"Puff and Pass" with Afroman

Bix Fields from the streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of My Heart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you download the I Heart Happen. Subscribe to The Gangster Chronicles for my Apple users, hit the Purple Michael your front screen, Subscribe to Against the Chronicles and leave a start rating the comment. We'd like to welcome to everyone to another episode the Gangster Chronicles Podcast.

Is your boy, Big Steel Sill and the day we have the future president of the United States that's gonna legalize weed across the great lands of the USA. He's gonna legalize marijuana he's gonna have a platform. He's gonna get brothers out of prison. We're gonna stop giving all the bread to these foreign countries and gonna start spending it here. None of the than Mr Afroman. God. Yeah, and you know why, man, what's going on with you? Man? Man? Everything? Everything? Man?

You know, I was looking the other week, man, right, and I saw all this stuff online, Like you know, if everybody's talk about Afroman running for president? Right, So I saw the platform. Man, your platform sound better than every motherfucker don president. You're not a states in the last thirty years, man. You know what I'm saying. Um, I got that, I got that mandatory black agenda in my mind. You know, Uh, I got reparations for slavery

and real police reform, you know what I'm saying. So like, uh, you know, like if a cop has any ties to like, you know, white supremacy r you know what I'm saying. I don't think anybodiased person should be a police officer, not even not even hommies. You know what I'm saying. For sure, they might you know, they pull you know, they got a chip on their shoulder by something, and then you know and ain't gonna be fair. So uh,

I'm gonna I'm gonna put that in place. If I ever see them with a Confederate flag or or they tied to some kind of white supremacist group. They don't serve and protect me and then serve and protect you know, the full population of the mayor. So I don't want him on the force. And then you know, if you're a good cop and you ain't telling on a bad cop, for as uncle sergery just as bad as the bad cop, because you ain't saying nothing. So you clean the house

and everybody. Oh yeah, man, because you know, the police have a lot of power, and they got access to our children, they got access to our loved ones. Uh, you know, we need to know how to act. But you know it ought to be something in place to make them obey the law they represent. Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure what made you decide up and run for president? Because you know what, at first, maybe fifteen years ago, out and said, man, it's gonna be hard.

I don't know, man, But then Trump sucked around, and when that motherfucker that changed the game. Yeah, because I didn't think he was gonna win either. I don't think nobody thought that motherfucker's gonna win. Man, I'm gonna tell you something. Maybe motherfucker' was just tired of the same old ship, you know, probably feeling like, you know, it's just the motherfucker. You know, he wouldn't know politician the niggas was about money and business and ship. So and

then you know he was with that white agenda. So you know, a lot of people put him in office because you know, they knew he was gonna push that all white agenda. M yeah, man, it ain't the man, it's the party, and it's the policies exactly. You know what I'm I can put the policies up. I can put a cartoon up there, like this cartoon is gonna

give you your gun rights. He's gonna build that wall where everybody has to is with that carton daughter, you know what, because that's that's you know, it's it's the policies. So uh, I'm gonna yell out all the policies I feel right, and uh, you know, you know, you never know how many people might agree with me. Man, It's it's always gonna be people to agree with, you know what I'm saying, especially for our side dealing from what the it we've had to deal with as far as

being black in America so to speak. So but when it comes to you know, pushing our agenda's like you said, it's still motherfucking states who haven't don't want to legalize marijuana, which is the dumbest shipped off you know on the planet. Right now. Another thing, Uh, I think we need a you know, you have the Democrat in the Republican Party. We need a black party, you know, Uh like remember

racings for slavery. Uh, you know, real police form. You know, I'm thinking about, uh, the studying and discussing a person not even being able to patrol a neighborhood less they from that neighborhood like they they they're gonna be no mistaken identities. You know. That's Mrs Parker's son, which employees more people you know, from the community doing police, working police. Yeah,

there's there's a black agenda. You know. Those are my two I don't like, uh, asset forfeitsure for as uncle ser that's just robbery, you know what I'm causing put me on a few times just oh this is drug money and just took my rap money, you know, what I'm saying, uh and this, that and the other. No more asset forfitsure. You know, everything that I feel is wrong with the police system, everything that we've experienced that we don't want our sons and in the younger generation

to experience that, everything that's wrong. You know, I get in that position. I'm gonna try to fix it. It's been a whole lot of ship. Yeah. So, but we need a black political party. I think I've seen one. It said, our Black Party. I don't know, just okay, you know, but I gotta If it ain't one invented already, we need to invent one. We need to put one together, you know what I mean. You know, I probably won't try to get too fancy with the title. You know,

it ain't no, it ain't no playing or nothing. White people can be in the Black Political Party. If you got something to contribute to the benefit of black people in America under the circumstances we haven't been under, then you know, come on joining the party. You know, you know certain things need to be done to make stuff right. Come on in and help contribute for sure. For sure. You know what I have been seeing lately, it's dead hip hop is a very powerful medium, everybody you know,

and I think it always goes back and forth. A country for the number one music in the world, number one genre in the world, because country and rap ain't too far off. It's pretty much the same stuff. If you listen to a country song they're talking about the same thing is that they're talking about. They truck some bitches and alcohol. You know, we wrap you know, money, we bitches. You know, it's the same ship, right, talk

about the same thing. So I think definitely, Man, because you got the hell of a fan base, and that's what we go go through. I don't know if you remember, but this actual facility, right it were partnered up with a cat named big A. They said, a spotting Compton called Underworld Records, right, And I remember way back, this is when I was a young nick. I still had a hairline back then. Man, you know, um he had

told me, Man, because men was messed around. I had a record store in pair of mount He was like, Man, you gotta get on this, man, it's a cat from my here from Palm deal man afro Man and I always asked. We used to bump the tape, right, We used to bump the tape in the store down and I was like, man, I just asked, man, we're Afro man that he said, Still he cut the throw off because he said he want to get the job. He said, one time you're talking about cutting the froe off. And

then he told me you moved out of town. And next thing, you know, like some years go by later, you got the biggest motherfucking record in the world. Let's talk about that journey, Like what happened between you coming from my HEAs, I don't know you really from the hood. You're really from the hood, you know what I'm saying. So what happened from that point man? Where he was running around slinging the black and white tapes? It was a black and white album because ready to you going

out of the Mississippi is somewhere and you're just blowing up. Man. I was, you know, after I dropped out of Ponder in high school, I was on my own. Uh, I had have you know, having me. I was doing all right. I was slanging, I was, I was I was maintaining. I had me a house in Compton and the rent was like a hundred dollars a month, and like I'm working at the Airport of Slanging c d S. And

I got a girl. She's supposed to be going half with me on the bill, you know, but right around the twenty and we always get into that that that that coincidental fight. Yeah, and then she goes running back to her daddy house and then you know, I get here with the bills. My dad called me up. My dad had left California and he was he got some property in Mississippi and he was like, he bought this house way back before he brought us to South Central.

