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about that? Okay, we'll shoot you asked us a couple of good questions, Alonso at the beginning, So we'll let you just access the questions and all right, well, can and recording sessions. Who really got beat up at that studio? Who didn't? I mean, you had all types of situations that was going on there. Most of it was is overexaggerated or blown up, blown up. But um, you know, artists got dealt with and not artists are not the artist we know, you know, not Snoop or Park or

Dre or people like that. There's people that was trying to get on I was trying to do stuff that wasn't taking the business serious seriously. Some of the things like that. It was mainly homies on homie stuff, uh, to be honest, Uh, and it never was or I don't know even situations like uh, you know the mob against the Lone Beach crops that was mainly associated with us or anything like that. I don't have any situations

like that. You know, we all know the warrngy getting his chain snatched and and and then you know big c Style and Trade D came and trying to talk. She'll get to make sure you're getting the chain back and stuff like that, and was able to get that chain back. That's Trade D version, Trade D version. Everybody got a version. And keep telling people it wasn't like people saying, you know, I saw him on Blas and

said he would have did this. So did that people have respect for each other and then go down like that, Why warren't you gotta change taking? I don't know, but she, you know, talk to whoever that took the chain from them and they gave Orange pitch Ass back his chain. James, will you at any of those candamn studio sessions? I didn't do. I didn't Uh. I didn't hang out with them like that at that. Uh. I was tired of

fighting what you're were talking about during these canamn studio sessions. Well, this particularly incident was like ninety four, early before Paul got there. Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's before got there. Pa got there. For those of you don't know, November October ninety five, you really can't name now place that death row was that that nobody got the answhopped in everywhere we went, somebody got for no reason at all,

some of them. It's a crazy way to run a corporation, though, man U, multimillion dollar corporation, hundreds of millions of dollars coming in. But that's what it's easy to say. You're hard to say because how many of the corporations have guys fresh out on the streets from the penitentiaries working for him? Yeah, hey, I was loving it. The Rams was my favorite incident when we beat the Rams, right, Uh, they was mad at Shild stretched shield car. Shild came

got us. We used at the Roxberry and uh, Shill came out. I mean we was drinking like it was the thing to do and there was no questions asked. We didn't find out too after what what the situation was. But but once once it was over and we worked them and these were some big These were some big boys. And uh that man def Ro deth Ro had his days on on uh making sure they was known. All right, Let's move on to another question here. Someone wanted to

know was DJ Quick? I mean, I know the answer to this, But was DJ quickly ever signed the death Row? Why is that even a question? Is there a confusion about J Quick was instrumental of being up at Candam Studio. But what we all know, DJ Quick was signed the Protfile Records, which was the label that Ron DMC and all of them were signed to back in New York. Uh. Most people think Ron DMC and then we was signed to what depth jail, not the fact they were signed

the Profile. But DJ Quick was signed to ship as a producer UM, but not as an artist. And that ship was also managing with this contract with UM with with Profile Records. Are getting some business handled like he did for Mary J. Blide. Wasn't he managing DJ Quick before even death Row blew up? Now that came after? That came later, Yeah, that came later. He had people that was with DJ Quick. You know Tony Lane. Shout

out Tony Lane. I hope he's feeling better. People like that that was was dealing with was Quick or was trying to help him out um with the situation. But now sure Ship then uh Quick relationship didn't start up

until after that for what was doing this night. So technically he was signed a death row, but as a producer only a producer only, and Ship was managing he and trying to get his paperwork and getting this stuff situation right with Profile, just like we know of him doing with Joe to See and Mary j. So if Quick wasn't find obligate because he was contractly obligated to Profile Profile, he probably would have put something out on death row if he didn't have that contract. Oh, he

did a couple of songs for him. A matter of fact, I reached back to a Quick while she was in jail and on death row and cut because he always wanted to do a video for Black Pussy Man. And I was like, okay, Quick, you know what, we got some money we over here, peanuts right now doing something. Come on over here, we're going to shoot this little video to the soul black Pussy And we just did that for him, you know, and shot you know, and

shot that video. So y'all check out Black Pussy. It was never released commercially or anything like that, but you know it's out there on the internet. It was a hot song back in on his album. I think Jane did you cross pass with DJ Quick During these years, Oh man, I've been knowing that that little cat from their neighborhood. Man, the homeboys, they're gonna get you there from tree Top. But he was doing everybody don't know,

we're looking tree Top the same right. No, they actually called the truth tree Top, Fruit Town, the west Side far Rouge, they all called the truth right now fire But yeah, I knew him when he was was mixing his tape. Let me let me cut you all that cease far done after the Nimpsey thing or just done before that. No, this was just recently done. See everybody taking follow following suit. That's the one thing that's happening from the West Side with the guys from sixties and

uh eight trade and all they're doing. I noticed a lot of games are starting to try to do the truth thing in their neighborhood. But about discussions between the Fruit Towns and the tree Top. But get back to what you were saying, James. I've been knowing since he was just doing his little mixtapes and all that. We was doing our thing, he was doing his thing. But yeah, I've been knowing him for a minute. Cool time. Alright. So another another person wanted to know, was Tupac broke

