Prison Is Big Business

about time I got tired over the course. This is another episode of a gainst the chronicles. I'm sitting in. I'm norm Steel. You may have saw me on the first two episodes, first two or three episodes, wasn't it? First three, first three episodes. Now I'm back in the saddle again with my man, James, holding on to my man. Regy right, the third reg right, the second return by Regie right, second returns home. So what's been going on

with you James? When this quarantine? Man? Oh not man standing out to win everybody and and I'm doing my part to to stay alive for sure, and we are practicing social distance people. I actually just had a big dart batter mask on and take it off to get you guys this amazing content. Um, I didn't quite sign right with that, and I was trying to make it work, but it didn't work, so they had had me take that off. So now we're back. Um, it's been a lot of stuff going on. We just had an amazing

interview last week with Warring g Oh. Yeah, I dig that man. That dude. He he enlightened me on a lot of ship I didn't know. You know. Uh, it's just crazy how they come up starting from nothing and then they get to the point where where you at now, but then not without help, you know what I'm saying, And then just to make through that, and then you had all of these people around you that I could have had you where you was at, where you wanted to be, way ahead of time exactly. It didn't happen

that way. I bet you should really trip that on not getting that dude though. Man, that was a big loss for death Row for a lot of a lot of people that the right artists that wanted to come to death Row didn't come. Sug had a certain ear and knew what he wanted, and he turned down a lot of money. He turned down a lot of people that was gonna make money. Well, man, yeah, he turned out a whole lot of stuff. Man, But you know what the warrings, he probably wound up in the best sixtuations.

He went on the deaf jam and went on to do some amazing things. Um, I was looking the other day, man, and I don't know how we missed this man. Gentlemen by the name of Matthew Charles. Man Matthew Charles was a longtime drug dealer from North Carolina. Charles was convicted of selling grahams of crack and illegally possessing the gun. Labeled a career offender because of previous conventions evolving drugs, weapons, domestic violence, breaking the homes, assault, kidnapping, and larceny, he

was sentenced to thirty five years in prison. Charles turned out to be a model inminate. Authority said he organized the Bible study, mentored other prisoners, and took college courses to become a law clerk. Charles applied for early release several times, and the federal judge granted it to him in two thousand and sixteen. Once started prison, Charles continued his mission to turn his life around. He moved to Nashville, got a job as a driver, and volunteered as a

food at a food pantry. He also started dating again and reconnected with his family, but federal persecutors fought the jay Is ruling an appeals court degree that Charles did not qualify for release because he was a repeat criminal offender and ordered him back to prisoner, serving estimated nine more years. He surrendered to a prisoner Kentucky last May. At the two years of freedom, he said he refused to be bitter. You know. Eventually they went and gave

the guy's freedom again. Um, they let him back out, and think January I from not mistaken. They let him back out of jail aft to put another appeal in. But just imagine what an incredible mind funk that would be for you to be in prison. You already got your mind set to do these thirty six years, right, they left you all after twenty and you go home and this man will third him of life. He got him a girlfriend, got him a job, He volunteering some places.

Looks like the looks like he was really back on point, you know what I mean? Well, after two years. Yeah, he got his ship together and then they got to look at it. If he ain't committed a crime within that time to violate at least violate and then put him back in there, then that's like some double jeopardy ship that it don't make no sense to leave him on the street for two years and then say you don't you don't qualify, You don't qualify for something. Why

are they working with him? He looked like an older dude, so it don't make no sense. And then he did another nine years. Yeah he didn't. Well, actually he was in there. I think he did another not quite nine years, and I think he did another five years and they let him back out again. Um, it's like a thing. I would think that he was entitled to some kind of because they let him back out this past January.

You would think that he would be entitled to some kind of settlement or something like that if he didn't sue. The shot of them man something trying to do that. Uh, it would take them take him a minute to sue and go through all the all the bullshit. But I would have did something because you just can't play with

my life like that. I mean after doing twenty You gotta think it's hard getting out of prison and then coming back into society after twenty years, a whole lot of ship change, and you're stretching your head trying to figure out how I'm gonna get it because everything is against you. You can't go and get a job because after that ninety day background check come, they're gonna fire you, so you can't and keep a job. Then you you're looking at how people has changed. Some sh it. You

can't tyler ate some shit. You just gotta you gotta deal with it. The way people is so just that in itself. Man, it's hard. It's hard. But then they put you in jail and they said they're gonna rehabilitate you. You let me out and I do good for two years. But you're saying I didn't deserve that. He already showed you two years I didn't change, So he should have got a pass on that. Let him continue doing If you put an ankle brisont on him, let him keep

doing what he's doing. Why take him back out of society and then giving five more years that would have broken me to would have pitched me to funk off. Yeah, I don't know actually if I you know, I know a lot of people, I wouldn't want to turn myself back in. But then you're running for the rest of your life, so you gotta worry about that. I can't use my name, I can't go here, I don't want to get caught out. I can drive because if I

get pulled over, then them fucked. Yeah, you just think about though, the actual people, man, like when it happens to you. Because I don't know what I would have did. It's easy to say, me sitting up here today, what I would have done it, what I wouldn't have done, But it would have been hard for me to just voluntarily go turn myself in after these people have set

me free. You gotta think about this dude's mindset because I don't know if you ever get used to the idea, man of doing that much time, you know what I mean. You're sitting up there in jail, man, and you don't kind of just got a custom to what's going on. Then somebody gives you your freedom right, they say you're free, You're free to go, So you leave. You go out there, man, you meet you somebody that you like, You start your life all over again, man, and then they come back

and get you. I would at least think, man, that he was do some kind of settlement. I would think that they settled some kind of way with this man after taking him on that journey. You would think they would think it's only right to do it. But they don't see nothing wrong in it because they wanted came and got him. He did five more years, so they don't think they did nothing wrong. They think they within the law to do you like that, and it's it's just it's just a funked up the way the system

treat you, you know what I'm saying. So to get a taste of his freedom and then get put back in the cage, that's that's the killer part. Yeah, exactly, man. You know the thing he was, man, and they said that. You know, it was a big outrage over the case. Man. They called for President Trump to grant you know, Charles clemency. At the same time, the lawmakers and justice reform advocates

were pushing a rewrite of local drug laws. The result was the first step back, which made retroactive for two thousand teen law easy mandatory minimum minimum sentences for crack offenses. You know, Charles public defenders Mariah Wootten and Michael Holly agreed in December twenty seven court filing that the provision applied to Charles. Prosecutors didn't fight the motion and on January three day rude Charles was entitled to the media release. So they went back and they did right at the

end of the thing. But you just got it. You know, that takes us back to those cracking laws anyway. Man. You know, it's a lot of brothers man that it wasn't just him. It's a lot of people, man that sat down because you think about the whole premise, is just Craig who was selling crack at the time. That was young black males, right, wasn't too many people in Hollywood,

and barely he was selling crack at the time. So you would have dudes, man going to prison for twenty and thirty years just for eight or fifty you know what I'm saying. A zone. It was going to you know, jail for a long time just for a zone. But you would get a guy caught with some powder. You can't get caught with two officers of powder and do way less time. Don't you think it was kind of racially motivating at the beginning. Yeah, I think everybody, everybody,

white boys, Michigan's everybody was getting caught with that ship. Um, everybody started going out of town back in the days when you was going out of town and set up shopping whatever. I don't look at it like that. Everybody, I don't give a what race she was was was was selling the dope. If you don't think the crack was in Beverly, Here's that's where it was right here. It was just coming into our neighborhoods. But but all the let's say politics, all the rich cats was on it.