He bought a house down there. And he was like, Joseph, he said, you're out there. He was like, the cost of living in California is really high. He was like, you don't really know because you was born there and you ain't been nowhere to compare. And he was just like, he was like, minimum ways in Mississippi is the same

amount of minimum ways of California cost that. He was like, my mortgage on my house is a hundred and fifty dollars a month, and he was like, your rent is not hunter And he just talked to me until he just talked to me in the coming down there. He he was like, you're gonna have more money. Blah blah blah if you just come to Mississippi, were part of Mississippi Hattiesburg. Um, then I realized that l A is

a entertainment warehouse. L A entertains the world. You know, I was born here, you know, you know you see people coming out of New York, and but I just I didn't understand, like how much entertainment competition is here. Ye'll be out to try and sell my CD. I pull out my CD to dude, I'm trying to slang into pool out his you know what I'm saying here, I want to swap and here's don't be as dope as behind. You know, I got this show into the

state no money in a white CD. So but when I went out of town, Uh, there's more consumers than entertainers. People didn't want to entertain. They wanted to be entertained, so they and then they the cost of living was lower, so they had more play money. They had more money to take chances with my CDs as opposed to a l A cat you know, giving me some smooth line, I'm cool, all we you know whatever, you know what

I'm saying. Um, it was just you know, the like I said, it was l A entertain the world, so demand was out outside the state of California. That's what I didn't know. But when I got out there, you know, I was I was starting to get my tapes off way better, saving money, saving money with the cost of living, more people, spending with the with my CDs and everything, you know. Yeah, but I came back to l A. I realized l A is where you come after you make it. We were born here, so you know, we're

trying to make it out of here. But what you need to do is get up out of l A, take a lap around the country, and they come back and pick your house. You know, I want to, you know, but yeah, this is where you come after. It's the home of the stars. But you don't need to be here to your a star or so, you know, because this is hard to make it. So you still hand in hand with it when you went out to Mississippi initially or did you look up with a distributor? Uh? Both.

I was hand in hand, um, I was. I was at the Trump I was I was doing everything one man because I only knew how to do so much. I knew how to wrap, you know, to make the beats. I knew how to press up to tape, but I didn't know how to get it in stores. I knew how to do the consignment thing, but I didn't know how to really get it, get it going on across the countries and having in every store. So that was

the next level for me. That's the record deal, that's what that was the next thing I needed, you know what I'm saying. But I meant a dude down there that had his own record label, and uh, you know, he helped me get my CDs distributed in stores like to the point where it may not be sitting on the shelf, but if they pick up the phone, they had access to it. And so so people went in their holiday your affroma affrima hey man, Okay. Then next to you know, boom, but you know word of mouth

and demand. Well it was on the show down there, and then you know, spreading getting bigger and bigger. I'm getting bigg and bigger now because I got hot took off, man, because you have been grinding for a while. You know what I'm saying. You've been in the ground. It wasn't the overnight success stuff. You know, he was on your grind when that record hit. Man, where did you hear that first? Like, like, what was you hearing the commotion

about it? Yeah? Man, man, I'm gonna tell you. So it was in Hattisbury, right, and like, uh I made it, you know what I'm saying. Uh, Chats would come by my house and smoke weed, and then I played my tapes for him while we were smoking, because usually I can sell them a few CDs while we're smoking, so you know, I'm doubling up. You know, they're getting a little bug and so um, I was planning for cats.

They was liking it. Then they come on and they were like, yeah, let me get let me get this, let me get a T shirt, let me get three of them CDs. They was, They was making runs for other people, you know, throwing their little five ten dollars on their taxing them. You know what I'm saying. Sometimes the same dude will come back to my house still wants to so I know he was getting up for other people, and then uh, I couldn't find no where

to perform, you know what I'm saying. Like, and it was just one of them, one of the old black clubs down in the hood and Hadisburg. The black people don't even go to you know what I'm saying, like one of them old man clubs. And I talked to him into letting me singing there. I was like, you know, I was like, I just need I said, I gotta crowd. I just need somewhere for him to come. He's hard. They can't come in here. You can get them back here, all right. So I put my flies all over had

his bird. I went crazy. Oh and uh, I had because I got hot. And it was in the back these these bars was in the back of the get up. And man, I remember I was wrapping something and I remember four white girls from US m blood here. It was like slow motion. They was holding the hand. Their hair was in the wind, just blowing. They ran up to the front his name, I think. So I stopped my little little CD player. I stopped it and I put it on the number that I had the instrumental

because I hid and I started seeing it. They got on their cell phones and it seems going out, they start walking around the place, start giving up the address. Man. People just start pulling in that place. Trucks all kind of junk. Man. You know what I'm saying, and I just saying like that that that song was a game changer, like people like my flow, but it couldn't pull them like that. But that song made then this is in Mississippi and white people didn't come back there. You know,

they was back there because you. And that's one thing I've noticed with your crowds. You got a real diverse audience. Man, It's like the white women love you. Don't white folks

love you? Is it difficult to maintain that type of audience? No? No, uh if people if if people like you and they can relate to you, you got them like like you know, being from the hood and knowing of backgrounds with that and knowing, you know, dealing with people expect us to be certain ways as fucking rappers, you know what I'm saying, And don't think we should have another side to us, like everybody come from l a gotta beat them type

of niggas. You feel me? So, you know when you was doing your music, did you ever feel like you know what I'm saying, or when you was right now, I get high. How did you think people would take that? Did you think it would be like one of those or did you think it would just relate to the to the to the niggas, so to speak. I thought the world would like it because I was seeing the world smoke weed, okay, And so if you can, if you can relate to what I'm doing, then you could

