The Nikki Kuhnhausen case

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the world himself, Mr glass is Malone. It's such an insult to my intellect when you reference me as a contrary. Well you know what, man, I'd like calling you that man, because I know how much it up six you. I understand. That's how I feel about it. That's how I feel. I got you, so I'll make sure to upset you. Yeah, it's either you know, Mr Contraining or the or the evil Genius. Why listen, I Contrarian disagrees with people just for the sake of it, and thens you. I don't.

I think you just be saying some dumb ships sometimes. No, well, that means that cent in the world is saying dumb because you disagree with every motherfucker body. They are all this and some dumb ship. Y'all said what y'll be feeling. Y'all don't care about fact. And my boy, Peter Boss, exchange your mand you change your man rong, still still hitting me with these slurs. It's all good. It's all good because because every girl out know, oh that's so

Key's so cute. He's nice and Gene Rose Mr Rodes, Mr Rose go to himself anyway, so you know the deal. Glasses called me yesterday or actually a few days ago and said, man, you need to watch this flick on Hulu. You know, I find my murder. So I started watching a little bit of it. But really didn't get into it. You know, it was a Sunday night or whatever, and I think I was looking at something else, something else

to cut my attention on. But once I did get into it, it it was very interesting young lady Nikki can Harson from the Pacific Northwest transgender person she was missing. Man.

I thought it was an interesting story from the fact that all of details that emerged ring that case, like she had got shot prior to that, and we had a couple of different theories on this meat personally, if you notice every time she got them too, um, every time she got into something, she was always in somebody's car, which is a sign of prostitution to me as always, God damnit, d you just this is why I disagree with you. Well, see we just have the conversation. Bro.

I wasn't there obviously, so I could be wrong, but you know she give them dudes any time a woman get to somebody cars process you, man, if you were the back of the you know, somebody's back my car or either or either those guys don't have very much respect for them. What I think. I think the circumstances were kind of pretty clearly indicated in that scenario, and I don't think it was prostitution and you so so let me let me say because because it's important, you're

asking the crimes as you refer to them. Um. So, it's a brand new television show on Hulu, How I Caught My Killer, and all of the episodes are based off of how the victim you know that was murdered did something that the police needed to use or the family needed to use to help them catch who killed the actual person. So it's really a dope idea How I Caught My Killer, because when you think about that, it just sounds crazy. But when you watch the show

is great. And I called Still about the first episode. I actually hit Pete too, and I was like, YO, check this show out. And the reason I thought it was super interesting still for you is because we had did the pod on those settlings about transphobia, and I was I don't the episode never came out. It's not like I don't want to put it out. But I think God doesn't want it to come out because I think he like you having your podcast and it can

be like a problem. So I think God is stopping it because I've had really great podcasts that I've had to put out since and like I suspect me and the one me and Pete gonna do next is gonna be crazy. So and I'm seeing no, no, I'm serious because it's like stuff keep happening. But long story short, I thought that was a dope episode because we talked about this and you just be having these crazy views like she got two guys cars, so she's a prostitute

like that. What I'm saying that, you know, it could be plausible. I'm not saying she was because again I wasn't there. I don't know. Or it could have been

a thing where she got a bunch of roommates. She was a young you know, she was a young girl, you know, so she was just looking up with these guys, right, And so when the revelation came out that she had been shot previously, that lets me know right there, when that that guy wasn't expecting what he received, it really as a crime, right because this actually is actually called

the nikki is it the cool housing or housing? But it ended up changing ended up changing the laws in Washington to where nap like at one time they had a like a rage, like like a rage that they allowed to It didn't absolve your crime, but it reduced

murder down to like manslaughter. If you were in a situation where you was it involved with a transgender and you got it got revealed to you at like, you know, you didn't know what was going on, and you realized this person was a trance and it allowed space for the conviction to not be as harsh because it is a lot I couldn't imagine, you know, and this this was a teenager. You're talking about a seventeen year old kid, you know what I mean. That's literally defining their sex.

And throughout the whole show they talked about that his name was Nicolas. He knew it as a child that he kinda felt he was a female, and as soon as the opportunity presented itself, Nicholas or and then became Nikki, as soon as the opportunity presented itself. And I was looking at a lot of the pictures and the shows, and yes, I'm staring at it because I know because

the show is telling me the story. But me, you and Pete disagree that there's a belief in some sense of supreme masculinity that you could tell who's a training and I'm like, that's not really hard work. The the females right as they start to kind of skew how they define beauty, you know, wearing all the makeup and the weeds. It's allowing the space to where men are

getting more confused every day. Think about it, Between all of the fucking all of the fucking uh bbl, all of the wese, all of the makeup, all this stuff, this is the perfect time for a trans person to pass. And it is interesting and and and that. Also they're the most talented in their field as far as hair, makeup and fashion design and stuff go. So do have a lot of celebrity women who do have uh people from the trans community that that manage their appearance in

that regard. So so it does bring more of a symmetry I think. Um, I disagree to a certain extent. I'm gonna tell you why. I've always been able to tell who a woman needs versus someone you know, pretending to be You know, I'm not saying no transactional transgender person. There are certain tell teal signs, like that you have a nick like you know, guys, we have this words Africa sticks out right, well, you know, they can shave it or they either wear those things. You know, they

