The Mind Of Malone Part 1

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The Gangster Chronicles Podcast dot com. Now, normally I'll go into our fact check for the previous episode, but you know what, we gotta guest this week, let's just go straight to it, right Reggie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But don't we have a way now that it can be viewed? Uh yeah yeah, where you can tell them I want to do that. Well, we're starting to record our our podcast video recorded, but I don't have the specifics of

where to watch it, where to see it. We still got to get those details from our producer, Norm Steele, and I'll explain that. But for those who are new to the show. We're recording this episode and we recorded last episode, so this will be our second episode that's recorded. So let's get straight into our guests. Guess what we got in the house today, Must Die. Tupac must die. They already know the name. Have to die. Tupac must die, Tupac gonna die. We got glasses Malone. What's up? Man?

You tell us? Man laughing man? People is crazy? Man? You all over the place this last month. I'd say you are everywhere to last month except on Street TV. Yeah, but you know what, We've been planning something. I'm glad you said that first and started the show with that. Yeah, you know what, Like I really I was telling Uh, I was telling O G And I was telling UH Reggie that I really want to do something dope with your pot, like with your platform, because I really am

a fan of it. And everybody knowing from the seven, everybody know from seven Stree watch like everybody know it. So sometimes you just want to you don't want to do nothing just generic. You want to do something special, And I feel like that's important to me, you know what I mean, especially detailing how I came up in the streets on the gang life. It's important to do something special. So I've been really just praying we figure out something really special. But it's it's a done deal.

We locked in. You've been on Bomb first twice. I mean you went all of the New York and was on Breakfast Club for the third Breast Club for the third time. Yeah, I got some some notes I've taken. I took some extensive notes on how I want to interview you, how I want to do it. So you know, it's just a matter of coordinating, uh, coming together. Um, sometimes it takes me like six months to a year to get somebody. It took me a minute to get you.

It took about six months to finally get you. James disappeared after after you said you wanted to do it. But I mean I had so much going on. My mother deaf at the time that that was that November two thousand eighteen November December. Were buried in December. So from the time I met you, I think January of this year, that's when we started. We hooked back up and then we wind up on the same podcast together. So I guess it was meant that meant that happened,

and I just released part two yesterday. I ain't watching nothing. I don't watch Foster. Yeah, and people said that Stephen C. Foster Mural was looking at you during the interview. It probably was Heed. He tried that's when when as a composer, Yeah, composer. But but for those of y'all look for I don't know why Alex. Alex needs some help with that's only you don't get no views like that because because he

didn't categorize that. He called it this is Buchanan. We want to call it, mom, James, I gave it a title. That's good. Every title is different. But the thing was, I said the video tape part two visit because I'm looking for visiting again. James. Well, you know, the good thing about those is that people understand because a lot of people, you know, they try to criticize and not knowing what actually really happened or how you are I

felt about Vincent, you know what I'm saying. Just you know, they think that, oh he was killed in that ship. But I'm tuning in because I want to hear well. The title of part two is Videotape of events Buchanan from pyrou being killed never existed anywhere, and he's all in the description and then who reads that, Well, it's all watch it's point man. We I'm we're here to talk to glasses. And I told everybody on bomb first man,

we gotta get this young man on the show man. Yeah, he came right down, and we really want to get you where you at right now? And how you feel that how people it's perceiving you right now off of

Tupac much die. Honestly, the only thing I don't like is that it's some kind of weird myth that I don't like Tupac like because I made a song that's about the streets from a angle where somebody get killed, even somebody who maybe our hero to a degree, you know, somebody we grew up listening to, and it really don't have It's a very objective song. It's not really a subjective take. It's all objective. It's like, it ain't really my opinion, it ain't really my personality. It's not the

it's not the song, it's the title. But even then, because the video was shot first person, right, so I shot it from the in, so the title fit the song from the eyes of the person, it was just being I'm a little bit. I think I was a little bit too creative at that point. And then it got to what people don't realize, like when you're watching the video. Like I had a conversation with the homie and he was like, you know, it was cool. I can't believe you made the video when you killed Tupac.

And I was like, well, technically, if you watched the video you killed Tupac, I gave you the gun because he jumped on you. So I made the viewers. So the concept was from the viewers, Like you look from the eyes of the person. So that's where the title comes out. Just like that attitude. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Last week, a lot of people it was just like people are tripping on the title. It's like judging a book based on its cover without getting

into the contact and what it's all about. But that's what I mean. I didn't kiss that part. But still the controversy is behind the title. Well what's funny, is right? So like the title was really like I tamed it down in my mind because it was like Romeo must Die or John Tucker must die, a real pop thing. Um, it's totally different. From a room in your tweet, because

the tweet is what makes it different. That and that that you know, putting a magnifying glass on the emotions of being jumped and from the first person, that's what to everybody. Off the title itself, I thought it honestly, I thought the title didn't even sound that bad, you know, as crazy as it sound was still first was like, no, man, we can't put this out. I'm like, whit, Like, man, this title sound crazy. I'm like, man, it's a pop titles.

It's like a movie. Yeah. When he when when he called me the first time that that this was before you put it out to get my opinion, I had no clue of what the title was. Uh. If I had known what the title was, I wouldn't try to be like, that's killing Tupac twice. But you know, a lot of people ask you questions. A lot of people are coming at you with with with different types of ships.

You know what I'm saying. You haven't been all the way to the breakfast club with this this controversy right here. And my whole thing is, do you see yourself changing the title or do you see just this particular shung going anywhere. Um, it's kind of stuck. Yeah, I'm never

too late. You know what if I meet the right if the right person, kind of like a lot of people was mad at me, you feel me Like certain people I know, like Mopreme, different homies that I know that I knew coming along, and I'm sure they know my intentions is pure. But like if somebody close enough said, hey, man, gee, this really makes me feel bad. You know what I mean? Because you do that, then not know crazy stalker fans

like that's the who call me. It's like yo on some real ship, little homie like that title really hurts me and it makes me feel I would do it for trash, for the culture. I would do it for it. I'm not doing it for them A little sick White kids who like don't really understand too. They're not really fans though, they're just praising another person. Like I'm a Tupac fan. I grew up really listening to the Tupac watching.

You know, my mom would let me have it because he had really good lyrics and you know it was coolhen I was a kid to have it. You couldn't listen to w A. I'll be on first and I'll be just a lot of the people on the chat boards and all of that, and then when they do call ups, I'll be finding out a lot of the people, all right, age, Um, that's what I'm saying. That's a lot of people out there that's on this YouTube in

their thirties and forties. I'm not saying. I'm saying the people who would talk to me if somebody talked to me about it and it really made sense, and like when you talk to me about it had me thinking for a long time. I was like, damn, Jay make you know, mam, make a good point, Like but you know, being a gang member, people addressing with anger that ain't gonna get you nowhere with me, Like immediately, I'm like comin.

It was yeah, it was like really made perfect sense, and it had me thinking hard talking to his first cousin, you know, would you know it was like he said something. If he would have said, you know what, g don't make no sense, I really would like my family would really like I would have changed it. Um, even when Corrupt was cussing me out, if he would have been like, man, gee, you know I would have changed it. Certain people, you know, I would I get it if it's close, but you

meet more people trying to um. First off, talk crazy to me because asked still it was it was yeah, because so it was a speaker phone conversation, like I was. He called me. I didn't know what he wanted, but he was like, man, he was just goddamn it, Glass, Why the funk would you do that fucking title? And corrupt is like somebody who really has lived out like the first day. You know, he didn't treat me like just a washnig like just this. You know a lot

of the game just don't. They're not fair to like washing. They treat you like outcast. They do not want to funk with you. So corrupt dash um cam three niggas that don't even care about too. But we'll keep going. But you don't got to care about it. I'm saying, it's like certain people that's treated me well, it means something to me. Even when he called me like he had like James had a really good thing. Oh it was, it made sense and I was like, damn, that's a

good point. But most of what I said, no, no, you meg, But again it was more fear. Yeah, like I'm just not scared like, that's my problem is so when they come from the fear point I think I came from. Yeah, he was like the niggas trapping you know, man, motherfucker. I'm like, man funk all these people. But it wasn't yet people. Basically, my whole thing is is the concern now what what I'm saying to you? And I don't think I got my point across. My point is this,