you could feel what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. If I go, if I talk about love riding, the dude over here with the truck, he might like to be to something, but he might not. You know, I don't know, but a little rider gonna yeah, yeah, I see saw and you know, you know, but yeah, that's a weed smoking. I really thought we was gonna get legal because too many smart people did it. People that were smarter than cops was doing weed. Like it would

be doctors like Joseph. Look, this is a cocaine. But if you screw this top off. You know, there's just too many smart, innovative people. I was like, and then you know, so I was I was seeing I'm seeing different people smoke. But so you know, I'm I'm looking for something to do. Like I'm a rapper. You want to write about something that that's people are gonna buy and they're gonna like, you know, So I was writing about everything, and I was like, man, you know what

if I did me a little simple weed song? Man, everybody smoke weed and something they can relate to, you know, getting high, having a good time, forgetting to do something important. There's a whole bunch of people like that. So you didn't pick up. You didn't pick it up because motherfucker's love getting high. Everybody forgetting the ship like a mother

for getting ship like a motherfucker. I remember I was at the mall, man I forgot Wild Park and I was just walking around the motherfucking thing and come to find out I was. I had to have my wife come there and get me and everything is. I was like, man, I don't know where the car is that with that weed, with that weed, so you're picking up your bus the buzzs coming up. When did the record label start calling um?

Like a year later? Like uh I was? I was putting it down in two thousands, Like uh I was. I was a balling rapper without a record deal. You know what I'm saying. I became a legitimate rapper. I was working at the Chicken place and I went to this uh this dude invited me to this farm and I got on top of this picnic table and I did I compella the song I got called Crazy Rap, I'm my code forty five two daggs and everybody laughed and everybody bought a CD. I had like two other CDs,

so I made two thousand dollars and one night. Now I'm stripping because I worked on a week fifty bucks, so I'm like boo. And then from that party, people is telling me, next weekend, can you come into my house. We're having to get together and we won't fifty CDs. Johnny won't twenty man man. So I don't even have to work no more. Because I'm looking at my little calendar and it's full of these little mini parties, you know what I'm saying. And I hadn't. I hadn't loaded

up to buy like six months. I'm giving out my my my car to everybody, my numbers on my CDs, and I'm talking to people. I'm loading on my calendar, and uh, I was on my way to Bay St. Louis. I got this eighty three coup de fille and I finally got the doors. I got to paying it, I got my interior done. I didn't have Switchers. But I had the interior done, and I had Datan's and I finally had a straight car, and I was riding across

the bridge and Bay St. Louis. That's when it hit me that I was paying my bills with rapper money. I was surviving as a rapper. I didn't have a job. I was I had six months worth the parties booked up. I was living on rap music. I was officially a rapper. You know, you know where you're paying bills with it? So h that was all the two thousand, two thousand.

I was just blown up in Mississippi, all over MISSIPI, getting over into Alabama, popping up into Tennessee, and then uh this this, this book and agent wanted to start. I never had a book and agent. I just walked to like, can I wrap into your spot? Dude, I get fifty bucks, you come wrapping my house next week. Then I meet somebody at the fifty buck party that say I get you two hundred if you come next week to miles And every week he got higher and higher.

One dude gave me six hundred bucks to rap on the back of his flat bed truck. That's the job, right, there. Yeah, it was a you're doing something you like to do, so fucking and you know it was just way better than a hundred fifty a week, you know, picking the chickens because that was like that was you know, you

don't have to go back there. So he was expected like grabbing the chickens butter nick and breaking the next and ship you know, hang the treating the little hangers, you know down Southwark, my people from Gulfport, Mississippi, my my grandfather, you know, how to pig for him. So hate going down. It was number mud and just wet shit everywhere. I hated that ship. Man. Man, I liked my trips. Some people house they got grass out front. You man, you're talking about just mud and just just

wet mud just everywhere. Man, fucking pigs and ship. All I knows when I went to Mississippi, because you remember our parents in the hood, we never flew nowhere. We always got in the car and drove every motherfucking were. It wasn't no planes, it wasn't no buses, wasn't no nothing. You got in the car and drove. We didn't fly in the Gulfport, no airport. We had to fly into like did you drive from California down there? Used to

drive all the times. That's what I'm saying. Like that ship we had to fly if we flow or we was on the fucking ground, That's what I'm saying. One of the bus was a luxury cross country negative Gulfport, Mississippi, and it seemed like my pops wouldn't stop dogs. So we ride down the Mississippi and all I remember when we went there, my mom. That's when I realized my mom's and pops and left us because I noticed about it.

Clark my mom's and pops and crept off right, and I was like, I'm over there with my uncle and then me and my brothers and my little brother's crown like we're mama head were MoMA and they go. We yalked there for the summer, dog and all I remember, man, we all slept in the same motherfucker. It was the biggest, softest, big after head, you know. I had one of them fat black gon baby and go to sleep. She gave me a kiss. So I went to bed, man and

I just remember it was solid. It was so dark that you can't help but just go to sleep, and you hear the motherfucking bugs outside because I'm from Ohio, right, so we would drive Ohio down there, right, So I just remember, you wake up. My auntie put us the bed like around eight thirty dogs and had us wake up like a four in the morning. Because we wake up and it's like you come to the table. It's biscuits, chicken, crits, like eggs, like a big thing. So everybody wake up

and eat. And so I'm about to go back to bed. My uncle saying, you gotta come out here, and it's like I worked. So I walked with him down his garage and he had me picking up cinder blocks all day and over this summer. That's how my arms got so big. That's how I got yoke because I was working out with him. He had a construction company, so he would be down their building stuff and he had the smallest construction coming out and had he had one little bit. He ass um with bulldogs, you're like a

little bit. He one right, everything else hand I had to so I had to pick up these big things, buckers, a cement, and then I knew he went home. It was another big dinner. You just went to big you took a bath, you went to Billy, you didn't talk back. My little brother he suffered the consequences of that because he went down there talking back and got that asked with manum switches. Man, they had a switch that was raped up off the tree and then switches down the Mississippi.

