The "Chico Brown" Episode

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So I'm gonna start this episode with some fact checking from last week, and uh, we actually have a special guest. But before we get to our special guests, let's go through these quick fact checks from last week. Reggie, you mentioned a guy that was on death row for some murders related to the Chino Hills case. His name was Kevin Cooper, murder of four people, and now they're saying he might be innocent. Well, the governor was trying to um have a reinvestigation of the case, so they're checking

his DNA. I guess right now. And according to Kevin Cooper, what do you think he says he didn't do He didn't do it. He says he was framed, Okay. And then the rapist that you were talking about again last week, Reggie was a guy named Wayne Jerome Robertson a K the booty banded up at Corkrane Dick Smiley from the he's really eluders. He probably even east side. Uh, he's so old, so they probably was east side. He was when he went to pen Gentian. When he went to the pen and okay, so he's an O G O

G the seventies. Okay, well, I found an article from that says that the guards were actually using him at Corkran State Prison to rape and beat other inmates. They were betting on him. They stay used him, but they were betting. They were putting him in there like uh, some gladiatorship going on, like that movie Animals. So apparently there was a huge investigation in the late nineties early two thousand's about this. Dude, Wayne, and I had never

even heard that story before. That's crazy, all right. The next thing was, you said, James that Corkland was opened in eighties seven. Last week said eighty nine to corporate seven. Well, it stays here that it was built on an old Native American reservation and opened in eighty eight. I protight from corporate from Okay, well, maybe Wikipedia sometimes incorrect. I okay. Uh. And today, as of today O. J. Simpson hit eight hundred and two thousand followers on his Twitter page. No,

I think he's gonna hit a million probably. Uh. I've given about a month he'll be at a million. That's just a hundred nine thousand more people. And then, um, we talked about Carl Douglas last week. In that monumental car case, I said, Pento, we talked about it being the pencil is actually a seventy nine Chevy Malibu where the family of four children and two women were burned when the gas tank exploded back in four point nine billion. In Yeah, for damages. I went to the two women

and four kids. They followed appeal, and I'm sure they probably settled all on appeal. Yeah. What I didn't check is how much money the family ultimately got. But you know Karl Douglas gets whatever that money is or his firm, well that and you know all the expenses that the attorney there's like that. That's where they get you at all. Right, So that takes us to our special guests. Man, this is a brother that I've known for many, many years.

He's actually connected to one of the biggest drug trafficking cases in American history. He's from Compton, and I'm talking about my brother, Chico Brown. We got Chico Brown in the studio today. Man, what's up, Chico? What's going on? And I didn't really finish uh describing Chico. I met Chico when he was doing sort of what I would say community activists work and uh gang intervention and prevention work back in the early two thousand's. But you're also

CEO of agg and Entertainment. Let's start off talking about what that's all about. Egg Entertainment is a production company. Um, then a few films, uh documentaries. I'm working on a few films now with master p Jamie Fox and some more people. Um. Started off with Penny Marshall who helped me start the company, and that was her way of giving back to me, to being back to the neighborhood. Oh that's good. Yeah, and Pete Marshall was a good, good lady. Now a lot of people don't know who

Penny Marshall is. Uh. For all the youngsters out there that I never heard of, Penny mercall Lavernon Shirley. Their family also produced what was the other show that they produced that came on before Lavernay? Happy Days used to come on at eight o'clock on Tuesdays and was Lavernon Shirley. Okay, I thought they wasn't spending off from r What years are we talking about? Like late seven, Marty. Pretty much like half the shows that was on network television in

them days was like martial productions. I like what she loved basketball players, but I like that she really liked black people most down people. That person I've ever met in my life for real, Like she treated me like her son. And unfortunately she she passed last year. This year, this year, last year, the Simar seventeen, and um, I was a little I got a little emotional to see her because it's like all the people that I grew

up with, they're slowly dying on us. How it was Kenny was, I think she was up for a while. He was here both okay, Yeah, But one of the things I wanted to uh talk to you about, Chico, is you actually was part of freeway Ricky Ross's indictment back in was the nineties six or four. And uh, although everyone talks about Freeway Ricky Ross as the one getting caught you was you was just co defending in

that case. Can you talk about how you met him, how you guys ended up hustling together, and how that whole case came smashing down on your your life. We've been doing each other, but this particular time, we uh was opening the youth center over there in South Central and Cuenshaw, So Rick had just came home and he had needed some money, and so I ended up giving him some money to help him with the youth center.

So we building a youth center. Then months months went by and his connection from years ago, UH came to us and asked Rick did he want to help him get rid of you know, start start this business back. Rick was like, you know, Rick really didn't want to do it, and I didn't want to do it. I just came home. I just be the case. Yeah, you just came home on another case that we'll probably talk about. But was it true that Freeway Rick was sort of out of the game at that time. He wanted to

kind of like retire. He was out of the game. He he was out, both of us out of the game. But we actually was really doing the youth center on Cuenshaw Old Building and he had had when he caught the first time you're talking about right on Adams. It looked like an old theater that building. So we actually was doing uh, we was doing the studio and there we're just gonna call it Apolo West. And so that led on to me investing my money in it, and then we needed some more money. And so when the

guy Bland don't came. You know, it's all I set up. When he dude Bland don't came, he was like, you know. He called Rick and said, you know, I need this. And Rick was like, you know, I'm I'm out the business. I don't have no more money. And that led to me giving the money. So that's how I got invoked because it was my money. So at that time, Rick didn't have any money. No, Rick came home, he didn't have no money. I actually helped him. I gave him

somebody loaned him some money. So he was coming home from another case. It just got out on the case that he got caught up with the this case, you know, and he had I think he did like seven years or something. So he came home on that. And then we're doing a studio and then Black Done called and and led to old Let's go to prison. And now, for those who don't know, you're talking about Danilo blond

dog Oscar Oscar Denilo Blondo from from Nicaragua. Yeah, yeah, and I guess he was the connector that really put Rick on the map. Yeah, he was connect So at that time, is it fair to say that Danilo Oscar Denilo blond Don was actually working with the federal government at the time and in order to to entrap y'all. Yeah, that's exactly, but we didn't know that, you know, the CIA and all that stuff was involved. We were just really trying to make some money. But Rick didn't really

didn't want to do nothing with it. And I was just out of the game. And it was just like he was like a father figure to Rick, and so he like convinced Rick, like he kept saying, you know, just this one time, I owe somebody some money, can you get it. Then the whole thing was like, you don't have a hundred in Nicodaga, but I can bring him to you. You know, I got a hundred up

and so he convinced. It took months. It took like six months or eight months to convinced me to go down there and do and do the deal to go down where with to Mexico? Is that right? Yeah? I didn't know that. Yeah, that's what we got busted at the border. Yeah, y'all was pretty much like some American mina. That's what That's how it went. So, but they he was blad done all the time. When he was calling us, he was in prison, he was in he was in uh Metropolitan in San Diego. But they were so bad

