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Jelly right here, my brother, Thank you first and foremost for the invite. Thank you, Thank you a appreciate it.

Oh for sure. Man, We've been meeting to get you on here a long time. And Coco was like a friend to show. You know, he got like a card, He got the little Gainst the Chronicle card in his wallet that he carried around with him. He just you know, pop pull in, pull up all the time. You know, I want to I always wanted to ask to a question man, with California's climate being what it deals with the black and brown, you know it's getting a lot better. Yeah, No,

Yeah, yeah, well you know, first and foremost. Let me just cannot you mind if I share how I met Crawford?

Yeah, for sure.

Well, Crawford was probably about sixteen years old. He was still going to Centennial High School. And for people that may not know, I started doing mixtapes for Steve Janno a Theorodium nineteen eighty seven to nineteen ninety one, and on those tapes featured Dre, cub Easy, Jjfad Tone Low, Young, MC, high, C, DJ Quick, AMG, Second to None, et cetera. I must have did maybe about thirty of those mixtapes back then.

Would you come and spin for me?

And I said, yeah, okay, I took my turntables. And what I really really liked about him was at sixteen years old, how he engaged with the crowd.

Yeah, he got hello, he got Hella showmans. Yeah.

So at that time, that's pretty much what I said, Like I told Steve, just get him on a mixtape. So you know, I will say this to address your question. I grew up in Wilmington. When my family first came for a Mexico, we moved to Compton and I was there I was about nine years old. Then from there we moved to Wimington, which I still live. Wimington was blacks and Mexicans. You know, on the west side, you

Was that because of the music and hip hop?

I think it was the hip hop culture absolutely. A lot of people may not know that. Michael Chambers, who's known as Boola Shrimp or Turbo, was from the Eastie of Wimington, Okay, and he was one year older than me, so he actually taught me how to pop. So I hung around with him for a while and from there I was about fifteen years old when I met DJ Joe Cooley from Compton. He taught me how to spend.

You know so.

And I'm glad that God allowed the rainbow colors in my family, you know, saying so. But as far as that is concerned, I always got a lot of shit because while you're over there fucking with the blacks, why don't you help Rasa? And I was always straight up. I always said, look, bro, when I meet RASA that can rap, then I'll fuck with them.

That was it, Oh wow, man, because yeah, we sul just stay goga.

Now just listen.

So at the time when you started spinning and rap, there were no nobody was interested as far as trying to get in the hip hop. You think that was it as far as the Mexican.

Side, Okay, Frost, I know he had a song called rough Cuts. I think that was like an eighty eight kid bro. Then he had another song called Terminator. He didn't drop La Raassaun til nineteen ninety. Around eighty nine ninety, there was another rap group that they were called Spanish Fly. I remember, yeah, Esse Rich Rock, DJ Tricks and Dazz, and I was working with Esse rich Rock, but when he got with the group, I pretty much just left

And then at the end of the day, it is a business men, like you said, during that time period, it's not like it was an overabundance. I don't even think Chicano rap but they called Chicano rap was around yet that didn't exist. Shit that hadn't been created, right, you know, you had kid Frost. I would see Mellow mayonaise. That was a little bit later on.

They actually dropped the same year, nineteen ninety.

Yeah, yeah, you had Mellow mayn a. So it wasn't It wasn't like it was a whole bunch of people because I heard the Spanish fly because I had a record store and it was a cat named Murray Brumfield. Yes, that he had kind of like he had really kicked off the Chicano rap stuff. And a lot of people don't know Mary Bromfield was a black guy. There was a teacher at Norwalk High School that was one of

I started my career in eighty four.

Eighty four, So you so you perceived everybody up here, what you know, everybody as far as so you was on in eighty.

Four, Well, coming from my dad and coming from.

Uncle, well, yeah, that's right. You had a history, you know, and I.

Was already we had to cheat cod but eight was around the time. And then prior to signing with Easy, our person was gonna sign with Bobcat.

That's I was gonna say, DJ Bobcat yep.

And nineteen eighty six and eighty seven I was with my uncle Willie Hutch's label, but that didn't work out because you know, they had a certain style and they didn't like all that custody and all that shit. So it really started back in nineteen eighty four years ago, I mean interject I met him.

I believe it was nineteen eighty eight. One of the times that when later you came up with laid out to audio achievements.

Yeah, and that's when I had met him. Yeah, you mentioned audio achievements with Dnavan Dirt Biker Smith, they did all the That was where NWA recorded all this stuff, right, that was where Drake was at all time.

Yeah, out of in the Dirt Biker I think he's rested in peace.

Then, Oh really, I haven't heard that. But you know what, me and Hunty recorded half our album there. Yeah, so we had a great time man, like you know, Dre. Each of them would leave and then we were going because we had to rint block time back then. So but Donovan was giving us like seventy five dollars an hour, but they had to be like ten hours.

So but it was a good deal though.

We finished it and we got a good sound out of that studio.

Hell yeah, that's why couldn't everybody.

The days of the big budgets and he budgets for videos.

You know what I say. He though. You know what was good about that was that people had to be serious about their craft. You couldn't just say I'm gonna get it, go be a rapper, because there was an entry point. If you didn't have no producer of the homie they had the four tracks in his garage or the eight track. You had to kick it in some money and even then messing with the homies. In some cases you had to kick you here some money.

I started in the garage.

I was just the same. We started from the garage.

Tables and just making making tapes, just rapping over like like they call mixtapes today. That's how we was doing it back then, rapping over niggas beats and just shit.

