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Police Pistol Play Continues

Jul 22, 202256 minSeason 11Ep. 159
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In this episode we discuss the latest police shootings, the first in which involves a wheelchair bound 61 year old man who stole a toolbox from Walmart. He was shot nine times and his lifeless body handcuffed, crazy right? We also examine the Akron, Ohio shooting of Jaylon Walker, who suffered more than 60 gunshot wounds. We can't make this stuff up.

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We like to welcome everyone to another episode of the Gangster Chronicles podcast and move my dog. You know, we're here about the police shooting a lot of people. You know, sometimes it's proper. Sometimes they're justin, you know, shooting somebody. Sometimes you know, more often than not. Unfortunately, um, they don't have to use the excessive for us. They do as we see recently a new thing. You know, they shot a man in Arizona that was in the wheelchair.

Brother that was in the wheelchair got shot, right, Um, I guess this just happened on the Two Sign Police Department is officially terminated. The cup who killed a disabled man, shooting the wheelchair bound sixty one year old man nine times in the back and side. This is a guy in a wheelchair now. The killing took place the end of November in a big box shopping complex south of

downtown the Arizona City. A four year veteran of the Two Sign Police Force, Ryan Remington, was working on a special duty side shifted security for a wal Mart store. They're a man named Richard Richards allegedly shot lifted the two bucks as Richard rode up store in his red mobility device and employee asked to see his receipt, and, according to an account offered by the Tucson Police, Mr

richardson brandish and knife and said, here's your receipt. Officer Remington's having observed it, encounter pursued Richards out of the store and into the parking lot and a slow speed chase on foot and the video released by the police, Remington can be heard calling for backup a legend Richards pulled a knife on. A second officer soon arrived on the scene wearing a body camera. A scene on the video from that device, Richards was ignoring Remington's orders and

rolling towards the injuries of a Lows Garden center. Remington shouted, do not go on the store, Sir. Richards did not obey. Remington suddenly opened fire at close range, shooting eight times in rapid succession from behind the wheel chair before firing a knife shot. After brief falls, Richards can then be seen toppling head first on to the pavement, where he

gets handcuffed by Remington. Richards was declared dead shortly the after so he pushed the man over in his wheel check James dead lifeless body handcuffed them up and face down on the ground straight. Disrespectful. Yeah, it was disrespectful, and I imagine and it's not saying the guy in the wheelchair was wrong for stealing, But there's no way you can justify shooting him that many times. For shooting

him period, he was wheelchair bomb. When they just say, for instance, I shot somebody, and I shot somebody multiple times, they're gonna give me another case for the many times that I shot that person. Uh, I forgot what they call it, but I know somebody out there know what it is. Excessive forces of motherfucker. But it don't apply to them, but it applies to us. So what's the fucking reason for shooting a handicapped man nine times? Even even if you got a knife, you can't take that

knife from me. Where's their training that bro? Where's you know you gotta have from that? You can't handicap man, you don't need to be a police officer. Well that's the thing, James, this guy's in a wheelchair. It's not like you know, if it's a big burly guy, because a guy with a knife can take you out. I can see if it was a regular walking man with a knife and said you know I got this knife

from stab you. But um, from what I know, especially security, once a person is in the parking lot, you're really not supposed to pursue him anymore. He's gone already. Well we're talking about a police officer though, right, we're talking about the police officer. And this guy was evidently I guess I'm doing some side work with wald March. You know, he was out making him an extra few dollars, I guess doing some security and wal Mark, and he just

kind of just took that way overboard. So what they're doing about it is is did they file charges against him for doing it? Well? Here he deals right here. Um to Sign. Mayor of Regina Ramero quickly blasted the sling is unconsciousnes about and indefensible. In the press conference the day after the shooting, to Sign, Police Chief Chris magnus scoreated Remington. I am deeply troubled by Officer Remitton's actions,

he said. This use of deadly forced this incident is the clear violation of department policy and directly contradicts multiple aspects of our use of forced training. The chief announced that the that the department had already moved to terminate officer Remington. So he's getting fired and I wouldn't be surprised to see his next step being a lengthy sentience in jail. That all depends some of them, don't get. I mean, it all depends on what you mean length

to you. For five years, he took a man life. Yeah, he took a man's life. Like to be honest with you, um, I think the only way you can justify this because that man's family is about to get paid. I mean they are, but it ain't about the money. Yeah, it's nothing about the money. That really don't matter. So so this is this is where what I see when she like incidents like this happened. This is what they should do.

