Prelude to the BS

Stairs from the streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of iHeart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you download the i heeart app and subscribe to The Gangster Chronicles. For my Apple users, hit the purple mica on your front screen. Subscribe to the gainst the Chronicles and leave a start rating a comment. Jill, you know what to do? Another episode of the Gangster Chronicles and you got your boy Big eight in the building.

I'm with the homie Big stealing the house. Man. You know what, we got a lot of ship that takes on the day. Man, I want to start off with this oscar ship. Man, I got a lot to talk about that. They Actually, there's a lot of stuff that's been pissing me off. Man, how they made the home Girl Angel look bastard, just looked like she was the biggest hater in the world for her being upset about losing.

I didn't watch the Oscars and shit. I don't think I ever watched the motherfucking Oscars, man, to be honest. I mean, I watch a good movie and shit, but it's just like the Grammys and shit. I've never been a big fan of the award shows and shit, even down to the ship like BT Awards and ship. I'm just not an award show dude. I don't And that's not because I don't win shit. So let's get it straight. You know what I'm saying, I'm all I'm it's not because of that. I'm not what people you know call

the hater nowadays. I don't give a fuck if you win or lose or whatever this shit is. It's good for you know, people's careers and give them that extra status or whatever. But you know, I'm a nigga from Compton born and raised, and you know I like to deal with facts about shit, So you know, that's the facts, you know what it is. I mean, shout out to Kendrick again, Tde you know for the work with a good Kid in Mad City. You know, I was on

the song got nominated for a Grammy, you know. But other than that, you know, Um, did you go to the celebration? Did you go to the war zone? I went, Um, just for the experience. Uh, it was it was a it was a bit it was. It was a bit much, you know, um, having to do all this shit lining up to it. So would I go again? No, Like I said before that I'd never you know, watch the Grammys or or or the Oscar shit. So um. As

far as with Angela Bassett is concerned. Um, why it was brought up that she was looking like she was hating. I know they caught her expression or whatever. I don't know. Motherfucker's would be really reaching the dog because it's like, you know, she could have had gas for all we know, just not been feeling like being at that. Motherfucker. She could have been like this some bullshit. They knew I wasn't gonna win this. Motherfucking You got me sitting up

in here looking crazy. I mean, but I don't know, like you just said, she probably knew I ain't gonna win this ship. Yeah. So but you know, um, when you're in that position that you know this Bassett is in, you know, you you have to put on that face, you know, and you have to appear and show up because you're nominated and you know, and people want to pump it up like you know, oh yeah you got a chance or whatever, and and so, um, I guess

it was. I don't know would it be a shock to anyone that that, you know, And I guess us as black people felt like, you know, they got to give it to her because of the role she played and what she represented. You know. But man, come on, man, y'all know how this world works. I mean, if you, if you, if you, if you dumb to that shit, man, I mean if you just as you know, if you as mature as I am, and you've been here for a while, man, you know how this You know how

this game works. It's never changed. So really, you know. And then next thing I want to talk about, Man, it's our homeboy Charleston. White motherfucker's is Huneck Charleston right now? They made the motherfucker Now I heard as tyrant like everybody else. Dear right, m Charleston man, you know, me and Charleston got history together. Charleston man. You know Digital Soapbox was one of the first people man to you know, recognize his talents, man, because he do have a lot

of talent. He's a funny ass dude, and there's a lot of truth to the ship he's say, whether motherfuckers want to acknowledge that part of it or not. He tells the truth about a lot of shit, now you know what all the other stuff man, You know, he's being sarcastic about a lot of stuff, and a lot of people, you know, the internet would ever come out of motherfucker's mouth, They just believe it to be fact. He just really be fucking with a whole bunch of people, right.

I don't think my man got no intentions on doing nothing wrong. But I see Charleston going in on black people all the fucking time, right, he goes in on black people all time. He goes in on rappers. Charleston 's fair motherfucker right, But there ain't no problem of long as he's sticking the fucking with niggas, right. But the minute he says something about them people lack Cardon had a show canceled and all kinds of ship. Where

was the cancelations that when he was talking about all niggas. Now, not that I want the homey shows to get canceled or nothing, but I just thought it was all running, you know, I thought it was some shit about it. You ain't got no comment about that, look at me. I'm just man, Um, I don't know Charleston. I mean we had a moment show. Yeah, Um, it seemed like when we had him on the show, his approach was different.

He's a very intelligent motherfucker girl. Yeah, but I don't And like I said, I don't have nothing to say about because people do what they gotta do. You feel me, That's the way the world works. If you get a hustle, motherfucker, you gotta you gotta jump on that hustle. But sometimes you know where I come from and what I have seen and whatever, as far as it's been from the streets or business or dealing with people, you're different, you

know different, you know, races or whatever. I'm not wanting to want to get ahead by controversy. I've never been that dude, you know, I guess, because I guess. I'm a low key motherfucker and I have never starved for success to where I want to live my life in jeopardy to achieve success. Um, I get in where I fit in. You're getting that. That's that's the way it is.

And some people, you know, now with with with you know, with the internet being so motherfucking popular and social motherfucking media, and everybody want to you know, tune in and you know the latest controversy is the best and all that type of ship. Motherfucker's feed off for that shit. You know what I'm saying, to want to to to live like that, you know what I'm saying, and and and and always want to have a U say so and people's shit to each his own, you know what I'm saying.

