Peace Treaty

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coming to you right now, James. We got some cats in here, man, that have probably a hundred years of history combined. Are going to come to these streets. These guys over hundred years. I'm I'm I'm estimating over a hundred years of street experience. Sitting right here in front of he was going wide doing time when I was a weighty boster. I'm assuming that these three brothers that are sitting right here with us have at least thirty thirty plus years in the streets. That's over a hundred

years a little more than that. So let's go ahead. Let's go ahead and introduce these brothers. All the way to my right is little Doc from six nine that's doing some phenomenal work right now in going into and then we got two brothers from eight seven kitchen. We got Pork and Smokey over here. What's our fellas? Hey man, I want to thank you guys for coming down to

be on another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. And I'm glad that James has a little history with with with two of the brothers at least, well I have history with with both sets, is that right? But the seven sixties goes I had a problem with one guy, uh I had mentioned. I know you probably don't want his name, but he was he was a motherucker. He don only want to gave me problems. Uh with the kitchens, I said every time on my on on this show, how I was involved in and on that side of the

town as well as in Compton. Uh. Uh Still, Bill, we grew up together babies, and the only thing that divided us is been from different different neighborhoods. Uh Runt was my ride to die, which is a no Kitchen cript, and I would die for him. He's from the Munson family. You gotta shout out the months we did our thing and and and these guys here. I was just I was just telling smoke about the bush dances. So I go that far back. So I do have a history

with Kitchen Crip. Uh My sister married uh Am Yeah, yeah, and uh you know, I wanted to tell y'all when when when Mario was shot. You know, I got like seven bloods to go to the goddamn mar Luke Kenny giving blood and we all sat in that chair and gave him blood. And they asked me, and it's quit, why are you doing that? Because the family, you know what I'm saying, and and that attachment there, you know, sometimes it broke us up because we was from different places.

And then when uh Run was killed, I was like like devastated when he got killed. And I pretty much hated everything, but I always stayed in contact. Was we in China in eighties seven? No, it was it was somebody else from Kitchen. We was in there and they tried to kick us out of the damn day room. It was somebody, But anyway, man, I appreciate y'all being here, and we we got a lot of history here and I'm ready to let's get it going. Well. These three

brothers is I called treat activists. I don't know what you guys call yourselves, but y'all doing some incredible work, work that a lot of people didn't think was possible. I mean, I don't even know where to start, man, but I guess let's just start with your all. Your transitions from being bangers from your neighborhood to now peacemakers. That's a huge transition, and I know it doesn't happen overnight, So let's start with your pork. Well, I've really been well,

I've really been involved trying to make things right. When I was with Arkansas called Mad Dads a long time ago, and it kind of failed, but failed below the waist and um, But this time were not that we stand hooking up with Doc and a couple other brothers. I'm really older now and I understand I'm within on now, you know. So it wasn't none of that. Oh No,

we lost community homies. We would never be able to do this, you know what the back what we did was see doc for example, been talking to my homeboy Kitching Mo for a while when they was in the pain together. And when Kitchen Moo got out of he was talking about it because he made it. He made a statement on the video that when you were locked up, it ain't the same as you are on the streets. So East coaches and he was hanging with kitchens. Um

with kitchen East Coast was hanging in jail. So when he got out evolved that you know, he wasn't gonna go against another coast because they was kicking it in jail. And for you people don't understand that when you go to prison, cripts hanging with cripts, bloods hanging with bloods, regardless of the beachs or whatever, and you gotta come together some kind of way in there, and that's how you survived, all right, Smoke. How did you get into

the work, basically? Um, I got into the work a while ago when you mentioned Mad Dads, I'm the person who who started Mad Dad's in l A. You know, there was a group of brothers I found out about in Omar, Nebraska, which made me find out what they was about. And so I got with some brothers in l A and we started and we started up doing the Mad Dads. And Porky was right there with me, man, every step of the way, you know, because he's like you know, he's like my little brother. You know what

I'm saying. I met him go back so far, you know. But uh, I've just been I was. I was tired a long time ago. This was right after the right before the riots, Rodney King riots, you know, when we started the Mad Dad's. Uh, So I was. I had been tired for a while, you know, because I had been a father for for for a long time. You know, I'm a father of team kids. Whoa so I got you know, I got eight boys and two girls, man, and so uh, I wanted to see my kids men

grow up in a better environment. And so I know I have to change my lifetime, you know what I'm saying. So I was, I've been working on that for a while, you know. And I remember when um, I hollowed at you at the restaurant over there in the hood. What's the name of that spot, um Bobo Bobos. We was at Bobos and uh you was talking a little bit. We got a little bit about the work that you were involved in or not, you know, believe it or not. A couple of people hit me up and said, man,

the kitchens ain't doing none of that stuff. Some of youngsters, of course, And we're gonna talk about dealing with the youngsters at um at some point in this episode. But yeah, man, you're always gonna have haters. Man, yeah, alright, we'll hate those hide behind the counters. Ain't gonna show you in your faith are writing stuff that you never go see.

But when they play big part of this because you got to to two neighborhoods that came and and is this all sixties, I mean East Coast that's when it I put it for all autonomous. Well we're gonna get to that in a moment. But so you got all of it then all the kitchen, I mean, this is a big thing. So you had a little homies that

really don't know the history of neither side. They just we had we had a we had a uh you know in here, and he explained it kind of well, you have gang bangers, and you have gang members, you have catch that Jodan hood but don't know nothing about their hood, but them in the wars that give you more friction? How you how you how you keep them out the way to keep this like one hunted because this is positive. Well, everything right now is a working progress.

Everything is working progress right now. For example, before when Doc and let's talk that the United we stand me and we met Smoke and a couple of more O G hunboys got together. We've been talking about this for like a month and a half before we even did it. Yea, we had people they want to do it. But over you know, we we sat down. It wasn't dead like okay, Porky said, they go do Nah. I had to go all the way to everybody had some harm dead to

him all the when we talked. We had like three folk major meetings before we really sat at the table and we came to the point and it got to happen time for real. Alright, little Doc, how did you get into the work. I'm assuming you got into a relatively young but you had these conversations in prison, which is really part of the work. Yes, sir, I started

uh Man Kitchen Moe. We was talking up in prison together about coming out to the streets because we we've seen what was and then in prison, you know, we just two real you know, crips talking, you know, rivalries, but men kitchen more, never being came at each other, game banging because he grew up in my hood too, so we always was friends. So we never came at each other. And what we did in prison, we saw how we was just up in there getting along, you know,

like it stops right here though. But on the streets we're trying to kill each other and have it at each other. But then we hit the county jail, we're still trying to have it each other. Then we hit the prison yard. Just like I can't do that. Explain that to the millions of listeners of the Gangster chronicles around the world who don't understand that where you added in the streets, you added in the county, but as soon as you hit that level four, everybody's united on

racial lines. Explain it don't have to be a little forward period. Well, I've heard on level ones that people don't really program like that. On level one level that's true, that's true. Like if you if you're on the level one, two and three, sometimes it can be like the county jail because the streets. But at a level of folk prison one eighty you locked in, you know, like I didn't hit Pelican Bay, Calipatri High Desert. All level folds

one eighty yards and you're more scorched in. They don't give you a lot of space in the day room. They don't get a lot of space on the yard. They put gates between the yard, so you won't have a lot of yard as as you would like on the one and two and three, so you must they cut the yard off and run a gate between, and then they say, well, we'll put you guys on this yard, this one and two building, get yard together, and this yard here on the other side of the gate, three

and fold building get yard together. Whereas a one, two and three yard prison, everybody come out to the yard all four buildings, and then you know you have a lot of game bang and still going on. But the level of four, everybody is mostly like people that then basically just don't give a month like you have to be real respectful to people at a level four prisons. If you don't want to get a knife ran up in you, then don't be walking around trying to be

disrespectful to people. You know, you don't even you know, all day long, people is hid. Excuse me, my brother could out, you know, you know, because we all kill us, so you gotta respect another killer. You don't want to say nothing wrong, and the cat just bring it to you because you was disrespectful, the lightest, lightest little disrespect to get you a knife for in up and let

me ask you about respect. Someone told me they was on a level four and the bathroom was directly across, but there was a track field between the bathroom and the track field and the way you go to the bathroom in terms of respecting everybody as you walk around that whole track field and then you go into the bathroom, is that something that is uh? Is that strict on the level four? Well? No, not really like a level of folk. You really just walk the track, you know.

