Public Enemy Ft. Spider Loc

got a special guest, Spider Loco. We got Spider Local the house and um, I actually just interviewed Spider Look a few months ago, so if you haven't checked that out, go VISU Street TV. We did, uh. I cut the interview into two parts or three parts. I think three parts, and the first part is the one you guys love the most. But I loved all three parts. What do you think appreciated? I mean, you know, I always enjoyed telling my story and you know, having interest, so I

just enjoyed the process. I like the way you cut it up. I tried to tell your story just a little different from everybody else. Most of the time, you're sitting in the chair telling the story, but I wanted to go out into the navy. I appreciated you're going to um all three of the sections to that you know that was familiar with, and I cut part one, especially the show that we was on with ninety s because for some reason somebody kept going online talking about

you never go to East Coast. It's no, the thing is not. The thing is not don't. It was they can't. Oh yeah, that was an irritant Okay, I gotta remember I was talking. I mean, it's not about no. I mean, it's just those two words have a very different connotation in this right, is not about don't because you can say that as much as you won't because I choose not to. But when they can't comes up, that was

curious to me. Is that right? So I edited that right when Homeboy was saying this, and I said, you know, I gotta cut the part where we are. You had to appreciate that you had told me that you had left it out just based on the way you had it flowing, and then because you came across that, you included because I know you know what would have happened in the comments of that video if I didn't include, Yeah, he must be right, Alex just interviews part of Look

and they nowhere on in the East Coast. But I have no I have no energy to try to like defend that type my name against that type of claim. The little bit of temptation I did have died right along with the late great neighborhood nil um. You know, I wish she was said about him when I wish he would have not been in his hood. You know what I'm saying that it's such a small crown to even try to improve that I possessed. And then they say that, you know, his life was taken by an

alleged rat. That's who sparked the rumor on me for sure. Rat And we'll talk let's talk about that in the show. But before we start the show, I want to do a little bit of fact checking from last week. The racial demographics of Compton. It is now six Latino as of two thousand and eighteen, which is still significant because that's real high because I remember when it was probably like ten. Reggie, when you was a police officer, was like probably Latino might have been thirty maybe a little

a little less. And also you mentioned an incident where a CV seventy guy used to go at it with the looters park. I do a little research. I believe his name was Casper. We couldn't remember his name. You think that's Casper. He was killed by the police eventually by or the sheriff. So you know who killed him? Then? No? No, okay, But um, I do know that he was letting you know, the dudes from the looters and some of the miles

have it okay. And last week I accidentally misspoken said Poo's brother was killed buying Acasia block, which makes no sense because um who was from Acasia? It was a CV seventy that killed his brother. Um. And we also talked about a guy named g Ray. Let's just make a distinction. There's there's a little g Ray and a big g Ray, and it was big g Ray that

guy killed litl g Ray is still around. Also, Um, the area where occasion blocks that we couldn't remember what CV seventy click that is, but I believe it's the peeweeze And um chicos Tina, you also got the midget to the monsters and the last correction, um I pronounced the guy from Florida's name incorrectly, it's Ardudo Castellano, a k a. Tablets or tablas. He's the guy in Pelican Bay that pretty much runs F thirteen. And if you remember last week, I was I had this visions of grandeur.

Would you say of the East Coast Cripts and the F thirteens figuring out this conflict is beef and getting it right again? And who do we have as a guest this week? So I don't know if he wants to talk about that, um today, but let's start off with the Snoop dog dog pound video in New York. Um, somebody asked again, these questions are all from you guys that listened to the show. We appreciate everyone that responds to our posts and and contributes and asks and puts

these questions online for us. So one of these questions was Snoop dog dog pound video in New York and when they got shot at what really happened that day? Yeah? I started started off the reason why this question come up? And this is a topic of conversation because Snoop bitch asked, always tried to make it. I don't like Snoop, but anyway,

snoop um here. He always tried to make it seem like pop was the reason that all the dramas and stuff came to death Row, which he forgets that they shot at his trailer and Pocket had only been out of jail a month or two when this instance that happened.

Um be. He got on the on the radio on a Funk flax Master Flex or whatever his name is radio funk Master Flex, and he got on the radio and was like, hey, ye out here doing this video called New York, New York having this big video shoot out here, which in their mind they were paying how mage to uh to New York, but the New York people didn't take it that way. He got on the radio was this and then saying, hey, how are you how are we gonna be letting this go down out here?

Um wait? Who was paying homage to New York? The soul New York New York Is were corrupt. But the video that's the after fact, that's after the video shoot got shut up and we had to come back and film it out here in l A. That was done in studio stuff, But all of that was done after the mad So that wasn't the initial plan. For that were supposed to have a big party and have all the different rappers corrupt when all of them was gonna go out there and the next day was gonna have

a bunch of red Rocks and something. You probably know what red there's something spot in New York where that's happened. It's called red something where they were going and just happened. But they will have a big old like party or a big old like atmosphere in there. But you know, Biggie took confence to it because you know, the beef

was starting up. But then he got on the radio this thing um, and then you know they came in there and did some pop shots at the video shooting where they had a clear out and pack up the league. Because you know, it wasn't so much that the artist was scared, but you know you have all those productions exactly. Yeah, and those people, you know, you can't justify that. Yeah, you don't want that happens to those people in the artists.

When we get all that shot, where was all the all the hitters from uh, to be honest, that was a snoop thing and so it was mainly his people out there. Yeah, we were we were all back at home. I mean, some of my security was out there. They credit Frank and some of my security for getting to my little dolp, you know, getting to my little trailer and all of that and looking out for him. But what year was this when Paul got out ninety five,

December of ninety five. It's either November December ninety five when this happened. But but by my point to it was that, you know Snoop always try to make it seem like popboard, all the heat to death roll and all of that, But it wasn't trailer that got shot up. It was dog pound of Snoops used to say he made Snoop turn crip. Well you around when that supposed to hap that turn crip? No, that probably would have

been before my time. Nine. I think you never heard say he never told me that, hold on, hold on, I never stopped that, rich. I never heard him saying that, I haven't wait. You haven't never heard him say when he met him, his name with super Snooper duper Okay, that was not a crip name. You don't remember that. So you heard the rest of the story. Rage, I knew you had. Sure you should say that he used to say. He put extensions in the snoopiger d and

budless and he said, shoo, this is shous words. Now Shook said, look, man, he's from Long Beach. Ain't no blood and so you can't be saying bigger Ris. Mama told us over and over again to thank you. You know we heard it to one's come on, man, well I just know dog is a blood the blood putting, you know, that's what they say. But yeah, yeah, well listen to you Snoop dog dog de dogs. I say that was up dog. So no one actually got shot, You just got shot at. No one was how the

trailer just got shot where they were at? Okay, well, I don't know why that comes up all the time, this incident. Yeah, why because of the beef. That's what a lot of people believe in. The beef between New York and and the West Coast started the East Coast and the West Coast started, but but it never started. No,

I don't think the beef had anything. There was there was no it wasn't there was no East Coast Park always told you the corniest concept you you deal with so much real beef that to entertain that as a real beef. It has nothing that that was. So there was no East coast West Coast be No, I agree and said there was certain motherfucker's from you said. This was December of Okay. Wasn't there a little bit of conflict between Sugar and bad Boy in that was too.

