The City Of Dope Ft. Too Short

not your average show. You're now tuned into the Reil m C eight, Big James and bixtails strictly from the streets. Hello jus from hood to hood or backyard of yours. We would like to welcome you to another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast with James. It's McDonald, m C eight and myself Norm Steel. You can listen to us on the I Heart Apple For iPhone users, go to the Apple podcast app subscribed. Dropped that five star rating

and leave a comment. We had the privilege of having a pioneer in the building the night he stepped on the scene of nine eight three and has been a fixture in the game since then. Were twin two solo albums, nine platinum and gold plaques under this belt. The respect of his piers, North, South, East, and West, he has

arguably the most successful rapper of all time. Yeah bitch has definitely made him rich, with a fan base that developed by slinging mixtapes to the Pence players and hustlers in the streets of cocaine rich Oakland, California, known as the City of Dope. His career took flight when he linked up with Jerry Hodges, the younger brother of Oaktown Ballerteer Hawks, owner of seventy five Girls Records. So j basically was like, yeah, you know, my brother own a

record label, and everybody knew who his brother was. His brother right by sitting every day riding by It's nive zip by the bins. You know what I'm saying, Come back down the hill on the brand new catalect last backed up in a different color catalec. We're like, okay, we know where that nigg is. You know, he got the he got the curl. Sometimes you like ride around with the colored rollers in his air, but sometimes he just let it down and he'd just be way beyond

you like that. That's that nigga. But he was a lot of niggas. That's big time. You could connect into something. You're like they that stay boys, that's where they. He wasn't. He wasn't a nigger like that. The Dean was a nigger who came up selling. Uh. He made all his little cousins road joints for him and he'd get a big ass bag of we like appoualtweed or something nigger like twelve years old and make all his little cousins road joints. And there was a joints they sold joints

after the projects. He turned that into a motherfucking empire of his his own ship. But the plug he would funk with, he wasn't really like the mob. He just was a nigga who had clientele. Like like his clientele was like his clientele. Wasn't you come to him? You meet him where he say me meeting me? He wasn't like running the organization, wasn't no staff and that he was just a baller so and he only so like big ship. So Jerry checked me up there to meet

his brother. You know, he kind of he's tried us to the left a little bit for a minute, and then we double back again, like we never would have got in if it wasn't for a little bro Like that's his little brother same, I'm the same, Daddy and Jerry get us up in there. That should just that. Semi five girls changed my old entire life, like getting

around Dean, getting around that hustle. He was a real fucking player, player player, like like real player, fucking this this kind of nigger that, Um, you find a stack of pictures, It's like naked pictures of all the bitches that you wish you had from all over the city, like d like, so that's that nigga. So he basically, um, he really got me that player game. He gave me the game on how to make a record. He didn't know how to make a beat. Their mother couldn't wrap

him and play instrument. But he he wouldn't make everybody teaching the game how to where you go to make the record, who you get to mix it, where do you go to get the artwork done in the in the album cover, Where do you go to get the ship master? Who who manufactures it? Who you take it to the ship it out the distributor, the fucking and then who you can take it too directly and then you go back like a paper round, just pick up

all the money. And I like, we did that ship for two albums and then they gonna let me ride side by side. We used to We used to put that come down in l a and bust moves. Uh pull up on niggas like ice tea and ship like. He was really like Dean was a real player. And in the end it was a beautiful thing because I come through his little brother. His mama ended up being like my mom and ship fucking it's a family thing.

We never signed the contracts, so when he it was like a hobby to him, and he was like, man, I'm through with y'all. We was in a cool position. He gave us the game and let us walk just free, and we just did the same thing. He did it all over again. That's how That's how I got in the game. We just duplicated where he showed us. We

started dangerous music. It's the same fucking thing. And probably talked talked you talked to you some games I mean supposed to do with the youngsters coming up, Like literally we took like about ten racks man and knocked that ship until about three hundred thousand over the summer sucking around with with the with the independent hustle. So why did you just say that he's done? Was he hurt? Was something going on with him? So Dan had did it like a little He did like a little year

in jail in like eighties six. We started working around eighty five and eighty seven when we shut it down. So he did like about a year. He came home from the year, and uh, I felt like, man, like you know you're coming home, yo, yo, hustle kind of get sat back a little bit and you're thinking, like ground level, I'm gonna build ship back up. He still had all the same plugs. I just feel like we was in the way. Man. He was like about to get back on his grind and do his thing and

that music. Ship. We was real dependent, you know what I mean. We was real like clinging and ship and and needed ship. And we all up in the nigger house and nigga that's a little broad and honey, and we came with a lot. I looked back then, was like damn, but you're gonna You're gonna kick us out of the game. But when we look back on and there he gave us the game. So yeah, he figured he had talked to you all. Y'all need to know.

He was about to get back on his house. And but yeah, yeah he got mad at me a little bro. I think he faked the whole thing. I think he just fake it, just fake like he was mad at us, like many fun out my ship. But we was free to go. Man, that's cool. And that was a crucial error back then. Man, that's Oakland apparently all that because both cities had major king pians. Man, what did you see as far as Oakland? Man, who was the what impact the crack had on the community up there? Like, well,

I'm high school eighty four, so I'm right there. Eighty four is when somebody, you know, okay, look go you eighty two eighty three. It's a whole lot of motherfucker's pulling up in their little bins or something. You know, you see like the older niggas and like niggas uh maybe you know free basing and ship. Man. You know, motherfucker would even say, yeah, you know, me and my beach, we'd be smoking. Man, I was I'm smuggling mother fucker was talking about that ship like it was ballers sh it.

So you're sitting there going that. So you're looking at you're looking at you nig saying free base and you're looking at free basing. It's like a fly thing in eighty three. So one day in eighty four, somebody goes on such and such block they saw this ship. You can you could just get a piece of that ship in free base for ten dollars. That's how the ship was like marketed at first, and motherfucker's flopped to that ship. They ran so high school class eighty four. Niggas is like,

if you got a few thousand, you're doing good. You're doing good. You you're cool. You you got a little car, you put some rams on your ship. You got a little bit and your ship you keep. You keep a fucking rubber band with a hunting on top, looking like you did somebody and ship. And you know, niggas respecting that your hustle. You keep a few thousand the shoebox under the bed. You're good. That's that's when that's so nigga. Right, you got a cool little car. You spent like twenty

only puts some wheels on. You gotta pay you cool, got an earl shot pain job, whatever the fun, you're cool. Niggas like respecting your your young hustle. Right after that, I remember just off one block like Plymouth. So many niggas got rich off that one block. And I'm not talking about niggas making a few hunt the niggas got richer. And then it just just everywhere there used to be a they used to sell herold. When they used some motherfucking sell weed. It was what ever, all them ships

turned out to be fucking cracks. I'm I mean, some niggas opened up shopping an apartments. When you start getting real. That had the two apartments where you could just you know, come into gatness. It's the only one, you know, the one way in, one way out. They let that man. Niggas got that ship popping. The other nigga showed up, not a few niggas down. That's when the ship started. It's just it's just it was like, give me your ship. Y'all ain't even toughen if they had just give me

give me your apartments, like it just boosted everything. Then high high schools, the money for yeah, just hanging on the block. Man, if I didn't go to school and ship school, I think I really, I'm shutting dope. That was the way to get it. But that ship turned into like like before that, it was like someone put them up ship. Look you know, let's sling it out or whatever. After that, it was like little niggas like this little nigga, you know, be a little nigga, like