Yeah, it was a different area.

That was the time where we used to you know, stop the tape, the tapes.

Paul's tapes, you know, that was that was That was an.

Experience though putting the Palls tapes. I'm gonna ask each of you all the question. This includes you two eight when you first started doing this as a little kid man, because everybody start with the same vision. You just fall in love. You ain't thinking about getting paid, You ain't thinking about none of that. You just like, I'm gonna be an MC, I'm gonna rap, I'm gonna be a DJ. Did you ever think that she would achieve the things that you achieved? No, And I will tell you why.

You know, I started popping and I thought I was pretty good, and then breaking came in and I thought I was pretty good, but I was just too damn tall for breaking. So so when I started DJing was pretty much when I got introduced to when I saw Joe Cooley spind back in the day and he was spending less work, he was doing dual did he he was doing and the be goes on by orbit he was cutting it up. I knew that's what I wanted

Ye had the birthday Violet. For those that don't know, Violet Brown was a pivotal piece. It's a pivotal piece in West Coast history. She was the buyer for Warehouse Music and always had an open door policy with everybody.

Yes, so he choose me to Herd, He choose me to Dre, Steven choose me to Easy Jinks. My very first record that I read did scratching on was for Jink's produced a record for a rapper named Dazzy D and they were signed to Kelvin Anderson. Much love and respect to him, the owner of VIP Records. So that was in nineteen eighty seven and we recorded that at Echo Sound. That was the first first time I met Pool and I met King T the engineer there was VOCHEK and that was my first record that I were

Now?

I didn't know if Dre was it. Didn't really have no money at the time. We went to his apartment in the Paramount. Michelle opens the door. I walked in with my turntable. He was in a team out of sample and he had nothing in his apartment. So I asked him like, how long have you been living here? And he said like six months?

Why?

And I was like, okay, cause you don't even have a table, and he goes, don't you put it on the floor. So he put it on the floor and we both laid down and he was laying down next to me. He was like, put the record here, here's the volume. Here's like you sample. Here's like your trunk eat just has ten seconds, two point five seconds.

Pretty simple.

You're gonna have to put that record on forty five, then slow it down here, then record get your tempo in there. And I have photographic memories. I was able to remember everything. That's crazy.

So you learned how to program a SB twelve hundred, land on the floor in the apartment and pair a month with doctor Dre.

I learned how to program an NPC by just watching slip.

Yeah.

I didn't read no manu or none of that shit.

That's how I kind of was just being around.

Just went and barked one one day and said, fock it, I don't FeelA, go for bro. That's how you teach yourself. Shit. I learned some shit and I didn't want to do that shit.

Yeah, Cooco, did you ever think you would axceieve or did you ever think you'd be the most featured nigga and hip hop most featured man of hip hop? Nah? I wantn't take it like that.

You know.

I had to work because they wouldn't play my name on the radio, you know, and it was kind of tough for me, you know what I mean. But you know, when Easy he passed, that was our lifeline to the game. And then all the assets got frozen and all that. So nine times out of tien and I go to the studio and for some reason, people might style and it just kept going and snowballing, and.

I just didn't stop.

Then when I looked up you know wife, he had said, uh, you know how many features?

You know?

I said, Nah, I didn't think about that, he said, I said, now I'm thinking about that, right, You know what I'm saying, Because you know, a list artists too, uh, major artists. I was always working, you know, the Chicanos, you know, doing a lot of stuff with Chicano brothers that you know, put food on the table, period, you know what I mean. So I enjoyed doing what I'm doing. Sometimes it was good, sometimes it wasn't. But I love music,

Make some snaps, but you got to love what you do.

It don't do it at all.

It's real love what I did.

And plus, you know, putting the food on the tables everything, you know what I'm saying. So I lucky years later and I'm glad those doors shut in my face because.

They didn't want to play cocaine on the radio. He said he died, but it was.

In me and not only I had to work. You don't work, you don't eat. I just kept working because the money was good, you know, and sometimes it wasn't, you know. But then again, you know, you know, I'm grateful for every moment that I was able to endure all these years and never did stop for the last thirty five years. So you know, I'm here years later, being the most future recording artists in the world, and it's cool. You know, it's something primarily to you know,

I never did talk that.

That's dope. You know what I was going to ask you, man, you did a record, man, because you will work with pretty much everybody. It ain't nobody that you haven't worked with. I heard you on the record with Puff right all people with all this stuff. He gonna puthrough.

Yeah.

I had to, man, I had to when you was in that studio, in the studio with Puff, when y'all did that record.

I went out there to Miami and uh at that time, Uh, that's the piece.

Donnie from six oh he was my manager.

So he ked it up, you know, did he had called kind of this? Ain't Diddy hung up? And then Donny call me back and said, yes did he? So Diddy has been a band of bars of all the low cocaine him and Notorious b I G or many moves you.

Know, Uh b I G got this stout from King T. So they loved Yeah.

True.

So when I went out there was all cool it was laid out, and I was like, oh, that's cool. So we went to his little small island and I ain't seen nothing next.

To That's what I was glassy man. It wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't. No pink cavey there. Evans was there.

She was married to somebody from comfort at that time.

Hold on faith had made it somebody from comfort.

So he was out there right and it was cool. So he said, we going to the studio later that night. So we get to the studio. He's jamming, playing all the new stuff, you know, doing this little dancing and ship.

So so you really be dancing the anime he was being.