But a lot of them was just doing the powder, you know what I'm saying. And then when they got to the to the rock ship, the rock just blew everybody fucking mind. And that's when you start seeing the crackheads and ship. But a lot of people out this way and the good areas was doing blow. Yeah, well that's what I'm seeing. It's like I think that the correct you know, Craig hit the black community way harder.

James the black community way harder. You know. And don't get me wrong, you had white boys hustling, you had Mexican people hustling. Everybody was getting the hustle on, but the majority of times with some crack came up. Man, it was affecting the brothers a lot. It was just effect. It was hitting us different. Were the ones getting caught with a little bit of ship. They wouldn't sending Kingopians the prisoner Kingpians. Wasn't the ones getting the fifteen or

twenty years sentences. It was the lower level catch that was on the corner. Yeah, it was. It was the ones that was like, like us just just got uh introduced to the ship, and then now we're on the block. We're selling cocaine, we're game banging, we're doing everything on the block with cocaine. So it made it even even harder for us because now they're hiring all these different new cops, these different task forces to try to control it,

you know what I'm saying. So in between all of that ship, Motherfucker's was going to jail but for murder because nigger started killing Motherfucker's for it. The paper Motherfucker's was making money and was getting killed for it. So it changed our ship big time. They time. So yeah, it hit us hard because so much came with it

so much. So much change came with the cocaine. You know, homies stopped being homies to respect the loyalty, the friendship, and all that ship went away because now everybody is out for themself and they see how easy it is getting that money. You know, some some of us had to dish in ourselves from the homies because the homies then't like yes anyway, and you knew you was a target because you're making money, you know what I'm saying. So it was it was, yeah, it hit us, It

hit hard. Yeah, you know that the particular thing. Man, I just remember about the crack eraor man, I remember because I'm really from Cleveland, Ohio, and I remember going back to the house. Man, just going back. Um, you know you used to see the guys. Man that was rolling hard. They had to do some the quarters on datings and stuff like that, and you went back. Man, I'm saying, dudes, Man, you see them do as they walk in the streets. They're looking like hoboes, now you

know what I mean. Only only because you know they used to say, don't test your own product. And some of them when when harder the pain when they first got it, it was easy money. And then you get with a certain chick that probably doesn't smoked on that ship before, now you on it, and everybody couldn't smoke that ship and be cool. Yeah, for real, man, I don't know too many people. I don't think I knew anybody they could try, correct, man, and just come up

off of it just like that. I'm pretty sure with somebody somewhere that experimented with it, man and came back. But it was a whole lot of us. Man, They pretty turned motherfucker's in the zombies. Let me tell you, man, when in in eighty eight one rocking and ship and and I'm gonna tell your story, man, we was in our garage rocking ship big as mine, age jar one of the Homeboys rest in peace, swirling the motherfucker thing blew up. Pop. We got cocaine all on the motherfucking

panels in the garage, on the walls. And this is the first time I've ever seen them straight that the ship off the wall, crunched it up and a primo they called it. Back in the days, everybody tried to promo. Everybody was with smoking on prerolls, drinking their photies and quotes or whatever superstar going jen doing a damn thing, but was able to function and party. And it was good when they started stepping on the ship and started putting and doing all different types of shipped to it.

That's when you're seeing the demons and seeing when they started smoking and ship the jaws and ships sucking in so from the beginning, and then you start seeing that cocaine change being stepped on so many times. That's when you see that people just start reacting to different into it. Man. And you know, I don't seen the Mama's, the unchanged, the sisters, brother everybody. So it didn't it didn't have

a a favorite that was anybody. And after let's say eighties, six, eighty seven, eighty five on up that people just wasn't the same and people the affected to on people was just like crazy. You were feeding for the ship instead of being high and ship and just you know, being able to keep back and relate to what was going on. And when that changed, everybody started looking and and doing whatever. Coin man, Yeah, you had people, man, People's appearances would change. Man.

You had keys start being left body self with the creb. Man, it just got real real ugly during a certain time, man, And you know, and I even bringing that to you know today. Man, the crack eventually played out. You still got a few people around the hood. They're still smoking crack, you know what I mean. But for now, man, the biggest thing I see now with these kids, these peels, man, these um you know, they start off with the vicatins, man,

the percocets and all this other stuff. So we're kind of seeing it like the correct This is known as I guess the Opius generation. Man. We was more like the Craig generation. This would be the Opious generation. Man, because you got these guys man that I think hip hop made that drinking that surup and all that stuff. I wouldn't blame drinking serve on hip hop. They was doing that ship back. He's these cats out here was going out there. They got the win of that ship

and they started doing that ship out here. And now there's just the thing to do. I don't think rapping introduced them to it. Motherfucker's was getting down like that already. Oh yeah, they was. But you know what, though, Man, I'm a product hip hop. I love rapping. I can't blame rapping. I'm not necessarily blame rap man. But way anet walking around in the double cup. Damn it didn't make a lot of people that didn't know nothing about

that start thinking that was cool. Man. I wouldn't even say people was was doing that ship sipping on the scissor. But on that ship before little Wayne, Little Wayne saw somebody do it. Now he started doing it, and it took effect to him totally different how it do other motherfuckers. Some motherfuckers can do that ship all day and and and be cool. Some cats just take it and be how to their mind with it funked up every every every drug that they got out there. Some people can coach,

some people can't. Some people got the tolerance, some people don't. Yes, what is for the most part, man, because all of that stuff is really like when you start getting the opius and stuff is really heroin. Man. It's all come down to man. You know here when it's a hard rug to kick, man was crazy though. The only thing hard to kick than hero when the cigarettes. I think cigarettes is hard. I ain't never no, but there is

the most the second hardest thing the most get. But let's you know, let's go back to this guy, man, So you figure it was some people that didn't want him by the jail man. They figured he shouldn't be back on the streets. So that's how he wind back up in jail man. And you know, when you think about it, man, I think in this particular taste, that guy did deserve a second chance. Manswer the question I asked Man, Me and you both come from cities that

were ravaged by drugs used by the drug trade. Right, the violence. It wasn't just the things, it was the violence because you figure once cast start making that money, now you got brother against brother, Homie against homie, and everything is this. Should they let a lot of them cats back on the streets. Do you think a lot of them people deserve get clemency? Well, man, I say the majority of all of them should get it, because I think that a lot of us are are being

over shins. But I'm gonna go back, and I'm like this, if I did my time, If you give me fifteen years, I did thirteen and a half. When I get out, I should be good. I paid my debt, I paid my debt to society. I shouldn't have this problem. I shouldn't have this problem. But I don't care what black man, go to jail and get out of the federal penitentiary,

or just stay. You're gonna have a problem this ship. Finally, I'm fifty five years old and still still ain't voted, and I've been out of prisoner from from being released from prison, I couldn't do nothing but be a security guard. And every ninety days they knocked my ass back and you fired. So whether you lie on that on that apvocation or you tell them the truth. If you tell them the truth, uh, we don't need you. Wow. So

you you you locked up when you come home. You blocked out a society in a sense, you can't do nothing. So let me ask you what do we do if if you don't want you don't want me to work. I got a kid down the baby mama filed child support on me. How the hell I'm gonna pay child support by the time I do get a job, which my kid is thirteen, fourteen years old. Now I'm holding sixty seventy dollars to child support. So I go to work. I'm able to file chexes. Now now they're taking my money.