That's with two different crews that happened to be from two different coasts. That was did not wage a coastal ward and that was because Park was coming home and Park did tell he had a problem with Bad Boys record and all of that, and he wanted him to ride with him because he was going to destroy them. But isn't that what the East Coast West Coast beef is?

It's really death Row bad Boy that's really what. Why would you call the East coast West Coast b Yeah it was, yeah, I mean that's what the I think the media wanted to Some people started jumping and jumping there. The problem, the main problem that we have from an industry standpoint, was with the pds. To be honest, they would not play any West Coast music on the East coast. That's who we really have questions When Death Row would go to New York, wouldn't have the New York catch

didn't like death Row. If death Row would have been hanging out somewhere when you know the fight or jumped on Puffy, New York would have would have jumped. We used to kick it with Puffy and I just said, I'm not you wouldn't kicking with Puffy got on that stage and ship. That's when it started, come to death Row. That's why Puffy was confused that they started and he did that. Why because he knew we had just got off the plane and he knew that he was just

about to sign Pop. But there's a whole lot of homes would have got killed that night if they didn't fix that, right, it never got fixed. That's when it started. No Snoop ship. He went and got that Puffy the s I wasn't talking about you kids, didn't say that. That's what Puffy said, Okay, I was in a tone of winner. How the conversation went. He adin't blame no Ship,

don't know Jermaine dupri or anything like that. That's Puffy version. Okay, Okay, So this this shooting had nothing to do with Death Row Bad Boy conflict, which was already in the earlier starting. No I staid, it's starting, But I'm just trying to say Snoop always trying to put it at the feet of Pop. When they didn't shoot a pox trailer, they shot at dog Pound, Trade d E big C style, um dash corrupt and Snoop sitting inside of a trump. It wasn't no, no tupop, no should no bunchry ing

the shooting was it? That was there? Don't nobody know why? Yeah, be out on the radio. I think he said, the niggas out here, this in US, with this on New York, New York, and they they out here? How how they have the nerves to be out here filming this video out here and they this in US? I don't so big he called it. Some people would say, Hitchman, Jimmy really made made it happen, and all of that. Who knows, Biggie got on the radio. I've talked about it, Biggie.

It is true. When um, when I used to go to New York because my mom lives out there, you would never really hear West Coast music on the radio here. It wasn't. It wasn't just death row, but we out here were bumping. They were bumping the pds the program director to see a lot of people think back then this jockeys the radio. This jockey didn't have the control like they do now. You had to mix. The mix

shows had it. But that's it. But it was done by the p D. The program director is the one that decided what songs are gonna played at the different stations. It was really hard for for New York City to embrace West Coast hip hop. I mean, eventually it did, but in number early nineties, jay Z said, we give Jay's props and that's where it stops. And they didn't do that because you remember that song really held him accounting before that, Yeah, that was that was a boast.

I remember Dj Quick jay Z said that it was like in the Girls Girls Girls Age right around there, yea, when he was popping. I don't think he would say that today though, Oh no, of course not. Yeah. And you know what, the South had a hard time getting their hip hop embraced by the East and the West in the very beginning, and now there was a period where the South was just running it. So I think West always embraced the South. That's when the West kind

of fell off from together. You know, even when it was eight Ball m j G. We always liked, but they weren't getting radio PLAYO yeah, yeah, but you know who. And that's why the West Coast really kind of fell off because guess who was the West coast biggest supporter was the South, the South, the Southwest because they want to ride and over. I think the South had love for the East and the West because they're right there

in the middle and Gold and Jerry girls. That was they've seen to have a general distinct from New York nigger because they feel like the York niggas assumed them to be done well. The North, Carolinas in the South, Carolina's got strong ties to New York. So you know the South when we say the South again, like when you say Carolina, Carolinas don't come to your mind first

when you said the South. If you live on the East Coast and you said, if you live in New York State and you say I'm going down South, the first thing you think of the Carolina. We're talking about hip hop and it's glory. It is being accepted. The Carolina is just now getting notarized itself. For like Pete Pablo, like who else is from the Carolina? The music wasn't not influx from the Carolinas. I mean most of the South,

most of all that music came out of Georgia, right, Georgia. Yeah, but I'm sure the people in Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, they was listening the fans. But I think that when I think it's south to Alabama, Mississippi. Now, if you're from California and you say the South, the first thing you think of it is Texas and Louisiana. So and if you're from Chicago and you say the South, you think of Mississippi and Alabama, you're thinking outside of the round

hip hop. Because you think of hip hop, you say South Atlanta. Nowadays, Well that's not well. Jermane there was always doing what he was doing, but I don't even think for him like the Jez the T. Well, when we're talking about ninety, you're still going back. Yeah. Well, I guess I'm saying that because we were talking about the beef that that started. Who was popping the night was outcast Otkast, but they were mainly pop. I wouldn't

call them hip hop or route. But I mean, you know my ship ice cream Man and your boy and Master p was Oh yeah, that's when he took over ninety seven from Louisiana, right, New Orleans juvenile, you know, back that ass up juvenile St Louis. No not he was from New Orleans. Was Baby from St. Louis. Uh, my boy, Philip, No no, no, Nelly from St. Louis

is kind of orderline South. But yeah, I think all these regions have a different history as different parts of America embraced them, and then we forget about the I mean my main one, the Girt Old Boys and yeah yeah, Spider was talking about yeah yeah, but yeah, eventually New York opened up and said, you know what this West Coast music is. It's pretty damn good. You know, it's pretty damn good. Yeah one, Spider and g Unit and them and them when them took over, I think they

bowed down to Drake seemed like one. And that's ninety nine. ICEQ had like a New York lane though, well even we went out there, the fielders out. I mean, that's a classic America's most want American three k's. Yeah, yeah, that was hard America KKK. Yeah. I like that kill a Will that came right and it was hard to man's hard yeah, holding that guy. Know what's the total death tifty? Right? Yeah, the the gun. All right, so um, let's move on to uh something that Tupac said. I