If you're on the track, you walk the track. If you when they had weights, if you live in weights, you're playing handball, anything, then you shoot over to the restrooms. You know. Basically a lot of homies used to be like you know Northeiol's South Side, you know, Black Sports, B GF, C, C O, Blue note, all of those prison organizations and then those who are uncut. That's just straight crips and bloods. It was like, don't go walking

across the enemies. Like if you have south Side meskins kicking them right here and it's thirty of them right here that state car, then you got to go to the restroom and they right there by the restroom take two or three homies with you while you're pissing. They're watching your back just in case they say, oh, they're slipping. He over here taking a piss. Let's let's get let's get this. He's slipping, and they run some iron up

in you. And that's where all the unity comes in that you're talking about what you would have enemies set, but he's probably watching your back while you're taking a piss exactly. So you you now you're up in here. You're on the streets like as a us in kitchens, uh, coming together, trucing and up in the prison system. I got porky and smoke telling me you gotta you gotta pitch dock. I go ahead, we got you do a thing, and uh, you know they're gonna watch my back real quick.

Even though with robberies on the streets and that type of relationship made you into a more h give you a sense of pride for as your people not want to go back to the streets and just say, oh, that go porky from kitchen, that go smoke people, kitch, I'm gonna kill him. You more like, what's up with you, hommie? And then he like, what's up with you? Boy? Like what you're doing out here? Well? I make the or refinery? Yeah they hired you. Got a number on how I

get in there. I'm trying to work too. You know, y'all gonna talk and mingle because you know where you come from and where you've been, so you know, you know, it's a different game now. It seems like that's where the whole gang trups and really is. It's rooted in the relationships and bonds that you guys make in prison and then bring it to the streets. It's like a

maturity thing. You know, you you you become a man at a level fold because you're gonna you're gonna be a man because if you come in there as a boy, you're gonna leave out of man. What happens to an eighteen year old that hits the level four? You know he frashed out, never been the prison before, and he won a gang bang. That's what he's not gonna do. He gonna get some mine, you know what I'm saying. They're they're gonna run some mine and you're gonna get

chalked up in there. You're gonna get talked, You're gonna get you know, either, you're gonna come in there and you're gonna program bro, because they're gonna let you know this is not the county jail, Bro. And then then my homie being up from East Coach Crept, I might have a homie that when pork and smoke come up in there and they say they just getting there, blanket and everything. They're going to get house. They're walking our building when we sleep at it and ourselves our build it.

And they might walk in and we're like, where y'all from? Cause and I'm porting from kitchen, I'm smoking from kitchen. And then we shake their hands, we greet them. I'm a little document. What's up? You know? Your your rooms over here? Humming, We get the water over here. We don't touch these shot whatever we've been separated for as

Messican blacks and whites. We let them know that So when the little young homies that want to be game banging and acting ignorance still and trying to be young and a teams still acting like they want to game ba, you know, we tell them to, you know, shake their hand, homie, and he can be from East coach crypt he might, little homie, but I'm gonna tell him to do that.

And now if feet shaking and half ash shake it, or he tried to act funny, then I'm gonna let him do that in front of smoking and port and then we're gonna pull him to the side, take them up in the cell and be like, why you do that, hommie, Why you disrespect me like that as your g homie. All through them, the enemies. But we want to up here, homie, we need them. That man might say, your life when the rides up, bro, and then we'll suck him up

for them. Now that's deep right there, getting the youngsters and check. But you know it's confusing to a youngster because he was taught to bang on the enemy. He was taught we don't like these people, we hate them. And now all of a sudden you're telling him, no, no, no, he's cool. Now the circumstances and like you just said, this man might save your life. You know what I'm saying, If if it just if it was divided, when the white boys take off, you know, when the Mexicans come you,

you might lose. You know what I'm saying. Anything can happen. So that's what we need on the streets, that structure that these junctions listening to the big hommies, they gotta understand where the fall in line at. You know what I'm saying. You don't have that to day because they're doing what they want to do. They're not respecting no jeeves. You know what I'm saying. In some hoods, maybe you know the call this thing. He said that because I

don't know, Man, is something about our hood. You know. It's like me and Smoke all the armies. We the keys get passed down, the keys get passed. We start getting in our fifties, it's time to pass the keys down, but we pass them down to level heads. I've seen something that was real, real that just blew my mind. And know the work I'm doing right now. I have two of our homies got the keys from both sides eight seven one six, and they talked. They came to

the meetings united, We're standing. We had a meeting. It was so cold I had to turn I had to get out and walk out. Man, I'm like, damn, they understand and they data ones. But of men, smokey go over there. They know we still who we are, but we ain't out there with y'all no more. And y'all gonna respect your big homies. If not y'all, they're gonna handle it. And that's the way we did are so so forth. It's been going cool. Even when we had the truth, it's been going cool because we put it

in two young dudes hands. We met us in the coaches and they young homies mad and so for being respect. Respect, that's what it's all about, man, Respect, you know what I'm saying. And and see that's the thing with a lot of the young homies don't respect a lot of the big homies. How to how the whole thing that's got out of the whack because a lot of the big armies kind of left the little homies out there to see him for themselves. You know what I'm saying.

And that's why me at fifty nine years old, I still keep a relationship with my little homies that represent the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying, and they respect me for that. You know, I ain't got to be over there under them. I got two or three jobs, you know what I'm saying. I ain't got to be over there checking on them. I ain't got to be over there worrying about what they're doing and making sure

they're safe. But because I care, and because I know a lot of them gang banging because they saw me doing it, you know what I'm saying, And so I feel responsible now that I know, I know what's way I posted. They pust a really go to be an example the example I am. Now. I want them to. I want them to grow old like me. I want them to have grandkids like me, you know what I'm saying. But they going the where they're going, They're not gonna get this age, you know what I'm saying. And so

that's what my thing is about. You know, I think it's it went crazy because some of the big homies went to the crack and it's hard to respect, to respect the big homie. But then they look at you, one of the big homies that that still dress good still doing this thing and respect itself. They have to respect you them the ones should be scared of that's still doing anything and it's still coming to the hood and pushing it like that, you know what I'm saying.

So it's hard to still be that nigger. And that's where it's killing it because ain't ready to go do thirty five. I ain't ready to say that. Can't get it to him, like you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. But I mean, is it hard to just keep everybody like go on that shame page like I said. It's like I said, And it took a minute. Look the person we got right now, they sat down, they outolized, they know everything was going on,

and they talked to the youngsters. We got two people that's over over the youngsters and they followed and they've been Like I said, we laid it out for a whole month folk meetings. Everybody said what they didn't like, Everybody said what they liked. Everybody said, Hi, I can come. What we gonna do, And like we said, even with me and Doctor Rode together, we're gon eat Pig Doc up Dot God my homeboy house now. But outside we keep it ass. Doc from these coach, I'm from kitchen.

We ain't gonna mix up no party in because when you mix up that party in, all hell fall loose. And me and Doctor said that, and we even talked to our homies what we meet with each other. It's cool, we gonna do that, but we don't want to party. We don't come you know, alcohol, alcohol, We kick everything. We're gonna fight, somebody gonna be so we already me smoking a big hombies always said, you know what, we're cool and you're honest people, the ninety two truths. That's

what funked that up. Everybody partying and clashing like that in different neighborhoods and this and that, nobody is sitting back or even thinking about. Man, these dudes and killed thirty of our homies. You shouldn't have drinking with these motherfuckers. And at the not I smoked this blunt hume. You know what I'm saying. It's not the place for that. My mentality ain't ready for that, you know what I'm saying. And we gotta look at it. When we was coming up,

we was hard headed, just fun. Can't nobody each other ship. Now we got little homies, We got our nephews, We got our little cousins out there. Now they want to be what we were because they want to emulate that ship. So how you just telling man, you're doing it the wrong way. I'm just gonna say, Man, it's it's hard. Man, It's gonna be up. Because now they got all these different influence influences, you know what, these ramped videos and these rappers just running around, swam down there and did

this and did that, you know what I'm saying. So they got they got a lot of distractions in their life going on, man, And then they got more access to the to the to the hardcore weapons that we didn't have access to. You know, That's why you've got so many killers going on there because a lot of the youngest they they don't know how to fight. You don't know how to fight like real men. You know what I'm saying. I come from the area where you

had to fight, you know what I'm saying. And so me last I wanted to do was pick up a gun. You know what I'm saying. We picked up a gun, but we really had you know, and then and back then, a lot of us had more heart. If you with my ask today, you got me today tomorrow, I won't meet you at the same time tomorrow, and we're gonna see we don't keep thanks. I went when he went back back in the day, you didn't consider yourself a

punk if you I'm but I'm to. But they're here here, You got all you guys in one place, and you look at it, and I look at it like it's a good thing, because it's about time that we wake up and smell of coffee. We're only doing us, but we blame an other motherfucker's for killing ourselves. And now here we got the East coast and we got two kitchens saying fun. We had take the front and we we'll showing you all we can do this ship and

good and you can't get no better than that. And be good man, not worrying about ship, not worrying about if your son want to be out there, you know, and that might not be your son and get killed, but it might be your daughter trying to get it. And you know what I'm saying, and it's I just say, it's about time that we waited up and see that we're not getting the paycheck for doing this. Ship all you feel me. We're losing how many years since you've

been alive, how many prison years you've got already? Maybe fifteen out of you, every last one of them. I'm escate, But I gotta say, Man, I brother Doc. Man, I love him. Man, Oh boy, you know uh Man, I knew of Doc, but I never met Doc, but just that respect by being locked up together and Doc was locked up with catching MO. But but even then I grew a relationship because I'm protecting his life as well

as he protected. Mind. You gotta understand that. So I'm not going to get on the street and say that's you didn't grew a bond already. And that's the same thing that I'm meetings to. Man, when we got all these brothers who who don't did thirty years, that's coming home and they're telling the junctions how he might be a blood But I crip had my back when I

was in jail, I was really saying. And then young they're seeing this now, you know what I'm saying, Because we got a lot of old Jesus come to our meetings, man that then been in the pin and then seeing them forward relationship with the outside. That's what it's all about. Man, show we gotta we gotta show that and tell the young showy jongs man you banging with against these brothers. But when I was in jail man ship, that brother came to my rescue all the time, you know what