at Rick on this other case. So it was the whole thing, we'll let you out if you help us get ricked. And what people don't know, they really wanted them to be because of the IRA Contra investigation and all that were Oliver North that suf and Maxine water is going down there and helping him before all this even happened, Like we really didn't know that the conscious

and stuff until it went down. Like so things like say six months for us for me to really go down, and that went down to a couple of times, but I wasn't really feeling it, like and then the last time when I went we did the deal. So you met like some of Blondons people, just one, just one of them. He was a FA he was an agent acting like he was the man. So something like some Mexican looking dude that was working with the fads. And at that time you didn't know Blondon was in custody. No,

we didn't. They let him out for this reason. The busses. Wow, that's so deep, man um. So what what type of sentence did they give you guys. Ultimately, I know they gave life and I had eight and a half years. And did you get out early? No? I didn't get out early. I did. I mean I got I did a drug program. So at what point something that? So, at what point did you realize this was a whole set up? How long did it take to figure that

out when it first went down? I didn't know. I thought at first I thought was Rick setting me about it? Because I really really didn't know because I I went down. So we you know, we had to say at Denny's restaurant. We met them at a Danny's restaurant and black Dog walked in and the other guy, special agent Phillips, I know his name, man, but they walked in and then like you know, I asked me for the money, like you got the money? And I was I'm telling Rick, like, man,

something's weird, Like I'm like where to work at? You know that's me talking about asking what the work? And they're like, no, we got it. And I'm gonna called Rick to the side of like, man, something right, Man, it's like a set up, like not a setup that there was a police to set up like this when steal my money because I was buying a hundred h kilog So I was like, man, I don't know, I ain't give him the money. So I didn't give him

the money. And they're like, I just following me, following me to this more and some more around the corner. But it was all set up, you know, the cards and there everybody in there was the fence. So when we went around the corner, so they asked for the money again, I said, Rick, go check the car and see the ship. Didn't see if it's in there. So Rick rolled, he checked it, he gave me it. Okay, it was in there. We had a drive. We had another dude with us that was driving it, and so

he jumped in the car. So when he jumped in the car was a kill switch already in the car, so it never started. But it was a hundred keyloads in there. So soon as he went to the car, I saw the jackets like da, they put in the DA jackets on. By this time, I'm taking off. We're in two separate cars. Ricks in the in the in the opposite car, and I'm in my own car. So

when I take off, they followed him. So I'm about to, you know, drive to the mall or some ship rick drive down the embankment of the freeway hit a tree, so by this time we you know, it goes down right there. So how much was they're selling those hundred

keys for? What kind of practice with you guys expecting to get it was like ten, So it was a million dollars like ten, and that was a pretty good price because for out of state then I think that it was probably like well, I think sometimes you could have got on four nineties that were going for fourteen. But like you know, because it was stupid for me because I didn't to make no sense for me to do this because I wouldly wasn't, say a hundred thousand dollars.

So it was really stupid for me to do it. I mean, but if it was, if this was not the fads and this was really getting a hundred keys, I mean you you could have been making a lot of money out of state with the work. No, But as I looked back on it, stupid. It was stupid for me to even do it because you made a decision that you was out the games. Yeah, I just I just I just came on. Yeah, so you must have been just like stressed out when you first caught that case, I mean I knew. For me, I was like,

I knew I couldn't get a life sentence. I knew that was like I'm not gonna get a last kN that was off the table. Yeah, because you know, honey, keylos I read. I knew the guy lives already. I just I just left. So I knew what the guy laves was for the ship. I know all that stuff already. So Rick, you know he had two strikes of it. That's only meaning he got life because he had a career criminal. So and he ended up getting sixteen at

the end of the day. First he got life, then that got cut down to twenty two, and at the end it was sixteen. Because we want to appeared one all the appeals and everything, like even when they went to I played guilty. I didn't go to trial. Like the day of trial, I stood up and said, I'm guilty of the charges dealing with the fast That's better to do it like that, are opposed to just have the people fix your act? Should I say for me, I don't. I just did it. I just went to trial.

And one of case like a year and two years before that, so I was thinking, I'm going to trial, but they had so much, like you know, they had pictures, they had everything. They had been talking to the people. So it was like, you know, if I if I go to trial, if I lose, I'm gonna get twenty. So I just took I played guilty, not knowing how much time I learned it to plead and just like go ahead and just take the deal, or go ahead and plead out that they don't give you as much

as time as they could or they normally would. Won't you realize that Danilo was working with the police, probably like we was in there party three weeks and we got some paperwork from Gary gay Web. Gay Web sent us this paperwork, so me and ricking the sale together and then gave Webb said I got some information. You'll probably wanted read this stuff. So he sent us all

the stuff. And this lady had get cought Boka had gave him the information because her boyfriend was CALO's letter Caller's letter, you know Caller's letters with Escobard person, and so she was telling us like they're not gonna testify against shot because this guy has been working for the CIA all this time, being in money to find dance the board Nikodaga with Satinsta. So we're reading this ship like damn. So me and Rick going through this every day.

It's like stacks. They gave us the stacks, but it was redacted. All the stuff was blacking out, so we didn't know the names, like, man, who were they talking about? You know, but it was like stuff like yeah, just give it to the niggas. Didn't sell anything, you know that kind of stuff like damn, So we didn't after that, then when Maxine and got involved and she ended up giving us to redacted. When she went got it, it

was still indictments. She went't got all the stuff and gave it to us like and then we're reading and stuff like damn, man, this is crazy. So all this time this has been a happnue the finances war nigga. It's you know, like so that really we got the thinking of then we're gonna beat this ship. Like were in there thinking that we were gonna be there. Then they separated and it was me and Rix. They put him on the floor, put us on the floor like that kind of ship. Then they put us in a hole.

They put us in the hole because they said, we was should we got all kind of stuff up and then we got I was getting raided in ourselves because information that information, they was taking it and they said, we made this story yet. So so Gary Webb is the one that first, um kind of put you on game what was going on behind the scenes, because Gary Webb is a journalist that was writing for the San Jose Mercury News back in the nineties. Yeah, I mean

he got killed. Yeah, well they say it was the suicide, but a lot of we talked to him a week before he got killed. Is that right, talk to us, Talk to us about Gary Webb, because he also put out that amazing book called Dark Alliance. I believe that's the book. That's the book. But also when he did the three part story on the San Jose Mercury News, it was called Darker Lines in that newspaper, and that was like one of the first things that went viral

on the internet. All the pictures, all the pictures that was in the book. I gave it to him. That was that was my discovery that the pictures of the money, the birds, everything in that. But his career did get messed up from writing all of that. He couldn't get jobs at certain newspapers. The l A Times did them wrong. Watching the post. They wanted the story. So Gary was like, you know, Chi, I'm not gonna I talked to him maybe day, like I'm not gonna give up the story.

