Rags 2 Riches

coming home very shortly. What's up, Cafario, what's happening. I'm glad to be here a monkst men man, So tell me, man, what is it that you're gonna bring to the show man. It's a little different man, mm hmm. Insight like, insight like the life that we've lived, the life that a lot of young brothers and sisters are living today. Um, if you can survive it, then you gain a great

deal of practical wisdom. Insight, right, So that's what I intend to bring because I put a lot into really analyzing my past and about the things that I've done and why I did them, and I learned a lot about that. So that's what I offer inside. Oh for sure, man, I just can't wait to see because it's a powerful trio. Man. When um, James and Reggie is together. Man, and now you man, I think it's gonna be something awesome. Man.

I can kind of sit back there, man and pupp it Matt do my thing yet, because that's really what I you know, that's what I do. I didn't start this show for me. It's always been about this brother, Reggie, and now you you know what I'm saying that it was on your mind and just you know, me sitting back kind of molding it so one thing I want to do today. Man. It was a big thing on the Breakfast Club the day with my homeboy Charlotte Mane Um that Mac teen offered Snoop Dogg a million dollars

back in the day. And you know what, I remember what was crazy about that. At that time Mac team was about four years old, and I don't think he ever gets really truly the credit that he deserves as an executive, you know, because a lot of people don't know those West Side Connection albums, those was Mac putting them out. Cube didn't want to do those projects, so that was Mac taking upon himself with his money and you know, resources and putting those together and they both

of them win double platinum. You know. So he was always a good executive, you know that. Yeah, one of the one of the few. So low key though, Yeah, he's low key a few words. Mac Own is one of the biggest touring agencies in the country. Got a ton of real estate investments. Brother okay, sar brother. Man, he needs he needs to be well. I'd say he needs to be a little more vocal, But I don't know the degree to which he already is vocal. You know what I'm saying. It might he might be. I

haven't heard any of those things. Yeah, sometimes when you're sitting in the millions, man, you don't want anybody to know your business. You know, I'm not talking about telling life, teaching them what teaching them? Life had to wrap? What do you do have to wrap? A lot of these guys start their own businesses and making sure other people get out there show You know me, I'm clueless on it. I didn't know he was doing anything. I thought he

was happily married, living large. He doing this team. You know he's doing it. You know he was my hero alone for being married to t Bons, for lock of two Bons down you know. So you know, you know Mac didson, you know, as you say, every time I touched him. You know, still I do players ship. That's how Mac talk perhip years. I haven't see Max and Don Diva days. Actually, I'm gonna call my homeboy right now. Man. That man, maybe they're Wayne in there. Yeah, that's why

he was with cash Money. That's where he met Mac. What's happening, man, what's up with you? Oh? Man? Shoot? Man? We appear man, just talking about your ball and magnificent ways. Man. I was telling Homie Cavar you and James. I was like, man, Mac is got one of the biggest touring agencies in the country. Man, he's um a real estate mogo. Man that has just done very fine man. And you know they was like for real. I was like, yeah, Mac, and I interuptate your voice. I said, that's what MACI

tell you, Man, I do players shop all day? HOI payership players should all do so you know, you know I don't follow rappers and do nothing of that, but you know some guys out there, you know, I got respect for him that and I don't even know him, uh such as you ump right right and and your ship was just one hunted. I've always want to ask you, though, how did you do ice Cube and dove C being a b dog in the middle. I just stayed. I

just stayed me, James. It was about the bag with me, right, I'm from Eklewood, you know what I'm saying, and that that that that's what it is. You know it was gonna be that way about let you know, whoever I was affiliated with, I just stood me. Oh you represented

like a mug. But I know there was some controversy somewhere around there because I know, uh dove C was it was a real one from where I from what I was told, and but but but you know, I think you know, it was a mutual respect thing, you know, just just just like you know, when what what what When you get a monst real ones, you know what I'm saying, you're a real one. And when you get a monst real ones, you know that's how real ones

carried themselves looking for no problems. It's all about respect, you know what I'm saying. And so that's how I always carried it. You know, I ain't never man them dudes from where they was from, and I ain't never you know, I you know, I never gave them no issues about that, because they never gave me no issues about me being one for body respected everybody who who who? You know, we respected each other, you know, I think,

I think the real ones. The only time it's a problem isn't when a line of respect is crossed, you know. So so so if everything stayed respectful, it don't matter where nobody from. You know, I was about the bag, right right, get your money, you're about you, you know about the bag. Then it's still about the bag now.

And that's what I tell people. I say, Man, you know, I knew a whole lot of rappers, as you know, Mac, and you know, not to put nobody out there because we did not about them on this show, but a lot of people haven't managed their finances the greatest. You know, You've done some incredible things, man, like very very impressive things. And I'm very glad, you know. I mean, you've got a lot of stuff business wives that we're doing together, man,

And I'm really glad. And it's privileged, you know, to be around a person like you, just not because you're Mac team, but because of them the knowledge about business that you bring to the game. You know, right right. I mean that's what it's about, this business, you know, and and and and like I said, I this ain't then no goofy ship. A lot of these dudes get sidetracked, you know, being involved with dumb ship. And I just that ship never interests me. Man. I've always been a

low key kind of guy. And the only thing I was serious about, you know, when they come to business is getting to the back, getting to the money. You know, if it's some ship that's gonna interfere with that when it comes to business, then you need to eliminate that part from business. You know what I'm saying, distract because because that's like hustling backwards. Yeah. Yeah, that's why why I try to stay like out of the way. You know. I don't try to step on nobody toast, don't nobody.

We don't want nobody to step on mine, you know. And I'll never bite into that bullshit click bait and all this other ship with this social media type ship. Like that's why I stay away from a lot of it, because a lot of this ship sometimes to suckers ship, man, because it's just it's just you know, it's not really ethico. You know what I'm saying. So, so I just try to stay respectful, man, and this is just stay in my lane. Well, like you said, man, it's it's definitely

a distraction man and me. And you don't want to court when it comes. I think all of us sitting at this table, I don't want to court with that because we've never been about that on this show, you know, all the stuff, because it's it's clown ship at the end of the day, you know, so you know, and I don't look good with a red nose on. So I just do me, You do me and stuff. You know. Um, I know one thing about it. Man. It's like you know,

everybody always talking about Jay. I married Beyonce, I said, Man, Mac was my hero. When I heard he was marrying home girl. Man, I said, oh my god, man, this dude nigga, I said, Inglewood nigga, A real gangster, you know what I'm saying. I said, here on made tea bars man, I said, Man, this dude. And every time I saw Max a distance, he was always the one like he was the first Rods words I saw in person, you know what I mean, Like the first thing. And I was smoking cigars and stuff and I was like

and winning khaki suits at that. Yeah, I remember saying that. I'm remember said him in the lincol low Rider nag. Yeah, and Cavarrio said he saw you in a little run. I mean, what uh, what up? What up? What up? Though Mac's having a brother. I'm good, my brother. It's been a long while, bro, I haven't seen you, says um My Don Diva days since I was doing My Don Diva magazine. Yeah. Man, yeah, but it was always