I'm saying. And these brothers got to see that. Man, it's a whole different ball game, you know what I'm saying. We're starting from the bottom on the east side. You don't get the east side, right, So what you're gonna do next? Who you're all gonna bring in and dot dot doctor man? Right now? We we we got we

went to we did the uh. We was already talking like like the hummies say, were talking about getting kitchen and us together because you know us in kitchen girl, we was tighter, tighten frog pussy man, you know what I'm saying. So well, we there was. We was putting ourselves in motion to get together. We had means everything way before we got together with their thirteens, so you know, we just did. They thing came and it was so urgent,

so we got their amount the way. Then we went to our own race of people and we was like, now we gotta do it. Bro, if we're gonna do it with these essays, we gotta gonna get this cracking with our people, which is catching crips. And uh so we heard it up and got that together and did

that one right now. You know, what I'm telling I'm working on is trying to get my homies to realize, like you know, the young homies, they only they're gonna respect their gee homies if you're still out there and you're in the trenches when they need ride homes, they're trying to smoke some weed, they need a little drink and they're hungry. Just get them, you know, and buy

everybody from chili cheese fries. You're the big homie, you know, when when when they getting busted on and and and they gotta go bust back, and they you know that you ain't gotta get out there and be like, look, I'm gonna go bust with you and everything. But when you regulate and everything has a big homie, then they're like, that's the big homie. They're gonna look at everything else like, you know, don't come down from Marino Valley trying to tell me ship don't get off work on from from

the ory finally or trying to tell me nothing. But now if you're respectable, you holmie like the hommie pork and smoke, saying they loved you and respected you because you paved the way and they look up to you for that. And they're gonna always hold it in and they're hard and say, big homie, what you want us to do? Because we love you, We'll never changed on you.

So those big homies gonna always be heard too. But a lot of old g's they want to grow these long beers and time into little braids and try to walk up on these justice tomorrow. You know I am. You know you're talking to They will kill him in the blink of eye because they're like, you, big homie, how you don't come down here jumping out on me, open a bottle, looker in the hood and jump out

on me. They just killed my brother over here yesterday, you know, the enemies, and you over here to what I'm doing doing write on that wall right there, you know, hoss that is. And all this little hommies be like, man, I knock your head, I blow your way. I don't respect you. You ain't magi hommie. So they look at

this how the youngsters are growing up today. So to try to get them to get involved in what we're pushing, I'm trying, we're trying to show them, you know, we're coming at them like, look, bro, don't be a fool. And so I hate to do your thing, claim the hood and bang, but when these murders get to jump, and don't be so quick to kill your people, because look, I'm gonna tell you. You You go out there and you catch the murder, they give you twenty seven to life.

And then before you can get five years in, you hear us out here playing niggers in the baseball game, and you and they're going, I'll game doing and I just killed too, and I got twenty seven to life, right, So and so, don't get caught up in the stupidity of it so fast, you know, make sure it's something real, make sure it's a real cause, and then make sure you can always communicate with each other for going to war with your race of people, like hold on, we

ain't gotta go to war. Hold on, man, you know, look look girl, you went over there, you was messing with this dude. Now, this is this is some sexual stuff you got going on. With to do. He didn't left you for another broad. Now you want to come get us some money? Slap you, he got the keys to your car. He won't give you to your stuff back. We don't question her, just the home girl. So youngsters is just quick to say, let's go there. We'll get

off on them. They got the home girl. He slapped the home girl, and she gonna make them feel like y'all ain't doing nothing about it. You know, I wish what's her name was out? So that pumps little youngsters up to say, you know, I'm an handle it. Then he go and handle it. So we gotta check the women as well as the little homies. That's quick the move. You know, my thing is hold on for you. Move that quick because see, guess what if this beef is

between you and him? Okay, dude, drew down took your car, slap you with the pistol, snatch your jewry, took the money out of your pockets. You're still alive. You're still alive. I know somebody over there from their hood. I'm gonna take you back over there. You can. You can get around with him. We're gonna try to get your jury back and your money and your car. Could you hold on, let me try that before you just go over there

and say it's on and kick a war off. And now we lose tin on our side, they lose tent on their side, you know. So it's it's it's, it's it's a way our pride get hurt so fast as black people. You know, we can go to slaws and swap meet to run into an enemy and if he whipped you from shoulder to shoulder, you can have some brothers accept that and say it's nothing. You're still talking. You're talking, and he's talking, y'all talking, reckless talking. It's nothing.

You did that, okay. But some bludders will go up in there and get running to an enemy and get out and he whoop him real good, and he's looking around the women giggling like he whooped again. Now he won't come back to the sloughs of the park on the lot and let her can't go on. Everybody that you see from this cathood just from a squabble hun and there ain't nobody on the set to say, hold on, honey, don't go up there doing all that. You want to get a fade back. We're gonna call them, tell them

they meet us back up there. You around to him, you know, other than that, that's not worth you doing that, bro, You know what I'm saying. That's the input we give as O g s. If you're still out there with them in the trenches, and they're gonna get that, they're gonna accept that and take it and run with it coming from you because you're out there with them. But they're not gonna accept you being a g coming from no Merino Valley, Lancaster back down in South central l A.

Trying to tell him something. They're not gonna accept there. Kill you. But see if you're still old gee, they know you are killed him. If they disrespect you, then they're gonna respect You're gonna we're gonna say pork, I said, And that's what we did. We uh, that's what we did. Like um, we share numbers all the jeez crips bloods for if one of my homeboys somewhere call me, one of your homeboys somewhere call call me, I'll call you.

Let's diffuse it right away. And like I said, I give dot props a couple is incidents and took place. He diffused it see that works supposed to getting everybody together and let's get drunk les. Yeah, So I mean that's like, man, just everything you're saying is like just on some one hunt. Man, if you can type everything you said, or just get a billboard and let everybody see what you just said, then a whole lot of gonna put the swords down and and understand that as

whooping shouldn't cause you your life. You know what I'm saying. And man, that's that's that's that's it's like it's like Pork, like Pork was saying, Man, we don't when we agreed to do our things and kitchens, you know in the coast, we we we said already we're gonna let it. Let the little homies start running to each other's sets, to my kitchen, giving the party. They offered us to come with truths and cuts, because then we around fall out, some silly ship happens. So you know, the way, we're

trying to get everybody to see the truths going. You know, like you said, who's next? You know my thing, I'm trying to get fire those broadway to the table, let them do broadways. I'm trying to gather up the East Side period, the dim moves even on the East Side. I'm trying to get us all to come together as black folks and and the thing we're pushing as united we stand. We're only trying to facilitate. Look, you see me at your gas station, homie, you know we're trucon.

Let me get the gag has going my way home. It ain't worth killing your brother because he at your gas station home. It ain't worth killing him because he had the liquor stow. It ain't worth killing him because he had your hamburger. Staying in your hood. It ain't worth killing them because his mama living your hood and over there you've been waiting. Don't even to come back. Back in the day, we used to call that a pass.

When we've seen the nig and we wanted him that bad, and we've seen him with his mama, we call that a pass. With your mom and your daughter. You got one one good. These days they don't do that no respect. But if it's just on that level, like he's saying, just man, we're trucing. We're all good. We shouldn't have to kill each other because I ran out of gas. We we don't have to kill each other because I'm in the market with my girl. What's going on? I

just nodded. You know, our niggas do and and and let me bounce, and that will stay with a lot of lives. But don't don't don't go. Don't think because we're truthing. Then you're just gonna come over here in these cats. That's your robbery hood. The truth is going cool. If whoever want to mingle, can mingle like I like Porch say, I go over his homie Billy jack house because myms live in confidence. So I swooped right around there. We we got a relationship by and we kicks it.