Now I'm I'm feeling way worser and lesser than the motherucking man, because I can't eat because I'm paying all of this I'm doing, I'm doing everything. I'm paying society still and I didn't. I didn't pay you all for my time, for my mistake, but you still pay for it when you when you release, when you get out. So it's just the system is just so fucked up and it don't help us at all. So don't tell me you put me in jail to to rehabilitate me, because when I get out, you ain't helping me, and

then you want to put me back in there. That's what parole is for. If you if I'm living above my means, if if I get a car, where you get this mother phone? You ain't been at longer enough. It's eighty eight and you got a motherucking uh uh A ninety two A ninety No, you you can't have that. You're living above your means. You can't be in a certain place. You can't go and live in a certain place.

So you can't hang around certain people because it ain't there the part when you first get out, you can't hang around the feelings well gang of Felling yeah, no fellas at all. So but when I when I got out of out of the state. One of my conditions was I couldn't get caught with game members. I couldn't well, goddamn my brothers and game members. I can't get caught in the car with them. You know what I'm saying, Cousins, you can't. They got a chill on you. They pretty

much got a hold on you. And that's why a lot of cats go back and forth from violations because you can't beat them. Oh man, the probation thing is the biggest trick bag in the world. Man, man, how are you gonna tell me not to be around gang bangers? But on this side of me and on that side of me and the street of gang members. I grew up with these people here and you ray, you come in my house to check and see if if I

got guns or whatever in here in my bedroom. But then my cousin on the couch where you from, I'm from whoo to whoo oh, you got a game bang in here. You're gonna get covered, and they take you to jail just to be shitty, Just to be shitty. It's hard to beat them. And that's why a lot of cats keep going back and forth to prison, because once you go to prison. You kind of fucked when you come home because you don't have you don't know

what to expect. They stay going back and forth. Man, you know, like the thing is, man, that's the biggest thing that you bring a point to the thing just about not being around the fellers. What about if your mama game bang, your daddy a gag banging, your brother, gang banger, everybody pretty much in your house half the time as feelings. And that's what they call self parole. You gotta self parole. Don't parole when you get out.

Don't have an address, you know what I'm saying. Uh, They expect you to go out there and get some type of general relief. They want you to go get some food stamps to something else. They won't let you be a man. They won't let you build your character, you know. Um. And what what's good with me was Shill Night came to my rescue, and I had a good ass baby mama. I had a straight ride of dive baby mama. My son Mama was at every prison I got rolled up to and and she was there

to pick me up. She had her own ship. She never did no county, and I didn't have to worry about paying the county back. Real good show. If Nick ain't got a straight backbone when you come home, you out there by yourself. Yeah, let me ask you this, James. When you was in prison, how long did you do? I did two years and three months. Two years and three months. So she came straight to your rescue. He came to you, of course, and the rest is history.

Came to you saying he needed you. Yeah, and that's when y'all kind of got your thing going, because without you, he wouldn't have been able to make some of the moves he made. I think, and I still say this, when she came to me, she'll had a purpose. I didn't know what it was at the time. I was and and I don't have no more grapes. I was enjoying my freedom and the ship that he introduced me to. I was loving it. I'm fresh out, I'm good. You

know what I'm saying. And you know, if she would have just left me alone, and I'd have probably been bad married to my first time mother, I probably would. It would have just had the weather the storm, because she had no you ain't gonna do this, We ain't gonna We're gonna do this. But you know that penitentiary propaganda bullshit. You oh baby, we're going to church, we will will. Didn't happen that way. As soon as I stepped foot out, that motherfucker. It was only cracking. The

first thing you want to do. You want to get something to drink. You wanna fuck, and you want to go see what the homers doing. I don't care what you're talking about in prison. And I said, I'm not doing none of that, and you can't. Soon as you came back, he was just right back on the blade. Then that the knock on the door. You know, I'm I make it to the house that night, I said about that morning before for I even at breakfast, ship was at the door, and uh he asked me what

was going on? Ship nicking fresh out and what's happening? He looked out for me, okay, told me he was gonna come back this one he was going and forth to Vegas. Came and got me to a rod to Vegas with him, like fucking let's roll me and me and a homeboy time time when he kicked with him. Next thing you know, it was on. It was just on from there, man, like really man so and we didn't gonna turn this back into these things. But I don't think a lot of people know, man, as a

guy that did at that time. Man, do you think that it should wouldn't have came and got you? You You think you would eventually wound up going back in. To be honest, I think I probably would have had a problem. But and then on the other hand, I really don't know, because, like I said, my baby mama she was she was strong, she was solid, and she had me. But how long

am I gonna be able to ride her? You know what I'm saying, Because all of these things I said I want to do and I gotta do and and be good to her and and and love my son and provide. I can't get it out there with her job and her trying to take care of me. What

that made me look like? So that was like a no no. That was like a no no. But then when I got to taste that that that freedom was should Man, I sucked up my relationship, put my baby mama just out there on some other ship, and then I went to I think North Carolina was the first place we went to when I got out, and it was it was just over I was. I was like old boy on Harlem nights. Uh tell your MoMA coming

home no more. I was straight in the streets. So I mean, I made mistakes along the way and and and funked it up. But me and her are real cool now, you know what I'm saying. But you know, she would played a big part in it. I don't know if it would have been well, I do know it would have been different. It would have been totally different because I would have had to I would have had to live like a regular motherfucker. But at that time,

I still had the the gang mentality. I still wanted to be I still wanted to be morm James, and I was still out there like that. And the way the homies was, and the way my brother's and then was, you know, my brother Country was going back and forth to prison, and you know that part of the life. I don't think I was ready to let that go.

Just just chunk the hood out and just you know, now I'm cutting grass and you know, and trying to pay bills, yeah, exactly, and they make it to wear man like I don't know, no man man that wants to live on general relief? What was General releaf like two hun month month something like that. A lot of a lot of cats get content and they're cool with that. Yeah, I mean yeah, I ain't gotta do ship with sit back and smoke weed. It's out there every day and

everybody out there that's listening. No, I ain't bullshit. It's it's just like catch moving in with a chick and she got get foods down and stuff. And you know what I'm saying, And she don't want you to do ship. You feel me, I got this. As soon as she can't pay that bill, she's gonna be like, babe, we need to pay the light bill. And you like what you're telling me for you don't want you know, I ain't got it. You gotta get your sorry ass out.

