Playa Ham has strong words for DJ Quik

Man from the original Penthouse Players. Click, man, my boy player, hand what's up with it? Man? One day at a time, Maybe I cannot complain, you know what, Man, One day at a time. Love. You know how we're doing. Well. We got a lot of stuff to talk about, man, for sure, for sure, Man, I want to go back to the beginning, right mm hmm. You're from out of content right now. Man, I'm not a South Central man. A lot of people think that, you know, but and you watch to the west side of l A. Man.

South Central was where I was born and raised, you know, Oh for sure, for sure didn't know that we might be bringing some news. That's where I think everybody thought you some company. Man, I think that you know, because of affiliations and associations, man, but you know it's not true. Well, the first thing I want to ask you, man, is because you grabbed the whole of what was with who eventually became one of the best producers in hip hop. I still think he was a day How did you

link how did you link up with Quick Man? How old was he when you guys linked up? Man? He had to be in his late teen teld me U. I want to say maybe eighteen. I just turned nineteen. Uh, eighteen, had to because it was a D eight. So anyway, Uh, we had a little uh. But they used to call him back in the day when you get on the phone and everybody be talking. Yeah, but it was something else like there on the chat line. It was called

party line. Yeah, party line, and you know we was you know, one of my partners had a little money and his brother and they came together. So it was called the Penthouse party line and quick sister called inn and my boy tweet chopped it up with his sisters.

Did a little brother through music to your producer And you know he was a fledgement and you know, kind of new to it at that time, but he still had a talent that was a parent to anybody that would pay attention, and uh, you know ship Basically he auditioned with one of tweet beats for us man and after a conversation between Tweet and this system and one thing that to another man and you know, and they had to go out there and get him and grab him up and making part of the click. He was

like the missing peace, you know. So when y'all first heard his music, did y'all know like, this guy is gonna be somebody? He ended up being DJ Quick, But did y'all see something in him, like, hey, he gotta be down with us, because we know, if anything, this young man don't be something in this music, he gonna be a force. Yeah. Absolutely. As you're pursuing the dream, you realize that, you know, you need to write pieces

together to continue the journey. And when you're young, you might not be seeing that far ahead like a lot of cats might have, you know, seen it like that. But you know, from the early days of hip hop so to speak, not that early, but you know, the first ten years. So it's like, you know, at that time, it was just about making the music and and and and coming together and and doing what we do. So

of course, yeah, definitely when we met Quick. When I met with Quick and we did that little audition being on me for Tweet, I knew he was somebody that was he was the missing piece and you know what I'm saying or what we was trying to do because we had dealt with other DJs and other situations and you know, uh, me and Tweet wasn't really we hadn't been together that long at that time, but at least about a year or two maybe at the most. But we knew that that your boy Quick was what we

was looking for to make us complete. You know, somebody that coming to the clicking and be what you know, apparently the other cats that had their DJ and the music maker part of that click, you know, Dads and Jeff and then being and you know what I'm saying, cats like that, because that's really where he was how we was moving. And of course Dre, you know, Dre was was one of the greatest influences, oh Quick, you know what I'm saying. Dre and East, you know, they

really was like the cats he wanted to be. You know this time who bubbling in l A. You said, it is early is eighty. It's a d A. So you know n w A was doing that thing, you know a little Yeah, I'm saying like we know in w A, but like, who's some people who didn't make it to the surface. But y'all still looked at at the time like hey, this group or this person could possibly be right behind in w A. Um Man, I don't know if a cat even gave us type of

thing I thought. You know, we was in the circle of a lot of artists though, you know, we were you know, dealing with you know, battle cat was in the cut um. There was some cats over there, uh around the corner double trouble um, you know, some neighborhood cats. You know what I'm saying. There was a lot of things going on at the time, but the focus really wasn't on what other cats was doing. It was on when we was doing. You know I heard that man let me ask you this him, So when did you

guys become the Penthouse players? Click? Cool, Well, that was something I was moving with before I even got involved with TWE, before I even got involved with Quick. Because you know, when you're younger, especially coming up in the era we come up in. If you ain't gangbanging. You You ain't doing nothing. And I wasn't gangbanging, you know what I'm saying. So I wanted to be a part of something that I could you know, represent without getting caught up in that gang time, you know, and all

honest the amount of total his story before. One of my partners, man, his name is Mark. I wish I could remember his last name. But you know, when I was looking for a name for my click, trying to think of how I wanted to move with this rap because I was starting to wrap it, you know, I felt like I was real good at it in that potential. And my boy was walking down the street and I see Penhouse Players on the back of his jacket, right, and I was like, well, you know, play, I'm gonna

take that. And I just added original and click and and mashed with it, you know, and made it, made it famous, so to speak, you know. And I wonder where my boy at now, man, because I feel like I owe him something. Yeah, that's how that happened, man, That Penouse Players. I liked it, that name, you know, and it was already kind of calling me play a ham without even you know, knowing that that's the direction it was going in, you know what I'm saying. So,

like one thing that just good out to me. You was like very adamant about standing away from the gang culture in the gang life. Was that because like you're upbringing inside the household. What made you want to stay away from gangs at a time where people was rushing to be a part of the game. Uh well, I wouldn't say that was Russian, but what I would say

was it it had its appeal. You know, I knew some real gangs to catch, some real crypt niggas that you know that I admired, you know what I'm saying. And I knew that I wasn't them, you know, I knew that that what my nigga is doing, I'm not doing that. But we was, you know, in the neighborhood, you know. And like I said, whatever neighborhood you grow up in, you affiliated with that neighborhood anywhere on some

level or another. So I just happened to be at that time in the thirties, Harlem, and so my niggas was Harlem crips, you know what I'm saying. Even though when I went to school that lot and you know, my original cats. It was main street cats, you know what I'm saying, nine eight and all that. But on the West Side is where I was living at the time. So my you know, my major affiliation even on my niggas is from over there, from Man but um my brother's tour as well from Harlem, and so you know,

I knew that wasn't me though. On me, I knew what my niggas was doing, I wasn't gonna do. I knew when he was hanging out, I wasn't hanging out like that, you know what I'm saying. I was on something different, but then it was still my catch, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I just didn't you know, I knew that wasn't mean man. I knew that was something I wanted to be a part of. You know. Yeah, that's that's honorable. Yeah, So let me ask you this him.

