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is going on. And also, James, your shirts are finally done, that completed, and and what's the easiest way to contact or or get the shirts to be honest, The patreon on bomb for Versus the easier easiest way, but you can check the link as well on the Patreon for Against the Chronicles. It's active, but go to bond first and go to the patreon and and pick up the shirt.

Man I'm telling you it's a it's a good quality T shirt and you'll be helping a couple of families out and um, let's make it happen to support And we actually talked about that shirt in detail. I believe that was episode four or five. And I'll also put a link in my Instagram to the bomb First Patreon. I will make sure that's active and current. So this is episode number sixteen. And if you're new to the podcast, please go back and start with episode one. Because all

our episodes are interrelated. You won't start hearing me till episode three. And if you're listening to this episode of The Gangster Chronicles on iTunes, please leave us a rating and a review so that we can continue bringing you this amazing content. Give us a rating from one to five five if you love the show and you want us to continue doing it. And for those who do not have iTunes were also available on Google Play, Spotify, and radio dot Com. All right, um, usually I do

a fact check from the previous episode. Last week we had Lad from lad TV on the show, so we don't really have too much of a fact check. I didn't really go over the things that were stated in the interview. But let's, uh, let's briefly talk about that show from last week. Guys, what do you want to talk about? How? I mean, how bad you treated our guests? Come on, now, I thought I treated his lad Um. I mean I think I could have went in harder. You could have you did not think? I mean, yeah,

he did it with a smile. I mean with the questions that black acts. He also said it itself and that he there's only two things. Don't ask me. You asked me anything else? And and we we stuck by that. But I knew when you was ready to go in. I knew it, and and you went in. You asked some tough questions. You asked some questions. And I've been thinking about the subject that you that offended you so much.

And I know what it is is the the payment are the payment for an interview, and a lot of people taking payments now big you know ABC paying people to uh tough, big interviews on their show. Um, you know R Kelly, you know. I don't know if he got paid by Gail, But situations like that show the platforms like that are paying people the uh what you're not supposed to I don't care if ABC is doing it or YouTube channels doing it. But you haven't heard

of people getting paid for interview have I've heard? I heard the rumor that Dr Phil paid two racks to Octo Mom to do an interview. Remember Octo Mom a couple of years ago. Actually those kids are doing quite well. Yeah. But but if you asked off to Phil if he paid Octo Mom the money, He's gonna say absolutely not, because he understands that that violates one of the rules of journalism. You are not supposed to pay your interview subjects. Some people would, They would negotiations on some of the

big platforms for getting paid. Maybe the game is changing, but you know a lot of people still stick to those journalistic principles. And here here's the problem with paying somebody. Once you pay one person and that gets out, then you gotta start paying every single guest on the show, and you don't want that cat to get out the bag. Secondly, when we have people come to the mic do interviews and start telling ridiculous stories already without even being paid.

Once you put money in someone's pocket, now your story is tainted. Your story is now partially influenced by the money. That I gave you as opposed to you just came to do a sincere interview. People just gonna start line, I got a story and just to get paid, exactly. And we already have that problem with people lying without getting so I think if he needs a perfect example, you know, do you trust everything this guy is saying in the interview? Do you think that he's being influenced

by whatever? You know? I think, uh, I think people like to glorify themselves and make themselves seem bigger than what they were. Well, I'm a defended dude. I don't think he lying about everything, eating certain situations, certain incidents, But I mean, you just can't lie about everything. He has the truth to what he's saying. But the important ship you can tell that he's not being one hunter

with it and he holding back. So do you pay somebody like that knowing that they're gonna hold back because they can't speak on certain ship. You know what I'm saying. I think that's your fault. Well, I don't think any of the person that pays you to do an interview knowing that he's gonna hold back because he can't save you too much. He ain't got to the he didn't. He had part nine right now, part nine of this episode, and he haven't even got to the questions that he

wanted to get to yet. So he's warming him up. He's making him feel comfortable right now, he's starting to smile. When he first came, he was an angry black man. Now you know you have time to break up easy, he smiles. Man, I've seen what's wrong with his jaw. And they ain't got no tea. And here's the third problem with paying. When you have big platforms that could afford to pay and don't mind paying once in a while, then it prevents the smaller platforms that are just as relevant,

that are just as important from getting those same interviews. Also, well, that don't mean just step you gotta step your game up because I'm never gonna pay anyone. If you ever see KPD on my platform, I did not pay him a dime. If you see it, yeah that's why. If yeah, you know I was. I've been talking to him and you know, I'm trying to ye he's close. I'm letting them know. Look, I'm a small guy, a small platform.

I don't have it like that, he said. He told me this morning I was about the funk with you. You're not not on find uh find some interviews where you out there bootlegging my book. I didn't do it. Yeah, that's my that's my statement. And I did, of course, that's right. I didn't, that's right. So um yeah, that was one of my issues. Another issue I have with Ladd is I think a lot of his interviews and

questions are really based off of racial stereotypes. Not every gang member is a shooter, not every gang member is a drug dealer. Um, he asked kep D. So how old were you when you started going on missions? Um? Uh? Talk about the work you put in for the hood. Well that's the way he word ship instead of how old were you when you initiated when you actually started hanging with gangs that have it? And that ship is like what's from a Polish point of view, you would

be like, how long you've been gaming? Banging? Should as you? I mean, my all I was just saying is that he that's what he brings his platform on. He wanted to hear about it, and that's what his kids like. And and y'all gotta remember, y'all think you're talking to people that we socialize with no. But let me ask you all this what you're talking to an audience of sixteen, probably twenty seven year old old They got more older people really listening. And comes from a background of white folks.