Now she's bringing you down. So now that's you gotta attack because you know what I'm saying, You gotta be aggressive. So now I'm arguing with you. Now you're telling me to get out your till. But he me, don't realize that the longer you lay up in her ship and be content, that's what you're gonna be. When she put you out, you ain't gonna want to get up and do it. And a lot of us have have fell

into that that. Yeah, it's the biggest trap in the world, man, But that's what I'm saying, you know, So you get out to you on parole, man, you can't hanging around with no homies. You can't go get a job nowhere because they tell you got a record. Now you're on general relief and you're pretty much living with some chicken. This is the same scenario. I see a dude moves in with a bro. She got her section, they crib. She paying, you know, fifty dollars a month or whatever

it was section they give you. Right, she got two or three kids, she's getting a couple hundred dollars for each kid, right, So it's chicken in the pot every night. He get this three hundred dollars a month. He's sitting around smoking weed all day and watching cable TV. And he gets accustomed to that, Like you said, the next when the time comes when they need that bill pay. How can you live in the house with a woman? And then she regulating ship because she paying all the ship.

You you gotta come in, so long as you don't come in at a certain time. Now, no argument ship starts, you know, what I'm saying. So she paying all the vills and you're just sitting there chilling some cash. Are intent like that? But a real nigga that want to get his own ship and have his own ship, letting the homies pick me up and all this other bullshit ain't having it. But we we just get lazy and comfortable. But I'm not gonna depend on this female to take

care of me. I can't. And you know there's a lot of women out there say they'd rather have a half a man than a real man. She lost her motherfucking mind. You don't want the real nig You ain a real bit, you know what I'm saying. So I wouldn't want to be with her anyway, fun taking care of me. I gotta get out here and get my own Now. If you tell me to put that back in your pocket, I'm gonna put it back in my pocket.

Yeah see see you know what I think happens, though, Man, it's a really big trick bag man with just us as black man, because the separation of the family don't been going on for so long, man, because they tell you know, even when the women are on Section eight, they get told they're not allowed to have nobody in the house but them and their kids. A man is technically not supposed to be around for the first time. Yeah, the first time you piss her off, all she gotta

do is make a phone call. This dude is in here and he won't leave. You're going to getting as leaves. So what they're pretty much telling that woman you could push out as many babies as you want to and we go get you. I don't. I don't know whether he knows, so people don't don't. I don't want to see it in the comments, and I I don't know what I'm talking about. Is it three to five hundred dollars a baby or something they have? So you figured woman

got three kids in the house. That's plus she's getting food stamps and all that kind of other stuff, and she probably I think, on the um, what is it on the section, Nate, But they're paying a couple of dollars a month and they create the Yeah, exactly, So she's getting tailored from them. So you got it in that bros here from the time she little where her mama telling her all them news ain't ship. They this

ain't ship. So she don't really need a man in her mind, so the first time she gets one, she's in the position to control almost that kind of you kind of went from from the mama. Now everything is a system norm and you see it every day. The home girl. The home girl got section eight. She got a dude stand with her. But they don't want nobody, no male figure in the house. Why why why this my just my boyfriend because he should be able to provide, right, Okay,

but it's a little deeper than that. What happens when you got the mom and daddy living together and raising their kids. Oh, everything go trying to be righteous? Yeah, you got a strong foundation. You well, now I'm gonna say, Sean, but you have a foundation with without both hairs. You just got the mama trying to raise knuckle heads such as myself. What you have exactly what they want you to have. We I can't keep my job if I don't have nobody to put in jail. If they patrolled

the good and what do they see? They see us? That's why you get some kinds that don't get a column. They block your gass up, put dope on you and all the other ship. I'm going I'm going like like losing myself. But it's everything is a is designed for us to lose, you know, and it's a thing we don't see it. When we see it, it's too late.

When we don't understand it, it's too late. I was I was reading, uh this guy somebody uh a text and I was reading and you know, just listening, and half of the ship that they you know, people say it's crazy. M hmm. Every baby in mama had was none of them was ever on the county, none of them. Um, I don't have nobody to blame pretty much but myself for half of the ship that I did. You know what I'm saying, Because I accepted cocaine over my baby mama.

I accepted gang banion over my baby mama's. You know, if I had got my motherfucking mind right at the beginning, when I first had my first son, then I think I would have been cool. I wouldn't have went to prison. I wouldn't have did this. And and you know, having my son come to prison and see me in prison was the worstest fucking feeling, but it was a good

feeling at the same time. I was able to sing, I was able to pick him up and hug him and watch him running around that goddamn up visiting room, you know, pointing people and tell him that's my daddy, that's my daddy. And it was a good thing. But just to watch them leave it was another thing. You know. It's it's crazy, man. Yeah, well you know what I think, man, I got the biggest behind that. That's why I brought up this guy in the beginning, man, because it seemed

like they wanted them back there so bad. I think prison has turned into a gold mine for these people. I'm looking at this. You know, they're talking about the prison phone industry, and that's a market dominated by several large five the Hill firms that earned an estimated at one point to billion dollars a year. They make one point two billion dollars years just from Nikka's call at home and and the phone because the phone is different. You gotta put the ship on the car now you

can't call collect exactly. And then uh Sherman Sherman Block daughter runs the canteen in the county jail. She she making millions of dollars. She she breaking it up. So yeah, they swished it for them to make money. And then look at what they're doing right now. They have removed the in person family vegetation room to make way for video vigitation terminals, and those are provided by private firms to wishing charges as much as thirty dollars for forty

minutes of screen time. One prison phone company, Securious Technology, says in the marketing materials that this is paid up one point three billion dollars and commissions over the past teen years. So that makes me think, you go back to this Charles guy, right, they let him out of jail, then somebody looks up and says, you messed with my money, and I'll bring that niggas ass back to jail. I don't. I mean, what if he wouldn't getting visits? What if

he wouldn't uh, let's say a productive inmate like that. So, I mean, that wouldn't make no sense to holding back in jail. They had a reason to go you know what. But but they had a reason to go back and get him. But but that's the thing though, It's like we're more valuable inside man than we are out, you

know what I'm saying. Yeah, because it's let's say, it's profitable to have you and and and incrocerated in the county jail, in any any prison, because they found a way to break your family, to work your family out of money, just like selling drugs. Put that money fifty seventy dollars on the card and that should go like this. You don't control the minutes or none of that ship, then the the food. You can't send the package like that. Like out of TVs, everything is through a catalog. Now

whoever control that catalog is making a lot of goddamn money. Okay, check this out. The commissary in prison earned one point six billion dollars last year. So that same dude you're saying, yeah, he might not have got no phone calls, but that motherfucker eat and he works in there. Everybody you're working for. But that's what I'm saying, saying, That's what I'm saying. Them things that they built, and you think they're not making the profit off of them, They the police is

making profits. But you ain't gotta pay number in there that that that's gonna take care of you. You're gonna get your your your probably your hygiene ship or whatever. If you don't have nobody on the our shot to take care of you, you pretty much done in the system. Unless you gotta hustle. Whether you're working from the house or working on your fitness at the gym, you won't work. You're listening to to be what you're listening to, not