I messed with a little murder from kitchen, you know, and me and him was from in the jail house together when we were sitting up in there week forty deep. He come up in there like man is on all these coaches. I'm the only kitchen. I tell him, man, ain't nobody gonna do ship to you. I don't get down like that, bro, And I try to teach my little homies like that. Don't get down because you know, you got a big hood and you tend deep and here comes one of your enemies and you want to

act horde, stump him out. That's a coward if you want to get down on him. And we deep just telling me and you, homie, you know what time it is. I told you I was gonna catch you. Get down with him and then tell all the homies kick back. I got this this wee minute. You know, I'm running with one, two, three, four five. See, that's what they're doing in the county. They tell you in a minute, you get out with him, him, him, him, him and him,

and then you're cool in the dorm. You know. That's another thing we you know, we get and then we're going into county jail. We're just clicking up with whoever hate East Coast Crip hook up together, you know, whatever East Coast crib hate. They jump on our bad way. And then when we come back out to the streets, we don't even funk with each other on the streets.

So while we're in here clicking up, because it's best to have more numbers than the next so you can funk over your brother, you know, because you can't do it one on one like a man supposed to do it. Now, when did the beef between the kitchen crips and the East Coast started. And how many years has it been up till two thirty eight years? Years? Years? And it's ironic because you said, we can't really be partying because that's gonna take us off track. But wasn't it a

party that actually got the beef going? That started in the party? A party getting killed? Yeah, I started, And that's crazy. You have to lose somebody to to make it clear. A couple of people. Yeah, well we lost a lot. I mean, just through the overall thing we lost. There's a lot of men, a lot of brothers gone, you know what I'm saying. And and you know we can't bring them back, but that don't mean we can't stop this ship from happening again and again and again.

You know what I'm saying. We shouldn't lose two thirty brothers in a month, you know what I'm saying. And that's that's all over. But I look at it like this. Everything is against us as game bangers, as black men, the whole nine, and everything is against us what y'all doing. Now, You're gonna have people come and gonna try to cut that down because they don't want that not coming from us.

Many black people black men. If we all got together and just like how you said, and they and and and this ship just really worked, okay, and everybody is just man, I've seen a blue rag in a red rag that goddamn gang station on the period. What's happening over there. Police don't want that ship, So they're gonna find a way. Remember back in the days how they used to do it. But the thing about it now is I'm down for this. So it'll make a difference

who come in a way of it. Because if I could die for a street, I could die for another youngster on the streets. It's the right way. There's my kids, you know. If I can die for a street, I can die for doing the right thing, you know. And that's the way I feel now. I don't want to ask about like beaver got killed and there are gonna

be more beavers in the future. How could have what could have been done back in eighty one to prevent the East Coast is in the kitchens, going all out so that we could make sure in when there's another casualty that it doesn't become a full scale, you know, gang war on mop on my part, now Doc can say his part on my part, I was locked up. But and I have to tell the truth. What I did here was Big Beaver didn't want it to go

that far. But when you in jail and you kicking it with all these people and then come down your homie got killed, it started. So the youngsters really took it another level than what Big Beaver wanted to go. And that's how I escalated more and more. Mhm and big, big, big big, you know that viv He came at the UH that that incident UH took place. Big Beig, we had a meeting but through the school, you know, as

East Coast Quick, we just throw our meeting. But through the school and the UH seven sixers came with Big Beef to the meeting, so you know, all the other coach number was like when he walked into the meeting, We're like, what the fun? And everybody was like whoa hold on, hold on? You know, and you know we all know Big we all you know, we all, like I said, we was all tight together. So we all like,

what the what's do? So the kitchen the seven sixtiest Coast is like the homie turn seven six, I mean, and we're like, no, he's just trying to find out who killed his brother. So he was like, y'all got to get him out of here, man, because BB was no fuss. He ain't no fun dude. So we're like, man, you don't see what BE trying to be. You gotta go be like no, We're like, no, man, I tried be you trying to kill it over. He's like, no, I'm not he ting all the homies, no, you know,

So we're like all right, man. It was just you know, like one of them things where he end up. He was like they you know, he left out and then we had our meeting, but seven six in him they worked that out or whatever, you know, but it was just cool some sixes. Yeah, it was a shock and just to see that, you know, like we didn't know what was going on, and that takes that takes a

strong person, man. You know what I'm saying. Bee was strong then, you know what I'm saying he was, you know, because I don't know if I could have did that. You know what I'm saying, brother can't kill my my brother, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I'm over here with him. I don't know if I could have did it man. But Bee was being big. He was being strong with it at that time, you know, because he saw that. I guess he saw the bigger picture.

You know it wouldn't know you said a whole lot of other people died because his brother got killed behind some stuff. You know what I'm saying. And seeing I was in jail when it happened to you know what I'm saying. So while I'm in ject before before East Coast and the East Coast, there was eight nine neighborhood was all neighborhoods in kitchen, and we was like this. So I got a lot of I got a lot of brothers from eight nine East Coast. Will tell you

I'm the reason why they learned how to fight. You know what I'm saying. I made. I made a whole bunch of some of the brothers over there fight. You understand, when the enemies from across the tractors come over, then get out with that food took he got hard, you know what I'm saying. And so a lot of us, why a lot of them eight nine, they respect me because I ain't never had no problem with the coast.

I got. I got homie from six nine. I'm not got homies from seventy six because I had a girlfriend everybody. That's why all these kids. But I mean, you know, I've always you know what I'm saying, You had alliances with different neighborhoods yourself, you know what I'm saying. And so it wasn't hard for me to to realize that, man,

this is nonsense. That because the brother live on another side, you know, liveing on other side, I'm gonna I'm gonna hate him first of all here he did nothing to me, So why I got to hate him, you know what I'm saying. And so we're gonna take a lot of these youngsters men realizing that they don'ta take a lot of us old g s to make these brothers realize that man, help them get the mature also because it ain't nothing about nothing but about me and immature man,

you know what I'm saying. And so lovely, but they look for guidens because a lot of men had they. I had my father, you know what I'm saying. I had my father, the home me and all my life, you know what I'm saying. And so a lot of these youngsters I didn't got no fathers. Man, and so they're just going by the street thing. Man, they're just going by what they here, you know what I'm saying.

So we're gonna take some real brothers that really know what's going on and really know what it's like to be locked up and how things is being locked up. That ship y'all was doing on the street, man, they don't do that ship up in here. And see how I was fortunate. I ain't never been in the penitential. I just went through the white system, you know what I'm saying. I got smart a long time ago, you

know what I'm saying. So I just thank God for that, you know what I'm so, y'all ever thought of like having like seminars for the little homies, I mean, it start them from from when he had now to get him to learn a different like like a learner trade or something, and just one big homie, take two of the homies every other week. Check this up. What you're just saying is one percent like like smoke, and and we're making so different like smoke. He said that he

didn't have no enemies. He was a rebellan one. I didn't care if it wasn't kiching it wasn't nothing. But man, I'm learning now. And then as I got older, that brother's heart of blood. It is all the coaches just like me. Because I thought I was untouchable because it's all about kitchen. But as you get older, you just like me. Everybody had that. Everybody had that. Yeah, growing up back then, it took me a while because I wouldn't mingle with nothing but gets you. But see nothing,

that's what you did. What you said. Also, see that was one of the things with Porky. I took Porky Porky. But when Porky, like he said he was a hot head, I said, pork come on, man, I said, take Porky with me. He said, I ain't going over there. And he started seeing how I was doing, how my relationships, and he started. I remember, I couldn't get this boarder wear no slacks. He didn't want them to wear some khakis, you know what I'm saying, And that the boy wanted

he wanted the cold dresses. Oh, he sighed, when he won't do the brid of of of a game banger, not a game member. Back then, it's totally different now, just like you know, we understood that type of ship you know what I'm saying, But it was it was it meant more game banging back then and then do now it was your game bang for a purpose. I had a purpose. We all had a purpose. Yeah. My beliefs was I can't, I can't do this. You associated with was yours. Once upon a time I wouldn't even

utter the word God. You know when when when I was coming up because I thought it might be it is a sign of weakness. I ain't gonna go talking about God to the homies. Are these cats over in this are you're talking about guy? He ain't? You know what I'm saying. Next thing, you know, you ain't got no choice but to prove yourself. And and if it happened, it happens like that, not tomorrow. So what you have now, I'll be back and he comes back, and he's coming

back with a gun, you know what I'm saying. So the truth and everything works, but putting it together and keeping it like on a one hunted with the we're trying to save the younges. So how do we save the young ones? And with with due process, with what we're doing right now, how do we save them? What you say, we gotta think, Yeah, we gotta man Like, For example, I got a couple of businesses I'm working on right now. Busses we're working on. We are a

made decisions next year because we're closing out. We're closing out, um third, that will be our last meeting to January start back up. We already got something to mix about the kids. We're working on that right now. Taking them. Like one of my homeboys said, Billy Jack, some of the kids ain't then to the beach. Let's pile them up and go take them, you know, Let's grab something home. And I got fishing poles, y'all want to teach them because a lot of them don't know how to fish.