vaguely remember this. Apparently at some point on Tupac called Dr Dre gay. He's saying gay like, you know, that's gay, Like that's not cool? Or was he calling him a homosexual? Dre? Your sexualities? Who do you use this? Hellita? That's one of the that's one of the times he references. That's all I'm saying, Go ahead, James, James stories, Well, I know where it comes from. All right, Well she'll she'll

get feeling. Uh. And this is a woman scoring because mission Lay was so hurt that Dre was, you know, dealing with other chicks and was just using her as a baby mama and not respecting her love or not loving her like she wanted to be loved by Dre and m and so she started always coming around saying, all these men is always living with us. I gotta remember Bruce. You remember Bruce who we met in the strip club. It was a mill exotic dancer. Was was

always with Dre, lives with Dre. Uh what's that boy name? Um, it's daddy. Uh, it's a it's a big song writer, um from from Motown. Anyway, one of them always lived. She was always say me and always had to live with them at their house or whenever. Dre always had men standing around there. So Mischel was really the one to put out the rumor about Dre being gay, and she grand with it. Okay, well yeah, but I think

it was because of a woman's corn. I've seen a couple of Michelle interviews and it doesn't seem as if her information is completely accurate. So I think I don't know what level of credibility does Michell carry? None? None? Okay, Well I've been hearing she don't. Danny Boy didn't like her. I mean, none of those guys liked her. I mean you know she she was slept with a few of the guys around in the circle. Um, what kind of credibility that she needs? She loves, don't let's sleeping with

them them? Then marry And should you know I got a baby by this one. I'm over here with that one I wouldn't call incredible. Okay, So for those who don't know, Michel has a baby with and she also has a baby which after dre and shook parted ways. Am I right about that? Yeah? Shout hey, No, well I ain't talking about about I don't keeping she was decent. I didn't have much interaction with her, but I did

have genuine interaction encounter. She's but just in general, when a woman decides to date your partner, your ex partner has a theory about that too. Let me say that she said that was in the range situation that he forced in order to save face of his company when those rumors started going around. Have you heard that before? Of course he has I'm not gonna make and everything I heard of his hearing Dreche was always messed around. I'm just that's the real reason of the break up.

That's what she would say. That's the real reason of the break up was miche Andre married now but still his biby mom and your business partner and was off limits man to her. That's how she should have said, I have a child by dre You should have been looking at She wouldn't even you make money with him coming to me like that. It should have went to Drake, you know what I'm saying. She didn't do that. She

went to shoot. She accepted that from ship. You know what I'm saying, And that's what she made her mistake at. So for all of these guys to call her holes or whatever, I mean, I'm stepping back. I ain't gonna call him one. She tried to tell y'all in her little documentary how it went down, and it's kind of true. I mean, she exaggerated a little bit, you know, about

the beatings and all of that stuff. But how do you know what was going on in their house because I would have seen her coming around and and and beat up and all of that. I don't know. She was the drunk walking around the studio that I had to drive home and have limousines for and all of that. But that's another subing. So you think she exaggerated the assault that she claimed that because she really wanted to be with Drake and Dre had moved on to Sudel

Three's woman, to his baby mama who and adopted. Can you go back to somebody you just disrespected totally? You you you she wanted to come back to Dre after Shi No no, no, no, we're talking about this is what she wanted. And so at that point, then that's when she started calling Ship like people will say, who calls Why would you be calling sugar two or three in the morning for pempers and milk two or three in the morning, and my electricity is not on two

or three in the morning. She said these her words. If you listen, I think it lad. I don't know where the woman scoring. She said, Okay, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna sleep with ship and see what you do. Hey, well, I personally don't think she should have even been dealing with Sugar, so but she was an artist sign on the record company. That would be her. You know, you can blame her, and you can blame Dre. I just sucked the ship out of Sugar for you to touch

my busy mother, especially in my face. Now you've been a marrier. I'm gonna come to your wedding and I'm gonna whoop your ass. I'm gonna be very disrespecting. Drey strong on the back was when he heard that Mission was pregnant. That's why he that was the strong. But that's why I say, don't don't get with your feelings and emotions with these women all these things, because this type of ship happens now what are those kids? How

old are those kids? And what's their relationship? Like she's got a kid by doctor Tray and a kid by sugar. Hell of a story to tell when they go to school. I know because I used to pick Marcella up from school and all of that. I know growing up he didn't have any relationship with a sign. But I heard once he became adult, an adult, that they have a relationship now, and once his other child, his other son, that he didn't have a relationship passed away. Whose son is?

I always wondered how true those beating stories that Michelle a Ques trailed because he's been married to this woman for years and you haven't heard one negative things she said, and how long they've been together. That's not the threat X is it the one that he's married now? She ain't never said anything negative about Drake? So is he that type of person? Though? Oh, he gets drunk and he was drinking. He had drinking problem back then as well. Didn't he beat up the girl on Pump it Up?

So he capable? I'm not saying, I'm just saying they were exaggerated. I and say they didn't happen. I just said they were exaggerate. I mean, every man is capable of judging a woman. Women. The other year, she was a spokeswoman for domestic violence at one time. She like that's after that lifetime. I think you're just hearing her tell the story with that voice is just sympathetic. Period. It sounds like it's just terrible voice. You're just gonna

feel bad for her, just the story. You want to part of the crew that wouldn't had to go deal with deal with a cane. We do. We came from Minnesota to society when she was working on him. Damn man, I would I wouldn't wish I would go pack for another woman. All Right, we're talking about that. Please know that name. Let's not say she got a hell of a story. Though she could say she sucked Easy, dre and Ship, three of the biggest West Coast pioneers, and I'd be proud of that. That's a hell of a book.

But you got women to did worship and still yeah, well I saw everybody. I saw a hell of a picture of O. J. Simpson's trial and the Kardashian mom is three. There were three men in that courtroom that she fucked. O J. Simpson Kardashian and Bruce General all in that courtroom. I say this, let's see they'll get down like that. Have you been, Marcus Allen, have you ever been in the same room where there are three

people there that you had sex with? Yeah? Okay, and you get a lot of that on the motorcycle set, and on the motorcycle set is a cold You know what I'm saying. If my girl here, you you don't bother me. But if my girl ain't here, it is what it is. This part of this is it's like, man, ask you this whatever, but if my woman here, don't come nowhere near me. So I didn't have a room full of Oh yeah, I didn't need man, I can yeah that I hate Yeah, Hey, more power to y'all.

I don't think I don't think I've ever been in the room with Are you being right now? Are you feeling comfortable? Are you being you? I said I could have been in the room with two women two, three, three, three. I mean that's that's thirty three percent. I have four big moths, specifically, gets one out of three is thirty three percent. That's a lot. Was talking about three Okay, Now it was one out of nine one out of ten. That's ten percent and nine in ten is all right.