I mean, every police officer to have to retrain because you gotta be you gotta be trained for different situations in the street because you're gonna have all different types of ship that happens. So if you if you can't take a man in a wheelchair down, you shouldn't be working. If you don't have anybody on the force that can talk to a a a kid with down centrome and just out there acting already and really don't know what

they're doing. If you're not prepared to to to handle a certain situation, then they shouldn't be called to the scene for that type of ship. Everybody is not equipped to do certain things. So somebody has to be equipped to handle multi situation different ships. Man. So here you got a sixty one year old man dead. They could have tasted they could have I mean, they could have pulled out the shield and and rushed them. They could

have come him, they could have got him. And you know, and I'm not laughing, James, because I'm not laughing at the loss of life here. I'm laughing because it's almost doesn't seem real. This man, the sixty one, you know, not to mix the wheel chick changed the brother of the sixty one years so right, he's not kicking up too much dest at that age. And the cold party

is is you don't even have respect for life. You you killed, you him out to chair after after the fact, yeah, you said, and then one of the things that you have to mix. And they say that after he shot him the fifth time, there was a pause in between the sixth shot or the ninth shot, whatever it was, it was a pause in between like he just looked at him for a second. And just busting on him one more time and then just said and put the handcuffs on him. Change when he was dead. He was

he was, he was done. You shot the man nine times in the back. What is he still a threat at the time? Though, No, he's not a threat to me. That man wasn't threat the moment you saw him in the wheelchair, first of all. And I'm pretty sure that's against corporates, wal Mart's corporate policy to go chasing people into the parking lot, because you have to imagine the amount of people, especially these wal marks the way they

are not They have these big box wal marks. You know what, the grocery stores inside of those places are huge, right, So you gotta figure it's somebody every five minutes stealing something out of that, whether it's a twol fresh or a candy bar, a TV. You got people to work there stealing. You've got people coming in stealing. So I'm pretty sure wal Mart already budgets that as a part

of their business. Steps is a part of their business and say, okay, we go lose about a hundred thousand dollars a year in the store from the people are go steal. So you chase the man out the store with a tul box and we started shooting. Now, just think about how dangerous that is for the shoppers that are there, because you always go have people that the lucky loose, you know, the look you losing the crime scene. You always go have people standing around seeing what's happening.

You out there shooting James. You don't know how easy it he is for a bullet to go through a window somewhere else and shoot somebody else. It was a girl, the loss of life at um T J Max or something like that, maybe six months ago from that same thing. Police shooting and cheating and triumph and dress with prom and moves to their life. That was just irresponsible. That's not I'm pretty sure that's not in the trend. Go shooting somebody in the public place. That's what I'm saying.

They you gotta you gotta have some kind of order here. You gotta have some kind of something. Somebody gotta be able to take him up down. Just because you got a nice we got guns, we got tasers, they got they got rubber bullets, they whatever the case might be, it don't happen to You don't have to just shoot people exactly. Well, the way they're cracking down on police today, you might be right, but you know, just keep happening. We ain't gonna have no police officers because ain't nobody

gonna want to do the job. Um, they're not protecting each other like they used to, so a lot of people would quit, gonna quit. But I mean, do you wake up in the motherfucker do you wake up in the morning feeling like you got you're gonna kill somebody or you want to kill somebody today? You know, police officers are just like us. They're human. So if they wake up and go to work and have issues with the old lady that night, they take that bullshit to

work with them. The majority of them do. Some don't know how to separate family life. You know, your life at home compared to going to work. You know what you're doing at work every day. So I don't know, man, that's that's that's crazy. He might he might not. The way that ship go today, is he definitely well, he definitely lost his job. Sure he's out of there, so he lost his can he he can go to another state or whatever and become a police officer there another

county or anothering. You know what, I would imagine what the police force, James, that it's like kind of like a blanket thing. If you do something that one Pricing or another district out of state. I'm pretty sure when they check your record, if they heard that you shot up dude in the back of the wheelchair outside of the wall MARTA Knight and the left on his face, you know, with his face down, asks up, I'm pretty sure you're not getting the job nowhere else. I would

hope not. You know, I was definitely hope not. I would definitely hope my brother and I think, um, I think the thing is with with all these guys is that they get a sense of power, right, they get a sense of power and they just feel like they rule the world. That that could be the only explanation I can think about this is they get a sense of power and they just feel like, you know what, and I bet you if we go back, he has fell out with this guy before because that sounded person

You think it was personal. Yeah, I think it was personal because you know, if you get a guy using these guys to go on these stories stealing James, they used to go all the time and still That's why they go to certain stories because they feel like it's easier for them to get away, you know. So if he was in there steal in the two box, I'm pretty sure it wasn't his first time stealing, because I've

seen guys and wheelchairs running their coins. I'm in the grocery store, like if I'm in Sam's Club or somewhere, I see dudes all the time. And those wheelchairs, you know, the ones that they have for the store, the little mobility ones. I've seen the guy. Saw a guy one day just this past weekend, I'm gonna, you know, from the meat section and sam Club and to do this stuff and meat under a thunder this thing. Who donna

check him? I didn't say that. Then I should have told him to throw me a couple of steaks up under there, and I shoot you a few dollars when we get outside. You know what I mean, right, you know, grab me these red buys, dog, and I shoot you twenty dollars when we get outside. You know. But you know, I'm just joking people. But I see people all the time doing stuff, and I tend to mind my business, you know, I tend to mind my business. So people

in wheelchairs do steal. So I'm pretty sure he has gotten into it with that guy before, or he was a guy because in some of those stories they have suspects in the back, like this dude come in and stealing all the time. We can't catch him, but we know he's stealing. That's sound the personal change because he tore that dude's ass up. It's something was on his mind and shoot him nine times. Uh. You know, people in this situation like that everyday game banging and all

that other ship is. It don't have to be personal, it just man. Do you know what? Man, whatever it is, James, there is no there's nothing that justifies that. That's like the craziest thing I've ever heard. I think that's almost worse than the look here we heard. So it's this guy black, you know what. Let me see. I didn't I didn't really think about what color he was. Man, But okay, let me see. They have footage of the

they have footage of the killing that online. I don't know the guy's nationality, James, but I don't even think in this case it don't matter. Man. You shoot the sixty one year old man, man, well, one year old guy. I mean all points of it. It do matter. It matters because I mean, look where you act. And then you know, we can't deny that it a racism out there.