So you guys went in there, y'all started working with Quick immediately off the rip on the players, I was clicking alum, right, yeah, payers click right. But we're not necessarily on the album, just music. Just because his his his style Quick didn't have quite you know, know what direction he was gonna go in at the time. You know what I'm saying, Quick was saying when he came to the click, he wasn't even really rather he was just doing beats and singing, and you know, but he

had the potential. You know, you could hear it. It's like, boy, you did that. And he was around one of his uncles that was making music, and so you know, he was being groomed and teaching himself how to do the thing as he was doing. And as far as he saying, he was already doing little DJ ship, you know, so getting off into the creativeness of the keys. He kind of taught himself, but the gift was obviously in it. You know a lot of people want to make music.

When he told us he needed this or he needed that, you know, like you know, my mom's really looked out for us man. So you know, between her and my partners, that was getting money in the streets. And you know, we tell a living that's what we need, thats what we gotta do, you know, uh, because we're like, well, hand whatever you need. When I got your back, you know what I'm saying. So we needed a PC equipment,

you know, we get it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, hold, I don't want you mentioned the importance of the DJ back during that time, and a lot of people don't know that the DJ was actually a really big part for the music. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, he was. He was the one that that kept the crowd interested in what you was doing if you wasn't a sexy nigger or you know whatever. A lot of cats was.

You know what I'm saying that you know, certain groups, I guess the DJ was background, but when he was the forefront. You know, a lot of the the DJ's name was involved in the name of the group. You know what I'm saying. A lot of times it was it was the DJ who was the man. You know what I'm so, just how do you how you moved?

And we was the click? So you know, even though I called myself the lead wrapper or whatever, but you know, the Click wouldn't have been what it was without Quick, and Quick wouldn't have been what he is without the Click. But that don't mean the ship whn't the win and did whatever it was gonna do it. I don't mean Niggas would have went on to something great. It just means that what it is, it is under the great influence of each other, you know. Yeah, so not working

together and y'all become this crew on everything. What's the record that you are recording? Y'all saying on all we were getting the deal off this one, because eventually y'all signed to one of the greatest regular labels in the world, which would be Ruthless Records. Right, So what was the record that made you all say, hey, we were getting

the deal off this, we could really do this. We got aren't listening piece, let's go, We're ready in a lot, honesty, hommy, we had like three deals before we got that, Before that Penthouse Players Click deal arrived, right exclusive. Yeah, we we had situations where, uh we were supposed to move in a certain direction and it didn't happen. We was with uh uh together, we were with West Coast Record Distributors, and that was when Linzo Williams, Unknown DJ, Rudy Party

and Egyptian Lover. Okay, excuse me, let me go back to the unknowned DJ real quickly unknowned DJ was known for Gaff and Young Brothers publishing in the day. We'll know, we didn't have that issue. I ain't saying that would have happened or wouldn't have happened later. But you know, that was just the name of the game on me when the Cats you know, cast this was following suit of what they were told on me. You know that's that I mean, if you don't know, you're gonna get got,

you know what I'm saying. So you know, in that situation, they just wasn't moving quick enough for us, you know, And so we moved on from that situation to another situation. Okay, Uh, that situation we moved on to was a cat named George Murphy about of eight Mile Road. He was I think he was a Detroit cat. But yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, that name so familiar when you said we run the West. I'm a man, I'm from inster Michigan. That's twenty minutes from Detroit. So yeah, I said that name. I'm like, yo,

that's not kind of familiar. George Murphy was a cats you know, trying to make moves me at a studio and Peko in l A And so we was locked in with them for a minute. They put us in the big studio and uh, you know, we was making music with him. But once again, it was a situation where it wasn't moving like it was supposed to move,

And so we moved on from him as well. You know, we had a few songs, like when you asked about songs, man, you know, like I said, I was the lead rappisode most of the music that was really getting the most attention with Ship that I was rapping on. We had a song called small Time Pushing. We had a song called Hitting It. We had a song called Baby Wants a Bowler. We had a song called My Dust, and so we had music that once Quick came together with

what he was doing with him samples man. Quick, you know, was was magic with the way he was sample man. But like I said, he he followed in the footsteps to Dre. I mean, he knew what he wanted to do and how he wanted to do it. So he took you know, the Dre style mixed in his own thing, and then took the easy rap style mixed in his own thing, mixed with what we was teaching him and showing him and sharing with him, and and that just you know, maybe it just grew stronger and stronger and

stronger and stronger, you know. But you know, we was making music and we were man, we had a lot of them, you know, Quick had them underground records that everybody heard on that red tape. And when he first started trying to do that gag bang music, I was telling me, now, you ain't gonna do that over here, you know. So um he did it anyway with whoever would allow him to do it, you know, And so

that was bubbling at the time. It's like I was just talking to somebody recently about how, you know, my main influences that wrapped is you know the Cats from you know, the early the mid eighties, you know, the Big Daddy Canes and Ko rest WANs and and and rock Kims and you know, uh, you know them them Cats was the catch that that when I came in the game there as the Cats, I was, you know, on the level of trying to you know, be the peer of you know, not really realizing that the game

was changing. And then Cats was you know, for lack of better terms, that that music was on its way out and the new music gangsters it was coming in it begins and getting a lot stronger, you know what I'm saying. So even if you know the four maps that Quick and and and second and none was doing. We have music like that too, and you know, but that ain't the music that we did when we was

working on the Penthouse Players Click album. You know, Um, we had options to do whatever we pretty much wanted to do, man, and they had carte blanche over the priority working with Easy and all that. But you know, hindsight is, you know, at the time we over there the Roofless, we didn't know Dre wasn't gonna be there. That this the issue with with Dre and and and and Easy and ice Cube. The ice Cube thing, we knew about that, but we didn't know that that DRE

was gone, you know what I'm saying. Until we was locked in and we was moving forward, we didn't We weren't really aware of you know, because my deal came in ninety one, early ninety one. So like I said, once again, we don't know the inner workings and things that are going on the drama that that Q might have brought the priority and you know, all the you know, the ship that you know you see in the movies.