I appreciate that. But but this UM this topic kind of segues into UM the catalog catalog question that someone wanted to know the Sugar Knight or Reggie Wright Jr. Make any money off of the death Row catalogs and they were specific in two thousand nineteen, Uh death Row catalog was lost in the bankruptcy E one? Uh which used to be Caught? Right? Which used to be Caught currently owns it? And what year did they take possession of that or pay for that? It was lost in

the bankruptcy in two thousand nine. I believe it was a company called Wide Awake that eventually purchased it in the in the in the bankruptcy sale, and then UM contraventually or E one eventually purchased it from Wide Awake. I am still employed by E one. I get a consulting check once a month, and I owned some of the publishings that were done on some of the albums from about nine two uh two thousand two, I was on one of them. No twopoc stuff since it's two thousand,

or do you have any old tuopoc stuff. Yeah, we we we did somebody else and some purchases from some of the artists that were appeared on the New Songs. And I guess since we talked a lot about this last week, from what you're saying, I'm a little confused.

How would Cas Big Cas be an owner of any of the How could big Cas be an owner of any of the of the previous death Row Records catalog if he one slash Cotch acquired it in two thousand nine, because because it's a liar, he's just a straight up liar. Unless he sold it to the one he's a liar. He did, he's not even saying if you listen to the new interview that he did with um now, I forget the name some some dude nine interview yesterday interview, uh somebody room, I forget the name of the guy.

I don't even know. But he even admit he just took it and he sold it to them so they can have it. Is what he's changing. And he didn't change up his story about three or four times, if y'all really listened to all these different stories, but now needs to saying he took it, he beat me up, knocked me out and took it at the office. Anybody that knows or followed any of the stuff. No, death

Row didn't have an office in two thousand seven. Uh, if you really know, I wasn't even really kind of messing with Sugar, I think in two thousand and seven. I didn't even start back until the two thousand and eight two thousand nine messing with chef. But um, we didn't have an office, our studio. We didn't have any artists in two thousand and seven because she was dealing with the bankruptly for about two thousand five to two thousand and nine, and so his stories just don't add up.

But he's he's pushing this agenda for some reason and more proper to the brother, I guess. So I guess the answer to that question is, yes, you do make some money off of of the old death Row catalogs. Well, I get a consulting fee. But the main thing is, yeah, there's some money. He's under the company called Simon says, the music publishing that that that I own, Big Simon Simon says, the music publisher. So death Rows music kind of spread out through different companies. Now it's not under

one umbrella. One company owns a dent of death row records or it's all chopped up. No, it's one company, which is the one um Interscope Um. They released everything pretty much. Uh. I don't know if they still have the greatest Hits album and stuff like that, but they have like two or three albums still over there, but mainly everything is done by a one entertainment. Let me ask you, rich if if cash did have that, how

much could you sell it for? Well, if you you you have some stolen I stolen Yeah, it's called no Jumper was the name of that the channel he was on. But um uh, I mean, if you have some stolen property, it's easier and it's easy to some some executives will give you a hundred thousand dollars, but you're not making any money off him. You know if he had a bunch of reels and stuff like that, but he didn't. He didn't have We didn't even have it in our possession.

We turned it all over the records that we had. We found something I took from Das's wife and and Dass about in two thousand to two thousand three. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, he was president when they were taking I remember he was at the office. It was that the g wagon pulling up and some reals getting pulled out and put on the dolly and put and ticket. Maybe they came from track to the office. Yeah, well that's probably how

I did. But but but I but we left that in the possession of a guy named but who got in trouble from it. Uh during the bank rough c Uh. What's small was like our engineer Bull still good dude, still in Detroit. He's still working, good dude. But he got in trouble him and his wife. He was holding some of the stuff we had and him and his wife got a domestic violence issue or something, and she called and snitched him out and said and they came in, and the police came and took those, uh, the little

items that that was being hell. Now, the way cast tells the story is that he eventually turned them over to POC's mom, a Fanny Shakoor. That's what he said in a previous she he said that in the previous interview, But if you look at this new interview he did today, he said he the interscope, which interscope can care less because they had no more use for it. They even gave the ones that he had from four, gave it to the mama, said here, you can have it. They don't.

They didn't want to be in the park business anymore, but interscope and he said, uh, he won cutty check. That's just because he's just learning and here and stuff, and he gave it to them. This is new story. But yeah, the story you heard that I heard before. It was totally different than the new story he's telling. Okay, so does a Fanny shakor two parts late? Mother and her state owned any of poks music. They owned everything

that hasn't been distributed currently. And there's a lot of songs he never released, like over a I don't think is that many fun and you did a song that was under the Death Row label Spider Well. I appeared on the what was it called the Functional Family soundtrack Eddie Griffith uh stand up movie. She was responsible for putting soundtrack together. Got a chance to work with Lisa Left Eye Lopez request he said he owns that too.

He said he got all that too. Let me hold something that's a bad brother, So that means he's got your stuff that got lit. Yeah. I wrote for her on there too. Yeah, so I did some writing on there. I did perform me you know, my whole I go with Snoop Dogg began on there sucking with Sugar. I got kind of like I got pumped up one time. Now, during um, the late nineties, you was making a big name out here in l A. But you ended up

hooking up with the East Coast hip hop movement. Um, did you ever think that I should have pushed with Sugar and some of these West Coast companies rather than going I had a two year stint with shild no uh it had rainash Courts. You know, if you look at Sugar and if you're looking at the East Coast situation that I dealt with, neither of them were able to do what they intended to do for me, for anyone after me either. So I don't believe that they had a coastal issue with um the lack of success

you saw those two runs half. I think both of those individuals found themselves in positions where they weren't really able to benefit artist period. And you know, unfortunately those were the situations that I was in. But because I'm confused, like you were an incredible poet, I appreciate and you had or still still have mad skills when it comes

to thank you. This game we call rap. But for whatever reason, you didn't get pushed out there, whether it was when you was with death Row or with gun It the way I thought you was gonna get pushed out here. You know what happened. Um, we still get as the best as yet to come. It's humbling and stumbling through a game with all these skills and the ones at the top are only mumbling, you know, But

I'm just living. It's a variation of things. But like I say, if you look at the two CEOs that I were direct I was directly dealing with, neither of them have been able to have success as a CEO post what they tried to do for me. So it kind of takes some of the responsibility off myself. And I think timing, you know, and just situations. But neither should nor Curtis has been able to be to put an artists out and see some success posted their attempt

with me. So you can look at that there and kind of assess it, and like you say, the value that they saw in me it's still here. Now you go in on fifty, really hard. You don't really go in on shugar that hard. I don't. I don't really consider myself going in on fifty hard. I just keep it a Google, and the Google is like just factually based. And if you can tell me something I said that you considered me going in really hard, then I might

I would agree. But I just feel like he's done a lot of things that to be observed and perhaps spoken upon unfavorably. I got one that you are going hard, man fighter say they'll be on the road on doing shows, and then they'd be having all the fine women on the road and the one person that he picked up rubbing down with the baby. All it was more than one. But the gender, but the gender of the guy he was.

