TGC Presents"The Foundation" w Ray Benzino & Jo Jo Capone

via the Digital Soapbox Network. And we got my boy show Joe Capon house Load, I'm here, I'm here, and Mr Ray Bazino We're ready right and through Chicago, Zino chan toos down in Atlanta, y'all in the West. Yeah, man, Hey, let me ask you all this fellers. Man, with all this stuffing that's going on right now, Man, what's this infatire like in Chicago right now? I mean, everybody minds is all over the place, and uh, you know, based fighting for humanity, man, you know what I'm saying, Uh,

you know, humanity and equality for the most part. How I look at it is, I'm gonna be honest, between the looting and the stimulus checks and the unemployment checks, niggas is winning right now. Man, Listen, I know, I know, and this. You know, I love Obama. You know what I'm saying. I love Obama. I love how we calm combination down, you know. But you know, niggas wasn't eating like this, man. And it's crazy because you know, God

do things for reasons. But I think, man, God has shining on street niggas right now for real, honestly, Oh for sure, I understand agreed man, like um, like you know, like James, you brought you attest to that man because you know, James is one of the most few individuals online, man, and he's at opportunity simmers way. Man, It's just like you're right. I think God he's really shining man on the street chances pure heart, He shine on the ros.

He shined them hard, got good intentions, you know what I mean, right right, right hey? But is that free money? I mean, that's this money. They gotta come back some kind of way. They're gonna want that money back, like on the rent and all that ship. They want their money back. So I mean, it ain't like they're giving us nothing, you know what I'm saying. You know, to me,

they owed us. The only thing about that is, like, you know, niggas don't mind grabbing that flipped a couple of times before we give it back, you know, because honestly, with you know, with with when it comes to black people, and especially and especially guys out in the street when they when they suck up when they when they sucked up black people. Since we the low man on the top pole and not the whole economy out how to whack. Once they give us money, they know we're gonna put

it back in the economy regardless. And there's a lot of money that's gonna come back into the communy. Makers. You got cants out there, man, and say, well, pay their bills and whatnot right now while they are unemployed. Man. You know the thing else me and Jame has been on this ship lately, man, I know one thing that we do need to have happened. Man, is we gotta shoping knocking each other down? Oh yeah, for sure, that's without a doubt, you know, because because all the peace

suck and all the rallies and stuff is cool. Man, we're on the police say, man, but it's like, man, you know, homicide that is happening. This is another brother doing another brother, you know, right that genocide. Well, you gotta look at it the way some of us been taught, the way some of us think. Man, we believe that this is the right way to do what we're doing. You know how myself believed in and that was that

was what we were supposed to do. That was protecting the hood, That was protecting your friends and your family. But I think the ship that got away from us, you know, with all the bad ships going on, and I know that everybody see what the trunk doing. We still at each other head. Everybody see what the police is doing to us. These cats out of here knocking each other down during the during the COVID nineteen. You're supposed to be in the house, but they out there

knocking motherfucker's out. So so we gotta figure out a way how to stop that part. Everybody got to see what the fund is going on, not just see it, but understand what the fund is happening. And if we don't do that, I don't care how many times you march, I don't care how many times you protest. It ain't nothing gonna change. It can't change. Yeah, you know, going back to red, you know, like we're notorious from us

supporting each other like at one time man. You was the co owner man of the Bible of Hip Hoo, the Source magazine. Yeah, yeah, I know. It's always a mind from a further way you have because almost in the height on the East Coast and so called the fake East Coast West Coast beef right, you had differro ricords, um source awards right. How you know when that came

about me, did that cause you in friction? You know, you know, to be honest with you, I really thought, you know, we was in New York and when I've seen how many how many guys from l A we were there together, I knew something was going down. I thinkured it was going down. Um, it was real tense. Uh. You know, I think one of the major factors is

that we had mation of Islam. There is security, and you know, I think I think there's a certain amount of respect from both sides that was given to the security, even if it wasn't crust, say the social wards as much as it was knowing that the nation of Islam with it, and just the fact of how they hand

through theirselves, you know, as security. You know, I mean it's black men, you know, uh, watching off black men, and I think that made a difference, but with within saying that when She'll got up there and said what he said about you know puff, I figured, I said, yeah, it's going down. If it wasn't for Snoop to go up there and said when he said to kind of diffuse the situation, it might have went back. You know, we just we just thank god it didn't get out

of control, because it really could have. Um. You know, back then, though it was, it seemed like it seemed like that you still had a certain amount of leadership, You still had a certain amount of like young niggas that would look up to O Jez and listen to their direction. I think right now that's almost gone, like,

you know, almost wiped out. You know, I think this this generation, I think they just really you know, I think they respect o Gee from the sense of okay, they didn't extreme as far as listening and as bar is taking direction, know what cheems you kind of agree with what he said, Oh yeah, for sure. The show. I mean, you know, the youngsters up today have no clue what the fund is really going on, fathers, what they're doing I mean, and I mean gangbanging, uh following

another homie and all of that other ship. They have lost track and they don't understand. Nobody's there to guide these little cats, to tell these cats how to get down the wedding should get down, or whatever the case might be. So yeah, yeah, I agree with that, told you and but you gotta find a way to get it back. You gotta find a way to get guys back in the picture where these little cats can't understand. You know, man, my cause was lost. You know, gang