Now that you're like, oh, that's what happened. You know what I'm saying, that we wouldn't wear all the things going on at the time. Now listen, you said y'all

wasn't aware that Dre was moving on. Do you think that would have affected joe decision to go to Ruthless if you had known that, because I mean, I definitely think it would have affected Easy's decision to funk with us because Easy was really chest moving to get too quick, you know what I'm saying, and and and and on whatever level he wanted to do that on That's what my my hindsight is telling me. Um. But you know,

Rufus was the powerhouse. So you know, Easy was gonna funk with some people and he was gonna get some things, going to have rhythm d and whoever else he was sucking. We're doing music. So you know, Easy was gonna make some ship happen no matter what. But he was just you know, spreading his wings because you know, the man had money and he was still a regular cat, but he was just moving with a lot of power behind

you know. Yeah, I think he would have made different decisions now, you know the money talk, so you know, like I said, only the only difference I would really say was I would have actually Easy for more money, and I think he would have gave it to me for me, you know, naive to certain moves and and cats wasn't really sharing the whole truth with me about what was going on. You know. Uh, you know, things went the way they went, you know, So you believe Easy was done trying to look at Quick kind of

like as a replacement for dr Drink. Absolutely, I believe that, you know what I'm saying. And uh, excuse me, smart man, Oh absolutely, bro Um. I can't say nothing bad about Easy, and you know what I'm saying. Whatever, I actually Easy before he gave me when he started having the mishoes and then on what he was dealing with, you know, he, I mean, we was cool, but you know, I wasn't

one of his confidence. I wasn't one of the people that you know that he looked too too to support whatever he was doing and how he was doing it. So you know, I can't expect nothing but for it to go to it with understanding what I understand that, you know, not the easy in them approach, you guys with that deal. Um well, yes, and no one of my partners either he met he met Jerry or he

met he. I think he met Jerry in a bathroom at one of them high powered restaurants or something and knew who he was and he jeared that him and then one thing led to another. Then Easy expressed interest based on the association and affiliation. We was already kind of like making move because we had been in a couple of situations because we were signed me Quick and Tweet before Quick got his deal over there with Greedy

Greg now at profile. Me Quick and Tweet were signed together with with Roof with my Roof is with with with Heat, with with Sugar and and d O C. When d OC had his accident and left and was doing his own thing was Sugar. It was over there with a white boy name nah oh Man, I can't think of his name, but it was fern Heel to production, it was bro yet it was furn Heel. Yeah, y'all originally was on fern Heel, y'all. One of the first

group that was on Fern exactly fern Heel. And it was funky enough records because it was d O C. That Yeah, you know, we learned a lot of history this nowhere else well yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's been, it's been in the cup, but everybody ain't paying attention, you know, So when we did that, and then you know, we was already making noise and talking ship, you know, and when when Quick stepped off with that underground tape and did what he did over there with greeting now

and and then got the deal atrop at profile and then he dropped in ninety one like a bomb on the game, you know what I'm saying. And then uh, second to none came and a MG was in the cup with bits better have My money, and high Seat was over there affiliated with I'm not your puppet in and so we had a whole thing going at that time, you know what I'm saying, Where where niggas. If we'd have been able to stay together or at least under that umbrella, so to speak, we could have made some

really lovely things happened. But you know, cats agreed the selfishness and and insecurity, and you know, you know, when I was an artist man, that was the camp I came through with High Seed, you know. But this is like later on and all of them in our real lives how powerful it was. But I also saw it what in the unity, I think that thing could have got kept together because I knew that you were kind of like I didn't get to meet you back to then,

but I knew you was making records. But sugar Free too, Yeah, well I was later on in the game because sugar Free, well, I think wasn't even a part of it in the beginning. It was locked up, you know what I'm saying. But um, by that time, you know, Quick was in a in a much more comfortable and powerful position. But everybody he was associating with it a with wasn't necessarily forthcoming with with what really needed to be known to build something that was you know of the comparison of of Ruthless

or death Row or or anything like. The niggas wanted it, but you know, niggas didn't know how to go about it. On me, I guess, I mean, you know, I know I didn't, you know what I'm saying. Now, looked though, because y'are in y'all, dude eventually land on Ruthless. Talk about when that debut nation wide album came out, Like what was the reception, what was some of your bigger

markets as the West Coast? Because uh, I'm a lot younger than y'all, I'm four years old, but I remember them these records coming out of the West coast, you know what I mean. We had love in the Midwest, real love in Chicago, Detroit, you know, and down south we have real love in a lot of places. On me because our album Game out, they do number one

on heat Seekers. So they was pushing the line because that alliance between it and Easy was something that, you know, that made noise, you know, and we was like the group that I was allowed to make that noise, you know what I'm saying. But see, the thing was, you know, you got business attentions that don't necessarily come to fruition because certain people don't want to see it and they don't want to share certain truths with you. So you might have big ideas but not knowing what to take

to make them happen. Because initially I wasn't I was signed alone as Penthouse players. Click Quick wasn't on that paperwork, Tweet wasn't on that paperwork. I brought that situation together because of my ties and affiliations with them, you see what I'm saying. And so when it was time to basically for Ruthless Priority to sign Tweet rather than sign him, they wanted to amend the Penthouse players click paperwork to

make him a part of that. And it was an issue behind that because I don't know if they gave that man some money or not. I know that man didn't get me no money. I'm saying twee, he didn't give me no money. But I looked out for tweet and gay that nigga's money when he was on my album.

You see what I'm saying. But you know, the bottom line was the initial thing was to do you know, Penouse players click tweet Cadillac album, play a hand album, and then another Penouse players click album, all within the first you know, twelve to eighteen or the two years to try to build something like that. You see what I'm saying. Because we was already locked in because I wasn't signed just playing hand me. I was signed as

Pinouts Players. So even though the branded thing wasn't really as big as it is now, it was still a direction we was trying to go in with what we were doing, you know, but we didn't have you know, I didn't have to management, I didn't have an attorneys, and I didn't have had a guidance. I didn't have all the things that you know, that even the nigga is right next to me, even nigga's like quick on me, he didn't. He didn't put my coattail when it came down.