He was as a customer comfortable with having a man all his muscles and his tattoos before he took stage. It was just it. It was just something I observed. You know what I'm not saying anything, I'm not is that going hard by being honest about what I observed. No, I've heard you say way more aggressive. That that sticks out of my fresh memory because I mean, that's yeah, that's that's not as bad as what you said. Mister lay did about Yeah, I'm just saying what I saw.

I'm not knocking you, but you said going hard. I don't understand how that's going hard. I don't have a problem such as how we didn't we didn't have it. I've never called I said, say a woman, I prefer James to run me down. Then this pretty young lady that I've never called him a faggot. I am letting you know. I was in his presence on numerous occasions, and he had a practice where when he took states, you would like to beat bare back, no clothes on.

He would like to highlight with the lights his tattoos, like the muscles and ship in his back, and in front of a lot of people all the time he would get these motherfuckering tattoos oil and it was two niggas used to rotate or hallem pretty shot. Well, bodybuilders do that too when they compete. I want you to also to realize, like just right now, if you was finning takes a picture, you want it or it was

us for here, who would oil your back? Nigger. What I'm telling you is he used to have female dancers. Olivia was there. Um, there was wardrobe females. There was a multitude of females available to hook him up, but for some reason he would just roll with the homies. And then Vivica say something about him, said that from her experience, she's not sure he's hetero sexual. And he tried to explain what she might mean and said, because he enjoyed her having oral sex in his anal, that

she considers him gay. That's what he said. I actually remember you talking to about this on your channel, and tell everybody what's your channel? Is something Spider most easty backslash YouTube dot com and in the basement somewhere when the black box, Yeah, he got you gotta tap into the black Why the hell is Spider look at when he does his chan black box? Man, it's like a torch room or something down Man, it gets really in

the black box. We keep it facts with feeling, We keep it a google You all welcome he speaking on that. That's another CEO. That's something else that those two CEOs have in common, like people playing with the ain't know, Wow, never heard of that. She put it out there. Now we're talking about tauson salads now? Is that the topic of the show right now? I thought, because actually, let me let me clarify that. But it's from a female too.

To think about, is it's not something I'm exposed that I'm not exposed because it's like he heard of and I heard females say that as well. Okay, well, James goes in on Sugar all the time. He got not nice to say about. Now, Well, a couple of weeks ago, you went in on him. Well, I went in because a month ago I was gonna write this catal letter, you know, trying to you know, fix you know our problem. I know it can't be fixed. You know the damage is done. But he used to pain a little bit.

I got questions for Sugar that I need answers to, you know what I'm saying. So I reached out the reds Let me get his hook up so I can sit down and write in something, let him know what's on my mind and why I feel the way I feel a body. So I was gonna do that, and then I hear he said, oh, shoot talking ship. Okay, shoot talking ship while in jail. You know I'm not

doing I'm not doing. He can talk shit in there and and with everybody, Compton, whoever, everybody know when I talked Ship, I talked Ship to Sugar in his face. So I can sit right here and say, Nigga, you're a bit. If I saw him to morrow in the neighborhood, you're a bitch nigger and and that's it. And that's it, like with the you know, the majority of the mother cats. You know what I'm saying. But I choose to just close the door on that dude and and everybody else

that's you know, rocking that ship. You know, it's been seventeen twenty years. I'm still winning for Nigga to say a word to me, you feel me. And it's been seventeen since my brother been going that that. I've been sitting here waiting for it. Go On, go on, Jay, let's sit down and talk. I ain't I ain't talk to none of them. It's like I wasn't silent. I ain't sunk with none of them. Catch since uh at a bunch of passed. UH did a little few things

with which should to keep ship right? And after that I bounced. You know, it wasn't worth it for me. Reggie, what do you think of the idea of him writing a letter to sug Well, I was all foreign. I could give him the address and everything, but then as as you as as I just got word back from things and people, was like the nigga doing that bit ship again. Rench. So what what would you what would that letter look like James? Well, it would just be basically me, you know, getting at him on a whole

bunch of wives. You know what I'm saying. And you really expect answers from him? Yeah? Yeah, And I think he would have. He would have tried to call the people, call a bunch of the homies to explain that. He would have called James some of that. But you know, there's a lot of ship that I told sure that he shouldn't do. And this is where we shouldn't be. We ain't gonna last long getting down like this farthest business whatever. You didn't come in here as against it.

You don't want to leave his motherfucker like a gagster. But he chose that road and it's just where you wind up back. Uh. I would have loved to write the letter to him and and and just just get that. No, I don't want to. I'm not going right now, nigger that field the way he feel. I mean, he can kiss my aunts. Man. So I'm I'm cool on that, and I pretty much don't even want to mention the sugar night. No more Sugar is doing sugar, James doing James.

I'm gonna leave that as that and not say anything bad about Shug. I've seen his son on YouTube. He's trying to revive death row. Well, but the things that I say, the things I said about you, what about these people listening like Seretha some things I said about the sugar it affects Seretha. So I don't want to keep talking about him and ben't hurting her. She just that's his wife, that's I mean, she that's how well, Yeah,

he's you know what I mean. But at the time, Sarita was like us, nothing but respect because of you've married the ship and it went beyond that. I mean, she was just like the home girl. She was just that's si, you know what I'm saying. She never been out of never got out of line, never said nothing disrespectful, and none of the cats that I know of Andy never said nothing disrespectful to her. So she was she

was good. But me talking like that, I mean, you know, the kids might say, oh my daddy, like this or why this dude keep calling my daddy a bitch and my daddy don't do nothing. I mean, let me just leave Shig alone. It's a waste of time. Now, Red, you used to visit should when he was in prison the last time. Do you plan on making any visits to him this time? Why not? I don't have that

relationship with him anymore. I don't, you know, Like I said, I don't heard things, and I know a lot that's going down that's been saying, and I don't appreciate it. The one good thing that I like that he got got you got his son. Uh shook a little shop, Uh shook. Jacob Knight. He's not Ship Knight Junior. I don't know why people keep saying that because your name is marrying unite. But anyway, I like that he's saying that. He stop saying that bullshit. That's tupacas a lot of stuff.