I think it was a market in high school. That nigga was like a boss after that crack because you give got so much money and had a little army and ship like that, and it's a boss now and then't gonna get you hurt, you know, And that's still going on today. Money gives something a certain courage. But it was a long run of a lot of different rules before you know, the fucking clips and the fullies and ship. It was a whole different run of like street like that wasn't a crack crack, fun up the

funk up pool, a little liquor and roll something up. Chronicles, We'll be right back where are you at? This is o G Gangster Granny and the Gangster Chronicles podcast is back in effect. Get ready for some of that G Ship and Blaze up. Some wanna marrow everything. Let me ask you this, um, and this is mostly for chances for you too too. What's the difference? You think it stid the different Like you think you hit comp in the same way. Game. It's different, but you got the

same results it hit everything was. Everything is gonna be different because the way they got down in Oakland, the way you get down in Chicago is totally different. The way they wrapped their ship, the way they sell it. Um. Like in Compton, you had thirty month pucker's like on the block, but they was all homies. Everybody was like this at the beginning. Let's get a year in, eight months in it. Now everybody felt apart, and now we're fighting over that block, in that block. So and then

you get the same thing in Oakland. You got the same effect. Now there's over territory. You know what I'm saying. But the cold part is, you know something something got out of it because they couldn't deal with it. Like you said, the marketing at school. Now he got the money. Now I needed to shot caller. You had a whole bunch of them in the neighborhood. You know, there was the good boys and the good boys are always made

the motherfucking money man. But you can't be mad at that mother because you got the game banriage ain't trying to do that. They're trying to game back. They ain't focused like the next nigga was. So it's it's all pretty much the same way. All that. The conflict of interest in l A was the the nigga froend the hood who got too rich. Yeah, I mean you had your you had your certain things. Like you said, certain

niggas was hustlers like a motherfucker, certain neighborhoods. Every it seemed like every hood, you know, Compton or whatever, watch l A. Every hood had a couple of niggas who just had to sack them. Was just real, you know. And then you just had a couple of niggas like you said, James, it was a few of us. That was ten niggas on the block trying to rush the same cart this week. Yeah, so it just had it had the same hustle. The hustle I had a honey whom who was doing it was. It was real big

and he felt all the way to funk off. Just bad luck, bad luck, bad luck. And then think it was like and then he was like went the trenches with the motherfucking hoodie and the dressing all black and ship. Now this nigga went, but gotta somebody getting a kilo nigg and so that ship he sold a few kilos and all fucking rocks for until hetill he got money again. I think he just went. He went back from being he dropped his whole balling status. It went to be a corner nigg again. But he did it in a

baller way instead of like building his way up. He woin't got somebody front of my whole thing, family member whatever, and he just chipped away. This ship took some of are some of our old g's you gotta get back. That came that mentality to stay low key. You know, I've seen lots of dudes from my neighborhood and then Compton whatever who didn't play that. You know, you know the niggas was ballers and the motherfucker but they kind of went low key with the floss. You know what

I'm saying was talking about just doing pocket change too. Niggas' cool. Let me go set up the block for two days day, just pulling up and motherfucking pintos and ship. Motherfucking workshirts on and ship like that. That's even like the music business. Like when when y'all start rapping, you didn't see too many brothers in Compton, l a juried out and then when they started seeing it, everybody had to do it. Yeah, definitely, And that's all it is is the fucking train and

everybody said fuck it. Like you see that motherfucker roll with the rims on this ship. Oh, I got to go get that, but I'm gonna do something different. And that's how they was getting the biggest, fattest motherfucker's had, the baddest bitches and niggers would not the one thing that they should have did and you can't you know, hindsight whatever, but man, motherucker should have watched that money

up and nobody wanted to do it. I remember it being out there because it was so much money out there. My fund. I remember hearing the talkings like you can give your money to selling something something clean cut. Motherfucker who had a plan and he was like, give me your money and I'll give you half your money back. Legitimately set up in like businesses and ship in the bank and was like I'm gonna give you a mean, I was gonna give me five huney fuck you. Yeah,

it would have did that. You would have did that. You could have been We go to the shoe box with the ship and say, but you could have played the loan version better any day. We didn't. We wasn't taught a lot of that ship, you know, the white boy game with the with the going there making a lot of us was just talked to just stack the bread stack the bread stack to bread because it was straighting only one way exactly. I think, like Sure said, it was a man who came to him offering the

opportunity to watch this ship. And I think sometimes man nigga's just had they but point out making if collectively, if all these cities in America that got ate up by crack would have fucking insted the crack money back in the community, it might have been the way we see other ethnic groups take dirty back in Oakland. Because let's go back like seventy girls, I'm talking about buying up all the buildings on the main street. I'm talking

about buying all the houses on yo. Black type was some people that did and I ain't gonna say the dude's name. One brother did do it. They still washed them. Because I've been back then. You gotta figure out ship. Everything was set up in design for you do not succeed anyway as a black man, whatever your ship was. And you knowing how hard they came down on niggers who were serving and ship, they get your ass A thousand years and ship so real. It's a lot of

brother still locked up. You know, let's let's go this. Seventy five girls areas over with how you bump up to another dude to boh, yeah, that's that's the next level. So we come out the situation with Dean as me and his little brother. We bring on his first cousin, Randy, and we go looking around through West Oakland and East Oakland trying to find one of these big ballershood. Because now we got the formula, we're like, it ain't like when I pulled up on Dean, I didn't know ship,

and I'm learning ship. Now we know how to flip this ship. All we need now is the money. So I'm pulling up on the dudes that I've been selling tapes to for years. Motherfucker's no, I put a real record out. They know, you know, it's next level. So I'm like, bro, this this ship it flipped real easy. But it's nighties seven and the numbers. I'm saying, when you're telling the nigga, I can show you how we can hit a quick hundred thousand quick two and thousand.

That's just sounds like peanuts and them, and it's like they're laughing at me and Ship, like, nigga, you know how much I quick I make two and thousand? They got I go flip that ship in tomorrow. And I'm like, my nigga with so I'm getting. I'm like it's like I'm going from bank to bank. And niggas is like, now, I don't wanna, dude, I don't want to do it like Homies to like motherfucker's Like Con said at Homies, is like like, nah, it's a game was too new

for him and Ship it's like that new product. And show Ted had a he had one of his dudes and his crew was named Ali and he was like one of the loud motherfucker's, you know, just out talking and out laugh for you. Now how ship talk you and just just one of them motherfucker's And he he was like the hype man. And I wasn't there when it went down, but they said after how that tied me. And it was real cool through the through the tape hustle and ship and just you know, selling customary tapes

and you know what I'm saying. He was he was supporting the too Short Freddie B movement and then um um Ted was like, nah, I'm cool. And then we left and he said, Ali went into his uh the whole yelling and screaming. She's like that man's two shorts something. You know, if you knew him, you know when the loud motherfucker's to just be like, like, you gotta do that ship and talked him into it. So you know,

he came back. And I always say this that he agreed to spend like like a few geez like just to get the studio time to get you know, get your ship going. And then at some point there I don't know if the music or the hustle or what it was, he just without saying all right, man, I'm gonna spend teen or I'm gonna spend fifteen or whatever, he just started taking care of the movement. So you got eight ten niggas moving every day, we're hustling and ship.