Rap around your ass, around your arm. I saw my brother get his ass. Whoop. Dog. I ain't say nothing smart. I didn't say nothing smart, But man, I liked it down there. So you blew up and you built this fan base, and I'm pretty sure Universal Records wound up winning out. Was was it the Bignes War going on for your services? Uh? Yeah, man, it was Uh I think uh I forget the other the other rend cover that was kind of it was a Sony. It was this other one. Get what they they called Uh no, Atlantic,

I think it might be Atlantic. I don't know. It might be Atlantic because Universal and another company. But you know Universal was putting the highest, you know, amount of bread on the table. That's what you do. You do you look like back now and do you feel like do you wish you would have stayed independent instead of signing a deal? No? Brother, you know, we manufacture rap songs. We sell them you know, like, um, I'm when I

when I wrote because I got high. I was doing good, but I had a family, and you know how like when you got it hard and your family living with her family and they walking through the house, like when y'all gonna get your own place type of stuff and y'all starting to have kids and blah blah blah. So I was doing good, but I needed I needed some big boy money. I need some grown man money. You know. I had to have my little caddy and and and I had, you know, I had. It's like I need

a house, you know. I needed to. I need to be in a position to tell my family. Come on, I got exactly established. Yeah, so, um I did. I pushed me to the limit. I mean, you know, there's only so much one man can do, and that I had a group of people telling me, you know, okay, uh, here's two hundred advanced, here's a million dollars publishing. You can have that little shoot I wrote on that piece of place. You know what I'm saying. Alright, some said, but they said, you gotta add a little ship. I

won't give me that greed. Greed all day. You can take my high poetry I'm glad I did something with my high because I was just I was just working around, just trying to write some ship that just you know, doing something by life. Y'all. Gonny, give me a million publisher and two give it all here. I can have that ship that's your and I'm gonna go get a house and call some groceries and uh, you know, let

me ask you. This broke. So you're in the house and you said, you've got people that's kind of they're being cool, but they're talking ship in a little when you got that check, did you flows on them any you know what, I couldn't do it. He was thinking, you know, like you want to do that when you in the house and they're talking ship and you're mad, that's when you want to do that, you know what I'm saying. But after I got it, I was just

happy to make it. I didn't feel like investing that kind of energy that all that in your face tight. At the same time, I didn't forget how they was, you know what I'm saying, Like I wasn't tripping, but you know, I don't know, man, some of that shake hands after the game, some of that sportsmanship got got in me, you know, definitely. So it's like, you know, you know, motherfuckering talking ship to you. It pitched you off, it hurt, but then after you win, you can just

gonna be happy. Like they they see you, they remember that bullshit they said, most of them is still in the same position. So it really don't it really don't matter if you rub it in their face or not, because the motherfucker can already see that you didn't stepped up to you know, you live with a better position while they still struggling. So while rubbing in the motherfucker faith give me. That's just like when I tell kids on the and they just show it to any on

the field. Let the nigga talk all day and point and do all that type of ship. But at the end of the day, you're still gonna show that you better as a motherfucker. And then you and then and they look at the scoreboard at the end of the game. You ain't gotta do no more talking. You're gonna walk through. You're gonna walk across the field. You're gonna shake a nigger hand and tell them good game. And then we're

gonna get on. We're gonna go back and feel the success while they be in the locker room kind of moaning over the ship. So sometimes you got to be the better, the bigger motherfucker get most of the time. Most of the time, I mean, you're watching motherfucking dunk and after he dunk, he go run over to the other dude and he like basting his face a little too long. You know, it kind of makes him look bad, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, damn on me,

that's how you win. I mean, because a lot of motherfucker's expect you to be the best, the bigger motherfucker in the first place. You get me. Oh, you got some ship now, so why you gotta rub it in their fail? Okay you are? You know you you know what I'm saying. So sometimes you gotta acknowledge that ship. Yeah all the time, man, You know what I find, man, Carma usually gotta wad creeping up on the motherfucker's ass anyway. So I've never been a things for a person because

I've come from the mind state. Man. Look, I ain't going vestial energy and that negative bad ship. And I usually find when the motherfucker being filed and usually hit their ass back. Yeah, yeah, and usual here them right back in the mouth. Uh. I've i um, I've been I've been fucked up, and then some ship come back on me. And then I've seen some other people sucked up,

some ship come back on them. And then sometimes I can get my revenge back with a little line in a rap song, you know, like you know that's for me, that's you know, they don't even listen to my mutic that satisfied your taste. But yeah, man, yeah they don't

even missed them. I they don't play my music. So I'll say something, you know, like yeah, you know, something something like you know they caught the vaporish or you know, like the the ah, you know I went in the end, you know, and that you do like talking to I mean, you gotta divorce. You made the whole project about it, man, he gotta he gotta the whole album about the ship

talking a bunch of ship dog. But before we get to that, man, this is what I want to talk to you about, because you're living Ohio, and I'm abrequently from Old Pridge to say, Ohio, Okay, you know that's my home, stumping around you out there. Now, you had the police department serve like they ready to Joe House, They ready to George State. Yeah, kicked your doors in and everything else. Stole money and all kinds of ship,

stole money. He got him on camera. Dog like the video funny as a motherfucker because it showed him from the standpoint. What he did was he integrated the footage that he saw from them doing ship and he running through that motherfucker too, like he hired from him like this and pick up the couch when the couch and ship, you know what i mean. And that ship really happened. That's kind of some scary ship though, man, that the police can just come up in the motherfucker's crib like

that dog on some speculationship. Yeah. Man. Uh. Somebody was telling me about the leader of the Click club Land being like this sheriff in Indiana. He takes this woman on this dirt road and he raped sir. And then the laddy tells of I'm calling the law. He was like, I am the law, you know what I'm saying. So America has a bully and one cannot investigate or arrest oneself, you know what I'm saying. So you know there's a guy in America that can do something to it, and

nobody can't do nothing to him. Immunity or whatever. He goes. You have a busted head like you say, no, don't, yes, you do. She you don't get what I'm saying. What he's saying is I'm a legal criminal. I'm a I'm a better criminal than you. So don't don't try to get uh, you know, bad with me, because I'm gonna be badder. You know what I'm saying. And that's that, that's that thing. Yeah, uh coming y'all. Now, you got two types of people in this world. You've got good

people and you've got bad people. So, you know, bad people joined the police. Bad people get jobs at McDonald's. Funk up your order, c can you pull up? You know what I'm saying. You're bad people everywhere. You know, so bad people gonna join the police department too. Hey boy, right, you know this is and that. But you know, uh yeah, man, you know cops, cops come up in the house. You know what I'm saying. Uh, you know, uh, I moved

over there. You know the black people in Cincinnati. They tell me about Adams County, and you know, I got high. I chased the girl over there. You know, I don't care. I do it all that that that MACTI in line. I've been a right since birth and the earth is I go anywhere I can afford. You know, I do whatever I want to do. And the land's real cheap over there. And so I'm living like a king out there, you know what I'm I'm saying. And I know they

got what's that? You know, I know I talked about weed a lot and I'm rapping about it, and you know, so they got probable cause to see if I if I got millions of pounds, this rumors going, oh, afro man, you know, you know, for twenty pounds over there, expecting to fund gets the whole push. And then you know, I'm rapping like you know, afro man, I got a pound of town. Oh yeah, they you you're gonna use that.