before he died. I mean, it's funny, but it's not funny. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the best conception. Um, well, number one, when he was in jails, he was broke. That's why we reached out to him, or that's why he had his girl. His wife at the time reached out the show. That was what s going on when she reached out and called and just was like, hey, I need some money and fifteen heavy. Uh make arrangements to get fifteen thousand. Now let's put on his books. Um,

he was, you know, have financial situation then. So how the conversation went was should girl his wife not sulgar wife. Tupac's wife reached out, I can't think of her name, Keisha, I think, reached out the ship and was like, hey, Park needs some money put on his book. So you want to, you know, see what you can do. Because they interscope not looking out for him right now. They're saying that he's unrecouped, and so she'll immediately shot fifteen

dollars and put on his books. Didn't take anything of it. You know, he had already tried to solicit Pop as far as being on death roll and all of that, and Park to it. And I ain't ready for y'all. Y'all too wild over there. And so Sho parked then reached out the ship, made a phone call and got on the phone, say, hey, should can you come and see me? I need you to come up here and see me because people don't know. Park was having it hard in prison. I mean, I know we all have

it hard, but he's having it especially hard. It was rumors of things that that happened to him out there that y'all didn't heard. I've heard a few rumors, but I never believe all right, But anyway, you ain't getting me speaking on that, just getting anyway. So we reached out to him and went up there and visit and visit Park while he was in jail, and Shill went

in and at that time he came back. I just remember him coming back, you know, to the limo and said, man, Pockets, you know, he ain't doing well, but we're gonna try to get him on death Row. He wanted to be down and go try to get some of his money from Interscope and he wants me to look out, and so we went up there and made about two or

three trips up there. Eventually, David Kinner the company attorney and was handling most of the business affairs, we went up there with us and they came up with a way to get him out of prison, and they got him out and got him signed. All that he pretty much asked for was for Shipped. H helped get his MoMA in the house and to get him out, and that's what Ship did. Got his mama situated with a house out in Atlanta, and we eventually got him out of jail on a bond. You know, people be like, oh,

death Row didn't put up any money or anything like that. Okay, yeah, should going to put up seven hundred and fifty of the million and a half. But the other seven hundred fifty Interscope put up. But they builded back to there from so you know, just it's like a loan, you know, if you get advance on something and you have to pay it back, But that was guaranteed money they were getting back because they were getting the baddest rapper on earth.

They already had him. They had they had an album Me Against the World, that just sold too million records while he was in prison. But that wasn't a death row record. That was That's my point. They already had him. They just was tired of when you make so many, so much money in millions of dollars, to be like, do I have to deal with us? Why do I have to keep doing with this? That's how white folks think, like, is it is this million dollar gonna change my life anymore? No?

And so that's what you want him no more. They left him in jail and then they didn't try to get him out on an appeal bond. I mean, he was going through so many controversial things that it's probably more of a liability of keeping this artist, especially when they're trying to get it over Time Warner, who was trying to get a cable deal. They had now corporate or big major companies behind them. They weren't just a private company anymore. You know. That's that's what Time Warner

and the Lords Tucker and Bob Duell situations. Y'all go research that, you'll see what all of that was behind. So that was the restraints that Interscope had at the time. So anyway, um, so basically was he broke or not? Okay, but the question was when he died. So I'm saying, so he's broke. There, we're not doing well. So he came to death Row, did all of this stuff. His first album commercial release was released on death Row February All Eyes on Me, amazing album Anybody that was a

double CD, double CD. We had, did all those videos which could bills back to the artist. He had cars. He was living on on Wilshire in the penthouse. First before that he was living in a Peninsula hotel at two rooms for his homeboy Big Psych and Bowl and then one of my security guards and then he was standing in the penhoffs. So you got all of that money's been spent the day. My point is he has spent a lot of money, had all of this unlimited

studio time. We know, we see how much records was there. All of that gets to build back to the artists and the videos and all of that. And then this is what most people don't know, is it takes a hundred eighty days before a record company is supposed to give you a county or give you you know, you know you're what you made like an expensive for Yeah, you're expensive for what you But he did so well, he was in the positive. But there was money been spent.

Some people are like, well, well that's why y'all, that's why he was killed. That's why they had you killed because y'all knew all this money that y'all was going on. Now, it wasn't that much money that was gonna be old to him, but he wasn't due accounting yet. It is my question. So he had money. But it's funny to me why people always say why death Road cheated anymore? Why death Row didn't give him all the money when we forgot he did two movies? Where is that money?

She had no control over his movie moneys. He had a publishing deal. He didn't have a public suding deal with Marrying Night or shild Night Publishing or death Row, So where is that money? So people just don't realize it. You know, the money wasn't due yet when he died. When he got killed, I understanding, So what did the money go? If he got killed and it was old on where did it go? Wouldn't there be state that

gets the money. That's who got it. The state got it by the time she would have got a larger you know, she had to get the business, right. I understand why that would be a mother and the mother who bart who had money to buy out the daddy, because you know, that's what people don't understand. She did a great smart business move by done on this part in my mind, but she paid out his natural daddy seven hollars to get him out of the way where she became near because he was coming. He was kind.