But this nigga feeding all these niggas. This niggas, he like, we ain't gonna be riding around folk deep in the car. So he pulled out four cars all for his car. You got you dry that, We got lights and dry atmos and we're riding around in the caravan and the niggas like really making it look right. It wasn't just. It wasn't just like I'm a put your in the studio and he was making a nigga look right like nigga When I on the board of mac album cover, Nigga like sitting in his car. Put all this jury

on nigga, let's sell it. So that's what that was. And then we go to a show. We're pulling up mob deep flyass cars. You know, niggas is singing that ship going on, all that shortening him. So we set up, we set the standard to a certain level and we kept it there and then you know, it was it was just like that. The money started coming in. We got mo fly ask cards and we just we had that look. So you know, I put that on Tiar

that he made the whole born in Mac. We got we got to deal with drive off Born to Mac. He made that whole Born in Mac movement. Like look, real fly and the niggas you know at the time, coming out of like eight six, being around Dean Hodges and Dean's house. Dean was the kind of nigger who he got a big gas bank roll in this sock. He got a bag of heroin in this sock. He got some cocaine powder on this side. He got some cocaine rocks in this sock. He given everybody to come

in the house what they want. He given all the bitches what they want, all the mot It's like ballplayers, professional ballplayers coming up. He got the you know, he he's sitting down. You get to hang out with Dean, the bitches in the living room in the pan. But the bitch come walking up the hallway. Titty's out and she just walked back to the back of You're like, damn, you know he's that niggd. But everything is there, like soon as you come in, the cocaine is on on

the everything free. It's a big gas box of weed under the under the seat in the living room, under the chair. It's just everything is just like just just grabbing some papers, roll you joined, put some powder up in and take your line and walk back to the bat. It was. It was that in the studio the cocaine trade sat on the board at all times. He kept these old school musician niggers. They love that ship. This nigga over there whipping his in a little jar, hitting

the fucking pipe in front of everybody. They this browed over here, snorting eighty five lines and and you know what I'm saying, But how you working around? Now I'm nineteen years old, nigga. That ship was fun. I found myself in the movie. I was. I was looking at the movie writing about it. Now. In the Mother there was some balling ship. Back then, we wouldn't look to see. We didn't know the effects the crack until the fine brawls that was walking down the street and turning the monster.

He turned the monsters. We didn't know what the effects. It was just like some ball of ship. Because the ball is back in my they smoke pre moles. Yeah, so we're doing that. We're crunching up the little rocket and ship and playing around. So that that's how I was getting too. So two years of like in that lifestyle. Then I get with tied Bohannan crew. And then niggas is them niggas that go somewhere and and cook up

like a thing. And then after they finished putting it here and there, it's all this leftover ship dusts everywhere, and that I'm like the ship that they were. These niggas were washed down the sink and some ship that the other niggas will party on all night. And then niggas be like they've done. They've got the prophet's back that they thought all this ship down the sink, just like they weren't that nigga. Then they would smoke weed

and they was like they wouldn't getting too drunk. They wouldn't. They wouldn't getting different mentality if you if you as a snorter or any of that ship, they'd be like, but I don't even hang around us. They didn't like that ship. They just they just spies that whole little usage of cocaine. So around them, I've seen I wasn't gonna be the eyeball or be like the goofball nigger and just and be like I'm the user in the crew. I'll just cut that ship out of my life. One

on one and shouldn't just let it go? Fuck it. I remember I started working with teen them at eighties seven, and I just kind of like just shook all that ship because that ain't how they rode. And then it was one nigga in his crew. See was the only one who was loud and clear in front of everybody. Blah blah blah. He still he still storing the ship, and he he lied with it and just everything. But he bought he got money so he could do that. And then uh, I went to his house to watch

the Super Bowl. I will never forget this fucking day. The whole crew over there we watching the Super Bowl. I Chris at his house. He was being a little more loose with it, and he was higher up in the crew, so he wasn't really like being judged by the rest of them. That was just his stack. So I like, I'm gonna hint this ship. I took a one on one and and he got the sweating. I ain't. I ain't touched the ship probably like eight months or something. I got the sweating. I ain't telling nobody what I

was going through. I went in the bathroom. Now I nigga sweating buckets. I'm looking in the mirror like funck like like, nigga, what the fund does this do? Like now Nigga like sitting on the on the toilet with the toilet see clothes, like like fuck, you know what I'm saying. Then they gonna end up with his mother, like you know that that prayer. You're like, God, let me get through this ship. I'm thinking, I'm thinking, my heart going wrong. All kind of ship. I come out

that bathroom. You couldn't give me no cocaine for fucking twenty years after that, I'm like, funk all that ship that was. That was my lesson learning I was I was cool, was one of the man you know exactly.

I have no idea but that that that was enough for me, just getting around and conditioning of some players and ballers that that look down that like stylars and then and then hit it back again and hell no, like that's I see you talking about some not only legendary deep boys, but seeing next wound up being the one that put out yuck in them. Exactly. That's putting up drew down the loomit so everybody head and I can see that. Now you say he was a little

bit more um outspoken, and you know what I'm saying. Yeah, Chris was a loud while he had the long ass hair and it was yeah, man, so y'all out there on smash pretty much. Now, Man, y'all got the thing going. Because I know it didn't hit l A v IP records. They had to take everything because you know I talk, and that's what he talked about. He said, Man, I remember shorten him just come in here with a thousand tapes and we bought all thousand the motherfucker's and he'd

be up the road somewhere. Bro literally was just trump like like the city. You knew that people you could drop them off with, come back and get it later. You knew the people that would just buy my right. And then I knew the little one stops that are shipping out to other stories of people I didn't know. So we just kndn't manage to literally, brod I ain't gonna life. I had nothing to go on on how to run this business except drug dealing. So basically we

looked at everything like it was the cop. You flipped the ship, you make your profit, you save your real money. You flipped the ship. That's how I didn't even know how to think about the ship any other way. And literally that's what we did. We we just was selling dopeful. I even called the ship dope fee music. It was that was, that was this mentality because there was a lot of dudes who was out the trunk back and then even down here, I said, the Todd and Spade

and all in. We had a few dudes no matter how much, no matter how much motherfucking money I made off music, and I was getting it. I was never the nigga in the crew, you know, the niggas with the money. I would never got up where they was at. Never they had too much. So man, so y'all rolling on, Man, I want you to go back to that exact moment. Man, when Job Rickets called, you don't want to know you know,

how was you feeling? Man like? Job wasn't really like it wasn't like niggas was jumping for joy and like happy because the label called It's nineteen eight. When I got the call from Job, we've been running this born in Mac. I'm about to I'm about to put another album together. I was, I was about to put the life this Too Short together and just keep doing what I do, and Jib called and it wasn't it was never about the money they was offering. It was it

wasn't even about a label deal. It was really like, I'm like, Okay, these the motherfucker's that put out Kumo D. Who deny who else they ahead at the time, because that was enough right there for me though, because Kumo D was top dog, that Kumod was top dog and who didn't he got a damn right when they signed me. They signed they signed Bookie Down Productions, they signed me, they signed will Smith Fresh Friends, and they was you know, they were just into it. It was it was going there,

you know. So I'm like, and I think it was a good choice of me. I've had a lot of the good artists back then. Jib was it was the right type of label for what I was doing because they wasn't really like Death Jam was like no at all, Like I would have went over the Death Jam signed up and rusting them would have probably been manipulating me to pushing me in a certain direction and convinced me because they know more than me, like do this, do that, and they'd have made a nigga like like be some

kind of superstar and some ship. And I was like, no, nigga, I'm didn't need to do a show for twenty five thou people and walk right the funk off the stage into the crowd and not back to the backstage, right to the mother crowd and started working with the people in the crowd and don't give a fuck, like literally walked through the whole damn arena and death Jam wouldn't

let me. They wouldn't let me do that. Then death Jam was like, you gotta have you gotta be a superstar, you gotta be key be you know, over project, and like you want to be a pimp, We're gonna make you super pimp and some ship. But I was spounds and extra speaking of the pimp and must depart from that. Man.