love man, Um. Right before you got on the phone, Jane, I mean m Norm was saying about the real estate company and the travel agent seeing so far touring agency. So I'm like, yo, does he get out there? Like he needs to be more out there? And Norm was like, you know, he don't want people, you know, knowing about his bread and this and the other. I was saying, No, No, I'm talking about in terms of the education that he got for himself that enabled him to come from being

who he was to who he is. Because that information is it can't even be measured how valuable that information is, because that's the information that transforms brothers like us who a lot of times, like you said, you don't manage yourselves. Well well you know the way I look at that's type. Man. But I'm glad Man can business with me so I can get to the bag man, you know, and get us right, you know what I'm saying, and let the mother dude figure it out. Oh no you paid, no, no, no,

this is it. You pay for it. You pay for that information, you know what I mean. Like it's it's school. But people only respect what they pay for, right right, you know. But you know Mac is a sharp brother man, and I'm glad I got the friendship with him, you know. On all serious that I do. Man, good brother man, and he stay out the way the mess. You know what I'm saying. It's always a positive interaction with him. Man. And we didn't go hold you up for no long time, Matt.

We just want to touch in with you. Man. We appreciate it because we you know, I want to talk too much because we got something that's more in death coming. Man. And I appreciate you on boy, it's all good man. I appreciate you all much love and respect, much love back my brother, absolutely all right. One that we had we had Mac one old man. Like I said, Man, one, you know that don't talk about you know that, don't put his business out there. You ain't gonna never see

him in the Four of Us and all that. Man. But when I tell you he's getting it, he really getting it, you know what I mean. It's just crazy because you don't find communing like that that's in the business that survived it, yes, especially back in that day business. Yeah, with then it's crazy how you don't get involved or how you couldn't have been involved and all the ship that was going on in rap music because you know, I mean, this motherfucker had a show and then this

motherfucker comes. I gotta beat with this. Everybody had to beat with somebody to make it out of that. It shows you, like thatth road, it shows you what not to do, especially me, It shows me what not to do and which way you don't want to go, because I've already been down that road, so I'm already knowing I'm going left, going right, I'm going left. I ain't

going where y'all going. So it's crazy that and you see like like uh, master p, how those dudes just made it selling ship out of the car and made it. But but so much controversy and then here here you have it. These guys is here to talk about it today, you know, and still got money. Is another guy that's doing really well still really we're still living off his money. That yeah, you still doing really well man. So hip hop has definitely been good to a lot of these brothers. Man.

You know, it's like, um, it swallowed up a lot of brothers too, sallow up a gang of people. Man, swallowed up a gang of people. You know. And like you talked about that, Eric James, when was that man that was doing the so called East West conflict? Man, that was a real dangerous time, man, because I had a whole bunch of homeboys in New York at that time. And I had homeboys me living before the death Row ship. Uh you had you had rappers that was really out

there going at each other before death Row. Oh yeah, hill Ship just came out where it was. It was. You have to know about it because the way going to New York, Atlanta and all this other different ship it was always an issue. And then the guns came to play and then she'll brought gang bang into the rap like real strong. You know what I'm saying. Would you say that was that was largely shot. Yeah, yeah,

because it wasn't it wasn't hidden like that. At first, cast was just going at it, you know, seeing each other and didn't didn't like each other ship. Then the next stage it was this rapper talking about this rapper because now they see it's more money and and battle rap, you know what I'm saying. So then here comes shoot. She'll just set the ship over the top, She'll run twenty gang members and and unleashed have at it. Whoever you rob, you rob, that's your money. So all the

wolves was out there eating and taking over ship. So now the fear come in. People were so afraid of not just shoot, but death roll, you know what I'm saying, because they know when they see death row, they could be a victim. Well yeah, exactly. You know what the East coast West coast thing that was going on for a long time. Man, another one of my homeboys, man was in the two Live crew, believe it's not Mr Mix,

who was originally from Riverside, California. A lot of people don't know that from the two Live crew, and he was telling me back in the day, man, how yeah, yeah, you know, he was telling me back in the day how they would do shows and run DM see in them and you know, New York the epicenter of hip hop. You know, it's the birthplace to start it all. Say, look at these country dudes up there with the girls on stage shaking their booties to be like you know

that ship wat or whatever. He was telling me, they would turn the lights off on him and ship you know what I mean, just stuff like that. It was like, really, but he said that that's how they got cool with Cube and all of them to down South brothers and the West Coast dudes. When they was on the road, they was kind of figuring like, you know what, man, it's only us out here. We were all these New York cats, so we could hold each other down. So that's why you say today it's still kind of a

camaraderie with the South and the West Coast. There's never been no issues because they kind of when they were starting off together. Man, it was kind of a thing. I should have tried to hit Mr Mix up man, so we could tell with them stories. He told me about the time to him and looking them almost got

into it with them cats man. Yeah, on the road, Yeah, dudes cutting off their lives they're doing the show because they was mad, because um, they were going a thing, man, And you know, these dudes was the headliners at first, but by the time the tour in, you know, to live them as the headlines of the show because they're

like they're killing it. They're killing the performance. It's two live crew is in w A. They all going out there, right, so it's like, you know, too short, they say, too short, go out there with just you know, they said, Big Daddy came to them up there and stuff. Man with these elaborate steaks setups, and too short, come out there with some cagies on a T shirt and go be action. The whole crowd go crazy, and it's like eventually he

headlined the whole show. And it's like, you know, they're looking at these dudes with these like kind of like really remedial rhymes compared to some of the stuff that the Brothers in New York was doing, it like is this possible? You know what I mean? But that all man, Yeah, it's not even man to bring back the negativity of it. Man, I'm just glad that we all passed that because really everybody kind of sounded like the from down South right now.

This kid, I just really got like my guys over the last few weeks that you know, we've been out here, um working on you know the things we're working on. Um, they've been playing a lot of stuff in me. You know, I got I got us all in this big house, right. So everybody's there, and so they're playing the TV and I'm like, well, who's that? Who's that? And everybody. A

lot of them sound the same to me. A lot of them using an auto tone ship but auto tunes, but they do all sound or are from Atlanta, like you know, like they're all from the South, specifically Atlanta. That's what's dominating right now. That that sound, you know. And that's the great thing about hip hop though, man, is that it bounces around the country. Man. And because you know what to believe it or not, Man, wish the cat that just that rest in Peaks, Man, that's

that kid. That kid's voice was phenomenal. Yeah, he had a real London England sound. A lot of people I used to go down you know, and it sounds like, yeah, they didn't call it real back then. It was called nels man. But London always had a real progressive songs when I was going over there, like in two thousand three. I would hear those beats over there and I'll be like, man, this ship is kind of you know the dudes over the rap like bloody mate. Yeah, you know, they had

a lot certain patterns. Their music was just reginal, know what I'm saying. It was the grime grime so before drill music with drill music, it was grime. Yeah. Grime is kind of like the guy father to drill music. Yeah, grime is like that grime music. And I know some of the clubs in England just like they was wasn't booking a lot of the gangster rap acts out here. They wasn't booking the um the grime max over there

because it was brothers in the club getting stabbed. You know, they don't really have they got guns in England, but you would get stabbed over there like a mother know what roadman out there? Yeah, you know they got a lot of the Africans man and the Jamaican dudes. You know, you get stabbed about them, missed the round. I gotta home mee out there. Who actually helped me to launched Don Diva in London only name is Speedy St John and he got deported. Back in the eighties, is run

around out there in d C. Body snatching. You know, they used to rob rob hustles a ship like that, so him and his crew they got shipped off. That's about to tell people. Man, this gangsters all over the world. Man, you can't really all over the world. So you'd be somewhere in Germany the bottom thinking you could about to be missing with some dudes. Drink some tea and I say, man, fly, give me a car. I dry that shark and take my gun with me. I don't worry about getting stabbed show.