wear those black things around they next. So you if you see um, somebody wearing one of these things, you might want to get a closer observation. And I think we lived in the area now where you have to ask questions, bro, because the thing is, you're right, gee, they do an immaculate job of turning some of these men into women. Some of them. You if you look at the picture, you cannot tell the difference. You remember, we had a photo that we had going around our

group see five years ago. It was like which group of the women and which group are the are the things? It's like, I feel bad for my kids now, I feel sorry for my son's dude if they if you're not careful, you could probably possibly get dude. I don't give as much credit to the trans community for it. I place blame on women, you know what I mean, Because it's not the trans women are moving closer to women,

it's the women are moving further from women. Yeah, and going into a and going into a trans community beauty standard. So but I thought it was interesting because it's one of those situations where people started referencing it like a hate crime, and I just thought that was crazy. I'm like, okay for it to be a hate crime, right, It's like, I guess that's where I want. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about, because is that really a hate crime?

Did that person? Did? Did Nicky die? Because you know he like if if Nikki was just a trans person walking down the street and the guy what was his name? Okay, so all these are dragging like David. If David was walking down the street and Nikki was walking down the street where he had just killed him, that's a hate crime. And if you if you kind of and this is this is where me and you disagree at a lot of times, and I tell you it's a weird place

to sit. If the whole goal of somebody that's truly a trans person in this position is they really believe they were born a woman, They really feel like they were a woman internally and they got blessed or they got cursed with the man's gender or the other way around. Right, So I genuinely think a lot of the goals, Now this could be not true, but I believe it to be true based off of what the mathematics is. They want to attrack heateral sexual males because that's what women attract.

I mean, you don't see, like I said, you rarely see two studs together. I think they think that's gay. You don't rarely see two trans people together, you know. I mean like if you look, if any of it comes across your timeline or in your space, it's usually always somebody who looks like a regular person with someone

from the trans community. You rarely. I I can't think of a time, well, I've seen to trans people, like is there a popular time where to trans people from the trans community were dating and they both had titties and dicks? Know what I'm saying, That ship don't really

work out. So I think that's what I was telling you is important that when you were saying it should be a law to for for people to have to disclose that, And I'm like, that kind of goes against what that person is trying to achieve or what they believe. And it's what about a person's right as a hetero sexual male to know what the hell is going on. I'm not dissingg and this is what ida you know, I'm olding on, Peter. So I gotta get this off or I'll miss rown forgetting spring chicken. You know I

missed roun forgetting So this is what I'm saying. Man, if I'm riding down the street and the police pulled me over and I handed my driver's license and it says that my name is Peter Boss, the reality ain't the Norman Steel and they find out, hey, you get a fake license. What are they gonna do. Are they just gonna let me go about my way? They're gonna they arrest me? Or right? But if you tell. But if you lie to Pete and tell Pete your name

is Glasses Malone, Pete can't do nothing to you. See, it's different when you're dealing with the law enforcement and when you're dealing with other civilians. But first gold On, Peter Ken and Theory do something. He can call and he can drop the dime and say, man, this dude is out here in first nating my homeboy Glasses something. But long as he doesn't as long as the police, as long as he doesn't do it to the police, it won't matter. But it's only if you manifest it.

It's only if you do it, yeah, like to a financial institution or government institution. And I feel like this. It's all about everyone. Just like just like these the train community has the right to exercise their lifestyle, their choices. I have the right just like you, Just like Peter is a hetero sexual male, A sleep with women, sleep with you know what I mean. So it's like you can sleep with eighties. No, man, it ain't No. No,

I'm just saying I'm not into that lifestyle. But what lifestyle is if okay, as a transphobic person, right, and then you're not a transphobic person, right, I don't according to your definition very much. No, you keep saying you not, so as if that's what it means. I don't want to sleep with a transaxl Yeah, that means I'm a transphobic. I'm a very transport No, nothing against them, that'shing against them?

Is everything against them, that's no, it's not. I don't have They don't mean I'm against them, see I think. But they want to be treated like a regular woman. That's so. It's it's not as like they don't want to be treating people. Don't not listen, you can't speak for every last person, but from the general consensus that I got is they don't you know, they don't. They don't even like the title trans women. They want to just be women. And and that's where it gets crafty.

So what I was asking about it is because that space in the in Washington has changed now right where now you can't do it like now if if if somebody reveals to you, like let's say, if you meet a lady and you know you're you're feeling hers. You think she cute, she all made up and she started giving you head right she felacio is happening in the car, and then you reaching her past, thinking you're about to get cracking, you feel me and you grab a handful

of dog. If you snap and do something to her. Now it just doesn't matter. There's like the passion part of it is gone, but trail part of it is gone. Well, it's almost like a crime of passion we used to be where it's so overwhelming. It's like the guy. It's like almost the same effect impact as the guy that walks in from a hard days work and find his best friend on top of his wife or whatever. Right, he may snap and you know whatever, he guys he

got his pistol on him. He may draw down and kill both of them, or he'd made he would into a bully, you know, a bloody pop or whatever. It's a crime of passion, bro. And my thing is this, right, we're in a really funny space in America, dude, to where everything you say can be misconstrued as you being a hateful person. But it's not actually the case. But you if you kick your personal space violated, you have