It's you know nowadays ship they use what you say again, get them motherfucker's up there, you know, because they don't like weed in Indiana. And on top of that, you on there, they're looking at you, you signing all them little nice white booties and looking at mature your thing. You know, they're getting mad. They can't stand there. Yeah, man, you know what, I'm cashed. Know, it ain't all of them. I get a lot of love in that little country town.

And but then then it's gonna be it's gonna be the it's gonna be the the you ain't too, you know, I get to do that. Don't like me, you know, you know, and that's fine too. You know, they're sitting stare at me. And so this one lawyer was asked me why I was staying out there. I was like, I got more pie staying with the quick luck klaid that. Then in the hood, like cause they're gonna look at me and hate me, but they ain't gonna touch me.

They ain't gonna do nothing to me. You know, my fucker's is gonna slide up on you and do what they gotta do. So it's like I'm just you know, I don't care about looks, and they leave me alone. But then some of them come up to me and want pictures and I'm cool and bom bom bom bom bom.

But yeah, you know, the police department I trip with, somebody go out of their way to be fucked up to you when they when they have that's a little too much energy to be fucked up, you know, like, you know, like I needed that police report for my insurance. Somebody broken my motor home. I had just got back from a little tour. Somebody broken my motor home, and the insurance people was gonna replace a lot of the stuff they took, but they just needed the police report.

So I just need to go through the motions to get the police report. Three days to come out there and take a report, like like what if you know, like they'll never catch a burglar, you know what I'm saying, like like I want to have cops get up off for traffic and go investigate all burglaries and murders, and until all of them is solved, don't be pulling nobody over, opening the new can of worms, shooting them, don't flesh, just doing all kind of new wild ship, you know.

But three days to come over to my house. Um, yeah, talking down didn't give me a copy. We don't give copies out to that. We have it at the station. And this then I'm like, I need a copy of the report for the nager. Yeah no, sir, don't get you know, I'm oh. And then when I when I called up to the station to follow up with the progress of the investigation. You know, they startedking like I was annoying them. So now that, sir, if you call up here again, it will get addressed. If motherfers didn't

like yeah, man, so did I get it? You know the police department wasn't designed to serve and protecting me. Huh, you got the answer that song? Oh yeah, I mean yeah afterwards in the end, that's you know, a rapper gonna do what a rapper gonna do. You know what he said. You know, I'm gonna get my money off

of them one way or another record. He get a divorce, you're making a disc record he get Adam's County police coming out was laughing like a motherfucker because you would, but like you like, like we were saying, it kind of just be uh, it just gotta be a hate motherfucker who just feels like I just want to harass some motherfucker because they because he's black, and because he lived in this county, And how motherfucker feels like because of the of your color or whatever you represent that

it's places like that still that feel like why do you why do you live here? You get right, around. I used to get pulled over in certain areas and the first thing the motherfucker would ask me was what you're doing? What you're doing over here? Like what the fund do you mean by that? Like wheels on the card?

You know? I'm a mom. When I fucking first moved to Marietta, and I went inside the subway coming from the gym, and it was highway patrolling there, and I mean, they're just trying to get something to eat from coming from the gym. But he in front of me, he came order because he's so busy looking at my tattoos, right, Like niggas ain't supposed to be in Marietta, right, So he can't even order because he's looking at my tattoos

and ship. So the motherfucker's stepped back and asked me what you and he said, it's straight up, do you mind if I ask you what are you doing out here? And I'm like, what do you mean by that? And the nigger straight up said, did you get paroled out here? I don't know what you mean. Did I get parole? Motherfucker out here? And they really like be having a hard time feeling like why do you pick here to move like, so he was really looking at you, like,

what then you doing out here? Nika thought I got parole from prison, and you know, somebody once live in Marietta and that's where I got parole too, So I told him, no, nig I just moved out here. I thought it was a decent area, like like you know what, like you don't want to be safe and living a good community, That's what That's what tricks me out, like we don't want to be somewhere now it's nice and safe. The trip of it is is that it's motherfucker's who

really feel like why did you pick here to move? Like, like basically we should be confined to certain areas and ship because so what I grew up in Counton and whatever whatever. Motherfucker somebody told me, oh, you should check out Marietta. The houses of the won't be getting banged for your buck. You know, I got a little kid, a son I want to raise out side of you know,

being in the ship. But it's motherfucker's who will actually look at you and give you those looks when you walk through the grocery store, you pull up at the gas station, and this motherfucker' would be like what the fuck. It's like you picked here to move. I'm thinking I'm going somewhere that's you know, but it's it's still places like that, like you're saying, motherfucker's just give you the look like why this motherfucker pick? Why have on all places at a man could have moved, but why you

picked the move to Adams County? Why when you're thinking like ship, I'm trying to go somewhere, give me some land and property and live like a king and be posted and and motherfucker's feel like why here? And then when they actually uh uh give you bad service and kind of got that yeah I did it type of attitude.