banging and knocking each other down. You know it's not worth it. So you gotta get them. You gotta get him on that track. You gotta find some kind of way to reach out to these little youngsters because they don't give a funk today. We don't care. That's real. Show you and your here man like a respect men for the O G S Man from the young kiss in your neighborhood. Yeah, that's all over there, that's everywhere, you know, because a lot of them, you know, they

started they started ones under the an any influence. So if you're under any influence, they're definitely not going show no respect there. But if you're on top of your a game, you know, and you're letting them know, hey, man, come do what I'm doing or over here, then you will get more You'll get more receptives from them, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, man, yeah, you know going back many know it's at that time because you always kept the real neutral. Did you get me badmash from

them cats from the East Coast men? When you had the different come on there? You know, when when a lot of like especially with the source, you know, it was like that really was you know, it was before the internet, so really a lot of you know, if if it wasn't for the Source, I don't think East Coast would know too much about West Coast anyways, you

know what I'm saying. Unless you was going out there for whatever type of reason, you know, you really didn't if you wasn't listening to that music, you really didn't understand that, you know. And I remember, so you know, the magazine was responsible for definitely bring a lot of the artists from the West Coast in the picture, which really was the street representatives. Hip hop made us from different parts of the country because when you look at it,

we all the same thing. The differences you know, of course, our slang, the differences um um, you know, as far as the way our environment is how our blocks are because that plays a big part of when you have beef. So my thing is, like, you know, if you didn't know about the West Coast, you did pick the magazine up and it kind of gave you a little bit of it. When you started watching the Sauce Awards, it

started giving you more of it. Expecting the source to be neutral even though it was based out of New York, you know, the West Coast was getting. I mean, come on, Drey Snoop, it was getting. There was a time where it was major in the West Coast. So that's where hip hop was it since hip hop was the culture, that's where the culture was. So I mean things happen

for reasons. When you got death Row and bad Boy going at each other like that, that was a moment in time where it was inevitable because again both coats really didn't know about each other. So now you got niggas from each coast, powerful they got money. Niggas is

deep right there. That was a crazy time though, man, same was you out there want to do these You were in New York with them when they did No no, no, I didn't not I didn't do that, But I mean it was crazy because you know, it introduced the neighborhood to the music world, and now the hood is out there, and now the hood is looking, you know, people looking at our neighborhood like, wow, they got money. And you know, that took a lot of cats from the neighborhood to

New York, to to North Carolina. So now people were saying what type of niggas California was on the west what the West coast was. So it was crazy because you know, you have Puffy them coming to Compton and you had niggas getting in their cars because they knew what street they was on just to get a glimpse, and and was on some bs because Buffy was hanging with the different with the other side. So it brung a lot of animalsity, it brung a lot of It brung a lot of bullshit to to to both sides,

to both sides. I'm quite sure it affected everybody you know that was involved in it. So he right, But didn't not good come out of it? Yeah, I'm back. I think it dropped them back. It was I'm good man. Yeah, James is just reiterated before man. Yeah, yeah, And that's amazing. Thing man about this music though, man, and that like like you just said, exchange. It took the cats on to come to the places like New York, North Carolina

and all these other places. Now, Ray you really, man, I'm messing with you man, because you always been on the Chi ship. You know what I mean. That's all I know, That's all I know. Yeah, y'all was the first, like out of your neighborhood of Boston, y'all had the first gangster rep group all money are and so we got we got, you know, Easy to Eat. We got a meeting with Easy to Eat. This is when he was going through the ship with Shell and and and the meeting was through uh a, my FIA lawyer, through

my father. He was a mob lawyer represent the company of Italian guys who was representing Easy at Cheery Hello. We set a meeting up and then Easy had um. He met with a Saucy met with a just Hotel and I never and I never and never forget it said that his wife was signing boone Dougs and that and that he was gonna sign us. And then the next week he went and see the side I and then then and then two weeks later he passed away. Man, we never you know, our Dale never got on it.

Yeah that's crazy man, because I knew right yeah yeah yeah, and the man. But listen, listen, but we'll talk. Okay. See, I know Chicago Ben bent down to gang ship from day one. Day one. Boston was different. So Boston had blocks and everything. But when Colors came out, it showed when niggas seen how crips and bloods got down on in that movie. That's when everybody started grabbing them, like naming their blocks. Now it was and and wailing the

same type of like um started jacket. So you'd have to blew up to Every project had a different New York Giants, the Pittsfug Pirates to the Portland Trailblazers. So it was after the movie Colors. That movie that's so the West Coast had so much it turned it upside down everywhere. You know what, I think Colors, So I think Colors in the whole country. Man, it had the whole country off the hood that ship. Yet But to me it was but I'm I'm I'm from here, and

I didn't see that. I didn't see that Colors. I mean, it was just so watered down. Um uh, straight out of comfort and so watered down boys and the louis so watered down that I mean, I don't know. I guess they wasn't like they didn't really show or depict what real gang banging was about. And you know, for people not to know that might be some wild ship to them, but I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get that effect. To man, none of the those movies Mann.