He was being gone bust. Some moved, nigga, you walked to right down.

Hey.

It never doned shade his shoulder.

It never John dummy. You know.

He was being cool, like you cool, like you cool. Everybody they're cool. So I do my work and he's like impressed this ship. You know I did sometimes lonely. He said, we're going to this popping club tonight. I said, okay, so hop in the whip with in nice little car. The dude pull out a tray full of ecstasy. It's no bullshit, and you know everybody knows, so it's a story.

So I'm just telling the story. I said, nah, I want nothing.

So we go to the club and on the first floor, you know, it's cold, everybody chilling.

Second second floor is cold.

Everybody's chilling.

When we get up to the third floor, it's kind of different. It hit different. This do it over there doing something, little dude. Just do it over there doing something, that dude. And we are in a round circle with bottles and ship. I didn't get nothing to drink either. I looked at this niggas so cold, like this, hey, look at it. He like that shit.

I was like, motherfucker, if you don't get me, I had that look like Nickel, he's seen I wasn't with the program. So he dropped me off immediately and I ain't seen no more. Next day, I was on the airplane, got my chilopas and that was that. And I always

Yeah, you know what. I feel kind of vindicated because I was telling them about that. You know, they said he was getting something like pink cocaine, pink coco, pink Cabby from the girl Young Miami or whatever it was. Right, if I told you about the Hollywood party I went to when they came out there with the tray and they had some pink some pink poies, and I was like, man,

So what do you think is it?

That?

Is it?

The money to just make a motherfucker get weird?

Is it? What is it?

What is it?

I believe, man, y'all can elaborate if y'all want to. I believe that's already in them. But they don't have the opportunity to flex like that. Because when you're a regular dude, you can't do all that. You just can't order stuff. You just can't. Oh, I'm gonna go buy this. You know, I'm gonna do this, do that. But when you get that paper, it allows you to start experiencing stuff a little different.

To take a trip to the island, the little island, to go do a.

Beat man, you know what? Probably so. But I wouldn't have been one of none of the other stuff.

But the pop word of exstasy. Had Nigga hopped the route like by digging from colors years, No, I.

Wouldn't have been with that.

Look. Look it was cold until you know that situation. But I didn't judge you.

I got my motherfucking bread.

So to elaborate, he took you to the final level. He took you to the final level of that.

Upper room. He took you to the upper echelone, elne What.

Was he doing? Was he in that dancing?

Was he like?

I just want to know, Like we were sitting at the table, it was bottles, and I just felt uncomfortable.

I would have felt uncomfortable, you.

Know, you know, no disrespect against any communities. But I'm gonna pull ahead of sexual bro and I don't get down like that.

You know what I'm saying.

I've seen that and it made me uncomfortable. And I wasn't out there for that weirdow ship. I was out there to get my bread and handle my business. And I handled my business and be Yeah, years later we all seeing this shit happened, you know what I mean, And you know it's unfortunately sad, but a lot.

Of that shit. He's just one out of mini that's about to be exposed.

Oh yeah, gonna be surprised this year. Who's going You're gonna be surprised this year? Who's going to get exposed? Because you know, there's such thing as a guy, and there's such thing as paying the piper from Satan said, when Satan get done with you, asked gonna say come here.

He ain't the he ain't the only one. But I did hear from one of the homemianes. And I ain't gonna put his name out there, but he used to work for Sugar. He told me a long time ago. He said, man puff ten times worse than Shulgar. Ever it was, he said, so, y'all, he said, you ain't seen nothing though. He said, no, that dude ain't innocent like you're thinking of. He said he ain't going through no details with me, but he told me that. You know, Tony, it's a lot of stuff going on right now. I mean,

Like that's that's weird.

But but look it's not references has.

Been going back for a while. When you see these weird, rich old motherfuckers who couldn't get it up no more and they sitting the head and room while their wife you know, fucking nigga and then they be sitting in their head and run, you know, watching and shit or filming.

It's been going on for many moms, going on.

For a while.

So you know, like I said, I don't know what what a category or what criteria people be. You know, when like you say, a motherfucker just say enough ain't enough and they got taken ship to two different levels of whatever.

Take that, Take that, Take that again again.

That goes to my saying, uh, we got people in this world who just don't know how to be normal.

You get me.

Yeah, that's that's crazy.

Like you said, I don't know if like motherfucker was a heading nigga did some freaky ship when he was in school as a kid. Knows what the motherfucker used to do.

But the color stinger around it Mom's clothes, she was gone, who knows?

You get me, motherfucker. And and that's why I say it is that the money that makes them feel comfortable to where you know, I can do all this motherfucking secret eyes wide shut, got my whole community with their masquerade mask on and men all in the corner freaking on each other because I feel like I'm met the status to where I rubbed shoulders with certain people.

Yea upper excellent.

I'm untouchable.

And they've been that.

I'm gonna tell you that wasn't I believe anyone that's living the hedonistic lifestyle. Bro, it's always been on their mind, but they didn't have the chips to execute the game. Planing out the chips. It's anything, it's anything happening, right, you know, Me and you was having the conversation other day. Right, we ain't gonna put no you know, because you ain't even tell me no names. I ask no names. But you've had people proposition you. Yeah.

And also I've had dudes tell me stories. For an example, see that guy over there, Yeah, that guy paid me the fuck his wife.

Like reals, Yeah, and you did it? Yeah? What did he do?