Yeah you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, like really go forward, like you know, whatever they do if if they work at McDonald's they mess up your order and don't share, or if the Walmart man with the oil here makes you way too long and don't share, and kind of like, you know, just just just watching that extra hell and energy like like you know, just like if I don't like nobody, I say, I don't like that, but I don't go fun with the dude though, you

know what I'm saying. He ain't bother me. I don't bother him. You know what I'm saying that, And that's I don't If I don't know you, ain't got no reason to not like you. You give me. That's my thing. If I don't know you, I don't have no reason to just not like you. You get me. I don't even know your motherfucker? So who who? I don't know? That's why I keep it at you. But like you said, you can move into a neighborhood and the minute the motherfucker see you, and you know they don't know shit

about you, they just automatically, Why did motherfucker's move over here? Yeah? And I'm gonna tell you this too, especially you gotta think about this. With through eight, you probably got one of the biggest cribs out there. You probably got a spot with the most land out there too. No, there's some cowboys out there that you know me. Uh, I'm just doing me. Uh. My garage is bigger than my house. You know. I just wanted somewhere. I just want to keep all my little riders out the snow. You know

what I'm saying. Uh, I got a nice little farmhouse. It's uh. I got two houses on ten anchors. So I I you know, I chased the girl out there and her brother had to land. Said I bought that there was some cheap land, so I bought it from him. I put up a house with her being her, he's arguing and fight on the time. So I go back to Mississippi. Every time we got in the I as Molan in Mississippi and should be like, oh baby, come back, come back. And I drive all the way back up

and then we get another fight. I drive back to Mississippi. So what I did just bought the house next door when they went up for sale. So we're getting the fight. I just go next door and then I was gone, and she was like, yeah, you know, dinner's ready. I come walking across the field. You know what I'm saying. But I got ten I got two houses on ten acres and uh yeah, I got two houses on ten acres, one house on five kids whatever they on this side, whatever,

And I go work in my other house. You know, I got my studio, you know, my rapping partners or my jumbies come over or whatever, peace come through time. They all come to my my little record company recording spot. But I got set up like a house. That's that's my man cave. I go over there. That's done with her. You know all I keep all my clothes over there, and ain't gonna be throwing my clothes in the yard. None of that's you know, messaging over Yeah, you just

walked right back across the thing. But that's good. You've got your kids and everybody else. They over there so they still get to see Pops whenever they want. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So let me ask you this, bro, Because weed ain't legally on how yet? Uh, not recreationally, No, not recreationally, but I think it's gonna happen. It is. You know, have you ever thought, I'm pretty sure you haven't. One of the biggest week songs of all times, not

the biggest week song of all the time. I don't know what's up for debate. You know. Um, you've had a lot of opportunities, I assumed in the marijuana industry come your way because of that song. Have you ever thought about if it came legal on how it possibly throw on marijuana on that land? Yeah, I'm learning this, you know, you know, you know, blah blah blah like uh there's twelve hours in a day. At some point a man gotta say, uh, I'm no longer a mechanic,

I'm no longer a plumber. I'm a carpenter. I'm gonna be a good ass carpenter, and I'm gonna go on. You know what I'm saying. But I'm a I'm a rapper. You ain't getting man. I ain't no farmer, you know, you know, you know I ain't going It sounds good. I bought the land or man. I ain't gonna be like somebody, and that even somebody, I'm gonna be somewhere around. I've been out here twenty three years, and people still

want to get high. I can't. I can't. I can't be at home long enough to consistently run a farmer. You know. I can't even grow corn and Kyla greens and like that. You know nothing. Question. Okay, So you've been rapping just about as long as I've been wrapping. Okay, you're still out there performing doing shows, whatever. How do you feel about people saying that it should be an age restriction for you wrap? No, Uh, that's the beautiful thing about music, See, it should be an age restricting

for an athlete or something. But if he's out there doing good, let him go. You know what I'm saying. Um, what I like about being a musician as opposed to an athlete is I can sing till I die. Bob can't sat down on the stage hunting something else. I've been down hard and bade it ever since the day we met. And so that being said, I'm intrigued about being an old entertainer. I was intrigued by Chuck Berry. It didn't What intrigued me was how they get more

money the older they get. And then it's like, we could have got that money at a young age, but our brains wasn't thinking like them, them dudes, his veterans. You know, Chuck Berry is a veteran. You know he he got what he got back with the little black and white pictures, and you know he was young, but I was watching him as a fifty year old man to his reunion. Rock and Roll is dead until Chuck

Berry come to town. You see what I'm saying. You know, Gas the Raptors old until you know eight Cuba or Maca, somebody you know from that era comes. Blues is dead until b B Kin come to Town BB King, he did that. He did that genre right. They know the blues is alive. And then, just like real estate, it gets more value the older you get. You know, I go out to a club, they don't play nothing I grew up on. Now, So a dude come up old school night with j eighties, hundred dollars at the dough.

I got to pay it because the music I used to listen to is valuable to me. It's it's so valuable that I gotta pay this extra dollar to hear it. In order to make this guy keep cranking it out for me, I gotta give him an incentive to do it. I gotta let him know that these songs are a demand. So I gotta pay extra money to see something I like now, or I gotta go see something I don't like. I gotta go see Takashi six nine. You know what I'm saying. I gotta go see. I gotta go pay.

But if I want to watch Cube and Foti and eight and and that good stuff I grew up with, yeah, man, let's go brother. Yeah. Well, you know what I noticed, hip probably fifty years old this year, maybe fifty years old this year. Hip hop is the only music genre, and that was, you know, hard from people's age. But I got interesting factory statistic for y'all. I never heard nobody in the streets saying somebody was too old to wrap.

I've heard white folks in those offices though, when I was a and R in the publishing you know, the publishing world. Oh he's a little mature and I'm talking about twenty nine thirty years old. Like, what are you talking about. We're not gonna sign him because he's not used to Like anybody that could wrap. You could be in jail if you could wrap dollar. This is an old man used to play chess with me and he had saved these. He was like, uh, here it was.

It was I got. I kind of got a little bit of I got to got that introduction to my crazy wrap from He was like, it was just sundown in the border town built at the gates of Hell, where the women and men it does this sin, but it's much too violent to tell. There came a man walking through the land named Bootheill Flash McCoy. He played with his gun in the morning sun like a kid would play with his toy. He was wandering around and

hating him town. Therefore he kept much to himself. The man was so fast he took a looking glass and beat his motherfucking selling. He was talking about his cowboys, and you know, like he was a good rapper, you know, Dolar Mike. I was born in a barrel of butcher knives, shot nash to cot, I drunk an ocean eight to el, I chew railroad iron and shoot out steal and boom boom boom. They were. They were rappers, and there was old man. And the old man had funnier rhymes. This

is blood fly the master class. I'm hit a sock sualtass, you know. And then I watched the old people in church, the old women get up there and sitting they tell to play something, the old gospel groups, the mighty clouds that Jodans up. Yeah, so I'd have seen too many old people do it better then young people and then teach them. And that's what it should be, man, And that's what I'm saying. Hip hop Bob be only fifty

years old. I think we're in the place now to where you're seeing like there's a whole bunch of cats getting on that thirty thirty five. Now, I don't think you know, if that was the case, Roth didn't really get on until he was thirty four thirty five. Man, that dude was an old man that made hat sideways with japans hanging down. How was he? Man? That was the old as man? What was song was that? He probably touring right now singing that song? Was that? Uh?