We tell you something. When that She came out, niggas want that l A. The l A influence from the gang banging was so hard that that was like the first movie that showed that before you know who hip hop movies were like from New York breaking wild style and ship. But when Colors came out, it was the first element of banging. And then when niggas was like show, okay, this this this gang wearing red, is that gang wearing blue. Niggas got choppers out in Boston. Niggas was only really

fucking with pump shotguns thirty eight twenty two longs. It wasn't too many you know, eight ks in Boston back then. You know what I'm saying. So, you know, I mean l A was reversed rates like when it came to that. And see for us, so us you know what I'm saying. The elements are gang banging with Shan through our eyes with the Black Stars and the g d's through um

through um good times. You know what I'm saying. Man, So good good times are shown, you know, and any green And that was before Colors and all that came out, so like so they they gotta understand it. But it was more so like remember how they was trying to make J J joined the gang they were making Yeah, like when mad Dal came through and then before that we had we had what wounds cheeks nimp? What was the name of that movie? Coolie? Coolie? So Coolie? How

was yeah? So Coolie? How was the was the birth? Was the was the birth of showing gangs in a movie? You know what I'm saying? And the movie ram on TV like Coolie Hid and Good Times that was. But but Colors put it more in depth strictly on the games, see Coolie, I they showed you know what I'm saying, Vice lords, you know what I'm saying. So the vice lords was introduced and uh what he holler? Folks? Lords? You know when they say when they stood up deciphos,

you know what I'm saying. So so you know, so it's you know, so it it. But people that was still the seventies. You know what I'm saying, That was still what the early seventies later like yeah, so, so people wasn't even damn they're boring, you know what I'm saying. So because you gotta think Larry who Larry who had been in jaiff? Oh your life now, James you fifty

four ship who have been in jail y'all. You see what I'm saying, right, So you know that, Yeah, so him and Jeff Fortingham, we gotta start thinking our gang leaders these dudes is damn they're eighty years old, you know what I'm saying. You know so so so it's like, we don't get upset when nobody is saying like you know, uh, the West Coast in Florence gang banging, We don't get upset.

We just correct them, you know what I'm saying. Because of course, for us, we know that it was just black panthers for the most part on the West before you know, two Key was stealing the g DS and the vice lords and the black Peace Stones and the Latin Kings will throttle ship. And they was already you know, that ship was already going on. But you know a person like did you here keeping on hunt it because

it's daddy from here, you know. So he grew up here, back and forth throughout the summers, you know, like James, you know what I'm saying, or you're a freeway back and forth, you know, saying just say to Houston. So y'all could growing up with the family members throughout Texas. You know, you were spread. So everybody got the traveling. But then what started happening to once the coke, once the cocaine he did, that's when a lot of people

start basically marinating all over the world. You know, they started traveling everywhere. And you know, now from that point, you know, you just got this hip hop surgeons. So the game Banging Gat. Yeah, so the gang the game Banging Gat more popularized throughout the drug culture because the because the hilball artists wanted to be the dope boys. Hey but Joe, Joe, let me make a point. Look at this. You know, look, look so so when you talk Cooley High, you're right, that show and and and

Believe me, I knew that. So look at Cooley Hid. The soundtrack to that movie was all the Jackson five in Bowtown. Them songs wasn't like Colors was all gangster ship rapping about killing teeth, Baseline team. It was like it was the soundtrack that demonized it more, that made it more dangerous and sexy to wear. You know, the Chicago gangs from me on outside looking in, it was a way of life. So when you looking at Cooey High, you showing these kids going to school, playing basketball, but

Nigga's still can't go in certain places. You know what I'm saying to where is that now? When Colors come out? Nigga's the whole movie is about a k. Nigga's up the whole movie. You know what I'm saying, Kill kill, kill kill. It wasn't going to school, it wasn't seeing homeboy living with his mother like it just was really just like you said, focusing there strictly on the gangs

and not person himself. So that's why Chicago probably didn't get like the rap that l A got from it, because I think hip hop hip hop brought that out of l A. Because I'm from Cleveland regionally. I haven't come to California to eight seven eighty eight, So I remember though around the time the colors here. That's when you had cats. Guess when you had blood because I know some bloodhoods and King of to Cleveland that was

in Cleveland dating Cincinnati selling due. So that was my first time here about where the blood was or what the crypt was. Because it was casting from the west coast of the day, they had the best prices and they had to say you know what I mean, Yeah, that's what happened. When the gangs came to the drugs in the game came to it was hand in hand, you know what I'm saying. It was hand in hand. It was like, Okay, you walked in the drugs, you're gonna be a part of the game too, you see

what I'm saying. See, that's how I caught on. You're right, ray Jo Joker. What happens changed a lot of these hoods that's in Kansas City, Kansas City, Massias especially um some parts of Columbus, Cincinnati. A lot of them got hoods up there. Like you might need to do from Cincinnati to tell y'all mover. He never seen who for a day in his life. But it was a dude that came down. It was mover, bricks and cocaine, and that's what he said. He said, man of Mover. So

y'all moved to night. Well the way it went and and you know, I was one of those cats that was leaving competent going to Uhura out in Denver, going to Las Vegas. Uh you know, Southern Larson doing that ship like that. And what happened was was cats that that was buying from us. And then you know they started to kick it with you. Now they want to be like you all your ful comforting, who man, I get down and we would just let motherfucker's joined the hood.