He's just as much right and she does um. And you know when you don't have a will, a will or trust or stink, that's why people, black folks, we got to get the trust, so the living trusting how you can have stuff done the way you want to done when you die, because we never know what we're gonna die. Go ahead, ja. So technically he didn't have no money, but when he died he had in the state. He had a hundred some thous in his account. Everything was being paid paid for, but he had money coming.

Like I said, if we do the math on the dates, from when this album was released to the time he you know, he died, it wasn't within a days yet with your six months and plus you had money coming in. Probably when he passed, he was probably at the peak of his money earning ability at that time, probably the

most he made any previous. And you know when people say, well, where was the money from me against the World and all that, Well he was unrecoup because we forget he had all the legal fees and think is that was going on in its life that caused him to be in that situation And most people don't know you don't make as much money as we think off of albums. Where you generally make your money is from your publishing deals and from your from your shows. You're basically making

like a dollar per cdu. So yeah, all right, last part on this death Row history because we we we'll talk a little bit about death Row every episode. But last question is people want to know more about your background, James and death Row and what you were doing. Gift to give us a little brief synopsis of what you were doing when you were there. Where I started before it was death Row, it was Furnair Records. When I started with shug Um. Uh basically just just right here man,

just just security. Uh. I went where he went. We did the bubb Wiser stupid fest Um. We worked with Thomas Klein. We had they had so many different um jobs that I mean said I was. I was there all the way till uh getting um Mischel and Dre's contract from Rufless when the was around two. Then yeah, because his Yeah, when he uh, he was more in

support with Sugar and just kicking it with Sugar. I remember when Sugar gave him his car that that uh, the the Carvette, the car that he had the accident in, and uh, he was all messed up, but he was just basically hanging around Sugar at the time, and uh he was doing this thing. But I did all kinds of stuff with Sugar until I went to jail with separators. And nine was two and ninety two. I went to jail for attempted murder and uh what me and one

of my little homes. And I stayed in there nine ten months finding the case, and uh came home, came back. When I came back, a lot of it was different, A lot of it was different. And then going back and forth up there and then we opened up. Let me ride out Dralics. So I took a shot at the Draflic shops building cars and stuff whatever. You Uh, A lot of history should and during your brother was still locked up. He didn't. He was in prison. He was doing nine years at the time for the assault

on the police officer. And Uh, I always told you when you when you come home, you're gonna be all right. I got you. You got a spot. And we ran across each other when they sent me from the penetention to the county jail. He was um in the county jail already. We ran across each other and he had came home, so we was and and I haven't I didn't see him for what eleven years since then from

that point because eleven years I didn't see him. Two years prior to him going to jail, he did seven and a half, almost eight years after nine and a half, and he was going for a minute. Then he came on, gave him a job and that was it. That was it. Uh. For those of y'all don't know who his brother is, Bunty uh Sills right here, man Bunchy and Alton McDonald. Yeah, he became the right hand. Man. I was, I was wonder that was scared to fly. And you know Sugar

was going North Carolina, New York and all this. I wasn't getting on the plane like that. Uh. We got on the plane one time. Man, it was raining and thundering, and I couldn't do it. So you go with Shig and a bunch of started going with him, and that's when him and bunch of me and Sugar got closer. And then this when all the Jake's and the Harns and all and all the other guys came in. So it was good for a minute. It was good for a minute. Alright, So let's move on to uh our

next topic here. UH former Sheriff Lee Baca, who was convicted of police corruption a couple of years ago, lost his I would say, his final appeal, although there is a chance for one more appeal. But he's seventy six years old. He's a convicted felon. I guess he was supposed to do five years. Maybe it's three, I'm not exactly sure. Um, what's your take on this? Uh, seventy six year old man that claims now he has Alzheimer's disease. This never came up prior to the investigation that the

FBI had against the sheriff department. But now he's got Alzheimer's, he's seventy six. He doesn't want to do his time in the FEDS. What what say you, James? My take on it is he ain't no different from me and nobody else. They go to jail. They job is to put us in the jail and give us the maximum time for the crime we committed. So I think, man, what's the difference. What's the difference? He committed a crime, you should pay for it. My thing is he only

was sentenced to what three, four or five years? Let's say it's three years. If if this was you or me that committed this type of corruption, we would be looking at ten fifteen. I think he got a sweet deal. In fact, many of the deputies that went to prison under him got six years, seven years, eight years. So how does the head of the whole organization that's involved in you got more time than they did Because he's the main man. He's the main man. What I don't understand.