You know, whatever happen. They didn't believe in the story story originally because they could have wrote it if they wanted. They knew the story was true. Yeah, they knew the story. None of the Cats, Jesse Cats at l A time, Jesse Cats could have wrote the story if he wanted to, but he didn't. He wanted Gary to give him the story, and Gary push Gary out and Gary wouldn't do that. But a lot of these I think a lot of them didn't believe the story. I mean ship it was

enough evidence. The judge even told it like right before trial, like even after the try, even if they lost, like when when we got sentenced and she said, you know, this could have went any either way. But all the stuff that I'm telling you, they wouldn't let him lit in court. Like none of the c A stuff was allowed in court. It was like we made up the story. So you don't think any of the stuff that Gary Webb was going through, contributed to any sort of depression

that he might have had. I was talking to the guy all the time, Like, you know, the lady who gave him the story cor Boca. It was alledge that he started, you know, having affair with her, so his wife got caught up and that kind of stuff and all kind of stuff was happening with the story. Like and I was a really tight with good like you know, we developed a relationship because of the case. So what's

your what do you think happened to him? He got Gilly said twice And now Reggie Um and James, what do you think the guy that wrote the book, he says, shot twice in the head? In the head? Right there? Is it possible to commit suicide with two gunshot wants to the head? I don't think so. I mean, you congraze yourself, but just not talked to the girl. He told me this is like he said. People was on the back of his pole working and he told me if he get killed, he didn't kill us up. I

talked to him and he told me that. But why at that time, back by that time the story was already out in the San Jose didn't have another Oliver North book was already out. He was writing another story. I mean Oliver North was in that paper for Oliver North was on that case. He was on the first one,

the second one. Yeah, And that's what I'm saying. They didn't want another one that the government couldn't go through another one of those type of hearings, because what happened, like when he was talking about the Carry Commission, when they did that, it was really about the drug but they never talked about the drugs. They just talked about the guns and stuff. But the funding, the funding exactly.

But when the planes was coming coming here, they was loaded with the cook and then they went back with the girls and so carry you know who was Secretary of State act. The question like why're we talking about the key was being over. It's all real. So John Kerry wanted to talk about it more. He didn't want the gun. He didn't want to talk about the guns

because he knew they were beinging over at first. And he's a former presidential candidate, right, yeah, so he of course he wanted to deal with that explo you know, unfortunately they got caught up in that Republican Democrats. Do you think it was political for John Carey, like he didn't really care. I think everything is political. But what I'm curious about is max and arters was so vocal about this in ninety six, nine seven, and then one

day she wasn't talking about it anymore. Question and she just shut her mouth up on the topic, like did someone come knock on your door? I think they had something on her husband. But I answered that question because you know when I when I came because I had got out on Bill for like I on a few months and she got She actually helped me get out on the bed, like am I out on Bill? I go to the thing that they had when when uh what the head of the CIA, Deute came to Watts.

I was there with Maxine that was incompetent, right, had locked. Y'all know who her husband was, right, you know he's the ambassador. The ambassador, So tell us about the incident that locked because that was a crowded room. It was in there. I stood up and told him they was lying. I was like, you know, because they was telling the people, but they didn't know I was in there, Like as you can find it on the internet, like they were talking about well, you know, there's no evidence. It's made

up story. We're still investigating from the FBI. And then I stood up and saving you're lying because you just think that gave me a paper said investigation was over and that we was going to prison. I was like stood up, like you know, I'm Chico, you know the data. No, I was in there, and I was like, you know y'all up here lying to the people talking about the investigation going on. I'm about to get sentence in it because I was about I had to go to court

and like the next couple of days. But he was telling the people like, yeah, you know you were able to get out. I got out of like a mission, out of bill, like indecimil Like I remember going to Dr Dre New Year's party, so I think I got out of party the twenty ninth. But I had stayed in there for like a year, and he finally gave

me a bill. So they gave me a bill after year, so I built out and then I went to I was actually had an office in Maxine office, sitting with her every day, so you had some important people behind you the whole way, Like I'm surprised you actually did any time on this case. Man, Well if we would have won the case, but I knew we wouldn't go win because it was too much like like when we was going to court like every day, like you know they had. I mean, there was so many CIA operative

in there. It was like you gotta go like three or four medal detectives and then they say a black do ain't gonna show up. So when black don't show it up, I stood up and play guilty because we couldn't win with him showing up. Because even though all the stuff happened, they did not let us talk about the CIA and all of that stuff just alright, case we got busted with this and that's what it was.

So they never lived. They didn't allow none of this just to happen, like talk about that what happened with the government to see IA and that. Yeah, that's one reason why I don't assist people on federal cases because you don't have that leeway. You don't have that flexibility to express yourself on the views and opinions on a particular case and the facts. They want you to write every thing that you believe in, and then it gets

presented to the U. S attorney. Then the U s attorney will go to the judge and say, I don't want alexand this. I don't want Alexander and I don't want him saying that you're talking about as a witness, as an expert consultant. Yeah, and the fact that this is how, this is what happened in the federal kid, but the state they're not that strict on the state trial. Well, you know, my brother was actually fighting the federal cage with a gun and they was trying to give out

four years. Four oh when they offered you six years, but if you go to try and lose like that's yeah, yeah, yeah. So they was bringing up all the things that he did in his past and this is gonna get you fifty years. So I mean, this is why the conviction ready to show goddamn how people take a deal. But you know it's when you look back at your cage. Do you think that if I fought it, I might have won it maybe or do you just already know

that there was no winning that case. No, because for my case is like I would like they had me, they had me like this then Rick, Like, but what I mean by winning it, we know you did what they say you did, but there's all these other entities involved that will get exposed in the trial. Therefore, maybe Chicos not as guilty. Uh, the government has to take some culpability in this as well, and maybe we'll give

you a path. If they would have, if they would allow us to talk about the stuff about the CIA, would happen everything we couldn't even that wasn't no defense for us. We got caught with it and they had everything. Okay, let's say you go to trial, though Danilo Blond don't has to come and testify against you. Did that up? Okay, but your attorney can cross examine him. They did that, They did all that. Rick went to trial and he

was banking up. We're always making that thing because the lady Core told us and then Gary us, no way he's gonna show it because you have any trapment case. Basically, yeah, they almost, but yeah they so does hone keylo. They had the word, not us. They had the words the cocaine, cocaine.

But just think how many times they usually cocaine to get people like you and the rush got the pictures of cocaine and the drug dealers making the transaction and get caught it's the bed saying we are drug dealers. I got a honey keys you want to buy them? Yeah, but it's the FEDS selling cocaine to dude who us already out the game and didn't even want to participate anymore. That don't even matter. You ain't not the game. If I'm a journal on that case, I'm looking at the man.