I got asks. I always wanted to ask you who you were ever really a pen So the dream was, you know, your parents be like I need you to go do something productive in the world, and then you're rebelling with this hip hop ship, nobody believing that the ship is gonna work. So my backup plan was always I think I could break a health. I think I could do this ship. So I never had to do it out of necessity. But later in life, um ship just started happening. Man, Like my homies who really pimp

that I've been hanging around my whole life. It's funny to them, and some of them even would get mad at me for not taking advantage because we'd be in a moment and some bit should be star struck on two short, but then she's a real hole and she'd be hitting. Like they go what I would, I would if you know what I'm saying, and then I just kind of like shake it out. They're like, Brad, you're sucking up like you could be the biggest pimp out here.

And I'm like, Nigga, if I'm the biggest pimp out here and I'm making two short records, I'm going to jail nigger instantly. So I had a little thing that I would do. Man, It's just like I just give my my feet with a little bit. Like I felt like if I had to tell a bit to go

hope for me, then I'm doing too much. But if a hope came to me and said I funk with you and just be giving me money, then I'm like, I funk with you too, and I knew how to play the role, and I purposely like all the bitches that that got down with me for however long they got down. If if they think back on they'd be like this motherfucking never do used to ask me for the money, Like you'd be like, bitch, what you got?

I would just be like, you know, the moment we see each other, you know what, you know what the transaction is. But I'm not I'm not gonna be like, oh, that's all you got. I'm just I'm telling it, like let me tell you. They're like, oh, ship bread, But then you know, I live in Vegas of ten years. Man. It's it's it's differently when when the a bitches like a wild cat out there, like really on the proud every day, six seven days a week, and she just

getting working. That's that's that's a job for you. It sounds like she's doing all the work. But I promise you, I promise you. Uh, if you have two bitches running routes every day, you can't really do much else with your life except tending them to bitches, because it's that

much of a job just keeping them on track. Uh. I mean, Luckily, in some situations, it's worth it because if you got if each one of them brows is making fifteen twenty a month and they're giving it all to you and just just you and them to brows and pody Jesus is a nice, nice lifestyle, you know. So um, I just did I can't deal with Like, Okay, I go do I go do a weekend as concerts.

I'm getting, you know, teen racks for a club, fifteen twenty for these big radio shows, different ships, and I'm going out like every weekend doing something and then he'll go to bid. She running like five ranks a week. But the bitches like stressing me the funk out, like like she got rights in my life? Where the fun like bitch calling phone, the money, what you're doing, I'm just sitting there, Oh you're just sitting on your asks while I'm out here running from the police like bitch,

fuck you, like you know what I'm saying. So like it gets to the home. But she really wanted that. You know, they'd be thinking more than that. They'd be thinking like they'd be thinking other ship too, Like they were like I'm a whole for two years and then this they're gonna marry me we have a family. They'd be thinking all kind of ship like it's always it's

always that, there's always a goal at the end. You ain't even gonna get it a whole, right, If you don't get it a goal, there's gotta be a goal. So I just learned that man that that old fucking therapist ship and then sucking four in the morning call with a drunk, crazy bitch talking ship ain't worth. It ain't worth the bitch coming in the door saying, look, I stole the rolex and the hit and nig is

safe for fifteen thousand. That should make you feel good at the moment, but it ain't working in the long run. When I'm sitting out here sucking, I got me a jidass hustle and a bitch get mad and say, uh oh, I've been a vice. Would like to know what you really do? Like bitch, bitch just pushing buttons. At the same time, what if the bitch did go down to the motherfuckering's vice like make up some wild as stories. Goddamn change every pimp take though, So it was a

chance I didn't want to take. So like I said, Like I said, Like I said, I avoided this ship skillfully. Uh. Some niggas laughed it off. I thought it was funny. Other niggas was like, nigga crazy for not indulgent. But I think I made the right choice. It wasn't It wasn't what I wanted to do full time, so I couldn't do it part time. And at the end of the day, you got all these records to what you're talking about, you pimping and the broad hand of the vice.

They say, oh we got the maga motherfucker that story on the mother record right there. I was at the NBA All Star and this this hole came up to me and she was just talking and ship and which she was a whole I guess, and she was talking to her out of pocket whatever. But the bitch was saying something to me about pimping and hoeing and I just was, you know, it was a fly asc fitters whatever. I'm like, I'm like, look, I don't you know, I've been making records and ship. I ain't really like out

here pimper no house. And she said, what I thought, you just come? She looked chicken. Something is that baby? I guess what this nigga ain't well pimp so I'm with these gangster as niggas and it bit get like like two three sentences into some like disrespectful ship and niggas is like, bra, I'm gonna say this one time. Man, get that bitch man, just get her. She was she

was hurt. M she was hurt her fellows was hurting the reality of of of what they depicted as you as an artist and what they hear on the music. It confuses, But did everybody look at it like that? If I'm rapping the ball, killing and beating them up, pucker, this is what deception of you is. They feel you live that nfe. So, ain't nothing wrong with with pimping, part time pimping, or just you know, stagnating in the pipping game. You know, I'm here, I'm there, I got

some bitches and and it is what it is. But I can't live like that. Spice One went on his first tour niggas like, Nigga, let me say, how gangs you are, honey with DJ equipment on his first two that Nigga had to fight every crip in America. Yeah, yeah, definitely. It's sometimes, like I said, sometimes the fans will test your motherfucking abilities and ship and when you I mean you do in certain ways. But I could say when we went on tour Um, we really didn't get funcked

with that much by a lot of cats. I mean, whether it was crips or bloods or niggas from a lot of different sections. First time went to San Diego, it was like a blood thirst. It's like it's nothing but bloods out here. I mean, the first time we went to watch ship. The first time I went to motherfucking Flagstaff or Phoenix or something like that. Not Phoenix but something else. Mother, Oh my god, he said, Oh my god. When I'm talking about Nick Cave about the

dressing room and our asses come down there. We get stage curtain clothes, we got all blue head to toe and ship. When I'm talking about they pulled that curtains back and it was a motherfucking arena and all we saw was ready I'm talking about girls with red rag belts on and bow rats and combs and everything. I was like, oh my god, I still had to go out there. He was paid, got paid everything, and it

was cool as a motherfucker. They still with the bag. Now, Oh they're gonna let you perform and I ain't just

taking my blood. It's crips to same situation. They're gonna let you perform, but as soon as your motherucking' asks get through performing believing the niggas at the back door ready if they don't want to know, Because you gotta remember this dog, you gotta nigga is sitting at home all day and he don't took his bach to the show with him, right, She's sitting around all day talking about whoa what the hell of the nigga you wiels?