I'd rather be you do j flying. I don't wait, man, I've always believed I'm not been in falling the water and get aden by a shark or crocking down gators. When we do these Gangster Chronicle shows next year, we gonna put you on a boat with your car. Right boat ride long boy. I sit on that mother but too much. If I gotta get there, I'm just gonna

leave me for y'all. That's all I got. Yeah, Australia all that, but that flight in itself, man, I was too goddamn boards shitting there and the little drinks I mean, you can only drink so many of them to go to sleep. Wake up, you're still You're still in the air eighteen hours, eighteen hours, nineteen hours straight through. If I travel that far, bro, I'm not coming back for a month. No. I stayed out there nine days. It came from man. I was worried about James not coming

back because he has. My wife heard that right now. She'd be like, he's he's not lying. Yeah, we know what's funny about it. You know, caress one, don't don't fly man. He goes over the Europe by boat, man, give me a car. What he goes, you can Rope. I ain't talking about Europe. I ain't going to Europe there. I'm talking about I'm gonna go wherever I can, if it's in car, if I can get in the car, I'm going there in the car. No I say that if I go just like when I was in Australia,

some of them sitting and all that ship. I had to get on the plane our flight. What's the fucking sense. Let's just rent a car, Let's just drive to these motherfucking playing huh So just going to these places and that to get on the goddamn plane. Then makes sense to me. I'm scared of drop falling. I don't want to fall, so like I'm gonna tell James, I meet him over the tell but we'd be over there there. You can leave three days before us, the four days before,

so we meet you over there for real. They don't do something because I can't be in the car. But I can't do a bus though I can travel by any means, you know. But the idea of being on a plane for eighteen hours, yes, but you know, I mean, if the opportunity is big enough, I'll do it. Yeah, it was, it was. It was well worth it going out there. Everything was free, ship, rooming, board food. Now

that ship was free, and that people are beautiful. Oh man, it's nothing like here, nothing like here to make you shave you. I don't want to go home really because every fucking body is nice. Everybody. You don't see none of this ship out there somewhere like that. It's a beautiful time. I end up somewe like that. Right now, I'm just in the woods and just wake up and you just see this clear ass ocean. Just man, that would be it for me. Bro what was it? But I had to come home. I had a grandkid I

had to get back to. You don't have to take care of you know, saying so, I don't like rehashing these old moments, man, But talking to Mac, y'all were smashing so hard back then with death. Roman Boy wasn't there for a time. Man. Did you ever have any communication with Sugar about that? Y'all was kind of doing too much, because I know you talked about this sometimes that you since the stuff was kind of going too far at the again, at the beginning, like I said,

I was fresh out of prison, you know before. I mean, our bullshit started in eight eight when I got out of prison. Um, the ship that we was involved in and and you know, studios and all this other ship and and just being us. You know, we would walk into some ship, you know what I'm saying, and you know, going into ruthless records, you know, walking up in their motherucking demanding contracts and ship like that. Um, yeah, it was some ship. Man. We gotta slow down. So he

was there for all legs. He was right there, up close and personal for all of them, gathering up the contracts and everything. I was in there. I was, Yeah, I was in there. I ain't gonna see what I did, but I was. I was. I was that dude like to the security with with just a little videos, you know what I'm saying. And who was there with the twins in there at the time, like the big Olds more dudes, No, no, this is this is a black brother.

He was about maybe six six, big brother and he was standing at the door of Jelly Jerry's uh office. Because you're going ruthless, go to the right, straight on down the Heart's Jerry ship easy was there. So just just knowing what we're going for. Okay, everything in there is gonna be sitting down and we can't let him move. So when we walked in and she'll got a pacific point he was going to and that's to Jerry his office. So going in there, everything else I gotta make stop.

And everything stopped going the hand of your business closed, dough, y'all do y'all thing. You know what I'm saying, Everything that belong to them, you're gonna stay outside of this. Though it would have been across to come, I would have locked the door. I knew these motherfucker's was coming out.

He didn't expect it. Um a lot of ship that that it was just walk in and I assume and she walked out of the would check to unexpected just you old us for this and Dre got the contracts and Dre Michel came with us when they told you it was this much money, Well he already knew that that because Easy Easy Officer was at his house and the contracts that Easy have. Chill didn't get that. So that's when Easy made the song. You know, Dreda still is his payday, so he was still getting his money.

He wouldn't he went no food, just like with straight out of Counting that movie. The way they did that ship, it was totally a fucking lie, you know what I'm saying. It totally a fucking lie. Easy didn't come to the office and get his ask. Well, Nicks jumped on him and then he walked away and then said, hell no,

it wasn't real. Dre wasn't punching on no mother. Dray would have got his ass wood And I'm telling that, I hope you hear me, motherfucker, if you would have touched one of the homies, everybody that I hired and that my brother brought there, all the homies was bigger than me. They was six three six four and the

motherfucker's had yokes. So if Drey would have hit any one of them penitentiary as niggers, he didn't even got raped, but you probably wouldn't mind y'all gonna cut that, but he'd have got raped, and he just seriously got his ass what So, Yeah, all that ship was bullshit, you know what I'm saying. The way they made them look and the way they made us look was a fucking joke, a fucking jokes. Why did Why do you think they did that? Why they wore the downland? I did the

same thing with Peyton for if. And you get to see anybody that be one with their character and how they how they conduct business. Everybody got to put water in and you know what I'm saying, I can't go in him be one huntred with it because everybody know who I am. Now, you know what I'm saying. So they gotta lie. They gotta fabricate a whole bunch of ship, which in that movie they did that that was come on, man, Dre did never raise his voice and Snoop, we're good.

But Snoop didn't walk in death roll. What'side a car? What's no, no, no, no, nothing like that, not carrying o blue agg in his back pocket on some banging ship. So it was just like that. So it's crazy though. He went in because that's gangster. He went there, took the contracts man, because I know if that would have been me out of any check they wanted. As soon as you all the left would have been calling the bank check number one five five free three you all

came back to MPs office. It was the mussel was the muscle was laid down before even came death row. Uh taking ship from vanill Ice and ship like that, the alleged said, I did. But I remember Chocolate, who I called him, is the one that said he wrote the song Ice Ice Baby, YadA YadA. She'll just took that what to him. Had had a piece of paper written up, thinking you old us for this, and she and Chocolate got paid for him and they did. Chip yeah,

because do you think Cholo wrote that song. I think Chocolate knows something about it. I ain't gonna talk about about my dog, but it's getting some money on. Everybody got paid. You gotta scare motherfucking mind as we'll get what you get. So that's what happened. A story. The motherfucker's and all of that other ship was the game and that business you know before She'll given became a a death row fern Hill Records. We was doing button wise is super Fest. We were security guards, you know.