You feel that works for him, Johnston feel that works for him. One thing I will say is that fortunately in this country, we do have freedom of speak exactly. People can say whatever the fun they want. You can say what the fuck you want to. People can say whatever they want and ain't up to me, you or nobody else to impede that, because that's all you know, that's all right, And the problem with that is just like you can say what you want to, but you

can't control another motherfucker's actions either. So now it's just like you said, a slippery slope, because everybody's not going to look at your antics as entertainment or you know all this nigga just talking or whatever whatever. Some people take shit very seriously, you know what I'm saying, and thus you might be putting your life in danger. And when you when you're ready to walk that route for a dollar sign, man, it's it's like, it's it's crazy

to me. I guess that nigga he down for whatever though, is one thing about it? Anybody to ring upon him, don't being dealt with, and you don't mind popping at the motherfucker. So I guess you know, like you said, when you I mean, but you can scream self defense,

you know what I'm saying. If I could talk shit to you on the internet all day and social media and fuck you this and fuck you that and this and that, and then I'm gonna tell you where I'm gonna be at, you get me in the minute you approached nine when one is being dialed, you get me. Or if I feel in danger for my life because somebody then poured up. Then you know I'm gonna pop out of nigga and claim self defense. You know exactly with which my which my nigga do a lot, you

know what I'm saying. He has no problem with with call all of the poles or quality authorities or putting motherfuckers on blasts for their antics. So and that's the way he has built his That's the way he has built his his his status. You feel me. Yeah, he's definitely built his cache. And then and then again, you know, like you said, we can we can. You know, we can speak on niggas or we can speak on each other like it ain't shit, you feel me. We do

it in records, we do it. And when all kinds of beefs jump off, we fight each other, We blast at each other. We do all of that. But you already know when you take a trip to that other side dealing with other races, whether who may it be, they feel to come down hard. You feel me, Oh, man, they don't play that ship. They go definitely. And one thing about about it, though, man meet knowing them cats man, they are always kind of prepared for any smoke that comes.

They wait you see what I'm saying, like like that's the life they chose to live, and they're living it. More part them, you know what I mean? More potato him. Um, you know, before we go into the subject of our show, because we are going to talk about you know, a rapper to eight some motherfuckers. Yeah, I want to. I want to speak on the Oscar ship just one more time with Angela. And because I was seeing a lot of comments still about um, the situation of how that

went down. Did you watch you watch? You watched Wakanda, right? You watched The New Black Panther, Right? I thought it was a great movie. Have you watched the movie with the movie that won Best Picture in the movie with Jamie Lee Curtis. Honestly, I had never heard of it until the Oscars came up. I haven't heard I've never heard of it. I watched it last night. My take

on it. And then did you hear that, Um, Tom and James Cameron didn't show up to the big you know, they have some big ass party or some shit, right, so they say them too didn't show up because they knew they wasn't gonna win the other movie was gonna win Best picture. So I watched the ship. Um, it was different. It wasn't what you would take Brian, did you see it? Do you see it? So it's got the kid you've seen You've seen Raiders of the Loss art, I mean not Raiders of the Loss are Indiana Jones.

So you remember the little Chinese kid from the Indiana Jones movies. He's playing the older dude. He's the older now he's in the movie. Okay, Um, it's about this. I don't know if they I guess say Chinese, about Chinese lady her husband. Uh, they run in a line dream Matt, and it's it's a comedy. It's it's a comedy adventure type of shit. She look boring. I honestly, I paused it about five times, and I watched movies. You get me. I paused it five times because I

kept losing interest in it. You give me. Um, I'm watching the ship and it's like it's basis a multiverse, dimensional shit and different universe, some shit you would think you would see in a superhero movie. Yeah, I'm gonna have to check it out. You have to check it out. I mean, I'm gonna have to check it up. And then I guess what people saying about Angela Bassett. Angela plays a lot of strong roles in movies, right she does.

She plays a lot of strong She plays a lot of strong Black female roles, whether she's the assistant to the President, whether she's Tina Turner, whether she's the Wakanda Prince, you know, queen. She plays those movies, you don't really see her And I don't know, maybe that's what she demands that, you know what I'm saying, I got to play those roles. But when it come to them people and how they're looking at it, you already doing what

you already do. Yeah, And I hate the scream. I hate the scream racism, man, But when you're living in the country, man, just with the history that the United States has for always marginalizing us at any point that they can get or always trying to make us look like we're crazy. It's just like we talked about last week. They said that Homi Sean Kimp did a drive by and it really it was just a little small altercation.

Right then you got the ship with you know, the basketball player, with him waving the gun and spending fifty thousand in the Strip club which I don't know why people feel like that's a fucking business and everybody is coming down on his kids, So it seems like we are always judged more harshly than other people. They're always

moving the field goal posts back on us. Definitely, And look what in the in the sense of when you watch you know, Denza always played great movies, you lead movies, but look what he had to do to win an oscar. He had even play a nigga from the street selling

dope and crooked and all that shit corrupting stuff. Yeah, that's with all the with all the great roles that he has had, all the great characters that he's portraying, when you got somebody like Denn Ziel or Angela Bassett twin your partner your movie and not saying yeah, not saying that it's a step down, but it's sort of like like, motherfucker, I want you to watch disgrace you herself to a level, and then I'll go, fuck it, I'll give you you know what I'm because look what

Holly Berry had to do to get a motherfucking out. She had to get a man, She had to get a man, a pusson like motherfucker wm wan't you playing no strong black motherfucking queen and a motherfucking leader and a motherfucking female who was fucking battered and then came out of it and stood up. No, we want you to do some disgrace for shit or some funny dumb shit and then maybe we'll consider it. So that's what that's my take on it, you know what I'm saying.

They felt like, not like, you know, no disrespect to the other actress is you know, Jamie Lee or whatever, but like, you know, like the Halloween Lady, you feel me like we know her from Michael Myers and shit, you know what I'm saying. So her role was kind of different, you know, but still it's like if you looked at her role and then you compared it to what Angela did, and like I said, when they feel like, you know, we don't want that represented or something, That's

how I take it. I don't know if I took it as ratio. I just took it like motherfuckers want you to put yourself in a different position in that in that category, you know what I'm saying. You know what, man, do you think the music industry is the same with being pressured to make certain kinds of music. Do you think, like, because I knew when I was when I had my deal, they wanted me to make a certain kind of music, and they wanted me to wrap over all the Little

John shit. I actually I actually winn and met with Little John because you know, people know he was standing up in Hollywood at the time, and I listened to some beats and all I kept hearing was that it was the same thing. And I was like, man, we're

gonna pay. I think at one time, and if you're talking about our era still, I think at one time the majors started trying to influence what they wanted to, you know, fuck with because there was that you remember, there was at a point in time where they was like, man, we didn't touching none of that street shit no more. And so because it happened to me, you know, the labels was like I had signed a motherfucking deal with UM.