Like I said in his interview when we when when we interviewed him, it's not up to him to answer the questions. He can ask it and you can actually tell him to rebird reword what he's saying. It's it's your fault to answer that. He asked questions and a lot of I mean, I think we all got out right to say what we want to shay, how we share it. It's it's not I don't think it's just from man. I think it's three point three million people on there probably a hundred thousands of other people that

listens to him. Stuff. Are that's that's subscribed to his channel is from the l A county or an urban area. Most of those people are from other countries. But most of those people from areas that what our culture and what we're doing. That has nothing to do with it. Okay, His question was was was the way black asked questions? And I'm just telling you who why he asked the question that way. I'm answering why he asked the question

that way, and because he's preaching to his squad. But he also admitted that he knows he's a polarizing figure. He said that in the previous interview. He says, I know him polarizing, and he's embraced that, and he has no problems. That's what I mean. It's more, you want to go to a strip club of the girl was straight or got a whole set of panties on. I want to see the whole set of panties, right, Okay, I like him if he noticed he brought his he came with a security guard, and I didn't like that.

And he knows he's a polarizing figures because some of the things he asked. His style rub people away, that it makes him nervous going on in public without a security. I mean, he knew he was coming here, and and I think I got a good report with him, Miss Wellers read and I didn't understand why he came with what's going to be here? Yeah he doesn't know. You don't know. He ran in up to a lot of people.

Now you gotta understand, you gotta understand what this man have been through and and and because you don't know, because you don't study it like that. But this man have been assaulted. You know, I've been beat up at a studio. You know, all of this thing happened. I don't mind that he brought his security guard, but he just lets you know he understands that he's not completely like you know, I don't feel like I will need a security guard to go places based on I've never

had a security guard go to him. When I went to him, you didn't need it. You had a security guard with you, you had. I took my guard. Fourteen friends. Well it's only it's only ten friends. Oh well, we got illegal clips. If you got your legal, it's ten friends. We got illegal clip. Well, no, they're not illegal. If their grandfather then from back in the day, whatever, But we're gonna go to jail. It's a felony. If either one of them got a gun anyway, that don't matter.

Not you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm a fellon now. Didn't carry and I took my ship. Yeah he can't never legal like me, but rather be well judged by twelve No anyway, but I got mixed. I do not carry any guns anymore. I am because you're not. You're not breaking the law exactly. Um, I was gonna say. I got mixed reactions from the lad interview. I had people tell me I'm glad you kept him accountable. Great interview. But then I had people say, you you sound salty,

you know, So I got both extremes. The bottom line was he wasn't mad at you. He he had found respect for you and your interview tactics, and he he coming to me that. So I have no problem with anything that Alex uh asked me any questions that he asked me or hardy came at me. I sent him a text, uh kind of um apologizing to him on the behalf against the Chronicles, and he was like dumbfound it, Like what was the problem. I'm surprised that I learned

that this morning. I'm surprised that, uh, you wished an apology because of the number one I sent the tax Well I didn't issie the apology. Uh. The executive producer of Grains the Chronicles is the one, did it? Okay? Well, Hey, I stand by the way I interviewed him. If I was if I ever could interview him again, it'll be harder than that. I think you know that, and I think that's the hardest interview Vlad has ever had of him period, because he's done only so few, you know.

And I only think, like I said, he didn't he he didn't find it, he didn't have a problem with it. So that's all that counts. Yeah, that's all that counts, all right, Any any any other thoughts on the Lad interview before we move on, Lad, appreciate you. I noticed today is uh uh the seventeen, and you promised to have some stuff pinned on the um or mob James uh uh on his um what is it called, on

his shows or his uh his interviews? Well tagging uh the gates the chronicle uh um to put some links links on it under your interview and under James interview. And they haven't been done yet. Okay. Well, if I didn't know that, I would have I would have told him that this morning. This morning, Well, I watched Lad, and I think a lot of interviews are entertaining. I'm not a hater of Lad. I think the Lad has an incredible platform, and I just have some issues with

a few things that he does. And I'm not gonna shy away from that, and you shouldn't, because I mean, everybody has their own opinion. You know. I text everybody the other day basically saying that we all got our own opinion. I say what I feeled, and we got to respect each other's opinion. Regardless that we walk out of here. We can speak on it or whatever. But while we doing this show, you know, some people might

not like what you say. Yeah, I was. Was was laughing like and and I was ready when you stood up in and you was on your toes and you was you when you started writing your stuff down, I saw black just look down and just like, oh he writing this ship down. He I mean it was a good interview. Well, I started with a blank page. I didn't have any notes prepared for him. I watched any research, But yeah, I had a bunch of ready. You were ready for him. You came ready, like I'm gonna get this.

Dude tripped up to say he paid for interviews. You had texas from other people that you didn't even bring up. I didn't bring that up because I felt those texts were private. Yeah, you know, and I didn't You were ready. I was, I was ready, but I didn't have like look the way I prepare sheet, I didn't have nothing like the black questions. Ready you did, good man? Well, I appreciate that you made it through it. Um, you

voiced your opinion. Every question you asked was was could have came off anyway to other people because they boshed their opinion on different ship. You asked a tough question too, Yeah, yeah, do you hate sugar or you do you have this animosity against you? You know because every interview at hearing he said he don't want to be around him, he can't get near him, you know, and this and that and let me know, jeal us, do you do you hate shigg And he explained it so and I was

good with his answer. You know what I'm saying. I'm surprised he said he wouldn't want to do an interview with him, like over the phone interview if he had the opportunity, because he seems to love this topic. Why not interview the guy at the top. She would come off to people, and some people are afraid of ship over the phone. You're talking about doing it over the problem. I mean, that's the only way unless you wait twenty years. He's just going, Yeah, that's true. I don't know what

you can get in there. He just don't want to deal with ship just so they don't like their he you don't, you know, I got some point Sugar's gonna open up and start talking more. I think, did you say that on bomb first the other day? I wouldn't try to go speak to him for another three or four years until he gets settled, because he's still on the bullshit. But I really be in about three or four years some maturity, he's gonna get it. He's gonna be a little older and he's just gonna be ready

to tell the truth. So you don't wait till he's sixty. That's about when the nigga probably grow up in my mind. All right, Thanks Glad, appreciate you for coming through. Um. I finally got a chance to read that Eric Well, I don't know what's called not the Eric the Eric Holder grand Jury transcript, I guess, And I got a better sense of the events, the steps of what happened with the girl who they're calling witness one. She's not even identified in this transcript at all. She's Witnessed one.