And and from that Chill, Chill is a smart motherfucker. He took everything that was around him, and then he had one person putting business in his head, which was Big West. Big West told should everything you needed to know, so now she'll take that, and had his own blueprint. Sill blueprint was to bring the muscle in here and to make every everything that he probably was or thought might giving him a problem. They got attacked. So you get rid of the hardcore motherfucker's and everybody see you

get rid of them. Everybody else just started landing face down and was like this, please don't hurt me. And from that point she got everything and whatever he wanted because everybody was afraid of it. Wow, man, that that's that's like, it's crazy. Now that's some real ship. That's some real gage of ship. You know. Me and she'll have about issues, but that was it was. It was clever it was clever and and just to see the people that was afraid of him, especially at the concert.

And then you looking and motherfucker's get the funk out of the way. Here comes Sugar and his crew, and you know, Sugar got this thing and you knock the motherfucker out to that You're gonna get a bonus for doing what they did. Bet everybody out of the penitentiary. Mother, everybody would like to fight. Everybody had hands and you knock the motherfucker out in the fight. It was on

the cracking, you know what I'm saying. We had to fight with the Rams football team to hold about nine of them, and then with some big motherfucker's their ears was not going the traps and ship. I was like, what the funk, how are we gonna do this one? And we just took off. We just gotta have heard now. We were standing on courts just bank like you gotta

have hard like as big as you want to be. Man, I hit one the motherfucker's in his motherfucker's shaw his if he just my little home boy, Mike said, was like thing like men. We had the ball that night and one of the twins were still beating the ship out of one of them in the middle of the street. When the police pulled up, right ship, they took him to jail. He beat us back to death. Bro. They kind of got him out this like that. He was out interesting and talking about it, laughing about it. It

was just some fun ship. But it just got out of here to check this out. Interesting conversation or interesting story ethic. Um, we're in Miami. When I say we, I mean me meet and all the rest of the Flame and the family. Right, so my Miami is a super Bowl And I said, boll this is UH Source Awards Weekend right, this is to thousands five. Support for the Gangster Chronicles comes from Lorid Jones, makers of the

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Miach had rented Jackie Gleason's house. Remember Jackie Gleason from there, you know, honeymoonist. So he had he had this real futuristic house, like even in two thousand and five. It was a futuristic house, right, So we and there were kicking whatever whatever. You know. Micha had all the whips brought down on car carriers. And the Bentley was a brand new car like the Bentley GTS a brand new car. The Fathom was brand new car. You know. It was a bunch of you know, a couple of lanmdbows. What

have just you know, all parked out front. So Suld comes right and um, he comes to see him, come to see us and whatever. So we're sitting down at the table on the upper levels around the dentistable huge dinner table, and he, you know, we're talking and he's like, you know what, man, Um, I'm really like, I regret all that ship. Man, I really regret This is from his mouth out yes to our ears. And I'm sitting there as closest to him as I under you right now,

I really regret that ship. That ship cost a lot, you know, he said, I really regret that. Now. I'm not oning that ship no more. I'm done with that ship for real, for it. It was just too it was too costly. This is out of his mouth. Time. Remember he got nine years for a kick, not even an effective kick. It was just a kick. It was just said, I'm here nine years. So he was on paper still at the time. Yeah, you know, so it'll get a nine year violation, right that don't that don't

make no sense. But of course he was a target. Please could go all the way back when she was in v playing ball. She'll had assaults in boxes just goddamn high Uh, just getting in trouble, and getting in trouble when you're seeing his judge and you're not listening. They want to make an example out of you. Show they was trying to make an example out of him. But every time he came home, he came back home to the same ship. And that's motherfucker's ready to get

back into the ground. That's the motherfucker just ready to start punching on motherfucker's and getting that money. So he came right back in this situation, you know what I'm saying. So he didn't have a choice. So with the Orlando ship here you is, he didn't know how to separate the two. I'm gonna CEO and the gangster part. You got fifteen niggas there, Let them handle the gangster ship, and you ship back. You snatched TUPI and you sit down.

And I said this all the time. Sit this motherfucker right here by you, or y'all start walking out that guy. Damn Casino. These guys already know what to do. And I think that young dude that they whipped his ass would have would have accepted it better because he going against his rivals from Compton. And now we can take this ship back to the soil, back to the hood. Not no for beating my ass or jumping on me

and didn't hit him. These niggers disrespecting me with their feet because you know, you kick him, man, and that's the lot ship you can do. And and then you let him up. That's where the mistakes cut him up. You feel me, So chick should have stepped away from that ship. And I used to tell him. I used to tell fuck the magazines, fun chacking pictures. We do

too much to be on on film. Yeah, sounding my conversations with me and he pretty much because Meek's pretty much told himself he pretty much wanted to do what he wanted to do. Mitsya had Um. I went to Atlanta Meetsya had billboards up in there, up in the a like when you came in there. This dude was just flaunting his wealth. You know what I mean. Just I'm a deep boy. I'm the biggest deep way it is. And you can't do a damn thing when you get

caught up. And he was bothering. He was caught up, Yeah, he was. He was called up. Once you once you once you make yourself a figure, the police is looking at you. They want to see and they're gonna going depth. How you getting down like that black man without a job? How is you getting in like that show? It comes beneficial for them because you know, if they fun with him, they're gonna get some paper out of the deal some

kind of way. You know, they're saying that people will still finding cars down if you bring the luxury vihicle on Atlanta. They see people will still finding by accident. You know, the kid here the button back of let the air conditioning thing up and a trapdoor fall up, a hundred thousand dollars fall out, you know what I mean, just stuff like that. Nobody took that hundred thousand dollars

in the house. You know, it's yours. Motherfucker's is crazy and you gotta put it in the lost and founds for thirty age and then if done, nobody claiming the jail about your mind. But you know why somebody got to even know I don't understand that. I mean understand, you know, being a moral person and I understand those things now, I mean we had that people get screwed up like this. If this people get that screwed up. People do think that gangsters don't have morals like normal people.

Don't think that gangsters have morals. They said, they figured morals are what they define as moral. So what they define as morals is, you know, someone who won't harmon of the person you know, or you know, do some do some you know, something drastic to another person. That's what they believe to be moral. But what the truth of it is that all situations in society have their morals. There are things that people do in corporate America that we in the street would never do. Oh for sure. Man,

you think just the American government alone. You think about the president, right, he goes he's looking for Osama being lutton, right, and he go, we gotta kill his motherfucker. Right. He knows when they do the when they do the surveillance on this stuff, and when they do the intelligence he's in there. It's about thirty kids in the villages, you know, fifty elderly people. Whatever. Gotta go, gotta go, that's the mentality.