You know, A you're gonna need this, and you're gonna need that, and you're gonna need to do this, and you're gonna need to do that, you know. And I probably wouldn't pay no attention to the nick anybody. But the bottom line was, he didn't even give me that opportunity, you know what I'm saying. Couple of things like that, when the nigga know something and you don't tell us. Nigga supposed to be supposed to be brothers and he know, you know, he know, Oh over there, you're gonna do

your thing. So I'm don't let you go over there, you know what I'm saying. That's just the type of ship we dinner with. Man. You know, I wanted to ask you about some lyrics to the song man A quick head and safety something because he mentioned you. My niggas playing him and Xina gave me a place to stay on my way up from bottom rock bitches starting to job because my hair is getting longer and games getting stronger to pull to put my way. That went and got a job. But by then him Engina really

started the squad. But whether I should should go or stay, she told him either he goes and you go. So we both was on our way. Yeah, you left your woman behind quick, nah, bro, I left my woman behind with her and I were going through. But definitely, you know that was part of you know what I'm saying, pursuing your dream and and wanting to be what you wanna be, and uh, you know you're dealing with issues that you know, who could see you know what I'm saying.

At that time, It's like, you know, the things we were doing. You know, I got niggas up in in my house with my kids, and you know, we're trying to make music and we're doing with niggas doing We had pent house players click, so we attracted a certain element, you know what I'm saying that niggas in the streets doing things. So there's a lot going on at the time, a lot of pulling niggas in different directions. You know, it just was different happens relationship. Excuse me, I said,

So it was it was kind of more like the atmosphere. Absolutely, man you know. I mean I I could get into a whole lot of personal ship as to why you know, I think, you know, ship with a certain way that they went. But the bottom line is that Nigga telling

the true story. She did actually shoot that ultimatum and Nigga away, and I did choose, you know, based on everything a career and that move when I had that option as opposed to I'm gonna stay here and deal with his mouth, you know, when his mouth ain't serving me like I really want to be served, you know what I'm saying. You know, when you yell, you did what you do. Man. So you know, me and Geno is partners right now. That's one of my best friends.

You know, do some Joey's other mothers, so you know, all bs to the left. You know. The motivation and inspiration in this music game is you know, who's to say what's next? You know? Yeah? Yeah, after the debut album come out, you're seeing stuff kind of taking off. But like you said, you've got bigger ideas and they're

not going their place. Is this turning you off from the music industry, not from rapping, but from the music industry, Nah, Man, it was turning me off from dealing with certain niggas on a certain level though the show. You know what I'm saying when I said niggas, I ain't just talking about black man, you know, I'm talking about niggas and bitches and white black you know. So it's like it's

like you're dealing with people on a certain level. Like I said once again, you know, it's difficult to throw yourself under the bus on me. But I wasn't the easiest cat to talk to. You know what I'm saying.

I wasn't the easiest person to tell somewhere or God if you didn't love me and I didn't know it, and I didn't love you and you didn't know it, and that on respect and integrity that come with you know, and my niggas who would have been my niggas that would have been able to you know, control certain movement that was wise enough. You know, they was doing time my hustlers, that that was really in a position to really you know, really like nigga, we're gonna do this.

Then niggas they was doing other things or they was you know, they was locked away a range at this time, like when this was like more the Ruthless deal was ninety two, so I was twenty eight, so twenty seven because we had that. The album came in ninety two, so I was signed in ninety one. But we was working with uh, you know, like beginning to making this ship happen around eighty eight with me a Quick and Tweet.

When Quick came to be a part of the Click, it wasn't six months before we got our first record deal we get, so that was I was about twenty four. Then you see what I'm saying. So it wasn't that you know, and nigga wasn't old enough to know better. It was that a nigga wasn't shown what he needed to be shown. Was what we was into, was what

we was into, you know. And so if you wasn't that type of businessman or that type of hustler, you know, if you was allowing yourself to be distracted by the menial, trivial things that don't really matter in a in a in a real man's reality, then you're gonna deal with what you're dining with. Didn't go through what you're going through in your priorities, gonna be that what they were, you know, and then they're gonna tell you're gonna take

advantage of your ignorance. You know, you got niggas in the street getting money, maggas, I was dealing with hustler cats on me in the neighborhood. Niggas that was, you know, riding bins and and moving weight. I mean, you know what I'm saying. The niggas was giving me money and and looking out and and helping. And now I want to be down with that hand. So even though you know how it was back then niggas was gang banging and hustling. Niggas wasn't wrapping. Niggas was clowning niggas with

this rap ship you know. Now, you know back then maybe two out of twenty niggas or thirty niggas, the fifty niggas was working with music and wrapping. You know what I'm saying. It was it was fifteen why niggas gang banging and tien fifteen niggas hustling, and the rest of these niggas was trying to do whatever they was trying to do. It they was dope things or whatever, you know what I'm saying. So the game you're gonna flip,

you know, and you had to really have talent. You really have to be saying something back then, you really had to have all the ducks in the roll, so to speak. Everybody didn't sound a like you know what I'm saying. When somebody came out, knew they was different. They was they they brought something different to the table. You ain't like the ship that's hot, the ship they pushing. Yeah, just do that, you know what I'm saying. That ship

changed after Gangster Rap. You know, so how would you say that was shaping your sound at the time, because y'all had some rancors, but to compete with what was going on because the death Rowers took off summer ninety two exactly exactly. But you know, once again, you know the game was changing. You know, it was different things in control from from hindsight as far as I'm concerned, And and and when you think about everything that involved, that's ball involved in that. You know, death Row was

was once again another powerhouse. But where's death Row to day? You know what I'm saying. So with with an understanding of of of looking back, you know, of course, I'm sure you know cats if they had the opportunity, would have done things a little different, you know. But at the same time you know that this rap game eat its own man. Well, me and my brother like to do is we like to correct people when they say the rap game or the music game, because with games

you get prizes. With music, that's a business. And if you think it's a game, then that's why people lose that it because they don't understand it. It's a business. Because you just told us, the twenty eight year old you, if you knew better, you would have did better with the business, you feel me. So we always make sure to say that people, this ain't the rap game, it's the music business. And when you do business that in resort of his money. When you play a game, you

either win a prize or you lose everything. And too many people say the game and they lose everything. So that's why we say this is the music business. Well absolutely, but once again, you know, I respect that perspective a thousand percent. But you know, the basketball, you know, league, it's a game, and all these different sports is games. Boxing is a game. You know what I'm saying, all

these different it's a game too. But you gotta have your business right as somebody around you that got their business right otherwise, you know, this this game to eat its own, that business and eat its own because you know, since the beginning of of of the the exploitation of art and other people's talents, you know, this game is built on people manipulating the ignorance of those with the

greatest talent. And that's why you've got people like Mike and Prints and certain individuals who was like, no, I'm I'm bucking against that. And now you got this cat Kanye who's really like saying, you know, y'all got me fucked up, you know what I'm saying. So Kanye is really one of the you know what I'm seeing his movement. He's really gonna bridge the gap, you know, if he's allowed to, you know, protect himself on the level necessary.