And after I read it, I really didn't have any problems with what she did and how she conducted himself and and um, all her actions. She actually turned herself in after the second day, after she found out. That's that's surprising coming from you, because one thing she said was that he was talking about it. He was gonna shoot Eric. He stopped in eight Now you know he

finished shoot. You tell him you ain't gonna do a drive by, but he gets in the car, or walks over there and then do it and then get in the car. I mean, if you didn't want to be a part of that, you could have drove off when he started shooting. Right. Well, I'm not so sure it happened like that. I think. No, I'm going about what she said. Yeah, she she got into the car after she took a selfie. Did you know she took a selfie with Nipsey. I try to say all that you

sing in the background, mocking me. You would have heard all of that. She took a selfie, she got into the car, He comes out of Master Burger, asked for two dollars. He didn't. You didn't have the money, um. After she after he interacted with nip goes to get his food from Aster Burger. Have a last good meal because I'm about to go. Then he pulls the strap out and that's the first time she sees the trap. But my point to all of that was he got into the car with two guns. Unlessen, you one of

those questions. Yes, the first time she sees the gun is when he slides it's saying that's what she's saying. Yeah, unlessen, he didn't get the mother up from Master Burgers. He got into the car with a pair of pants on, a band and his neck and no shirt on. And she didn't see two guns in this person. Well, I don't know if he had a backpack or a bag that's that that he has. Yeah, but it could have been in the car in a backpack that he left. That's something that I don't know where the when when

she picked him up. Okay, this is what she said. That's what I said. She's full of ship lying and and and a good defense pony going. So you mean to tell me you got in my car, got into the car, You picked this guy up, and he got into your car and you didn't notice he had two guns on him. Well, if they were concealed in something on, yeah, but you don't know if he had a bag. One thing he had in his hand was a red shirt and he didn't have a shirt on. He didn't have

a shirt on. He had a band data around his neck that he put her on his neck. He could have just had it tucked in the back of his pants and got in the car and sat down. You know, I'm just going by what she said the first time she sees. Also, he got no shirt on, and she didn't recognize no game tattoos on him. She said she recognized tattoos, but she didn't notice that none one game tats. I mean, I don't think looking at Eric Holder's tattoos, I would be able to recognize which ones are ganging

lest something close, because he is fully tatted. He's got tatted all the way going up his neck coming down. It's a little difficult when you're when you got that many tattoos. This, this is my whole thing right here. Here, you got a female that was there. Here, you got another person that they give immunity to to solve a case. It don't make no sense. It don't make no sense. She should be guilty, just like what's wrong with giving her immunity they gave they gave her immunity, and they

also gave carry Layton cousin carry immunity. Well, I was later after he was trying to violate this probation for life. And you know, I'm gonna tell you the reason why they give them immunity one is so you can feel comfortable with saying whatever you want. But also they don't want anyone to sit there and plead the fifth. Once you plead, you have a right to plead the fifth. But if you're giving immunity, there is no more pleading

the fifth. You don't have to. You can't lead the fifth when you have a guilty Is she as guilty as Eric? No, she didn't. If she drove off with him, she came with him and left with him there and then got over there he they both with the loan beat. What is guilty of first degree? Wait a minute second? Agree at least after don't matter if both like. But after she did the crime, she took him. She took him to one house, then she took him to a hotel room. I think she went to the motherhouse that night.

She didn't want to take him to her. You're assuming that she knows that he just shot Nip. She's in an alley without any line of sight to where Nippy Nips is at the gun fire. After she after she went to call him, before she even took him to the hotel room, she handed all over the planks. And I get what alexaid, because she's saying that she learned about it on eleven o'clock news. Correct, she learned the police were searching for her car. The next day, the

driver met with the detectives. That's why she touched herself in because she knew they had her car. Uh. While being interviewed, she called the suspect and request the request made by the detectives. Fully cooperated with the She fully cooperated with the police after this day two after she knows she's there looking for she's wonted. But what I'm saying, James, when when he when when she was in the alley, she couldn't see what was going on. Yeah, she probably

heard shots. But guess what he could have said they just bust because you think he got in the car all calm and collector, Oh baby, let's go drive off. I'm sure she jumped in that car and said drive off, get out of here, let's go all the way home. The nigga, worry scared, I got a question, might even got stopped at the at the cousin's house again. Hurl, because hurl, you think he never admitted to her in the car. Yeah, he never says. I just dumped on him.

I just aired him out. He didn't say anything. She jumped in the car. Let's get out of here, James. If it was a sixty driving the car, just replace her one of his homeboards. Yeah, you think he'd be in jail with him right now. He probably would be, but unfairly unfairly, You don't y'all don't get it. Y'all don't get the point. They have nothing to make this case without her. You can't just make a case by

video alone. And they have they need her because cousin not cousin, because Perry Perry later and the other and Carrie's a nephew or not cooperating or at least wasn't cooperating at that time, and so we don't know what they say now. But without them, they had no case. They speculation now unless he wouldn't there start talking. But if y'all listen to the interviews, I've been trying to tell y'all, watch forty eight hours and shut up, he lawyered.

Then he would lawyer up pretty quickly. I don't know if we don't know, I'm sure they didn't really want anymore. I don't know that part. I don't know that part. I don't know. I see right now because you'll see the new motion that is lawyer made today, uh any requesting information to see if Nipsey was a police informant. Oh yeah, I heard about that. All right, let me let me read something right quick, and I want y'all discuss.