I'm feeling cheeko on this ship. You know what I'm saying. I'm like man and THI law enforcement. No I'm not. That's how law enforcement. I'm mad THI. It's unfair. I believe unfair. Man, you know at the Radio City Hall or you know, his his foundation, what he was about to you know, I forget what he called it, his hall that he was about to make there and then say hey, here it is. I gave a couple of days, Uh, bring me some money to do that. Then maybe that's

a little. So if you're on Chico Brown's jury, you're you're saying guilty. Oh wow, I couldn't even even if the judge let some of this other stuff come in about to see, that's different. But they didn't live there, allowed none of it to come in. Like we couldn't even talk about it. They wouldn't even like you know, my lawyer got up and said he talked about it like you no, we oh listen strike that we can't even mention. It's about to see how you can't none

of this stuff. So Rick tried this and trial you can't mention I tried was just we got caught with a honey. The jury never knew that police just the ones that shoulder that the afterwards over they don't know nothing about the CIA because this would happen now then do now? But this even happened to us like we were so we're in there like we just getting let

us from say trust HASKI. He wanted to do life story on us, so he wrote as a letter they went raided his office in New York, so that kind of stuff down and said we made this story up, like like damn, this is a rap. So I didn't want another. Did you start feeling like people don't even want to talk to me now? People don't want to come visit me, people don't want to call me because of what's happening to people that have contact with you. But we was like for like I mean, before he

wrote the book. Before the book came up, we knew this, but nobody else knew this, like Maxine and knew it, but the book don't don't come out until, like I don't know. I think the book came up when I had got out of bed. The book came out, I think, and I remember going to the story to get the book, but he kept saying wait till the book come out, wait till it would come out. So pretty much got

out on the pills. Then yeah, because they a second time, because it was like it's like they wasn't with two cases. That's really one case. So you end up been extra strike. So the career criminals we got life. So you end up winning both of the pills. So he end up he end up getting sixteen at the end of the day. I just watched an interview on lad Well Freeway. Say he was doing a hundred A hundred keys a day? Is the exaggerating a little bit A hundred a day.

I mean they had a direct connect with danil O Blonde hing if you got a hundred of the day, you got forty cats out there. That's on that level. Checking him out of towns. Nothing. I've never even seen a keyload of coke I've never seen. I've seen that. I've seen a quarter key. That's the most. Nine that's the most I've ever seen. So the thing about a hundred keys, what's the most you've ever seen? I never

seen the key either. Wow, I would have thought of in the in the evidence room, there's not a key sitting in and they let me in there. I saw sixty three keys, to be honest. So, like I said, I know about the incident with uh what what's that boy name? Community? And then I gave Think credit for with the trailer that keys. So the Dark Lines came out. So that was two years after he wrote those articles in the San Jose Mercury News. No, they came out before is when he put the story in the newspaper.

And then he took those three stories and made that into the book because I went to get the newspaper when he like, I actually have the original print outs off the internet, and they had the cover was somebody hitting the pipe with the CIA logo around it, and the CIA said to the San Jose Mark Renews, take

our logo off of that article. That's a copyright infringement because they didn't like the way they had a crack pipe in the middle of the logo, but I was I was able to print it out with that original logo. Remember that, Yeah, I haven't. So I'm the asshole on this uh, on this panel. I gotta ask you, bro, how what do you feel? Or how do you feel? And I know you're doing a lot with the community and the youngsters now and we're gonna talk about that too. Um,

and we get into that. But when some people would say, um, the you and free freeway was the cause of a lot of the black families being messed up in America, I'm gonna say, we didn't know no better because it was at the early age, you know, so this is all new, Like this was new to us, like even and we didn't know how it's gonna affect people, even that it was going to genocide or dude, have this long lasting effect on our community as it happen, homes,

everything destroyed the black man. But it was all pre playing. Man, that's some stuff. It was already out there. You don't start doing it anyway. Well, the first case, so we're talked about, he's talking about the second case. Well, there was never any purchase made on the second case, so damage done them. But you know, uh, they never bought the hundred keys. Yeah, it's something about the history of

selling drugs. Yeah, that's all I'm just saying. You know a lot of people would say, well, you know freeway in but there's a market for drugs, for drugs in America. Someone's gonna sell those drugs to the people who they were the ones that did it. They didn't well they didn't have ships, that's what I was. They didn't bring it over here. Well, it was brought to a little bit of everybody because when it first came out, I remember in the hood and eighty. I mean it was

popping for everybody. And who who do you think was the source of I don't know who it was. I didn't go to the time when it came. You know, it was something different for us because now we're buying, you know, doing different ship, but were also selling it to people. Some of our good friends I know of are still on drugs right now today, Like Coon Dog, you know from the neighborhood, he's still on it right now. You know what I'm saying, And that's from night. But

we know more people on Shirm than anything else. Probably back the end of the seventies, but they got right get reverted because it's so hard. But in the eighties and the nineties rock cocaine was affecting the black community and the black family more than anything. If you don't know someone in your family that was addicted to that, well, I think it was people. They was on the potter.

They weren't on that rock and destroyed, destroying. Really like if we talked about comes and it's Compton up a man, I know him, Compton, how bad it was people walking people, how houses getting burgeraged? He was affected somewhere. You had your your kids stealing from the mama's and daddies. I mean not the two police reports where they were taking the TVs out of the house to take to the man. I used to do a stolen vehicle report every day and it was definitely for not people on the level

that that they were accused of being on. I'm talking about just for the strawberry is going to give up the car to the little thirteen fourteen year old guys giving the cars that they can ride around and then as soon as they sold broke up, they gonna fow a police report. It was just don't even look at like our parents was buying homes and compting, and there's a gap like in the eighties, like we were supposed to be buying losing it because because the kids on

crack grandmother then sold the house Grandma Grandma. Then then it just devastated, not just compting. Everywhere you go, every black communter was those people over there. And then we used to that was like the crackhouse and everybody just going that was what coming to my house. Yeah she was, she got rid of some time. But I mean, I mean, it's just the choices that people make. And now like today,

like you, you're trying to make a difference. You're trying to get back from what you where you felt that you wasn't wrong. Get I mean, do you really think you old? When I came home, Like for real, when I when I first came home, I immediately started working at a place called home because, um, well your heart seem to have been there the first time. Yeah, Robert Greenwell, who was the movie producer Accident, what you wanted to like, I gotta get back. That was my whole thing was

giving back. Uh, And so I started working at the place come home and then I saw them kids, I wouldn't be like, you know me sell dru exisen. So I'm like talking to him like, man, you're going to prison, Like this is what's gonna happen at the end of the day. This was gonna happen no matter how much money you make. And then the day like even when we really get called, it's like, damn, this was pre

playing a year ago. They for a year like in my first case, it was like six year investigation, like this is like and then with Rick, they waited for him to get up. It was already pre playing, like let's set this back up. And when it was mad, it was mad. What was that because he testified against a bunch of cops exactly. So I get caught up and rixed. I get caught up on he test his police and he tell he'd tell you he too, like the other day I saw he was talking about it.