Some old man? You see he was talking about young brothers. He was like, you got your hat sideways in your pants hanging down? He went, yeah, we went. He probably someone making some money. It's just like that girl that had that horrible ast song back in the day. What was that? Ship is so cold and the d remember that ship? It's so coldly the she had a crack and I think she had like twenty thirty million views or some ship like that. Man. So it's like music

is very music is very very subjective thing. Man. It's all in with a motherfucker Like and if a motherfucker's steal jamming dog while getting this motherfucker money, should I don't give a nick ade. Hey, we're in the next generation. You think you're gonna be able to ever stop singing? The hood took me under? Hell no, you think you'll ever be able to stop y'all. The mortalized Dog. That's

one thing that music does to our heroes. You get it mortalize to the records, Like that song's gonna live on forever, Dog, because it's it's like a hit point in time in history. Because I got high time stamping history. People are gonna be listening to that ship a hundred years from our Dog, when we're not even here no more. They're gonna be looking at this podcast. Could be like that was the nigga, right this that dude went on to do this? And do you know what I'm saying.

So we're in the dope ast period of time, Dog, Everything is documented, can't nobody front? Yeah? Yeah, and it ain't over to you dead, you know what I'm saying, Like, if you got breadth in your body, you can do something. Roddy Dangerfield didn't blow up too. He was an old man. It took him. He had to live his life to real he had to live his whole life to realize. He didn't get no respect. Did he had something to say?

You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, yeah, one more thing I wanted to get into with you real quick. You have a very musical background. You are more musical than the average rapper, Like you played the bass, and you produce all your own ship, right, not all of it now you know, of course I'll be politicing and working with people like you know what I'm saying, Like, if you got a dope beat, I'll take it, I'll wrap or I want everything good. I want everything I

got good. I want everything you got good. Uh, I do be. I do work with other people. But when I first started, I didn't have no money and no cloud, you know, so I was making all my tracks. You know. Yeah that wounded up being a benefit for you actually, or I would say yeah, yeah, man, because you know they have to pay nobody, like I hear at first, everybody was wrapping off of a sample, you know, but I'd hear I was a baseline type of man, and I'd hear too short. I hear guitars and it wasn't

a sample. They might they might play something I heard ish, but I heard life is not heard. City of Dope. I was like, man, I don't have to hire something dude to loop me, no record or nothing. I can just if I can get a drum machine. My biggest thing was playing to the beat, so you didn't hear some of my ship just to sound sloppy and like my base, like my baseline didn't sound sloppy, you know

what I'm saying. But I started liking base most out might like the baseline in a wrap song Don't do Don't done do do dot dot Dude doo dude do do doo doo doo doode all the time. Yeah, man, you know, uh so it worked out. I forgot I knew how to play the good tar. When I was in Mississippi. I was playing, you know, playing good tars and stuff. When I got to l A. You know what I'm saying. You know, cats had radios and and

we were just playing rap tapes and stuff. So I was, you know, trying to be cool with you know, the l A home he saw old people make me bring my guitar out and play it. But what I forget I played it, you know, said. But when I started rapping and I didn't had no money to pay people to give me instrumentals, you know, I got me a drum machine and I tuned that base up and put that lead track on there. Yes, it um, it saved

me a lot. Of money, and he gave me the sound I wanted, you know, like I like so like Isaac Hayes, Uh do your thing, you know what I'm saying, like like the baseline, don't give it up, you know what I'm saying, Like so I'll be wanting them. So yeah, yeah I didn't. I didn't do um when I started off. I didn't like, I didn't want to wrap to the typical when everybody else was doing everybody was doing Parliament,

everybody doing funkadelic or so we used to. I used to listen to ship like Isaac Hayes the Meters and ship like that, and that's what we got our sounds from. But I didn't. I didn't just I didn't want to do like you know easy and everybody was doing the Parliament that ship and we talked about that. Yeah. I just felt like I wanted to come from a different direction than what other niggers. I wanted to tell stories like I didn't want to be like our fast paced

and whatever. I want to tell the niggas like who came through the hood last night and dried to blast. I wanted to tell niggas like and I felt like you had to do that two more sinister fucking like you said, baseline type of ship. You know what I'm saying. I never felt when I started writing raps because Nigga I was still on the book. I was still in

Dragnew every day you give me. Even when I was making records and still touring and all of that, I would get off the plane and go right to the block because I still felt like that's where I wanted to be. So my music was always about what was going on in the neighborhood. I didn't know ship else, I said. I didn't ship up until the only thing we did was went to Mississippi and came back, and we came straight back to Compton. So when I started making music, I didn't want to be all like just

I didn't give a funk about mel Fucker's dancing. I didn't give a funk about NI. I wanted niggas sitting their cars and listening to my ship talk about one time came through last night, so and so I went to jail. The niggers across the street came through, or the enemies came through, or so and so did this, or the home he got jacked, and you know that's all. That's all we That's all I knew, So I didn't want to talk about ship else. It's crazy that was

your thing, man. You know what, do I think all that stuff serves this place in the body of music? You feel what I'm saying. I think everybody listening to people for a move because I know I was really up on I was really you on your stuff, man, like real heavy. But a month ago he was listening to it. Man, I said this, dude, because the six you'll be saying be funny as a motherfucker dog, but to be some real ship, like I can feel when you're coming from what I can say, Man, he's mad

on this mother really clowning up. You know what I'm saying. Now, these people when they hear these records. When your ex wife uter record, man, was she mad? Is anybody was threatening? Like a law suit? You know? People real lategious now a days. That's how I look at it. One of my urges was to beat their ass. But I took all bad energy and wrote lyricus. Then I put some music down. What I was trying to do is convert

that bad energy into some money, something positive. All that energy you'll get a homeboy going through it with his woman. He called you up. He talking. Now you're listening. He ain't making no money. You ain't making no money because you're listening to him. All of this energy is going in the wrong direction. How do you turn that badages? She was on my mind. I was angry about it, so I just you know, I got to I got to I got to get paid that if you take so much of my time, I got to convert that