So they dropped the bomb knowing that in order to get this one target, they go kill an innocent people that don't have ship to do with the situation. You know, those aren't people, Those are collateral damage. But I can't make it right or justify murder. And you've got people shooting on the depth road for murder or in prisons for murder, and they is all right for them commit murder. Man the hypocrisy, that's the hypocris bush they are, they are.

We understand this. We understand that the banking system is gangsterism. If you understand what what the tenants of banking are, do you understand that that's the same thing as the tenants and gangsterism? Government, same thing, same thing. We take what we can enforce. You dig like we do what we can enforce. So you know, I mean it. You can't say that if you're not bullying, we can't bully other gangsters. That's our space. So I mean no, you can't.

Mother can't bully me. You got you got brothers out there with this mentality. Okay, he's the hardest motherfucker. They're saying his house. So I gotta prove to you you're not the hardest. Okay, okay, So are you're not knowing my approach, You're gonna have a problem because either I just woke up and shoot you, or I see where he's going. Did she has his hands is did she? However, he get down. Let's see how you get down before

we really go one thirty. That's why you have to make every demonstration thorough, thorough for those who who might be watching you. You hold sye like normal said earlier, or mac has said earlier, like gangsters don't want no problems. Man. You're trying to get to the money, trying to get to the bread. Now, anything in between us and that and the circumstances around getting to that will incorporate whatever means unnecessary. So in the instance of death Row, that

meant putting weight on cats. But in some instances in the gangster space, it doesn't mean putting weight on cats. It means out thinking them, out maneuvering them, out doing them.

You know what I'm saying. On the playing field right, So when when when you know somebody comes at you and you don't know them, and they're trying to test your steal or whatever ever, If a if a man don't walk up to me, if he has any malicious intent, if he walks up to me or or or being like me, he's going to have to get it done right then and there, or leave it completely alone because he's he's he's giving his life up. Now, if you

get that's not bullying. If if you, if you, if you knock the cat off right then and there, it's not bullying. That's that's not bulliant. But bullying is when you're constantly putting that pressure on that individual. You can't do that to know gangster. Once you make it known to him that you don't intend to allow him to exist harmoniously, then it's on. It's not no bullying. Every time you see me we face fighting and you you you boxing me out and all that, that's bullying. You

ain't no gangs if you're getting bullied. And the reason why I say that is because the tactics that that she'll have used with certain individuals in the music business we're tested were Uh, if you don't do this, I'm saying such and such. If you don't do this this way, then we got a problem. If we got a problem, you can't be here. Here are here facts. So if a motherucker don't go here here and here already accept that he allowing him to bully him, that he could

stop calling something. But then you have that man that says, okay, do what you gotta do. I don't want to mention no Masterpee names or no Luke's you know that wasn't afraid of, you know, the Boogeyman or the big bad shoes. I don't want to say their names. So you know, don't think I said Luke or or a man name in this No doubt, no doubt came doubt, no doubt. We never say though when you run up across somebody

that wasn't. Yeah, but then now you got the nature step the game up and then but you can't step the game up in another motherfucker's house. You ain't gonna be They're gonna win at somebody else house when they got because they're on the square. On the square, you can't beat the man on the square a hundred pounds heavier, four ft taller. If a man is on his square, he is most powerful on his square. You can't be

out done on his square. See the way you beat somebody who has a greater you know, maybe have a greater position, they have a greater degree of power or a greater degree of resources, is you get them to be so confident that you get them to come off the square. Because once they come off, they square. All things are equal. But one thing I got Roy Jones not to cook all off, man, I got I guess I'll be doing that read tonight. You know one thing I wanted to say about that though, man, and this

is really the old thing of it. Man, we can sit up here and glorified you know, all that stuff that has classification. Yeah, but you know, I think James made a valid point. Should had accomplished something. Man, there's no ceo since Barry Gordy was able to do right. He had really built the dynasty right once he had

put the demo down. Now, I'm not gonna say in that area that some of them asked weapons weren't necessary sometimes in order to get what you want, especially back then, you had executives acting the way they did because I was in the industry, you know, I was working for the publishing companies and stuff like that. Man, you had to roll a certain way because in l a meeting

doing this. Man, I had over the mentor to work for Bug Music, and he had took me to the bar one time and he said, man, you're ready for it. You got you this job right. What you go do now? And I said, you know what's cool. I'm in there. I'm thinking, I'm just working for a publishing company. I got a little bit of power I can get to do with the check, but I had limits to what I could do. If it was anything over seventy five dollars,

I couldn't move on it. So this older brother man, and he had been working the industry man since the very gordy days, right, he told me, he said, man, listen, you got a class of people out here, especially in the West Coast, even in New York. You'll get guys that's gonna be coming here trying to press you to get deals down and do this and that. And I

never ran across that man. It's like you said, like, And I think maybe because I knew people and stuff like that, I never had a problem with getting a brother check. If they had the goods, you had to be on a certain level because I didn't mind telling the person they was whack. You know, this ain't no good man. It's like, I can't do nothing with this. Get some traction with it. And I had people that might have got up. You know, don't nobody want to

hear that day stuff ain't at the bar. But I just kept one hundred with him, and I never made them think that I was gonna do something with them. But I saw a lot of record executives back then. Man, they would you know at brothers give brothers agreement has had them going back and forward the attorney and then the deal just wouldn't go down. It would be somebody the end of the pipe that said no, I think what what should deal? Man? He had such a tremendous

opportunity at that time. Man, I really will say, man, that about him kind of going over poor? He set us back another teen years. Man, I agree, I agree with that. I think I think everything is still moving the way it was going to be moving. It's moving even better that he's out of the way. And which were the people in the musical business wanted him out

of the way. Now they can go home and close their card dough and won't in their house opposing having a light on the porch, having somebody stand by the door with the door open, and having somebody walked the perimeter around the house. People was putting up cameras because it she was nice. People were straight afraid of his brother and and people don't realize she was a smart

motherfucker and he used his ship. Man Sugar is the only motherfucker I know that can get twenty motherfucker's bigger, bigger or the same size as himself and control it. You know what I mean? Have them do or I mean the devil all you motherfucker's do my bed and and and nobody come out of it with riches. Nobody come out motherfucker's right now today. So what was if they don't come out of it with riches and they're doing the Devil's bidding? What was their payoff? What was

that motivation? The payoff was doing something that we never did before, travel uh get money without uh disrespecting others to get it, which is robbery and all this other ship uh cash and had to sell dope and sitting on the block all day no more. Motherfucker's was getting a paycheck, which stability and nobility. Everybody that was coming out of there never had a paycheck, never seen a paycheck,