And then they started a game within the gang. Already I ain't been to Denver and in thirty years, but they still got the hood out there. And that's how they do it, you know what I'm saying. Some of the cats that was coming from out of town, like my little homeboy, hand Dog. Hand Dog is from Chicago. He got the two moons on his on his back the whole night. But the way that we was getting down, he was already with it as a as a youngster and he pipped right in, so you know, he understood,

you know, the transition. So it was pretty much the same thing. But to keep it one hundred, hand Dog was a little elevated for his age. He was more more knowledgeable about what to get down and and that ship that he brought into the neighborhood was so different because you know the cats, my little brother age was hand dog age, and they was like, damn, let's get down, is like, and they and they followed it, you know

what I'm saying. He was with it. So when when when two different world's hook up like that, man, it just it just changed the whole thing. And a lot of guys out there right now the day then started families out of town, you know, just from roaring out there with with a bird and it never came home, you know what I'm saying. So it it took in the gave from both sides. Now understanding what it's like to be in Chicago, I can't say I understand that

I got family in Chicago. Um, I got family in Houston, Texas. Going to Texas and and trip it off, how they game bang? To me, Texas is like three days behind on on every motherfucking thing you do and how you get down out there. I really didn't understand they they movement, and there was more on the pussy tip for me be because when bitches here you can California, they want to try to California, Nigga. You know what I'm saying, and it's it's it's exactly how you're saying it, but

it brings more to it. Colors. Colors didn't show me, and that's because I'm from here, right and I know what it was like. But Colors didn't show me that this is some real gang banging ship. This is to me, it's water down. It was watered down, and but being from somewhere else, it just shows you, damn that's how they get down out there. Like niggas out here they can say all them niggas is wheenies. Them niggas is wheny in Texas, man, it's killers everywhere. It's it's cats

out there. That's that's more about it than than we are, you know what I'm saying. So let's just say we took death Row and I was going to New York with shil and eight and it was so different to me because I'm trying to identified cats through color. I didn't see no red and blue bandannas, I didn't see something like that. They was on some totally different ship, So I couldn't identify that ship and and I just didn't know who the funk with, So I just kept

one hunted and stayed to myself. So if if I had kept going to New York, I probably would have been working with him and then understanding that we don't understand each other's culture, so automatically we're gonna clash. I don't know you, so I gotta come ready already. I gotta be prepared for certain things. If you're not, you're not coming home. You know what I'm saying. You're getting involved like this little young cat. You know, you bring people into your world. And and listen, people got a

different agenda around this motherfucker. These young cats got a different agenda. These young cats is thinking about nothing but self. It's totally different how it was in the mad seventies early eighties. It's totally different. Being a gang member is being all about self. Now it's all about who got the money, how we gonna make the money, and how I'm gonna get the money out of you. Supposed to being on the same grind. It ain't like that no more should I'm asking y'all, how do we get it?

How you get back at least some of that, at least some of that, some of the respect, because you ain't got no loyalty, You ain't got no respect. You know, you don't have nothing on the streets. And that's a that's a bad uh formula right there. You don't you don't have nothing. So who do you treat? We know how we get jealousy and envy. That's part of the

seven Deadly sins, you know what I'm saying. So it's like the person with the bank the person with the bank roll basically determines the atmosphere or what's going on in the neighborhood. But if it's a guy that's in the neighborhood and he getting the bank roll from doing credit card scams, then you know, the the guy that

was a robber, he's not gonna respect that dude. But the dude that's staying fresh and got the cars and the jury and he doing credit card scams, he gonna be more looked at from the neighborhood because he got the money. He got everything that the robber don't have. So it's like once wants the credit card guy come up, once the scammer. I just say so, once the scammer come to the neighborhood with with with open arms and

thinking he got open arms. But in reality, the robbers, all the jack boys is sitting back laying on him. You know what I'm saying. All the jackboys is waiting to rob the scammel, you know what I'm saying, and they start alien nating him. So you know, for the most part, it's kind of like it's a gift and

the courage. Bro, it's kind of hard, you know, like for us, um, so you know, so so you know, so the transitioning was different, like you say, for most James, like uh l a were hit um when they started coming towards me. Like for us, the g d S was in thirty five states, that's documented, right and um, you know far as the case was going, we had

thirty five states, so uh and in high power. You know, we had guys, but they took us from a street gang to an organized crime so they automatically threw us in the same boat is the Italian mafia. So that's what changed everything for us in the Gate and we basically envy the um the wild wild west of the We can do whatever whenever that l A had, you see what I'm saying, because we all organized, but everybody in l A and you know my Peru might didn't

get along with with the Swans. You see what I'm saying, stuff like that and that and that didn't happen. That couldn't happen for us. So it's like when t Rogers was sent out there to bring the Black Peace Stones. You see, he went straight got in the jungles and had so anybody from the Shy when we came out there, they linked up with t Rogers in the jungle and they still felt as if they was on You see what I'm saying, um and for the and you know,