We can't say there's no racism with police officers. We can't say there's no racism in the hospitals, fire department, We can't say that the military, because it do exist. Why why would I shoot a man nine times and I'm here to serve and protect it just it's supposed to be unheard up, but it's not unheard up. It shouldn't be that common, but it's common, you feel me.

So you know, you gotta figure out and you gotta understand, you know, what's going on in the mind of them mother fucking police officer at that time of shooting a man nine times and then tipt him over in his chair then and comfy after you and he's dead. He's no longer a threat. So you're putting the cuffs on the man. And they just showed that he didn't have a hard saying that was pretty like that, that's pretty

like um, that's pretty careless. Well, when they say that that's procedure, I think you want to use that type of ship when it's necessary a month bucker moving. Uh, you know the first thing they say is stopped resisting when it's clear that I'm just standing here, or you got your kneel on my neck or I mean it's

almost seemed like it's damn They're planned, is orchestrated. Is we can get away with it if we just used these certain words, these certain tactics, do it this way, and your asses covered, you know that's what Well, that's the thing. It sounded really personal. But but here's another one right here, right now. We had another guy, another young black man, Jaylen Walker from Akron, Ohio. He shot

forty six times UM and a tops. He revealed Jalen Walker, the unarmed man who was shot and killed by Akron, Ohio police to end up a high speed chase, had forty six gunshot entrance wounds or Gray's injury. Summer County Medical Examiner Dr. Lisa Cohler said Friday his death was due to blood loss from his eternal injuries and the cause of death is multiple gunshot wounds. Colder said tests revealed no evidence of drugs or alcohol in his system.

He said, Walker, a twenty five year old black man, was shot as he fled police officers trying to stop him for an alleged traffic violation. He was remembered soft spoken, loving and kind of his funeral Wednesday. Details of the case continue to emerge the myth public scrutiny of how law enforcement personnel across the United States used force, especially against people of color. Walker was black, while seven of the eight officers who fired on him are white and

one is black. The city is said all were put on paid administrative lead, per department policy, so they're gonna pay leave. Not right. Jalen Walker suffered at least sixty wounds and fatal shooting, Acting Police chief says in the authorities released body camp footage. Colon said the gunshot entrance wounds included fifteen on Walker's torso, where he had eternal injuries to his heart, lungs, liver, spleen, left kidney, and testants,

and multiple ribs. Seventeen on his pelvits and upper legs, with the right major artery going to the leg and the bladder word injured and the pelvits and both femers were broken. One on his face where the jaw broke, eight on his arms and right hand, five on his knees, right lower leg, and right foot. Walker's family and representatives were able to review the sport prior to this announcement

of the news conference. Covid said his cousin, Roder Walker Jr. Told Cenn on Friday, I feel like we've been echoing zero threat, zero violence. I keep saying his name, young African American male afron Ohio who was looking to explore the world lively, young man, love to travel, even made plans to come down to use and to visit the Road or Renaissance Festival and even catching live w W E and fin you see it. So his life was

taken away way too soon. You know what we're gonna have to happened, James, And I'm gonna tell you this right now, and it's already happening. People are gonna start going back to the world with the police in the minute. It's gonna be the streets against the police, admitted. What you gotta look at it like this, when when and that's that's some crazy ship. You lose the fan, remember that being shot that many times by people that are here are supposed to be here to serving protect you.

Who who the funk deserves to get shot that many times. Well, that's what I'm saying. It just doesn't make sense. It defies logic almost, And just because he was running. Was he in the car? Yeah, he was in the car. And see that's the thing, James, when they say somebody is on the high speed chase. Do you know how many times I haven't been pulled over excessively necessarily? But I've had times that where the police are trying to pull me over, not to know they was I was

the one that was trying to pull over. If you went traffic, sometimes on the freeway, and you just in the mold of driving and you haven't done anything wrong, sometimes you don't notice flashing lights behind you. So theoretically, if you you may drive a couple of miles before you were aware, and they might hit you with the horn like with the aren't you know what? Then you pull over? Right, But technically, if I'm driving for a couple of miles, what's to stop them from saying I

was running? That's true child trying to evade capture, because you know, evidently he pulled over at some point, right, so he pulled over, You got him pulled over already. I don't see anything that can justify them shooting that man that many times. He didn't have a weapon with him, he didn't have a gun, he didn't have no drugs in the system, he didn't even have no weakness systems. Schames. He was sober. The man was sober. And I think it's just a hell of coincidence. And this keep happening

to us, this keeps happening the black people. It ain't no coincidence. I mean, it is with it. That's why I say, man, it's what choices do we have. I think they believed that every every black man is violent, and it shows in these videos where they don't pulled over our shop, one of their own because he was black. They disrespected and treated him just like he was just civilian, a regular motherfucker like us. But police officer got his ass.