the right to feel the way you feel. Now, I don't condone nobody going out they're killing nobody, but but that's that's what I want to ask you about that that crime element. Do you feel like, what should that crime be? If like, let's say, you know, not you, but some guys out there, you know what I mean. And you know, he meet a girl, hook up with a lady, you know what I mean, and she giving him you know it's for la shows happening, and he reaching her pants and feel a handful of hot dog

and didn't know. Let's say, let's say, huh sure or whatever. So he feels a handful of it and he snaps and let's say he just like punches her and she died. Should that be secondary degree murder or should it be involuntary man like when does it become a space that you understand that people emostly like that's a lot of people's most prideful thing, you know, their their sexuality, you mean, their masculinity. So if you violate that for a lot of people like that is you know serious? So I'm

asking it's oh, I like that. I think it should be looked this rape dude. I think just like if just like if I impose my wheel on a young lady, if I pose my wheel and a woman, I'm going to jail because there's free you know what should maybe perhaps a statutory because you could be to a degree co you know, you know how they define statutory rape with a minor as in spite of the minor having been willing, they were coerced because they lacked the capacity

or whatever to make the judgment. If you are not afforded the appropriate information to make judgment on your terms, it could be perceived possibly in the statutory category. M that makes sense, But I think a person is very cognitive on whether they want to sleep with a transgendive person or some people just well, if this is being predicated on the idea that that that that it's sprung on you and you don't know until the moment. However, I like that. On the flip side, there's like, you know,

there's not a lot of like passion crimes are still crimes. There. There are not a lot of examples that I can think of. I can't think of any. And maybe it perhaps a de escalation of degree, but there's other than self defense, there's not really any because because it's it's very emasculating for some other man to come in and bust your wife down in your house. You can't do anything to either of them, you know, like that's highly emasculating.

They will charge you. They won't charge you with murder sometimes because of the heat of passion. They will say it's a voluntary manslade of you were to kill somebody in that situation. You know, the charges of killing somebody changes a lot of that. Yeah, a lot of that's determined by your district. At the d A thinks I'm not going to be able to fore go along with this. Yeah, And the other thing I was gonna say earlier is

so far as the hate crime element go. On the one hand, as you were saying, if Joe Blow sees a trans person walking to the sidewalk doesn't kill that person. If Joe Blow has a an experience or whatever we're finds himself unknowingly intimate with one then kills that person. That the dependent variable is still that person being trans because if you found himself intimate with a woman, wouldn't kill the woman. Find us intimate with the transperson kills

a trans person. So the variable that still them being the trans person. So you're likely there's a there's a there's a logical case for That's what I'm going. That's what I'm saying. That's my point out still, not to cut you off, big bro, but that's my point I was gonna say. That's why I think what Still is saying is super duper important. A lot of that defense right because not not defense, y'all are both right. It

should be charged as a crime. That is, that's a real conversation that should be happening to where if you if you do that to somebody and they have no idea, that should be considered rape. But because because that's because if somebody is raping you, if somebody's raping you, now that's where I'm gonna go. The pushback on that is going to be that you you are then afforded a

degree of self defense. The difference in this scenario is the like imposition of physical threat and force disparity, you know, and a conventional rape scenario, the female is on the short side of force, So a forceful defense act is a means of preventing it from happening or continuing to happen, whereas it doesn't require physical force to prevent that from happening or continuing to happen once you're made aware of it. At that point, it's purely just it's more revenge driven

than de escalatory or safety driven, see what I'm saying. Yeah, but even in California, if someone's raping you and you kill them, you still going to jail. Yes, true. Interestingly enough, in California, you no longer have to disclose to a person that you're HIV positive if you intend on giving them age sexually, whereas it used to be a murder too. So so you know, yeah, it's a big step forward for the AIDS community. So aid HIV and go sleep

with somebody and not be able accountable for that. Yes, country right now, man, But that's per state still, that's per state law. Man, that would be a world. That should be a law. I think. I don't think you're allowed to enter a home if you know you have COVID without telling him. Though, ye know. The reason I'm saying that still is I think you're on is something.

I think watching that whole show, That's the feel I got, Like even when I was watching it, where you know, they were talking about it and they were saying, I was like, damn, this is messed up. What happened to this little teenager? You know what I mean? It's seventeen year old motherfucking blah blah blah. And then they go into the guy shot and she didn't want to tell

who shot. I was like, Oh, this motherfucker catfishing people and motherfucker's is finding out and they're overreacting, you know what I mean. It's like you stole somebody's masculinity, and that's what it feels like. People are reacting. And you know, it was a part you talked about where her mom was saying, where Nikki's mom was saying, oh, well, um,

you know my daughter and your daughter. You know my daughter just to my daughter's trans No, It's like if somebody's intentionally deceiving you, m intentionally deceiving you, you know what I mean. That's where it starts to happen. And again they're taking something from you. Still that that we might need to really start sitting down and figuring out agenda. Like I'm not again, I'm not necessarily like that's like I might be transposed, but I'm not against the trans communities.

But I think that that should be a real thing, because you have to find some space to allow people to make choices, you know, as best as they can with as much information as they can. That's almost unbelievable that you can have HIV and it's not a charge that should actually be a real serious case to look at too well, I guess. And also HIV might not be the death sentence it once was. I think I don't think nobody still want to kicks HIV, even though

you can live a whole lot longer. It's my second choice, you know. I think it's a horrible disease, but my second choice, on a list of having it or not having it, I would choose not having it exactly. Well, you know what. The one thing I found interesting she is that Nikki was shot. She was shot five times once in the hand, and she didn't report the incident. She didn't you know, she didn't press charge, just didn't tell.