He's gonna bridge the gap between Martin, Malcolm, Matt Good and Prince and Michael and Mohammed. You know, kanyaking bridge that gap. Man. You know what I'm saying, It becomes tupop Obama. You know what I'm saying. Let me because you was around two of the possibly the greatest, two of the greatest CEOs black music on the West coast, not just the West Coast of Music, Eric Wright and Sugar Night Young Shig. Back when fern here was cracking. How was his demeanor back then? Was he was he

the aggressive ship? Was? He wasn't king blood back then? That's all I can said. You know what I'm saying. Um, it was love and respect, you know what I'm saying. But it wasn't you know, all that ship wasn't going on. You know, it wasn't. That wasn't what was popping. You know what I'm saying. But I guess you know, when you get to a certain level, you got more options. You know, of course, you know, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. You know, I don't mean, I

don't mean no disrespect. The ship many showed us loved and when they didn't move fast enough in the nigger step to him and like, look, man, we need to go with you ain't gonna do what you you know, if we ain't gonna do nothing, Shook said, getting my money back, and you can go sho man. You know, we man his money back and stepped off. And when we did that, that's when Quick went over there with greedy. Now and you know it was his shoes behind that because you know, we thought we was moving in a

different direction. But you know, I said, Man, I ain't mad at about none of that. You know, it's never signed, Greg, No, I wouldn't signed. I wouldn't with Greedy like that. You know what I'm saying. Uh, if it was a lot

involved once again, you know what I'm saying. With with the way Cats was moving and getting down and so huh, that could have derailed that move Quickly made with Greedy, Gray could have derailed his career because he wanted if they have a major problems with profile record, Remember they had him with suspicion and stuff. Quick made a lot of decisions from you know how they say, man hurt people,

hurt people. Quickness probably holding down and holding back a lot of pain and frustration and that he felt with his family and and whatever other relationships and whatever else was going on the side of his head. On me, you know, you know, I don't funk with him like that right now. So I don't know, you know what I'm saying. It saddens me that that, you know, we don't have a relationship that we could have had based

on what we had in the beginning. You know, But I'd rather, I'd rather know the truth now then to be caught up in with with more to lose than ever, because you know, you funk with certain niggas. Man, you know, you get caught up in the n you know, and then then you gotta and then they gotta deal with a lot of ships. I don't have to deal with On me. I don't look show in these streets. On me, I don't worry about things. And nigga's worried about a

walk in places. They might not know who I am, but if they find out my name, I ain't worried about the nigga running up on me with a big ship. You know what I'm saying now? Now, I don't know, you know what the future whold, But I don't know the bottom line is, you know. I just you know Burton No Bridge is a fund over nobody man that that I'm worried about coming back at. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I looks earlier. You mentioned like you like with Jinna. You've got two sons. Do any of

your children do music? Young Johns man, I'm there the l a Johns Now then you know, yeah game on me? Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, My boys. Man, both of them is my son? Tell me? And uh yeah, you know it's been steal from them, you know the very beginning. I'm not one of the cash that don't want my niggas to do what I did better, you know. I mean, you know, you look at Caster's got their boys and their children up in

this game, and they only want them motherfucker's to blow up. Man, It's like, niggah, I ain't touching that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, because people gotta know that you and your son on his corner when they come to this ship. Because the whole reason that somebody wouldn't be like you can only take it so far, right. If I'm a I only reached where the people allowed me to go. If my kids can take the be time and be the best in the world, guess what that is, y'all.

Manager not because I haven't seen this ship and I ain't gonn let it happened, y'all. And when I tell you that, when I tell you that they beached dog, you could tell that they was reared under some truth. I'm seeing the monsters and you know steal now. You know I'm man now, and I'm pretty sure you know their dad man. Of course he overseeing everything. But I managed the man then is my little monsters, and we

got something. We got something brewing because the things people don't understand these labels, the way the record labels work today, Like I ain't gonna putting the stuff out there, and now I will be talking to some people actually right now. But when you talk, even if even when you're talking to the head dude that for the record lay them, he has to have certain people in that building there's gonna be willing the journey on his cause with him.

So when he brings that record up and say I want to sign this group, you gotta remember when you say you can sign a group, you're committing to a lot of money and a lot of resources. So you want to make sure that whole building is on board with your decision that you make. So right now we're floating through one of the major buildings, Dog and just kind of like letting everybody putting their ears some stuff. And right now we're getting good feedback. Though, But it

ain't as easy as people think. When you go to get a record deal, Dog, it's gotta be a lot. Even if people didn't do especially when the game, the business, it's prone to funk over you. Yeah, if you allow it, you see what I'm saying. So if you're coming in and they know and I am there to fund him, so then the question becomes do I even want to be involved and do I want to see him with something?

Because I'm gonna be able to manipulate that situation the way I'm used to, especially with our own thing kind of because we already got a river, got a million views on it before we even took somebody's giving a place. You know, we come up in there, it ain't gonna be just We're not just saying anything. It's softened. You know what I'm saying. It's uh, it's it's legitimate. It's not it's not something that's just just just docked it up and you know, blowing up in your face. You

think it's something that's not. It's not that fit now, you know what I'm saying. It ain't. It's that real ship, you know. So it's like a situation where you know, we just want to we really just want to deal with people that feel like we feel and roll with people that roll like we're doing right now. I feel like that's what we're doing. You know what I'm saying that everybody who get involved, you know, I feel like, you know, they want of us. You know what I'm saying.