It doesn't matter what the other people say. And I told you that it doesn't matter at all. It matters what you saying. To think. Once you look at this title and the feedback that you're getting from Tupac must die. That's the only thing that matters right here. So if you feel that, man, I don't give a would nobody else say you said you're a Tupac fan. So you have to go deep, not that deep to say, okay, let me let me switch this. I thought about it

a thousand times, like before it came out. So before it came out, I had the idea to name it song Orlando Anderson, right, and it just didn't have no passion. It's not about like you know, just using somebody's name. It's you know, all this art is about passion. It's always about like delivering a point, delivering and experience delivering something more. The title would kind of make it a little bit were way more calmer, but also you don't get the message like he becomes just around. I don't

think you would have grabbed out attention it becomes. Even though the videos was greatly done, the only thing that was done inaccurate about it. And I even like how you went back and bought a car of that year. I don't know if most pliceople know that you went through the actual locations. You went to the Arco Guys station that was right on the corner, and you didn't feel me there. Um. So I appreciate all of that that you did. Um you know, I hate that you

made it seem like Trey vionn lost lost change. But other than that, I can't think what funny is. That was the hardest part, right because knowing about how that happened. Because I knew about how that happened, knowing it was a gang fight a group of people, it wasn't necessarily an assault on the chain, as simple as it sounds, it became complex to tell the story. And this is gonna be the weird part of it, right, I thought about it. If if they don't take the change, it

really makes two parts look crazy. So are are are gain affiliated? And that's what I'm trying to make sure. It's always like you try to paint the ground where it's objective. I don't want to make it. But but you told so much stuff that was factual, but that part just makes a fiction. Well, that's the it should be fiction. It has to be a bit just enough to where it's like it can't be dead on. It's not a movie. No, it's not a document it's a movie.

It's not not a documentary. It's not it's a movie. So if I show a game fight, that's the only thing. And the timeline was a little it was kind of what it didn't happen is fast. Well, it became something that I felt the viewer right could keep up with it. But that's that's the part of being artistic about telling

the story with some of these little inconsistencies. Man, when you tell the truth, being one hundred with it and a lot of a lot of a lot of gangsters, a lot of thug niggers, a lot of cash along state lives out here. You know over that that type of ship right there, drive by the whole nine. A lot of cats I've been shot four times, you know what I'm saying, and all of them through a drive by and one doing a drive by. So going out there looking for it don't mean you ain't gonna get

it too. But what I'm saying is if you do a video on some one hundred ship, it got to be one huney regardless of And I preached this every time I talk. If you equip nigga and you with it, that's the bottom line. You're fucking with it. You that that cat is with the business. Like I said about the he's with the business. A lot of the ain't ship. Nine times out of ten, the average cat ain't been just run up on the little because he's gonna dump

on your ass, you feel me. So when you did that, if from the fight, if Orlanda would have got dropped, it should have been in that video because that's the struggle right there. If you're telling the story how he died and how you thinking and looking in his eyes, then let's see what really happened. And that's the point I'm trying to make know. For sure. So for me, for me, right, it was more this is gonna sound crazy, right,

but it's real. For me, it was about trying to make the same point I've been making for twelve years about gang banking, the mentality. It's not as like the story just represented another way to get the point across about how people that gang bang you. You usually been through something, the mentality, how you react, what you go through,

like what's propelled me to do things? Worried about what other people thinking about me if I let this ship go, these niggas gonna really think my homies, how they're gonna It was more about that. But because I involved Tupac, right, it became more about that. And I kind of knew honestly that it was gonna happen that way. But if I if I try to go to detail, like Okay, this is one problem, right, I don't. So I know what Dre told me, right, I know what Drest shout

out to freaking drag. I know the story told me, right, so I knew what that happened there. I've heard your interviews, so I know part of that. I've heard the stuff you're talking about, so I know part of that. I really don't actually know. I wasn't there. So as an artist, right, you you paint a picture as close as you can yet remaining what I'm saying, to keep it entertaining, yet my responsibilities in the street and making it where it's

like it ain't gonna incriminate nobody. And also like, where is somebody that's not from our world could keep up? Because that's the thing. Like a lot of people were saying that to me. They was like, oh, so you know, um, people really think the fight was over a chain, And like every last person I ever talked to told me, the fight is not over a change, It's just a

normal fight. That because we got to the fight a lot of times when I was growing up at the Lago More that's where we would go to Kes Niggers to fight the fight. And the fight was over the chain. Orlando was ready for that come up. Orlando got at him, approached them and and and try to stats the chain. Now when he went to stats chain him and tre got this chain, Like this trade knows he can't come back to the hood without his chain, so he fought for his chain. So once all of that is over,

because we went to the malls. We we talked to the security guards. Did he get his ass? What? What? Like? Really went down? I really did a roll car? Hell yeah yeah? So when when? When? When this happens? People don't know that the foot locker was closed down for a dare too that world for locker. They wouldn't give up the video of that incident. They were to check his It's not to check Tray g father is Tray

said the niggers tried to take his chain. Okay, basically we wanted to know who the niggas was because he actually didn't know his name. Now I know all of these cats over because my baby mama lived over there and I see him and my daughter sayd this is this is whoo whoo. Now I knew that he was a little hitter. Okay, they look at it as a hitter because you know, he jack motherfucker's for a limit that was just getting down doing this thing. So this fight,

it just starticified everything. Now everybody is up here with it hair standard straight up, and everybody is ready. We on. Everybody is on the mission now you know what I'm saying. So all of this started over that It just so happened to be a south side cat and the mob and these two the hoods is Incompton. You know what I'm saying, because the mob in the south side always been that fact ain't never been, just like Antana's it's it's no, not at all, so period. Now you have

to do what you gotta do. Now we're talking about gang banging. Mental You ain't got a choice now, you feel me? So to looking at the video, looking at all these guys in the car. You know if if cats being straight up one hunted, you can't tell me you came pop a cat from the passenger side, driver side or the passenger back. Oh you know the driver got to do has been over and I reach out and I'm dumping you feel me? Just like Orlando did from the back seat the driver keep you could have

did that ship front. So there's no excuses for that type of ship. But in the video, it's like all of these cats was like, yeah, let's get these foods. You got three cats in the car that turned down. I don't want the gun this we're gonna be one. He only says who passed? Who passed the gun to Orlando? Well, keep you in path. Even what I'm what I'm saying, man, it's it's a lot of cats out there that lost

their lives for the same ship. If if it don't gotta be a chain, it's a motherfucker's it's a bandanna. So even to depict one one cat that's really with the business and then take him out of character, this ain't this. No, this ain't him. This ain't how he got down. People get mad at that, you know what I'm saying, and and and my whole thing has been one with what you're doing. And if people want to

see the truth, then you give them the truth. You don't give them no water down ship and say, okay, this is my perception of No, you gotta do your homework on it. Then put it out there. You know, Reggie, you know no, m no, damn to everybody, Alex. I mean, you've got a lot of people out there that's that you objected something. No, I understand. I think he did

a good job. Oh no, he did a one as close as an outside because at the end of the day, you like, I'm outside, so right you can gather all information and then it's always been like prime example, right when I did the Big Boy interview, I was saying that I was said on rails, like everybody saying trading, if trading, get his chain took my bad Like it's always been conflicting stories, So it's a conflicting the chain and get I've honestly, I still it's always the exact oppositely.

He just finally made it in a Blad interview that the chained it, but even earlier in the video he said it was and then always heard it right down the middle of what it is. So it depends on where you from. So I from the South, feel me. Then if I talked to Mikey, you know, I means drew rest in peace. Certain homies they be like it didn't happen, so you never knew, so you got it kind of. And it really wasn't about as crazy as

it's sam the song. Maybe the action of what happened was about the chain, but the song wasn't about the change. It's about the mentality. Let me say that, Um, just to go back when you said, and I understood what you're saying when you said it would have happened. And I want to ask James, this being three of them and six or seven, you know, some say ten, some say,

fifteen of them. I still believe they would have jumped them, evence they didn't see a chain, knowing that they were because from from because not even cent of the catch that walked through the morow this game banging, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean we did that, like with Ma had a god damn problem with man. It was just so that is with what So that's just activity. So now the fight is gonna happen. You you had

that in the hood. They just riding bike short, catching the cripts at the car wasatch getting off the cars, just just straight getting the moup. I got another song. It's funny, is right? So I have another song that talks about almost gonna get killed at Louisburger and nobody heard what was crazy to sound because it's based off of truth story. But but the Tupac thang. When you say Tupac mothers dying, you got game banging ship every day.