But like I really didn't have nothing to do with that situation. I really just came on and you wish you didn't have no money? Then I was broken. Yeah, So that's that's how I get a caught up in this situation. I'm surprised people call him a snitch because he's exposed about him. What's that? Yeah? Have you heard that? Yeah? I mean I think when you're when you're exposing beure a practic and the fiction to corruption. That movie with the lay in, that's why he gets the past. You

got it just died Ray Lucas. Yeah, that's why you get past because he was like, I only took down police crookeet cops. Okay, um, talk a little bit more about a place called Home? Where was it located? How did you get that job? And what was it like there? Place called Home was the seventh and Central and uh, what happened? Gary? Uh? What's his name? Robert Greenwall who bought the Robbert Greenwall had bought the rights to the book about Me and Rick, and so he's coming. He

visited me while I'm in prison. He was like, so, Cheeka, what you gonna do when you come home? I said, I gotta get back. I got you back to the kids. And he actually was on the board at a Place Go Home. He said, go talk to Deba. She's the founder of Place Go Home and if you if you want to work there, you can work there. So they won. When I came home, I stopped working at the place

go Home. I started as and when year was at uh two thousand one place I call home, being around a while because I remember back in ninety six Sugar did some I think he donated a studio or something. The studio stud I just went up an other day. So I came home in two thousand one and I met you shortly after you came home. Then my first office was two thousand and one on Adams, and I came to you. Yeah. Yeah, I had my little spot on Adams and Normandy, which is an area where I

grew up at had my first little office. It was so tiny, it was twelve feet by upstairs, yeh, upstairs. And then I grew out of that office and got one on Wilshire and uh. But yeah, man, at that time, you were at a place called home and just like you know, helping the kids, doing game provention programs. And I started a sports program, a a U team because I was started the kids, you know, and then I'm

one of the kids really participating in basketball. So you end up starting them programs and educational program So first I thought I was just gonna go up there and just you know, get out for parole. So I was still I really started liking the kids. So I started going to Compton and pick up the kids, like the Morrow and then the kids people. Ya don't know that he he was very instrumental helping the Morrow, the Rosa, uh, you know, get his get his career going on the South.

So I got a few kids right now and that's in the league. Like when I started the traveling team, end up building it from one team to like eight teams, and I'm traveling all over with the kids raising money. Um that was my nister. I knew how to raise the money because I had a lot of celebrities, and so I've raised money to take these kids all over the country. You also, uh have a good relationship with mamter P. That relationship we've been tight even like families

from Louisiana. So we actually friends before we even he made it big. We knew each other. Then my father knew his father, that kind of stuff. So now you grew up in Compton, What part of Compton, what neighborhood area where did you first, you know, get your start at and in uh Compton corner pocket, coming by crib stones. My neighbors like I'm I'm been knowing them all my life. We grew up on the same street. What's that Jerry Stone and what's the other one? Michael Michael Stone, Anthony

and punching and all. I'm like, we lived like four houses that five hours of down. So it was it like growing up over there in corner Pocket. I mean, it was it was growing up then. You know, we're talking about sixty four when I was born. I mean I got shot in seventy six, like when I was twelve, gang violence stuff like that. But fifty four, yeah, look good for you. Yeah. So I mean just like any other normal family growing up, and you know, the gang

stuff start coming. I think Pocketed like seventy two. So I was not involved in it until like seventy seven, seventy eight, just claiming neighbor because it wasn't I didn't get jumped in the gang. This is where I'm from, so I didn't had to get jump in the game. This is where you know, we riding bikes and stuff like that that we became that going to Pocket. It's like just like every neighborhood had started. Like you you're

fund man, that's where you're gonna be fun. You've been a company guy in freeway in l a guy had tod y'all meet just having money type, like you know, that kind of stuff being in the game. You know each other, you know each other, like, oh, that's food from you, you know. And then I mean, but I wasn't just regular dudes on the street, you know, it was just it was just money, like, yeah, a little bit better in the game than others. And you're right there.

The Carver Carver Park is close by to Carver Park, you know. Then Clocketing Carver Park was tight when we like I went to sten you for my first year un till my friend Norman got killed like nineteen eighty, like got shot in the head with me there. So that was like one of the biggest well not the biggest, but one of the first out of school nineteen eighty. So I got shot in the head while we're going to centen because then that Centennia was cryptonpart over there anyway.

But then it was like then when he got killed, they kicked all of us out and we end up going to compt and that's how we had like we had to go to compt and like kicked everybody out that lives in the pocket, so district. We got to redistrict this real quick. And James, you went to Centennial also, right, I went. I didn't go to class, but I went to Jenny Man. I I remember like putting us to come up there, like you know, I was, I was ditching in the ninth grade. I was going with the

Walton but I used to go up there. But she used to come up there, Like, man, why is this old dude coming up there? Man? Grade? Like he'd come up there because hang out selling single joints. He's talking about putting y'all, yeah, picking up his good friends. That was then. That was. But to me, I ask you, do you regret any of that the game banging days.

I mean, a lot of people died, like a lot of people that you know, it's terrible if you really think about like that's the stupidest shit ever, Like if you think about it now, like how do you even I think about it now? And and I do say, you know, if I know what I know now, I would have never been like that. Um. I think gang banging create monsters inside of the ball of us, you know, and then when you get older, you you reflecting that should and you'll be saying like damn, I know I

wouldn't get down like that, you know. I mean a lot of times, like even your brother used to be in a cart with me, like because because Manny and I raq all in my family so used to go over there, like they all knew me because I was you know, I was hitting everybody over there. So it was like, you know, people gave me a pass because

of that reason. Like I remember, just like I mean, you're bringing everybody, you got them all right, ship got riding motorcycles and cause anybody not just saying nothing to that guy. So it was cool with a lot of pirrous. Yeah, like everybody in FRUITTI like it was all about that, like purple okay whatever. A lot of people at a Staters out of towners don't understand the idea that Piru and the crib Can function together. Were the same bus

to school with the team. The bus picked us up in stock with they get they come from that side, get on the bus and we came from this side. Kind of bus. We fought on all the way to the things back they pick us up, dropping back off. It's crazy ship. This is you know, this is eighty Yeah, like you know, you got a lot of like you say, eighties people are getting shot in eighty two, but not like you know eighties, five, six, eight up, but like eighty yeah started game making them start to been able

to get the high. Yeah that control. Then you don't have to break in the neighborhouse to get the guy girlfriend. However, you got it now. I noticed over the years, you don't really talk a lot about the neighborhood you grew up in. I was wondering you just you don't really go there too much. I mean, you know, everybody, especially people from Compton, are always saying what part of the neighborhood they're from or where they grew up. And he was mainly known as the man not a game. Yeah

that's true. You know both parts played. He played both parts, but that he may have one title, yeah yeah, the kid of titles. So even carrying those titles. I mean, you know, some of the little kids might look at you right now and say that's what's going right there. That's when they used to. I mean it's crazy because you can't. People want did you live past that? That's true because you know, I put I put my name in there they say Corning Pike Crib like on the internet. Yeah,

they don't let you live past that. Even with all the stuff that I do now, and there's always like, you know, it's either the Cohen Pike Crib is either the Freeway race story it's up. It ain't that out. And I've done films. I just you know, I did the movie VACS, like about the vaccination. I got some stuff that I've done. I gotta deal with Netflix. I really do movies now, but it's still, you know, I think it's just now saying that I'm a producer um