We all cut of the same cloth, from from a from a different motherfucking pattern, you know what I'm saying. But it's all love, you know what I'm saying. So it's a situation where it's too much potential in what we're doing for Nikkas to not appreciate and respect. How are we coming in this motherfucker this time? You know? So? So I noticed you had said that you don't really rock with quick right now? Is this a situation where that can be rectified with a conversation? Man the man? Uh?

Can it be rectified with a conversation? Man the man? No? But what it can do, what it can do is established right what it can do was established a fair exchange in the moment, Yeah, and then the next fair exchange, and then the next fair exchange. Because you know, I don't know what he trusts a how he move, but who around and what they do? Yeah. So you know, you walk into grocery store and you know, as long as they don't stink and it ain't too dirty. You

go over to the butcher. You know you you're gonna trust that when whatever you buy, it's gonna it's gonna be healthy for your family. Yeah. Now I'm gonna tell you why I ask that too, right, I asked, because your son is coming up in the game. They yeah, I at l A. I mean I talked to people all the time. I say, what's your dream collaboration, If you can get one producer. I always hear one or two producers. When the people coming from the West Coast, it's either gonna be dre or it's gonna be Quick.

And I asked that because when that time come, I would hate for Quick to not be one hunted and work with the next up and coming because he got it. Oh issue what they did because play but I'm a little him break that down. Well, if Quick wanted to see Nikkas with something moment, he the best single. Yeah. See, people can say whatever they want to say from a lack of understanding or lack of knowledge. But quickly that his own record label, Man System, quickly put out music

whenever he wants to. We got next ships with radio stations. Quick can do whatever you want to do. And obviously that's what he do. Now, if he ain't putting nobody out, he's been at a label for twenty years. If he ain't putting no artists out. And no, he didn't put out Second or nine. No, he didn't put out ship Free. No he didn't put out most birds. No, he didn't put out nobody but himself. So if he wanted to

do more, he would, you know what I'm saying. So if he ain't funning with niggas, you know, I have some other niggas, some real artists. If they've been around him, you ain't. Niggas might be honest and niggas might be like man, I ain't touched. You know what I'm saying. It's like man, you know on the eight seven eighty eight Man my big Joe west Man. He thirty four, thirty five years old. Now he was a baby when Quick came around, hold me DJ Quick Talk, du Smack,

how to ride a bike on me? And there what I'm saying he was, he was, That's who he was in our reality. Like I said, he's slept in the room with my sons and they were babies home you understand little boys. So you know, if he wants to see niggas with something and he want to collab He man, I don't stay cracked for the real ones on me way where I mean, we stayed ready for whatever, you know. So if the man want to do some business and

do some work, we could do some work. But he ain't gonna come with that, you know, nothing less than what we come with it. You know what, either need to come to the table like that because you know the situation was was was you know, a lot of truth should have been shared that wasn't, man, And I can't be mad about that because I should have went elsewhereing got it. But at the same time, moment, you know, quick, did you know sell me a house with no interests?

You know what I'm saying, with no no mark up? You know what I'm saying. So you know he sold it to a nigga with the equity in it. So I can't be mad. But when you know, when it's all boiled down to what's real? Hom me, quick, No, what's real? And and you know I know what's real? You know, Yeah, that's understandable you don't, but yeah, I had to ask that though, because that's what the people were don't want to know we're funk with quick If Quickly want to funk with us, we ain't gonna We

ain't gonna put no cut on the second. Yeah, we ain't gonna serving nigga. No, no, no sixty four, no fifty fifty ft sixty's gonna serving nigga thousand a thousand, you know. And it ain't like that. Then we don't even need to play with each other's intelligence, you know. Yeah, let me ask you because I was asking you about the CEO s Man. Yeah, because I knew a lot of stuff about Easy though, a whole lot of stuff. It's Easy was a joker, the funniest people around. What

was your relationship like with Easy Man? Easy was like I'm my recollection is He kept at business. But he wasn't you know, he wasn't overbearing. He wasn't he didn't consider himself above and nigga. He considered the nigga as his peer, right, But at the same time, he knew who he was and how much was was back in him, you know what I'm saying. And so it wasn't like he gave me, you know, the game. He gave Quick more game than he gave me. You know, I was

an artist. I was his artist. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Is it because him and Quick um build a different relationship like hung together more because you was the artist where you just do cutting records and leaving. Oh absolutely absolutely brouh. Like I said, I wasn't there right And a lot of this is speculation in just my opinion, but Quick Easy desired that relationship with Quick

and Pentouse players. Click was away to facilitate that, you know what I'm saying, that's my opinion, right, So I know that, you know, even if Quick wasn't going to Easy or he was, I know Quick, I mean, I know Easy with the type of cat. When I found out that Easy and Quick had the same accountants, you see what I'm saying. I couldn't have the same accounts because I'm as artist. You know. When I found out that Easy and Quick had the same accounts, that wasn't

because of Quick, that was because Easy. Because that meant Easy said I'm gonna put you on I'm a lot, I'm to help you with something. I'm gonna help you. You see what I'm saying. Because Quick obviously needed what Easy represented, and he gravitated towards that on one level or another. But Easy was a smart man on you know what I'm saying that you can't the same thing about about should Should was smart to do what he did, but then a lot of ship wasn't so smart. You

know what I'm saying. We all of us are like that. We make a lot of wise ship wise moves, and then we make a lot of stupid moves. You know what I'm saying, not so wise moves. You know that when you was over a roofless am did ask some good producers. You mentioned Rhythm d I know DJ Bob Kenny came in there at one time. It's like the here producer in your head. Um, y'all asked some mother cash to above and law which game he has? Another mistake I made het me see, I should have sunked

with them niggas back then. I had actually that sucking with a lot of people. You know, um um, when I already asked me who I wanted to like do music, But I think the only person I said was scar Face, you know what I'm saying. So they're trying to put that together. But you know I could have said anybody.