Tupac me personally wasn't a game banger to me. A lot of cats and this is everybody just Tupacs from the hood. Tupac was this. I say, no, no, you don't. I didn't accept that because you can't just walk into my life like that and and say you this one old cat. You ain't that feel me? But I'm the same way Orlando, which with the business, he was a crib. Tupac jumped him. He felt he had to do what he had to do. Who's writing? Who's wrong? That's and

that's the whole point of the song. Somewhere in this thing, right it's like, well, glasses, you know you're saying Tupacs on, I never said that. If I'm rolling with you giants and we walk out this motherfucker can building, you could be wherever you was from right now. We're together still, Yo, that's my boy. So you we together, dude comes and jump on you. I don't give a funk what it's over. I'm for the busted ship. That's just how it goes. So I'm one of the people that's like, I don't

think Tupac is wrong. I don't really feel like that. And I also understand what it's like to be but Tupac the stick of the soon because you're seeing you're looking through Orlando eyes and the Tupac must die because Tupac hit me. Okay, two Motherfucker's fighting rule Number one motherucker pecked me out. I'm coming to look for you. Ain't waiting no more. Yeah, so, but Tupac is gone now.

So why Tupac gotta die twice? Orlando didn't get killed by by by by that he died by the when he died by the same way that we always die every time. But what I'm trying to say to you is, what's the difference between Tupac and Orlando. There's no difference, not at all. They both died of the same motherfucking game. So why do Tupac gotta die twice through the eyes

of Orlando? I hope you understanding what I'm saying. I'm picking up because because Tupac felt that he had to prove to his homies at the time that I'm with it except me for being I'm trying to get in this cut. I'm not just a rapper. Yeah, I'm not just rapper. I'm trying to be straight gagst on it. So but okay, even even though you got you got one of these in the hood, you got down, you got cast that that ain't gangst about, not about you

got cast this out. There just been a third because you see this cat and how people look at him and give him depth and all of that ship. You got a whole lot of different types of niggas out there, you feel me, So let's just put Tupac right here. He's definitely not on the same page as Orlando. And I'm not praising because I'm from a different it's just different. It's just totally different. Okay. So but here you have a Lando, here you have Tupac. Tupac got killed for

putting his hands on the man. You feel me, and I think every man in this motherfucker we'll saying that you put your hands on me, especially y'all right back me the way you did. I'm gunning for you. Feel me. Everybody on the streets know the law. You know what I'm saying. Everybody on the street should expect that to happened. You feel me? But when you when? When when when you take and do a do a Tupac is well known and you say Tupac must die. Yeah, why you

don't say Orlando must die? You did the same ship. Yeah, you see what I'm saying. Listen right, So, but every last story, right, it's told from um Tupac's perspective. If we look at the film. If we look at the documentary, the film basically is telling everybody, this is why a Tupac got killed. So Tupac shouldn't have put his hands on a on this gunner. Tupac didn't know that guy. Tupac and still be alive. Got all kinds of different scenario. Tupac would be alive right now today if he had

never touched the Lando. I say that, or he had met his faith in somewhere else. Orlando wouldn't be where he had if he wouldn't have ran into his situation that he did. You know what I'm saying. So let's just choke it up. We got two bad guys, both of them funked up when it cost him. Wait a minute, it cost him their life. But that's the point of

the song. There's really no winner, I know, but Tupac lose at the end of the day, my brother, because now you don't woke him up from the day, and now you don't choke him out with Tupac must die. That's glorifying Orlando's Orlando. It's saying, Tupac, this is why you got your cappiell come. I hope that's not now everybody is looking at it like that. I'm saying, perspective. I have to look at it like that because both of these guys is trying to live in the same

fucking world. But it's in glasses actually telling a story about revenge and retaliation in the l a gang world. And this is what could happen. Not necessarily that could be that it happens to us and our friends, our whole life. Yeah, I'm just saying right now, right, it's it's different entertainers, right, that's coming on the scene claiming gangs. Yeah, you know what I mean. It's a it's a it's

another rapper that's from the mob. It's another rapper that's from Tree Top singers, rappers every time, right, everybody's joining gangs because nobody is saying, hey, this could happen to anybody. It's always putting this place like, well, no, they pay some money to have these people killed, not that it happened the way it happens to our friends, our whole life, everybody we grew up where it happens the same way.

So to me, Now, that's the only thing about art, right, perception, how somebody perceived My intent was never to glorify Orlando. It was to humanizing first, right, because I always felt like when I listened to people talk he was a villain, but he ain't no different than any one of us. Orlando, No what I'm saying, he grew up how we grew up, where you feel the pressure of making sure people know your reputation it stand up. You gotta stand up for

yourself at all costs. So telling our story that's not to exclude Tupac. Is he a brother just like one of us, right, But our culture right creates this pressure that was the goal of the song. Now I don't know how to really feel about you know, because I

don't think it's it don't seem glory. Like literally, like two seconds later after Tupac get shot, you see Orlando andything I killed the same way, and the like, yeah, it writes it on the screen because I mean, I you know, yeah, you couldn't go that long with the video. But I told you that should be part two. I called you after that I should be one to do what I think I would if I was you. I'll do it part two so people will see where you're

really coming from. Because what y'all just said just saw is in the street. I ain't seen it, but I told him, I said, you need to do a part two or Orlando dies, and then maybe people will get off you. Yeah, but I don't mind people. I don't mind people, you know, being on me. Like I'm not praising because you because you you got the you know, for lack of better word, but the word that people use now in the cloud off of it. You got

the cloud off of it. And I know you. I don't think and I said, for a lack of a better word, I don't like that word. That's but but glasses he does stuff like that. You know what Glasses just just said in an interview recently, he said, Shaquille O'Neill, there's a better I mean, uh, what's that point? Dennis Robin was a better, a better basketball basketball player the Seaquille O'Neill. It only in different ways. The Lees won't

even just it's that's in different ways they are. I'm ask you a question, risk, Oh listen, he can shoot free thrones. He goodn't they shot about the defense the way? To me? Two things may ring the Dennis Romans Michael Jordan, how many different Teamschael Jordan before the Bad Boys with

the Bad Boys that train on that. Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you let me bottom line, how do you really feel about the title now that is out there, now that it's done, now that people are saying it's too late to change it, how do you really feel? Let's just let everybody know how you truly feel about that. It hurts it, honestly, right, it hurts me that it hurts people, Like I could deal with people being angry, right, if you just angry, I get it. I'm really in

my heart trying to find a level of disrespect. Like I look at the title over and I'm like, well, where is the disrespect? You know what I mean? Like, I really can't resonate. I mean with people feeling like it's disrespectful. Um, it just bothers me that people are hurt, people being mad. I could deal with that people being hurt. That's different because my intentions was to never hurt someone. It was to tell a story and make sure I

got your attention so you can see this story. I'm curious to know, like what age range is most offended by this song because most of Tupac's fans, the hardcore fans, would be in their forties today, late thirties, early forties. But it seems like you're getting a lot of this negative backlash from a younger generation. We don't know. We don't really know because most of it is on YouTube. But I'm telling you honestly, like I'm just about my

personal conversation. People are necessarily real fans of Tupac. We can't say that I'm just listen what I'm saying. Hear me right, so and soult to insults. It's like people love to find someone right that passed away right and attached himself to their greatness. I really believe in my heart, like when I was listening to Tupac, I listened to I have all this man's music, a lot of his music. If you listen to any of my earlier music, you can tell I'm inspired by a lot of his stuff.

I use a lot of his stuff in my ship. Like my last project, I got a song called Step. It uses some Tulpac stuff in there. My next song using some Tupac like this ridiculous, You know what I mean to even I'm a real fan of the man, Like I grew up listening to his music. I remember when he came on people protesting mad that he got out of jail. Why would you say that you don't believe that they are real fans, but you could be a real fan because you said he was in Australia, right,

How did the people accept you in Australia? It was like someone, how did you feel about it? Like watching these people jumping in and how did your name and all of that? How did that do you? From the inside? It just made me feel like my music was, you know, presenting themselves the same way that people gravitated to Tupac No. I feel the same. Yeah, I'm talking about something, but I'm talking about these people never most of these people

never seen the man. They never you know, it's not it's not I'm not saying that it's Michael Jackson got six million more fans. He've been there for a long time. But my point is, I don't know if that's really a fan. Like I'm really starting to get into this place, like even like when my boy nip it's a certain thing where you have these people who are attaching himself to his legacy and using his legacy right for social relevance, social currency. That's that's YouTubers, and and and and and

it's more than YouTubers. It's an artists. No, but it's no, it's not. It's it's regular everyday people. It ain't just them, it's people who want to be a part of the people walk up to him and see and see something the body and the way that they die. I mean, because we don't have people that die be don't have Big Pond die and probably have people listening to it right now don't know who the hell Big Pond was. Well, that's that's also a crazy thing, because your your career elevates.