He just sat there and watched. And it's been a trend for a while. Dudes, you know, have pretty much told me stories. Oh yeah, I was with this, why I was with this white and then after a while it almost seemed like a like a common thing, you know. And the reason why that thing really tripped me out is because I, like, I want to say this, I got out of the music industry in two thousand and two and I didn't come back till twenty seventeen, so

Oh wow, so all that shit catfishing, Yeah it's a dude. Yeah.

I was like, motherfucker, gonna pretend to be a bitch, yeah, and get the flirting with you and won't be wom Nigga'm gonna give you some pussy, nigga, nigga, send me some of them picks. And then you send the motherfucker some picks. And then they turned around the nigga, you may slide me some bread before I let everybody see.

I never understood that cat sending them picks out anyway. You feel what I'm saying, like, like, what is that? Well, let me say this, NNA catch you ask? Oh no you ain't no picks me out there nowhere.

So what happened was I found out later later on that those guys that were acting like females were really into that. They were really into dudes, but they didn't want to come out and say, you know, I'm a dude and can I see you naked? So let me pretend I'm a girl so I can get off and you sending me picks.

Normal. I'm glad to be normally the most because I'm listening to this stuff because you have to be horrible. We have to have I believe in God first and foremost man. And when you make a file before a God that you're gonna marry this woman, you can't treat it like a toss up dog. You can't treat it like a toss up. That's the mother of your kids, that's your wife, that's your soul mate. That's supposed to be any if anything, her messing with another dude's supposed

I think that like everybody said, I think it's been around for a minute.

It's just you know, the Internet exposes and put in on steroids, and.

I don't knock nobody, you know, I got to book my disclaimer out there, you know, I got I don't care what nobody do in the privacy of their bedroom. Whatever floats your boat, and if you and your husband cool with it, it ain't none of my business. But I just think it's a lot of weird stuff going on in me and glasses always getting the arguments because I tell them about certain people in the industry that you might look up to, and I say, broh, no, no,

I know a lowrider car show model from years ago, and I think I won't say her name, but I believe you know who she is.

I'll tell you guys after, you know, because he started laughing as soon as you said.

Well, she's been my friend for a long time. She was on I'm Not your puppet video, Okay, So I'll leave that clue she was dating this one boxer, a real wealthy boxer. I'll name him after as well. And she told me, she goes, she would always talk to me. She goes, oh, I went to this club with him, and I said, really, She goes said. We were sitting down at the booths. It was him and then another guy, and I dropped my purse. So when I've been down to my purse, I looked and he was holding hands

Network for sure. They're trying to network network there, Yeah, freak.

I met some record executives that wanted to sign some of the groups that I was working with.

You steal that.

Would tell me, oh, yeah, that rapper and that rapper they come over to sleep over all time.

I cooking breakfast That's what I'm saying. What's this thing about ron men spend the night on each other's house like their little kids. There's a lot of freaky shit going on in this motherfucking you.

Just silenced me in this episode. Man, you got me. Yeah, I'm just quiet as the church mouth with you.

Man. Were gonna be off of this, We're gonna be off. Yeah, yeah, what because you know Brian, he loved doing it. So I'm gonna repeat that for those who might never heard it. Do you think that they were overboard with the way they came at didn' nah.

It's deep than that.

It's that I'm telling you.

What's that doing?

Epstein? Jeffrey Epstein? Ye, awesome like that? Oh yeah, for sure. I heard he was the herd. Puffy is the plug man he.

Get when you get accusations, you know, because motherfuckers, you know, they don't want to go to the regular court route because you know they won't go to civil route. You're gonna be able to give me some bread. But motherfuckers is kicking. They peeping everything that's going on in the civil case. And now they reading ship like what this nigga said, this happened and what this and that whatever. So now they like, nigga, we need to jump in here and see.

What tell you the truth?

Being my boy Pat is talking, I think R Kelly is spilling the beans on everybody.

You know, he might be. He might be like, y'o wasn't there for me?

Yeah, it's like I said, it was trying.

It was.

It was a money It was a money play. You get me, mother, because motherfuckers who felt like if he paid her off, I don't seen a few things, so let me go. But see by the end, once he then gave out the first check, now he's feeling like, you know, all the mother niggas are small potatoes I got rid of, you know, paid off the big fish. Anybody else can say some shit. I'm just deny.

I be not you know what I think happened?

Man.

I think always tell people be careful how you treat people on the way up. Because see, it's one thing to fall off this table, it's a whole nother thing to fall off this roof. So the bigger you are, the harder your father is gonna be right. And I think he pissed somebody off, doog, he.

Put his tomgirl off, got her doing all that freaky deaky shit. You said, I don't get my bread falling.

That just hurt, you know, Luke said, I was hearing a homie Luke shut out to the own boy, Luther Campbell. He was talking about, you know, what was the brand he had? What was the the Saraq the people from sarak the company. You know, he was involved in a lawsuit with them or whatever, and he accused them of being racist. And some people ain't. You know, when you get to just dragons trying to drag certain people that got money, dog, they'll put you in your place real quick. Yeah,

That's that heading curtain. Class. You know, you go somewhere, it's the head and curtain, and you can't go back there because you on You ain't on the list, you ain't a member. That's that that's that class man.

Yeah, that's that's special club.

Across that rope man, behind that rope in that curtin Nigga's some wild shit going on.

You don't want to go behind the green door. I do want to go behind there. Still no, not at all. Man, I don't even want to people. I don't even want the people my head in for a minute, not for no amount of money, not for no type of fame or popularity.