I signed them a fucking production deal with Big Beat Atlantic, you know, to you know, after I left Epic, you know, it was supposed to be a deal production deal, like three albums, and then I had two groups I was gonna bring over. Everything was good until they was like, oh, I don't want to do that gangster ship no more.

I mean, yeah, honestly, you know, we can get some Timberland beats, we can get some you know, just you know, not that you know that that type of music that was turning at the point, you know, um, and I basically lost the deal because I refused to do shit like that, and then basically they didn't want to touch it. So it was either like, you do this music or we don't want to do the deal. You get me.

So I think at one point in time it was influenced to do certain type of music, especially if they failed, it was gonna be lucrative. Right now, I'm anfu, you do what the fuck you want to do. Niggas do all kinds of music, and if it could get over, it get over. You know. I don't think there's too many influences by labels now, because let's face it, a lot of niggas are their own labels and they do what the fuck they want to do, and then the majors come along and go, hey, let me get your

distribution deal or some shit like that. Yeah. I do think at one time, though, man, it went to be the opposite. You remember, it was a brief period in the nineties to where it seemed like every label was coming out with it gainst the Repper, like it was just Jains the Repper. It was proliferated with just everybody was a third. I mean, that's just like the movie companies.

You see it. You see a movie come out and then motherfucking six seven months later, you see a movie on the same You know, subject Um Labels was doing that ship motherfucker. Oh nigga. If you had you a snoop Dog, Oh yeah, we gotta get us a snoop Dog. If you had you an MCA, oh we gotta get us an MCA. If you know, that was the that was the mad rush when music was going around like that. Motherfucker's had to get them an imitation of what was next. They don't give a fuck. That's how that's how these

labels do. These large companies, they're gonna bite off it. Motherfucker Burger king do a triple cheese burger. I guarantee you fucking six months later, McDonald's gonna come with it what they form of the triple cheeseburger with something else at it. It's just what motherfuckers do. Yeah, you know what's real interesting though? Man, it was like, um, there's this letter that that's been going around a lot of people. They kind of want to dispute the authenticity of this letter,

but I believe it's very much to be real. I'm gonna read it real quick. The secret meeting that changed rap music and destroy the generation starts software, and I'm not gonna read the whole thing. But after more than twenty years, I finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed nineteen ninety one, which was at the High against the rap Kinna, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music and ultimately American society.

I've struggled for a long time weighing the pros and kinds of making this story public, as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I've simply decided to leave our names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were like me dragging to something they weren't ready for. Between the late eighties and early nineties, I was what you may call a decision maker, was one of the more established companies in the music industry.

I came from Europe in the early eighties and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then, since technology and media worn't accessible to people like they are to day. The industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them in any way of wanting. This may explain why in early ninety one, I was invited to attend to close door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap

music's new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practices I've ever seen. The meeting was held of the private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about twenty five or thirty people being there, most of them being familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about to the theme of the meeting, as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a

private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn't seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing information presented that day. Needless to say,

disintrigue and in some cases, disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long, but very clear on the matter in consequences, which stated that violating the terms were a resulting job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and a reason for such secrecy, but couldn't find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign a walk out. No one stopped him. Always tempted to follow, but curiosity got the

best of me. A man who was part of the unfamiliar group collected the agreements from us quickly after the meeting began. One of my industry colleagues, who shall remain nameless, thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by his first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence, but it

was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for our success where he achieved in our industry, and congratulated for being selected as part of the small group of decision makers. At this point, I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the straighten and strangeness of the gathering. The subject quickly changed. The speaker one on to tell us about the respective companies we represented had invested a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our

active involvement. He explained that the companies we worked for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons, and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. So I'm not gonna read the I'm trying to fast forward something. You know, basically they had a meeting about rap music, right because they're saying that a lot of these companies have started investing in prisons. That's when they started making

prisons private. Think about it. Everything from the phone calls right to the food they eat in commissary is usually what five so the ten times a normal rate. So do you think at one point that the music industry actually conspired to create more violent themes and music just to give motherfuckers crunk in the street, resulting the motherfucker's going to jail. It just sounds like a piece to me,

because niggas been violent. Niggas just just don't I don't assess that to you know, So, I mean, what are they saying. What is he actually saying. You're not naming no names, You're not saying that we've been no. Of course, a lot of motherfucker's invested in private prisons. That ain't no that ain't no big That ain't no secret to what that you're saying that dudes who worked for record

labels were investing in prisons. I wouldn't doubt it. If you're a big corporate motherfucker, you got investments in all kinds of ship. But that would kind of give them kind of like a reason to kind of push a certain agenda. Yeah, but that's only a that's only a certain amount of niggas. Everybody don't rap. You got normal niggas who going to prison, who don't rap, So how could they agenda to just be about let's push rap music? And you know what, I don't think it's so much

about the rappers going to jail necessarily. But I don't like when motherfuckers try to use rapping fall back on rapping some shit that like nah, man because I'm an artist, so nah. Because I was fucking with Sony for years, Sony didn't do shit to influence me to go out and make motherfucking songs. If I had beef for the nigga, I wanted to make a song about him, period. And in my days, they didn't condone this shit. They hated

that ship. If I went on records, Tammo and then I'll finished shoot this nigga or blast up a NIGGAA do shit, Sonya tell me in meeting's a man, can you go change that or can you do this or do that? They didn't want to promote that shit. Now nowadays it's different. It's different. When I came up, of course we had beefs, but my beefs that I had, as far as whatever, it didn't stem from records. It's stemmed from me gang banging, that's what it's stemmed from.

I never had a nigga out of label Goal oh eight. Can you make another song about Quick or can you do it anothering? No, They would be like, you're sure you want to put that on the record. So nowadays, man, and I could see a motherfucker writing a story like that from nineteen ninety one and now it's twenty twenty three. And because a gang of niggas is dying behind rap music, Oh, we influenced that to build prisons that niggas. Shut the

fuck up. Your motherfucking ass ain't influenced. They take your ass back to Europe and shut the fuck up. You know what, man, niggas just got beefs. Niggas don't understand it when you come from the street. It's a certain life that's lived. Period. Before I even thought about rapping, I was game banging. We had beef with them niggas. Do you think when I started wrapping them, niggas across the street is gonna be like, oh, he's a rapper now, then niggas gonna go here a rapper now, Bop bop bop.