Reggie helped me understand this. About three or four deputies were sentenced like six, seven, eight, years only doing what Lee Baka told him to do. But lie Baka gets less time than these guys. Number one, lie Baka got put in jail for mainly uh in in charge. That's it. His boy Paul Tanaka is the one that was pulling all the strings. Uh. Lee Baca allowed his undershare which most sheriff does uh to to do all the all the dirty work that was being done. Um, so let's

get that on the table. Um. His main conviction was for lying to the FBI agents, which I knew a lot of brothers that they got uh probation uh damon Thomas on that being being uh b mL situation where he lied to the FBI agents and stuff like that. You'll know him as DJ Assassin or with the underdogs. He he did that and he only got probation out of that. So there's people out there they got it probation from for you know, giving false information to the

FBI agents or or law enforcement agents. So that was the main reason that he was convicted. And so five years is a little steep. The prosecution originally was only given him recommending a six months of jail time and then that's when the judge said or even hold on, that's not enough time. And that's when he pulled the deal off the table. Because what y'all don't know about the fears. Usually the state courts, they don't override what the d A and the defense attorneys come up with.

But with the fans, they the judge to tell you right there when you're taking a deal, Hey, you're taking a gamble, and the prosecution is taking a gamble. It's up to me. They do not give up their power. And that's one of the situations where we learned from where the judge is like, hey, no, um, I won't give more time if you still want to plead guilty, I'm not going to agree to what the U S

Attorney or the assistant US Attorney is is recommended. Wisely, Baa fighting this sentence so much will his pension or other things being impacted by this because he retired. That's the one thing. Only lose your your retirement if you

get convicted of committing a felony while your employed. Liebaka went and went to try to meet with the administration, the Department of Justice in Washington, d C. I remember that in like two thousand, two thousand fourteen, he got back on the plane that Monday, he all of a sudden retired. He retired the next day, and so he already knew that, Hey, they're about to indict my it was coming. It was coming, and so they know they have to say that their their pension by retiring. So

that was a smart move. That was a smart move on his part. What what is the if he didn't retire, does he lose retirement? He would have lost his whole retirement package. If you get convicted of a crime while you're still working, then you'll you'll lose it if you could convicted. Do you think that retiring before you're convicted is a loophole that should exist? Well, how do you know? You know you you know he didn't have to get indicted.

That's just what he felt was coming down the change. Well, I'm just saying, for any any officer or deputy that's charged with a felony and found guilty of it, just because you retired before the conviction came through, is that a loophole that that should exist for officers to take advantage of, Because that's what it is. It's a loophole he didn't have to get He could have retired and didn't get indicted. There's a lot of people I know a couple of years that this speculator doing things or

it was under investigation and never got indicted. So that's because you're getting investigated, don't mean you're gonna get indicted. The point if if you just say Pencing, if he got indicted and he they gave him five years, three years, should he lose everything just because he got convicted of a crime. So why should he get his pension? Yeah, that's basically what I was asking. Why should he get it? Why shouldn't he because it's different from us. I mean,

how's it different from you? If you can lose your job at the trash company and you're gon and let's go. Let's let's go through all the rights and civilians lose when they're convicted of a crime. They lose their rights to vote, to vote, to own a gun, and there's several other rights that we lose. And he lost him as well. Yeah, but I just want to take his livelihood something that he worked thirty years, thirty eight years of doing You want to take that away from him

and his family? Why? I mean, if he did something silly where they consue him and then you you know, you you have to get paid for that, you know, the the particular person that he got in trouble for, because those of y'all don't know the situation. They was hiding an FBI a snitch within the jail that was working for the FBI. They was hiring him within the county system, moving them from because in his mind and

lead walking their minds. So they said, the defense was was that that they were committing a state a state crime and so they were, um, they were felt that him and the FBI agent committed state charges. Well, you can't. The federal government supersedes the state. They have federal laws and they have state laws. Just like here, it's not illegal to uh to possess marijuana or whatever. It is actually illegal. Marijuana is illegal not in the state, not

in the state, in the state, but federally it is. Yes, it is. That was my point was just because you have stayed law. Just like in Utah it's not illegal to have more than one y but federal crimes it is. So what I'm saying different states have different but the way the way lie Baka and Paul Tanaka try to spend it it was that they were going to try to investigate defense like they even threatened that female FBI agent of arresting. And it doesn't to me, tell me

if I'm wrong, they didn't do it. That was the other the other people that you were talking abo. They was under under their command. The way, it doesn't work that the county Law Enforcement department could arrest and investigate a federal law enforcement if you commit a state crime. But they were just investigating abuses in the county jail. That's all it was. And that's why they had federally charged, you know, by by by the they wasn't committed, They

wasn't convicted of doing any state state crime. Well, if Jackie Lacey would have investigated, how do we know that there wasn't anything that that was violated on the state level. Jackie Lazy doesn't investigate any law enforcement since she became the d A of Los Angeles County, and I'm not sure. I don't think I think that was under somebody else's But how do we know that any state um violations didn't occur? You know, all I know is that people

are getting asked in l A County jail. Are they recovering it up and Lee Baca, the sheriff, was covering it up or people up under his command, up under his command. But but Liebaka got word of it, Paul Paul to not Donna Lea Baka got word of it, and they said, hide that inmate. And when you called the snitch, I don't call them snitches when they work for the when when they're investigating the cops. When he

was okay, whatever, But that's what he was. He was a federal informant for the FBI, trying to work off a case for the federally for federal not not even for his state charge that he was in custody for now, James, I know you've heard of many stories people getting their ask being the county jail. Been in the county jail. I was in the gang, monju. Let me just say that deputies and people that does that needs to be violated or are you know, need to go to jail.