so for the and and other than that. You know, if Big Youth, some of his cousins and them from the hundreds or the suburbs came out there, they're being the sixties, you see what I'm saying. And far As Compton like with me, I'm being Compton, but I'd be on the south side. You know, even the speed it up to date, I was on the block when Um, when Serena and Venus and their sister got killed, I was standing out there, you know what I'm saying. Her boyfriend hit the block. We thought it was a drive

back going on. So the the the shots went to the costs, so it was it was an accident, you see what I'm saying. So it was like, um, you know, so I always had you know, been in and you know throughout Inglewoods, South cent You, Compton, Um, you know,

l A in general throughout my whole life. So for me, like I gotta tell a person, I'm born in Chicago, but I'm raised in New York, l A and Miami, So I grew up in all the major cities, you see what I'm saying, and then throughout like you say, once the drugs got introduced to us in the early eighties, that put us on the road. So yeah, we're gonna end up in Cleveland, throughout Ohio, in Boston because like Venzino can tell you, majority of Boston they direct descendants,

was coming from Detroit, you see what I'm saying. So it's it's like, so you got so you got the same influence from Midwest cities all over the world too. You see what I'm saying. Just like even right now today, majority of all our rappers that made it, they live in l A. You know what I'm saying. Everybody, you know what I'm saying, they live in l A. So it's it's so so it's always still been that same way, you know what I'm saying. So, and like you said,

that's how we're gonna have family. We're gonna be related. And that's what family unions was for. Even though some people don't have them as much, they don't have family reunions as much, but that's what that was the point and purpose of it. Because James just say, like if mama had five six kids, each one of y'all got five six kids, and that just keep trickling, trickling trickling, you know. And for a lot of us, our grandparents, like my grandmama, gut seventeen brothers and sisters. I don't

know all them people, man all for oh, for y'all. All, For y'all, all three of y'all can be blood related to me right now. And the only way I'm gonna know is constantly staying in touch with y'all. You see what I'm saying. I think it's my thing is But Joe, you said it look like you said, there ain't no more family reunions when you look at each of our generations, you know, me and James fifty four, I'll be fifty

five in July. When I grew up, regardless of how how chaos it was, you still fell loved in the family. You still felt family structure, You still kept in touch with odd talkers. They were there as time went by the good thing about living and being fifty five right now is because you can actually look at the seventies, eighties, nineties and two thousand's and really see the difference of of ship and and and You're right, there ain't no

more family reunions. Actually, the the the whole families have been fucking broke up and fucked up to where it's like ship ship my nigga, Joe shin me and you closer than and then and then the ship seven my family.

It's you know, you know, you know, you know, and that's and and that's sad, but that's the reality of it, you know, like you know, these crackers don't broke down the structure of us and and and I know we can't keep blaming them, you know, but we have to know that that's that's where it came from, you know

what I'm saying. But it's working. And part of this, like you know, they've given women everything to emasculate us and and and you know, like they're gonna give them section, they they're gonna give them child support, they're gonna give them everything to basically funk us up, you know, because the whole thing is to funk up the street. Nigga, we're like the species better know that after us, it's it's gonna be fucked up out here, you know what

I'm saying. There's just no ways around it. And that's why I don't think it's far gone. But I don't know we we might be a little bit far gone to turn it around, because I just don't see the younger generation and the older generation connected or to sit in a room long enough to agree that we're better unified. Meaning you know, you gotta respect these young niggas because they're ours. They have came from us, and and whatever's trending now with all the social media and computer ship,

they're a part of that. They're the champions of that. But we come from the motherfucking mud where it all started, where it all ends, in everything that they will go through. If they go through it, we will already know what it's gonna take. If they could just understand that alone, we would have a chance. But when you look at time, you don't see no leadership. Look at how our shopt was man. The minister is my god, I love Mr Faraka, but even the minister is. You don't hear the minister

as much. So it's like it's like, where is the leadership coming from? Where is the word coming from? So that these sort of it will click in these nigga's heads, because if it don't click in their heads, to the

generation snap to them, which is called generation OUTA. What I said, we we we've totally lost it because you know, I got kids and I got twenty you know, I got a twenty two year old daughters I gotta I got a seventy year selling I got three babies mothers, and you know I don't I didn't live with my kids. Of course I provided form. Of course I flew them to me. But it's different from having your kids growing

up in the household with you. And this is how we all raised our kids, and that's and that's dysfunctional within itself. But we do the best we can. The problem is, you know, as being the street nigga, we either we the weither. We the scum of the earth that these motherfucker's want to get rid of. And we're the real kings. We're the real ones out there that

then did all this ship. You know what I'm saying that way, and and niggas and starves and struggling and motherfucker's don't give a fun You you got a lot of brothers that came from the mud and and that's successful. Now you what what is gonna take is gonna take the older heads to get together. So I don't believe the older heads can't sit at the table because the more the older you get, the more mature you get.

I don't think it'll be a problem for the older guys, the older black men of our days, of our society, to say, come on, man, we need to get together. We need to put some ship together and reach these youngsters. If that's going from one neighborhood to the next to the next. We can't call ourselves kings. We can't call ourselves the alpha. If if we ain't giving the fun. I truly believe fertons say I'm talking on deaf ears.