I could have said rock can't I could have said kr Res, I could have said, all my label makes the priority, you know what I'm saying, whoever was over there doing their thing, But that ain't what I did,

you see what I'm saying, So that's on me. But at the same time, you know, our album was produced exclusively by DJ Quick, with one song by battle Cat that that they ultimately gave Quick the credit for, and that was just to keep your attention, you know what I'm saying, plus a little production that I did because I was playing in with it, and then Quick just basically screwed and and did what he did and made

it do what it do, which was jealous knuckleheads. But the bottom line is, you know, back then, things were different. You know a lot of things were different. It was only you know, it was only it was limited ways to make it happen. Now it's it's pretty much unlimited ways. But it's still a limitation as far as going to that next level. You gotta really, you know, hit the lottery to go to the next level without some associations

or filiations with something that's already tracked. You know. Now I'm gonna talk about some I'm gonna talk about some crazy stuff. And this ain't I ain't trying to pitch nobody off of them the East to play with the Uigi boards around you. Did you ever hear about them playing I didn't. I didn't. I didn't see that side of him moment. My my opinion isn't Easy was working with that. He just didn't know what he was working with, man, because he thought it was a game or a joke. Huh.

But you had heard that before though, right, I heard something to that extent that he toyed with that. You know what I'm saying. You know that was one of the things people, and I'd like to ask people it was around Easy because nobody will ever come on camera and see it. And I ain't saying that, you know, because am you? You didn't mess with him like evidently m uh yeah. People tell me he missed with that doing it might have been him because he was a jokester.

Right Still, that's your favorite easy question. Anybody who was around Easy to eat, that's your favorite question to ask. Well, I mean, you know, when it comes to spiritual things, man, everybody got their way, they get out, you know what I'm saying. Uh, ship happens man, Uh I wasn't near them, I didn't have I didn't know, I didn't have to

deal with none of that that negative energy. Man, Thank goodness, that's probably do one that wants a kid to my mom, man, praying over my life and my reality on so my mother and the people that you know, in spite of me, you know, not doing what they told me to do, and and still doing what I did, but still being blessed to make it through, you know what I'm saying,

and not be caught up. You know, never called no case, never called no d y, you know, never never got you know, never been on child support for more than a couple of months till I handled that business, you know what I'm saying. So it's I'm blessed to be the made it through to this point. You know what I'm saying. Do not lets just where did you land after the Ruthless album? Because you didn't. I can tell to this day you never stopped making music. So where

did you land and what type of uh? How did you feel about the industry after You're done? Had everything far as a number one record? Because it's it's mad niggas who wrapped everybody can't say they had a number one record hunt yeah, even though it wasn't not hellable, but anyway, no, no, no, no man, no down't play you never because that was number one, even even do the heat Seekers even exists. Now, it's just all love. You know, I ain't trying to make it sound like

I ain't. I ain't grateful, you know, I really am on me and it just blow me to it what I fucked up. But anyway, let's just keep you know. It's like it's like, you know, I deal with with some mohomies on some love ship, my nigga Charlie and j T. We had Excel Records, you know what I'm saying. And uh that was around the Sugar Free time, right when I was making music, and I did some really

good music with my niggas. You know. Then after that, I was over there at uh working with Brainstormer and like a big bot, and then Greedy was involved to a certain extent. It's another, you know, another story. But but anyway, Uh so I bounced around, kept making music and kept trying to you know, affiliate with different ships and you know, making music here, guesting here, guesting there. But I never really uh you know, pushed like like I like I probably should have been could have you know.

But you know, you know, when my sons became of age and we started really trying to you know, plug them in. So you know, they got music with some high powered cats. They got music with Glasses, they got music with Jelly Roll, they got music with Black Token, they got music with UH Day One, they got music with UH Battle Cat. You know what I'm saying. They got music with with UH, with a lot of different niggas. Man,

they're working on music with other cats. And so you know, my niggas has grown men, and I'm proud of them and what they're doing and how they represent, you know, to the next level, you know. And so you know, I've always tried instilling them to stand on their own and be their own and do their own thing, you know. And so all I was just give them everything that I got to give them and allowed them to pick and choose of it what they want to take and what they want to leave there. I can't be mad

at you know. Let me ask you this, man, So you know that Sugar Free came in on the tail end, what did you think of Royal Rock when you first heard you knew came in as Royal Rock. First. I liked the stabb of the comedic way he wrapped about that pimp and in the way he did this thing. It was, it was real clever, you know what I'm saying. It was I had to respect it. And then when he gave me so much love, you know what I'm saying, and allowed me to be a part of that debut project.

You know, it was the most eyes I've never had on anything I've ever done. You know, that's the most radio player I ever got on the song I ever been on, you know what I'm saying. So so even though I got cut out, you know, of of a lot of that because that ship blew up bigger than they thought it was, you know, because on the original version, I got the whole second verse, you know what I'm saying on the video And I don't even know I got cut out like that until I showed up at

the video shoot uninvited. Nig didn't even tell me about the video shoot rom you know what I'm saying. I just happened to find out through some other niggas and pulled up ready to go, and I'm like, I don't even trip off Nigga is not telling me right what I'm telling you. When they start playing the song on me and I'm thinking it was time for my verse and make a sicker free start rapping again, I was

kind of shocked, you know what I'm saying. Of Course, I still played my position and did my thing, you know, and waited to see if I was on the third verse still or not. You know what I'm saying. That was a That was a heavy Uh. That was a heavy blow man. I took that though. You know, now who think who? Who? Who? I think made that decision? Yeah, it had to be the hierarchy over there at Shepard Lane, you know what I'm saying. It had to be they had to agree to uh stand CHEVD Tony Lane dj

uh the other cat naming was involved. You know, it had to be him on. You know what I'm saying. They had to do that together. They had and didn't not tell me though as it's funked up, they could have told me. I wouldn't. You know. It's a trick man, how that ship go. A lot of that be because when when they be when people be doing them slide bar move. I'm just saying overall in the industry, they

forget people grown man. You could just tell me, bro, hey, look we're going in a different direction, because the hard feeling is gonna be created when you just take me off and don't tell me about the video. You could have just told me, pind of like, look, we're going in a different direction. I'm sure you would have respected that. You might have been upset, but you would have respected it more you feeling. I mean, of course, I wouldn't have had no choice, you know what I'm saying, Just

like I didn't have no choice right there. But at the same time, you know why even though you know it's like it's it's moved now, but but but why do that? It ain't like they made the record better taking me taking me off, because the record was already moving, right record on that you know, like the most that was the record that I said, that's the one that put him on the map. You know what I'm saying. You don't know what we're talking about about if you

stay ready, yeah, exactly. So it's like it's like it ain't like I didn't do my thing on that record, you know what I'm saying. So I feel, you know, in all honesty, and I'm gonna just say it. I feel like niggas didn't want me to shine. You know what I'm saying. They didn't want me to get that Shoine because I wasn't locked in no situation with them and had that ship allowed me the opportunity to blow from a from that the whole second verse, that level.