She said that guy, what good he is? Because I believe it was another situation of her doing something with somebody. And I think because you know, the Pacific Northwest is like the Southwest, everybody is walking around with a pistol. I don't know that with that. But no, but you know, not in urban counties, not in county. Let's talk. Let's stay in the premise of where the show was at. They were six. You're in Vancouver, Washington, which is the

which is adjacent. It's it's like it's like Camden to Philadelphia's right on the other side of the bridge. It's yeah, if you were in East Washington or eastern Oregon, totally different ball of wax than those parts of the state. So, you know, so she was shut and I believe her thing was well, I didn't disclose it to him, and we got up to a panic because he pushed her

right off the car and got on to me. The only pushback I have on on the situation from her conduct standpoint is just the fact that like I think in this case, given the behavioral pattern her honestly, being transits incidental, and that if you're a teenager, particularly like a like a minor type teenager, and you're meeting grown men off the internet late at night routinely, you're asking for it as a regular woman. Like I mean, there's

a girl I know that this day. Remember one time I met her out I thought she was a college student because she said she was a junior. She trans junior high school. She came back to my spot. I didn't mess with her because I was a little funny about it and she was being kind of caught, and then she admitted it in the morning after. We didn't

do anything step in separate rooms. But if I picked somebody up off the internet and found out the legal age consenting, Wassington, the six team, whatever, I'm just saying. I'm just saying in general speak, you know what I mean. But but I think what Steel is saying is really important at this point, like that, Okay, yes, we have created a space for women to be unaccountable. We created that space, and I blame me, and we did it,

and that's fine. That's the main reason why I believe the trans women are women because they apparently don't want to be accountable, and women don't want to be accountable, so therefore they don't want to be accountable. There are a woman that's a transitive property of basic algebra, which you know, what I was saying is rape is important even for that type of situation. That young girl tried to rape Peter pretty much. He limited the information she

told him. She knew that he would think, she would not think she tried to rape him, and if he would have went and participated, he would have got charged. And that's where I think it's important to where um because we are moving women into a space of equality, you know, not as individually, because I still don't hold women accountable, but they also have to treat me like

I'm I'm pretty much there to make sure they're okay. Plus, technology has afforded a lot more ability for people to falsify their presentation in a million ways, not only in this, in the transwab you can lie about your age, you can lie about your name, you can lie about anything

about yourself. And then, yeah, I think, especially in that case you've had through sexual identity changed, I think if you don't let someone know, I think you should be charged with fraid and you should go to jails, just like Peter. I'm gonna tell you what a slippery slope that els. Let's say that little girl feel dejected, because you know, there are some women that our attention oars. They just they love the attention of it. Right. Let's say she got a wild hair barass the next morning

and called her dad or called whoever. I stayed over this guy's house and bump when he made me. The police would have been up over there and your they would have been snatching you about your house and leading you off the handcuffs down the street, and you would have the jacket on you as being a rapist. And even though you mayn't touch the girl, as soon as it got out, it's like us as men, we're automatically

putting that like we're automatically just guilty. Your man, So you have your man said, whatever you do, you're guilty. How many times have we seen cases of women lying on dudes. I'm not Oh, listen, let me let me finished. Women going, you know, guys going to jail for years dude on some false stuff. Later on DNA if this comes up to dissolve them of these crimes. They've lost their life. They've lost fifteen, twenty years, sometimes thirty years

of their life already. They never get that back. But what I was saying before Internet went out, I think the loss of life is always tragic. I think that any violent acts against people, you know from the lg b QT or whatever one of these anachronisms, you know, whether it is man, I think. I think whatever they are man, I think that's the right for them to do what they want to do. And I don't think I have the right. You or anybody else got the right to go out there and put hands on them

for that. But if you're impeding on my space, you're raping me. If you're making me do something that's not my choice, I've been raped. So I should get the same justice. There's some another human being would the feet of the female agenda, I think I should get the same rights. I think we should have the same rights. It makes me think about that R. Kelly situation where you got girls that's magic with R Kelly, Like Ray does have to start going another way, Like rape is

not just simply defined as this forcible thing. It also can be this course thing. So I think that's one of those situations. And I think in that particular TV show when Nikki, you know, I'd imagine that's what's happening. And her family knows that's what's happening, you know what I mean, They know that, you know, Nikeolas was desperate to be treated like a woman, so they started conducting themselves as women. It was feeling that way since he was,

since she was, since she was a kid. They showed pictures. You can see the picture of was four years ago. He had long blonde here and the stick, the lipstick, and they said her, you know, her brother said that he would walk around the house and he uses a little kid, moms and everything, and you know, part of me made me think because her and her mom was so close, it made me think that she had three sons and maybe the mom I was dressing a little that the brothers and kills her the mon like, that's

not me. She you know, Nicholas is doing it himselves. She said, yeah, exactly. So I genuinely think there are people who are born in into that place to where that's just the wiring. I think I've all I went on record with saying this, um a snitch is worse than a pedophile, But the act of pedophilia is worse than the act of snitching. Does that make sense? You get what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying. Like a pedophile, it's worse than a snitch, but the act