These these dudes ain't listening. I'm not gonna put myself out there and these cats ain't getting If they ain't getting it, let me focus on mind and what I'm doing it and and and all love this get like that. So now that we've seen this young brother get, you know, die in the streets, now it's time to say, okay, we had enough this. Its it's time to change, you know. And then and and and you don't have to be

a rich mothers sucking to get this. You don't have to be a mother sucking the suit to get it. Having these cats they say they don't understand, but come on, man, everybody even came from somewhere, all of us. We don't came from somewhere. Now we now we had a different

peak in our life. Now we gotta figure out how to really fucking reach these little cats through through through this podcast, ship, through through movies, through shows, through through whatever, through the music and and and stop the dumb ship. Look at the rappers up today. The rappers up today ain't telling me ship, I don't that I don't know already, So they gotta get off of that. Everybody gotta be

against because every rapper is not against it. So it's just it's up to us to change some of the ship that's going on out there. Man, I really believe that. Mm hmm. Yeah, And like I'm sorry you And like we said, with the generations, uh, we kind of banked on the Sorority Brothers to lead the youth, you know, so it wasn't like we was mixing the streets with the with the virgin minds, you know what I'm saying,

the virgin minds. We looked at the Sorority Brothers to cut them up and lead and give them the right way while we were stuck with uh, the game banging and the drugs that we would suffering from. You know. It kind of we kind of thought and then like you say, church and religious groups, we thought that could saved us to the younger generation. But like you say, every generation it's a it's a lost trade. Every generation it becomes a lost tray. So it's like for us,

all our kids is in the loop. They're in a loop of something. You know, Hopefully we can out of mine. Out of my nine I was able to give one college graduate so far, you know. So I'm happy. I'm packing myself on the back, I'm running, jumping, doing flips, you know what I'm saying, because I'm the same kid, you know, because I'm the same kid that was told it wasn't gonna make it to see eleven years old.

So I carried a chip on my shoulder all the way up until today because I proved everybody wrong, you know, So it made me feel I made it past eleven years old. I was gifted from that point. That's how I looked at it. And then when I hit twenty one years old. You know, once I hit twenty one years old, I really felt like I had to rabbit foot in my pocket. You know what I'm saying, living

the life that we was living. You know, because they we come out the wound with the X on our back, and we was all taught that you come out the wound with an X on your back when you got our skin, skin complexion. So like you say, the minister them knocking at ninety years old, that that man almost a decade. You know what I'm saying, He almost a century,

you know what I'm saying. So it's like just like when Obama got out of office, I would have felt like it should have been a thousand more brothers or sisters that could have been candidates, you see what I'm saying, And to come to find out it was none. We had the one doctor. We had the one doctor. Dude, he didn't you know whatever with that. He dropped out in the first week or so. Um, and that was it.

Like it's it's like it was like long as they gave us that one melonated brother number forty four, so out of or so out of forty three presidents, we it was it was forty three to one. So it's like a race. It's like a horse race or something dog race, forty three to one the odds. So now says then we couldn't even carry that for for ten years or twenty years or thirty years to have some melanete people in office is in the presidential office. So

it's it's back to the same tricks again. Yeah, man, Well what I think, Man, it's like, um, with the young everything nick y'all did everything that we did back in our back in our day's sexy to them, but they don't put through. They don't want to put the other part. Days want the one element and to see that's how you get a kid like right, everything about the game banging thing was sexy to him, and then he found out that it was real. He found out it was real. You saw what happened, You saw the

aftermath for that, and see for the thing. It was fa in our generation, in our day, I wouldn't never no game banging nothing. But in our day you didn't condone no form of cooperation. M you don't. So now you've got people embracing this dude, and that makes it harder. That almost makes us like we're crazy, exactly like we're crazy embracing what dude Takassi? Right nine just that six nine boy, Well you know what I listened. I look with a video of this young dude and and and

this is this is my whole thing. You know, this little cat he really think he was trying to He really think he's proving the point. His point is that, uh mc mills, he funk with this Floyd, this this CEO chick that funk with jay Z. And and because what she did, mc mills gotta be guilty of it too, snoop.

And and I tell everybody, you gotta pay attention, see you having these niggers used six too loosely and they don't even know what Then they're talking about Snoop smoke on something he shouldn't have staid, true enough, even if he said it, however he setting. But us being black, we take the word of the police before we take the word of of of our own people. So they got this paper saying Snoop said should killed Tupac number one. Should didn't get arrested for it. Even if Snoop being

with this shill didn't get arrested. Snooping never went on on motherfucking chair and sat down and said that's him. Where Snoop you can't call him, you can't call him a motherfucking right. It's totally different, little boy. You said here and you pointed out guys that got a hunting in seven years maybe altogether, and and it's totally different.