And another well, we can go going to pier, bring food, so the waters and everything and line them pulls up. And you gotta reallym me in yourself. But one thing I wanted to do. I always wanted if we had a building brain these little kids in there, We're gonna pay for the breaks and and bring you people in here. Come in here and learn how to do some breaks. I know four guys that worked for for They do breaks,

just breaks, just for breaks. And they said they will come and sit down and and do a Saturday or Sunday for three hours for a hundred bucks a piece, and you have a certified check on that on the yard. And they will help these young men learn how to do breaks or whatever. It's a start. They learned something. And if you, if you know something, you feel better about yourself. Like that, you said you wouldn't even wear slacks.

The only thing I believed in in my wardrobes were the pair kakis, that goddamn heading, the T shirt and some converts. Now I'm wearing, I say, man, I ain't spending on nine hours on old Jordan's ain't look like that. That's all you need. But if you, if you, if you look good, you feel good. And if we if we, if we catch them like that, then we had saved

a whole lot of brothers, just like um doc. We was talking in the meeting and U he has said that we would gonna gather, you know, some of the little homies that's not here, no more kids, and take them somewhere. We man, we're doing stuff now that we forgot how we really was. You know, HOOMI went to jail. We wrote them, Mama needed to trash out. We're gonna take it out. He done. I'm gonna do none of that, no man, So you're the tide of change. He locked up.

Nobody kids kids going now, we don't even go check on the kids. Get doc. Doc brought that up at the meeting. So we're gonna get together next and twenty we're gonna start working on every now that we stand all the way and we're not an organization that we're trying like like like, we ain't out there. We're doing it from our pockets. We don't want nobody guiding us, giving us money and telling us what to do with

it exactly. So businessman, that's working. Now. We're gonna take donate donations, but we ain't taking it to the point where you can tell us how to run our organizations. And that's that's what a lot of brothers life so for. It's supposed to be like that because we don't need and and this is me speaking in general straight up, we don't need no white man those no telling us how to raise our mother kids because they didn't took the ass. Women, you're going to jail if you beat them,

if you whip the ass. So how do I how do I teach my son if I can't chastise you, so he can call them goddamn police on me and I go to jail. So when you took that from me, you took took my rights to raising. Now he's in jail because I couldn't chastise it. Conversation ain't ship no more so I gain teaching by a conversation. So either you get your kids and get up out of here. But everywhere you go is the same thing going on.

But man, whenever, y'all whenever. And I'm gonna say this with gainst the chronicles, we we want to be a part of that to help, Like man, if if we can, I'm a man out of my own pocket, I would say I got it, I got this, and that I can do this and that. Um. I sell T shirts, the Death Row T shirts, and I give it to all the guys that's on that T shirt that passed. UM, I give their kids, grandkids or somebody something. You know. I just did have ron uh grandson, and the other

day I got another grandson. I'm going Sunday to get these things for um my brother, his grandchildren. You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm I'm giving them money. I made so much money off the church at the beginning, I was able to give it five hundred bucks here here go in three hundred here. So it wasn't about the money to me. It's just showing people that this is how we respect each other, you know what I'm saying.

And that's what we gotta do, man, brothers like you, man, and brothers who who who know what's going on and who know, you know, know the value of us saving lives. Man, Come on back down, man, and it's and show these

young bucks man, because that's all they're looking for, some guys. Man. Yeah, that's all they're looking for, some guys and they're gonna take some real buzzs and have been through the stuff and show these bugs man, and definitely how they can live, how they can grow up and live like we can living now. Man. You know what I'm saying, because I sleep good at night, you know what I'm saying. Just gotta get we gotta get this in their head to

and educate them too on the system. You know, as you know, we grew up like you know, we grew up in our time like white man and white man you know today in these days and times. There's not no white man. It's the system of America that's got us like, like you know what I'm saying, discombobulated as a black race, you know. So we have to really wake our young homies up to that tool, and our your home girls to the system that we're up against,

you know, especially the rich. You know that don't give a damn about the poor bottom line, bro, because you know, if you you can step in at any time and fix this stuff. You know what I'm saying, you know, but the rich really like to see, you know, the rich lifestyle and keep living the rich lifestyle and and come down here and step down in our areas and say, well, okay,

I'll see what you're doing. I'm gonna donate some money to you, but I'm gonna get that back on the tax right off, because I really don't give a day what's going on. You're wasting my time here going for a couple of hundred thousand matter if I write you off check meal ticket, get it back on the tax right off. You guys, take care of love, y'all call me you need me, you know, and uh, but we need people to come down. That's uh not a part of the system of the United States of America. We

need people to come down. That's really, if you're rich, you care, You got the care to make a difference, because if you don't care, you your money can never make a difference where we come from, you know, so you gotta really, you know, it's no longer else to

keep the white man in view. In our eyes, this is a system of the rich that don't give a damn about the poor in stop soutra l a. Okay, um, Now, I've been to a couple of the East Side meetings that you guys have a few more than a couple, and I want you to speak on how you how that started? Because you got people all the way from the low bottoms to the out from the outlaws all the way to to Watts coming to these meetings, bloods

and cryps together. And every time I go to one of these meetings, I'm just like, it's a maze just to see forty fifty sixty brothers from enemy sets having a meal together. Speak on how that started? Well, we got we got that started, you know, uh med uh where we got with Kim McGill over at Chucko's Youth Center, we Uh, I got a office space over there and been my nephew's psyche from a fo Swan and uh man, my nephew was like, you know what we're gonna do here?

We got a space here. Now we got the office here. He like, uck, we're up in here. Uh gotta take advantage of this. We gotta we gotta bust a move, you know. And uh we both sat down like, so how are we gonna make What could we do here? With all this? We got the offer space here and all this space we can put at least seventy five Cryptian bloods up in here, now pull them in here. Was that after Nipsey got killed. Uh, this was before before he got killed. Okay, so this wasn't inspired by

seeing this brother losers life. Y'all was already had the ball rolling on it. Already I had the ball rolling. And okay, when we had the ball rolling, and what we whatever. What I think what everybody got from Nipsey is don't get rich and run to the hills on

on everybody. So Nipsey got rich and started buying up the community where you know, he stood out the selling CDs here and there, and now he owned this stuff so with that, he taught us to get back into the community and own something so we won't have to be like this the hood and we don't own nothing, getting ran off in front of everything. So he taught us to get inspired to own some things. That's I think.

Once Nipsey, you know, finished that goal at he bought that whole lot and everything around there, I think that's why God called him home because his job was done, his purpose was done, he accomplished when he came here to accomplish, he said, standards for all of us to look at as black men, whether we crips or bloods, whatever you call yourself in these streets, something and own it. And that's what I think everybody got from Nipsey, you know.

And he inspired us. But you know, me and Sych, we ended up calling a few crips to the table and we gotta catch him more Pork and smoke came out of sight from Swan's right. Yes, that's my nephew. And when we got all together, man, Pork the smoker tell you, we weren't number like fifteen up in there, and we was talking, but word a mouth went out

and it started getting viraled. Brothers was here that we was even in there like that talking and it was rivalries and was like, you know what, I'm coming to the next one. I'm coming to the next one. And then it got t D. Then we have D so you know, and that's what it'spired a lot of brothers to say, you know, I'm willing to uh put my life on the line and stop this because we started, you know, we started something. Rather the blood started there as the crypt started. Eyes. We don't have to say

no names. We started something really tow us down and still tearing us down to day. You know, we got police killing us, We're killing each other, We're fighting essays killing us. You know, we're fighting the white band killing us. You know, everything in this whole system that's not just the white man, the whole system of the United States of America killing us. Because if you come out of soft sent for l A, you can catch the same time. And we see it on the news all the time.

They catch some of these rich during the same crime and a brother in South central l A get caught up with the same drugs and a rich person get caught with it. It's all on the news. He's going to court. The rich man you know, he's a celebrity, So what he gets is a slap on the rest. He's gonna be in the county jail for thirty days,

probation for three years, and he's out. But the brother in the South Central l A, the crypto or the blood that got caught with the dog, never did a day in jail, never been arrested too, fifteen years for

the same amount of drugs. So we're dealing with a system that's saying funk us over here in South CenTra l A. On this person i'd have met, and I know it's a lot of people that do donate money and it's from their heart, and they come into these organizations and start South Cter l A and they care. I haven't had been fortunate to meet those type of people yet, only met one that I met, and that was Pete Carroll, you know, that coach and nfl C

the Seahawks. Pete Carroll really cared and that's who I met, so I could speak for him, you know, and speak from my heart that that brother really cared and he established those relationships when he was coaching at USC and you know, and I met him personally and watched him you know. He shocked me when I was in my hood in South SUMTERLA. Just we're on the block, normal night. We out there, eight cage pistols, everything, Watch this car coming,

Who is this? Who is this coming up? The street walker? And we were pulling up on people like, hey, who is it? Who was that? This is me dark? Okay, all right, what's up? Boy? You know the same program, you know, that's how we're living. It's a constant war zone. And then here comes peaked to much where you're at, Doc. I'm like, right in the hood. He like, Okay, we're getting off the freeway on Gauge and Broadway. I have

some people I want you to meet. You feel me, And I'm like you if you're getting off of Gauging Broadway, you know what I'm saying. And this guy would get off of Gauging bro and pull up and jump out on me and talk with me and introduced me to more people and then tell me come downtown l A. We're having a seminar. I want you to show up,

you know, be there. You know, you learn a lot you know about coaching, you know, because he preached the coach as a father, you know, And I played sports growing up, you know football, for I got shot by the Swans that put in the wheelchair. So I always looked at my coach as a father. But even in South cnter l A. You know coaches that have come and might get good checking on other businesses, they come down and coach to try to make the team winning everything,

but they don't play the father role. You know when you when the young used to go to jail, that he get caught up with guns or drugs, or they shoot somebody, or they get shot the coast, don't come to the hospital by their best side, the coastal. He looks at that like, damn, that was my running back. What we're gonna do now, you know what I'm saying. So he goes out and trying to find another kid to keep a football team going so you can keep his check. Then he go back to the suburbs, so

you know he really cared. I met Pete Carroll that, Um, what's the place on a hundred third? The little eating place locals third and uh uh in the food place, a little food place right there. He's already made famous cater Steve want me, oh this house? Um whatever was right there? The hundred and third and um uh coffee house. Coffee house. No man, he got up, can was cool, talked to him me and every time it's real, you know what I'm saying. It was cool. He really cared. Man.