They don't give a fuck. That's where beefs come from. And if you lived like I grew up, and you grew up in Compton, you grew up in Brooklyn, you grew up in Brocks. You grew up in Watts, you grew up in Chicago, you grew up in Atlanta. Niggas had street shit going on, and a lot of niggas who started music shit, they already have beef. Even if you didn't start the beef. Nigga Molehood had beef with these niggas for thirty years. You think because I started rapping,

now it's gonna change. Nah, And ain't no motherfucker with no suit and tie influence me to go beef against a nigga. We didn't have beef. You can't influence me to go, oh man, can you rap about another? Can you make another song about Wonky Won't? No? They do it because it's lucrative. Now you get me. Still, it's lucrative. It makes a lot. You think I'm gonna tell a motherfucker don't rap about a nigga when I know you're

gonna sell a million records. The beef is gonna be and everybody gonna be taking sides, and it's gonna sell more motherfucking records for everybody. You got a song talking about so and so, we should release that is the first City Goals. It's just like it's really just like the podcast shit right now, because if I get talking about mister potato Head and then it's gonna calls. They've used to go up, it's gonna calls or you know all that shit. Like like I said, mother fucking it's

it's what they say nowadays. The content is what creates the mone the fucking flow. So I ain't even gotta have a fact. All I gotta do is hear a story and I'm gonna run with that. Motherfuck But you know what the funny, you know, coming back to Charleston White, that's what he said one day. Motherfucker's online believe anything. So I want to say any thing I don't. They don't have to be true. I don't have to have a proven fact. I'll let y'all go deal with that.

I'm just gonna I'm just gonna be the first to put it out there or start it now. Whether it's true or not, or whether it's factual, that's not my fucking job. My job is just to My job is just to get it out there. Yeah, let me ask you this. You know, we got a lot of people, man, because hip hop has always been a multa cultural thing. You know what I mean. It was actually, you know, suburban white America, the Blue Gangs to wrap up, you feel what I mean, they were the ones that wanted

to hear them stories, right, right? So when do you think people cross the line when they participants in our culture and they just expect us. Do you think there's a certain line that motherfuckers should stayed in check on as far as just like you know, being a part of black culture and work time, because we got a lot of white rappers now not really necessarily white rappers don't because they're just as much part of the culture as you know, anybody else. They participants. I don't think.

I don't think the founding Father's a hip hop and vision. This just gonna be exclusively for us, you feel what I mean? Because they were you know, black people. You know, you had Porto regions that was breakdancing, you had something everybody that was participants early on. I know, do the brothers look at the white people as our culture? Now you can look at the Puerto Ricans in the Mexico like you said, they was dead with us from the

beginning breakdancing. What was the white people? Though? When we was doing it, there was fans mostly, so it's hard to say that they was a part of culture, Ain't that with Melly trying to say, yeah, you know what to a certain extent. But this is what I think though, Man, I think if a motherfucker dope, he dope. True, for motherfucker dope, he dope, But that means he's put time and on his craft to actually become accepted in this coach.

You feel what I mean? Because at one point, but do you answer this question like you just said, if he dope, he dope, But do you feel if he dope and a nigga is dope, he gonna get a more he gonna get a more shine. He definitely gonna get more shined because I'm gonna tell you he's that fair. There's dope. It's always a great white hope right right. It could be two rappers in the room, both of

them equally skilled, right, both of them equally skilled. But the white boy that may be the rapper is almost like an anomaly. He's almost like found a unicorn, Like this motherfucker is cold. We finally found us one to compete against the rock Kims and they Big Daddy Kings and all the other shit, because when you think about it, and I'm a fan of Eminem, I like Eminem. I think Eminem is one of the greatest rappers of our generation. He just ils, you know what I mean. He's a

bad motherfucker, right. But when Eminem came, I've heard when I was working for a music publishing company, one of the executive sons told me he said that he feels Eminem took hip hop to another level. And I looked at him and I said, you young, disrespectful motherfucker. What about Public Enemy? What about all these other groups to pay the way for this person? I think Eminem would

agree him with me, you feel what I mean. He just put him past everybody and said no. And when I told as something about a Chuck D, he said, who the fuck is Chuck D? With some washed up wrapper? He said, it just like that, And this is a

kid that from England. It's it's it's unfortunate that we made this music and you have a motherfucker like that who will say some outland this shit because he's just not a fan of Chuck D or you know, he doesn't know the history of what rap went through and the foundation of what public endemy is trying to represent in Chuck D. So you might not be a fan

of him, you give me. But what I say to people like that is sometimes you need to shuck the fuck up with your opinion about the foundation of music and about certain rappers and oh he's some washed up motherfucker and shit like that. I mean, you should never fix your mouth to say shit like that, because without a person like Chuck D, there would be no fucking M and ms. He had to be influenced by a motherfucker to be able to write that shit and be

able to think that he could have a shot. And niggas like Chuck D and Mellie Mayo gave us that ship. They gave us. You know, niggas handle outs. If you as a nigga in the hood selling dope, everybody going to jail. You're even to go play no professional football or basketball. Nigga in the struggle, you're selling drugs. Whatever

they gave us out to do something else. Did we speak about what we were going through as far as motherfucking struggles and motherfucking just growing up in the hood and having to go through what we was gonna go through anyway, even if we weren't rappers. Get me. We're gonna go through some hard ship when you're growing up in the ghetto until you find a fucking way out. So they gave us that, and I just don't like it, like you know, And and again it's your opinion about

who you like. Everybody has that right. But sometimes I say, you need to watch what you say about motherfuckers who gave us the motherfucking bricks and seamen to build the motherfucking house that rap stands on right now, you feel me? Yeah, you know, we just got a lot of crazy shit going on in hip hop now, man, I see you know the Troy Yavkat don't drop them a text stone