These are these are a lot of things that they do and they can't do in the county jail. Take your food with you're with the water holes and leave your land there. But all of those are and all of those things are wrong discussion. Yes, I've been treated like that many times in the county jail. From as soon as I walk in there. You know what I'm saying. They busting you upside of your head. If you take

your shoulder off the wall, you're getting smacked. The next thing you know, you got ten fifteen deputies on you. I've been in the in the gang module where one of the homies was on the phone and they took the phone. He was talking to his mom's caught her a bitch and hung hang up his phone from this bitch. And now as a gang ward and the dogs biting you getting shot with them rubber bullets. So I've been

in that. So they take it totally overboard. Man. It's a cold thing to sleep on some steel in a puddle of water, wet, and and they just closed that game. Media there and stuff like that needs to be investigated. And if I say something or report what they did, it goes unrecognized. You would you call one of your homeboys in the gang module. That's giving the fans information on us getting our asses kicked a snitch. No, that's just his knowledge. That's if we don't say nothing, then

who will? And why were you gotta be a snitch if he's telling, if he's telling how they're treating us in here, telling on the police. No, he's telling how the police is beating us in here, that makes him. I don't know what the case is about. So he asked the question, So is he a snitch because he's telling the phone? He had the phone and I gave him my phone and he was in there. But I'm not saying he was a snitch for that. He said he was a snitch because he was working with the

a F on this case. He's been for me one. They didn't just recruit him. He's always been and always been in there, and like he just went in there and picked out and said, oh let me go get uh James McDonald and James McDonald coming on work for me. He was already an informant of the Okay Ejaculacy took over in two thousand twelves and when these indictments came under,

they were under her tenure. So she did absolutely nothing, um and she absolutely has never really instigated it probably wasn't even brought to her the the answerdent probably wasn't even brought to her. Maybe so maybe so yeah, I don't know, but they didn't they trust me. They then lost their they were embarrassed. Tim Cops been indicted on the on the matter, and the deputy has been indicted and everyone's been in prison except Liebaka and Lee Baker's and he trust me and spent tons of money and

trust me. He's going to even the prosecution to now it's still only recommended that he does two years on on the three years sentence. That to understand it's scary though. Just think out of them eighteen, how many if just say seven of them would have made it to the streets in a in a car. This is what we'd have had to deal with. Oh no, they were past cars. These were people win been in being in cars. And these were sergeants and I think they were all all

different ages. There were some young, some old ones. They was under Paul to knock us ring, which you like you said, you know, yeah, they they you know they were they were following the sergeant's direction as um easy he said in this all. So what do you think about a seventies six year old man, Lee Baka h going to prison? Bill Cosby in jail? True? Yeah, I'm serious If you can like Bill Cosby up and at eighty seven years old, that white man ain't no difference.

We all, well, if I could be, if I kill you and I'm not, you're going to jail. Okay, I'm going to jail. So now we were comparing a person that lied to the FBI to lead drapists. All right, the age difference just because he's so we're just talked about the age. So you think this man shouldn't go to jail. Um, No, you don't think you should serious a little bit of time one year in the fs he's going to do two years. Yeah, but you don't even want him doing two years. I can care less.

I don't know it, but but I'm saying the principality of it from knowing how our system works, from probation to all of this. And I know you all would say, well, he should have known better because he was a cop. He shouldn't even know. But this man is going to jail for giving false information to some FBI agents who claimed to have dementia when he was talking to the FBI agents. Well, I don't believe any of that's true,

but that's his claim, that's his defense. Well, this is what made the fens so upset when they would go try to visit the quote unquote snitch. I think his name is Anthony Brown. They're literally telling federal agents, Oh, he's not here, Oh we can't find them. Oh he's in transport right now. Oh he's in court. I mean, everything was a lie. They were deliberately preventing the do that. Well, it has to come down from Paul to Knaka and Liebaka.

In fact, there was one woman that was told the jail for This is why it became a big thing and it piste off the US attorney and the judges and all of that was because the two sergeants that worked for Paul Tanaka went to the FBI agent's house and threatened to arrest her for sneaking a phone into their jail facility, which you can't do that what without a court, without a warrant. She was wrong. They should they should have called her superiors and said, hey, we

need to talk. That's all meat. What's the crime for the federal agent that's investigating potential crimes that the l as sheriff deputies are committing of giving a phone to an inmate that was called warrants. That's what you get want you get that approved by But then why did all these people end up going to jail? Then that should these cases should be dismissed. Then yeah, well that's that's the argument, that's the most of the defense one.