If you go to jail, your your career boost. If you die, your career tragic death. I mean, it's just crazy. Any anything that no certify change. And you know, so you get exposed to more people. People love a victim. I mean we you don't love aggressive, I mean every now and then you will, but people love the victim. So I'm not saying Tupac don't have mellans of fans. That's you know, that's not the point. What I'm saying is I think you have more people attaching themselves to

his legacy to just believe in something. I really listened to his music. It shaped my life. He was talking about me as a kid. It fits the life right now, I'm not saying people who are not outside the life prime example, right, I don't happening for you then, because you show was a praising Snoop. I've never in my life praise Snoop my god, Breakfast Club, how's that praising you when you're talking to me with nick smart background starts,

That's why don't do that. No, I'm just calling a space to space eight, like I don't have no horses in this race. Like like where I'm from and how we grew up, we do our thing for me, we ain't. I'm not being cool with nobody. I'm not gonna give Snoop no extra props just to be cool with him. I'm not gonna give Tupop no extra props because he passed. I'm not gonna give nobody nothing next you. I'm gonna call it a spade to spade. That's the only way

I could look in the mirror. And for the record, I agree with Glasses about park Um, I mean about Snooping and prod to um. Let's let the listeners know exactly what. Okay, I might go to ninety six. Kay, ninety six Glasses just pretty much said that Park was I mean, Snoop was bigger than Pop, and then ninety six out on they were at the same level. I say Snoop was bigger than Pop from the ninety he was around when Snoop. When Snoop was there and Snoop was doing it was more of the dog pound that

before tuparc came. Snoop Dogg was loving it because he was the center of attention. But then when you got a tuparc that comes, they even pushed me then to the shide. But I mean what Pop was doing this thing over at Interscope, I mean he was doing movies. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you about the power of death Row. And it's not fair to tell you because you was there, right and you was there. Let me tell y'all from the outside the power of

motherfucking death Row. Because sometimes I think y'all don't get it, like y'all don't get it, but y'all get it dog like. Do y'all know that anything that y'all was pushing to make everything to the streets, Snoop, it was nothing like that. You feel me and that's why I made it, really and that's why I believe the the eq or the equal the person that made that, and I think we all took it away from me. It should, it should. It's fair to get shook, It's fair to get shook

understood how we need to be presented. And he probably was listening to some people that knew how the machine and not just Jimmy. I'm talking about the wed looked in the streets. It looked like something you've never seen before. And that was because the people that he had with you that was pushing that actually brought in real life game bangers to the streets into the music business. And people only hear that you got these type of guys

out there. Now they are seeing them now, they are being built and touched by them down, they're being assaulted now. They have been like, whoa, why the just small away and get all these foods from and these ain't no little man. I gotta get off another topic because I just thought about it. Were you there, James? I wasn't, But were you there when you stop it? But when when they got into it with Luke Scott Scott Walker?

Because I gotta find somebody that was there because man, they got it, like the Miami dudes put hands and and and I never heard of this when all these guys, you got one guy to say that they can come into death row and beat the shift out of everybody in death broke goddamn line because you didn't had to go range storm, you had to go through That's not but we're telling about being check this out. Ain't nobody

whipped death row ass being Luca goddamn line. I'm gonna tell you right now, Luke, I'd like to jump into this one. But your boys and nobody they know this ain't happening. So the point I'm saying back to that right when Pot got a death row, it gave him the street look. He needed to certify where he needed to go to catch up with a dog, to catch up with dog, that's what mattered. Like, that's not me.

Somehow it's being considered like I'm disrespecting him or I don't like him, and I'm like, yeah, I just you feel me. Let me ask you something. If you believe that, if you believe Snoop was bigger than Pop after you are, that's my point. He said equal, You said equal, he said and he gave a specific year range. Man, he did?

He gave the year range. Did you you premiered this video in early July to like a packed house at a spot here in l A. What was the immediate initial reaction once you played that video in front of a couple hundred people. So that was funny, right, So people came out. I had a big Diesel truck for me with the video, and people knew they was coming out to watch a video. So when I announced the name of the video, I was like, like, y'all came to check out my video. I'm finn to premier my video.

It's called Tupop Must Die. I'm first off. As soon as I said that, it was like a gas for air. I remember everybody it was all kind of you know, anybody like I tried to make it small, but a variety of people like that was my goal to get women, just a variety white people or anybody. And when I said that it was a gas for air, I said, I'm a player for y'all once then I'm explained to you and I played for you again. Played it the first time. People just was glued to it. But you

could tell people was talking to each other. They didn't know what to think. They were just like devastated, like what is going on? And they watched it and some people got it and people started clapping like, oh, this is crazy. So then I got on the mike and I started explaining, like this was the idea. I feel like people don't understand what it's like being a game member.

The pressure, you wonder, it's not just this extra level of provido like you think it's a It's a fear and a dire need to protect your reputation at all costs. I explained what I was thinking with the concept and what I you know, had hoped to get across with the song and video. Um. I played it again and then everybody clapped at that point, um because at that point now they kind of understand it a little more.

And I said this many times. If Or London would have went back to the hood, he was facing a lot of ridicule because niggas would have been you ain't on what you said, you is you let a rapper whoop your ass and you know, you know you know how to home better than anybody. You know how we go, Yes, exactly. The homeless is the cruelest joke and they is the work, Like, No, that's not a laughing matter at all. It's serious because now you gotta clean and fight for your everything, your ship.

You know he got packed out though to say, but it don't matter Tupuc took off to everybody. Nobody gonna say nothing that wunch you out, fuck you up. That really ain't nobody gonna have a joke for that. Nig's gonna say the real mom you're gonna you know, right, like if Drake and fired on me, it's like different, Yeah, it's didn't I have to compare Tupaca. Lord, let me rage.

Hold up, I'm saying somebody not of the culture, not of the culture, if they punch you out and ship and it don't matter that the real motherfucker's end up getting at you. It's the first motherfucker. Ain't they got the damn take people would have been playing the tape. If you get into what your old lady, you just say that when Tupac did that, ship like, it ain't gonna even matter what sugar nobody else did to you. It's only gonna matter that whole situation is gonna turn

into one person sucking you up. So that means all Orlando talked about after that fight is I gotta get this fool. All he thought about, all the thought about, I gotta get to me right now. That's all I want to be thinking about. This is the coldest thing is that that the homies really didn't think that he was gonna come back like that, that it was just gonna happen right then and there. Oh man, it wouldn't

have been no other opportunity though. Yeah, left six six to they could have posted it up, yeah, but it would have been more difficult to when it came back to Compton and made it happen that So, I mean, he could have did something, but just for that to happen, you gotta know where it from. You packed me out. I'm coming back, that's all. And everybody got to understand that that's the war. The way he did it. The warped. Do you know they were that close to giving up,