You know, Jim Brown is another one that I think really cared about what's going on in l A. I know he's getting up in age now. He's probably almost eighty years old now, so he is active as it used to be. But yeah, a white man as a white man definitely. You know, we don't want to we don't want to make it like nobody cares Repete and other people. But I'm just saying to care, you have to come down and see what we how were really

living and show us that you care. You know. You know it's not saying you don't care because you get your money and you're very busy because you're rich. But at some point in time, come down and see what's going on and get to know us also, you know, and you will be saddening your heart too, and you want to do something more about it because money can't fix everything. We already know. Money came by love and everything else. And like you said, I started it wasn't

really nimpsey. I talked to brother Will. He pointed up us too, meant Will, of course, yeah. But and he hooked us all up in a way. Like I said, I knew Doc, I was repped in the streets, but I really didn't know Doc. You know. But phone calls got made. I was on the phone called Smoke, Smoke called uh who. It went around. I was on the phone with a site from eight folk site and it just went around. And next thing we know, we was meeting with doctor. And I saw everything to what's the

name for family? Oh? Sorry, what's the name from family? Um? What the British brothers? The Bridish? Yeah, you know, it just got just got the pins. You know. He came down from here, he stay up north, he came down, you know, and and it just snowballs. They've got a lot of work to do. You know. We ain't giving up, man, You know what, we don't keep on doing what we're doing, man, longest,

longest we're trying. I believe, man, we can make a difference. Man. Man, I think I think black men are strong in general period. I think we can do anything we want to do if we want this truce to work. It's gonna work. It's working so far, so just implemented certain other things in it. It's gonna take it to another level. We're

doing I'm I'm saying. If it's just you got ten big homies in one room and and this young lady my son exactly while and now come on in here, and and you've got brothers to token that they're dude. You know what I'm saying, This ain't where you want to go because you know they start off young now and U I mean, it's it's it's so much to say about this ship because now you have it. How we keep it, How we keep these brothers strong and keep their minds focused on on what's going on? Man,

this is a beautiful thing. So you gotta bring all kind of oh kind of shipped to the table. Come on, man, let's start with the youngsters, because the big olmers you were already there because anything and up we were tied, you know what I'm saying. But but you still here because this is home, you know what I'm saying. And you're trying to get it together because now we realize that it's not worth it. We we haven't done too much hurting ourselves, just like Doc said, were killing ourselves

just for nothing, you know what I'm saying. And we got we got everything against us, everything, everything against us, the police, and they wouldn't give a fun how this turn out. As long as it don't last too long, feel me. So it's important for y'all to keep this going, because, man, this is what we need. We need black men that's

standing up and trying to make that difference. Regardless of what neighborhood we came from, regardless of what this lady said what, regardless of what penitentiary or why we went to the penitentiary, that's it don't matter. This is what we're doing now straight. I had to be. I told that my mom's died Wednesday. When to night. But here I'm bearing a Saturday, but I can't because I'm down for my work. I'm sorry, man, it's Christmas time. I lost my mom's last year at Christmas time on the

tenth of December last ship. And man, you know you know what we do, uh Like, Fortunately still have my mother eighty nine years old. I lived with my mother, you know, we stayed together and everything my mother taught me and said to me, I just watched it coming to play as I grew into game banging and kept messing up doing everything, you know, defiling her, just just you know, going against everything she teaching me, going out in these streets. Hey man, everything she told me was right.

And then on top of that, you know she always used to tell me, she said, you ain't ready yet, because because your soul ain't time. And see that's why I tell the hommies, you know, your soul ain't tired. When your soul get tired, you're gonna hang. You're gonna quit all that. You're gonna quit all that. Then you're gonna start regretting you even done it that. And they

don't necessary and have to be game banking. If you've just been doing women wrong in life as a black man, you know, a man period, you're gonna get tired of that, and your soul gonna get tired, and you're gonna start treating them with respect and love because you cannot. We were not created to just go on and on with

wrong doing until you die. Because if God bless you, the older you're gonna get, your soul is not gonna be willing to do that wrong so much because we're dealing with a god that's good, and the good is gonna start coming out you. The convictions, it's gonna start conquering you. And that's I respect. That's what happened to me.

And eighty I was in solid at prison in eighty seven and they put me in a cell with border Rat Frominger with family bloods and then here cups star life from saying and um fraud g fraud from and saying. And they was like, say, hommy, know what sale you have, little doc, your little doc right, I'm like yeah. They're like, okay, look, we're gonna move you down here to the sale with the homie down here, you know here rep but you know the homie in here. Blood for me were family

name border Red. We're gonna get your pot of here, Hume. And they heard about you, hummie, you a real little little homie and ship I said, oh man, you ain't moving me nowhere. Because from from dealingware, getting shot as a sixteen year old little kid, and then growing out of that and getting older and getting shot again and getting shot again. I went out by time I made it a solid that I knew already that this was some bullshit. I'm involved in on. I was like, we're

bullshit and this this is not no real deal. Holy field, my field, soul structured stuff. It's not it's something. It's something where you know, you think you're surviving because you I don't need streets with a gun. You think you're really watching your back man, your homies. That kill you, bro. You just made it in the house last night by the willing of God. It ain't that you watching and got a pistol and keep an eye and watching, think

you're watching your back man. Whenever God called. You can get flipped at any day, at any time, bro, And you've been getting spared by the grace of God. And that's all that was happening to me and everybody else. That's game banging. When they come through and you at the house and you're sitting up there, pull up in the hood and your homie laid out the sheet over him and you jump out the cord. Tomorrow, you're crying, you're mad about it. When you ride away, you're gonna

have the same feeling everybody else that's gonna have. They've been there, and you're gonna say, damn, I was about that. I would have been right there but I stayed at home watch the little movie with moms. Thank you Lord watching over me, because see that's what he'd be doing, watching over uh our a lot of us and you in the trenches like that every day. So every time you stopping the liquor STOs Hamburger stairs, or just in your hood patrolling, I think, because you don't go in

other hoods, you can survive in yours. Man. You can get knocked down any day, any time. All it takes is for God to say this is your day. These killers come and they're not shooting from the car. They just run up on you. And you're out here today, and that's it. Ain't none of that. You're watching your back. You notice ship you're good at it. You get killed any day. That's just the bottom line, because you're playing

with something that's basically Russian roulette. Every day you come to your hood, standing out there, you're playing Russian roulette because all it takes is the wrong cast to come through and you're out of here, bro gun in your breeches, in your hand, however you want it. All it takes is the wrong cat to come through. And we didn't seen a time at the time where cats come through and we tell each other. Man and then he could have killed me. Man, if you know what he was doing,

the boy had me. There's just another case of the grace of God over you, bro. So you know my thing is I just I just want to tell everybody, you know what we're doing. We've don we've been representing something that's not really to me, it's not real and I was raised to be real with what I represent and I can't be real representing this to the fullest because it's not real. Because if I represented to the fullest and be real, like I said earlier, then I'm

gonna go all out. If I say, well, here go pork and smoke here and I'm not just be on his radio show talking with him, my home mess with kitchen, and then I turn around and catch the murder on some other gang and I go to jail. Kitchen, my CELLI and the homies is making me stay up in there. So what what what are we doing here? What are we doing here? We We ain't banging and doing something that's really has no calls, no significance. You're going in

a circle, and it's called insanity. Basically, you keep repeating something over and over. It's just insane. So you want to teach this to the next generation and they're gonna rise up and do it when you can stop it. We need to just stop it because it's all self destructing our race of people. But blood up, cryp bro. We need to just straight come together. Bro. You guys didn't impressive job with the whole East Coast kitchen thing. Um. I want to salute you off for for bringing that's

multiple It's not just two hoods. It's eleven six is eight sevens and the whole East Coast card together. But Doc, we got to talk about another important truth that you was very instrumental. And this is the truth that people said would never happen. This is a rivalry that have bodies, um, And it's also a rivalry that's cross cultural, cross ethnicity, cross races. This is uh, the Florences and the East Coast is from when I remember this started in nine,