Never want you to bake the casting check. And I think that aspect of it was beautiful, Sames, I think it was beautiful. I think I'm about to control party. I think at some point, what you gotta say now, you gotta say, okay, we don't put the demo down to l A. Ain't nobody messing with us, right, I got brothers here working for me. Now at that point you got to go to the next level. Now I say, okay, this dude got a legitimate job, this cat got a

legitimate job. We don't have to do nothing else, because I remember the time, man, motherfucker's were scared shipless a death row. You didn't have to do nothing else at that point, right, you just go boom a motherfucker runn across the room. Right, So now you're at this point, you got it going on. The most powerful man of music, Jimmy Iven love you you over there playing football with this cat over his house. One of the biggest dudes

of music. I think with sugar Man, not to show people I give credit with creditors due if you look at what he put together, Man, it was genius. You know it was million in a in a year. Was that you wanted in fifty million? His first year death row was worth over six hundred and seventy eight million dollars, and and I don't know where that money went. Yeah, nobody, you've got to understand, see a lot of these numbers

that they bring up somewhere. This is the it's yeah, this is the fun umber and the way it works to the way it works. And distribution is this too. You have record sales coming in. Right as soon as those record seals come in, that money is distributed. It comes in. So it's like it's like even when we do, okay, let's say you gotta roster ten people come in, right as soon as that money come in, you gotta pay accounts, fees, press and distribution, marketing calls. So all that stuff is

coming like this now. Even still after that, you have a hell of a net profit after that right to where it was a lot of money made. But if you're spending the money as soon as it comes in, watches women, all this other extra stuff. Man, it can go fast. Yeah, it can go fast. If I told you, man, and too thouse in uh in two thousand and six, that's the most money I've made in my wife. I made eight dollars. When I tell you, I don't got a penny from that in nine days. Because it's something

about it. The more money you make, the more money you spend. Well, that's because you don't know the nature of money. People who do that. I did that, I made and spend millions because I didn't know the nature of money. Gets what I'm saying is when you when you don't know the nature of money, your one relationship with it is consumption. Exactly, consumption. People that they can buy their comfort, you know, dollars. I'm gonna be a fucking idiot with it. I'm gonna I'm gonna spend it

like a goddamn fuck it. But what but what about the fact that you're you're you're a man, You're a man with a certain age, right, But the opportunity for you to do developed that type of foundation, financial foundation for that beautiful grandchild, my grandkids. You know, it's just different enough, because you know, the thing is when you get older, I get money. Now I'm less after spend it. You feel what I mean, It's like, I don't give a about cars. I don't have every kind of car.

Heals pretty much. I'm not tripping on no cars. As a matter of fact, I thought about that they don't even have a car now that my wife drive this, my son's drive this. So the car I thought was mine, my son it's up at sc he's driving that motherfucker. So it's like, I really you know Ship, you know, when I needed I gotta hopping it with. But it's like now, man, you know you think about that whole thing, man, and it was really like, um, you've had some incredible

We've had some incredible black executives and hip hop. You know, um, you know you got cash money records. You know, people talk about Birdman as far as his lack of paining people and stuff like that, but nope, he's on the run to where he's the one that's outlasted everybody. If you look at it right, you know, he's outlasted the bad boy area. He's outlasted the death Row era, and he's been still going. You know, you thought about it when you've left and when he had the struggles with Wayne,

he come out with Drake. So he's out last everything. But it seems like with our black executives, it's always something we've never had the one dude that's always straight up across the board. It's like, if you talk about puff, I think Jeff Dixon, Jeff Dixonutle Chris, Yeah good, but Helutle Chris has been the the the godsend artist, loyal, appreciative, respectful,

reliable on time. Like because I've known a lot of people who've had a lot of artists, and Jeff has had the best consistent run with a top end, top earning artist that I've ever seen, never an issue. Well, I'm gonna tell you, I like a lot none of you know. Shout off the coach K and P. They for what they did in Atlanta. Man, they took dudes that was unknown in which you know, you know what means, I know it. It's very hard, shout out to coach.

Almost impossible to take a brand new dude, I don't care you all talented heels and make it hit record. So I see the stuff that's going on now with the me goes to where they're coming because you know, it's mighty find of timeling. This ain't no touring going on because of the COVID and you know his woman is in a lawsuit. Now they're saying they robbed this right, But what they're not thinking about the first record they

had to broke nationally. Coach K, I know, for aspect facts spent about two and fifty dollars on own money. So yeah, his own money so he can with a roll the dice. People don't remember that later room. So now I'm looking at this debacle right and I'm looking at them. Oh they're suing them. Now they're saying they got robbed, had an unfair deal. But you wasn't saying that when they were spending their money on helping you fulfill the thing they rolled going. So now you're sitting

on there talking about these brothers and stuff. I don't like it if you're starting the business and there's certain things that you gotta pay for to start that business and then you I come in or these little cash come in, and then your artists, are they possible for that? They still have to pay that two hundred fifty dollars two hundred fifty tho you that caused to make a record. Why should they have to pay the tuning? Your interest is in them? And see that's where this this music

ship is sucked up. Because everything you do for me, don't tell me you're doing something for me, And at the end of the day, I gotta pay it back. But I owe you know if you come and get me and say I want to do this, and then you spend that no listen. No, no, really, I'm making sense of the ship. And you spend a hundred thousand dollars on your corporation, that's what I got to do

with that. And then I come in as an artist and then everything from that you spend on me to give me where I need to go, I owe you. Why do I have to pay that back? I'm not I don't have and then I don't have no knowledge of your business. Your business is your business. I'm just your artists. Why do I pay back this joanty dollars that that you got from uh Dick Griffy. That ain't

my fucking business. Well, if the two thousand was expended to create a project for them, then that's why it's directly attached attached to them, to them, and that's gonna be the same for everybody who got allocated whatever they got allocated for their project, that has to come back if if it go out the bag and it don't come back to the bag, but but the bag gonna

be empty. Got the bag? You're not listening to women, bro, You're seeing if they got an advancement record company already and they spend that money on you, why do you whether they have to give it back. But see, let me tell you about this particular situation. Right, and this is how usually happens. A rapper come at you, right, a rapper, you know, it's a million rappers off. They're looking for deals. A lot of talented people in the streets. Right,

it's more talent than the dealose deals. Right. You get these guys right here, you invest in them, You say, Okay, I'm gonna take this two hundred fifty thousand dollars I got and make you a start. I don't know when no guys bringing ther from no business. The way it works. Okay, now we don't make a million, that's cool. We're gonna make this million. But I'm gonna take my little too fifty back up off and I made, and we're gonna split the rest of this stuff up. That's how I

should go. That's how you know. I don't. I don't exactly I go. They do more than that. Oh yeah, in three d and seventy, I will admit this, James infrastructure, the counting in the recording industry. You ain't got me then? Yeah, the counting known that. But to see, that's the thing. They gotta stop making it seem like you get other

than business. See that's another thing that I've had the opportunity to who observed during my period doing Don Devon and Hip Hop Weekly and being around these guys, and I hunt with the with the artists. I didn't deal with publicists. I didn't deal with underlings or assistance or labels. I got my access to the labels through the artists themselves. Y'all want you to spend money with this magazine on

my project whatever, That's how I got them, right. I established relationship with the artists, so I got to sit and listen to everybody's stories and all that. Right, And one of the most consistent issues that I saw a lot of these kids come from homes that are not structured. A lot of them come from homes that are missing the family dynamic. Right, so when they meet somebody who may be the first person that expressed some interest in what they're doing, and that person sensing like doing what

human beings do? You know? I mean, this is this is this is what that for the laws is about. It's not about so much you trying to assimilate all this behavior and you know, um trick and fool everybody it's about you looking at what has historically happened and seeing that human beings do these things, you know, without knowing they do them as a response to them trying to get what they want and seeing what works that. It starts all way down here. I cried, you come,

bring me food? Got you? You know what I mean. So that's just human beings responding to their environment and their desires and the and their environments resistance to providing their desires. So when these guys come into contact with these guys with these labels, and the guys like, hey man, you're good, shorty, I'm saying, we're gonna brow you up this any less. Oh really, that's what's up. I appreciate that man with Yeah, Man, you with us. We family, man,