And you had like two hundred you had like two three hundred million, you wouldn't be you wouldn't Now you're a small island. Oh No, running around with weird shit on, playing like you back in Africa just was just no.

I'm cool. I'm gonna tell you what's the dude's name? Because you had got into producer films and stuff, right, you got a producer because you produced the Royal documentary what's the Guy's Name? That produced the Will Smith, the Fresh Pencil Bellary, and a lot of these TV shows Benny Benny Medina. Now you always had to follow the certain trailer stuff. Every rapper that got cracking in the eighties that went broke and got a TV show, You

Like I say, it's like a motherfucker who start off smoking some stress weed and he keep excelling because it ain't never enough. And now you know, nigga shooting needles up and doing all kinds of weirdshit because the high just ain't a knock. You mean, I gotta get higher. That's them motherfuckers.

That's them, bro.

They get that some normal pussy or some normal.

Dick or whatever.

That ain't not I need a motherfucker running around here and a rabbit shoot nigga with his asshole out, and Nigga sniffing cocaine off his balls or some weird shit.

Oh, man, I'm gonna tell you one of the homies. Man, that's a bodyguard, right. I've been trying to get him to come on the show. Dog. He won't do it. Dog, I ain't even gonna say his name. Put him out there. He told me, Man, he was working and I can't say the names of the people because he gonna get the trip. Mike, Still, you talking too much. But he still he was working for this one individual that's a

Man, that's Joe, That's that. That that that that broke that Kurt. You want to go behind there? Man, stay on this side. Man, be no, It's okay to be normal.

It's okay. And I'm cool being an average vanilla motherfucker. I'm cool. I'm cool with being average. So Tony, you and Crawt is doing your thing. You produced that old album, you and.

Him boss, except two songs quick that the other two. Yeah, but that's how it started. Now keep in mind, and I do want to say this because I was just a mixtape guy. I didn't know anything about production, absolutely nothing. So when we did I'm Not your Puppet. That was Steve's idea, he said, told lit's do an original song to put on a mixtape for a high sea. I didn't know anything about production. I had a Newmark mixture that had a sampler, so I just sampled the bar.

The remember Stewart.

Yeah.

So so they come to the Rodium and they pretty much. They show Steve the tape and he goes, I believe so yeah. So he says, who did this tape? And Steve said he did any pointed at me and we always thought it was people gonna bust us for selling boot legs.

So he didn't want to do it.

This ship yes, And then I said, yeah, but he sells them, you know. So he said no, No, I'm looking for that guy right here. He says, Hi, see because I named the tape after him, and he goes, I'm looking for him. We just opened up a new record label and we're looking to sign him.

You know.

This got dropped into my lap at the office. So I said, well I could take you to So we went, and the weirdest part, Bro, we didn't hear from that dude's ass from his ask for like six months.

Bro.

By that time, my mom had kicked me out. I was like curb serving. I was just a nickel and diamond bro. So she found a little dope I had with little money out and she kicked me out. I had a tank top, I had a broken wrist, some green Ben Davis is, some Nike Cortes, and I was just staying from house to house. Then one of my homeboys hits me up and he goes say, hey, Steve, call me. He's in Florida and he wants to talk to you tonight. He's in a call me about an hour.

Hollywood.

The Records wants to meet us on Monday, and I was like for what. It wanted to give us a record deal. A record deal. He was member that guy that came to the Swami and I go, yeah, that guy wants to give us a record deal. And I was like okay, what, like does that involve money? And he was like yeah, they want to give us forty thousand for a single and then a hundred thousand for the album. Mister single sells good. So I was like, all right then, but I don't have a ride over it.

Wow, that's how I usually happening. You know, I wanted to ask you, did y'all ever go back and do that puppet y'all obviously did the I'm your Puppet record over again? Yes? Because you got different skills now at this point, so I'm pretty sure you want to go clean that motherfuck up.

You know.

You know what The reason why we never did because it was clean in the very beginning.

Limit to your why so that's it. Not to get cut you off. But that's the same record. That's the same record. That's crazy, man.

The reason why because we took it and I told Donovan, Uh, I go, Bro, I don't know how to sample this.

This a four bar loop. I'm your puppet.

So if you remember he had the sp told keyboard, remember that was on the couch, and he goes, I'll just sample it on here. So he sampled a full four bar and he just threw it on the two inch and he just kept repeating it. He was already working on comput he had a computer back then in the eighties, and he sampled it and uh, you know,

First they released a.

Single of a puppet, and then he took it off, and then they released a MAXI single. Then he took it off, and we were traveling, Bro, traveling on a promotional tour, you know, uh, performing our songs, and none of our the record stores had our music.

Bro, that's crazy us think when that's happened.

That happened, That happened a few times. Yeah, you go to record stores and they wouldn't have your product or whatever. Just bad marketing promotions.

Man, piss some motherfucker off. So obviously y'all doing your job, though.

Yes, the good thing is that we took a camcorder and we would walk in that store and say, do you have the High Seat three Tree tony eight album? Who's that?

Everywhere?

A land up, Philadelphia, Detroit, everywhere. So we would come back giving the videotapes and then it would tell us what was the name of those stores so we can make sure they get them. I'm like, what the fuck? We had a weel distribution and those record stores didn't even have it.

Yeah, they're not putting them records out there. Yeah, just just the moms and pops is not order of them because they don't know shit about them. And then the motherfucking consumers, we don't know nothing about no local rouge from you know, you went through the eight sometimes, even as big as your records was, sometimes I would go to you know, maybe later on in my career, I would go to record stores and they wouldn't have product.