But people biting into this little dude ship as if he ain't did nothing wrong, you know what I'm saying, And he get any I mean, and people take this bullshit because two of them guys got life, got lights, knows you, But that shows you how fun this connected. We are with this social media thing and this new generation, meaning this new generation really feels like it ain't shipped

to snitch. And you know, I mean I had to learn that from my father when I was about eleven years old, and that ship was just the regular thing to me, Like it wasn't even a major thing to be like, Oh I don't funk with snitches. That just was a regular thing, like like and like eating, taking a ship whatever, that's just you don't funk with him. Nigga, niggah in a whole bunch of other ship. This nigga

is changing. This nigga right here is changing the whole He's changing the whole dynamic because this this new generation that we're talking about, and this Internet is so strong that he could control the narrative that they could put a lot of money into him and these blogs and these streams to push the narrative and see this new generation they wasn't raised in these streets, so they don't know any about no code or nothing so automatic, and they in their minds, he's a fucking hero because he

got a gang of money. He's not in jail, and and they're actually turning the tides of that how I grew up like I would never snitch or I wouldn't funk with no snitch. Tough this generation being like, you know what if it's it was the same my ass. I'm gonna snitch and it's all right. That's what's going on. As long as you got money is good. Uh, people gonna follow me because I got money. I mean that

don't make it right. I mean as at some point everybody that listened to the dude, You got people like ay, come fucking with him. You got people like what's your name? What's the chick name that he knew with? Yeah, NICKI mnah, she got issues in her home motherfucking family with her brothers. Show you're pretty much if you can, if you convict uh Mick Mills, you can. You gotta convict uh nick nas because your family aunts were sucked up ship. But

that ain't that ain't point. My My point is, at what point do you stop this cat from getting out there like that? And and and you got major names like A count them fucking with him. That that means you're supporting me. That means you're supporting his movement, you're supporting the bs that this little cat is putting out there.

You know what I'm saying, is he gonna be able to come to the to the bt wards and and everybody stand up and give him a standing over, and all these cats sit out, didn't shake his hand, like, what's up, my nigga, you're good. I don't see it. I don't see it. And something sunked up. Yeah, you know, he gotta just see what we're doing to each other. Man. He the prime example with throwing rocks and hat your hand.

You know what I'm saying, That's how I look. But you would understand he got some powerful people behind them too. You understand I'm saying he got some you know, he got some folks working with him. And again they're going hard on the computers. It's just about keeping it's about once. It's like again the new generation and a lot of our generation is on our phones and and and all these computers. If you control the narrative on that, then

you control the perception. And at the end of the day, that him and he got a lot of people behind him and a lot of money going hard with this social media campaign to get this message across. And I hate to say, these women Nikki has almost a hundred million fallers on on on Instagram, So automatically, do you understand like a hundred million motherfucker's we're talking about? You

know what I'm saying. So if you get of that saying, you know what, he's all right, that's twenty million people like the numbers of mind boggling, and we just all we gotta we we always gotta remember that. And you know, ship we could talk to me blew on our face about how wrong it is, but it's still doesn't like all we could do, like you said, it's do our podcast to bring the real niggas because it's a bunch left and there's a bunch of real chicks left who

agree with us. Once we can mobilize them in one space, then maybe something can happen from that. Because I see that there's a lot of different podcasts, a lot of different they really haven't done that yet. There's a demographic of people who think just like us, because there's a demographic of forty to fifty old people who don't grew up in the mud, who's out here, who's not jail, who's still out here, who grew up like that, So they haven't been mobilized. You just it's how you talking

to him and not talking at them. And I think we can reach out to a whole bunch of them, you know what I'm saying. And and like me, I'm not I don't talk and I'm not using no big gass words. I'm talking straight from the streets. So you so you can't understand me having these cats use these big words. These youngests don't under standing that ship. What the fun they're talking about? We gotta give it to them just how we live it. And and and that's where I'm coming from. So we have to, uh, we

really have to get on point man. And and I'm just gonna say whatever I can do, I'm gonna do it at at at one hunting. So there it is there. I mean, we just got to get better at where we at and and and getting these people to understand man, happy to shoot you see just because you're on TV or whatever, don't make you no different move you know what I'm saying. That's why I'm watched half that ship. I'm seeing them when you're going back to loving here

about man should fun loving? That's it for me. I've been on that's about Yeah, I've been down with that ship. Man, it ain't the same no more. I mean it's free money. I mean no, you're not in your hand your hand with one. It was good, it was good, you know, a couple of seasons. But you know what I'm saying, pretty much like after that, it just wasn't you know. No, I really didn't cast for it. I was just giving Stevie a ride to the set and ended up on it.

And like you said, the check started getting good, but then I started seeing, like you know, like the whole reality TV concept is, you know, you and chicks fighting and going at each other. So you know, I figured like it just wasn't going in the right direction. And rarely I think since since I left, and it ain't

just because of me. I just think that, you know, I just brought that real nigger element to that ship, and you know what I'm saying, And I think the people that I think the storylines that they try to do now with two fours, they're not believable for sure, man. And there's the whole thing, man, the things I didn't like about it, because we were talking to one of the brothers from from there was on level hire Miami what's the cash name Bristol, I think I need to

talk about. Yeah, we were talking to Bristol, and that's what he was saying. You know, he was just like man me and James was telling him to day to make our people who like climbs sometimes to the way they ended ship and the way the conversation man crazy. You know what I mean. They that's them dictating the narrative. You know what I'm saying. They want to dictate. They feel like the clickbait. You know, it gets more views for the fighting. You know, America was built on violence.