into money, because we only got tied. You can get money back, but you can't get that. You know, she get off in your head and she she messing up your time. You know, then it's obviously something your mind is on it. So then I just started writing, you know, boom boom, And then I was just trying to change all of that, all that hostility, This that the other converted into some money. Maybe somebody can relate to it,

and then it is there. If a guy listen, if a guy gets mad at this girl and he listened to that album, he relates to it. Here laugh But he won't. He won't, he won't hit her, he won't do anything that's going to mess up his life. He's gonna do the next best thing. Leave. Uh, you know, go get him, Go get into some money, go get something better, you know what I say, Like I was, I had the solution. I presented the problem. But I I presented the solution, you know, um and I you

know I'd be like, fuck you bitch, goodbye. I had to walk out the house today. You always got something to say. Some dude's gonna relate to that, you know. Yeah. So I took all that energy and and that song sounds better than me. Then the reality of squad cars being there and me jumping on her, the kids watching me jump on her, you know, still in still all of that, that last argument you gave. Daddy made the

Family two hundred and fifty thousand. It was one of my smallest selling records, but you know it went to something positively, you know, Boom boom boom. So yeah, you know that was just me turning that bad energy into some money. You know, have you ever have you ever done any actor? Every day? I just needed to get in a real movie and get hey, well we got something. You know, we got some plays. We find the run man. We got some plays for sure in that world that

we find the run man. I really appreciate you man, coming on. Man, it's been one of my most and you know, we don't have a lot of people on this show eight and this has definitely been one of my most enjoyable because you you've got a dope as spirit about yourself, man, like your energy is on. Your energy is right man, because I'll be feeling stuff, you know what I mean. You got a real positive for

word about yourself. Man. You know, so I look forward to the things that we go, you know, doing more business and you know, shopping up some more things, man, new projects, anything coming up there? Yes, I got an album coming out February one. It's called Famous Player. I'm a Famous Player, dude doing the best star game. Dude, putting some paint where it ain't trying to be a better man. Uh, Famous Player that's coming out. Um. You know, people go subscribe to my YouTube channel o g Afroman

uh Finnis. Start doing a bunch of little shows on my on my YouTube channel. If you've got a product or service you want to advertise, you know what I'm saying, Hit me up, hit up my man Josh on my Instagram so we can get you a commercial. You know why the ain't cheap, right now, vote for out from man, President. You know what I'm saying. That's what I'm talking about. Legalize cannabis all fifty states. You know what I'm saying. Reparations for slavery for the actors, and the mute. I

want my mute to a man. Yeah, you know, I'm gonna do a bunch of stuff. You know, if you was a if you as a natural man and you switched over, you cannot be in the female sports. You know what I'm saying, Man, cut off all this foolish Yeah. Man, we're gonna you know, we're gonna make the bathrooms make I'm gonna put prayer back into school. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna bring um. You know, I will secure the border and everything. Asked me to tell you.

You know what I'm saying. I ain't right, but I'm honest. That's right. That's one of the things before we go. They're really tripping me out in your platform. Man, all this foreign a You said we could foreign out to these other countries. Yeah, we got some foreign as going to the Africans, African Americans. You know, yeah, we need that. You know, I'm gonna do a study about man every notthing.

And I hear somebody in for them talking about how the government you know, gave you know, the natives their their own land, gave them their casinos, like they got their own set of rules inside of the American rules. Like you know, we can't get nothing. We're gonna get it. We can't. We gotta we gotta like we ain't. You know what some people who come from different countries wars whatever. They come here. They get houses, they get the open businesses.

Not saying that, you know, like you know, back in the days, you know, they had Black Wall Street whatever and you know they burned it down and all that. Not saying that weaker, But why is it so r two give black people that ease that they give the other races, right man? Uh, you know the complete opposite, Like you said, they fucked over the Indians. Yeah, but then the scot whatever they gets and they get whatever,

but we got you know, black people got sucked over. Yeah, man, you know what don't want And even the Bible say, he was like, you're joking back, you have not because you asked not, you know, like we asked. That's why I'm telling people to vote for me. You know, we're gonna ask the country we need these things. If the country don't give it to if I get in the office, I'm gonna I'll take it. You know. You tell your homeboy, your homeboy come to yours, like, hey, fix me a sandwich.

You'd be like, no, it's a refrigerator. You know what I'm saying. The man names the knife in the drawer. I might have to do it like that, you know, I might have to go in there and and and say, hey, they're not gonna get it. But you know, you put me in office, I'm gonna pay. You know, I'm gonna get into the Federal reserve. Pair everybody for slabory. I'm gonna set up land that's not being used that can go two to descend into slaves. You know what I'm saying. Uh,

all these I drive through them all the time. I've been driving across country. I'm like, I'm like, what are they doing with this? You know what I mean? It's just out there, you know, And I know people probably ain't gonna leave New York and wherever they live and come to that land. But you know, if we discussed it all they could get some of that land off the freeway. You know what I'm saying, all that open land.

You know, each black person could get an acre. But they even said that forty acres in the mute, you know, ge wiz. Now, I don't know the population then and the population now, but if the population of black people is the same and they was offering forty acres back then, then you know, I noticed how I live better now that I've got space. You know, I think if a lot of black people have some space, or people all human beings need space. If they have some space, I

think they'd be they'll be better off. It's more therapeutic. I got. I can turn my music up. I'm not annoying another person. Uh you know, I can grow my my My bush is up. Don't even see that. Probably really be in my own world, really be my castle. You know what I'm saying. Um, people need land, People need space. You know all these homeless people, these look your rent you pay five thousand dollars for for a little hobby hole. Man, all that stuff driving you crazy

after a while. Need some space for real, man. Man. It's been a pleasure, man, definitely, it's been a pleasure man. And y'all heard what it is? Giving that one more time through. Yes, it's gonna be February, the first February. First, go get that new Appleman album Famous Playing. Go get that album Lemon pound Cake. You know what I'm saying with all the songs on there and talking about the Adams County shaff Department, You know what I mean, turn that bad thing into a good thing a song. I'm

gonna have a good time. Will you help me repair my door? Whire you disconnecting my video camera? Yeah? Hey man, you know I gotta get one from you before you go. Man, can we get up? Man, I've just smoking so much. Well I can barely do that anyway. Yeah, we're going well. That concludes another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download I Heard That and subscribe to

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