You know, I will say this, I never met eight back then, but I was always a big fan because my favorite.

Song today is still this is Compton.

When when that be kicked into.

That ship, that'd be kicked in.

Fuck.

I used to always cut that, cut it up. But when me and Crawford started traveling everywhere, we used to go, Oh, it was here last week. Damn I missed him. It was here last week. Oh, as a matter of fact, you were. We were there the week after. It was in Houston, Texas at a place called the Palladium. Yeah, and I still have our fly. I keep everything wrong and everywhere.

We went massive promo tours. Man Epic used to send me all over the country on a promo tour. I hated that ship.

Yeah, I used to ask a slip about.

You to promote the record, but we didn't benefit from the ship. That's from Red was concerned shitiggas all over the country promote it's selling records. That motherfucker's lied up outside to get all the grass. Nigga, you get home, nigga, you broke as a motherfucking life. Damn nigga record selling where's the bread? This is that publisher? Shit, wasn't Joe good man?

I mean, bitch you dollars hundred dollars per diam.

Did you go through the same shit, gogo?

Yeah, and I'm pretty sure we'll make record out back then belonging to a Sony or whatever.

Nigga.

You go on the road, you being just moving around, Nigga, you get home, record all over the place, videos out and nigga royalty check what it.

Wasn't no what because the costs ate up all that. Man.

They started spitting out the expended just where you owe this or this? And then the check looked like nigga five dollars.

We had a conversation about you last week was two hours, nigga. That cost Yeah, that costs money.

Everybody else gets paid because you gotta remember they charged and y'all back out, y'all little percentage that shall it might be making six seven dollars over here, but no, that's that's ours right here.

You ain't recruiting.

We had to mail that contract over to your lawyer's office. Yeah, man, that cost you for the stamps. This shit all right, man. Every time we had a courier when we was negotiating the deal and the courier was taking the contract back and forth.

We charged for that.

Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy as a motherfucker.

Oh, you came up here and had a meeting and had a meal and some lunch and all that shit.

Ten thousand dollars we charged you for that shit? Ten thousand? Do they eating good off of y'all? So y'all do this one album? Man? It's going good? Yeah? Why didn't you and Crawford? I always wanted to ask you this? And I never asked because you know, I see is a good friend of mine. I'm pretty sure you know that. Yes, why didn't y'all keep shit going? Man?

Okay, you wanted the truth? You women to lie to you.

I want the truth, man, This is the truth. We deal in the truth.

Okay.

I only share this one other time. I did two interviews with Sore and Baker, and on the second one I expressed this. Now it's all love with me and Crawford today, okay, But back then, I kind of want to blame it on that. Maybe he was young, you know, because he was young when he wrote a lot of those songs.

He was sixteen years old.

And so I was notified by A and R, by a lady named Rachel Matthews, and she hit me up and told me, hey, for this second album, we're gonna need you to step to the side. And I said, why what happened? And he goes, well, and she now Crawford denied it. Okay, but she goes, well, he doesn't want you to be a part of this record anymore.

You know.

Now we were signed as artists, we weren't signed as a group. So and I said, okay, so what do you want me to do? She goes, I'll give you some remixes to make. They had just signed Queen. So I was doing remixes, you know, for Queen and other stuff, and you know, I felt I felt fucked up. I'll be honest you because because when I met him, I met him at the Swamp Me.

So y'all got the deal together. Yes, y'all signed the Hollywood record deal together.

Yes, yes.

And what happened was, you know, we met at the swan Me. I put him on the mixtapes, you know, and that's what got his name out there. We ended up getting signed because of that production that I did on those mixtapes. And then to be told later on, you know, he doesn't want you on this record, you know. So I was like, all right, cool then Buck, I got us here and now I'm getting the.

Boot, you know.

So I was like, all right, cool whatever Crosse said. He didn't say that, right, He told me he didn't say that. Okay, what me knowing Croft and this ain't me the femling you but I think he'd have probably told you that hisself. Like Cross ain't a foul dude, like right now, I don't think he is. But I will say this that during that time, he never even talked to me. As a matter of fact, they give him.

Like a record uh he did half He had like maybe like twelve songs, and they give him like a two hundred and forty thousand dollars like.

Budget.

So Rachel Matthews calls me and tells me, maybe like months later, she said, hey, listen, he's turned into all his record and we're just not feeling it. We're actually you know, giving him advance on royalties now because he wasted all the money. So we want you to come back in and produce, you know.

Some songs.

So I said, you're gonna have to talk to my manager Whichell Steve at the time, because I didn't want to deal with her and because she's the one that told me the so called bad news, you know. So Steve goes, what do you want? And I said, I want for six songs. I want sixty thousand dollars and I want to sell all my publishing and I want another sixty thousand. And he said, okay, well they didn't give me sixty for publishing. They just give me thirty. So I made a good chunk of chains. I produced

And that's gonna tell you what It was me being in the business and I would see them people in them offices get these bright ideas because see they don't know the connection that we have with the people we making music with, right, but they can see a vision and they think they overthink shit when it comes to marketing, right. I guarantee you that the chick that was delivering you the messages was the main one telling him that you should probably be by yourself, and pretty much told him, hey,

No, you know what. And I believe that I don't have nothing against Carper today, but that's just what happened then.