None of this, zero of the sheriff deputy's cases were dismissed. They all were found guilty. Some got lesser sentences for cooperating. Um. Correct, But I'm surprised that many of them have got more time than Leebaka and pault Naka did. Even though they're doing what the houses and made threats and and there's some other things, they were mainly the ones doing it, and like you said, up falling there there are trying to impress their superior because I'm the one that don't

believe the superiors tell you everything. You know what to do? Are you do this? You do this? They just say get it done, and they elected to do those things to get it done that way. Well, the last thing I want to say on this, there was a clerk that was working with the sheriff and a deputy told her to change the location of where Mr Brown is out on the computer exactly. And she said Uh, no, I'm not gonna do that, and he said, no, you

have to do it. He said, from why she said, give me a letter and then I'll do it, And he didn't have a letter, so she never did it. And I wish I knew her name. I want to commend her because she had some integrity and she would not be intimidated by a deputy telling her to change something in the computer, where most of the time I think that all these people in the fall in line with whatever cops tell you to do. And that's my point. Well, no,

that ain't true. That isn't true, And that's my point where you have some that are dirty or wrong, but not the whole system. But the way she told the story was the deputy was trying to intimidate her, and of course she said, well, give me the letter from from Liebaka or Paul to Knaka that says to do this,

and I'll do it. But unless you show me, uh some documentation, I'm not doing And if lee Baka was involved in it the way we wanted to be portrayed, he would have just said hold on and got Liebako on the phone and called Liebak and say hey, liebaka tell this just what I just told her to do. But the lieve I could do that, I wouldn't put my name on the paperwork. All right, let's move on to Uh. Nobody ever thought it would have blew up like it did. We talked a little bit about this

inn episode three. Nipsey Hustle's UH friend that was with him when he got shot, Carrie Laton. He survived the shooting. Unfortunately Nipsey Hustle did not. UM They violated his parole for being with Nipsey Hustle and last week he was

in custody, but for whatever reason he's free. Now, Yeah, that's something, in my opinion, has to be changed, that law because that's what you know, our people that live in different parts of the city, they don't understand that most of the people that we grew up with or live with um our felons are are been in the situation.

And that's something that's got to change. Where I understand when they state they're trying to employ the law or have the law where it's like when you go out there hanging and kicking it at the part and pouring out drinking eight balls and forties and all the out together that they don't want you congregating or hanging out together, and then you possibly can get violated for parole for that. But Nipsey was supposedly a he was not supposedly he was.

He was a well what you're calling somebody positive, you know, helping out, looking out for the man. So he he shouldn't have been considered because he was a game, a documented game member, and that's why the system didn't do the right thing and let him out. But y'all missing the underlying, um what's going on? I know what in my mind from my experience and law enforcement why they

put the man in jail. The man is in jail because he wasn't cooperating and I'm not saying he should or shifting, but because he wasn't given the statements that he needed to uh to put the guys shitty or whatever is culture. Plenty of evidence of who the shooter was. But want your case even better when you got somebody standing right there, Because a video video tape alone is not enough to uh um to um to prosecute someone

just because you still have somebody on videotape. You need other people you need, and nothing better than an eyewitness that was there that can tell the story. But I understand this is a man that just did twenty five years in jail or not in jail, in prison, and so I understand what he's reluctant to to talk, which most people don't understand. I understand, I completely understand. I

understand most people don't. You know, most people listening, you know, are our people are white folks, like what, what's what's going on? Why? What is the issue? That's your friend that got killed? Or yeah? I think that not one of the is an American thing. It goes back to the um when our mothers told us stop tattle telling. We grow up in the United States with the notion of tattle telling. It is not good. But do everyone

have that Chico whether And that's across all racials. I don't think background and my neighbors will call the fucking police on me, and they hear me and my wife are you and they're gonna be calling the police? Obviously? Would you shout out, woman, you don't know? People gonna call the police. Most police officers are what race in America and most of them, yeah, but most police officers would never tell on another police officer when they see

them doing wrong. That's not true, You're crazy. Most officers will never tell another cop over, James, come online is over. Don't get me And we had this discussion last over and come on, man, I don't know where where don HPD cops al Rodney King. I would say the blue line has changed, but cops that that that husband and that wife get on that standard in testify. Yeah, I remember, alright, and that was but we still have the same belief within the culture of the police that once you tell

on another officer, you're considered no good. Now, maybe that's not across the board. I'm not saying, be officers. I don't think those days are over. You have clicks, You have clicks that you know four or five, but to get a whole department behind you, those days are over. I see administrator in chief and copts and stuff. They'll be trying to get you, like, okay, he did, what bring me somep with this? That go ahead, James, I don't know, man, I think uh, Red just is just

watering this down on there too much. Just kind of listen to me. Don't be mad. If you listen to me, I'm gonna tell you man, there's not a police out there that I not too many that I know of what I actually don't know nothing, but yo pops, good cops. It ain't too many cops like yo pops. I have not seen them. I mean I look on my phone and I see that what they're doing over there, but not in not in Compton, not in the l A. They were you all over They are already thinking he