This is a ten minutes long This is the soul of a lyric that he wrote, and I'm gonna say it kind of a kind of quick now. This is by Eric. This is his song that he wanted to know if they heard, so he purposely asked them, have you ever heard the song to Nipsy? You pussy ass wrapped niggas trying to play me. I'll hit you with the with the things. You must be crazy or you

must be cycled. Catch them bullets that I throw. I'll hit you with the code keeping the rich rolling, with your brains spilled on the floor, leave a nigga's blood dripping as slipped the full clip and any nigga get to tripping, and my nigga's get to chippy. We will leave your ass missing when it's time to bus a mission. Hollow points, get to spitting, and your flesh gets too ripping paramedics calm, get you when I'm done with your

on a mission. I got a happy trigger finger. So it's hard to believe that she didn't know he was getting related knows all of that already rapping and killing and carrying. Guys, you think she's on Spotify, that's that's a Spotify account. You don't think either. Let this woman listen to his is his song? His music. According to the transcript, they just barely met. They've been like a month apparently, and within the month Gene never played the song on the music for Hey, I meet someone within

a month, I ain't playing on my YouTube video. He wouldn't. They wouldn't intimate. And then she said they were. She said what she said is uh they never took off No, she said they were. Damn, I got it. They did. It was the gest of it was that they had uh sex, But it was not um that they didn't take the clothes off. So that's that's not even relevant. Really,

he just said that he asked that question. I'm just telling you what my whole thing is, How responsible do y'all think she is in the death of Nipsey Hustle she played she took him over there. Yeah, she did take him over there, but not with the intention. Just just gonna put your mind shed into a game banger's mind a cat that is mad and pished off and got raged. I'm sitting here with a chicken. We rolled it. I swould have got off and to kill his motherfucker.

I'm mad at this motherfucker. Man, I ain't time for these niggers bullshit. So I'm gonna pop this motherfucker. We're gonna bounce. His conversation could have been anything, but don't shit. You can't sit in and say that this she was rolling and he just said in the card, not not saying nothing. Actually, that's exactly what's in the transcript. They said there was no conversation about Nipsey. That's she didn't

she they recognized Nipsey. He didn't even acknowledge Nipsey. The first thing you're gonna do is drawback and say I didn't do nothing that she according to her. She should let me, let me just touch her. Okay what I said about the even though she hung out, um, she met Okay, she met him on February two, thousand nineteen. I'll giving him a ride as a customer, So I

mean she's driving left over. That was February nineteen. You want to make and they and the incident happened with March twenty associate relationship up began, but she claimed the suspect was not intimate towards her. They had one sexual counter but never kissed. She claims to have seen him multiple times with guns, which he said he needed for protection. She also claimed to never have have seen any game

tattoos are known. He was a member of the sixty Rolling Rolling Crup game and we got the meeting to suspect. She accompanied him to his cousin, Earl's apartment, where he recorded music. Yeah, the music that you said he never heard, but I don't like you said, I don't know it was that particular song and she wouldn'tness his cousin giving him a gun before they left or marsh To thirty two nineteen. The suspect wanted to hang out with the driver, but she was unable to because she had to work

that day. I wish she would have met him on that Saturday, but so on the thirty one, which was at Sunday, the driver called the suspect, who wanted her to take her to take her out. He wanted her to take him to In and Out I'm Burger. When they met later that day, they changed plans because they had already eaten. They decided to go to l A. They both lived in Long Beach. When entering her car that day, the suspect wasn't wearing a shirt, but was carrying a red T shirt in his hand with they

bent down tied around his neck. When they reached Lowson Avenue, the suspect directed her to pull into the Strip mall, where the Marathon clothing store is located. When turning into the mall, the driver noticed Nipsey hustle and mentioned she wanted to take a picture with him. The suspect remained quiet, giving no indication that he knew Nipsey. According to the witness thing, Nipsey recognized the suspects and asked one of of his friends, is that shitty? The suspect exit the

car and walked into the Master Burgers. After leaving the Master Burgers, he approached Nipsey and his crew, shaking their hands showing that they were cool. Right, everything that's cool. Everything, it's cool. Nipsey asked the suspect, where are you being, which the suspect replied he had been staying out the way. Nipsey mentioned they're being paperwork on on the suspect, which

the suspect replied, people was just hating on him. Nipsey told him, which what's nown is sounding like he's like concerned for him, not like shipping on him, like he's out there people thinking like he was. But Nipsey told him he was his bro and suggested he addressed it down. This is not coming from her. This is coming from either what's his name, either Cowboy or Perry what's his name or either carry these This coming from now because they because she's still in the car and he goes.

According to the witness in the conversation, not to get heated, and there was no animosity or harsh words. The suspect also asked the group had they heard his new song, which they all replied no. The driver left left her car and approached Nipcy for a picture. According to her state her testimony, she heard the suspects had had he ever snitched? Which is kind of funny. So she nigga, have you ever snitched? You know? That conversation was going.