I got you. You're gonna get you straight. You know what I'm saying. You're gonna be rich. And they make them rich, but the money does not mean as much to them as the sense of family, you know what I'm saying, The sense of family that they give them when they tell them I got you human. That means that all the things that I didn't get from the primary male role model that I didn't have, I'm expecting

them from you. Is that unrealistic? Yes, it is so basically what you're saying and I'm hearing you that the black brothers has learned from the white boys how not to give and no when to give a motherfucker his Money's uh, you're do a motherfucker's song and it's number one. You don't see a goddamn dollar for six months. Get me my motherfucking money, man. But this is how they do it more exactly why we do joint ventures. You

come in, you came down. I'm not gonna make you because you're not gonna be talking about me a year from now if I don't your name, I'm talking. But what I'm saying, no, no, But the point is valid. Though not get paid. People do not get paid. And and just because you're in charge of of of my career don't mean you take what you want and distributed to me how you want. That's just that's just take my money. That's just bad investlement. Investlement is bad veins.

That's the only way to do it, dope, Listen, what's the only way to do it. That's not the only way to do it taking the money and giving them. Motherfucker what they want to give him mocking and and and that's I don't know, watch you'll do it? I watch you Uh the chronic did nobody she was having the ball off that motherfucking money. Dreydon wouldn't get none of that money, didn't shoot that money for another ninety days. And motherfucker's just like, damn, I can't get my money.

Everybody eating. But you gotta think about it like this to one thing that we are saying is that at some point the motherfucker take a risk. He could want to get his back because should be spend a million dollars to keep sugars ass out of jail. And then this starts snoops not snoops to keep snoop by the jail. You gotta think about it this too. Don't body ever thinks about to do the loose. Don't nobody ever talked

about that because she made that money back. No, let listen to James, give me up, brother, give me out now right. There is more than likely when you signed artists. If you've got a record label and I got ten artists, more than likely out of them ten of this, I'm gonna have one of them that may do okay, right, one of them that may do okay, one that may break even, and the rest of the motherfucker's may flop, and I can spend the same thing on all of them.

Let's just snake for the business. But that's what you having a label. You gotta say, uh, this contract over, this contract over, I don't know that the way you want to go. You can go do this, But yet they hold on to these people and then the budget that they give you to say maybe a month, I mean like she'll playing the people renting all of this other ship. But at the end of the day, you

own me. This ain't no, this ain't got nothing to do with no love or you the home mee and none of that the end of the day, like he did, Um the majority of the guys that was there, like he did, Danny Boyd. You know everything that you do for me, I gotta recoup you back with a great thing about the day. Though. Man, it's like, really you don't like that traditional record business, that model back then it's over because you ain't just right. They robbed people,

especially Nature. Yeah, because we owned the publish and I ain't gonna say we because I didn't get none of that money. The publishing company I was working for on the Gap Band's publishing, right, this was the average deal back in the seventies, owned up even to the two thousand's. You get fifty cent off of each record. Right, they give you a hundred thousand dollars, a hundred thousand dollar budget to record right now, and I'm just breaking the

math down. You have a hundred thousand dollar budget to record an album right out that hundred thousand dollars, just say you come out with your first week and you wind up selling five half a million albums right with six dollars retail wholesale Rational that's coming back right there, that's one too, that's three million dollars. You'll be thinking, I'm good, I get that three new we charged you back out that little fifty center record that you make.

We don't made money, you haven't recouped. Yeah, so you get back out the fifty cent. That's the game. That show didn't make that model up. Sugar is able to get to the point he got to because he assimilated the model. Had he not, they wouldn't let him get to where he got to. Come ahead and break the game. How we make our money. Should learned from the big boys. That's that's what I'm saying. This is what I'm trying

to say to y'all right here at this table. Show the brothers that starting their own labels, record labels and ship like that. They have learned from the big and now they're trickling down where a motherfucking rapper. Rapper ain't number the slave and the music business well pretty much. That's why I really would it should be the ideas of commodities, no more slave than the ones that's proven the dollar dollars the same thing. Get out there and work,

Drake not slave, no more. He's proved this point. He's making motherfucker. He proves his point. He has limited but you can spend as much money as he wants to. He's paid. He's going on because I'm gonna tell you what this It used to be. At least when you had doing fun up deals. You could go on the road and make you a hundred thousand dollars and show and want nobody getting that's so fucked up because they're getting a piece of your show money. Get a piece

of your merchandise money. You sell a T shirt and I'll get half of that. It's like this. But my thing is this because I don't see my home like I'm gonna tell you like this, Like nobody closed the door. That's why they came in. Like I'm gonna tell you like this, man, I was around the t D dudes when they first started, right, and I'm gonna tell you that dude took care of his artists. I saw the money he was spending. Right. We go to Vegas to go to Little Wayne's video shoot. Everybody lining up to

go to the burgers joint. You know, I'm a grown man. I'm buying my own ship. Right by the time he running out of the the tab three hundred dollars, that's just one expense changing with the bill study rising, you go to the club that night, Nick is walking around with drinks in their hand and ship changing. He paying for all that. So it comes to a point to where, Okay, now, for the last six years and you've been fourteen, I don't been paying your weight, I don't been feeding You've

been using my studio and stuff. So not by the time you get up to finally get a deal, you might have spent three hundred thousand dollars on this motherfucker. And you come in there and the check come in, you gotta do look at you like, yeah, I'm gonna get this. No, you get this little bit, and I gotta get mind back in order to keep the ship floor. Because if you don't have some kind of recouping mechanism, it ain't gonna be no label. It'll be all out

and nothing coming in. But the deal can because what they can do with these guys. I think you kill all that man and you have a tear when the dude first coming in. You get this. You know this. You're paying your dudes. If you win, you get this. I think every artist you get two dollars unrecoupable. There's enough money there. You don't show a significant dollar of records. If you sell five from the thousand records, you get two dollars off each record. You get paid. We get ours.

Everybody make money. So whenever I am talking to people and they present an idea and idea sounds like it's just got all the walls and floors and seals and everything in it. I see, okay, now that that obviously is something that you thought about. You thought this, this is a great ideas. Playing simple anybody can see this now, think about it like this? What could be wrong with it?

That's what people don't do. They come up with these great ideas, but they never ever entertain what could be wrong? How could it not be a good idea, because that will get you to a better idea. There are things that are not considered in what you just said about giving them the two dollars recoupal. But it sounds like a great thing. But there are things that none of us are prized of that are part of that mechaniation, especially in the old model. We're in the age of digital. Now.