And that's what I said. They were that luck up and my son dra told me they didn't want to do it. Well, that's what the new conspiracy or the new thing is that they were going to do a to ask for a fair one. I'm not talking about

that I'm not talking about that. I'm not talking I'm saying, yeah, well, d yeah, yeah, well Dreda said he, Now you know what would have happened if day to pull a Sugar over and they got out of the car and said they wanted fair you got I don't if y'all would have popped off, they would have popped off on top and everybody, you know, everybody got life twisted and think that this was on the strip, exactly on the strip, of it was off the strip, Flamingo and Cold. It

wasn't that the strip, but it was traffick traffic. Then you would have on the strip where you see everything where you ain't beinna pull up on the strip on the fight night and then turn off and then she'll be able to busting you and you just ain't doing that in traffic. But when Sugar tried to park to the hospital, didn't he end up going on the strip and went back. So it is easier the way it went down. So but a lot of people say it

was on the strip. What it is? Right? When you were saying that, right, he was like, this is what glasses doing. No glasses just thinks like right, I'll read I could be chilling in the hood. I'm gonna read. I'm reading right, I'm reading, so I'm always thinking, I'm always processing. So sometimes when I say something right, it looks crazy. Like when I would say robbing is better than shock, right, that just sounds obsurd because shock is this mountain of a man. Feel me, you you look

at him. You know it's the favorite title, the most dominant. You know, you hear all these things, right, but thinking man like. So when I said it to him where he's like, m shock and Shock is gonna cust me out about this. But Shock tell me two things Shot do better than this robbing? Scoring is one. What is the other thing? No, he doesn't. Uh, it wasn't rebounded

and it wasn't close. He probably a better fit, though, shooter, even though shot about the same, He say, uh, but the scoring part it was it was a big difference. Drawing defenders though, yeah, double because you didn't have to play bags offered then and they kicked it out to who they lagged off for him aggressive though, when he's more than that. Right, So right, we we we disregard offense right because we look at offense right as shooting

and scoring I'm scoring rather and passing. Okay, there's this thing called offensive rebounds. It's probably the most damaging thing you keep doing all back into when you get it down. Fam Me right, fam me right. So this is the greatest offensive rebounder every percentage. Right, he's by far the best rebounder ever, especially of you know, modern errors rebounded and defen but then it in offensively. He was the greatest offensive rebounder ever. Now Howard sent this to you, right,

you you're talking about Michael Jordan. Now everything I say sound crazy. Michael Jordan came back in They lost in the in the semifinals of the Eastern Conference, not even the finals, the semifinals. Michael back. Michael came back. He came back in the playoffs of that year, came back at the end of the season. Right, So they lost, And it wasn't because Michael Jordan came back. It was because for years and years, right, the Bulls had an

answer defensively for everybody else that could dominate at that level. Right, You, aink wasn't necessarily a big dominant center. He was a good, you know, smooth guy. For that most part. They can guard everybody power four down the first time the Bulls ran into somebody they couldn't guard with Shaquille O'Neil, he put them out immediately right, they couldn't guard him. They get Dennis Rodman the next year they destroy him in the same finals. Dennis Rodman broke three two to three

different game offensive rebounds. So that means you're throwing up bricks enough to where this man got ten, But you're leaving out the point that Michael's back and you're healthy. It was he wasn't never unhealthy. It wasn't It wasn't about him. He couldn't guard shock. It don't matter what but but but what happened. We just talked about the point about the point, right, But that's the that's the

topic we're talking about. Glasses, glasses talking about He says very controversial things, but maybe it makes a little sense of what you're saying, and it makes a lot of sense. That's the reality. Like a lot of you know, the greatest fifty players, Is Dennice wronger than the top fifty, Yeah, he's not. He shouldn't be because because you're just counting defense and I'm not just just just accounting defense. On every championship team has that lockdown defender, then without that

lockdown defend, the you're not getting the ring. The Lakers. It was Rick Fox. This was a great uh um defensive player, but he's not remember when the best player as that's their wrong though it's okay for the people, it's okay for even some of the best professionals to be wrong. Was good, Like I'm saying, his job was different and he did his job better because he specialized in rend You always a center that double tream sometime

triple team. I think Shaq, I think Shaq, and I bet you his rebounds is not that far far off that. But the point I'm saying that even the point, the point I'm saying is everything I say comes across like people say controversial. It's not. I'm not really not think he said in reading Look look for that to happen. But that's the thing is because if you tell the truth, that's what it's really like. If you stop trying to make people like you and start saying what you really think,

this is what you're gonna get. No, no, no, no, not that doing something totally. You know, some people can't imagine if you saying what you really think all the time. I mean, I'm saying all the time, but imagine if your girl comes out right, if your old lady come out wearing his outfit and you're like that motherfucker, is she like you like it? And it's she like what you think? It's the ugliest motherfucking like you know what you need to jump to my wife and everybody else,

But it don't look right to me. No, that's and see the point is that's what inspired me, as funked up as it sounds, to go through what I'm going to do, because if every last person where you grew up listening to the people you grew up respecting, it is just honest. My big Homeaine never said nothing to make me like him. I went out like a mark. That ship was like call just like that me. You

were not like a mark. It was like, you know what, you could have put up a better effort when they was tripping and really represented yourself, you know, and next time it's no, man, you're Mark, get your ship together. It ain't never been. I don't, I don't. I didn't get coddled. I'm not coddling the public. I'm not gonna say something to make them feel better about me, Like if you if you care about the truth, I'm gonna give you the best version of it that I know.

Give me. Actually, have you ever thought that you might get a little somebody might come at you one day in a firefucking way forward the title of the song, Uh, somebody that you know you might be somewhere let's say them all and some cats say, oh that that dude that did the video on Tupac and feel that that you just how you ever felt like your ship might be in danger one day? But that way for walking

with being a crypts, Well, think about it. Right when I first came in the game, you don't, you don't feel like that's walking on them all? Being a blood broke your wall at, choking your cutters everywhere. You ain't you ain't gonna, but you worry. You watch you keep talking, keep going. I'm going through and I'm in my court, and I got a red hat on. I'm not damn because I'm going down not a second and hoover, I'm keeping my hat on. I got my gun right, I'm

gonna keep my shirt on. But you got your head on the swivel. Okay, you on the swivel, so that that's the that's the answer to the question. The answer is I'm not taking off my red hat for nobody now if well, I was just responded by saying, that's how you feel, he said, because of the song. I'm just saying, then you have to give up your crypok car too if you got me all that way. And that's that's all I was saying. No, No, people got a better understanding. Now we're trying to We're trying, yeah,

because I mean we asked some good questions. Yeah, yeah, fantasy and and and like always you come off like a like like a king, and and I like how you talk, very articketed. So but what I'm saying is, like I said on first, I want people to really understand you opposed to Oh no, don't judge me because I made this title. I want people to understand why you actually this is the song. This is why I said it. You feel me. It ain't just to make Tupac look bad. I did it because I want people.

I still don't understand how Tupac look bad. Well, if you take other people, other people's their perception of what Tupac might die, must die that means a whole that opens up a can of old different ship. It's not what you what you think. I'm not saying Tupac must die because he already I'm not. I'm not saying it it was the person. But you're right, it was the

person who got jumped. But you right at a certain place is it probably is a bit a lot of people to take it could have ensued if it was the one that didn you're seeing a lot of people would have probably been cool with that. What do you think about the title Baby Lane Rides for his set? Does that set? I'm saying titles? That was still kind of the best title, right, The best title right was what it was. That was what that was. That was the being pressure. But but James doesn't like Tupac must die?

What not that I don't like it. I just don't understand why would you come up with a concept said as so harsh? My whole thing would have basically, but I'm understanding where it comes. It's just first person. It was about me, like once I watched the video once that was it. I get it. And the story Okay, you get it. Other people don't get it. That's why he's here. Because you got maybe a million months. I'm actually a little shocked, don't under the backlash. To tell

the truth. What's funny is because I saw the video, I don't even have to be you don't like this. Wait a minute. Tupock didn't even have to be. It didn't even have to be. Everybody don't have to it didn't have to be like even like Tupacs because he was too close to ship. It's like this Reggie says ship on bump first that I disagree with all time when he say this something such, mother should be dead

at tripping off. This guy death like that, we as we as people have not just a black man, but we as people gotta got at least respected dead, you know what I'm saying. And then this mother fuck over here? Did this motherfuck over here there any game man? You respect biggie more than you respect to you? Goddamn line. I don't. I don't hate now, but no called me and didn't. Nobody said the only thing I said about biggies he didn't deserve to die and Tupac's shouldn't have died.

And that's the difference. I just said that. I hope you caught that when I'm worried about people's receptions. I'm telling you how I feel about it. See, and that's my point. So when you walk in this same mode, now this is you like my o g ummies, that's the mode I'm walking it. I'm not thinking twice about people and they I have to think to myself, right, what's really disrespectful? The title is insensitive at his best, right that I mean, at his worst. That's the worst

thing I can figure out. That's the song. I never disrespected his name, his legacy. I never called him on his name, all the stuff that you really say when you really finish you the motherfucker from somewhere else. I didn't never say it because I wanted to make sure

the concept was objective as possible. That's why I don't have a problem with what happened to Biggy, because it's crazy this because what he's saying that he was from the other side, something that that that that I was with at the time that die and setting them have died,

you know, wasn't a real more. Is it time? Is it time to just start just saying like this ship it's all senseless these for no reason at all, Biggy with no like no real things like they said Tupac when no real goddamn thugs like he was saying, he was he was winning and he was buck Wow. True enough, anybody can be like that. Anybody can be like that.