CEO this company. But it took a while. Well let's talk about that Netflix deal. That was a Compton project. Let's take us to the beginning of that that deal right there. Well, this was something I was already doing. And a matter of fact, Timmy Rule, Timmy Rout was with me when I first started this, like I was building houses in Competent and him and man when I first started doing this in Competent. What happened We started that guys did a game prevention program in Compton. We

started off with like eight dudes, not four dudes. It's stuff. Then when big I don't know it's hundreds of dudes coming. I satted up celebrity baseball game cripts and pie routs, right, I mean every neighborhood was involved, and so it was promised jobs, you know, the dudes like, yeah, I'll do this. We're gonna make sure y'all get some jobs and ship. It never happened. So I decided like, oh man, this

is terrible. Like the dudes looking at me like chick man, he said this, you said that, And I was like, So I started a person in the house and come. So I put the house like, man, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get the house. I know all y'all learned to scale like in jail. So I'm gonna take y'all and y'all gonna fix the house, and I'm gonna pay y'all like that. So I was doing that. I was going to the mile, but I was getting them. I was throughtown and so I put five cripts and

five pipe routs together. So I started building houses in Compton, just refurbishing them. I was paying them out of my pocket, like I give. I was giving him a hundred dollars a day. I think I had twelve to it because I was paying the twelve OEt of dollars of day. So this kept going on for years. I was kept buying houses, kept eating in the house. And then I'm telling Penny Penny more so, like she said, so what are you doing? Like are you're giving back? Like yeah,

this is what I'm doing, she said. So I had videotapes on my phone and I was showing them like these dudes in these Christian PROBERTI was they getting a loan. Look, they're really getting a loan because they're working. And so Penny were like, what you call Mark, Mark Wahlburt, And she said, called Mark and show him this. I think this is something that you can do and we should really get behind you and help you. So Mark told me to come to his house. I went to his

house and I showed it to him. Like she goes, what if you what if you start building like Youth Sentence in Compton and baseball Field, But you know if if they if the if the buildings are available, we'll help you raise the money to buy the building. So I'm like cool, Like all right, So I went to count and found the buildings like say, like Cynthia and the building that was one of the first ones. I was gonna do it, like yeah, but I and I and I said it was cool because I like, I

just want to redo it. Like so now at this point is like, okay, you gotta get permission from the city, like, okay, write a proposed. I did all that stuff, so I got Mark Warburg and then like give me the money, you know, Chico, go ahead and just do it and just keep doing it. Rebuild your sitting. Then we would come making. So that's where at first I had an HBO and then we took it to somewhere else than Netflix. Loved the idea. Some Netflix like it's great, you can meet,

let's do that. So I ended up submitting about proposal. But we still work. We never started working. So the dudes is working filming. I was feeling like six or seven months because the dudes. I got the dudes working, but I'm thinking no reason that they would say no because I'm giving the money. I got the dudes working, and the dudes everybody happy because they getting you know, I'm paying the twelve huts weeks. So everybody just working and happy. And then what happened when they denied this

because of the you know with the politics. Okay, talk about how that vote had a impact on this program.

Let me be advocate to say their side of the of the of why they say, because I'm a little confused on why does the Compton City Council have any say so over a private show between private entities because the buildings that I wanted to do was owned by the city by the city, and it was in redevelopment, and that they were having to while put all this money into a building when they have to give it back to the state. Is the people that against But

it was all politics. It was this young lady on the board, uh Jana um Zarita, I'm saying her name correct. And the young lady that he has a good relationship with his the mayor, which is Asia Brown. Anything that she was voting and someone got her on on tape and it anything that she the Asia was four or even it was good for the city. And that don't make no sense because years this is his money he's putting up. Now, if you're helping us, this man is

helping gang bangers get to get off the street. Ain't nobody else doing this in Compton? I got down down in one work Big Dave Ducky, I mean ship, I had everybody on the thing like you know still today, Well they'd need a job. They got Chris Brown in the head locked right now, and you know what that's that is so crazy, all all your rivals, you're working with him in that you did win him in a different way. And that's that's the coldest part about this.

Everybody don't see you got you got Bloods, Encryption, Compton finding each other, killing each other every day. But now at the end of the day, you got a man hiring Bloods, which he could have kept that just to his side of the city. It was worth you know, sometimes you gotta sacrifice stuff to happen. It was worth it in my opinion, for for that to go down, because that eventually hurt her. He lost her job as a June. Jana's Rita is not a city council member.

Should you shooting put this again? You know, and they want me to bring it back, but it's just, you know, the controversion that went, Like Netflix never wanted the consperence. It was just me going in there to do Gonzales part, to do Sentiate building, to do the golf course, like the controversy like Chico, you know, what's this conference? Why

is they saying no? They couldn't believe that they were saying no when I raised the money to bring it to the city, and what they would say, you know, I'm just trying to like both sides to tell it. They would say, well, we don't need to do anything. You heard, you heard nobody this offer on the on the golf course. That's golfing. You hurd the homeless. So why you ain't going out to help the homeless and all of that. But it wasn't about that. It was

just that they anything positive. That's why our streets and all of that is still messed up in the city. It's because anything that was positives going on those three those those three they they they voted that like it laughs. And I'm telling them, like when they did that, I was like, you know, we sideboard like that, I really did this. You're gonna do this for real? And they were like, well, you know, but every three no votes though, so it took more than she controlled all three of

the votes. So if there was a revote and after the council members changed, like you said, they're gonna have to go through the red tape and all the politics down there, and they're gonna say yeah, like they will

say because it's something positive. I mean, this literally cost this woman her job, I believe, Like I mean, iked no question to co Yeah, yeah, this cost to her her job, and so I'm pretty sure she would she would retake Well, what really cost her job is because it happens all the time, but somebody was smart enough to catch it on tape, her pretty much saying it,

and the social media. I was filming the show, right, it's five cameras in there, and I got post sole around the wall that we're filming show in the Mexican guy stood up and said, while all these cameras in there, that's on the tape too, and they told him that the city manager said he has the right and he

has to permit. They said all of this in there, and she still made the statement and said all that about the man the East Ship and die she would never vote for She said that on tape that I mean, everybody media, I'm sure to you, I have the whole trailer, like it's terrible to watch, Like, so, how difficult will it be to reconnect with Netflix after the no vote. Are we still talking? And what's it like working with

Mark Wahlberg? Mark? Mark is a real dude, Like you know, I've traveled with him, like you know, go to Boston was parents and Mark actually helped He gave me, like you know, I bought the building. He actually bought a building for me on Weston like years ago, like probably twelve years ago. Like I've been working with once since I came home. So's he's actually acutive producer of other TV show meet him and Penny sause they could produce that is those names, those names alone, lay ship want

to do it? Yeah, with just those two names alone. So without Penny, uh, does it create challenges to keep the show going. The only thing was messed up the show was the consen what's is crazy to me? And the show was gonna show not only show was gonna

help a content. We're just gonna take this to New York Chicago and do it all over, do it all over and take the guys from their city and show that you got Krypton pote roules who was killing each other and yeah, and I'll be getting calls from right now like we had do the show like even like Lord l A. Lynnwood. You know they want me to come to the city. That's just too positive for these for people, just too well, no, I think the right, that's all. Yeah, that's all. It was just fortunately for

the city and the community. You know, you need to invest, I mean investigate the part about what they are saying about the state owned buildings, you know and REDI development. But that's their biggest that's their only defense is that the building that they're about to invest the money and we have to get back to the state. We don't the city, meaning the city doesn't own them. So the City of commun doesn't even own these buildings. That's what

they say. That's what they say, that they own the building. Like they're take it that we've been working at the golf of course sixty years. Will who the guy that runs the golf course, part three sixty part three of them, there's never been no work done on the golf course.