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If you don't know how to make frames, if you don't know, if you don't have a hustler in there, your asses out living, just think you gotta wump with the motherfucker's on every day. Think about its ninety five degrees out of here. How to degree ease. But if I want to go outside, I got to wear these boots. Yeah that's real talk. So if if you gotta live in that station ship everything every time you walk, it's gonna remind you where you at. But you got cash

out there living and got their own motherfucking me. I had my own shoes, my my own ship, you know what I'm saying. But it's rough. But they're making a lot of money off of it because they figured the way out. They got a plan. So everything you're doing there, whatever you're doing there, is making them money. Yeah. That's the thing, man. That's why I tell my kids, I

tell all my nephews and stuff. Man, if you can stay out that system, stay out of this this, don't even get started in there, because the thing is, it's almost like they're waiting to trap you know, once they

get ahold of you, they got you forever. Almost have seemed like, you know, you've been very fortunate, James, you know, just you know, some of the stuff that has happened in your life, man, just to be able to make that transit and I speaking to that, so you wanna flay it again when you do that right before the going oh yeah, and in between the quarantine, yeah yeah, flatished. Me and Black became really cool, um, you know, conversation wise, and I mean, you know, we we don't hang out

or nothing like that. Um, you know, father conversation. You know, hearing like me on a lot of ship ship that I don't know, you know, And I was gonna say that earlier. People say you need to do this, and you need to that. You man, read some books. I started reading books. I started paying attention more like Black was saying. Um, a lot of a lot of stuff people say about Black. I listen, But then I don't see that in him. Well, you know the thing he was man, and I ain't gonna get into a big

conversation about Lad. Lad is not Lad is not a bad dude to me. Lad promotes the show constantly. I don't have nothing bad to say about the man. First of all, I don't know him like that like him, but all my interactions with him has been pretty positive. It's one question he asked, though. He asked about the KEYPD thing we were doing. That is going to happen, But so for your information, we are going to do that. You know, let's go do it, but it has to

be at the right time. We are in the middle of a quarantine and we did try to set that meeting up with Keifi a few times before it happening. And he was taking this time getting by it. So it ain't just like it was just on me and James to make that happen. But that is something that's gonna happen, um. And you know, I think, like I told you before, I try to make moves without rushing into things. You know what I'm saying. It has to

be right. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do I'm learning I had no patience whatsoever, and I'm I'm learning that. And I know it's a lot of brothers out there like me that that lives that life and want to change it. And the beginning of it. The whole recipe is you gotta have patience. Sh It ain't gonna change for for us overnight because we still gotta battle out here and then we gotta deal with ourselves. This right here was the worstest part fighting myself, you know what

I'm saying. So it's it's a lot of guys out there, and and I get it in my comments Facebook all that, that's that's man trying to find that way out. But it's hard as your motherfucker. Your way out might not be the same way my way out. It's not hard. You just gotta really like say funk that this is the way for me. I gotta do it. I don't give a funk if he thinking it's fucked up hard,

I'm turning into a pussy. Show me. I'm a pussy, y'all to know what you're that's what you have to find your own way because you know we us are you. I get like at least maybe ten fifteen brothers a week hitting me, man, I got a story? Can I do a podcast? And it's just like I tell him, I say, whatever was James the way yours? Maybe something else different, bro, But everybody just can't go get a podcast and crack off like that. This is a lot of work too. It's a lot of time that goes

into it. It It ain't just like we just come in here and just six we just go in and talk. If it was up to me, I would have told him, hell, yeah, you can do a podcast. You you want to come in and shoot in on the podcast, or you want to just talk about your story, because I guarantee you this is what helped, This is what helps Yeah for sure. Now if they want to come in and be a guest,

I'm more than willing to do that. But what I always like being I always like to help people manage the expectations, right the first step, come in and talk to us. Tell your story if it's something that because right I don't decide who gets a podcast to people do. If we have a guest and somebody is writing in the meet like man, have him on there again, have him on it, then that's when I have to literally say, you know what, maybe it is to make an evest.

It's worth the investment to do it. Because the thing he was like, you know, going back to the Kifie thing. You just told me about that situation with him. How many months before we actually met, maybe two months to three meetings, you know. So the thing it was after while I had to think about as a businessman, think, okay, we're gonna do this thing now if I get this cat some money, is he gonna run off? Is he gonna trail over? You know? How can we do it

to where? Don't is? I'm not an lose either. And one thing about it is um like a lot of people don't know. We're don't talk about the business too much. But James own is a part of against the chronicles. It's not you know, you know, I'm just being real

now because we have to start doing stuff. What I really want brothers to start doing is it's okay to go to different people and do interviews and stuff like that, but learn how learn how to own your own stuff well and and and that's hard to do because I've never thought that I would be in a position. And that's one thing. We got to stop selling ourselves short. But I never thought i'd be in a position to

say I want a part of anything. So everybody is not can't get that break, but the beginning of it, I mean, everybody got their own way and the way it is right there. Chalk about your situation because everybody out there doesn't live this life. The majority of the people. Everybody can't say they pretty much did it rough like that, or or they can't believe that you know, cats live like that. But we all lived a ship and everybody's

story is different, you know what I'm saying. But not to just let everybody know your business or this and that. Like even even the podcast, the first thing I asked, what you want to talk about? What you don't want to talk about? Because I don't want to put you out there and and and put you on the spot. Me and Blair talked to about that type of ship. It's up to me to shay and speak on what what I speak on. If I don't want to talk about it, I'm not scared of nobody. I'm not scared

of Lad. I'll just shut the funk up. So we all have. I ain't even got the right word for it, but we all. I'll make up my own mind exactly, and I and I know how far I'm gonna go, and and and to each his own. Everybody got their own way. And that's the thing. Man. Like I said before and before I say what I'm gonna say, I don't have no problem with Lad. Lad has promoted this show, He promotes stuff. Lad treats me with utmost respect every time we talked. As far as I'm concerning, Vlad is

a good brother. I'm gonna tell you one thing that I didn't like that M and Adam tween two did. I admit Damon Dash could be an asshole. I think Damon Dash is arrogant. I think cocky sometimes, you know. I think he just kind of overtalks itself so much with leads with which may lead the people who want to see him lose. But I didn't like and it wasn't so much just Lad. I don't like the way Adam twenty two and them put him out there about

the fives. I thought that was kind of like, you know, just kind of like it's almost like they got hard on. I don't know what daming him dead to him, but I didn't like that because it kind of made him look a little you know, at the end of the day, I'm always right with my brothers, you know. I didn't like that. I don't know if that was so much Lad as it was versus Adam, but then Adam have

been up there. I don't have personal problems with these guys though, so when people hit us up in the comments, I look at people sometimes it's not saying what the hell is Vlad done to you for you to feel that way about him? You feel what I mean because the old on, because these brothers have a choice of answering these questions when they go up there. I don't see Vlad with no gun and nobody's head making somebody answer some ship. Well, I'm on the same side, okay.