But you know, cats gotta twisted. You can't just go to a hood today at thirty five forty and say, just when I'm playing my feet, what's up home with that? You ain't having that? They accepting it now. It is weird and that's why she is so fucked up. Now, I agree. People people are getting shot and women are getting shot because they're sitting in the car with a red shirt on. Can't pull up and don't like that red shirt. Come on, man, game banging this wrong concept.

What's funny is well, so I'm not you know quite where y'all at. But everybody I knew what we from. I grew up with him. Yeah, we knew each other, moms, it's a whole another relationship. I mean, like, plus you got you're from a smaller hood where it's more tight net. Everybody probably on that whole. It was like I should just like that too. But see you when you have family from different different backgrounds, you know you got cousins.

That's you know, crips are my cousins is blood and then you got damning every blood catch you know, it's working with a female in the crib neighborhood and you meet this motherfucker and that motherfucker. That that's how it was back then in the day. Now, my boy, you've been that catched me over there hanging out and sitting on nobody porch and they know who you is. You're gonna get your capaire. How do you go when you go over to the south side when you used to

go southide? I go over there right down today. I go over there right now today. I pull up, I get out, I go, I sit on the porch and and and I talked to Pam. You know what I'm saying, that little Yanks has come through And don't say nothing. If I'm being disrespectful, you gotta right to come at me that way. But when I go through your hood, I'm going through there for one reason, one reason only to deal with my daughter and have a conversation with

her mama. And then I bounced, I'm not on something that was fifteen years ago. I bypassed uh my daughter up to go shoot at these cats this way, Burris are that way. It was totally different back in the days. You feel me. So it's it's you know, it's just how how you are. You know, it depends on what your character is. So money is right, is um? It used to be like that right when I grew up, Like you had to really be from around the way to even be down like you you couldn't be from there,

like if you wasn't from around the way. The first time in life, right that I've seen. So when I'm cutting my chops, I gotta put on that fifteen. When I'm cutting my chops, I'm doing everything grad I get out of high school. I'm hustling every day, game banging every day, doing the norm. You know what I'm saying, Like whatever we're doing. One of the one of the people I respected the most, This dude put me on.

His name was Moto, called him psych or rest in peace, and he brought a guy over to the neighborhood to getting courted on. This man about years old. We're almost the same age. Come to find out, this man with from me is close at one time. So he's like, man, this is my boy. I've been messing with him. You know, we need to get him courted on. How this nigga grown like from the rule. So I was explained that this ain't how this works. No, gee, you know it's different.

You know when I'm you know when I'm telling you, he's sild, he's solid. I'm like, this man, a grown ass man. Why would even a grown ass man want to be from a game? So me and him bump heads about it. But you know, to a degree, he's like my superior. He's somebody that put me on being off the porch to the same. Maide what I mean. But he a year or two older than me, but we he was off the porch when we was eight nine. He was already doing that left. He had already dropped

out of school for me. They was already shootingiggas when I was in high school for me. So let me explain to you. I have no idea why the homie really liked him. He just liked this nigger. Long story short. They court him on and they give him the hood name. So he named after you know, hunters have a teachert his name is Gangster seven. Right, So I have this weird feeling the whole time, like man, this ship crazy. I didn't you know, shot up ship and fought niggers

and did all kind of done that ship. And this motherfucker come over here two days and be named after the neighborhood for me, and he might as well be feel me. So I felt some kind of way, but I set up because motto was my guy. Whatever, some bullshit happens. Homie get killed some all you know in hood stuff, you know, I mean on homies. Yeah, so it's all it ain't number a hundred on me. So it ain't like we can afford this type of ship to happen. Long story short, This motherfucker end up causes

so much hav it, you know what I mean. So one of the homies got killed here told on another homie, all kinds of ship, it destroyed everything. Well, that's welcome to the neighborhood. Every neighborhood has basically the same h ship going on. It's just a cycle. You go to the hood. You have homies that don't like homies because and think when the cocaine came out, that really turned everybody against each other to stop disliking and trusting each other.

So when that happened, now every year you got worship. With worship, it was like going to school. You know, you go to school. When I was going to school, everybody at school was a roet. He left him grade, John, Doug, Lee, Calvin, all of them gone. So now I'm working with cats. I really don't know. I ain't really gonna go every year it changes, it changes and the changes. So when you get cats like that, have you ever been to

the county jail. When you go to the county jail, when you get homies like that, and in the blood, Montrea went like this, where are you from, hom I'm from Wood to woo Woo. Oh? Is that right? Hey, Rock, you gotta hold me down there? From Wood to woo Whoo. What's his name? Oh? He said his name is on Crazy about Bone. Ain't got no ho many name, Crazy bad Boon. You racked the gate. Come down and look at that cat. I don't know this motherfucker. You know

what happens to that guy. He's gonna be sitting on the toilet getting his ass whooped with some house shoes. He's gonna get put in the fourth sack. He's gonna get his ass whooped, and then they're gonna telling me. You You can't go eat the child, because hey, all funked up and you're gonna sit in there claiming something you had no business claiming. And don't nobody know you. Now,

I can tell you a whole bunch of stories. And there's a lot of predators out there that no and nigga's that went to the penitentiary and started from that game, mind you, from that walking that line. Just on the main line. Man, it ain't it ain't for the average cat. It ain't for the average cat. Those cats, uh, they they eat you up. But at the end of the day, at some point the respect and the rules went away. And that's when and that's why this game banging, it's

it just diminished. It's gone. And now you haven't you know, the youngsters don't respect the o gs. Where the ogs can sit here and talk to you and tell you, boy, if you go to Chino, you go to Chino East, you go to Chino West, you better not somebody to funk out. Don't sit there, don't don't let them take you over there. This yard ain't for you or or you don't have the discipline, the discipline and all that

ship is gone. So what is the neighborhood with no discipline, no structure, and no respect, no one of the things that Glass has mentioned. This guy did not grow up on hundred seventeen. And I think every hood is gone through this, because when I was young, everyone in that neighborhood grew up there, went either elementary or at least middle school, junior high for the majority. I want to ask you, James, when when did you first realize a dude from my parule that didn't didn't grow up over here.

I will tell you were going count yeah even category, I'm I'm gonna tell you did he grow up over there? He grew up, he live lived in the This dude did not live on the seven, didn't live near hundred seventeen, didn't live I had never seen this man in my life until he was twenty two. Literally when he came to get put on. But the big homie Gronken, my guy brought it. Okay, okay, So that at this point, now you're in the hood, we gotta figure out what

type of catch you is, how you get down. So now we're in this mother vehicle and of your business. You know how you're gonna handle his business if you're gonna start reaching out the window with his wrist twisted sideways and his head on the dashboard. He ain't with the business. If you give a catapistol and for sure you give a catapist. When he opened the door and get out and come to you, he went the business. He ain't worried about running. He ain't worried about being changed.

You remember the first time somebody that you didn't know was from over there, Like, it wasn't somebody kid, it was somebody. We had Buster week. And I think every neighborhood and the two thousands has gone through this where I've had people admitted me in an interview saying, oh, yeah, I didn't grow up over here. I met one of the homies on the bus one day and we was close, and I just started taking the bus over there and and started kicking it in their hood. And these are

people who never grew up over there. Wasn't related to them, but they went into gang bang so bad that they found a way, They found a hood that would accept them. And you know what, the cold had tattoos from other games,

had it on their body. And when we find out when they did that, they had exactly the exactly you know, I'm gonna tell you this right now, the day at fifty something, my age at fifty something, the majority of my my my good cats, my my rider dies that I give anything and my life for it, or crips or crips you know I'm talking about right now today. Even back then, them and all of these cats on street was was like family to us. So this is how we knew not to change, you know what I'm saying.

And we didn't talked on this show about running and Billy turnup Seed and all of those cats. Those are still my prayers right now in the duck today, run rest in peace, you know what I'm saying. Craig Teddy and all of them Cash still see them was happening, you know what I'm saying. I walked straight through the alley, go through the alley, through the through their little back gate right there with a little houtset and and just sit up under that shade tree on my fucking day.