And so he'd go there. He's about to try to show all the front of that bix like show you nigga like me here rap nick, I'm a real nigger. So you know, it's a whole bunch of sixy wass like that. You know, speaking of gangster ship short we all called the Gangster chronicles, man. So you're going through this period man with these guys. Things is going good, man, y'all. There's stilling a lot of records, man, and they're selling a lot of dope at the same time. A lot

of dope being sold the same time. So at some point you'll have a separation. And we we got a good uh, we got a good five year run, like from we ran from what eighties seven to about ninety three, But we got a good running and it just you know, Minister Society, the movie started the end of our little click that clicked from table heading. Then it was it was I don't know if it was just time, and it always we look back on these situations, you go, this ship was so small compared to what the big

picture was. It was. But I do Minutes Society, and we got a company together. We run in Dangerous Music. We're a company, partners in the company, and he got a He got a pretty good return on his money because the the initial investment, you know, bought him in as a partner, and we've made a lot of money as a company because we started signing other artists too, and it was it was going real good. And we all did our part. You know, even even though Tad was in the streets, he was truly all the way

into the label. And we was we made all all decisions. We ran this ship and I went to do Minutes to Society. And then mind you, we fall out as a crew, different members of the crew, we follow out. We whatever we we all we get it back. That's my my nimes that it's always been that way. And Chris came down to l a. Yeah, he came down.

He uh, he came and sniffed around the set and as you know, just pulled up on my fucking ship and you know, we're all good and ship and and Chris that MINS Society they paid me like sixty racks or some ship something like that. And I remember, um, I got the check and it was like thirty racks. They just took the automatically took the ship out. I gotta I got a thirty thousand on the check to be in Mins Society wasn't really it was the movie. Look,

it wasn't took the money off. You know, this check came to me and some shift I wouldn't did, as I'm not making music. It was it was for being in the movie. So I'm not making music. That's not a part of my music thing and that and I just went and got a little side hustle and did did the ship. So Chris went back and said that they he told Teddy he was like, you know, he did probably did the hype voice nand he did love something something and then ted hits me up. It was like, yeah, man,

we heard you. They got a hunted racks and you know, ship men, you ain't doing the business right. But but I'm like, bron, that's we we got a music company. Like if I if I was to go off and be an actor or something, I'm not giving y'all a percentage of that ship's stop music. So so tear's my nigga. We we love once to this day. We had a long fall out, but we loved once to this day. And he said to me at some point he said, well, fucking man, uh, just just just send me my check.

Like like he kind of like tapped out, like I don't sunk with y'all no more, and kind of like tapped down. It's like, just send me my money. So before I could get into that, you know, I'm I got you know, we got niggas, got cruise, We got different niggas you're sunk with all around the city. So I got some wild bunch of niggas I'll run with who I really hang out with because telling them it was always on the safe side, laid back. They didn't

really like clubbing a lot and all that. So I have a little wild bunch that I run around with and I'm like, I'm consulting in my niggas. I'm like, man, niggas said, you know, just give him his money. And then Nigga's just kind of fall back and don't really participants. So we're looking. We're looking at this ship like that's like pimping to me, Like, Nigga, i' I'm gonna kick back. I don't gonna get my money and bring my money back, bitch, So let me say, let me when do you say,

give me my money? Can share the company? He was like, if you're gonna keep your hunting down from the movie, which I told him, they gotta say they gave me thirty is my money whatever. So he said, you're gonna keep the money, then Nigga ain't suing people, bah blah blah. And then I'm like, well, damn bron man. Nigga's always I'm like, man, I can't, like, I can't work and pay you a percentage and you're not hustling with me. I just guy can't do that. So then the ship

it got. It was one little gangster moment and that now the money. At the same time, my niggas that I'm running with it gets real complicated in likee my niggas are running with are now if involved in a murdered deaf kill all out war with niggas that's affiliated with Ted. So telling them, they tell me one day they're like, they like, if we see them and you

went him, we ain't gonna try to miss you. That were all hanging out eating eating something, dropping it up, smoking, we we music niggas, And the niggas say, if if we see you with him trying to mix, it ain't gonna be no special treatment. So it should start getting real political for me. So then when that that part happened, so the party happened where he said we just give

my money to ship just started falling apart. So um Efty did his uh yearly picnic out the way out there where they're from Fairfield Valeo, and we go to the e forty picnic and we just happened to like you know, we got we got mob deep whatever whenever, whenever, whatever. But on this day we go out there phone niggas in one car and one pistol. So and the pistol was my pistol. So I got the little strap on me. I had like a little clock on them, and then uh,

we pull up in the park. We weren't even tripping on like you just always have a strap. We wasn't tripping on that. We gotta have a strap. It wasn't even have thought. But then we pull up on a ten them at the picnic. It's a big gas park.

It's thousands of motherfucker's out here like it's hat and we pull up on ten and them and they worked this a little like like this little maneuver like uh, kind of spread out a little bit and these are nigg like money niggas and ship, like you got the little street niggas and ship, but it's like niggas in like money more. We're going to the forty picnic. We ain't really like coming to this motherfucker for a fighting that and all that ship and uh, they start kind

of like the approach and ship. He come over me and he're telling me the whole ship like kind of like kind of kind of checking, you know what I mean. And I was one of the homies. Uh he was like before we walked upon and he was like, give me that strap. So he plot plot and ted to talk a little bit and he's say, man, we ain't really trying to hear all this ship right now, man, when they ain't gonna give you nothing, it ain't gonna

be like that or whatever. The fun and they say because they was like the niggas is like like up they got angles on this all kind of ship. And Nigga said, you can tell these niggas to do anything you want to hear. He said, all you put you show him the strap he's saying. He saying, all I know is I'll go fun what they do, I'm killing you out here, and all the nigga stood down. The later we went and enjoyed the picnic and nobody had

no problem with nobody. I think later on at the end of the picnic, they tried to catch one of my rapper homies, Goldie, and and sent him through some dramas and ship chased him up out of there or something caught of walking into this car chases. That's all that happened, and sucking um from their own, you know. I basically uh Tar kind of calmed down a little bit. We talked after a while and it was like, you know,

let's just it's already in the in the contract. We got together his partners that we just just all the company and you take your cut and keep it pushing. So I had two partners back then, Randy that which was Dean's cousin, and Ted. Jerry had fall He fell out, way back, way down the line. We lost Jerry, the little brother. We lost him. He didn't he didn't have a He he mad at me right now, you love

me like a brother, but stay mad at me. But the politics bron so then I literally just it was probably when I moved to Atlanta, I broke Tad off something. You know, this this the company. I brought Randy off sat and the company, and I just changed the whole ship. And I ain't looking back since. So it was, you know, it was supposed to happen. No, we could have liked Chris, the whole ship, the politics, it could have been without

that ship. Man. But you know, so pretty much just the average na till and Nigga running back talking about some ship he don't know, telling somebody something gonna kicked up. A whole bunch of dis man. I made way more money much. I made way more money after that than I did before before all that ship. If the best you have to come, they have no idea. I was going, they're gonna run and they jumped ship, so it didn't

know only happened that the Carmos a motherfucker. I mean, you know they he could have fell off after that, or it could have been you know whatever James often do. We had them conversations, man, because it all goes back and this is the old step and it all goes back to sings coming down pretty much almost like would intend to just kicking up starting some ship. But that kind of was his personality. We just wasn't posted. It

wasn't puposed to get that serious. You know. If I got on the phone and say, bro, I really got thirty racks explained to him that money could have been like we just getting money from different ships. Like it could have been like this, Bro, we got a podcast together. Run James go out there tomorrow and they say, man, we want to book you to play this part of the thing. He could get a million dollars me and they can't coming him like James, Man, what's up? We