On this side of the table is black. On this side of the table. It's it's me. M Blad has got a platform. Blad want to speak on things and get you to say things. That's gonna boost the views on this show. Yeah. Sure. So if he didn't do that, then how good is this show gonna be? And how many people are gonna view it to say oh that's that's or to see the next clip or whatever. And it ain't gonna happen if you don't get no juices ship. Yeah exactly, you know what I'm saying. So he's doing

what he has to do. It's up to me being to say, Man, I'm not gonna answering that ship. Why are you asking me that it's being good? Because you know all of that mac teen? Right? Um, Me and mac teen was talking another day and he hit me and it was kind of tripped me out because I ain't talking to Mack in a minute. He hit me. It was like, still you see the Lad interview we did And I said, yeah, looked at it a little bit. He was like, man, I wasn't about the answer of

that stuff, and that was his choice. He did this move as hell. You know, Lad asked something, He's like, what did you think? Do you know you know what I mean. So I think it's everybody's choice, and I think lad is pretty much doing his job. He got a platform. If he was on there talking about with everybody, would nobody be looking at that ship? Exactly? So who do you blame when when if I asked you a question and you answer it, that's my fault because I

answered that ship. You know what I'm saying, So however came out of me. That's that's the same perception people gonna get. Yeah, exactly. And that's and that's the thing, man, you know, just going back to all this, I look at this guy, you know, going back to him that we started off talking about now, brought him up just to go back to the point about the prison industrial system about how they like to keep brothers locked up. You know. You know who came to his rescue, right,

Kim Kardashian. Why well, she's the one that brought it up about when they want to put him back in jail. She started advocating for him. And you know, I guess this relationship that that that that um that the wests have with our president is pretty strong, because you know, Trump maybe to where he got to jail after five more years. You know what, I don't know if it was five more years he did. I got to go back and do the research. Maybe we had to bring

the fact check back. Yes, we got research that. I don't know if he did five more years, but he definitely went back to sailing. Did some time. If it was a month, it was too much, you know, it was a month too much, you know, because they just you know, they let their brothers, gave his freedom and then want to drop him back in jail, you know what I mean. Like I said, every time we put our pants on and walk out the door and getting board and some ship's double jeoparty, we we wake up

taking a chance. We wake up in the middle of some ship. You think we have We think we have opportunity. We think today're gonna be better. But as soon as you walk out that door, all the bushes started hitting you. Living is not designed for us, I mean to be comfortable. I mean, I ain't saying we can't be productive, because there's a lot of black people out there that's doing

a thing. But to come from where we come from, just being in the hood and and and living the body life and all of the other bullshit in prison, it's totally different. The odds are against us, it's against you. I don't give a funk how do you do it? And it's it's just totally different. It's you know, our our sisters out there ain't um like they used to be. You know what I'm saying. It's some good ass black women out there, no doubt, you know what I'm saying.

But the ones that that was that was stick by their dude. You know what I'm saying. When man, I don't want to get all of my personal business, but every every woman I had in my life, all my baby mama's had good jobs. You know what I'm saying, They just fucking with the wrong dude me because I couldn't. I my weird life and my way of thinking wasn't getting the funk up and going to work and then

coming home and bringing a woman my money. Being in the hood and hanging with the home girls and drinking and and and everything else was was my thing. I was more comfortable living like that. So that's why I say, we can't blame nobody for our get down. This is what I chose to do. At the end of the day, you got to learn how to appreciate what you can do and where you had at that point, because then I lost a lot of good friends. You know what

I'm saying that. You know, when they died, they didn't have that, you know, their son to carry on and they didn't have nothing. We just just young niggas and they're gone, you know what I'm saying. So, Man, I appreciate everything every day every morning. Oh for sure, you have to, man. And you know as far as that go, man, I think that, Um, we all have a we all have a major part to play in our own life, man, and we can pretty much. I never talked about my

story too much. Man. I came out to California, man in and when I say, you know how they talked about the story of carrying the stick. You know, you see the little things back in the day with the guy with the kid carrying the stick with the little um tied tied up with his belongings in it on the tip of the stick. That was literally me. Man.

I came out here from Cleveland, Ohio, man with um, I think maybe seenti five dollars in my pocket right and um, back in the day, they used to have them vultures that used to getting the back of the newspaper buy tickets anywhere in the country for two hundred dollars. Right. They didn't have no tickets to go to l A. They had tickets to go to Vegas. And so that's back then we had the maps. Right. I looked, I said, what Vegas ain't That was before the internet. It wasn't

the internet to go on and got no stuff. Right, So I said, what man, Vegas ain't too far away from Los Angeles, right, So I coordinated it. Man, where you figured? I was seventeen eighteen years old at the time. I caughta um the playing out the Vegas Man got in the Vegas like a twelve thirty at night. Man, got to the Greyhound station. Don't remember how I got there. I might have very well walked right went over there. Man went to call my mama. Man turned around, somebody

on stole my luggage. Luckily I have my UM. Luckily I have my bus ticket in my thing. Man. So I caught a great hound man from Vegas and the Long Beach, California man and winning setting the bus um winning setting the studs man at Long Beach City College. Because I was out there to play football. I got the Long Beach City College man, maybe at four in the morning and setting the steps of the football office

and just smiled and watched the sun rise. A lot of people might have been like, Man, I would have been panicking, But no, you figured I can't. Why well, how I wasn't shi out there for me? Man? If I don't want to stay, you know how I wound up there in prison somewhere. It was just was nothing from me out there. I had to get it from out there. So I say that to say this, man, I came out here man, selling the steps. Man. The

coach came over the morning, said are you okay? Like you know, I'm just a young dude sitting on the steps, and I'll say, I'm Norman Steel. I'm here to play football, you know what I mean. And so they took care of me. Man. I've been going strong ever since. Man. But you know, um, everything in life, man is up. We we determined how successful we are, man, and we really have to believe in ourselves, man, to the point to where we're willing to go put some skin in

the game. I got up off my ass left Ohio, came out west and when I came out here doing a D eight James. You know, it was on a cracking out here. It wasn't an easy place to live. You know. You just couldn't up and say you just gonna move from the Midwest to California and just not you know, it was banging was on at the fullest back. But you had to figure it out and at every we all got options. You can either go this way and get involved in this football shaped over with, or

stick with it. You know what I'm saying. It's hard to stick with something positive when everything around you as negative. You know what I'm saying. Because you started you don't know nobody out here. I gotta eat, but how how am I going to eat? So you gotta sit here and figure out a way how to eat. So it's it's just it's crazy, but you was one of the lucky ones. Everybody don't got it right here like that, you know what I'm saying. That's one of our biggest problems.

We all ain't strong like that, you know what I'm saying. And that's that's the demise of the majority of us, because we don't see nothing else but the hood. My vision was only comforting my vision was only the hood. My vision where where I'm gonna be at by six o'clock tonight, I'm gonna be on Pine Street getting drunk and motherfucker, I don't want to hear nothing now and after that smoking a fucking premo. Let's let's go roll trying to go to work. You know what I'm saying.