Whold a black police officer, guy pulled over after stand, he got a gun, my gun on my hip, the whole nine. He didn't want to work with him like that. So man, even our our black police officers are scared of police officers. So man, I mean, you know, these people talk about us, but look how they're killing us. Bro, And we don't do shit. About it. Well, you know what the problem is, James, And um, I want to say this, and I've never been one that want to

sound like a preacher. You know what our problem it was, James, is that we're too busy attacking each other to really focus on what the real threat is. Right. Well, see, we don't want to We don't want to deal with the real threat. We ain't trying to trip with no white people. We ain't trying to argue a fight with no white people. We are more comfortable with fighting ourself. Yeah, and I think this is you know what, and I keep saying because this is definitely a color thing. This

is definitely race motivated. Right, But and I don't think it's so much as tripping on white people as tripping on authority, on the people that authority out there actually killing us. Because the average white person don't have the same part of the police officer hands, you know what I mean, They just can't come and just shoot you.

They can't come and shoot you. But most of these white most of these white police officers, James, have ties the racist organizations already, So then being a police officer is just a bonus for them, right, gives them a license to kill. It gives them a bonus. So just imagine if I belong to a white supremacist organization and now I'm a police officer. I got a badge and I catched me, and you ride in the car. Okay. I got two black males driving, one of them suspicious.

They're suspicious, one of them. They run the tags and everything. They pull us over, right, it's nothing in that. If there's nothing, think, I'm guys green nerve they can stop them from saying. Oh, he lunged stored me. Um. He was combative, he was argumented. Because I'm gonna tell you I've had instance, James to worry. I don't know. I was on point, kept my hands on the wheel, offs from reaching my back left pocket to pull my idea out, you know, my driver's license to get it to you.

And I'm letting them know everything I'm doing. And I've still caught attitude. I've had a dude, they had this knee in my back, arms pulled back and I'm laying there. James can't hardly breathe, and he's telling me the whole time stop resisting. It's like, dude, I'm not moving, like like where am I gonna move to You're about to bring my arms off my shoulders. That's what I'm saying. See,

I learned a long time ago there's no wind. So all of the argument and and and telling them fuck you you only met, you're only making a matter of worse for yourself. So when you applied and you listen to all their commands and all that other ship that they actually to do, it's still the same thing because now they're getting mad because you're saying yes, sir. Now they're mad because you you you're complying to all they commands, so they get they still get mad. So you you're

the no win situation as it DoD said. No, you're already in a no win situation. So I mean, you know we came in, we came in with it. But I mean, like you said earlier, at some point people wanted to get up and fight because man, it's wrong. And shooting a man with no gun, no drugs in his system, what is your excuse for shooting him that many times? I mean you you chopped him down pretty much. That's man slaughters. They slaughtered that man man slaughtered. He

was executed. That was execution. That's what they used to do back in the days. Tell you to a tree and just have target package that you had. That's what that was. Yeah, that's what it was for sure. And you know, James, me and you both have we both have fairly young sons, you know, right, we have young men. And um, I'm gonna tell you, and I'll be honest with you. My son is home from camp now, all right.

He leaves back Monday, and I'll tell you I would be glad when he goes back because every time he's not at home, I'm scared. And I'm not scared because of something he goes. I'm scared because of the police and the number of many things that can happen him, because statistically he's a target. Well, I'm gonna tell you this. It don't only happen in California. These two cases we're talking about now didn't happen here. This is all across the goddamn world. This is all in the United States.

This is this is happening everywhere. So no matter where he goes. It could be Pittsburgh, Denberg, it doesn't matter. You got this same ship going on everywhere. You know, we sit there and talk about it and then we complain about what we're gonna do. What we're gonna do. They're killing us. They're killing us. Man, First, we need to get together. Secondly, the second they need to stop. We kill each other more than anybody else has ever killed or killing, period. But we complain when it's the

police doing it and all this other ship. We ain't complaining about gang violence and how many motherfuckers die just just this fourth of July, how many people would kill you know, it's crazy. Let's stop crying and holland wolfing ship and and stop the gang ship these killings out here, and then you can go and talk and say stop killing us, but we gotta stop doing it to ourselves first. Dog. People don't understand. Man, this ship is bigger and it's gonna get worser as as the years go by. Oh

for sure. You know what. I see it, and I don't see it slowing down. You remember, we just we just had all of marching and stuff going on. We just had all this going on, this like a perpetual cycle. You did what I'm saying, it's the same stuff that keeps happening repeatedly. And the thing that really pisses me, Oh, changes that we have no respect for ourselves. If you look at you know, you look at all this stuff and I'm not you know, we're not big talking about