of snitching. Excuse me, the act of pedophilia is worse than the act of snitching, because I think, like us, three men, right, none of us. I've never saw an attractive five year old you know, toddler, Never, Never in my life, just like, just like as a man, I've never seen another man that was sexually attractive. I've never seen a five year old toddler sexually attractive. I've never

seen a man sexually attractive. So if you see somebody like that and that person is sexually attractive, I genuinely think some people are just wired that way. Snitching is fucked up because you're just a piece of ship and you're choosing to be unaccountable for your own actions in a real form. So, uh, pedophilia, a pedophile, a snitch. A snitch is worse than a pedophile, But the act of pedophilia is worse than the act of snitching. That makes sense. I guess crazy, but you know it's a

pedophile is working off wired. You know, they wired, you know incorrectly, they're wired completely unique. None of us even think a five year old child is attractive, So we're not refusing some urges. How do you sexually find that attractive? Just like in that situation where you know, like we talked about it earlier, he was like, well, you'll both said, well they wanted to sleep with trans I'm like, I

doubt that's what's going on now. I know there are some situations where that's happening to some people, you know, are attracted to that specific lifestyle or whatever is going on there. But I don't think that's what's going on with most men. And I don't think most trans people goal is to be the best trans women. They actually want to compete into space of just women. Think about it. They winning Women of the Year. They're not winning trans

Women of the Year awards. They're not winning Mrs America, Mrs trans America. They're winning Mrs America contests. They are they are pretty much coming into that space as just women. So I would imagine they want to be treated And I'll say this as as far as that competition goes, trans women are crushing regular women there are on a far steeper growth curve if you're looking at the style chart.

And similarly, women who are transit identified as men are doing a terrible job at competing against us real men. So I don't know what that says. Yeah, exactly, you know, and let me um, I wanted to read something real quick, Um did I discovered and I sent it to you and glasses prior to start and show the day. Okay, A New Jersey trans prisoner who impregnated two inmates transferred

to men's facility. So they're taking this transgender individual out of you know, out of the women's prison and then moving to a men's facility because he's gotten two inmates prison. So that goes to your theory right there. So a transgender inmate has been transferred out the only women's prison

in New Jersey after impregnating two female inmates. Demi minor seven has been moved to the Vulnerable House and Union at the Garden State you correct, no facility, a prison for young adults ages eighteen and thirty courting the dance for rised a New Jersey Department of Correction spokesman the Riser firm. There are three trans women housing the Youth Facilities Vulnerable Housing unit, though the prisons general population houses

only men minors. Removal from the Agna Mahan Correctional Facility for women comes just a year after the state reached the settlement with the American Civil Liberties Young of New Jersey to house transgender inmates according to their gender identity instead of their sex assigned at birth. The facility currently

houses twenty seven transgender inmates. Spuraser said decisions related to an incarsprated prisons housing are made within the parameters of the settlement agreement, which requires consideration of gender identity and the health and safety of the individual. So miner who is serving a thirty year prison sittings for manslaughter, impregnated the fellow inmates earlier this year following consensual sex with relationships. So now are they considered lesbians because they had they are,

They're part of the trans ammunity, and Spurazer confirmed. He added that even consensual sex between inmates is prohibited in the state. Last year, two inmates and add to behind father lawsuit challenging the state policy and practice of housing some pre gendered confirmation surgery transgender women, adding that violates their constitutional rights. So you've got people that want to come in even before they get the surgery, like right

when they're pre right. In a letter from Minor, as a woman who was transgender, I truly fear what lies ahead from me. It's clear that staff have looked for some kind of security reason to kicking me out of the only female correctional facility. Probably that you're they're getting everybody pregnant, Mina wrote in the post, which was published Friday. They have thrown me to the wolves and expect for

me to just give up. I am baffled and disgusted by the this use of power, and I can only ask that the commissioner and government's office please send me back. I don't deserve to be treated like this. So he want to have his kick and either two he want to be in and get all the pussy he can under the guys, and him being a woman, so if he's like a woman, so he's as gender. I don't give those are yeah, those are separate, separate points entirely.

You can you can be transgender. Your your gender identification, your sexual preference are not necessarily interestingly tied. My issue with this you can take a topic to a woman only the sleep with women. That guy, I don't understand it. Man. It's it's about how you feel in yourself, not about

how you feel sexually. It's a different, different thing. Yeah, Like the the thing that I don't like about that is that to a degree, the pian systems is has a lot of challenges and and even it's way far behind or not, it's it's there are a lot of challenges in that arena. You know, there's a lot of

incentives to make your time easier. So what you have with that is you could you left the door open, which damages the trans movements integrity where you created a carrot, so to speak for or people to fake it to get easier time served, like like like on Elizabeth Warren faking being Indian to get a promotion at Harvard. You know, it damages civil rights in some capacity that you have. Or Rachel dolas out you know, you're you're you're faking minority status for a payout benefit. But but I don't

even know if they're faking minority. I'm not saying she is, but but there are scenarios where it's pretty obvious. I've seen that's pretty obvious. Let's think on this transgender thing. Is this right? The other stuff is a whole another kind of Warrens right. See, this is my thing right here, and I am very confused right now, man, Like now they're seeing basically that pre up people that you know haven't had this surgery, that are really meant. So what's to stop me from if I go out and kill