You know what I'm saying it If they didn't, they couldn't control that were you want excuse me, you want being in that video though? Right, yeah, I was there and I was in the video. I'm still in the third verse. They still gave me my few bars in the third verse, and I'm still there, you know what I'm saying. But just like on the original version of the album version and say shippar Free, We'll play a hand.

But when they remixed it and say sugar Free with DJ Quick, you see what I'm saying, saying telling y'all to stay ready, you ain't gonna get ready. So that's the radio version, But my verse was already radio y'all. I was already ahead of the game when it came to that. I'm like, man, I mine, I'm wrapped. I'm not gonna just cuss on ship no more. But they gotta you know, now, I'm gonna make my ship radio or still keeping, you know, make niggas think they got

cutched out, you know what I'm saying. But the bottom line is, you know that was that was in addition to whatever business move they thought they was making. They didn't want me to shine on me like that on me. They just took that shine from you. But you know because you mad at none of the niggas, man, because I don't think black I don't think black tune. Honestly, I don't think that was his get done. I don't think he even cared about ship like that. Really well,

he was. He's the lane of Shepherd Lane. You know what I'm saying. You know you like that. He damned I don't do him like that. You know what. We're cool at fuck, but that ain't my big on you

know what I'm saying. And it's when the business come into because you start talking about publishing, split some songs now, and the song was performing really well, so it's easy for them to say, hey man, we do on this, do quick publishing, and we got this cat play him and then he gotta have the pups on that song. We need to change that exactly, Brox. That's that's where the business coming into that public issue today. You know what I'm saying. That's still because the original version still

is what it is, you know. But it's still a issue when it comes to that owner ship right now, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you ain't so let me ask you this then, because that was a big record and you didn't get your publishing off that song like he was supposed to go. I didn't get my whole peace, I gotta I got a portion, but I didn't get my whole portion, because that would have

been a nice little check about that time. Though it was coming nice at first, you know what I'm saying, and then all of a sudden the numbers got changed. And when I send my people to check it out, he said, the numbers changed, And I'm like, well, who does that? Where do you do that? How do they do that? You know what I'm saying. So you know, it's still an issue right now that that's got to be hired out, you know. But now, look, where do you get your nickname from? Because you you l A

it's usually something different. You can you play in hand like where where that comes? Well, you know, in high school, ho me my boy j B. Man, my brother from another mother Man and the cat I've been looking up to ever since we've been adults. Man for everything he represents. He uh you know, I had a business partner of mine.

Um he gave me that name hand right because in the high school band, uh, we all we play Susie together and so when the when the when the band conductor would call on somebody from our section to play a certain section of the song, I would always raise my hand, Oh hey, I play it. I played and just start playing it because I could play. You know what I'm saying, read music, and everything sues the phone tooba okay, yeah, so you know the base on so uh you know, and it would say, look at the

big hand. You know what I'm saying, the big hand. So they just start calling me big hand at first, you know what I'm saying. And then from there as you know, a nigga demeanor and approach to the reality mature the player. Things just came in. Play her hand, look at play her hand, and it just it's stuck. You know what I'm saying. It wants the Nigget discovered that click name Homie and what I said seeing the homie with the jaggon on and and added the mother

descriptive narrative to it. You know what I'm saying, It became you know something I still represent to this day. You know it was the penthouse players. Click. You gotta tell me that you had a penhouse before? Right? Excuse me, I said you had a penhouse before? Right? Everywhere I dwell with the penthouse on that for the doghouse, the penhouse. Don't know what I'm saying. Yeah, every everywhere out to live, they can call it the penhouse. I mean, if if

I just post up for a moment, maybe it's the penhouse. Now, it's all I want to go back to something real quick, Man, because I think you're very underrated as well as above the law. I don't think above the law getting nowhere near the credit that they should get man. Because they were very not seeing that Drake would never be d as the ship as there was DJ Quick. We can't

never get that confused. But hutch gold Mac and letm care some was conbusive for them dog Drake because they talked Warren g gotta produce yeah, they got some ship from them dogs and don't do the ship. I think y'all could have did some incredible ship, ain't them? Hey? And we still can on me, I'll foxed with hutch you know what I'm saying. We just ain't. We did a little something a couple of times, but our foxed with hutch Man, we were gonna probably put something together

again real soon. Man. My brother was intern in Psychopathic Records and he was there the day that they signed hutch And he was the only person in the office besides I c P who knew who Hud you was? Bro? Wow was that be? That was after Ruthless? This was way after Ruthless? This was this was way after Ruthless Hutching Like, huh fo No, it probably was about ten for real, for real, it's more than ten. But huh, I remember when he signed over there. Ye, my brother

was the only person in the office. He was like, Bro, you you you hut from a bud of law. Hud couldn't believe it, you know, the only person who knew who he was. Yeah, that's why they got a hold different fan base, type of crowd exactly. But when you play their music, man, you know, you know where it came from home, and you know they influenced on me and and Hutch been real humble about that, but at

the same time passes progressive with it, you know. But he really, you know, he know what he can do, man, and he still do it, you know, fearlessly. You know what I'm saying, number love and respect for hus Man plan on me. I'll respect that, the whole Promona car Man, Niggah Pipping Young, even that nigga Percy Man. You know, you know I got love for them niggas man, you know, yeah, for real real man. Well, man, I appreciate you coming on brother. He's log I gotta say my nigga weel log.

I can't do it. I can't talk at where can people get at you? At him? Man? You know what's that Pinouts playing ham on me on all the platforms on me, and you know I'm about to, you know, set off this other podcast thing to man, the pay opinion. Man. I've been pushing though little sprinkles here and there, but you know I'm gonna have to have my niggas come up with me on mine too. You know, whatever help you need for much man, you let me know. I'm for sure, baby, I appreciate it. Man, you know what

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