If y'all noticed, is his latest interview, he really, you know, stop saying that bullshot. And spite of you had a relationship with Shock for a minute. Uh, how do you reflect on on that relationship? Man? You know, and it's all sitting downe. I don't find any sense you didn't

have anything negative and said about my experience. I feel like I probably appreciated more hungsight than I did when I was actually going through it, being real apprehensive not to succumb to none of the ship that you hear about Shook pulling on people. So anything that wasn't great to me was awful. But when I look back, I could kind of see that Shugar was a little more straightforward, and a lot of the people that are a lot yeah in the business that are not as obviously who

apparently um not as aggressive as him. They had a lot more cut though than should have. We heard the last from should since he's got to do twenty eight years. I heard some su will be back. But does it matter though, my That's that's the whole thing about it. I mean, if you're gonna walk away from the situation, walk away from it. Why we're doing this podcast? Why do we have to talk about ship? Its name come up, his name come up. But I'm not gonna keep speaking

on Shook. I didn't say that all I had to say. There's no more words I can choose to to destrive him, to to make him look bad, to anything. So it's waste of time for me. And I think when his name come up, I'm just gonna flip the mic and just sitting and go to sleep because I'm tired. I'm tired of talking about They're gonna be bringing up death Row questions and Sugar Night questions for years to come.

I mean, death Row Records was probably the run they had was the largest, most successful record company probably in American history. So how are we not going to talk about that for the next ten out even outdo it in the future is not to take away the fact that it was the first of its kind, so that's going to always be revisited. And I don't even know if we really credit Sugar for the success of Death Row.

I think I think we kind of overcredit. That's what I'm saying, we overcredit for for the success because I'm sure there's a lot of people behind the scenes. It's more than part of this death Row machine. More so than a lot. There were quite a few, a few, a couple that were quite they experienced that of success, and that's saying genre music postsha a couple of people, but but but none of them owned their masters and all of that until and started only their masters and

all that until he taught them about that. You know, I look at t D and I know they learned from death row, but they do know they don't they don't their masters. I bet I don't know the specifics of it. But TDE right now is on a really nice run. So um, next question, James, you did security for Snoop DOGG. Yeah. I did the his trials murder trial and the way I got there and should call me and man, I need you to get some of

the homies. That's with the business, uh Snoop people coming up there threatening and Snoop don't want to come down from the court room and whoop the whoop. So I said, okay, many do you want me to get get about? Yea? So he told me that I charged him for fifteen, but I only have five. I got fair every every every week for fifteen people, and I only had five, and I chose to five that I knew. I was ready to stand there with me if those cats came

up there to bother the Snoop. That was my job to protect Snoop soho by any means if they came up there on my watch. We had had a problems. Well, the question is why why did Snoop have you doing it with the pirous rather than the script friends. They they was pushing up on it. They his homeboys was

pushing up on him at the time. And when they were saying that his homeboys was talking about they want this amount of money or they gonna go and then fuck his trial up and ship like that, should say go up there and make sure they don't get up there. And what was happening is Big Sea Style was his boy and I mean he kept he kind of controlled stuff him and tradeing for the most part, and they couldn't be around him like that because Big Sea Style

is Snoop. Bill almost got revoked where he end up getting put on house ar us because they got into a traffic a role rage as we know today incident where uh and all through the female police officer said that Big Sea Style pointed a gun at her and um and you know, doing the role rage and they was trying to revoke revoke his bill where they just put him on house arrest and so he was pretty much banded from hanging around guys like that is what eventually happened while he was out on bail and and

so none of his two main guys was able to do it. So now you've got all the other snakes that was used to pushing up all snoop from his neighborhood. I was trying, you know, now I know where he at. You know, he end up at cann right now. So I can't go up to the canal or whatever, but I can come up to the courthouse and I need this. You know, maybe getting pushed up, they get pushed up on, even if it's a thousand dollars or whatever. But when you're fighting for your life and all that, you don't

need that stress in your life. And so what James was there for just to keep that stru saw all of us like while he was up there fighting for his life and trying to deal with the fight. So what was the process? Did you go pick him up or would you meet him in the north? I met his his pops and whoever he had with him. When they came. We was at the door. We walked to the door, walking to the elevator. They went up. I never went to the floor where he doing his trial.

That was their business. When he came down, I was at the elevator we walked out the door to the lot. He got in his car, then him we went and did us. That was only that was my job. What were the lunch breaks? Like? It was every time they took a break, we said in the in the cafeteria, he probably went with his pops and did whatever. He's sitting there A couple of times came in and kicked it. But Snoop was cool. I'm just I'm not there. Damn, I gotta clean to this cat. Snoop was over there

where I could see him. And when he walked and my boys had him, I'm walking on the side when they're doing them pictures. I didn't want to be a part of the pictures I've seen in the picture, so I walked side to the side of him. As long as they did their jobed they was good. So you must be in some of the footage of him. And if I am, they're lucky they come me. Yeah around. So how was you able to get away with bringing five cats but charging for fifteen. Well, when any time

Shill came up there, I got wound. Wound him over here, then right here it happened, and and and I always had a plan. If they do come and we get this altercation. If we have altercation in the parking lot, you gotta go this way that way. So I told Shell, Yeah, I got uh Sam them right here on the corner over there, just kicking it in the car. And then I got them over here. I got five over year. So if they if they try to leave, even come up here. Everybody doing the job. We got him. And

ship wasn't coming to court every day every time the weeks. Yeah, and did you get to meet Johnny Cochrane, He wasn't on the case. Then he went on. He got shogned, dog off. I thought, Johnny Cochrane defended this is a different this is not this is just murder case. But it was four of them, four attorneys on their case. Two of the defendants got this dismissed prior to it going to trial. And and and when I said, I didn't deal with none of them, I didn't deal with money,

none of that. Malik, the co defendant Milick was the actual shooter. Yeah, he put that by yourself, hustling the snoop? Did he When he walked into the court room, he was cool, kind of collective. He already knew he was going home. Malick used to play football. He was good. It was good. But karate as well, that was just Yeah. Yeah, I guess Malik did his job as a security right, but end up getting charged with a murder. Well they hunted, yeah, yeah,

they Their problem was they went back. Yeah, that's all. That's all I want to say on that. Hey, you still did we get into it and then okay, if I deal something with you right now, then I may justify. But if I leave and then come back, you know, has a different way of allowing self defense. But if you and I get into a fight and you pull a gun on on me and threatened to shoot me, and then you leave get a gun, and then I go get a gun and I see you a block

away and I kill you, is that self defense? Reggie the first? But okay, the lawyers, when you pull that gun out for me and I left, I was supposed to go and do what calling the motherfucking police, that's what the law is. That's but that's not they ain't the law. But that's for a reasonable person, and that's what you' supposed to do. Especially after you go and you go get a guy and come back and shoot them, then it is like, why you put yourself in that situation?