somebody and I want to do? Easy time for me just putting on the drist and going to court and saying, well, I need to go to the in this prison, Well that one guy just did that, Yeah, to stop that. Now I'm now I'm laid up in there for the prison full of women. I'm bigger, I'm stronger than everybody. Because just because these people turn, just because these people elect to change their sex with identity, don't mean the

fact that they don't lose their strength. I thought you would appreciate this based office about how you feel, Based on how you feel, yeah, because you like seeing like we always talk, you always have more like a respect for the emotional standpoint. You think I'm a contrarian because I'm like a ax and those guys, and you like a feeling. This do a feeling. This is very much

a physical thing because men are stronger than women. So you want to house a bunch of dudes and dresses because they have want a dresses that I want to say, see, the trans part of you has nothing to do with your physical being. It's it's all inside this emotion, how you feel, it's internal. So he so so he was a man, so when he was born, he feels like, I want to sleep with women who you attracted to.

Don't determine your gender. Yeah, that's just they'll be to suggest that people's gender identification is based off of a off of their end game goals for sexual intercourse. That's not and that's not quite Obviously was get some, but was get some kids. I don't know if that was the gang goally. He don't got two women pregnant in prison. He might have also not gotten the ship beaten out

of fifteen times like otherwise would have happened. Sure, if you put him into regular present with me and getting raped and beat up and getting beat up and then getting raped because he didn't have to rape nobody, that means somebody got him. He probably was in there getting paid for. I mean, he got a dick in a woman's prison, just like it's pussy in the water. Imagine the transgender man inside of a man's presence, like get that pussy. He would be of cigarettes. You know what

many suits is arian entrance fifteen box? Like at that show last night. Even if me looking at that show last and I was confused, what was the little fat dude that they had the haircut? Was that a man a woman that was a gentleman by choice? I was a transgender man. So if I go out somewhere, let's say I'm in a restaurant and one of them stood, say you're looking at my girl and swings on me and hit me in my chin. No, he's a man, he wants to be treated like a man, and I

put on his ass. Out man, whoop his ass. I'm going to jail for whooping on a woman, even though he started. Give me first. A stud is not a transgender man. It would have to be if a transgender mandan yes to a transgender man. If I wo with transgender man's ass, I'm going to exelp for beating a woman. That's what they say. That would be interesting that would come probably down to the to the victim if they

didn't want to. It just it just depends. You can't go to jail for who from a woman on the street? What is it? What's the crime except of salt? The only thing you could be charging. You didn't get charged with a soft of beating up a man just like a woman. Woman is different. It's a different charge. What I'm saying. If you just beat up a woman on the street, it's just a salt. So the truth is, if you beat up a trans man or a trans woman, it's not going to be perceived based off of the

It's not gonna be at objective or subjective. It would be a It would be a hate crime because they are trans, not like if you kick out manifesting, what direction if you kick that as because they were no Let me ask you this. With this David guy, he wounded up getting twenty years. The family thought that sentence was way too only got I think he's got more time than that because you think it's fair. Well, you know the thing, you see, My only thing with that

guy was he lied. You gotta lie. Well I would have told the truth from the beginning. I gotta turn to win and turn myself in the I don't even want to know about this man. They got head from a trance. I don't want nobody to know that if that accident, dude wasn't and you know the interesting things she couldn't have the priminal record. His family was willing to do. They owned the why I got nineteen you know, nineteen years man, that's you know, Peter, you know, it's funny.

You know we say something in a long time. That's what big you think. It's a long time. That's what's such a such a like illogical manifestation of the thought process. Like let's say, hypothetically, I could I assume most of this public reception and reputation driven. You know, if you knew for sure that that's not what you thought was gonna be, and you made a mistake and whatever else, and no one was ever gonna know about it in a hundred years, you probably are gonna act that way.

It's probably the fact that you don't want everybody you know knowing that, which isn't interesting because it's like it appears to what kind of person Nikki was. Nikki could Nikki didn't say, you know, I watched I watched five episodes of that show, and you know, every victim they paid them out like they're just this sweet person. That's just bullshit. Some some of these motherfucker's just crazy, And Nikki could be one of the motherfucker's that didn't mind.

It's a lot of like me and still talk about this. Now, that's not a lot. But there are certain people who want to change people, yeah, and they want to be treated like on I I still do not believe that that man knew that Nikki was a trance. I genuinely believe that that's why you react that way. Now, to see if they had a relationship where Nikki was like I want us to be in a relationship, they went

through her phone and he was friends. She's like you need to be what if in the moment, Nicky responds poorly and lobs a soft blackmail threat to out him out there once you blackmail? Ain't know this thing is soft? Sure? Sure, I miss so, Like, if you don't let me stuck your digginggain, I'm gonna tell everybody because because because the reality was I'm just saying they said he did reach in the pants and grabb sausage. I'm I'm just asking

as as far as a rationale standpoint goes. You know, if if that was the case, and you're concerned now about reputational risk, the reputational risk being that you are alienated, I guess it worst you are alienated from your friends and family as realts. Okay, is it just me? But can you not tell that this is a man? Listen, Peter, Peter, do you think this if you saw this individual right here, but you think that was a woman, I would say the one to the individual things to the left is