people on this show, you know, mixing people's names. People are free to do what they want to do. But we have everybody online out man, you would think that this would be national headline news. You know, a man got shot in the wheelchair, shot that many times? Right? Um the stuff and O how you know the shooting in Ohio, the Akron Ohiwer shooting me as a national incident? Now is the worldwide incident? You know? Um, those guys are gonna go to jail. Those police officers are gonna

get They're gonna get charged. I believe. I think they're gonna go to jail for this because there are too many people talking about this. There's too many people talking about this. The government is getting involved in everything else, U know. They said that. The legal team representing the family said, the medical Examines report confirms the violent and unnecessary use of force by the act and Police Department on an unarmed young man who is the family expected,

was not under the influence of drugs and alcohol. He didn't have nothing his system James, and I don't think this man was running. I don't think he was running because you pulled him all over at the point. I think that's cap for them to say, oh, he was trying to evade the rest. But what It don't sound like the man had a record. It don't sound like he had no criminal record. He wasn't drinking, He wasn't he wasn't trump, They had no excuse. It sounds like

this is just a thing. And I've told you change. Some of this stuff sounds really personal, even with this this boy on the highway. Yeah, it sounds personal. They mowed that key down, man, Yeah they did. They mowed him down. You know, I'll tell you this. It couldn't be my son, couldn't be my matphew, couldn't be remember mind without me losing my mind. That's a yeah, that's a different which called different conversation. But you know, just like with his family, they expect you to keep a

level head. I would be fucked up because of the times how many times y'all shot him, just like the guy in the wheelchair. Did you have to shoot him nine times? He's in a wheelchair, and who gets shot forty something times? At some point you stop, you give up. You know what that means, James, That means they were all back there literally execute this man. That's like a firing squad. You got five or six cops just shooting next year, four or six times. Thank you. You's a

fire squad. You ain't no ch'all was manson you ain't You ain't running for no murders or they gotta what's called him a chip that such and such was they behind him that he's known for carrying guns? I mean, what is the motive? What? What? What? Even if you got him pulled over at this point, at what point did you say, come on, let's just cap this motherfucker? Everybody shooting? What started? Well? I will say this, this is what they did find. A gunshot residue test was

not performed on Walker. The middle of the medical examiner said the police accused him of firing what appeared to be a gunshot out of the window. Right. They did find a gun in his car later, but the police said he was not armed when he was killed. You you're allowed to have a gun in your car. That's his excuse right there. And they said that the tests were not conclusive as to whether the person deer that did not fire a weapon. So see that not conclusive.

Ship is a dangerous word because more than likely he didn't fire the weaponcase he need to fire the weapon, they've been able to tell the listic tests, you know, specially right then it ain't too long after Yeah, so yeah, it would have still been on his hand fresh as a month. Yeah, so they didn't find no, so he didn't fire his gun, James, I'm a legal firearm on I own a gun legally, right. I can transport my gun in my car as long as I don't have

as long as I don't have it loaded. If my gun is in the if my gun is in my trunk and my clippers in my box, yeah, I can ride a while I with my gun. I'm not a threat to nobody, what matter. If I'm not the flash, I'm not Superman. I can't go as simple as in two seconds and be ready for action. You can't do nothing if you got a gun in your trunk and the clipping your um driver. See, you asked out pretty

much of something happening. But I've been in this situation a couple of shootings, and the first thing they do is put bags on my hands, over my hands, they cover my hands, put them in the bag, and and and tie the bag so they can do that chest so you don't try to rub it off or nothing like that. So if if if that man fired, is shot and they shot him, shot him dead, they're still supposed to put the bags on his hands just to secure that because that's evidence to make sure it ain't

no blood. And I mean, they didn't do that. I don't know if they did or didn't do it, but that's one of the things that they do. I know they do that out of here. It might not be one of these procedures you know, across the world, but you know, it just don't make no sense for men to lose his life by the police shooting him for the sometimes well what they did was the United Nations is the involved now. The UN, the actually UN is involved now and they're investigating this. Um. These guys are

gonna do to jail. They're gonna go to jail because you know what, this can't be ba this is too big. It can't be breasted up under the rug. Because one of the things I'm tired of is I'm seeing tired. I'm tired of people not being here accountable for what they do. Right, They need to go to jail. James. You know this family, I don't care if they get a trillion dollars. Money doesn't cure the loss of a young one. Can't brandy back, They can't bring it back.

Those people are gonna be sucked up for a long time. Their lives will never be the same again. That's definitely one you that you never forget for these Sometimes that's man that's overkilled. And you know, unless you have some set it off. Queen the teeth of ship, get out with your OOSI blazing, man, I can see it. But if you ain't died with that pistol right there in your hand and they got you right there, ain't no sense of that. Ain't no sense of it. So but

who with mine? You know what I'm saying? Six times? Man? Have you ever been shut up by the police? James? No, No, I didn't ran a lot. I didn't and and like I said, I've been I didn't have the bags put on my hands at least three times. And knowing this, they don't put guns on me many many times. Thank god they didn't shoot me. I haven't been shot. I have resisted a whole bunch of times. Reggie can tell you that, Um, you know, a bunch you had to put help them put me in the car one time

in my house. You know, I just wouldn't go on fulk y'all. Huh he was cutting up. Yeah, I was on one and you know, our to thinking or feeling like they're gonna they're gonna do something to me. He hopped from the other side of the police car, off the passenger side, hopping the back seat and pulling me by my waist, my belt and help them bend me in the car. And I'm up right like motherfucker's I ain't. I ain't getting in this motherfucker and took me to jail.