So when I went over there and asked him, he was so happy, like, you know, we're gonna do this, and I like, you know, have a celebrity golf thing here and make sure that your building, like you know, it's been a million dollars on this building, but if they're just gonna make people come to Compton. He was so hurt that he didn't get past man like he

actually quit. He's a city employee, you've been there for six t is who's the front running from city manager now that I Rambo resigned, resigned and like that everything that happened happened for a reason, like it just to do a big curve in the whole Compton politics. What was it? Was it true to Jana not Jana Satra and Rambo was in a relationship party that that I don't even know. I know who who does this? No vote hurt the most that this project got stalled, Like

who's who's really affected by this? The most people to own a building decryption problem was me? It is bestly too, because you know it's about production. A lot of people mad at you because they think you have something to do with the no vote. No, that you didn't do something, You didn't work hard enough to get this voted through on like every day, Like like the crew is say, altogether there has to be like thirty or forty years old,

is that they did all this go down? The actually feeling we started feeling problems and when they got finally denied December. It's not that old six months ago Decembers, but you know we still meet. You know, it would end up building the studio, like a private studio in the building some stuff, like found the building in Compton, Like we we meet over there now. But it's it's just like the city of have nothing to do with it. Well,

we still talk, like we still talk every day. What it did, dude like got her all office, got dudes that we're never talking like her in and then somebody else little yeah, the other dude trying to Yeah, sometimes it's not good to all on yourself with people. So if Omar was actually Mayor, this wouldn't happen either, because he was together. He was actually helping her. Yeah, she didn't want to associate herself with him too much. Help Asia Okay, not Asia, Jina Okay. Yeah, Omar was held

from Jina and it kind of hurt him. He kind of try to say a distance because him and the roy Guillery doesn't get along that well. They called him Bishop or something like that, but they don't get on, and so he was trying to cut a distance. But of course Bishop is getting the blame down for you know, because Omar said to see if he would listen to me, you were the one. So they're gonna through all of

that right now. But I got a question, Yeah, do you do you or have you had any resistance from different sides, like how do you balance this guy's working together? We had to meet the Compton party two or three weeks. It tells the age of the people. So that's that's the biggin. You got to know the age of you know, like you know, older dudes like me. But then we bought the younger dudes in by three weeks ago at the church. It was it was interesting, Okay, what age

is that when you say younger eight? Usually the hardheads. It was you know, it kind of went down, but it was cool. It was like it was in the newspaper of the day that that stuff that was in. It was time to the nice art that we did it. It was real nice though. It was like it was like, I don't know, pot the seventy eight of us. The meeting went good. We're talking about the meeting went good. It went good, but you know it got kind of heated and ship well, I mean, you know you're gonna

have some knuckleheads in the crowd. You know you got those. I'm this for one hundred on both sides. My question is like just like just working with both sides. No, Man, that was like the most excited and fascinating stuff because we really get you know. I mean there's people who shot somebody from my neighborhood and we noticed, like you're shot in and shot him. We're talking about this. You're all doing the ninety two right, I mean the truths. Yeah,

and we talked about that too. That did not work out, Will, Yeah, we were like, when you know, no, I worked out pretty good. Come one had the lowest crime rate yan gang homicide rate since the year following. It had its own reasons for not It may not have lasted as long as people wanted it to last, but some people will tell you that it still lasted to them. You know. It had a different impact on everyone in a different way, you know, but I think it did have an impact.

Look at them homicide number. You have the right guys over the little youngsters that that will that that that have enough influence over them to talk. That's the main thing. Yeah, because the youngsters is the one that the old hands like Jays. That was one of my questions, like like you do with the older catch, which they already but

each dude, like how we set it up. Each dude was supposed to go back to his neighborhood, like say, somebody representing this neighborhood and you gotta go back to your neighbor and talk to the honest And that's how we was doing the whole program, Like that was your thing for being a part of the game. Convincing thing. You gotta has to be somebody to go over there and they can talk to them something. Sometimes these youngsters

ain't listening to the old gs. And then you see, these are the ones I truly believe we got to reach because if you stop this kid, his mentality is gonna be different when he when he had a kid, and he ain't gonna want to think like that. All the youngsters are the ones is out there today active. You don't got too many fifty year old kids out there, like really active, you know what I'm saying. But the respect though, no, but you're no good if you're not active.

And Luke Cash look at that, Oh he ain't doing what we're doing. We out here wolf just keeping him one hunted. So my thing is if you if you take the youngsters and put them in there just doing demolition, exactly what I was doing. Like yeah, I got some youngsters too. That was like one part of the program. And you gotta be you gotta tease this dude. Man, you gotta go back showing them that like look, man, as you part of this community too, we need you.

So he can go back and tell the dude check man, I'm tired. I don't want like I was doing houses way in the valley, dudes coming home tired, man, like manny them like I had new working ain't so tired. Working was the first thing they ever had. They never had no job, so using and moving their bodies the way they was. I mean they wouldn't use to that. They was used to waking up in the hood, hitting

the block. Let's do what they do. So, I mean, it's something different for everybody because I believe, like for real, man, nobody was born the big Game member, Like you know, that's it. You know, you get attached to the lifestyle because you go outside your dice, drink whatever, and then that like you said, you have a kid, you got responsibilities, and that's the part that most of your youngsters don't understand,

like the responsibility part of it. And then once you get older, you get the thing like, damn man, I wasted all this time doing this for and give him a pay check when they're is you robbed somebody? You spend that money like that, But when you earn that money, bottom shoes. I ain't been a pace to spend all my money on nothing. You know what I'm saying, is they they they you become more frugal with your money. Yeah,

you have to. You have to. So that's what that's what they need to be chump man, and exactly what we're trying to do. The program would really help because he's like and we do like a lot of the sports program is done in kind of like the baseball stuff. We all grew up like we knew each other. If you're from fruit time where we all knew each other. We played baseball South part and I played basketball. I lose part when I was a kid, Like you know,

the basketball program was in. So all that stuff got taken away and then you want this can you ain't have nothing? Apple time, It's gonna get you some I always say that, I said they don't want our previous shows that in still putting all this money into the law enforcement and all of that, we really need to

start getting that money back into the parking recreations. That's exactly like like me, that's what I'm trying to do now, like rebuild and revitalize the whole sports and wreck like you know, these kids got even like if it's boxing, whatever it is, you gotta get these kids something to do.