a female. Right here, he looks like a guy that's got to makeup on. And Okay, so what if the left one to the left is a trans because the one to the left is a trans we'll see if the one this girl right here is a train. Yeah, look and you just got it wrong. That's a woman right there. That's trans. You're making up stuff. Look now you look and look how confused you look. Look at you read the title because you don't want to Fox. It's not that's that woman. That was a young lady

dog that's but that's not the man. This is the man. I could tell this dude, Toronto Burke Aerial Fox sounds like a made up name. Exactly. That sounds like a trans pull up Toronto Burke. Anything with Fox in it is made up. No one ever has the last name Fox, even Rick Fox made up as last name. And this might be a dude right here, because look at the nick right here, Hold on, look at the nickline. Look right here. This is this is this is the giveaway

right there, giveaway, the giveaway. That's not how that work. You got super old school? You can tell you school proud man. I don't give a damn I'm tired of damn tiptoeing around this bullshit dog. Let's go. You grew up. Let's say you. You can tell you grew up in the seventies, because all your ship is old school thought. What what's the what's the other individual's name? Neck? Toronto Burke? How you spilling first name? Toronto t A r U

r K Burke. Who's that? Who's trying to burk? I'm just gonna show him something and then bring her up on the screen. That's that's that's Nike right there. That's wanted man. That's not man. This that's a woman. No, no, no, no, no, that's that's Buster. Douglas. Now there's say that. You can't say that as a white person. You can't say that, man, this is a damn that's Toronto Burke. That's not no man. That's a woman. But she's ugly as woman. But you

but see that's my point. You cannot say that, Like, it's not about if you don't find somebody visually pleasing. That's what I'm saying. It's getting to a space now where pleasing. It don't matter how how visually pleasing to you. What one Maybe it's like the thing you know, don't nobody want the six played with all these little sex games. People are here playing with people dogs. It ain't cool. It's not cool. I'm not saying that. It's just don't know.

I don't know what Toronto Burke. But she ugly as to Rondo Berger is the reason she's she's the uh, she's pretty much the leader of the me Too movie. So you know you just got a cook call just man, we're finished. So she might be able to jay with my ass if she wasn't what she could do high doesn't one of them crazy and knocked out Mike Tyson and Tokyo you don'nderstand k her a k arrest one as. Yeah, what did she gon do? She could hid this one

crazy she got in her face and imprisonments. Stop doing that. That's not even cool, right, You just fucked up. You really think that grew up in the seventies. Man, that was a little baby in the seventies. It was just broad dog. You just rang. You were never a little baby. You were six four the third grade, and I love everybody were born at you. Just man, But she's not my taste. It might be a motherfucker think beautiful, not it ain't me ugly, motherfucker dog the heat off of me.

We can't go no where, you know, it was our contract. We got a thing good heels. Need to bring his hands back in here. How he's gone. I can't talk to him anymore. Yeah, but man, you know the thing he was, bro it's not my public used to run a burke, But she's not my cup of teacher. May not think I'm no prized my dam himself, but she told her back though. I would just say that to anybody who's like might be the type to get caught up in a situation where you end up doing something

like this guy who got convicted on this crime. If you're mad, your life is going to be irrepartably damaged by that having happened, or by you haven't been involving that, either willingly, knowingly, unknowingly or unwillingly. Your life is gonna be damaged considerably more by years and years and years in prison, like for real. It's an odd constable to the truth, man, And I don't really believe. Man, I'm no God, That's the road I would probably take due

firsts me going in hip, was you killed somebody? You going exail? If you beat the ship on somebody and get an escalation, you're gonna get god damn near murder years about five years. I am secured enough of first of all, I'm glad, thank god, I'm happily married though, but I am secured enough of my sexuality though. Where for motherfucker played with me like that, I would I would go to court and I would make a motherfucking

stand and say that this motherfucker raped me. Let me ask you a question hypothetically, and this is ultra hypothetical, obviously, it's based on the question if you got caught up and messed around and had some like undercover boyfriend for like the summer and it got found out about it. Just just just just just under have a boyfriends doing something willingly. Yeah, just just just just let me finish.

If you hypothetically had that going on and you really didn't want anybody to find out about it, and let's say hypothetically that it just all blows up. The guy just shows up right at the front door and just airs you out all over the internet and television and everywhere else. Taken because I was sneaking around doing something

like that. Cut. Yeah, all I'm going to ask is how long is the damage of that going to last in your life versus how long versus fifteen years that that will die down in six months to a year, whereas the trouble you get in for doing something to prevent it from happening will outlast that exponentially. Yeah. See, Now, I think all those guys Peter that do things and they're feeling some little secret finish that they may have within them, and they are fulfiling their fantasy. They don't

get caught. They damned should don't need to be putting their hands on nobody. They need to just live with it, because it's a choice. They made. Now the guy that that had no clue on the situation he was stepping in. I truly believe that individuals should be charged with rape and they should go to jail just like a man would. Because you're getting with somebody under the under a false pretense.