So here it is twenty years later. And tell me if I'm lying that truce is in effect and the rivalries over between the Florences and the East Coast. Yes, it's over, you know. And we was fortunate, I was fortunate to facilitate it, you know, because you can never say. I was told by my homie Bath from A nine East Coast, don't never say ah, you know, you don't want to offend the whole hood because we're a big hood. Different numbers and people get offended. Like he heard Doc

on the radio. He holl that he did it. He did it. Now, man, we all did that together. It's a facilitator and everything. Yeah, but you played a huge role. And that's that's the role I played facilitating it. So you know, did nobody come with it to come up with it? I came to them with it, to my homies from the East Coast cript and I facilitated it. And I asked them to roll with me every number. And I asked the brow why the role with me,

you know on this to make a better community. You know what I'm saying, because I came to homies that got kids and I got kids today, you know, And I said, look, man, I want my son to be to walk around through here. I want my daughter to be I want to just tell her go and go to the park. Walk with your brother, go to the park. I don't want to be like, don't you all you can't walk to the part. Well, hold on, daddy, let me pause in the NFL game, and I got to drive you to the park. I got to stay at

the park with you. Then I gotta come back and finished watching the game, you know, because I gotta I gotta have the game. I got to have the game recorded because I can't go and leave you at this part, because then out here is the game war between us and Florencio. They went to the point to where at one minute it's a racial war, next minute it's a gang related war. It's going back and forth, you know, And you didn't had over a hundred and some murder.

So I was looking at that like, come on, man, like I'm telling you now, with the cripping blood thing, at what point we're gonna have to come to our senses to see man, big as our hood is catching crips surrounded by us, they're still here to day. You're not gonna kill nobody. Trial off. So what is you doing with this stuff? What are we doing here? I'm

not a fool. I'm very conscious of what I'm doing, whether I'm killing or I'm banging the hood, throwing up the set everything I have, people run up on me on the streets and they say, where are you from, homie? And I see they got the burden everything, And I'm a Christian and the Holy Spirit telling me, don't say he's coach cript because he's gonna bust on your kid you and then you're gonna die and go to hell

for banging that stuff. Just tell him you don't even mess around right now, Just say you don't even mess around man, man, I'm with my kids or whatever. Bro, I even don't even say nothing. Just get in your card and tell him, man, ain't wear your hand at him. And I just waved my hand off, like man, go man, you're gonna do what you're gonna do it. No, that ain't my point. My point is I'm on a spiritual level with it. Like you know, I don't want to

die throwing up no East Coast crip at you. I'm not for to let you catch me slipping and then got your gun on me. You don'na kill me. I'm gonna die with honor. Pull the trigger, do what you do. But I'm not forsi to be like Nick. I'm from me, Coach you killed me. See, I'm on a spiritual level like that with it, that's just me, but for us, with us in Florenceia, I'm saying, I asked the homies to let's come together on this to make the community better.

And then at the same time I was telling them I want to go to the kitchen crips next and the broadways because their teens was like, let's do this now while we while we can, and we had just had a murder where they killed out Homie x Ray from first three East Coast and then were and back and was killing them and when we still put this together, and and and and what like. I tell the homies, if God is with you, who could be against you?

Because this was the work of God. So we have to give him the praises because I can't facilitate nothing myself. This was God working through me and every other one of my homies and every one of the after thir teens, whether they was against it or not, whether they hate hate it still today or not, they're on a stand still not to kill one another because of the work

of God working through everybody that facilitated this. Here, who was your first reaction when you had this opportunity to bring the East Coasts and the Florences together earlier this year. And what was your first thing you thought like impossible or hell yeah, let's do it. What was going through your mind if the first thing came to my mind? Because you gotta understand, I wanted the main damn now, East Coast crist that's sucking up, you know, and here

it is, uh, this come on my plate. So you know when when j P that was my co worker in my building, she'll bps blood girl, and she told me that, you know, one of the essays from prison,

that's the master. Marfa wanted to holler at me about truthson with us the East Coast cripts, and I told her, oh, well, you know, she was like, you know, I wanted to give him your number, and you know, and Ship, you know, I was like, hold on because uh, you know, all right, you know you got my number, give it to him. Because my thing was like I'll give it to him. I'm not for all that, you know. So then she ended up giving him the number, and he ended up calling,

you know, and then we ended up talking. You know what I'm saying from there and from there we you know, I told him straight up not right now, because y'all just killed the x Ray. So this happened in early August. I think the x Ray got killed in the first week of August. So were you talking with him in late July or right before, right before x Ray got killed? Her? Right after, right after? Right, I mean immediately, act immediately, even Bury. And I was like, no, I'm not right now, bro.

I was like, I wouldn't even go over there and open my mouth trying to tell you that's true, so, you know, because they're looking up to me, and I'm not to lose my rep trying to do it at this at this point in time. So I was like, no, no, bro, you know. And then you know, I never hated no one, because that's the hell of the word to use. So my thing was always like, you know, I don't dislike certain games how they get down, when murders do happen.

You know, you kill a man from this kid, you kill a man in the yard, you know, with Mama and everybody there barbecue and hanging out. You know, you're doing to me those coward moves. So I dislike how a person got down. You know, it's a way to get down, you know, So I just dislike that. But when it came to us and them and me for a brand of facilitating. I started having visions from God to do with this man is Uh coming to me with?

So when I woke up in the morning, I called, you know, the brother back in prison of Masking Mafia on me. That's for Florescio. I just told him straight up, you know what I said, I'm gonna do this with you, bro, Let's do it. And he was like, I'm telling you, Doc, God is gonna bless us, bro, bless everybody. The community is gonna be better. And I was like, I feel you because God has been talking to me too, my FIA dude is talking about God. Yeah, exactly exactly. Because

I like the brother of sat James. I didn't want to mention God to him because but I was like, never be a shame to God, you know, because he'll be a shame to you on judgment day. So I always as dressed God, you know, to my own homies, and they'll tell you every East Coast crypta know me from day one. I come out of my house and they're right there on the block, game bang, and I'm getting in the cart with Mars. We're heading off for church and they and I catch you and see you

giggling and everything. I come right back out of service. Get out them dress shoes and slacks and get in your gass and let you know, don't get it twisted because I represented Jesus Christ. You already know I'm gonna kill over here. Stay in your place. Let me do the Lord, you know, for I do your asking. And that's how we got down. But same with with with with the Florencios. I tell them, you know, I said, man, God is talking to me, brother, to do it. Let's go.

And I just started getting that homies and the main homies that had a problem with it was the first three these coasts because they just lost x Ray. So they was like, hold on, dog dog who you know. And I'm like, I said, I know how y'all feel, bro, But look, you know this is me talking to you. I'm with you. I'm one of the main ones with you. I'm saying, do this for me, work with me on that. I ain't never asked nobody from the hood to work with me on nothing, because I ain't never tried the peace.

So I'm asking y'all the peace with me because it's bigger than just me. Asking you and you know, come on, uh stand with me on this. I'm telling you it's gonna work out for the better. Don't think I don't care about it. X Ray, just like you, you feel me, and let's just do this with me and my homies from first three was like, all right, we're with you.

We love you because we and we all respected how I came and we took that, and I went back to him after going to every other number that said do your thing, then Hommy, we're with you because you see something minute we love you could do your thing, and I went to them and we all came together, had of meet. We had a few disagreements like but I can't do it. I'm telling you man, you know. So those people we weeded out, you know, and got

things settled. You know, we got there understanding like majority rude though, Hommy and I went back to him and said we're ready, Hummy. I tell him we're ready, and he was like, okay, let me get mine together. And when he got here together, we met inside Chuckos for the first time, and it was like off the hinges because it was like all my homies were all up in here and we you know, it was like it

was just like, uh man, it was it was. It was like it was it was like I can't speak for all my homies, but to me, it was awesome because when the when when we had the Nation Islam, I'm doing security and when the nation, even the nation was running around with their head chopped off. They said

their thirteens here, they're here. They just come in, you know, And I seen them like, well, I've seen them like and I was like, and then I'm trying to break my name to the I'm like, they're here, they're here. And then I go out there and greet them, and they look, they're telling me, hold on, hold on, little dog with us, come in. I'm like, some of y'all can come in this way. The gate is opened around back.

They're like the gate open in the back, Okay. So they swooped around the back that came in through the front, and when they started walking in, all my homies seen them coming in and I was just like, to me, that was like that that inspired me right there, like now I see my purpose in life because I have poured off this, not need pulling this off. I said, this got to be the work of God. I said, because look at these essays coming in here. I said,

look at us standing in here. Wait, no, no, I said, ain't nobody in here pulling out a gun of being disrespectful. And then the Holy spiritual starts speaking through me, like her reup and say this, her reup, and say this her up, and get everything together so you can get this done and get them out of here. Because the real facilitator was God through Jesus Christ working in me.