So anything that got something to do with the fighting, disrespectful cursing, it always get the most clicks and views. You know what I'm saying. When you go to when you go to positive route, like right now, you see you see Gucci Man just dis Atlantic Records. He did Gucci the clothing line, Um Sidegon this, you know, Atlantic Records, Loupe Fiasco, Alley Boy, Walker, Flocker, So all of them

is going in on these major labels. It's about time, you know, it writes basically seeing that it's a plantation, you know, just the same way, the same way with these uh these NFL and basketball teams. Michael Jordan shouldn't have never had an issue with getting ownership of a team, man. You know, but they keep they feet on, they keep our feet, they feed on our neck. So right now we really have to smash doing these protest times for for equality around here, Like we can't. We can't let

up on them right now. No, no, we gotta. We gotta definitely, man keep our next. So we got to. We got to. And that's why these conversations, man, it's so important, man, Like they're really important. And that's like James knows, you know, Joe, Joe and I know Ray No, you know what I'm saying, because it's like this, if you don't know your past, how the funk you don't know where you're here? Man, Listen, listen like to me, you know what I mean? Like really, you know, I'm

just the nigga from the hood, just like y'all. You know what I'm saying. They went through the same ship and and and with me. It's just you know, Source Magazine. I didn't know I was gonna meet Dave Maids the reality TV. I didn't know, uh that I'd be driving Stevie the sett and I'd be like, man, this should be planned. I'm just the hustling niggers. So I see an opportunity and I go for it. But I've never

compromised who I was. You know what I'm saying, get all this ship because you know, a lot of that ship, you know what I'm saying. You know, you you know it's rammed by people that have no interest in our culture and then our best interests, you know that. And that goes the same thing for the music industry. You know. But but since the beginning of time, we have to take that just to get a check, you know, we have to take that. Damn. We know, this motherfucker ain't ship.

He's a piece of ship, and he's and and ultimately I'm really getting fun. But you know what I'm saying. So that's been there from day one, you know what I'm saying, you know, and I mean honestly, like the change now. You know, I think the differences You've got a lot of white people on the front lines now be because of that. That's the difference, and that's what's changing a lot of this ship. So yeah, that's that generation of that's the mixed breed generation. You know, where

where every when the UH integration is kicked in. When the integration kicked in, you gotta look at it. You like, people can't afford to be racist right now. It's a mula. It's a mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. It's a whole mulatto generation. You know what I'm saying. So everybody, you know, you can't. You can't right now. Mama got five kids. One might be bad guy with Puerto Rican descent, one might be Caucasian descent, a massagan too, and to

nominated brother. You see what I'm saying. So it's like, it's like what you gonta do. You're gonna say you hate your brother or you I can't do that. You think about it. I got a brother hand and that thing I've loved. Example, he loved me. And if somebody called me and nigga in front of him. My partner, hey, hey, my partner for for for twenty five years, sou was

was was It was a white Jewish guy. You know, I grew up in Boston where you know, my father ran with a bunch of Italians and Irish guys, gangsters my field. So you know, on the crime mixed fact aspected in the streets, you don't see race because niggas is getting money. So but at the same time, busting was going on in seventy four and kids were getting bussed just two different schools twenty minutes away, and and Crackers was rioting, you know what I'm saying, turning, marching

and all that in Boston. So you know, with me when it comes to white folks, you know, I'm on both fends. Like I I funk with all people, but I don't funk with a racist white folks. And I know who a racist white person is. Like That's easy for me growing up, Bro, It's easy for me to automatically tell if you if you racist, and you don't funk with niggas, so automatically I can draw a conclusion if I want to funk with you, Yeah, for sure. And that's what it comes down to, you know what

I mean. Things got a mafia owned boy. He's here from Hollywood. Um you ever heard already stayed over before her no or sailor to Homie. Okay, I'm gonna do on the show before it. And he told me, he said, man, you do a lot of business. He told me, he said, man, the mom, the Italian mafia hand the fun with black people. He told me that his mouth, he said, we had to with black people. He said, how the funk you think we had? She going on the Harlem and the

Bronx and all these different places, the same thing in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah, even though even though that it was for a negative connotation, you know about just for money, because just like with the Messagans, you know what I'm saying. They know they're sending the fatting, all the the coke over here from Colombia, you know, so the math, the math, So yeah, they're gonna shift everything over here. What they don't care what happened because it's like it's not considered like it's hitting

a people, you know what I'm saying. So I keep I keep staying over and over man. When when separatism was introduced to humanity, we've been downhill every since. Once once we wasn't just not a little that as human, like a human society, and they started doing separatism and Jim Prow and all that, it's been it's been downhill that be since, right man. Salute to all y'all, you know what I mean, all y'all. The legends all y'all real street o chiefs. I got nothing but respect for

all y'all. So you know what I'm saying, James, I've been checking out all your interviews. Man. For for a minute, I was going back to back to back. You know what I'm saying, So you know what I mean for real salute, So you know I'm acent with it. You know anything that I can contribute, any of my resource or whatever, I'm on board episode The Gangster Chronicles. Man, we really enjoyed it having y'all alone here. Joe Almighty shot my nigga Raby been seen him and my homeboy

James McDonald, and we out of here. B