Nipsey made it a gester like, waving him off, like nigga, get the funk on, you know. Appearing to be done with the conversation. The driver left the group, returned to her car and immediately posted a picture of her and Nipsey on her Facebook page. The suspect walked back into the Master Burgers, then to the driver car, accing r for two dollars to pay for his food. He then walked back into the Master Burgers and then before leaving,

approached Nipcy and his crew, shaking everybody's hands. Okay. When they entered the driver's car, he directed her the driver around the corner. He then pulled out the gun and began loading it. Now she in the car with him and he's lowing a gun out right. Wait, wait, say that last sentence again. Uh. He then pulled out the

gun and began loading it. That's not what I read in you're not reading the grandjury trans transcript, and said, does not say that it says that he pulled the gun out and he split it to load it, to put one in the chamber. That's what it says in the transfer. That's why I don't like reading. That's this summarize. No, I told you summarize. That's a huge different. Loading the gun. And he got guns. One of the guns. She's the gun. Let's keep going. Okay, he got a gun into then

he got a gun. Okay. The driver told he wasn't going to do a drive by, so that you ain't gonna do drive all of my car used, yeah, like we ain't doing no drive on. So from this point the driver knew something was right. Would you agree? From this point she knew someone was about to go down. No, for her to make a statement like that, you have to know how did you're not do a drive by? But then you pull up your part. You let him get out and then let him get back, and saying

you let she let him. She got no control. She took her ass off once he got all of the cars. Soon as he got out of the car, and soon she heard the shots. She could have bounced, oh no, listen, come on, Okay, we can say what should have played out, but shot, but anyway, okay. According to her testimony, she pulled into the alley A fifty eight place, which is one is on the corner of the marathon strip mall, so he could eat his food. So now they're doing all of this, and so now she's about to let

the eat all right. The suspect exit the vehicle, putting on his red T shirt, saying he'll be right back. According to the with the suspect approach Nipansey from behind and said, you're you're through? Whoa? So this this one of the other guys, saying is that in the dress and begin fining with a gun in both hands. Let mean he had two guns. With the gun both fans. Nipsey was hit a total of ten times. Ten times. The driver herd two shots from her car and she

said she did that. She did the two car from her car, and she waited for the suspect. She waited, she said, I waited for them. I waited for the suspect. The suspect in her car told her to drive. The driver asked the suspect what had happened? What? She replied, drive before I slap you. She asked the suspect where he wanted to go next? What she replied to his cousin Harold's apartment. I wonder llypd ever read a girl becausin her old's house. They actually had warrants on all

these locations that she provided. Yeah, but I don't know what happened, but they searched a few places based on her cooperation. Got you, the driver asked the suspect. Whatever, okay? She asked the suspect where he wanted to go? What? She replied? Because? Okay. He also suggested she turned on some music. Okay, now he needed he stressing out. Now the shooting is over and they're gone. She dropped him off. Okay,

so not that. She dropped him off a cousin her own apartment, and returned home to her mother's house, where she learned Nipsey Hustle had been murdered. When the guy she just took a picture with, Okay, but she took him to the mama house and they spent that night. You know we're gonna get to that. Around a PM that night, she received a phone call from the suspect asking her to pick him up from the cousin's house.

She noticed he had changed clothes. He had asked could he spend the night with her at her mother's house the next morning, which is a for the first aple through the day. The suspect as could he spend the day there as she went to work, which she replied, now you gotta go. You're gonna stay here while I'm not here. He then asked her to help him get a motel room. So they did. They apparently they did. She did spend the night after after the murder over she see it happened on TV, and then she goes

right away. Haven't said that? Ye? Did you say that? She dropped him more on Harold house. She left, He called her back. She noticed she changed clothes. How you noticed he changed clothes? If he ain't come back, she said, she she spent the night with James, picked him up, came and got him, picked him up, and let him spend the night at his and her MoMA house. Okay, my point keep telling you no, she's accessory to murder

after the fact that all of that. But um nah, even even holders not going to be found guilty at first agree murder because he didn't go there with the intention. He left the location and they came back, got in his car and ate his food, loaded up the gun or wrecked the gun, and get out and tell the man nigger you're done. You said second degree. It's not first degree premeditated plan second gree second degree if I walk up to you and but do you think he

went up there with the intention to kill Nick? He done when he went there to get his food. Nothing that came later. When he went up there to get his food, he had no thought of I'm gonna kill correct, correct, And then within what five minutes it changed. That's premeditating in the state of California. You're right, you only need like and I think it's fair. You only need like two or three minutes. You need minutes and just decide I'm about to kill this nigga. It's not a reaction.

Now if he would have went there, if he would just been talking to Nipsy walking up nifty man, I'm I got a problem with what you said. What you know, even though I got my gun on, But I got a problem with what you said to me. Man ask to me and mam a snitch. And I don't like how you weighed me off, shrugged me off. Dog, What's what's up with that? You know, don't mean, don't don't be doing me like that. I ain't know no bitch as nigga used the rapper and nifty go nigga, fuck you, huh.

And then I put my gun out and shooting, said a degree murder. But that's kind of like set in this car, ate some food, had his last meal. The differences he had to walk to the car to get the gun and come back as opposed to the gun being on him. All you just go on the car, get the gun and come back. He went ate his food, got some money, has some food. Tell her, you know, for her to even say that you ain't gonna do

no drive by all of my car. This nigga is playing with the gun and she's like, wait, hold on, you ain't right there, and then she already knew that shooting if she All my point is, she's is the prosecution biggest witness. They need her for all of this. They stay and it's the defense attorney's gonna tear her

down because of her line. Yeah, I knew that, niggles from sixty Yeah, I knew that, niggas when she still walk away scot free, and she shouldn't walk away scot free if there was another cat, if it was a gang banger in the car with Yeah, the guy that the guy in the back seat that's sleeping get charged. Yeah. Well,

usually because they have other witnesses that's willing to testify. Yeah, unfortunately for for him that he got guys that's going by the street cold, which honestly, you know what, huh jump on the immunity day off of your immunity, get away from a murtle. Ben. Let's get into it. Well, ship, let's talk about it. You have you brow up another top. Let's go ahead and move on to us. Keep you d okay, you want to talk about that? What's going

to well? Keith you d seems to be the hot topic right now because of the we got we got some time, we'll we'll, we'll wrap it up with this topic. Keith you d has definitely been the hot topic because all those interviews at vlasmin putting out and it's about to get hot in the next seven days. Yeah, he