need to cut of that. You know that don't make no sense at what I tell you When you said that if if if they take me and they don't take all three they ain't. I'm not talking about that ship. Fuck that ship still. If you know what the code part about it is, you have what we call clicks, the homies kicking it. But then at the end of the day, before we get rich, somebody fall off. The motherfucker. Because now we're thinking that m I see this nag count his money. I want you to bathroom. I know

he puts him in his pocket. That's how we think right now, we're thinking all funked up. Now. I wanted if he got I wonder if he got more than I got. I wonder if he got more than I watched that ship with with with with Shog in his company, with all these different motherfucker's that was in it. How people was mad how much money they was making and what they wouldn't getting, and it fox everything up. We ain't worked together. That's why I tell him, gangs, your

chronicles is gonna work together. Bryan, come to this motherfucker. Now, you only gotta pay me. I'm just working with y'all. But ship were all going to get the check. We're all gonna eat and we don't have to. But the ones that didn't want to be there work their way out the situation, definitely, And it's just like it's a cycle shutting down. So when I look back on all this ship though, I go on like runs, like it's just a run. We get a run, I get a run in with a group of people, and we get

a bag and we're on that run. It's gonna come to an end, and some of us gonna stay friends for life, and some of us gonna forget each other and we're gonna let men see each other again, and just we gotta run. I could have been it's been so long now. I mean I could have been best friends with the motherfucker for three years and from ninety eighty nine to ninety two we're best friends. I don't

remember that motherfucker right now. It's been that. It's been that many places and faces and set up shops and you know, saying, real motherfucker's don't come and go like that. I mean, when they fake and ship, they they they're gonna come and go. Real motherfucker should be around if y'all got the same agenda, y'all trying to reach the

same motherfucking destination. But fake motherfucker's they just want to get in at that point, John, jump on the motherfucking train and then jump off when there's another when it's a better situation. Let me ask you a six question. Sure, I ain't trying to be message, we don't want to play the shows, but that situation wouldn't have nothing to do with the reason why I see you next. You got to the ask. See it's all related, but it's

all related. But what happened after after that? So I moved to Atlanta basically because niggas that I knew in love was killing the funk out each other and it wasn't coming to the end. It was like, really the small ass city like just it's like probably like if a war was going on in Company, they had nothing to do with l A and it's like a compan it's like a straight East Oakland thing, and it's a fucking war. And the city is so small you can't

even really like get gash. You can't you can't use a phone booth, you can't motherfucking stop by your auntie husk because never everybody know everything, know where the funk you be. So niggas is getting it like a nigga who you know you noticed niggas stay on the defense, but somebody walked up to his car and shot him. Who welcome to your car and shot you somebody? You fucking no, you stay on the defense and nigga just walk up and shoot you in the car. That's somebody.

You fucking new that. It started being like that, and it's like I just felt like, I'm like, man, the way this is going, I'm like, because niggas was like nigas in homicide fucking serial killer mode. This nigga's out there, It's like I'm trying to get away with a lot of murders right now. I'm trying to kill everybody I

don't like. And then they're bunch of them niggas is roaming the streets and I'm like, damn, somebody I know it's probably gonna kill me, and it's just gonna be like whatever reason funk you up because you hang out with them niggas or something like, Man, I sized that land up. I'm like, man, I'm I'm fucking about to go kicking. When they're having the party they having freak nick Jack the rapper like the police and open is like wearing me the funk out. I ain't got no license,

can't stop me. Every time they see me. They handcuffing me, searching me, arresting me, releasing me, just fucking with me and fucking h I go that land of the police is like, what's up? Too short? I'm like, this killing as harassing as chip I'm gonna enjoy. It's like when you go down there, man, it kind of makes you feel good because you go down there, you go to a restaurant, you see a black woman in the kitchen actually making me a soul getting my people. I love everybody,

but it's just on the soulful spot. It was. It was a different look to see that in the nineties. It was just a different just to see everything just lacking in the police, everybody just just it was black love. So I get down to Atlanta. It's ninety four, the beginning that I've moved to my house, like right at

Christmas nine three, So it's ninety four. I'm in Atlanta and the loonis who pretty much all the ship that was going down musically even was was inspired by us or you know, somehow you got the game that I the game that I got from Dean. I get the game to the whole fucking city. I gave everybody the game on how you fucking this is what you do. You gotta get your ship man, you gotta go get in mad faith, you gotta take it over here to sell it. I told everybody the game. If you can

get you're a rapper. If you can find it a deep way with some money, I'll show you how to do it. Chris did the formula. They all did the formula, a whole bunch of niggas. And Chris had brought the Louis around a while ago. Drew Down, his first album was made in my studio by Aunt Banks. So I'm like, I never got a dime off drew Down album. I never got a dime from Banks for that. I never got a dye for studio time. That was the homie, you Know's what I'm saying. That's like it was Chris.

Artists use the studio, go ahead, yeah, banks, just pay banks and look it up. So the Looney's come out with this fucking song called player Hater and the song says there's something some ship about some hater ass motherfucker and be like, and that's all I said, That's why the town got rid of Short. And I'm like, these the Little Homies. I'm like, y'all niggers can't say that. And the radio station played it a lot, they put

it in rotation. So I had a song I dropped called Cocktails, m H. And Cocktails was getting a lot of love. The video was dope. It was getting love everywhere. All the cities that was loving me, Detroit, Chicago, they wouldn't play it. The Bay radio station wouldn't play Cocktails, and and I cornered them, I'm like, you know, so, what's the reason why you want to spending They're like, well, you know, we were more into supporting the local artists,

which was some bullshit there was. I don't know why they turned on me, but it was like, we're more supporting the local artists, and you moved to Atlanta, so it's kind of like you out of sight, you out of mind, and you know, there's nothing personal, but we just we just promote the local scene. So that was that was the beginning ninety five. So the summer jam I'm mad now because they didn't they didn't support my record. The radio station used to call us when they needed

some a good look in the community. They call us. They called niggas like me and be like, can you be a part of this event? So this the community, you know, we're down. It's a radio station. Came in on one of six, but they used to be a rock station in the eighties. So when they started doing hip hop and ship people was like still on the other station, cas or ell. They had to kind of

like do some things that win them over. So people like me showing up to their events, help them start getting listeners, help them just get a you know, certified in the hood. So I was mad at they played the song. Then I was mad that they didn't play my song. So I pull up to the Summer Jam and fucking um, I just pull up there, you know, and no credentials, nothing, and they're like, I performed at the previous two summer jams. So they're like, we'll give

me some passes. They gave me four passes if they sucked around and gave me the stick on passes every time we walked in their phone niggas. Every time we walked in there, one of the homies went out with the with the foe passes and came back in with

three new niggas. We did that ship. We got like fifty niggas up in there by the time by the time they realized what we had done that they wanted starting negotiating and asking us if we were all cool y'all, like we ain't leaving back out, like you know what, what what's up anyone? I'm I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm coming them down. We ain't here to do nothing. Man, all you gotta do is you've got the whole bay area

out there. You got to walk me and the Looney's out there and tell the motherfucking bay that ain't no motherfucking beef because they turned the ship into like like the Loonies was so young and gangster that they let me pulled up on me. Was like you got to move by the Oakland nigga like that. That's what the That's what the word went. And I was like, i

ain't gonna fight whatever your rumor is. I'm just just standing up and tell the bag that a number leve between the Loonies and me, because immediately after the ship came out, they was like, man, we was just mad and it wasn't even like that because you we thought she was gonna sign us or or the day when were it was over the battle rapping one of my little rappers one day and we all hiked it like like the loonies loss and rap around in one it was feelings hurt. It was like a lot of ship.