But I ain't in the pivot, so I don't even run go on. So is I see you when I see you type of ship. But when I'm saying this, you know, and I know a lot of game fangers out there today. Relate to this ship. You know, a lot of the opposite are real, real closer and we'll give you and do for you, help you more than your own people. Well, to be honest, you gotta think right.

My career started right. Um. The first person that helped me get in the rap game, right outside of my brother, who is a brand from fruit Town, right, is my

boy Tone rest in Peace from Village Town. Right. So Tone looked out for me, took me to the West Side to me folks and Shock Wink from the West Side, right, So they like how I got now because when I went to their hood, I was wrapping my wraps and I didn't take out if I said because the crip, I didn't take it out because I'm like, I'm not gonna take it out once I walk over here, and then later don't have to wrap these raps, and you nigga think I'm not gonna say it. So if it's

gonna be something, it's gonna be something while we're here. Now. It's always like that, you know what I mean. It's always like that, and you can't take it out. You can't take off your red hat. I'm gonna use that to the rest of that. You can't you drop. You can't take it off because it's too late. Now, if nig you're gonna take it off, he got you. So I wrapped it and it was love, you know what I mean. They showed me love. They took me to me face and game. So now I'm in the cedars.

Now you know, I'm meeting Dan, I'm meeting uh white boy, I'm meeting a frog, I'm meeting everybody, right, yeah, so everybody knows why I'm at this point. So these are more power rules that's helping me. Right. So they put me in position to get a record deal, right, So fucking with him every day, shout out to big Face looking out for me, putting me on g ride. They take me to the West Side. Now they're doing all of the stuff with the West Side. So now I'm

meeting all of their homes. This is how my career has went. It has literally been bloods and power rules helping me. When I got my record deal, I got my record deal with mac Tin from South Side, right, so but mind you my brother, right, So my whole career has been blood or pop rules helping me. That's how it always has been. That two people to be able to because this gang bang and ship, it's not as powerful as we get. It's not as proberful as

it used to be. And and I've gained a lot of my friendship and a lot of guys that I work with that are still my friend right now today from the way it used to be. Back then, you had structure. Back then, you have family members that dealt with you know the other side. None of that mattered, you know what I'm saying. That wasn't even a discussion. I just stole cars with these cats. You know what I'm saying. It went to jail with these cats. It's

totally different what you have today. You don't have these young cats out here and don't respect nothing that that even sound like. O G. You know what I'm saying. And some of the some of the problems is some of the O G s ain't don't look rapped the boat like they should or or got it like they should have had it, should have it, So they don't have respect for you if you look like you ain't ship. But the ones that got the nice cards and got the reason and the girls, that's the O G. What's up?

O G? I want to be just like that, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, now I'm stereotyping ship because if you ain't ship and you walk in and you can still be swollen and just walking through the hood, you ain't the big homie no more. You ain't the o G. If these kids just respect what they see, I supposed to stop listening to the ship. You're here happy to cats that that I knew, you know it was was smoking cocaine and going to prison, back and

forth to prison for violations. I didn't like that because here we are out here putting their work, doing our things, living this life, and you're sitting in the motherfucking jail. Sell. Then you come home and then you get the good treatment. What's up, big homie? What's up here? I got just for you? And then you went back in the same cycle. So the ship that you have now, it is totally different than seventy nine. Let me ask you a better question.

I know you're supposed to be talking to me. They may ask you both of y'alls from around the way, right, my people, Olita, she's my like my auntie has stayed on Panis forever. Right when did was the was lots in the mob ever together. Yeah, it was always Loti Park mob before. You didn't see a breakup, you just seen mothers. Just it's just not really, you didn't Hi, nobody lost their lives behind the split. Everybody on the outside. The split was early on, in the early seven so

it's just that. Yeah, So everybody that was on outside was just you didn't get You didn't get Loutis Park, Loutis Park, because that's all it was. Right now. If I go to prison, right now, I'm going straight Louis Park. That's that's that's how I was always bad. Everybody represented Loudis Park, Ludus Park was coming is the mother is the its home as far as so for everybody. So what happened was is you didn't you didn't get this drag out ward and you can't start shooting each other

and only just other bullish it. What you had was like on our side of the town, everybody was just it was on the hunt and we were just those guys were doing anything and pretty much north north of Rose, but I didn't south of But I always so growing up right, you always thought of it as Loutis Park, MA, But I never realized when to the point to where, like I said, if I go check out with term, if I go HOLLI that like I said, when when

z BO was a lot of different people. That only difference of it is now is because they put these boundaries on this before you before way before that bush. Now is because you got the mob and lotus park Warren or beefing with each other whatever. Down is different now,

that's totally different down down. If those guys on in the hood, like the little homies, they're going to prison and all this, they're straight and ob you know what I'm saying, Because if if you wasn't taught or or just seeing and learn what you saw and move that way, then you'll never understand what the funk you're representing or

what you're doing. We understood that ship, and you know when these cats was doing drive bys, I was like, this is why the funk everybody keep getting cooked because the police is looking for that car and speeding and burning rubber and ship. Okay, let's do it tonight. Tonight. We're just gonna take our time and just drive pop and just driving away police. Ride right back to June, June June, and you're back in the hood. So, like I said, man, it's totally different from what it is now.

You shouldn't even say the hood because you got If you got two hundred homies in the hood, you got thirty three clicks. You got niggas, and each each click and they're gonna be ready to take this nig and take this nigga. And this is from the same hood ship. You know what I'm saying. Back in the days killing homies and all of this other ship was just you might have this cat killed this cat over abroad or whatever.

Now you got homies killing homies and setting them up because he got the dope and he got this and he got that, and I wanted I just didn't know how to go get it. So I'm gonna try to get it the easy way. I'm gonna try to rib his ass, you know what I'm saying. And these is cats that you broke bread with. Mama, No mama exactly, You're just sending my how I spend the night you didn't show with here. Now you're gonna kill me. This is what you got today. There's no respect, there's no

loyalty whatsoever. You still got some cash that this is my fam bam from day one, So I just like, that is it all because some people got money and some people broke? Would you would it be fair to say, like when they brought in the economics of like, but when the cocaine came, Yeah, it changed everybody mind. Mats Ron was my riter, dot rider, dot nigger. And when as soon as they fucking sat came and I sent it and and it was quick to sell and people was minded. Ship man. I left him in the garage

and I bounced. I was doing my fucking thing. But then I just like sit down, like am I left the homie. I felt sucked up. And right now in the day. I tell mats Ron every day from when I when I realized that I I chose to sell cocaine over him my my friendship. I tell him every day. I apologize to him every time I talked to him, because that was that was and still is one of my bestest friends. He didn't stop me from doing a lot of ship that that I would have regretted the

next day. And that's a that's a true friend because he was on the same motherfucking pages as I was. But we ain't gonna go out on the stupid ship. And this is when I had to understand. Okay, but I left him in the in the in the dust for the cocaine. So when the cocaine came, everybody got the motheruckers started going to the warty mother fucker's started going to to to fucking Denver. Now this I'm making

my money, Fuck you, Nickas. So when some cats came back and and had this money, was getting low riders and all this other ship, You're right and that I was looking at you like this and they was supposed enough waiting for you to walk in the house and had to had your girl at that point. I mean you had some you you got some shysty cats out there.

If you if you start being nice to him, you better stay nice to him because when you stop it, that's when they're gonna try to end as you something you ever took some dopebot somebody like go to jail and go home? No as a cop. I was really Look, they didn't get me a bad because I would have been taking a r you know. Just anybody ever tried to bribe huh, anybody ever tried to bribe you? Bribe me? No, like to stop him going to jail. No, not not not no bride, But I mean because I think it's

his thing. I think it's the thing with people say like, man, he might be a dirty police officer, and I'm like, I don't think so. I wasn't you would have never quit your job. Well, I got hurt and I got a medical retirement because I messed up myself in an accident.