Ain't nobody pressing no records. Nobody's paying for the materials to press records, nobody's owning or operating the machines to press. And there's no way I can't find a record executive not working to publishing for ten years. I don't know how that ship worked. Ihead. I was looking at the glass of statements the other day and I was like, man, I don't like this ship. Is weird iss here? How

do you pay somebody a fraction of a penny? You feel what I'm saying points understanding understanding nature of money. It's all numbers only cent of the money that we spend exists. It's all just so, yeah, you can take you can take a fraction of a number, sure, actually, and then you know what the thing is. I'm gonna tell you. Then the music industry is making more money now than they overhead, mean physical you don't have the

pressional CDs up no more. When I was in the music industry, you was gonna spend two fifty and then you know, to get the nice thing with the nice forward, all this stuff. Like that man with the jel case, he was gonna spend two fifties. So by the time you went to market with that motherfucker's, you were selling it for ten dollars to try to make back your costs. Right,

there was a lot of stuff with it. And I'm gonna tell you what was what was sucked up back then is you were here about it all the time. James is my artist, Right, he comes out, he's popping. I pressed up twenty five thousand units he don't know about, and ship the motherfucker's to Japan another twenty five because I'm no one looking out for you. That was that

was my business for the longest time. I had guys that would come to me and said, and I handled all the paperwork and everything, all the you know ship to go over there, man, and had a nice ass check from It was all cash on delivering. You know, you send the motherfucking ten thousand CDs over in Europe and expect he gonna pay you back. Good luck, Good luck with that motherfucker over Africa. Something we fucked still, I ain't sending him ship. What are you gonna do?

Come over and get it, you feel what I'm saying. So it was like that back then. It was fucked up. But the good thing about that I was kind of the safe because I was doing that with the artists. I was like, man, you know, the nig is not gonna pay you no way, you might as well. Let's let's get that early and get that off. And you know what I'm saying, That's that's real ship about that overseas thing going on and people not knowing about it.

All right, So this, uh, this person of this family, this family that you know I had love and respect for, you know what I mean? Um, all but one has passed now, but they were at the inception of the record businesses is related to hip hop sugar Hill records. Right, So one of the things Sylvia, Right, So how do you don't even wanted to share the name? I said,

sugar Hill. I mean you know people who know, No, people don't don't, right, But um so what what she what she was doing was essentially you know, the blueprint that she got from. You know, if people don't know this business was started by the mom you know what I'm saying. So it's it's always been crooked, just like the film, Just like the film industry. What do you think these people are getting the money from the start students and build students. These people they didn't have money.

They got the money from gangsters the music industry. That's what I said. And that's the whole premise of this show. By the way, everything is rooted in game, from the American government to every everything is corrupt, right right, that's I mean this, This is a corrupt nation. The planet is corrupt. It's all corporate at ocracies, all of it. There are no countries, it's just corporations, you know what I mean. But they tell people, they tell them now

in terms of that old that old model. Um, when when they were putting people's records out and all that whatever. They didn't They didn't tell them about how much, how many records are being sold and all that whatever here here. They didn't tell them anything about publishing here. Bro they were killing them overseas with what random people's they had.

My man Zeno ben Zino, he's the source, was my partner from Hip Weekly, right they had he found that they had his publish and they had so many They were going around and and and signing up to get to receive people's overseas publishing because they had no idea about it. They were only watching if that over here, but they were getting checks. We gotta go, right, we gotta go right now. Like I said, I worked. That's the end of the industry. I worked on publishing. Before

we leave. I'm gonna tell everybody about one thing that was real gamester. A lot of people don't register. They published in different countries, right, so you have different people that kind of handle the publishing, different agencies. Right. If you don't know no better than if I want to be scandless and you're a brand new artist, right, I can go over there and rigs to Yo Publishing and Russia somewhere, right, and I'm collecting on all this publishing.

By the time you go get it back, I could collect the million dollars and they can't do a damn thing about it. Yeah that's what this Oh yeah, yeah got me. That's only a resort resort that we would result to us because we've got that in our toolkit from our experience we got down. Unfortunately, we ran out of time right now, But I wanted to give a quote. I really got hooked on this book last week. This was written by Cavarios. Uh fifty critical quotes, and I'll

pick the selection. I'm gonna be reading one of these for y'all to ponder own and the audience. Man. Every week, man, every experience we survive as a gift wrapped in a forgettable package development. No one wants to experience hardship, but it's a necessary aspect of existence, for without it, we cannot learn our strengths or weaknesses. If we don't contend with something at some point, we don't develop the resilience that a great life requires, all the while yearning for

a great life of wondering why that eludes us. Embrace challenges, see setbacks, and sharpen your blade on bullshit. Once you survive something you were sure would kill you. You begin to appreciate the truth value of life, and we're gonna leave you like this. I suggest you gogle get that fifty critical quotes. That was it. Man, I'm still I'm

definitely writing out of that book. I'm I'm I'm dritting my ship down, every every thought I have, every time I go to one, and and it makes me think, like, damn, if I had throw like this a long time ago, I wouldn't be I wouldn't have been that person a long time ago. But then I think, if what if I wouldn't that person along time ago, would I be

here today? But but I was? I was that person, right, So it being exposed to this the information that led to me creating those quotes didn't It didn't interfere with the person I was. It infused the person that I was. Anybody that knows me knows that I I stopped that nothing. If if everybody had this book, we get along better. Yes, I'm gonna bring my book that you gave me, and I'm gonna show you everything I've written in it. And

I think it meant it might be a different term. No, But the thing is that's it's it's open to interpretation. The quotes themselves were created from a very young, young young person, you know, is mine trying to wrap myself around the concepts that were being shared with me by my predecessors, these gangsters, you know. So I'm trying to understand what it is they want me to understand, and I'm interpretating it in the best way I can for my own and not my own purpose is my own use.

So I may not have gotten exactly what it was they wanted me to understand, but what I got from it was something that I was able to use. So, however, it is the whole thing is about sparking a more critical process. Like I said earlier, you had a great thought about what could work two dollars off each one unrecoupable. But you have to expound on that and see if there are any holes in it before you accepted as a viable you know, idea and too damn sharp, too

smart against the chronicles. Man, Man, we gotta xucate, I educate man, my tutor. The thing is man, The nature of a thing is the nature of a thing. It doesn't change by virtue of his view. So although I'm able to articulate myself the way I am now. I was as dark and destructive as they come. M M, you know I got honestly said that. So in a sense we are work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm James McDonald, I'm Cavario h and I'm still Man And that's the

Gangster Chronicles piece. Oh and make sure, um, we'll be making a big announcement Man on our platform. Um, the episodes on YouTube are going to be start really being limited to the first five minutes of them. Um, we're starting our own platform because, as you see, the government has been getting down on these different platforms for the things they've been doing and everything, because I don't know how you go from half of me. Um, you know,

there's a lot of stuff going on. Just stay tuned, alright. Peace