hasn't got to the meeting potatoes. Yeah, he hasn't got to the to the main parts that everybody he's been If you've been reading the comments and like, we don't care about this thing of being connected to the oscar? What was the name uh the big king? Uh? Who probably about that? We want to hear about the what was your thoughts? Why y'all killed too while? And what happened? But it comes to this question um that a lot of people are asking about and criticized keip Di is

is the admission to Greg Kating? Is that considered snitching? And the reason why I asked this because no one ever got arrested, no one ever got charged, no one went to jail, and it had no impact on the investigation that the police had. It didn't have any positive impact. Nothing happened from Kip d spilling the beans. But is that still snitching? You know the way you hear is showing them catch like uh not gotting them to say dry snitching. I don't call the snitching because he used

this card at the right time. Here you got a drug case. You can be sent away on this. And here y'all want to know life him his brother and it's a life sentence. He was looking at him, his brother, and so you're gonna give me immunity. Fucking this is what happened. I called you. He played, he played the system I think I thought he made a strategic move. He knew what he was doing, and he was playing chess when Kayden and them was playing checkers. How many

people you think that won't uh take that opportunity? And then you you just gotta think everything you lose if you go to jail. You you you stand up like this and you say, I'm going to the fucking that's aat. What are you talking about? He trying to say that he lying that he that that he that he trigged get grad hatings and he played grad hatings to get out of a will ask me this, That's that's what. Wasn't Cating interested in the Biggie shooting because they happened

in Los Angeles. The POC shooting happened in Vegas, has no relevance in Los Angeles. But Keith, you d really I guess he knew that he did what he did. He told him what he told he did that ship and so he told was seeking information on the shooting of Biggie Christopher Wallace correct and didn't get it. He

didn't get it because that ain't what he did. And if they would have found out otherwise, he would have lost that immunity agreement and he would have got charged for the murder and his his sister, and his brother and himself were being sending them to a federal penetunty right now. But once they found out that, Okay, this is the crime that you did, and they exonerated him. He was their number one suspect. I was probably their number two suspects, but he was there number one suspect

in that case. And they exonerated him. And so then they move on to investigating myself and Teresa Swan and other people, and they found out the truth and to night and they found out what happened on that and so they was like, Okay, Keith, he is telling the truth. This is what we found out to be true. What did they find out to be true? They found if they find something to be true, I mean they're saying the cases close. It's not an active cage, and they

both close. I mean they ain't close officially, but the ain't no cops out there beating on no doors trying to solve anything. Well, it's a cold cage. Ain't a cold case. It's a case that they know that they came from. The suspects are dead. But technically they gotta

keep it open. But technically they got something that they can do to close on the officially, and I know lp D is considering doing it, and they was considering doing it because they know who the suspects are in the suspect is no longer with us, and and and and and it's a form and some type of prosecution that they can do, but they haven't decided to do that yet. But if you know they they in their minds,

law enforcement is convinced enough. Biggie Small's mother is convinced enough by dropping the lawsuit that the case is SAWD and and and she's moving on in her life and the l A p D pretty much has moved on. How do you how did you saw vocation? And nobody went to jail. It's not salved Well, the number one suspect is deceased. I know he said that she was. The mama convinced apparently what they came and presented to her and showed her. She was convinced enough to drop

her four million out of lawsuit against the city. Even though the shooters in both Pock and Biggie are deceased. Who the shootors who we believe to be. There are other people in the car that are accessary to murder that are still alive. Only Kifi in the park was was Wardale by himself in that car? Yeah, no, no, no, no, Now what, they'll have a person out there that they believe and I believe the person that that's that that um that hired you to do something that's just as

guilty as the person that did it. Now if you can go out to that person, if you can prove that particular case. But they exhausted all their possibility means. And same thing with keip you D. He's saying that he got the weapon and he was hired to do that to pack as well. And I guess kep D problem is well, well not kep D because Lost Vegas not involved this. They don't have to honor this disagreement that Greg Katieans gave to kp D. Let's let's just

put that in the feds. Right, Yeah, that's that's just a federal thing. Could do whatever they want, whatever the funk they want. But motherfucker's all the time, come in and come and confess and stuff. You get crazy bombs off the street, come in confessing the crimes that they had no part of it and not involved then. And so in the United States of America, UH, and most of our our law laws, you know, most of our system it's just because a person come in and confesses something,

it's not good enough. You need something other than a confession to prosecute someone on the case. And a d A is not gonna prosecute anyone other Now, if she night right now had to come to Jesus and been watching all the interviews, keep e DVEs, Hey, goddamn right. That was my childhood friend. That was my football player guy that was driving the car, and and was was in there in that car. I just noticed that I

just recognized you. And based on keeping statement, oh keep you being vas Vegas, p D will pick that case up in Rby. Now a good defensitory. What I'm trying to tell you about this incident with the lady will tear him up like you been twenty three years and now all of a sudden you recognize him and he looks older now, and he looked different. How did you look twenty three years ago? He showed a picture of

me twenty three years ago. I was a hundred pounds lighter, you know, so people change over a twenty twenty three year period then so a good defense per tear him up. But if somehow he came and did that, or you know what, God's been working on me. God just told me that's why they have their their death bad confessions and all of that people. But God' been working on me, and man, I gotta come clean. I've been knowing all my life it was keep d I just was living

by a street code. And I don't want to believe that cold no more or whatever. That's a long shot, but I agree y, Yeah, that's the only way that Keith you can never be arrested. We know what the state of Nevada is even interested in this case anymore. I think. Let me just say this. I know some people that was the interview when KIEFI did uh the Death Row Chronicles interview. They came down, got the tapes, the tapes that wasn't uh air and all of that.