You're not telling somebody the whole facts, you know what I mean, that's almost you know, just like that you said they um, they resended the law about someone with whose HIV positive sleeping with somebody that should be murdered. Dude, that should be attempted murder. You should go to jail. Yeah, all cases, I think you should go to jail, man, because I think I think right now, man, we're really

in a dangerous time. Man, and where really anything that you say, even if you have an opinion like me, I just said the woman was ugly, they can come back and st say I've committed hate crime. I don't have nothing against one of my and I don't want to mean the sound cliche, but I have a friend in right now. It's one of my best friends, and I love her unconditionally. Dog. She's a lesbian. One of my best friends, that lesbian female dog. I don't care

about people's sex with preference. I just think, um, when you get the imposement your will on people, whether that's a man imposing this wheel or a woman or transgender person imposed their will under some kind of false pretense on another individual, I think it's the same ship. Though. I think you need to be punishment for that, and I don't think that punishment is necessarily putting your hands on the motherfucker. We gotta start doing stuff the right way, bro,

We gotta start really doing stuff the right way. And somebody going to police say, hey, this individual right here, this is the story. She came to me and had me under the assumption that I was messing with a woman, and really it was a transcendent person. It could ruin my reputation, It can ruin my life. You know. That can really funk somebody up. Bro. Yeah, no, it absolutely could.

And at the same time, it's not a situation of war to me an immediate violent response, because you can stop a situation from going any further as a grown man just by stopping and leaving. You know, you're free to do that. So yeah, it's yeah, yeah, it's wrong for the perpetrator, but it's it's not the same cup of tea is like a male female rape scenario where the woman might need to shoot the guy to get him stopped. That's the thing, you know, you make decisions.

It's just like, um, it's the same discussion we had, man, where somebody was asking me, because I think we all got those key words like if a person invited me to they dick, if they called me a bit, if they called me out my name, we go at the squad. But if I'm with my wife and I'm with my children around, I don't know how bad things can get.

I'm gonna walk away from it because at the end of the day, who gives a fun as long as he can put his hands on you, feel what I mean, as long as you don't put your hands on me, it's like it's whatever, because we can got like we gotta get out of the silly it. We gotta get out the silly ship right now. And I think that we're in a real bad place in America right now, because it's almost like, man, it's getting to the point to where I think eventually they're just gonna be the

seeing everything is a crime. It's getting dead to that point, and even with some of the stuff. And I don't get me wrong, the policeman have done some hainous acts, man, They've committed some hainous acts against the black community. No one is the shuting that we all see that everything. But I've seen these times, man, where a brother get

pulled over and he's acting the food. The police are being cool, the brothers compative right off rip not letting his windows down, not not turning this car off, just making the policeman. Hell, are uncomfortable because if I'm a policeman, dude, it's already stressful enough. You don't know if a motherfucker's on his third strike and not. You don't know if this dude got a big as hammer waiting on his lap when you come over there to give him a ticket.

You don't know what's seituation you're walking into. So that makes a person even more nervous. You think about the cops of human being just like you know, there's a normal person like we are. So you're in this situation now to where you don't you're dealing with this dude and you don't know what he's willing to do to get We're walking up to the unknown like they can see you walk up to the car, you can't really

see what's in the car. Tell you you have no clue If this dude ain't got a big ask four or five on this lapt wing to send your ass to the next to mintion, you just don't know. There's a lot of problems. So it's just a lot of ship going on. But I appreciate. I think a big issue in the country is sentencing for stupid ship is forever.

Like I honestly am. I would be more comfortable getting into a fight somewhere with a dude that I know is a for real just like for real gang banger who's probably gonna beat my ass and just haking that, then going to like the bar around the corner on the beach, on the border walking for louddon and then beating the dog ship out of like nerdy white guy whatever. Because I would rather deal with getting my ass beat than beat the shift out of somebody and catch thirty

six months for it, you know what I'm saying. Like I'm more concerned with winning than losing. Yeah, for real. So man, the glasses came back in the room. Now he ran away from me because the glasses are scared of that to runt a burke lady, You ain't scared of I'm terrified, you know, because I didn't say nothing more. I didn't say nothing wrong. Man, I don't have to find her attractive. I don't have to find her attractive. Man. Yeah, that's true. You did drop some bars though that We're

pretty decent. Well, man, we will go ahead and shift this down. Man. We appreciate you guys checking in with us again. Make sure you like leave for comment rate the show. Tell me to kiss your ass whatever it is you go do. Um and glasses? Were you scared? Man? What? Why is you running because you're talking about that sister like that? Man? I mean you don't have nothing to do with her. I love was that that burke lady had had cut her hair? Yeah, I'm sorry, that's that's

it's glasses after all. Actually she looked like, kay, boy, I'm not working with y'all. Y'all got going on. I don't want no parts not being so scary. Man. We didn't say nothing. That's the problem with America. Man. We even't see nothing you gotta do. I'm a crip and I've literally been opening up to say I'm tracking folk. It's not about fear. I just don't want no smoke with that lady because that lady ended our Kelly career. She I'm not a killy. You haven't done enohing room.

You just said she was a man. I just mean I said she was little. Know you said she was a man first, then you went on to say how ugly she was. You can re want to hear what I see it, I see it. I don't know where she was. We were talking about transgender people and you asked me to go there. At the point I was making was it's like, it's hard to just say what someone looks like. Like. Yes, in theory, we would like to believe if we saw a trans woman, we would

all be able to identify. The reality is now that women are literally following the beauty standards of trans community, of the trans community, it's harder to tell. And I'm saying I could show you women right that will you will question are they women? And I can show you some trans women that you might confused as women. Well.

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