So that's the story Chris was saying the day at the summer Jam. He was trying to explain it to us, the story about about how they looked up to me and I heard they feelings and they made the song because it was you know, they was mad. But then one of my homies was in the room that we chopping up, chopping it up with and a lot of niggas don't know that the back story, but the homie and Chris was sucking the same broad at some point in time, and the broad told the broad toe the

other homie, not Chris. She told the other homie that Chris said, you know, I don't even know why you with them broadcast niggas or while you're sucking that broadcast nigga, you know, like like he got more money than the nigga pillow talking, which is always be chelling some ship when you're sitting there telling the bitch while you're laying sideways something bad about the next niggas somehow the ship always get back to the nigga. So so the homie

was like Christmas, just talking story. We kind of like we was trying to work out the thing where we could walk on stage and ship and the homies just sitting there twitching and ship looking at Chris to other's sucking story about the loonies uh being phyllis hurt and ship. And then he just yelled out, ain't about all that fucking ship, Chris and just two pieces in the ship and kicked him in. They turned the story and then

we jumped into some ship. But really it was all emotional and Nigga was all he was only mad about the bitch and with the bitch said he had been mad about this ship, and I like the other version of the story. And to go out a lot and make it seem so gangsous like we wrote him. To the concert, Vintide dragged the nigga, beat him down and ship did not happen. It didn't happen. The radio station tried to um to do a slander campaign on me after after the concert, and they tried to say they

put the story out there. We did all that ship like we came up there like like like start a ride, and they shut the show down early. It was supposed to be like two more groups that went on. Forty didn't didn't get to go on that night. They tried to start some ship between me and for it. All this ship, all this ship came from the whole. It's

all like a downblod effect. Like literally the reason why me and E forty make a million songs right now to this day is because of that concert and at incident and the fact that the radio station tried to turn us against each other. And we've been homing with some motherfucker alone E forty and his brother and uh my nigga p and all the niggas in from Oakland.

The Niga is Oakland. Niga is just all sell dope together and had been family and rans blown before the radio station try to turn me and Forty against each other. They're like a radio station tried to try to get into like like the whole other side of like get involved in some street ship and like and canceled me out of some ship. They thought they was gonna turn Forty on me, and then Forty and his crew they

big inside of something. They're just gonna smash me. I don't know what the funk They thought, I don't know, and then they thought that they was gonna tell people because they're the radio station, to stop supporting Too Short. But I'm like, I'm like, nigg even though y'all ain't playing my record, the whole damn Bay Area bought the record and everybody loving the album, like you can't. You can't take a street artist like I don't like ninety two point three to be, couldn't take a street artist

and say, l A, don't listen to this artist. No more, like we don't listen to this thing because he on the radio. You know what I'm saying. And I was like, I was like, yo, I made songs about that ship on my next album. It's called That's Why the Town Got Rid of Short. That's the name of the song. And I'll tell you the whole story. And I and the story. I told the fucking truth. And literally I put the album out. That was was that the fucking getting the album. I put the song out, Everybody shut up,

nobody starts talking, Nobody talking about it no more. It could nobody dispeak what I said in the story I felt. I put everybody's name, And I told the whole goddamn story about the thirty thousand the movie. It's all in the song and to this day, nobody can dispute what the funk happened, Like there is no other version of the story. Let me ask you this man, and we can wrap it up in a minute. But we're sitting there with too short about you do your research, you

go back, you go back to ship. I don't even know, you know, because this is against the chronicles. Man, So we got to talk about some stuff just going on now the streets. Man, what do you feel about the political climb? And no, man, what's going on with black American man? Just in general? All right, well, well you he probably knocking interrupt, but he kind of spoke on it a little bit earlier when he said ship the

police was always fuller the nigger over and all that. So, you know, just trying to uh kind of elaborate on

that ship of how it really ain't nothing changed. But you know, the thing that we're dealing with now is you gotta realize right now that from the intro a crack when you found out how freeway freeway rick because all in that circle of the ship with the fucking war they was funding and the c i A Was was letting the dope land in l A. You think about that ship, and um, you think about the Dave.

Ronald Reagan said I declare war on drugs, and they came with to just say no. And it was like this whole scare tactic campaign about the you know, the scary criminals in the inner cities and ship. So then

then we got the crack. Now, I know, in nineteen uh whatever the funk eighty whatever, when they start free basing cocaine, why no motherfucking nigga went and spent a hundred dollars on some powder and said, she I'm gonna pour this into a bottle of water and let's set it on fire and make it turn into a rock. That that'shi is some chemistry ship and ship there is

some science ship. And when the crack was economically broken down to be affordable in the ghetto, and the ship was given to people like Freeway Rick just you know, like just here you free to selets man. All that ship was one big fucking setup, bron The ship was a set up to where you know, you know, the gangs, I don't even know where wrapped. The games would have winning. If it wasn't for crack, they wouldn't they wouldn't have

turned into crack gangs. Gangs would have been They probably wouldn't. I don't know, you know what I'm saying, It wouldn't have been with it what it is. And then so that all of a sudden we like eighty five is cracked. Thing is jumping off and a couple of years into that ship. Now if you got a rock and a fucking gun, they really put you away for hell along,

you know what I'm saying. And then then they you know, the whole ship with the powder and ship, and they you know, the white waves, it just song out of powder and ship, and they like ain't really stressing them out at all. But you can get caught with a gun at some powder and you don't get eighty thou years in jail. But if you got a fucking rocking again,

your asses out. And and then not only so, so, not only was the UH setting all these these situations up for you to get fucked off, there was purposely pressing the line in the hood. So only mostly like on our side, Mexicans and niggas got it, you know what I'm saying. On the other side, Puerto Ricans and niggas got you know what I'm saying. It wasn't They wasn't pressing the line to bust people in the suburbs.

There was only fucking with the hood. But the city like open was signed up for the program on the worl on crime. So if you if you bust so many people and convict so many people, will send you more weapons. We'll send you more budget, We'll send you more cars. Like you know what I'm saying. So they had incentive policing to get the numbers up because they want the good numbers for the war on crime. So now they're setting up all these fucking laws. We're in

the fucking trap fighting over the hood. We ain't buying the hood. We're killing each other over the block. And niggas is just like just we ushered in a whole new era of slavery, modern day slavery, the massive carceration. They locked us to funk up. They locked all our homies up. Nigga, if your homie got a cold case, he wasn't too much different than the homie that got murdered. You're like, damn, I ain't gonna see the homi nume

mother go on. And in nineteen eighty the stats or something like when Ronald Reagan said war on crime, it was probably like five thousand people in American jails prisons. Now it's like over two millions. And all the motherfucker's came from the hood, whole bunch of blacks and Hispanics, and basically they're just like they just they just out

tripped this bro. We run around here talking a thug life and ship, and we could have been we could have been like the Italian mafia trying not damn this to be drug dealers and pretend not to be cleaning that ship up and working around you know what I'm saying. We just we we wrote it out and fucking I want the young homies that know right now that if you're calling the the the spot where you sell dope, the trap, nigga just listened to the word. It's a

fucking trap. Like I've seen too many niggas, too many motherfucker's die or get all their youth taken away for that trap. And you're sitting there going on there, I mean the trap you're bragging about the trap like we some of us got out. We didn't get the motherfucking twenty years since designed. It's a setup, it's all saying

right now is a set up? And were the motherfucker's if you're from the eighties, you're the motherfucking generation they got set the funk up the guinea pigs the first one. But how long is you gonna keep falling for the fact that, uh, you know, the ship that's gonna get you all that time in jail. You know. Let me ask you this because I always told him to me. James talk about vote. James has a certain feeling of both vote. Do you feel like it's a waste of time?