So they have some cops that are that are investigating. Just like and we know of this because it happened to Bill Bill Cosby. How you get a new set of law enforcement officers are a new d a that that's like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run office on. You get some crazy Las Vegas d A that comes up and say I'm gonna, I'm gonna run on. I want to solve the two Pox Corps murder case. And this is what my platform wants to be to unseat this this d A. That's what happened to Bill. People

don't know that's what happened to Bill Cosby. This guy ran on the platform that I'm going to reopen all these cases and I'm gonna get Bill Cosby njil. You get a d A or something like that going to Las Vegas and operate like that, then you know it's a possibility. But like you said, a good it did this before and the rest because a good defense attorney

with tear shook night up on the stand. Yeah, now you mentioned that you were the number two suspects in the Park murder, not Pop you were the number two suspects. I was. Yeah, I was investigated behind that case and I didn't took lie detective tests and all type of stuff when that matter. Okay, so the Telegraph example, all stuff with the l A p D. You didn't go with the Task Force l APD and the task force. So you took their polygraph or did you take your

own and then turn it on you took theirs? Was by the d A n riverside? Okay? And and how did you perform on that? I guess I did? Okay? Were you're nervous when they questioned you? How he always nervous because you don't know what you know? Yeah? Um? Or what you thought you knew? Did you gotta remember I was around all of that. Yeah, so I don't know what don't you know? What I owed? What you know and what you thought you knew? There was a

lot of suspicion going. You know. The difference between killing them and I wasn't. I wasn't ever considered a person of being a trigger man or it was always an orchestrator. It's a difference getting the money to supply, setting it up, setting it up, talking to meeting with that is they would they would pay you, They would put you in jail for setting up some ship, but they won't put you in jail for driving the motherfuck around to kill them.

Motherfucker and didn't pick him up later, if I would have came up and said, okay, all right, y'all got me Reggie damn st y'all got me what the fosse did it? I paid them? Yeah, give me a munity the agreement. Hell no, you do themmunity over that to me? I told him about they needed because I knew how they needed it. I was over that. So they tried to link you to Wardell though, um and what was what was the link between you? Never read murder? Rap? No,

I need to read and watch murder. That's the whole great kating things. That's why you know I was exonerated all of that. Now, you conspiracor white boys, they don't believe that. But they don't even believe the whole Pucci and the connection with Sugar and all of that. They don't even want to believe that the conspiracors are out there, want to believe what the dirty cops. No, no, he he didn't hire warning all the Pucci or anything like that. No,

that ain't true. He had David mack LPD cops. That that that that that that that, um, he hired to do this. This is a professional here, No, no random guy could have did no ship like that. Let me ask you this, when you when when the ship is unfolding like this ain't going that way. And people start blaming the police. You got police with their rowing, then, I mean, don't just blame one. But they got l APD cops that they're saying that is dirty. Then they

guys they got something confidence saying ain't good. I mean, can you blame them for voice in their opinion on saying that it's these gang bankers ain't got the mentality or the mindset to pull this off like that, because I mean, you hear people say Tupac. They were standing there on the corner waiting on Tupac post to driving hitting the curve. And then but we're talking about Biggy, Let's stay on try. No, I'm just saying, I'm using example, killed all of this ship, and I don't need no

conspiracy coming the back up. Let's stay on track with who we're talking about talking about. It ain't that. But you don't jump and went to a Tupac thing when we're talking about Biggie. It's all I'm actually, let's talk about big But they were both the same thing, right, These people were talking about Biggie and Tupac and Tuopuck and Biggie both being murdered by the shame people who was talking about that. Everybody on TV in the newest where I was never a question about what they know.

So that's what I'm saying. Let's stay on track with with the biggie thing. But on the biggie thing, there was there's people out there. But okay, if we that's smart, if we that's smart, than all of that is professional and all of that. The guy that I supposedly hired or had some relationship with, which have been in federal pison for fourteen years, and and his partner and his boys and all that under the Rampart investigation is what what they try to link me to, which everybody think

police officers know everybody. I worked at Compton p D, which was eight to ten miles away that were it was a two department, you know, police department, and these are cops that work the l A p D, which is ten to twelve housing man. But everybody knows each other. The people don't even realize that people went within the LPD don't even know each other. And so but because of that, I supposedly know the cops, but the cops doing the whole Rampart investigation has never mentioned my name.

Or anything. But but the main question I wanted to say is they always want to try and to say this is a professional hit, and this, this, this and this and this guy David Mackins the one who did it because he has an SS and polo professional hit. Cops wanna no cops all that, but he's gonna use his own personal car to do a drive by to kill Biggie Small. Come on, your stupid white Let me

ask you this. When they were questioning you, did they already believe that Wardell was the shooter or were they a little bit unclear on who the shooter could have been. I don't know what they knew. I don't know what they knew, no question the way you got questions what they all. I think was dead at the time. I'm not even sure because I don't remember the timelines. I

think he was dead though, no wardal Um. If you didn't find out they didn't find Wardell is Pucci foos For those who don't know, they didn't get on the Wardale files until um during their investigation by the persons that were actually involved, came up with their name. He was still alive. I don't know. I don't know that I don't know when they investigat I don't know when

Pucci died. I think because this investigation went down like two thousand seven, two tho eight, when Biggie mother filed a four hundred million I was also against the city of Remember when Pucci got killed. If every is it public that everybody? Do everybody know that you had these tests? Did they gave you the polygraphs? I have mentioned it, but I don't know lpd is you said it in his book, not about the lot detective. I don't think. No, I didn't know. I was actually surprised that you was.

That's what I said. I've been exonerated. I have no problem speaking on it. I've I've been offered the immunity of agreement. And we just got angry at me. You know you're in a cute but you I hate when people go from Tupac. I hate being associated. It bothers me to the core being associated to two. But that's what I say. You say. I just actually used an example that we were talking about, which was was Biggie because I hate for my name to be brought up

in this Tupac ship. It bothers me to the core. Man Biggie ship. I don't care about I really don't. Well, I'm sure James is sorry. I'm just saying I mean he missed understood that are I didn't understand what I was trying to say. I was trying to use that as an example, but maybe I mean, you know, hey, some people get touchy. It's okay, not insensitive. Well, we got all the way to foosh spouse from keep d admissions um and this all started from addressing the issue.