Because I think if y'all, honestly, bro, I think if you all because y'all had something because we went out to Japan, me and Kraft and when he performed like he performed that whole album. Yeah, those people was an audience singing this ship like that. They don't speak to him this word for word, yeah, word for word, and

I do believe that we had so many things going our way, Like, for an example, our first video looked like a damn fucking Godzilla movie. We filmed that shit at the Rodeo Swami and we had an Australian guy named Ian Fletcher come in. He did Quick Born and Raising Compton a video, so I think Crawford thought it was a good idea, get the same guy. This guy

Why because I was stupid. You was on that shit. You was young. I still think about music shit and mad at the world, like fuck that I'm.

Not going well like Steve, he had got me ten day tour in Germany, another ten days in Australia, Canada and Japan to go DJ by myself, like this was separate from high seat. They wanted me to go on a DJ tour and I'll be honest you man, I said, I'm the next one. How long is the flight? Oh,

I was the same way. My father was like let's go over seas, and I'd be like that shit, I'd be dreading it, but then I just pushed myself to do it. Fuck it because like you said, you never knowing that opportunity gonna come back around again. As much as I hate, you know, traveling and doing all that shit, fuck it. I just came back from Europe. I was over there for two weeks. No man, I started going to Europe, and I think, like ninety four, man.

The reception over there is just so much more grand than in hers. Over if you'd have went, dudes, you would have been you wouldn't have regretted that you would have had the time in your life.

Yeah, I regretted I'm being in that moomy. He called me, goes, how come we didn't show up? And I was like, honestly, bo, can we just like do it tomorrow? And he was like, no, We're not gonna do it tomorrow. You know what's seen I was sup supposed to get. It was a small scene. You just had a dude here not too long ago.

That was supposed to be me Mexican and way picked the car up.

Press that part right. That had been for you man. That had been a crazy movie man, Yeah, that would have been crazy.

Bro.

Let me tell you one thing. If they watch d KK, I love you guys, quick, I love you guys. Crap, I love you guys.

That were all pissed at Albert and Allen because they never got a call for that for a part, but they did. Albert Allen did tell them I'm gonna get you a part in the movies, and they never got their script. So they were man for a long time because I got mine.

And they never got it. No, they never did. You never got it. So cool. I want to ask you this though, you being independent you know right now, you know, running your program the way you do, because the way you do your stuff, I actually want to holler at you about, you know, trying to kind of get in the blueprint of that, because that's where I think everything should be getting right right.

Do you.

Think the major label is obsolete right now?

Absolutely? You know this is the reign that they're independent.

You know, point zeril five versus getting nineteen twenty dollars to your own personal website is a big difference.

I mean, that's just my opinion, you know what I mean, maybe I'm wrong.

It is because you got people that don't pick your concept. You know, I heard Kanye on the giving one of his rants. I see my CDs on my website and I made two million dollars already, and I was thinking, I said, man, that shits like the same shit Coco been doing for the past.

For seventeen years.

Friends, you know, you got true loyal fans and people who really enjoy good music. They'll buy your CD yeah, because.

You don't sew, you don't saw quite. If you see these eight, definitely do the thing. And I think that's the way. I think that's the way to go. Now, man, Is there any way? Man? And I'm gonna try to facilitate this, you know me, I'm the manager. There ain't a manager always trying to hook something up, right. I think if you and high Sea got together and did the album today, I think it would sell. Bro. I think I knew it would. Bro.

I would love to Man and Crawford, if you're listening, Bro, I would love to. We had to talk about this about three years ago. I had brought it up to him and he goes, who's gonna produce it? And I said, I will, you know, and he goes, well, I want some production too, And I said, okay, but I am going to be calling the shots on this record, but if we do it, I'm producing it, you know. And he was like, okay, well we'll see. We never got around to it, and then when it came around to

You know that'll be good man, gain me, y'all. It's just certain groups, like it's dope seeing Cocaine with a bud of law when y'all all together. You feel what I mean. It was dope seeing you and Sugar Free through that project because I had been waiting. That was like a mythical album. I've been waiting for that forever for y'all to do something. You know, it's dope seeing you I see together. It's dope seeing you with seeing up like when you and she are doing y'all shit

What is that?

And when I saw y'all, it was just so unique because you had never seen a black dude what a Mexican do? And then for the launches, I thought, I ain't gonna lie. I thought Crawl was Mexican half everybody did. Everybody did, so uh.

We used to do meet and greets or like in stores and girls like we would be like San Diego, all Mensican girls, So you're Mexican And he was like, no, are you half?

No? They were like, well, what are you? I'm black?

He had a long ass. Jerry Curl Wet Juicy Jerry Curl and I'm like, I don't know when they get up there, you're Medsican. But what it was on a couple of songs he said some Spanish words and he said, I'm really good, you know, like he said, ching got to Madre the way he's supposed to say it, And everybody thought, for some reason, whenever he was whenever he would say that, the crowd would go crazy. So when

So everywhere we.

Went, the promoter wanted one of us to headline. And there was always one guy that had a problem with Know.

Who the fuck that is. I ain't even gonna say his name, but y'all know who that was already.

Yeah, he goes, I'm not even going I'm not even gonna rap. Then they want to see you, and I'm.

Like, okay, I already know where that is. Yeah, come on with this, man. I always wanted to ask you this cocaine. I know you're not gonna answer, man. I know you're not going to answer it, man, but I'm gonna ask you. Ain't even wake it. That's my job. When you were with Ruthless Records, right, and the whole thing was going down with the Easy, Right, you know, the whole thing, the whole war with death Row and all that stuff, right, and we might have went over

I ain't gonna answer that. I mean, rap is dark period. Just put it like that. So basically all the gangster ship.