I feel that ship too, dog? What does it do? I mean, if you really look at vote or not, I can't pay for the cause and I support certain ship when I'm like, if I'm like not feeling a certain things in certain candidate, support the other motherfucker and by doing benefit performances or or fucking PSA. What do you feel about this presidential I feel like, you know you can even you can't even include Obama's to two terms.

I'm feeling like, man, my whole life paints. I ain't seen nothing from the presidents except the same exact thing. But as a Democratic Republican, it's not ain't nobody coming through with these campaign premises and making ship happen. So motherfucker's need to stop tripping off of who the fucking president is and start worrying about who the motherfucker's creating

the laws that funk with a lot of us. That's what the sent is important as a local politics, politics exactly like the local politics and the Senate really the ship that impacts us. What do you think James to be inquired and not looking I'm listening to Joe, but I mean, like I said, everything was a design. He goes way way before the eighties. With us, we put ourselves in the situation because the police couldn't infiltrate, then they had one of us in there to do it.

And and we got a lot of brothers that soul brothers out back in those days for the short for the little money that they did give, and then they created a program. They create programs to keep you where you at, stagnate you just like with us, like when you say, ain't no father in the house. It shouldn't have really mattered if you had the daddy in the house or whatever. With all the ship that was going on. We we sat back and watched half of the ship

crack off, you go the way it went. You know what I'm saying that now we're fighting and killing each other over the same ship. These motherfucker's putty here, you know what I'm saying, Like you said, the trap, that's all that ship was. We sitting and we're sitting there getting drunk, ain't paying attention, and passing ship through the windows, through the doors, the whole nine. We ain't giving the funk. But this is what they showed us where we was at,

and we we funked with that. That's where we roll with and we're still doing it right now today. So I mean, yeah, man, you you catch a cold case, you in your young twenties late and you catch a cold case. You come home at thirty eight, forty years old, and basically you spend all them years working in there for fucking free, for free labor. How many people you lose them? There's so many. There's so many brothers in prison.

That's because we don't know the law. And when they get in there and get to spend the law to you thinking they've been helpy, but then at the end of the day they stretch as. So what I'm saying is I don't know how to tell the young homies how to preach and be like Brad go straight whatever. I wouldn't listening to nobody when I was young. I'm just like, get your motherfucking money. But it's a lot of ship out here, Like it's gonna benefit you more

without the fucking penitentiary chances. That's all I'm saying. And do what the funk you gotta do whatever, but stay the funk out that prison, bro, And and I just in the law. I say this the same. Think back to when you was a youngster, and the niggas who wrote the hardest, the niggas who wrote the hardest, and the niggasu them a little nerd niggasaid would never join the fucking game. The niggasu would never come around to

block the niggas. You come home at thirty eight years old, and that little nigga gotta fine ass wife, beautiful family, nigga, got nice ass cars and ship. You're like, you're like that podcast niggas like they think of ben balling, and we ain't too far from, you know from because niggas got that that rich dream right now. They see the just wrap shi the hip hop ship, this ball player ship, and they got that that million their dream. But you ain't.

You ain't gonna achieve that unless you apply yourself to something. You gotta put your ten thousand hours and you gotta, you gotta, you gotta get some some working and you gotta become an expert at something and and be good at that ship. You just gotta pay your dudes and put in your work and then ship should eventually if you get the right you know, the right foundation behind you, in the right cup of group of niggas that can

steer you on the right path. Like I said, o Gez used to be set up to try to steer niggas on the right path. For letting niggas stay out and keep you keep keeping out the games, keep him in sports. You know that's what we need, you know. But other than that, man, you just nothing else matters. Man. You know what I'm saying, She been flipping the same way for for generations. You know what I'm saying. I

can say back to when I started running around. It ain't changed, Like James say, you can vote for whatever, take your choice, Democrat, Republican. But at the end of the day, start start peeping out what's going on in your own section and your neighborhood, your city. Start peeping out the local government, Start peeping out what's happening in the Senate and the people who make the laws, because

that's that's what counts. Yeah, I think, I think what I'm trying to say that is, uh, it's almost gangster. It's almost real gangster, not to be gangster in the long run. In the long run, you know what, man, it is. And you know when I exchanged talking about that man when you're talking to your brothers and sat here in the streets, man, that's what he tells them. He says, Man, it ain't no benefits to it, ain't no pinsion in it. It's just you better off just

doing the right thing. And at this point nobody can remember, like you really go around and just ask motherfucker's like like nigga, who who's your enemy? And be like why and they're gonna tell you, like kill not be folled at, Like why is y'all? Why is y'all hoods enemies. Niggas don't even know why half the wards started. M hm. They don't even know. They don't even concern. They just like lucked that, like that Chicago ship. They're like, nigga,

we can't even negotiate. They're keeping a tally on bodies. They're like, we can't even negotiate the truths until we like got the same amount of bodies and knocking each other down. Man, It's like, man, and like we y'all got it, y'all up on the sixteen fourteen, and so give me to two bodies and we can talk about the truth. Then, well, you know, the man, one of the things we always talk about man, you know, black

lives matter. Man, If a police officers do something, somebody, we go to these cities with marks, But why not we why we that we should have that same energy? Man? For one of somebody ride through the hood and knocked down little Tommy. Somebody go out there knockdown little Lisa. You see what I'm saying. We need to have a justifiably we are used to killing each other. That's just like like I know you, I'm gonna fight, I'm gonna argue with you were far gonna argue with these motherfucker's.

I don't know. We used to. We this is what we we learned growing up, you know what I'm saying. So it's a big difference. We rather fight in house than go out and fight. These white boys just talking about killing us and they home there on mother every platform talking about y'all, wait, we're coming. It's gonna be a war if Trump lose, We're gonna we're coming at You're really interested to see what happens is this selection, man,

because I don't think oh boy could lead office. I I don't think there's enough militia out there to beat up together. That's yeah, y'all to be surprised, man, y'all to be surprised with these motherfucker's got if a motherfucker mothers, they they got some ship. Yeah, motherfucker. How out to all the inner city, everybody in the inn city standing by staying down and staying by the fun. Man. But you see what you're doing the the what's the councilman?

Check that the white boys was kidnapping? Man, they tell about kidnapping and kill the motherfuckers because if you ain't, if you ain't on board with Trump. Man, you're in trumping, but I don't even follow politics. I will see what happened. One I could have never in a million years could have predicted. Ship is crazy. Man. It's almost like the Park Lips and Sun, but fucking ninety nine years else. I ain't never seen no ship like this. Man. Sure, man,

you know what. Man, I appreciate you. Man. Happen us over. Man to your beautiful compound. Man giving us a dope interview. Man. Man, you guys, Man, we thank y'all for coming in here. Man tuning into another episode a Gangster Chronicles. Man, make sure you subscribe. Man, go down alottle. I heard a man visit our website www dot the Gangster Chronicles podcast dot com. Man he m c up online, hit big James up he online? He holler back, I'm online. Most of us will hit the hold me too short man,

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