So I've been in that situation. The shares different stories. I'd have been slapped the ship out of I'd have been beat up with the stick, you know that, getting called three four o'clock in the morning out there nobody out there. We didn't have no phones where we were video on them. So pretty much everything they did to us back then, tempt to ask whoopen to keep it pushing. Ain't no filing and complain of none of that. Other

bulls shit. So going into that substation and going back to the game module, I mean they as they whipped that ass when they wanted to, and it ain't that you can do about it, but accepted, you know what I'm saying. So two different stations, they had two different ways and handle their business doing what they had to do. Compton, I was more, It was more easier. I was more quick to kiss my motherfucking ass and come on the porch. I beat the ship out you opposed to telling the

Shares that okay, we'renna catch you. And they catch you out there that midnight and they whipped that ass. Oh oh you ain't talking ship now? Well I came a man, cup, What are you talking about? Sh Shares is low key. The most violent ones will take your life, will take

your life. Yeah, I told you about when they caught me and they caught me on Atlantic one time they caught you in Atlantic, man and tore my escalator up, man, tore my whole car up, toward the baby seat, off the back, toward my speakers, up, to all my stuff and told me have a good night, left for all the ground, said have a good night, and was laughing on the way out people, damn, And I'm man, I felt like a little hole, James asked, with your badge number.

That's all I could do. I couldn't do nothing. I just got pumped and that's all it is. So I wouldn't look at it like like, I mean, they're the only ones that can do that to you. The average month bucker that walk up to you can't do that. Oh no, that's what I'm saying. You're pretty much getting pumped, right, So I mean you accept that ship just like every other monthucking. Any anybody else say that they didn't accept that, and it's don't let me rephrase that. It's a lot

of cats that fought back or bought the police. But at the end of the day, you ain't been to win. You ain't winning none of us. Oh no, if you you're fighting, losing better, Oh yeah all the time. So it's some cats like Compton Police, like myself that we're gonna have to fight. But when you're fucking with them, shares them, shares, wasn't playing them. Shares will let you go and kill your mother, it would you. You'll be you'll get caught off down new tracks and you don't

have no I tell my sons. Right before my son started driving, James, I gave them all the same thing, all my kids, I gave the same speech. Right, you cannot win the battle with the police department, right or wrong. Shut the funk up, get your ticket and go home. Make it on if you get to be in combative and argument argumentative because see, I'm gonna tell you, I see white folks, because police the funk out, police the

funk out. And it's the funniest ship in the world to me, Why the fund are you pulling me over? I have no do this hurry if I write me a fucking ticket, ball and ticket up. They talk all kinds of ship. They're getting them the thirds and everything else. If it's one of us, we get the Philly Club? Was he? White people are comfortable with white people. We we funked up when we sunk up bad is we

complain at the wrong time in the wrong place. We were complained in the dark galley, opposed to complaining up under the light or in the daytime of whatever the case might be. Then how do you prepare your kids or situation? When the situation happens, all that ship go out the window. Man, I was talking listen to the police, or don't do this or don't do that. But as soon as you get or interact with the police, all

of that ship is gone. It is totally different, because, like I was saying earlier, you might run into a good cop that say, I ain't here to violate. Ain't hearing this? Why you give me a hard time? Y'all? To y'all, all I want to do is go home to my family. Or you might get that one that just what the fuck is wrong with stupid fucker and that that's gonna say ship to piss you off. Yeah,

And that's not it, James. This just happened right A mental health call turns into deadly police shooting of armed man. See he was armed. This guy was armed. Right here, a man was severely heard after being shot by Phoenix police on Tuesday, July nineteenth, the department says, following a call for a mental health crisis. The unidentified man died hours later. Police confirmed the shooting happened on July nineteenth

near a hundred and eleventh Avenue and Camelback Road. This is in Arizona, when a man reportedly had a crisis at an impatient mental health facility get at home and was making suicidal threats. He says. The manager of the facility called the police, saying the man was making threats against staff and towards himself to jump out of a window and the cut himself. Officers are I have and begin talking with him, but then they say he pulled a knife out of his pocket and again getting close

to them. He was told to stop and drop the knife several times, but he continued. One of the officers involved head used his taster towards the man, striking him o arbor. The taster was ineffective. The man continued advancing toward officers with the knife steal in his hand. Bober said it was at this point that the officer involved shooting took place. Medical aid was given to the man. He was taken to the hospital and critical condition and

died not long after. The man hasn't been identified, but he is said to be a man in his early twenties. Barras says it appears two officers were directly involved in the shooting, one using the taster and the other using the gun. Crisis and Adventure Team officers and mobile crisis teams were called out to the scene, but the shooting took place before they got there the investigation zone. Going, this is another situation. You're two professional police officers, your professionals,

you've been trained in situations like this. This is a man with a knife. Don't get me wrong. I me and you both know some dangerous individuals with knives, right, you know, I know some guys that got knives that don't took down people had guns before. So a knife is a dangerous thing. But did you have to shoot the kill You couldn't shoot him in his leg? How does the taste or not work? Like, I don't think these people. I think the gun is they first resort.