might got a gun. I gotta do this, I gotta do that. They got their guns in their hands, are already rich. You paint the picture as if man, some of these like like the majority of these cops is like really like good cops, all of them, not all

of them are not. I mean, it's it's well. The reason why I brought up about the cops is because they should understand that a guy like Carrie Lathan, who just did twenty five years in prison, it's not gonna feel comfortable talking about who just shot him, right, But see the police when they when they do, but they don't care because they're trying to make that case. They're trying to get that conviction, make that case, get that case. What two Fox situation, if SI Knight would have said,

are are are are? Could Affi or um Eady would have said they saw baby Lane in that car in Vegas, which they they did, and would have told that that case would have been all or reasolved, But they didn't, so it didn't. But so I'm gonna try to push you. And that's why I follow around and try to get a case on you and try to and so to make you cooperate. And they go ahead and give them what they want. That's so you know, it's a cat and dog and cat's situation that's going on with that.

But they're trying to do their job. That's all they're trying to do is but they understand if you got nipsy, Hey, this guy just got killed. This thing to do. They didn't have a video tape and he got off of that. Everybody knew who he did it, and that man knew who did it, and and and and those two guys did that. How would we be feeling about them then if it wasn't on tape and camera. That young lady, she's about to go to jail. The driver. The driver,

she's going to jail, trust me. The only reason she's not in jail yet it is because you don't pretty much tell me I'm enough to help put him in that car. But let her stop take changing her tune. Let her change her tune. She will be going to jail. I think she's going to jail. Well, they already have enough evidence to prosecute this case obviously without carry Layton's assistant. And I don't think he should have ever been arrested. He should have never been violated. Plus I think they

need to change the conditions of parole. Yeah, you know what, they got enough to get her to get him just because of her putting him there at the at the store allegedly of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, what we believe that that she she's helping that. But she ain't told it all. She haven't told it all. She haven't told how she jumped out of from the passenger seat to the driver's seat. And it's how they want to kick it and laid up in the hotel and all of

that and why you didn't try to anyway. And there's a lot of witnesses that actually we're doing interviews about they were there and they witnessed the whole thing and and what actually happened. I mean, there's all kind of stories going on. Everybody gonna that only only the three I think are the credible witness. But I thought the kind of hypocritical thing here was that Nipsey Hustle was supposed to be meeting with the l a p D

the following day to talk about gang intervention. But then they're gonna violate carry for being in association with quote Hustle. Yeah that how hypocritical is that? But they led him out the system there, right, Yeah, but they got them. He was in a wheelchair, He's got a bullet in his back. He's sitting in the county jail. Who wants

have been the county jail four weeks after? But he's already fifty six years old down And I don't I think it's if it wasn't for social media, public outcry, the Internet, the gangster chronicles, who knows he might be still sitting in there, right and Jill Court, Yeah, until the next court day. Because I actually know a couple of people that were violated. They violated their parole and they were a victim of a shooting. Yeah, he could

actually get ninety days. They could have actually gave him the parole board could have gave him ninety days, but I think they should change that because unless you're commit with two game bangers, you associated like that, then they should okay, you're doing you commend to crime with another game member, and if she hustle, wouldn't parole system didn't care about the fact that they were two game members, being they I know the reason to talk to him,

That's what I'm saying. Let me finish, That's all I'm saying. So they got to work it out a different type of way. The way they're doing it because they know that man just got out of jail and just they didn't give a fuck if he just got out, but then to take him and put him back. What kind of police officers these? It just that's not bad police work. That's nuts. I mean, technically everything they did was legal, but there's something to say about I got your phone number.

I'm gonna contract you if you tell me the ship. If I ain't talking to you, I ain't been a witness. What else you gonna do. I need you as a witness to make this case. I need you so buy him telling them off. I'm man, I just got out there. Now they're gonna say you, I can take you to jail. I need you to make this case. You got to see what they do. Their job is to make that case. That's their job. That's what we wanted to do to

make that case. And so whatever I need to do to make that case within the loans, I'm going to do. And by putting pressure on Mr Lathan to cooperate and to talk puts him in a very dangerous situation where the police don't even care about that right there. And how many witnesses or potential witnesses have been shot and killed because the police didn't protect them over the years. Yeah, you know, thousands, James says, thousands. I was gonna say hundreds,