Is it is dark because people had this and I.

Respectfully said it, Oh.

No, because I'm just saying it's to lead up to something. There's always been this thing that should just went over there and tore a ship up. They just did that. I don't think Easy had a lot of weight behind him, and he wasn't no punk, not at all.

I mean the n w A movie, don't get depict him him driving down the street, you know, I mean that's that.

No, Yeah, that kind of pissed me off.

Eric had guz, he had bazookas.

You know.

Eric was a gangster, He was a gaster.

He had some ship behind him. What you would expect here what he wasn't playing.

And that's what I gotta tell niggas. This ship all the day. Niggas was hood niggas before they was rapping. Man, that rap ship was just just came along, just like nigga. I'm on the corner selling dope. Nigga'm gonna flip these motherfucking records and make me some money. But nigga, I've always been from Timton. It was a gang banged nigga. That shit was always present.

And I wanted to ask you that broke because I know how political shit is. But all that stuff, you know, they show him in the movie like should it just come? They just smashed on them, And I'm like, man, I don't know if that happened necessarily just like that.

I mean, how do they know that happens by it hearing nine? It's it's it's much more.

To the poet than me died.

When it comes to the Rupeless story, you know, you can't just tell it in one movie. It has to be twelve series. You know, That's how deep it was. And Eric was connected.

You know.

You know a lot of people talk about Jerry Hiller. He was an important part of Rupeless, like it or not, because it was the Jewish lag and you know, Jews run the game. You know. Now it's independent and no matter what color are, you can do your thing. But you know, he you know, Jerry Heller was a significant part of Easy to Get Down, you know what I mean.

Part of the Rubless tree. Like him or not, Jerry Heller, he was man.

Actually, you know what, I don't think he get the credit he ever deserved, because of course everybody wants to paint the picture that you know, he came in and took all the ends, which may have been true, may not have been true. I don't know, you know what I mean. But that's the big thing when you think about Jerry Hiller. When people hear Jerry Hiller's name, they always want to say, well, he the one that did

You know, this is the music industry. It's a corrupt business. It just started off. Corruption started off mob, you know what I mean. So there were times where you know, mob would come in and double dip, steal records and then sell the records back to the actual company. It was a lot of twisted shit going on. Artists wasn't getting paid correctly. It was only needled in the haystacks

Period.

Yeah.

No, so we don't have no direction of motherfucking music. Motherfucking you know, like niggas get a little bud hurt when I say we was all fucking techno records and shit, you know, yeah.

That was the Macola days too.

I mean we was West Coast music was techno like a motherfucker.

Egyptian lover, and you.

We got our dose of rap hip hop from the East Coast. Listen, you know, getting them East Coast records and shit is how I got turned out. But it still wasn't uh representation of what we were doing.

You do what the Ironic Party is, brother, and not to cut you off. The ironic party is is that you know, East Coast was telling us, man, y'all did this, but wait a minute, when we heard Scotland Rode, Yeah, when we heard even the Run DMC, Justice, Koozi Rap Rock, Kim School he d we was banging. Yeah, we were banging off day music. And then ironically it's the tables turn. Now we affect the whole culture. You see people low riding, crips, bloods out there. So it was in exchange.

You know.

It started out in New York, but then we took it over here and with the exception what you know, Easy he did, we it sprouted our worldwide because you had groups like yourself, King T of course, Mixed Master Spade, Toddy T and all those.

I got my first dose of experience of a hood shit from listening to Todd Spade and all the mixtape and walking.

Oh absolutely, you know.

So that was my first experience of of our our transition into hip hop. Easy showed that nigga that we could be a run DMC or LL core. You getting as Easy started putting out those records, niggas was only pushing on cassette tapes, right, right, Easy went out and said, fuck that, I'm gonna go talk about you know, niggas in the neighborhood, and I'm gonna put a record out. We didn't know that was possible. Everything was East Coast, you get me. You knew niggas was making rap records.

Oh absolutely come out at night and ship like that.

So that was my first like, damn niggas is busting about what's going on in the neighborhood. When Easy came out, it was like a you go poke your chest out because this nigga got an actual record, right. I know about nixtapes and consent tapes and shit because I got a gang government at the house in my in my boombox.

But this nigga actually put a motherfucking record out.

So that made you start thinking.

Shit and nice tea too, of course, right, you know what, but just look at what they lay the foundation for it.

Because when you talk about cities, when you talk about like cities that produce good hip hop, right, Compton, California is in that conversation right now, And that was the roundwork that was laid you know way back then they ate from you to where like it seemed like every time Kendrick dropping verse, every time Dot drop a verse, it's like he shaked the whole universe.

Up right right.

You can tell you know me knowing them, I know he just jabbing right now. That's the cold thing about it. He just jabbing. He waiting for the response. We can come on and come with the bean. You feel what I'm saying because I know that kid man so Compton just like Southern California as a whole, You can't you know this ain't me no sleeping on the Bay or nothing like that, but Southern California as a whole, there's

I'm trying to tell you, Hey, I'm gonna have to get on this road, gentlemen, and I appreciate y'all having me because I got to get up extremely area.

Well we could walk out the door together. Man, Let's talk about let's talk about this new project.

Well, this is called The Funking the Benches of Doctor Kukenstein.

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