this song after he testified the murder trial. Oh that was quick or he had that ready probably probably so dog, And I guess he figured he was gonna get some motherfucking uh, he was gonna get some looks off of it or whatever, you know what I mean. So I guess he decided to put out a rap song after this. And then it's like this shit is getting out of control almost. Man, look back in our day, still rap

music was good. We had our little shit, you feel me, We had our little scraps and square ends at the jack the rappers, and you know, we had our little beasts, but for most part, you know, niggas was solid. I remember the one year exact the rapper Man. You remember when you remember when Cuba first broke up from NWA. Yeah, and I was down there with um with Black and uh, my boy Black. He used to be a part of My Boy Black. Henry used to be a part of how can I be down ship as far as putting

it together and stuff like that. And you know that's my big bro DJ podcast because and shout out to my homeboy DJ Bobcat, my big bro. So I had access to that ship, and I remember seeing I ain't gonna say too much about it, but I remember seeing a former member of the n WA kind of getting handled down here. So it used to go down when you ran the front, I know it. Those are the

places where you know, all the labels was. And so if you was a hot rap artist or artists at the time, you showed up at the conventions and you know niggas had beef, it would go down. But then you also got a chance to you know, uh mingle with some of your favorites and you know, exchange numbers and you know ideas and you know, hook up with niggas and create songs and so, you know, like I said, we had it, We had it. You know, our days

was vicious and rough. Our days was vicious and rough as far as you know um our little encounters and shit. But today, man, it's just it's it's wild, man. You know, it's wild. Like you know, I know niggas getting you know, when you live this lifestyle and you representing the streets and shit, and you know, you you want to show motherfuckers that fuck some rap shit. Nigga. I'm I'm I'm

I'm not real nigga. But it's crazy now because a lot of the shit involves a lot of our musicians right now, and a lot of our artists and a lot of our young cats. And motherfucker's dying and you know, nigga's dying left and right behind, you know, getting killed or jacked or it's it's real vicious right now for the industry. You know, it's real vicious, man. And uh you know, artists really starting to uh imitate life, man.

And you know, today we were supposed to have a big lurch on the show he was supposed to call and those that don't know big Lurches Um and trying Singleton who when he was on PCP, um he killed his roommate, a young lady, her name was Tarnisha Yeses, because he thought she had the definitily side of her. He was on PCP and Dud was on that Sharn. Yeah you know that Sharon been running through the hood

for a long time. Yeah, you know, but apparently man, you know, he was on that water Man it was floating. He was on that water Dog and U. He never became a big mainstream rapper, but he had a few. He had a local following. You know. He came from the cosmic. The cosmic Yeah, I knew, I knew a big lurch um. You know. He came out around the time I think I had maybe my second going on

my third album. Um. I mean he was one of those artists around the time, you know, one of the you know when you would when you was getting the convicts and you was getting a lot of those you know, offsprings. He was getting the offsprings. You know, he was one of those Um came from the horror core. You know, if y'all familiar with that. You know the artists, you know, there's a lot of artists. I think e Sham was

on that too. Yeah, a lot of those was on the horror core So he was one of the original horror core rappers. Yeah, that's my dude, Brother Lynch. I did an album with Brother Lynch. Shout out my nigga, brother Lynch Um. So yeah, they was on that horror core movement. You know, a different form of hip hop. You know, when they spoke of you know, Jeffrey Dahmer and and Freddy Krueger and Freddy type of ship was serial Killer to a whole different exactly exactly descriptions of violence,

you know what I mean. And that that that that right there is is uh, it is vicious in itself because um, when you're smoking PCP and and and you're fucking you know, you know, get In is fucking rapping about horrorcore and killing and eating motherfuckers, that's like a bad mix already his shit, you're already right down shit about you don't eat the motherfucker's braid. And then you go you go hit a motherfucking wet stick. Your reality is for the just become too vicious. Yeah, you know.

And that's the thing, because he rapped about all this shit. That's what I'm saying. We can eventually get him to call in the you know, when the motherfucker walked up, ain't no tell them what they're going through to get to the phone. They might be on. You imagine the motherfucker writing raps about you know, cannibalism, and then he goes somewhere and hit a wet stick and just think all his thoughts already of all this shit he's writing. So the mix of the PCP with his thoughts of

all that shit already, it probably just fucked him off. Yeah, exactly. You know. So this is what happened man. You know, like on two thousand and two, on round April nineteenth, he was with his roommates, just hanging out, right, He was with his roommate hanging out with some other people. He smoked the wet What he said, he smoked because he was in a car accident. I gifts and he said the PCP helping with his pain. Dusk new on me.

I had never heard that before. A lot of people go thatt right not you know, saying that they do PCP. But a lot of people do alternatives when you know, when they accidents or you know, the doctor get the prescribe and shit, and it don't work. I mean, because that's what he said. They try to give me some shit, but it wasn't it wasn't enough. It was so he

starts smoking that sum so he chilling. Man, they started smoking, getting wet, I guess and everything, and he told everybody to leave the house except for the twenty one year old to Nisia, yes, he got to hallucination. His roommate's girlfriend probably got that. So how are you gonna tell me to lead? But not my broad And now that's what I don't understand. So how you leave your girl? Was you? It was he there? Because I don't want to maybe maybe he wasn't there, Maybe maybe he was

at work or something. That that's what I wanted to ask him when we talked to him. Right, But apparently they sitting in there, man whatever, and he thought the devil was inside her. So he attacked the girl and literally you know, stabbed during eider. Yeah you say he cut her, you know, did some vicious shit, and I ain't.