And then I had the death row stuff and the l Rake theater that happened and all of that, some things that I wished I would have never done, and I had a different path, but I didn't get I didn't consider myself dirty or doing anything illegal, even when I you know, everybody know I've been arrested and stuff like that for for sales and marijuana. Um, it's still hard. It's still hard for me to swallow and and admit now and to say that I was dirty doing that

because I started off in dispensaries, which is legal. You so the whole we think is so legal. And and then guys from a different area that I grew up with, I didn't deal. Now. One dude and from the mob area that I grew up with knew I was in the game. I was dealing and with Grace Street does and I did. That just becomes them coming in the dispensary and the connection with with what guys in the um, you know, the dispensary and stuff like that, and it just grew and grew and grew to the point where

they start standing across the state lines. May attached you to it, and then I got attached to it. So I'm still like one of those like that's the most part of it is st to walk around with six pounds of marijuana on me? So why didn't you? I mean and not this signish question. Do you think that degreed took you across state line? Uh? The more money? Yeah, that but mainly because California not really are the cities not even the state of California. The city's not having

any rules in place. I had a bunch of dispensaries they weren't mind individually I was connected to. And each monthy you come and one getting shut down, they shut them down. They shut them down. I ever really taking nobody more. Hey, land lord, stop written to him taking away if if you continue to rent to them, So now you got all of this product he got guys that pretty much been eating off you, coming to you and saying, hey, what youll take this ship out here

and triple it up. I wouldn't even really tripping it up. I was just giving it to them at at at California rates. Oh so you didn't get caught driving like that. Somebody else was taking phones and and and then their transactions because now I need to get the money back. Police officer, you do not use your regular phone. And it wasn't ready. It wasn't ready. It was everybody knowing

who Up was. And then they figured out who UK was. Yeah, I read that right, a k uncle, that's some crazy punk as we I'll give you a pass on that one man, just like at least I we're gonna go down and go down for at least ain't gonna be gone for that. He even went down, I couldn't. I couldn't even look my people in their face knowing if I was doing something else. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That wasn't so it's funny, right, So I grew up. Most people don't notice. I grew up in watts and

in competent. My mom had a house in the wrestling forms. Pops lived on on the seventeenth. So I've been back and forth my whole life. So your pops, like, you know, you had a real standard reputation and he wasn't just like I'm gonna just ruin your life, like he gave people chance and he was that was the thing. And thence for for me to mess up his name like that.

Getting garden was used a fucking checking account because I kept getting my accounts closed, you know, because the banks they keep saying so many cash transactions going into your accounts. They charge you for that. Man, I don't think most people noticed. But when you bring murch money back from the shows and tour, they charge you. If you bring cash into the bank, so much cash they charged even if you can show you just put in your shape

at home. How do you get it? Because you don't really trust niggers out there, you don't really know him, and all of that, they ain't driving it back. I mean, the game is that another it's it's money orders. It's so many different ways that to do it. But then you got Niggs on the other end. I saw those deposits, none of them were over ten thousand. Yeah, that's smart. You can't have cannot well you get reporter. You can,

they just have to report. All right, glasses before we wrap up, just tell us where this video is taking your career and what else you got going on that we can expect from you. Shit, I don't know. Are you happy where this video is taking you? Um? Because we talked about that. What's next? You gotta play, you gotta play. I want to know if any major, if any uh yeah, was off, then it's but it's not. Wasn't it was. People don't want to say, they don't want to admit it work. But you know, it's funny.

It ain't even about it that on the line it worked. What's funny is it's not even about if it works. All I cared about was it good when you watched it? Did you feel well? You can go to sleep thinking like that, But let me tell you for real, for real reality is the ship is what it is now. It doesn't sunk into everybody, So you move on from that and do what you gotta do. I'd be a co bs if I tell you otherwise, So I wouldn't tell you don't get your money because everybody out here

is getting their money some kind of way. So if that made it work, for you, then you roll with it, get your money, But it don't have nothing to do with your integrity and all that the ship At the end of the day, who wouldn't have took the shot? Plus you can't predict what kind of deals were gonna come your way as a result. I'm not taking the record deals. My thing is what I'm on, like what you're saying, I'm on some ship. Like my goal for this is all said none the Catholic Church will be

protesting my ship. So how you get paid? How do you get paid and keep it going if you ain't trying to do a record that they have other whites. So we're in a different time right where you know what I mean? Like the song, the video itself made twenty dollars already, the song makes so much money from theople always different than YouTube, So right, vivo is a different current, Like it's more it's a rate, right ast a different rate. Um, you can make money, Like I mean,

I'm glad. I was glasses malone before I put out the song. So I was charging people three or four thousand for a verse or fourt thousands for show regardless, Um, that ain't really changed. You know what I'm saying they don't bigger right now, no, because it ain't really that kind of so that it's not that kind of song. It's more or less people know that you know, you're so honestly, like, what's crazy is is not really what

surprised me. I thought for a while, I was like, man, people gonna chip off this, but I'm gonna put it out because I know it's real and I know it's good. Well fucked me up is how many people realize how good I am at storytelling them. That's the thing that became more important. I never got credit. Most people didn't know that I was good at what I did, you know what I mean, people just didn't matter. So you gotta take risk and gamble right for people to see

that you're good at your craft. That's the thing that mattered to me. It's you got the weird person that's like, oh man, he don't like Tupac And I don't really pay that no attention because it's just silly. But what I do focus on and when people say, like, yo, I really slept on how good you are at this ship and it's not. And that's why I need you to answer right now because it's a lot and and and I go back and forth with the age brackets. But two people songs that you got that were your

good hits. Man. I had certified with a con that was a top fifty record, right. I had Hays with a little wine and stunning, Right, that was big. I did like three hundred thousands on that. I had Sun Come Up. I had three number ones on West Coast Radio. I had a song in the top fifty. I just had that good about four years ago. Um, I had it did decent, It wasn't it didn't performance great. It was more or less a field. I was more proud of it because I produced that with the hummies. So

making music meant something more than me. Like the more I get into older music, I want to make music like like the dramatics, So I want to I make music so like it ain't just the rapping. It's more like all right, putting together a record, playing the based on it myself. Have you ever thought about, just like you just did this Tupac video and this is this is a cool as concept, chilling the gang story the way you really see it and putting it out there

to where it really is a lot of people. You've got millions and millions of game bangers living in all different type of ways, that been through all different types of situations. You ever just thought about focusing on the way gang members live and just just doing that story. That can be a rap, that could be a many, that could be a movie, that could be a any It could be a documentary. Is man like I've made what kills me about this? Right? But sifically that's a

good idea too. What kills me about this specifically is I've made this damn song three or four times. I have a song called car Wastse right that talk about that's telling people that's trying to be in gangs like you're gonna end up being a car watse. I'm from a land world. Man's life is worthless. Every coner in my hood got a church or churches, folk projects where little kids play shirtless and shoeless and being tootless. Get

your askmur quick. Even merchants is strapped inside their businesses. School called parents every day about the tendencies, but mama stuck because her son ain't interested in paper. Let's the paper gotta flick of Mr Benjamin Franklin Hankies hanging down from my bridges, homies, live life, to give money, cars and bitches. Oh can't forget Lacia, rivals up with stitches,

appetite for destruction. It tastes so delicious, it's vicious. Back and forth we go where the head of Faye turned into a funeral that might take a month if his family can't afford it. So this, the car Wash roll Through, comes supported like I've been making gangster music and not like not like dogs in them. It ain't party. My ship is the funked up part because I lost all my friends, all the niggas I grew with, niggas from around y'allwegh whether it's Drew Zabo, my nigga, Mikey Rule,

locked up doing life, I really lost friends. So all of my music talks about the pain. Even this song itself, too Parks I talks about the pain, the agony of how it is to be a part of this. Every song, I have very few songs that celebrate this. It's never privul it's never like oh, I'm the man. It's always like, damn man, I'm trapping this ship and I'm stuck. Well, we ain't heard a song like that that really puts

it out there and tell the story. Gangsterling was the last song I've heard, the only thing that I heard that's talking about the homie, and just really put it out there where when you go to a funeral you got at least nine motherfucker's playing that song. It's hard to make it because, like I said, man, people just

you know, they box the truth out. You know, they wanted from people that you got, certain people that make it look better, certain people like if you listen to No Disrespect, But if you listen to a watch the song, it's's it looks fun, it seems interesting. Man. We got stories. We can put it together that I was gonna ask. So hey, let's all let's continue. That's next week. Uh yeah, let's do it. You got a problem with no, I can't make the decision, and let's just do on topics,

not just talking about him. All right, I'm gonna wrap this up, glasses. Thanks for coming through. Really appreciate you, man. I knew it was gonna be. Go out there. Watch Tupac Must Do. It's on YouTube. Yeah, just google it Tupac Must Die. And uh that that'll wrap up another episode of the Gangster Chronicles. Thank you for everyone that's listening on Spotify on iTunes. Please send us your comments, questions, ratings, and reviews. We appreciate it. And also, don't forget about

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