Why didn't you just leave white people. I'll give you one reason why, Because I don't know if you're coming back. I could go on myself. I came back to the park and hunting me down with that guy because we didn't know if he was coming back. We didn't know if that guy was gonna come back and say come back. I didn't say it happened where I was standing at. I went to the park and hunt you. Now you're using the word hunt like they drove to the park.

They were living in some apartments down here and they went to the park. Well, the guy that was killed was an aggressor at some moment, at some previous moment. Right now you put you were cause right now you're going on me and I go to my car, get im going to come back and do something to you. Yeah, I got that self defense for me. Look I would say yeah, because you don't know what I'm gonna do to you. Five minutes, I need to get my ass in the car. They're are going to get in the

gun and get my car and leave. The police are allowed to gun people down because they thinked something's a threat. Immediately not go and then go to the station and or go away to my backup for the police. If the police. Yeah, the police, Yeah, I'll see them getting indicted and getting the rested. The only one in the world they've seen it. One just got indicted, got I'm convicted. Recently, they always said, I'm not saying they're getting I'm not

saying they're getting convicted. Yeah, whatever, whatever they're going. I'm not saying that they think. But they are getting arrested more than what they're not enough, not nearly enough to even report them going through arrest. You know people last question they hate right now. That was very tricky and in the state of California. I've sat in on a lot of trials and I've beat a chelf defense case. I murdered in California. Yeah, yeah, come cold, me and

my little brother who's police and oil shares. No, I wouldn't get the police. No, But I mean who was the resting agency coming police back in the day day that was man, Yeah, yeah, I know you want to be nine four No, I think it was not. Yeah, ninety just as many brothers in Compton in l A. I had a cat following a little was the neighborhood trying to trying to robbed me from my car at

a Cadillac. So this older guy had these three younger guys in the vand with him trying to and making them get out, holding you up, taking the card and bouncing. So this is one of the reasons why we we actually beat the case because when they met us in front of the house, the guy got out and the first thing he did was popped. So when he shot, we let him have it, and then he drives them straight to the hospital. But not knowing we got police

running around here already around the corners. Woo whatever, and um, we go to jail. We're sitting in jail. It's like, God, damn, we gotta motherfucking murder. Two attempted murders, three attempted murders. The driver and the three guys. One guy is dead, he's fifteen, the other guy is sixteen, the one the other one is seventeen. The guy that is driving the car is thirty five something like that. What happened was

they gave him the murder. M hm. They gave him the murder for that's the same reason that the roles in jail now I think that guy should have never Michael. Yeah, he's he's the only survivor of the four. It was the stones, the two guys versed the two guys Anderson, but you know they overturned no cases. Now they got something with the Stony murder rule where they letting people out. There's some new uh law they called the nineteen rule. Nineteen. Yeah, Michael,

he should get out. He should have never been charged with the murder. Then the gun he used wasn't even his. He grabbed the other guy's gonna save his life and gets hit with a murders. Go to our last question, three murders? Did they talking with three? But the reason is why? Because yeah, but that's my boy, Michael Roger last question of the day. I think Reggie, you might know a lot about this, but what really happened to

Frank Alexander? Now, Frank Alexander was, Yeah, he was worked for me right away to protect the services, and he was one of the security. He wasn't the main one. He builds himself up to he's the most vocal one. He's the most vocal one after two bucks down. But Kevin Hackie was his main one. But anyway, this is a guy that uh obviously was fighting mental illness, and um, I don't want to shoot on nobody with this mental

illness because I understand it's the disease. So you didn't screen the people that was working for right, Well this was later, this was four years later, but he was working for Orange County Sheriff's Department. So he used to be a cop, he used. Uh, well that's what we thought, but we found out he just worked in the jail. I screened him, but I guess I didn't do a

good enough job. But I said it would hard him because he had a gun permitted and he had a badge and idea and all of that, and he looked good. He was you know, he did his job. He was, like I said, he was a good one. He pulled out you know, snooping him when he when the shooting

happened at the trill. They loved him after that. He because you know, the niggles all in there high and loaded and funked up, and he wanted came and ran in there and you know he's experne as well and pulled them out of the trailer and you know made him feel safe. Um. But anyway, um, but what really happened, and the question is is, ah, how did he die?

Is what they really want to want to know. And this is a guy that was being vocal and saying this and saying that because he was trying to make money off of DVDs and and stuff like that got caught off with the fame and all of that. But it's quite quite easily explained what happened. He put a gun in his mouth, pull the trigger and blew his

brains out in front of his wife. What why someone would be saying, I'd say the depression, that you gotta be depressed, or um, you gotta have some type of mental illness in my opinion to do you ever see signs that he was not balanced? Yeah, when he started lying on all he got them DVDs while he was working. I'm gonna be honest, he until he got what people started doing DVDs and books after after the fact. Um, he was a straight up dude. I thought he was

straight up. And when it was his last, when did he leave death row? He left death row immediately at the park die because he was the one that left his gun in the car and then have his gun with him and so I immediately had to get rid of him after that, but didn he say that he told him don't bring any remember him saying that we were told by Right Way security, and that's what they were saying. But that was the people that was working inside the club, not the bodyguards. The people there was

two details. It was bodyguards detail. And then there was a guy that was working inside at the nightclub. And I told them, well, you didn't work. You didn't work for me, didn't Yeah. I had told no, don't bring

no gun exactly exactly. And he even said in his book he said the reason why he didn't have his gun is in black and white in his book, is because at the last minute, Tupac I asked him to dry the outlaws in the car and his car was parked um and in self parking, and he didn't want to hold up the entourage until Parky needs to go back to his car to get his gun. He writes that in black and white in his book. And now, how many security was in that entourage that night? If

that worked for you, that worked for me. It was supposed to been too, but it was only one. Kevin Hacky Uh I didn't show up and I wasn't notified that he wasn't there as far as the company was that you be responsible. I'm just gonna ask that how could it? How could have stopped? What could have stopped the shot for the guy that you had to let go? Should have been or could have been more competent? Did The only thing he could have done has been a better eye witness. If I was the only thing I

could have did? What got a license plate script of the car? You know, he could not have gotten an eye on an outcoming watch out, step on the gas and got off if he was been if he had to get off because he was driving, it was he was on officciety was standing with TUPI when Tupac when and got a Orlando. Yeah, he was the one that got them. If you see anything about to happen that he should should He never called me about the company getting paid to do. What were you to ensure that night? Really?