We don't speak on it, you know, for you know, even though it happened a long time ago, we ain't gonna go in the description of what he did for, you know, the sake of the family you know, might be still around or whatever. So yeah, but it was some It was some horrific shit done to the young lady. And like I said, just being off that wet just

in itself, this fuck you up. I mean, I've witnessed the ship perish from people, you know, from the neighborhood, and you know that shit fucked you up, you know, and that has to be a nightmare for her people. I haven't seen niggas in them, Like they said, they've caught his ass running down the street, asshole, and they gotta see niggas in the street. They get run it in circles, dig an asshole deck. It fulls feed off

that ship. You know. The crazy part about it though, Man, he just took this ship to a level man like like like there was he ripped the girl's chest open and eight one of our lungs. That's what I'm saying. We don't We're not don't get the stare you are described this nigga. Still, It's just it's crazy to me and I was you know da Actually, you know, I

was really conflicted about doing the actual interview. Yeah, man, because I mean, we don't want to, you know, like I said, for the sake of the young lady, we don't want to. You know, people still hear the athletes. You know, we don't want to glorify the situation of what happened. You know, We've just you know, still you know you want to get the inside and talk to

him and get inside of the story. But still at the end of the day, when when when you fucking around with with with shit that will put you in a state of mind that I have you believe in shit. Like like I said, we don't know what he went through. Hey, you've already obviously got that shit in your subconsciousness. That's all about. That's what I said. I mean to already to already have the train of thought, to be able to to to write you know, those certain lyrics. And

like I said, we watch horror movies. You watch horror movies. I watch them. I mean, we all watch a good motherfucking Friday the thirteenth, or a Scary Halloween or some shit. But I don't know, it's just a different level when you know, that's your musical pres friends, you know, to rap about just and not saying like, you know, we niggas from the streets. And so there have been a couple of raps would that have been descriptive about you know, maybe a couple of drive buys and a home he

got shot and killed and whatever. But to indulge in, motherfucking you know, I did this and then I I slit your throat, and then I chopped your neck off, and then you know, just just crazy, just abnormal shit is the train of thought in there. You said, you know, brother Lynx, Brother Lynx ain't really out there killing babies, No, he not really. Brother Lynch has you know, Brother Lynch, you know he has and now he's not all about you know, you know he's had a couple of songs.

But shit, the project we did there was none of that. Motherfucking Brother Lynch is one of our coldest rappers from the Whist. Yeah, you know, he still represents the block too. So even though he have a few of those you know, in depth tales and descriptive about he'll you know, chop

up the bloody meat and whatever whatever. You know, he still was representing the streets, so he was able to curve it a little bit as far as just being just a yeah, we gotta get links to come and sit down on this motherfucker do Yeah, I have to all add him, see what's up? Yeah, Yeah, we gotta we gotta hol that link because I think he lived down this way now yeah he out this way, So it's it's simple. Yeah, we gotta, we gotta definitely fuck

with Lynks. But you know, the Horror Cored days, man, it was one nig gotta listen to because he was just entertaining this hell. He told a bunch of crazy shit that was Gas and Nipp. Gas and Nipp was hard gangs and Nipp came from down South. He was on it was the rapper lot camp. Yeah, gainst Nip was hard as a motherfucker. But he would say some crazy shit like I like I feel like swimming and

red fists or some shit like that. Yeah, gangster Nipp was cold, like I said, but if you was into that, I wasn't really into it, but I would listen because they had a large five man Horrorcore had a large Horrorcore had a large following man, so you know, shout out to all shout out to all the horrorcore rapper man. You know, dudes out there, man still trying to get it in the Yeah, and they took that ship to

a whole another level, vividly and ship. You know that nigga nipped marriage me and your mama getting Mary soon after the fucker I'm a killer at the honeymoon. Yeah, that's it. Was it there, nigga. It was a fool. But ain't nobody took this ship further than Big Lurch though. Dogs. So I can't wait, you know, I can't wait till weak. Yeah.

That was that, that glimpse in this motherfucker's mind. I mean, yes, you know, I mean I'm pretty sure you know, he's had a long time to reflect on it, and you know, and once again, you know, uh, we just want to send our condolences out to the young lady you know, and her family and not to be trying to uh,

you know, promote what happened. But you know, it's just it's just it's just something, you know, as far as what we deal with, as far as being you know, regular people, there's a side that people, you know that they might want they want to know the hardest part about this job though, and I don't think the fans understand it because see all the people listening to this podcast, man, a couple of million people to listen to this podcast though,

they want to be entertained, right right, So they don't know half the time we interview on some of these people having conversations with them, in our mind, we maybe

like this motherfucker's a piece of shit right here. Yeah, but sometimes that's that's that's what happens though, when, like you said, we're doing the show, you know, you have to go to certain aspects to where you might not even like it yourself, but it's what the people want to hear, it's what they tune in for, and like you said, they want to be entertained, but they also want to be informed. So that's what we try to do exactly. Man. You know, we're gonna make that interview

happy man one day. But it's kind of hard to be subjective and shit like that dog without feeling because me and you both got daughters, we've both got kids, man, and if the motherfucker did something like that one of my kids, I don't think he'd have made it to the jail. Yeah, you gotta watch it just been there, it wouldn't have been no quick shit either, you know what I mean. Just you know, I mean it's hard to stay in tune and in depth and keep ties on your people. But you know, try to keep ties

on your people, man. You know, see where they at, the asks, where they at, Hit them up, call them up, make sure they're straight, they're safe, they're good, you know. Yeah. And you know one thing about it though, man, this is the one disclaimer I want to put out their dog for shit. In this era to day, man, people seem like they can. People seem like they can go online and they have like um, like the Internet protection or something. They can say whatever they want to adventure.

You had to come on the streets, right. Um. I just found out man, that Charleston White got pulled over about the FBI. You know, but again this happens after he threatened a bunch of Asian people, right, you know, and it seems like it's black people. Man. We just way more accepting the bullshit. Dog a motherfucker say whatever they want to do to us, and nobody's gonna come to our rescue. Like, um, they didn't have no issue with it when he said he was gonna do something

to math off his daughter. He was gonna kill Ta's son or whatever. It wasn't no issue, It wasn't no issue. But the moment he said this stuff about the Asian people, now the FBI is involved and all kinds of other ship they go to canceling shows this is just like, man, we have just been marginal lines of people to the point to where we almost don't even matter no more. Motherfuckers can do or say whatever, and we do each other so bad. Why the fuck should somebody else respect us?