Almost James and I'm not you know, I see both sides. I'm not expecting because you know a lot of people sit out there and say, oh, well he just had a knife. You could have took them down. But like I said, I know people that are dangerous with knives and and and and let's just be honest all across the board. Some situations that police get in, they don't have a choice. M Here, you got the man that's mental out of his mind and young and said probably

could have did a lot of damage. He ain't understanding it. Yeah, he don't. He all he sees what he sees. So you know, every situation, like I just told you, a justified. Some of them are justified. If you got a man coming at you know him, and you gotta piston and you keep bagging up and that man keep coming kicking you know who he's been aduced, I am not gonna hesitate out of blew him down to see. No, but a minute ago you said that they had to shoot

the kills sometimes. Yeah, and see listening to you talk about this way, this one, they may not have had a choice, right, they may not have had a choice, because I'm thinking about like people I know in my family. I know some dangerous motherfucker's James Man, I got an uncle that it took people down with guns before James. If you shoure when he's get a hesitation, I don't see it, just that quick just being falling around everything else.

You you you do you believe that police they are human? Right? Yeah, of course they they think like we think. Just because they got a badge don't mean that they ain't no pussies on the police force. That they all militant with the business and ready to uh m m a any motherfucker that comes they come across, ain't the case. You got a lot of wimp motherfucker's a lot of WIMPs. A lot of police officers become police officers because of the authority, because they can do this what people did

to them. You know what I'm saying. They can bully you now opposed to being bullied, so they become police. You have a lot of police out there that that just ain't going to go for it. They got a complex out of this world. So it's this is crazy, and then it takes us into something different, something way for what we're talking about. So when police get out there, they're just as scared as anybody else, man, And that's why some of them pull the trigger so goddamn fast,

because they're scared. Everything goes out of this out of their brain. They just like us, man. They get butterflies and they panic when they're in that situation. So all of them ain't gonna gonna don't react like like like a normal man would when they you know, some shit happened, you know what I'm saying. They get in a situation, bam, they react the way they truly are, and some of them panic, Bro, they don't you know you got something out there that to take that stick off and that

that that felt and fight your ass. You want to fight, I fight you. They some of them think a whole lot of them okay, So it ain't meant they're just like us. They're scared when motherfucker's walk out that door. They don't know if they're coming home because they're gonna run into a cat that ain't playing with them. And that's just gonna you. You could be cool and come and talking to somebody, the next thing you know, he pull out a pistol and blow your pucking brains out.

So is they occupation dangerous? Yeah, But to get up in the morning with something on your mind already being piste off and bringing that to work such a job as their's, then that's where they sunk up at, you know what I'm saying. Then when you handle a situation and that situation go big, they you know, nine times out of ten, they ain't expecting that, and now they don't know how to act. They don't know how to

react to that situation. So they just like us, man, they have the same feelings and emotions that that everybody else do. They just got the gun, the badge, and they think everybody is supposed to listen to them. But when you don't pay attention to him and don't listen to him, that's when you see. They used to be bullied because now they just get the job. Now they get careless with their job. Bro, That's all you have out here, and people have that dealt with the police everybody.

I'm quite sure everybody would agree with me. They just they just do Yeah for real? What that third one was kind of fifty fifty with me because I'm still saying, if you're a police officer, James, you should be trained. I think we need more training, probably better training because you know this last one, you know, and things about the behind sight, this kind of thinking about you, man is crazy and he probably you know the person crazy.

They they can you know, you can have a difficult situation on hand with a young like you said, the dude it's twenty years old. Young and fifth because I was looking at my son other day and I thought about it. I was talking to him, said I still your asked I thought about I said, this is motherfucking shape. I might have heard him if we get him to it, you know what I mean, Because he's just shafey young. I ain't gonna be to test it with him for no long time, So I mean that. I mean, that's

just all it is, bro is. You know, you got a young cat. He's mentally killed and not think right, and it's just fucking And I noticed because I have an uncle, My uncle Rabbit is like like he can go from tyrial to a huney and don't wouldn't give a fuck, you know what I'm saying. When he wouldn't on his man's and all that tip you can't tell rab ship can't something else. Yeah, So, like I said, some sometimes it's justified, and you understand why they did it.