That type of ship my vision was was short. I didn't have no nothing where. Okay, it's gonna take me here until after prison. Getting out of prison. Now getting out of prison, now you're back involved in and the ship that shunned you back to prison. So how do you work both of these to stay out of prison? Okay? One thing when you talk to police, police right to ship down, police put it in the computer. Now they got something. They know who you is the whole nine.

We can't function doing what we're doing, and then everybody know who the funk we is. We've been a good caught up. So now you gotta figure out to slow your role. Are you just continued running reckless? No, I ain't nothing, pression you know, ain't nothing, ain't nothing at all. So I mean, we just gotta understand our surrounded and what the fun is going on and where we're at at the time. Yeah, I just think, man, that um us as black man, and um I think the biggest

thing we gotta stop doing. Man, it's just imagined, like you know, because I hear people always talk about the man, right, like the white man, this the white man, and I think we give that too much power roll sometimes, Manah, you know that they have a certain amount of power. But this also was up to man to get up off our tail feathers and go do something. You know. It's it's like the thing is, man. When I first started this network, Man, it almost started by accident, right,

But I never looked for that nobody, you know. For the first thing we have to do is get out the thing that somebody owes or something. Right, don't nobody owe us the damn thing. We owe it to ourselves, man, to really do as much as we can. Man. And if we're doing what we're supposed to do. Man, I tell people all the time, Man, if you keep swinging the X, man, and you keep swinging the hammer, events you to tree go fall. It might take a little longer than than it would it be if you had

to change so or something like that. But you keep swinging the X man, eventually that tree go go and fall down, you know what I mean. So we really have to really, man, just still on our peas and queues, man, and stop being so damn lazy and look for the hook up all the time. We just gotta start believing in ourselves, come being and doing the streets. Man. We

gotta start paying attention. The police job is to lock you up to say whatever they gotta say to get you to say what they want you to say, period, period. Stop hating your your your brother, let it ride until you see otherwise. The only way, motherfucker I can prove to a motherfucker that that motherfucker telling on me if he's sitting in that chair and he pointed at me.

These guys ain't gotta don't have to happen like that no more, because as soon as the police say y'ada, y'ada, you're gonna went down, you feel me, we gotta start believing in our in our motherfucking's self. And some of the homeboys and everybody ain't like that, But the police create the ship, and we're so easy to let other people put it in our fucking mind to where we believe it, and then we go nuttie on the ship

not knowing the truth. And that's because the majority of us are aren't uneducated, and and we have that fuck the mentality where I'm not listening to ship, I don't want to hear ship. We gotta change that with us. That's what's gonna better. We have to really change that, man, because I look at so many man of us, like, I'm gonna tell you what the biggest opportunity it is man for us as a people in the last twenty years,

Man is really on our own content. We have the talent to sing, We got telling you know music, you know, rappings, music, just all around entertainment. Man. It's stuff that we're doing right now for example. Man, we have the opportunity now more than every man. I tell people all the time when they you know, I used to work in the music industry. People ask me all the time, how could I get on to do this and do that? I should tell them, man, I always tell them, stop waiting

for somebody to give you something. You can do your own. Ship are rappers of California. Are not the a cons of Africa. The money that they're putting out there and building schools and all of this other ship. We're not doing that with ourselves out here. We're not taking a building and opening that building and putting the ship that's constructive to teach our little homies, our youngsters that y'all can meet in the middle. You in this class, y'all

doing this and you you're learning the trade. We're not opening the building. You know, these guys can come together and put their money together, because the first time of two black niggers put their money together, the first thing come out of their mouth that they can cheating me, Oh yeah, he coming up on me? Or why you getting more money than me? And and and we divide ourselves from that. We ain't no good together. Yeah, we really got to change that narrative, because you look at us,

we do good business together everybody. I don't have no problems with nobody on the networking. And I think, man, we really have to change that narrative among us and start really just thinking that everybody to come with us as enemies and the part of that same this communication too. It's hard for us and I'm gonna use Games of Chronicles as an example. It's hard for for for brothers to be together and be successful and see each other come up, not watch you come up? Are you come up?

And my whole concept since I start doing this is a we week is I want to see us come up. I don't funk the fame aspect of it or this other bullshit that that all these other cats, I won't mind. I don't give a funk about them. That's where is the money ain't no good. You're gonna do what you do with it. But it is as you build, you're creating enemies. You're creating that. To me, everybody is stagnated.

Everybody you're not getting nowhere because you're hating on him and he hating on you and you hate on him. Now with us, I think if we're all on the same page, we're all good. But something that somebody's gonna fall off. You can't get fire motherfucking niggas together, black men together and everybody thinking be on the same page. It's hard. It's very hard. It is not just hard, it's almost impossible because I think the big elephant in the know, even with us, what we're talking about, the

gangster chronic goes on. I think people have noticed that Alex hasn't been on the show, probably like the past three episodes. Right, Well, I'm gonna say this, and and I've been getting a lot of that with the things that Alex has got going on. That Alex handah was business. Uh once again, James gonna try to hold this ship down. You know, we gotta wait on Reggie. And then here comes the creator of the Gangs to Chronicles. Had to come in and sit down because you know, my two

hosts had gone, My my my brothers is gone. You know what I'm saying. And I didn't ask for this ship. I don't I don't know how to do this, you know what I'm saying. So here you are, and I know people are gonna ask questions. Everybody knows where Reggie at. You know what I'm saying, can't wait till you get his ass home. Well, me and Reggie gonna have a fight in June. Then we're gonna have a drink and then we're gonna come to work. That's how I see it.

Oh yeah, sure, So get that ship out of the way. And and you know the craziest shit about it is And I'm gonna tell you that's how we're so fucked up. The people are Reggie sitting to jail. Let Reggie do is goddamn time and jail. Reggie don't need to know what the fund is really going on on the street. But people are are are getting that Reggie and talking

to Reggie. That makes his time harder. You might not understand that, and people don't get it, you know, just sitting in jail to knowing what's going on on the streets. You want to be there, you know what I'm saying. You want to be there, um and and and and Reggie's living like that, Reggie and jail, knowing the whole everything what's going on, and and that Reggie do his time.

That that's gonna make his time harder at the end of it, because now that you know he's gonna come home and just people need to stop talking to him and being in his ear and let Reggie do his time. When Reggie come home, Reggie gonna be ready to go to work, ready to do his thing and just get back into it, especially getting that them with some negative ship, because you know that's what both But I here all the time. You know, well I heard that y'all did

this and that, and you know half the ship. Don't be true, like where you get that from every once again, a man got a man gonna make up his mind. Don't react to react off of some bullshit that you don't even know is right or wrong. Because I can make a phone call, I can get in touch with you. And that's one of our biggest problems. We don't want to look at each other in the eye. And had that conversation. We don't want to be one hunt with each other. But we say one hunt every day, but

we don't want to keep it one hunted. So a motherfucker gonna shot away. But when this cat right here trying to be one huney with you, he on some bullshit or he this, and that the story gets turned around. Yeah, exactly. Like I'm pretty sure that e Gene deal interview we did a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure somebody that went back until Reggyo. They Haggene on the show when he said this net butine did he apologize to that man on the show. And it was the beat and

it was letting noon that we ride with racing. Well, everybody out there, No, I'm a Robert Reggie. The only problem I got it, and what we don't have a day with each other's loyalty and and I think every since I started this, since Reggie introduced me to and I'm and I'm saying this and I ain't gonna say no more introduced me to the the the interviews and the in the gamest chronicles and all that I thought coming in with him, I'm doing. We're good, So showing

my loyalty to you, Alex Brian, the whole nine. And that's always been my biggest slogan. If something happened while we're all here together and the motherfucker come tripping, I'm tripping. I'm just it ain't just your fight is our fight. If you take anything outside of that and go next door and and switching around, that's on you. That's on you.