If is keep e D considered a snitch on Formant because of what he did with Greg Katie, what do you think do you think he was man was wrong for doing it? I really don't. It's like what we're talking about Freeway Ricky Ross he told on all the corrupt cops and his investigation, and people started labeling him a snitch. And I'm like, wow, Like how broad is this definition of snitching? Like, well, it has gotten overboard from from the beginning of time and and and people

use it loosely, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, just like we keep your d man, the dude had a chicken. And if all of these guys are dead, who am I hurting you? Know what I'm saying. Why would I speak Your nephew would never hear this confession, you know what I'm saying. And and then I saved my sister and my uncle to somebody from going to the penitentry behind my ship. And I also shaved myself. Yeah,

one person and we were overlooking. One person was still still alive at the time when he did get this confession, and that was the driver of the vehicle. Brown parents should hear that one to jail? If just like I said before, just because you go and just because you go and do a confession, you need more than that confession to have someone incarcerated or to be arrested. You can't even pick him up. But you don't want to mess up your case once they froze up on you.

So that's why you follow up around. You try to get a case on them. Hey, do we know what Terence's reaction was when Kifiti gave that admit into Greg Kating. Nobody knows. I'm sure you know because he didn't live. He died shortly there after a few years he got killed in the marijuana Dispenserianum and comforta well, I mean, I'm i don't know if I'm gonna just call Keith a snitch because I think I think he had a plan. I think it was all strategic. I think he knew

what he was doing. Um, I guess you can say he threw his nephew under the bus, but his nephew was deceased. Um, no one was gonna go to jail, No one's getting arrested, no one's getting indicted. Did he look at it as a meal chicken? And he got everyone out? He got everybody. I would have took the deal. Let me just say that, I would have took the deal it was offered to me. But but I come from a different code. I'm a law enforcement and all of that, and I'm not a street nigger. But UM,

let me just say that. Um, his sister had a stroke behind us, knowing that her son was implicated like that, even though no one it will save in her life, him and his brother relationship are still not the same today. He are you talking about Orlando's mom and k e. D They still not the relationship to this to this day, like that, and so even though that they did, you know, he saved their lives or whatever, or or you know, didn't make them have to go and fight and go

in the system and fight something. They still don't like the fact that they're not appreciative to the fact that he spoke. He spoke on the nephew like that implicated him and something worldwide like that. So basically the family ship feel a certain kind of we're opposed to people on the street. The streets didn't got nothing to do with it. That's your family thing. I mean, how do you label that? I mean, I get it. I mean I get it, but I'm not from that world. So

that's something you shouldn't see. What I'm saying is you're my uncle and you're gonna put me out there like that, and I and I'm trying to tell people I ain't like that. So what if I was still here? What would what would be the consequence? That's a great question. What if Orlando was still alive, got popped for that drug traffic and he had to sit that withe out. That would have been a cold situation right there. So now that changes the game if it's changes the game.

So you know, but your sister and your family wouldn't feel that way because you put the baby in a situation like that, and they're not saiding well with it because you shouldn't have never even said about it. Well, I think, and he was also bringing Puffy comes down with that T Brown or T. Bawn, whatever his name is, Terrence,

he is bringing him down. So you know it was people that according you know, to the code that we're being um you know, so now are you trying to save yourself, saving you you you, yourself and your family, but you jeopardizing the freedom of to other people? Yeah, that's true because Keith, you can't predict what's gonna happen to Terrence or if they're gonna investigate Puffy, which they

tried to. They try to pull that case all the way from Las Vegas to l A p to l A Jurisdiction because they said the plan was made in l show down the game switch again. If they get Puffy, do we you got immunity, but you will have to testify. Now. Now his argument would be, well, the nigger didn't do what he's supposed to do. He didn't pay me my money and he didn't do that. But so he's feeling salty now. You know, in the investigation, we learned that

ye Puffy did pay the five hundred thousand dollars. How do we know well from informants and other people. Uh, von Zilk was the mediator, and you know, Puffy pretty much said that, uh I gave the money to zipf that if he did that, he implicateslf right. That's just informants, that's just people talking nobody. Guess it's not like they got Puffy on tape or Zip. You know, Zip died, but just think they would have leaned on Zip actually got into a fight with von Zip once in here

in l a Hollywood boulevard. I didn't even know who he was, and everybody was telling me, hey, man, leave that dude alone. And I'm like, man, he's disrespectful, leave him alone. You don't know who that is. You since a little short time, I know you don't disrespected. You don't disrespect the ship Night. You don't disrespected? Uh von Zill,

how don't respect night? Night? Actually packed out one of my one of my very close friends from where I grew up at you know, okay, so and he's putting and he put a gun and one of my boys, Um what so, No, I didn't disrespect. Uh I adn't disrespect shook I certainly didn't disrespect lad and maybe I did disrespect von Zippelotte, you know. But he was out there with his uh I don't know, Kashmir blazer and

all these fancy clothes. Yeah he was, and I think we bumped into each other in the club and I was like, dude, get off me, and somebody was like, I'll leave him alone, and uh, he tried to win it go in on me. I was like, dude, and he's a little older than me. I was like a little too old to be trying to messle me. Everybody's like, y'all know what that is. No, I don't care what

you is. But um, it was all good, all right, well you know what, we'll we'll wrap it up right there and uh hopefully, uh we could probably continue this conversation on what is the snitch? And with a snitch? And because this always comes up, man, But I want to thank everybody for listening to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. Be sure to go to iTunes if you're listening to on your Apple device and give us a rating and a review, and don't forget to check out

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