They didn't have a choice, you know what I'm saying. So so we gotta look at it. What if we was in a position that the young man was in. Did he deserve to be shot that many times? No, regardless of what, uh, unless he running at them guns are blazing shoot back, because that's the first thing they want to say, Well, he did have a gun in the car, what he didn't shoot the gun? Having a

gun don't mean they don't mean nothing. I don't mean the damn thing, especially if you're riding within the parameters of the law. You know. So Ever, dimly, man, nothing has changed too much. The police are still doing what they're doing. And I don't see I don't see this getting better no time soon. I don't see nothing changing. I think it's the same thing. You know. We get mad, we get upset, we march and tear up stuff, but

then we're right back to the same thing. You know, a day later, somebody else is doing something well, basically the way that just say, like, if you're imprission, we find a way the light of match when they took distigrettes and matches, we found a way to get them cigarettes and to light them cigarettes. They're gonna find a way just to do it different so they don't get

caught up with it. They find a way everything changes, Bro, and them knowing that the body cam and people taking pictures and people got their cameras out everywhere, they just gotta approach it different. But sometimes they don't think because when you're eating and got your mindset for something, it's gonna happen. That's real. And I'm telling you, man, they are no different from us. Bro. They think like we think they're no different from a gang member, some of them,

the ones that out there like that. If they hate you, they hate you. If it's a gang like me, I talked ship, and because the police out all my fucking day, you didn't think them police said wait till we catch his motherfucking at and when that when I got cold slip, and I got cold slipped, and they whooped that adds but they didn't and and well I don't know how they did, because one time I declined, uh, total total graves. I didn't want to talk to him no more. So

Greg said, what did you say? I said, I don't want to talk no more, and uh, that motherfucker hauled off and slapped and ship out of me. Now Greg was the least three fort big, motherfucking white boy. And they came from another somewhere else, another division to handle the game unit. And when that mother that motherfucker slapped the ship out of me, my eyes stayed watery for

about two days. Two days this when they was doing first started cops and wanted us to do the cops around the neighborhood and and and and all that ship. This is when the first came out even on the jail bus. Even in the kind jail they send back chatting talking about you know, funk their vives and fuck they you know, got called cheating and whatever. They bring that ship to their job, man, like we would go

at that. You know, I brought they want to funk, want to do something, and we arguing and called me cheating. I get up, through my clothes on and lead a house. I'm taking that argument outside with me. Now I'm fissed off. Now I'm ready to take my frustration out on somebody else. It's the same thing we have here every day. Everything that we do, it plays itself back, back and forth, over and over again. It's like rewinding the video tape

for old school man. That's all you got here. Half of the situations they say they fix, why we didn't fix certain things when it doesn't happen so many multiple times the same way. The only thing I can think of, James, you know, I've been in Japan maybe six times right right now. They have guns in Japan. Don't get a twisted. They have guns in Japan. You know that they have access to guns, right, but the average beat police officer

in Japan is not walking with a gun. They just gotta stick and taser and a couple other things, right, no gun violence, and they are very efficient. I've seen police officers in Japan take people down with no problem. Tell about people with nives, bottles, everything, you know, they took them down. I saw a girl take a guy down, a pretty nice sized dude down when I was out in Tokyo. She locked him up and did something some kind of marshall lost stuff, locked him up, he was

on the ground. She put the cuffs on them. She didn't have a problem. Her male partner was there doing the paper work. He took them down like it was nothing. You know. So I think they're I think they may be better trained out there than we are here because they don't have guns. I know their hand in hand combat skill is a lot better. But you see the average cop out here, James the dude. A lot of these guys out of shape, A lot of you, man,

what can you they are? They out of shape? You know you're figured you got you got a fifty sixty year old man, it's a cop, right. He run across the year old cat. That cat to go to the gym every morning, in shape, young, full of piston vinegar. He could whoop that ass. Y'all get him to it. You're not gonna have the stamina to billy ain't with him. You probably got good One minute after that woman is up, your must gonna start locking the phone. You're gonna start

getting fatigued. And that's when he go get in that ass. But what training do they get to get on the and then they get on the force and get a police card. Uh pounds, two hundred and nine pounds, Big old fat men, fat women, big old fat white women. They can't do the job they supposed to. No, they're not. And that's what I'm telling you. It's a big difference. Name. Seeing those people in Japan, those police officers, they were very efficient at their jobs. They were nice to people.

They weren't rude, but they meant business. I saw this man in Tokyo had a big knife, and I'm not talking about a little knife, James. He had a bone crushing that lady. The way she took him down, it was like she was strange. She was up, knife fell on the ground up next thing, you know, on the ground. Right when I was in what you called them, they didn't carry the police didn't carry guns either. And people

are so different. People are so different. And the people, even when they got drunk and I raped, the police knew how to handle that. You know what I'm saying. It was some cash that we was hanging that I was hanging with out there. They never seen a gun, never own one. The way they lived and the way we live with something totally different. It's way different. And I don't know at this point that may be just a pipe dream to say that maybe we should disarm

I police in America. We may have real problems then because you've always got the element of the streets. Oh hell, it's too late to do that, because too many people have done Yeah, too many people. And you know what, James and I keep saying this, It ain't the guns. It's the man behind the motherfucking gun. All the time. It's the man behind the gun. But we definitely go continue on this path. Man, I kind of want to keep talking about man police and police reform and what

are we gonna do. Maybe we can come open some solutions on this show properly. Who knows well, I mean, if everybody listening to everybody's you know, and then paying attention to commentions like that, and it gets to a place where we can make change, then that's what we should do.

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