But I mean that's a bad situation. And that's you know, the witness protection plan protection programs is not the greatest and and all of that, and they try to put out rewards and all of that, which you have something sentence for people to do things. Um and judges don't care. I was working on a case once where this woman was a witness and they brought her to the court that she was understand they asked you the questions, she says. I cannot answer these questions because it's not safe for

my life. Judge said, you have to answer these questions or I'm gonna hold you in contempt. She said, look, I'm a mother, I have two kids. I cannot answer these questions. The judge says, I don't care if you don't answer these questions. You're going to the county jail for six months. And I sat there and I said, I cannot believe that the state is forcing her to speak. You're not a suspect, h I get your point. Yeah,

she wasn't a suspect. She can't just can't. You can't to plead the fifth She actually tried to do that and they said, ma'am, you're not. So she had to sit in the county jail until the case was over with. Now, some of these cases are short. You know, the trial might be two months. But if this is one of those long cases, you're sitting in jail until the cases over for contempt. It was at the time of testifying the it was already going on. So that's why it

wasn't as long as um. Yeah, it's a but their job is too. But as a cop, former police officer, do you feel any sympathy for these people that she should have never talked at the beginning, and that's what people know because you don't gave me, you don't tease me. You know, told me this happened. This happened, This happened. But I ain't coming to court. Yes you are, so the lesson is, don't never make any statement that no. If you don't want to get dragged through court. If

you're suspect, shut up, be quiet. But as a witness, you gotta weigh it out. But some witness it out. If somebody coming here right now and the shot you yeah, just starts you you hey, street call. I can't talk. My sons will take care of that when they grow up.

You've been watching. I'm just kidding, but I wouldn't want I wouldn't want James to tell the police who just killed me if it's gonna if it's gonna risk his life, because I believe whoever just killed me, he's gonna get his Anyways, I was in the same situation with my brother and and the police coming over there and telling us, come on, man, we need to talk to you know what you want to talk to me? Yeah, we all know,

but you wasn't an eyewitness. See, there's a difference between the eye witness and an informant, and what you would have been was was called informant because you're doing second hand information where you have to treat on eyewitness different than you what you perform it. Yeah, I truly wouldn't want anyone to make a statement if it's if it's a risk to their livelihood because you just did, I'm

just dead. And if there's a camera, if there's someone else that wants to come forward, they'll build their case if there's some evidence, And like I said, you have to weigh that out. There's some some situations where I turned up, especially my son or something like that. But somebody I know I'm connected with all of that. I'm sorry, I'm gonna snitch whatever. Yeah, this is what happened. Deal with it. Well, my dad would never forgive me if I did that. Rest in piece of my dad, Vincent Alan.

So that's that's um stand And you know what it's it's kind of the way we grow We grew up. You grew up with a cop as a father, and I grew up with a dad who was from the streets. And James grew up in certain way as well. I grew up without one of those. So I know, um, and I'm not tell on every situation like I said, it's some situation or I'll be like, okay, it's best, just let's get out here. But there's some situations where you know you either got to do something about it

yourself or are are you gotta be a witness? Well, any any last remarks regarding carry Laid Them Nipsey Hustle before we wrap up this episode. No, I'm good. No,

still resting Peach Nipsey. The more I've been hearing about the brother and and and reading and listening to him talk, I understand why why people was putting mom up there with my boy to pop. You know, I actually watched a couple more of old Nipsey Hustle interviews, and I gotta say, the dude was really short when he was twenty two four, and he actually accomplished and did everything

he said within ten years. You know you had to go, Even though I did watch another interview where he was complimenting and telling where he got most of this stuff from from Tupac, which you know, well, I think there's no way you could be in hip hop and not influenced by Tupac. In some way, shape or form. You know, that dude pretty much laid the blueprint and the foundation, you know, And I mean we're still listening to those

music twentysothing twenty five years later. There's nothing wrong with it. Look what, Look what? Look what came out of it? Positive ship. So if I could look at Tupac and I see something in Tupac that I want to do, and this is how I'm gonna grow, get your blueprint, roll with it, and look what he did. I think Tupac's music came last longer than Nipsey Hustles music. But Nipsey was a sharp brother, you know, in his early twenties. Um,

I give him that. You know, I was just throwing a jab at you because you told me Nipsey had accomplished more at the age of Tupac there and not still this screw with you on that. I don't think he accomplished more. I actually think Pock for just having you know, his professional career was only like four and a half years. He debuted in ninety one and he's dead in ninety six. That's a very short career. Who was accomplished more in that little short period of time

in hip hop. I don't think anybody has. You know, we're talking about Nipsey Hustle. He'd been doing it for twelve thirteen years, you know, with his mix tapes came out in like oh five, oh six, oh seven, and he passed at thirty three. As you you made that distinction. Pop died at twenty five. Nipsey died at thirty three. But nip was sharp, no doubt about it. Even even in the interview when he was twenty two. Yeah, you know,

he was speaking good knowledge and all of that. And what if he was didn't grow up in the role in the sixties cript neighborhood. I always think like, if certain people didn't grow up in a certain area, what could have they been? What could have they have accomplished? That could have went both ways. If he didn't grow up in in his neighborhood, he would probably wouldn't have

known the grind. I think the grind come from, is uh the African part, Huntle, I really do, because how many the friends of niggas that you grew up with was out there selling insects? Yeah, or or T shirts. Alright, fellas, I'm gonna wrap it up for another episode of the Gangster Chronicles. Thanks for listening, Um Alex Alonso, Reggie Wright Jr. And James McDonald's signing out. This has been a digital Soapbuch Network production.