And that's why, because we don't give each other that respect, and so it's not as it's not as important. If it's not as important to us, then why should it be to somebody else. I mean, if it's not, if it's not as important for you to say that, you know, or think of some some shit like or I'm gonna kill your kids or some shit like that. I mean, I don't funk around and say that to no mouf

you get me outside of your race. You ain't gonna do that because a person gonna call the police on you and then you're gonna be in jail for death. But I guess on our aspect. We always feel like when you had that streat mentality, Yeah, come on, I like to because I'm gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go call the FEDS. I'm not gonna go call the police. I'm not gonna we as a black we as a black man or woman or people our metal ally from the is I wish you would try it.

I ain't gotta call no police. I ain't gotta call no motherfucking whatever whatever. I want you to try to come and kill my kids and see what. So that's the intake of what the outside people look at. I don't know. We ain't got to worry about it because they ain't gonna even call us. They they're not gonna do nothing but check this out. That's the problem though, eight, Because I'm gonna take you this. Ain't nobody gonna put a hand on Charleston White. You know why, because he's

already told everybody. I can say what the fuck I want to And if you come at me talking that bullshit, I'm going to shoot the shit out of your ass. You're gonna get locked up because I'm putting a restrain Nord on your punk ass and if you come over here with that bullshit, I'm gonna shoot the shit out of your ass. So everybody's kind like, oh, he's gonna call the police because we've said that, see what the

problem he was with black people. We've put the code of the gangster in the underworld on two regular people, regular civilian people like I don't belong with no motherfucking game, never have. So tell chnically what you're supposed to do. If a motherfucker is threatening you, you are supposed to make a report with the police department or whatever. In case you got to smoke this motherfucker, you want to ask some documentation, because as you're doing California, you just

can't shoot the motherfucker. Yeah, but that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna go call the police. You come threatening them, they're gonna go call the police. Yeah, you go go acting like you're gonna do something to somebody else, they gonna call the police and take a report and whatever. We No, I ain't gonna go call the police. I'm gonna shoot. You'll ask myself. You know, you gonna shoot yourself.

You can shoot them yourself, and you can probably wind up doing some time because they gonna say, well, why don't you shoot this man? He threatened me, Well, why didn't you make a report? How can we didn't know about that? Ain't the cold That ain't the street code. That ain't the nigga colde, That ain't the hood code. I ain't ain't gonna no motherfucker well or kids shit, because I'm gonna tell you about the incident that happened to me. Right, And this goes sound like I'm being

petty as a motherfucker. One day I go to this donut shop. Now, keep but mind, I haven't been going this donuts shop since about eighteen years, right, I ain't never paid too much attention to people are going that mother forget what I want to bear. I going there one day and I asked the girl, Hey, can you put this in the marketway for a few seconds? She tells me, no, this is not a restaurant. You want your donuts cook, you gotta take me. I'm like, are

you for real? Right now? Because I'm one of your customers. She say, either you buy or you get the fuck out. Yeah, just like the motherfucker. I'm mad. I say, fuck your donuts and I leave right And I tell my kids, if any of you want to y'all go up to that motherfucker, I might as well change your last man. Right. So my daughter says, Dad, you probably went in there with an attitude. Cool. My daughter goes and then she in there for about ten minutes. I'm wondering what the

fuck is she doing. She come back out mad and the motherfucker she said, Now, your dad sent you in to fight me. Yeah, you get out too. Yeah, I know what's upped. But you know what the problem was. Hey, as black people until it happened to us, we don't give a fuck if you go to a store and getting mistreated. If you want to a McDonald's down the road and they told you get your black ass audio,

you went online and say, look this McDonald's. That's a motherfucking East Hollywood, North Hollywood or whatever like that, it's racist. You know what a nigga gonna say when he's hungry, man, shit ain't got nothing to do with me. I'm gonna I'm gonna steal mob up in there. We don't support shit. We spend more money in this country than any other fucking people. Black Black America spends more cash because we like we like us some ship. Yeah, that's what we do.

So we don't give a fuck about boycott and shit. If a motherfucker said Popeyes racist as a motherfucker, you can have a You could probably have a few thousand people to say we're not fucking with Popeyes no more that you're gonna have niggas gonna fuck you figuring that pop Eyes good as a Motherfuckna get me some up right now. It's the same thing as the movie. Remember where was the ship do the right thing back in

the day? Sales pizza? Yeah, I didn't watch that. Yeah, so they had to come to a thing in the movie, a fictional pizza Rea called sales pizza. One of the sounds got mad and called a motherfucker nigga. Right, they went back, we boycotting sALS pizza. He called it on me, a nigga, Man, you tripping. I grew up on for sales. I'm gonna go get me a slice right fucking now,

because as black people, we don't value our salves. Man, you got motherfucker's um you got I think, man, since I've been working on the internet, man, I've received more threats from motherfucker's I don't know from mckinna paint any other time. You just open up your inbox. Fuck you know, m Yeah, I'm gonna bush your head open. And you're looking at this motherfucker like little boy. You don't know you're about to get your feelings hurtain this motherfucker you

come up on me. I don't I don't play. I try not to pay attention to the ship like that because you never see I mean, you never know. You get me now. You can't push nothing past a motherfucker because you know, you never know. It could be a nigga standing right outside the store who said that ship and whatever. So I never put nothing past people. But I never tried to indulge with motherfuckers who just woke

up today with fuck you on their brain. I don't know what it is you get me and I and I what I say the ship like that is, hey, I will you. You woke up this morning thinking about me? So I did something right? Yeah exactly. And then the same motherfucker's dog that feel like they can say whatever, Like you said, you don't know if it's the motherfucker

that's the janitory in your building. You don't know if it's a motherfucker that's a neighbor yours, or it's just a random motherfucker that you don't know, right, It could be just really just checking you out and really have an issue with you about something you've said or done online. Right, And I consider myself to be a real subjective motherfucker. I don't have no personal opinion about this ship talking about. But i'd be a lot of people most of the time.