Uh not? Not not same thing, because no company ain't gonna say I can make sure you go home alive. Ain't nobody go anybody tell you that it's some bullshit? Y'all believe that about your security? Y'all need to do you think that Yeah, but you're not even pledging the return fire all of that. I said he should have been able to do that. I said he would for not bringing this guys the company. You cannot put that on an employee, I posted the man that never go

with that. You know, you knowed to know that you cannot. That would not work in the arbitration whatever that know. I think that the way the Cadillac just pulled up on the side along the entourage with no one questioning what's this car doing? Who's in that car? Oh, these dudes aren't with witness security. He eating my question. But if you ain't got his heat questions, you gotta have a heat with you. Security. That's what you'll think about. Security is supposed to be there because as soon as

the window. The only reason I'm mention this because you guys already talking about not having his gun. So that don't can I do when you hear some gunshot if you have four security, Oh we had all that up. Yeah, if that wouldn't happen, But that's not how. You don't know which bullet from You don't know if the first bullet, the second bullet, the third bullet, the fourth, fifth, the sixth.

We don't know that, but it wasn't. It wasn't just right way guys there, we had ten here the idea, I mean because it's because it's stupidity in my mind, because I haven't seen presidents and everything gets shot up in a car. He ain't saying no, no, I'm not even tripping on that. I'm just trying to say, but I had there was ten. When the president dies on their watch, you all take respond say, but what can you do? What can you do? But we had we had ten of fifteen other homeboys that was armed and

in the entourage as well. And what did the first thing they did? The neighborhood dropped the ball, They dug the security. They are done and they chased them down. Here you is, you got a tupac in the car. I just had a fight, which you shouldn't have never fought in the front first place, because he didn't even know that the cat that took off on Trey Bonds he from Compton. You ain't never hung in Compton. So how do you know what you're doing? You don't, but

somebody was in his ear. They should have took him. Yeah, because he takes off like Okay, go ahead, because because the way you make it seem like they could have grabbed him and stuff like that Poc took off. No, I don't say that they shouldn't grabbed him, but he was of em. But I'll go ahead. I'm gonna hear what even even if Tupac did do what he do with Intlando, in this situation happened, Tupac shouldn't win the

other way. They should have took Tupac that way and should that way, and the entourage should have kept or after Oh they did, they got, but they got. They did what the children night and and Tupac riding in the garden in front of the damn entourage in front of the pack. Now, out of twenty cars, we allowed as one car to come up on the side on the fighting night in Vegas. Need money back, quarterback, boy,

Now they know just right is down here? You know how I told him to The south side was down there. Now you know how do they come down here and then get on the side and then bounce? I don't think nobody expects know he would say it's easy to money money morning, quarterback. I was disagreeing it is, but it seems to irritate him to the point even if

the twenty years. So even though he initial question, where do you feel like you bear some responsibility, he was adamant with a note, I think it's obvious, there's no I think that there should have been at least three armed security in that normally, but it was there was one author. Yeah, that weren't from you, but you gotta remember number one. They just came from a prize fight that had fift tickets and all of that. They had the people who went to the fight that they wanted

that to fight with him. That was the homies. When none of my security offer to go but free to the thing. I could have went if I want to, but we had other priorities going on, which was the club. People will say, well, well, because you didn't expect that to happen. It wasn't that I I would have expected the fifteen dudes. That was what the over me. And so it was like he said, the fight night, all

the excitement, you know, that beef happened right there. The fact that they're not in confident or Hollywood expect to exactly how much time passed, how much time it lapsed from pocketing Orlando to getting shot on and they went to look at you. Not expected, not expected that quick exactly? Why not? Yeah, I'm kind of like in Vegas on the strip and all that. Wait a minute, hold up, hold up, and I'm gonna speak for the thug nigger because of the thug motherfucker got that mentality. I let

the rapper beat me up. I'm on the strip looking for but wait a minute, give me a second. Now, he didn't expect to run into the entourage, but going up that Las Vegas hit these fools is right in right that you feel me. He just said that. In this book, he claims he wasn't come there to do no shooting and think he was coming to talk. But I think that's what he's saying. I think I think at the t yeah, I think at the time of

the shooting, that's what he saying. I think that he didn't get his ass with Mando, did man, But he controlled a little the young Netfield control. I don't think he had no control, but he something. Will you take that kind of ass the man? I know they need to be. He's bad. There's no wait. I didn't even call him bad. I said. I'm saying I said he was. No, you used the word of control. When you take that type of a beating. There is no control in that

type of nicked. You wouldn' got that would have got in the car with. So you don't think he I don't think so either though, to be honest, But you don't think they were coming up there? He say they were coming up there to talk and try to howlt him and say hey, why did y'all just do this to my nephew and all that. You think, okay, okay, I'm just saying, but you think they came to the club.

We're gonna do something at the club six six, Now, I would would have been more expected didn't get caught in traffic two hours later, Rando, how many homies was that the six six to that night? Oh it's probably about forty probably, But but but just thinking if they ain't that, they wouldn't have came up because he ain't stupid. He wasn't gonna come to six six, said his book what he said. I didn't say that. I don't believe that either, because just okay, I'm gonna walk in here

with all these blood. Yeah, yeah, I don't like that. You ain't gonna get out of there. I no shooting. It's for y'all, three of them. Juan already in the car, scared. I don't want to do nothing of corneil Oka ready to go. Now, why I didn't, I got what the money background, They wouldn't with the business like that. Well, he said Big Dre wasn't. And he said Corey, He said,

Corey pictures out. What do you say from from what I hear showed, it's just you and your nephew, y'all ain't walking up in six six too, and and gonna go confront ship. They said they had big Meat with him there and they came up there to put us some work. And I'll just say, what you know, you from Detroit. I know how it would have been there. I laugh every time I hear say he was coming. No, he don't say he was. He said he was parked in the parking lot Club six to for two hours.

Is what? In a van? He said it was in a van, but he said they were. He said big Meat from Detroit, and all of that was. We could talk about this for four hours. I had one more fact checked out big Meat from last week. I had um I had asked I wonder if anyone had ever got off of California's death row before. I looked it up, and there are five people that have been on California's death row that have been that are now free. The last one was released in two thousand and eighteen after

being charged with the murder in Ny. He was latinos He did twenty five years in there. And the other four let me just say their names real quickly. Patrick Croy was released in in two thousand and five for nineteen seventy nine murdered. He did twenty six years. He's an out free. Oscar Lee Morris did seventeen years on on death row. He is now free. None of them related. Troy Lee Jones did fourteen years on death row, and the last person is Ernest Graham for nineteen seventy six murder.

He was exonerated. So there are five people that used to be sitting on California's death row that are now free. Uh, Spider, look, I want to thank you very much for coming down. Man. I think we could say he has an open invitation whenever he's got something on his mind. And check out his YouTube channel. In that Black Dungeon torture, the black box man bottom line product. He keeps it a Google every time, and I really, I really mean that he does keep it a Google. He's one of the smartest

brothers from the streets that I know. And I want to thank everybody to listening to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. Good night, good morning, and good afternoon where ever you're listening from. Out of this has been a digital show. Much network rooducks here.