My loyalty having having changed, it's not gonna change. So when you get to talking and saying it about me, Nick, I don't think I ain't gonna bite back you bark at me. I'm gonna bark at you. You know what I'm saying. But I gotta I gotta right to you feel me. And I'm not trying to bring up the other ship, but we shouldn't if we're rocking together like that I ain't got nothing bad to say. I ain't gonna say nothing about you or no other motherfucker can

sit in my presence and talk about you. That's just my loyalty to money. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's how it should be, man. And uh, you know the thing is, man of us, I go go back to it again. It's communication. Man. Like you said, it's like we have a problem with looking each other in the eye and telling each other what it is that we

got on our minds. You know what I mean. Some of us was taught that back in our days, that when you look at him man, looking him in his eyes and talk to him, you know, don't don't talk to me with your head down. Catch these days, they ain't getting that. The younger generation ain't getting that. And I think, how do we put that back? You need we got boys, everybody that have kids. We need to instill that in them, you know what I'm saying, Our nephews,

our cousins, and then they let other motherfuckers know. This is how men talk. You know what I'm saying, This is how we're supposed to be. If you got something to say to me, said, well, I'm offended or not. If it's wrong, I'm gonna tell you why it's wrong. But if it's the truth, I can't say, ship, you can't do nothing about that. It is what it is. But we don't accept that. We just want to get mad and we want to be violent. We are not

just yeah we are. We were violing creatures, we somewhe but I mean, it's it's it's so easy for us to change who we are and what we want to be. Let's just stop blaming every motherfucking body for for our problems. Because ain't no motherfucker on the TV told me to get my gun and go shoot this motherfucker. Ain't nobody on TV told me I need to drib somebody to eat that. I know this, I know what I'm doing. It ain't your fault, it ain't your fault. We let's

stop blaming everybody for our ship. Let's get our ship right. I swear the guy when I get good and and then and ready, then I'll be able to show instead of talk that ship, I'll be able to walk that walk. You know what I'm saying. Because I've always preached that I need a house for for for boys to get him in there and then to show them like my grandson so much practice. I'm rubbing him at three years old. Man, and and and I feel good because I didn't use

that formula on my two sons. Us they they they my voice straighten them niggers out. I didn't have to whoop my sons. I went by the older son one time, my youngest son. As soon as I got aggressive, he put up the prayer of hands okay, dad, please please please. You know what I'm saying my my grandson, it's it's like hands on when he when he when he sucking up, stand right here and he no, no, and start doing this.

I want to laugh at him, but I got him right here and he put his head down and do this, lift your head out, talk to Papa, look at me and and and he sit there and he looked at me like this, and he said no or whatever for going on. The situation might be. He don't put his head back down no more. And he talked to me. I want to teach him not to be scared of me. Yeah, I understand me, but we get it twisted when we

don't understand that. And you know, some cats and you know when I see him jerkob pull away or don't want to come close to me. Don't be afraid of me. I'm your papa. I got you. You know what I'm saying. And everything I do, he's attached to it. And he started doing this ship I do. So he getting it and he understanding. And I wanted to rub off on him because the way I feel now and about myself, I'm just wrapped up in so much good ship. I'm cool, Yeah, exactly,

because there's a lot of positive stuff going on. Man. I'm not angry whatsoever, no more. Yeah, man, And that's good because you've been able to use this as a platform to heal man. You know when I think that's what it is about. You know, the thing is, man, a lot of us need therapy. Man, a lot of us we don't need. Can't nobody sitting me in the chair and talk to me and tell me about me? And I and I made that quite clear in the fourth grade with a with a psychiatrist. That psychiatrist don't

know jack shit about me. You can't tell me what I am today. You can't tell me. Take that pencil and draw all of those those squares and triangles and and make that start right there. Okay, I'll do that. I sat there with the pencil. That motherfucker walked out the dough, I put the put the the circle on the paper, and I traced that motherfucker and and and I did all of them. The butterfly, all that ship. I traced it and and put the pilce down and

left it right there. Just say he ain't crazy for real, real talking, I'm not finn. I'm not gonna play that game. I'm gonna I'm gonna figure the easy way out. So it's that. I don't think it's nothing room with therapy, though, James, you know some people, some people need it, man, you know some people. You think about it. You got fortunate, man that she was able to go out and talking, you know, able to get it all like your system with this. Everybody don't have that though, you know what

I mean. This didn't this, this, this was the better part of it. I had to get to understand where I wanted to go and with the fun what I don't want to do no more, what I was uncomfortable with doing. I didn't want to carry my pistol on the daily. I don't want to go out there and shoot at a brother that that this should have don't mean nothing. It don't mean nothing. Game banging was was senseless at this point to me, Why continue to destroy

when you could be a total different way? Why, I mean, just just just going to sleep, just the nightmares, just to think in the way I was thinking looking out the fucking windows. Think. I mean, it's so much ship, come with this. It ain't just you game banging and you're just living that life and everything is is easy. Man. I had to find a way, liquor, what's my way to cope with a lot of this ship. I had to get fucked up drunk, pissy drunk, not to even

worry about that type of ship. So man, it's it's it's a it's a process. Here's a big learning process. So if you're not ready to go through that, then it's not gonna happen. You're just gonna be where you at. So every man, that just every individual has to figure out a way and what's the best way for me to change get my ship together? And and that's where it all starts. Once you figure that out, and and and and learn how to respect your homeboys, and learn

how to respect your mama. Learn how to respect your sisters, because if you don't respect your mama and your sisters, you ain't gonna respect nowatire on the street. But on that note, I mean, you know, we got great stuff coming. We got uh Willie D coming, Yeah, we got Willie D coming up. If that brother every hits me back again, we got mac ten coming up. We got a lot of incredible stuff coming. Man. We want to thank you all man for sitting here with us today on another

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for you. But and it's not that expensive. Man. We're talking about from a dog nine nine or four nine nine a month. So if you want to take advantage of that, man, hit the joint button right now. All right, we see you all at minute. I got one more thing. Um my boy, Nino Capaccino. I got to give a shout out to him, and I think it's only right. That's just my boy. Uh, he got his podcast, ain't going rules of engagement check him out. He owned some

positive ship. He's trying and I'm with the uplift. I'm trying to support my brother because he's doing his ship on his own. One hunter to you, rules of engagement, check him out, Nino Brown. I mean, where's where's ninos? Some podcasts? That is everywhere I've listened on Spotify And what I do is I get a link for you and I put it in our things so we can get their brothers subscribed. But shut off the Nino cappuccino all the time. One we're out