Most of the time, it just be people that don't like where you're coming from, and they'll just feel like going off, fuck you, fuck you knowing you don't know motherfucking from a can of paint. But what people do need to know is that we are very much real people. I just got my concealed carry permit, so please believe I will defend myself to the letter of the law. I'm Michael going to break the law, but I will

defend myself to the letter of the law. And I don't even think like that no more, because I used to, you know, carry a strap, you know, roll around. You know, I got you know, because I would always just be like ready for whatever. But but you know, I don't go around anymore with the aspect of like yeah, nigga, come on with it because I'm already heated and it's

gonna go down. I don't go about your business, is the way I think, because yeah, I don't want to shoot, but like I said, I don't like that the fact that motherfucker gotta feel like, oh yeah, nigga, you know what I'm saying. You just better know, Nigga, I'm heated and if you come around, you're gonna catch some slugs. Nigga, what's your problem with me? You feel me? Like? Why

am I even addressing that? Because Nigga, I'm too old to be thinking like I got to worry about a nigga that I know nothing about waiting in the waiting in the trenches to attack me for what you go about your business? Man. You know, during the whole time we've been in this show, after go home to my woman and my kids and chill out, eat me some dinner, and smoke me some weed and figure out how to try to make the next buck. Why am I gonna be worried about some nigga talking about fuck you and men?

If I ever see you, man, you don't don't never see me because I ain't gonna be nowhere you gonna be exactly. That's how I think, and I think I've always been pretty forthrightened the fact that I'm don't belong to a gang. I don't have nothing to do with no gags. I got a bunch of friends, that's christal. I used to gang back. I used to gang bang to the fullest and thought, you know, and everything was

about the hood. And still respect, you know, the homies that still there and in the trenches, and I still respect everybody who represented the neighborhood and whatever. But I don't live like I'm still walking around the block every day. You get me, I'm I'm I'm. I'm an older dude with with grown kids, you know, who live in their life and kid from to go to college. And I'd have made it far enough to where you know, I got respect for any motherfucker who got respect for me.

And that gang shit, I don't even I know it's blood's out there. I know it's crips, it's Asian gangs, it's Mexicans, is everything. I ain't gotta beef with nan one of you. Yeah, I just think that it's gonna be able to each to each his own because this shit go change. Though. Hey, I'm gonna tell you why somebody is gonna wind up really getting fucking hurt behind his internet shit. I'm telling you it ain't. It hasn't

happened yet on a major scale. But somebody is gonna get hurt behind all this shit though, because you just got an era to where motherfuckers think this ship is not real or something. Though. No, it's just it's It just gives motherfucker's more in depth access to irritate the motherfucker. You just gotta learn how to shake that shit, because, like I said, it'll be a nigga talking shit to you for Africa, you get me, it'd be a nigga talking shit to you from motherfucking the moon. You don't

know niggas hide behind that ship. That's why you can't take it seriously. But you can't sleep either, because it's some crazy motherfuckers out here. You see it all day, niggas walking in the clubs, shooting up motherfuckers, niggas you know, shooting at each other on the freeway. You still got neighborhood beefs and wrappers from their neighborhoods and they still

going at it. It's never gonna go away. You just gotta learn how to motherfucking accept where you at and try to be cordial with motherfuckers even if they from the other side or a different race or color or whatever. Yeah, shit, you're supposed to be doing as a man anyway. You're supposed to just motherfucker. We all go through mistakes as youngsters, you give it right. We all go through shit as young but it was hood shit. It was hood shit, man.

And when you were friends, how often did y'all tell laugh every time we see each other, it's you know, everybody him high see you know kk d all anybody. Man. I ain't got no beef with nan nigga, That's what I say. I went through that transition of gang banging and knowing what it had to be the represent the hood, and you do for the hood. Fuck it and that nigga. If you gotta lose your life, if you got to do this, that's what you do because you represent the hood.

But but as you get mature, man, shit's supposed to change. You get me, shit's supposed to change. Man. Just like when you know you go to prison, you go do fifteen twenty years, you're supposed to come home and be changed. You get me. You ain't supposed to be fifty sixty years old still talking about nigga this and so and so and so and so and then jumping in the car with the little homies, going to pour drive bys and shit like that. You ain't supposed to be. You know.

You might still got to hustle down, you know whatever, but you're supposed to set a different an example for the youngsters and show them. Yeah, you know, even though I've been life long, I've still made the transition to know, I ain't been going grabbing no motherfucking ak to night and jump in the car with y'all and going to shoot up the niggas around the corner. You know, I'm probably cool with some of the niggas. You niggas hate

you feel me. You just gotta learn the transition. And that's what a lot of us hopefully can do coming from you know that that that that part of life. Yeah, for sure, man, everybody takes it so literal like. Even with the name of our show, the gainst the Chronicles, you know, people thought that the Gangster Chronicles This Coast is just chronicle the tales of the crypts bloods and motherfucker's in prison. Though. The Gangster Chronicles is about anything

that's outside of the parameters of normal society, right. We chronicle stories. We chronicles you know, you know niggas who feel like they og and you know, and when you hear gangster, you know nil like you said, niggas going on, you know, like you know, you know I represented the hood or the situation before where niggas represented the hoods

on the show or whatever. It's not about that. It's about being It's about coming from that aspect and being able to speak and talking chronicle shit to y'all as intelligent niggas from the hood who were once gangsters and who can still be intelligent enough to speak to motherfuckers and have decent conversations and deal with what's going on in today, not just what I did fifteen years ago, what I did thirty years ago, and you know twenty years ago, nigga, I used to be on the block

and we used to shoot at these niggas and I used to say all this. Now, it's about trying to show the transition of where niggas have came from to where we're going, and to try to entertain y'all with stories and what we have learned and what we see today, just our opinion about shit. You feel me, Yeah, that's that's what it is. So we got more ship coming, We got new mervs coming, so y'all be on the look about that. We're about to relaunch the Gangster Chronicles

podcast website. Man. We actually gotta fucking we gotta fucking our own fucking TV network right now. So episodes of the Gangster Chronicles, the full episodes to be available on Rhyme TV and all that stuff. Man, And don't forget man, leave a comment. Man, rate this ship. Man, hit the fucking bail. If you're watching this shit on YouTube, and you know what eight I think is about time. Man, All good things must come to an end. Yeah, we out of here. Piece,