They'll have nothing to do. They're gonna find something. And there's a lot of them that they got some squabble that ship being some gloves, you'll get a whole bunch of them to come through there that's worthy, are aware and some gloves. You got a lot of them out there. And they love to fight. Yeah, they love to fight. My whole thing, I've always dreamed that I had a building and I had the older guys that was doing breaks, alternatives and ship like that, teaching the kids how to

do that. Yeah, and they took all that out of school, like even the woodshop and left the metal shop. Oh that was taking out and I had that I don't know, and it was so stuff like that. We got to keep the kids involved. If not. I mean, you know a lot of people don't want to see it happy, Like let's keep the community. Yeah, James always been big on teaching the trade. Yeah, everybody's not gonna go to

college and go to school. Let's teach you out to trade where you can still make money because you're making breaks, doing breaks and working on cars, and it's gonna always be a business for them. Absolutely not everybody want to go to university, and you don't have to. If you learn it here and you and where you're learning, and that you can be certified from there, then it's worth it.

You know, going to somebody's garage and learning it. They're not gonna certify you just because you learned that that uncle's garage. So you have to have a building where a program where you can be certified. Man, you know something like that, and then say I got some under my build, I'm gonna go get a job. I'm gonna do this. It's something we love to do. You know

what I'm saying. If you run the streets all day, twenty four hours a day in a car and getting high and leaned out and just d can, you ain't gonna want to do nothing. But if you wake up and go here learn how to put on your time. I watched this one black guy just giving out suits to the young brothers and and and it made them, it made him feel good about thisselves. You know what

I'm saying. That's what comes to me. That's what And if everybody working on their own city like that, then you can take it from your city to this city to that city and don't have no problems. My city good, my backyard clean. Stept at centennial of high school. They're they're in Raeford. He did a thing when he had all types of black men come in to teach him how to tie tie and gave him a t I donate tis to teach him how to hire tie. You know a little brother that goes a long way that

is little from Pyro brother. Yeah, who never gaged banged by the way for a couple of years because because my whole costs up on the competent rise that I was doing. Like because everybody, when you go to prison, you're gonna get a job. So is it plumbing, if it's drywall, if it's payton. So I was like every dude, everybody, all of us went to prison, but nobody want to hire. So what if we just started the construction company? What you learned how to do? Yeah, that's that's how I started.

Like you know, the town says, so it was time putting the floors in Like so yeah, man, yeah all that is real, Like I was a plumber in prison, like you know what I'm saying, Like the teacher got the whole everything because you run the prison. So take that trade from prison and bring it back out to the streets. But they're not gonna hire you. I have to. We have to hire you, like we gotta make this

this happen. So that was the whole concept of the show, Like these dudes went to prison, came home like everybody was on the show. All of them went to prison, and the good thing would have shown other at what we can do and make them not be scared to

take a chance on hardness exactly. And then then right now, like for real, after all this stuff came out, then I'm gonna show you all once we finished, I'm gonna show you all the show and you see the dudes where it can we're doing this eating together everything like some way out like it needs to dudes, who was you know when the eighties was killing each other. Man, I hope, I hope you get that back and going, yeah, I think we need to We got a feature the Brothers. Man.

I ac truly I should have God. I applaud you, like like because what you're doing a lot of cats out of Compton that have money or had should have been doing this a long time ago. And and and I like one hundred applaud you because you didn't only look out for your own people. You looked out for your black people. And you got the Bloods and Crypts doing the thing. And man, just the cold thing. Like we was eating dinner or eating lunch and every day and we talked about all the you know, we talked

about this stuff like many everybody. Everybody want to go back and help man grab to do because because I remember, like I don't know about four or five years ago, because when I first started this and I had a celebrity I had a I didn't even call a celebrity game, but I had to have Penny market on him come. But it was krypton part rous planning each other at Compton College. And we so it was like five thousand people.

Every neighborhood was at this place, at the thing in the police were like, chick, I don't know how you did it. I don't even know how this is even possible. This sounds like every neighborhood was there, man, and everybody's shaking it in. You know. We got a picture with just it's so many crypti part rules on the field and it was it was great, Like no, nothing happened like what happened the folding weeks that nobody got a job and that's what that's how the program went away.

Like I actually like, you know, no, I can't get down like this if I promises do job. I promising this and it don't happen. So I stepped away from the program. It I was the president that would have got exposed on next that it's gonna happen. It's still gonna happen. It's just a fact, like you know, like a lot of people take a chance with some people. Yeah, you know, I'm still today. Like the little piece that you guys saw, just a little piece, like I'm gonna

show you the trailer. It's like twenty two minutes, but it's dudes, like we actually building the building, tearing it down and how to building like today, is the trailer posted anywhere online? Are you keeping everything off for now? Yes? Like, but like I showed it because you know, yeah, no, I w wasn't shoving around because the piece what happened, the little piece that everybody saw, because I showed it to somebody and they've at least it. So that's how

that happened, and it's still out there now. That's that's the piece they showed and that's how she end up losing the job. Okay, that's the argument is And whatever taping we're talking bragging about, she got three votes. Yeah, that that's all on the tape. That's on the same one. That's on the tape. That's all that's all feature in in that video. You alright, Well, I think we're about

at a time. But thanks Chico for coming down. Keep us updated, Please keep us updated on this Netflix project, man, because you gotta do whatever it takes to get this thing done. Man. Yeah, you know it's it's it's gonna happen. It's it's powerful before we wrap, and you ain't just gotta do it in comfortable, yeah, but before we wrap, do you deal directly as um being part of ag entertainment which is your company A G G Entertainment. Do you deal directly with Netflix or do you have to

go through a production company? How? How for other people who have ideas and want to produce and want to create, how does one get their project on Netflix? Lap This this the first time I did. But I walk in there with Penny marsh and Mark Wallberg as my executive producers. So you know, if you do the work, then you know they want content. You just gotta be some good content, you know. But you can't just walk into the doors

of Netflix like you did. The name. Yeah. So a lot of people listening to are saying, damn, I don't know. I don't know product Like I got a full flares production company like UM editing rooms and all that, like Cinema Leebra. I'm the president too at Cinema Lebre Studios. So are you constantly looking for new content all the time all the time? Okay, I'm doing some films right now, and you can walk in with the idea and we

put it on paper. I have meetings like every Monday, black group of writers that write these stories, and you know, we got a full flaed But I mean that distributed films too. So how do people get in touch with the who are listening to this podcast right now that want to talk to you about their content. You can email me at Chico uh C H I C O, B R O W and forty nine at gmail dot com and then once we talk, then I'll give you

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