That's how I looked at it and still look at it today, because if it was for me to do, ain't no where in hell, I would to put it off. And if it was for the hommy up in the prison system that's from Florentio, ain't no where in hell, he would have pulled it off himself too, because he said the same thing I said. He said, God, it's telling me to do this, brother, and think about it.

Uh me, porky and come on kids. And we was there too, And when I walked up and I said, man, I've seen all these says, man and I've seen I said, I hope it was a whope us enough coaches up there, And I looked at there was a lot of coaches

up in there, the coach star. Yeah. It was in deep and so yeah, says was like, you know, everybody was introducing themselves, you know, and then we you know, we were still in and we were still in the room with him, you know, and we said we were going from kitchen, and they said, well, they took we won't have this meet with just the coaches. I said, man, no problem, and let me go on outside, bro, because you know, because I see that, because they said they

did between the US and the coaches. You know, I said, I respect that, bro, and my fact. I won't get upbout it anyway, because if you're going bad outside, I think, what's going outside? Man? They wanted outside, We're gonna go outside. Man. It was it was what we did see though. It was coaches all over here, thirteens all over here, just facing each other, and they had on the side. It

was a lot a lot of. It was a lot of And the first thing, the first thing I said to everybody was, you know, God said makes tell I told my side, I said. I turned to all my homies, I said, I thank y'all coming out for me. I appreciate it. Thank you all for supporting me with this, and then I turned to the Florencia has told him, I thank you all for coming out and being willing

to do this and being supportive of us too, you know. Yeah, the homie was on the phone from prison that put you know, and I just asked everybody, I said, before we even begin, you know, let's shake hands and everybody can introduce themselves. So we all just started walking around. What's up. Everybody just shaking hands, and I'm watching it,

and I'm just sitting there watching every all that. And then when everybody starts speaking back and forth to one another, you know, that's when I you know, that's when I realized and seeing, like I said, yeah, God is really behind this, because I've seen at tension in people from their side and attention from our side, the hatred to know, the people that want to just get it cracking right in here and say I ain't with it, let's go right in here, let's get this back going. You know.

Then I started seeing younger lit homies days later. They want to keep it going because to the youngsters, they're saying, oh man, other little yours, they know them, They text them and say shipped to them. On phones. Ah, y'all turned down, y'all out there trucing with kitchen. What's up with the coases? What's up with the kitchen? Y'all trucing with courses? And then the little yours is running around the hood, they saying, oh, well, damn it used to be on and cracking. Man. I used to write East

Coast on the wall. Offend them, are we right? Kitchen? And offend them? And then they're coming through and we're going back. Now the hood is bored because they want to keep the killing going. So that's when you have the haters I called them from doing this type of work. I call them protesters. They just want to protest the

work God got us doing. That's the way to marginalize the youngsters that they want to protesters, especially those it is already in jail that probably don't know when they're gonna get out, and they just trying to get what y'all just trying to get somebody up there? What y'all do you know anybody trying to get up in there? Man, We're trying to keep brothers from going up in there, and we're trying to we're trying to break we're trying to stop that cycle. Man. You know, we talked about

this on the show before, James and Um. I think it's incredible what they pulled off. You couldn't have it better. And the way you explain it, doctor uh, I think a lot of people need to listen to what you say. I think you need to get out then and start doing some seminars, brother, because with without you saying it that way gives me a whole different I look on where that where I came from and where it used to be to to I'm going to church next sundy

other And I mean, ain't I'm wrong with it? Right? And and and and we all got to understand that we come that's where we really come from, you know what I'm saying. So we need to get back to where we what we're comfortable with. How are we supposed to do it? And start watching each other no matter where we at, no matter where we at. And I really appreciate you coming and and I know everybody that listened to this show is gonna appreciate the words you

said today. I'm kind of like choked up right now, body listening to you. A real nigga come, a real man coming here, and and don't mind telling us where we need to be and how he got his blessings, and and can't nobody say this is not possible. Everything is possible. And you showed all of us that, and

I applaud your brother a salute one hun. Now, one of the things I wanted to ask you, Doc is it's kind of bizarre because it's sort of like a chance, a chance meeting starting with Petra that got the whole thing going like it almost never even happened in the first place, and for what eventually ended up happening is incredible because without Petra hooking you up with Homeboy and he said it's okay to say his name because I've talked to him several times, so I'll say his name

because he said it was cool. Without Petra hooking you up with Babo, none of this stuff happens. That's right, That's right. None of it wouldn't have happened because Babo was already in prison telling my homies from me, So script who could I talked to out there, And a lot of them was like younger homies, some of them, you know, little dudes doing life from the hood or whatever,

you know. So they was trying to connect them to certain homies that they can just out of favoritism and go to him, go to cook, I hook your my homie. Woo whoo cuse you know, let's out of tuo. So he kept going like that, and then she told him, you know, well, I'm over here in the youth center and I'm watching this brother here he says about bringing our people together. You might want to talk to him because you know from what I hear, I hear doc cool brother. You know that's all she was saying on

my behalf. And then you know what, she presented it to me like that. So a lot of my ge homies started talking with Babo, and then Babo told me when he talked with me, he said, finally, you know your homies was gonna give me your number. Some ge homies that I grew up that he grew up with at his age, you know, being fifty eight like Lala, yeah,

big La La. He grew you know all him and Lala was like best friends come and that you know, because like I told ther hommies when we truce with kitchens and smoking pork, my witness, I had to tell my little hommies for all of y'all. I turned to all these coasts and said, for all y'all don't know, these was our homies coming up. We was like this before we went to war and fell out. So don't get caught up in letting other gs or anybody else tell you like it's so much to hatred to be

like for them and all this attitude. Know your history. We're I'm calling y'all here today just to come back to normal program what we was before we fell out. And that's how we started our meeting with us in kitchens and saying with Babo was saying in jail. Him and La La used to be eating in each other's houses, hung with each other, all in each other's house and know each other, mars everything, birthday party. They was best, you know, best of friends. Us in Florencios. We all

was just like us in kitchen came up. So you know what I was telling that the homies about the Florencios. They couldn't believe when I was telling them that right in front of the Florencio's. No your history, you know, and a lot of us as black man, we don't know where we came from. So we don't know where we're going, so we're so quick to keep going the destructive way we're going. But if you know where you come from, that will help you a little more or

to know where you need to be getting. And you know a lot of this stuff is not for us, bro, and we gotta come to it. We gotta quit trying to beat around the bush with it and just flat out saying like I'm saying it. You know, I ain't got I ain't I fear no man, no as weapon. You know, I hadn't been shot at eighty two eight for eighty five. I know how I feel. I know the fear of it when you come and you got the gun right on me, and I know you for the pullet, and I know the feeling that that I'm

just the die here this cat for shoot me. I can't take another bullet. I know all that feeling, you know. And I'm content with myself today, so I know when that come again at this point in time in my life, I'm ready for it because I'm trying to get to God in the end. And I'm telling everybody, man, it's it's not a game. This is not no game. People will get you caught up in this game bang and stuff, and you will really be lost running around trying to

smoke everybody. And then you can't Steve's murders and everything. And then you, like I say, you're sitting up in there, and then you here on the streets, we're playing football with each other. And now you're up there talking. You're in the pin talking crazy because you're mad because the system work you. We did not. Not only did we work each other by trying to teach you this mess, but the system is the biggest person working everybody. Because the system knows just how to dimant on this mess

and put it away. But they won't do it because we're a big old commodity of theirs. It's a booming industry letting these say games and black games continue to kill each other and do what we do, continue to make us believe that we own this little area which is a section of a community. See, they know how to get us off in front of every lady house that called the police and say they out here again in front of my house. They know how to get you from all from in front of that house. Will

you never be standing there again? And that's over with On that block. They know how to make you can even be in your own hood because they had the power to Now you guys, UM had three face to face meetings with the Florences. Um, before we close out, just tell us how the last one went, and UM, what is the plans to maintain that piece between the Florences and the east coast because anyone thing could can

get it going. So how do you prevent that? Speak on that last that third meeting, because that was the deepest of all the met because the third meeting, the third meeting was for us to we kept having problems with the wall banging, you know, because once you have a truth, that's the next stage of it. Everybody is a buying by the truth. We're seeing each other, no killings. Ain't nobody doing nothing because no nobody want to act like their boy the Lord break that rule and then

their own kind gonna deal with you. So it's like, I can't do nothing. Were really true some with him? So what cast start doing was right on the wall. We wake up in the morning and I got little homies that wrote on the wall f F F F thirteen, no peace, you know, And then we're like who you know? We get a call. Homies sent it through each other falls you know, we're like, oh, check you out. He

think your brother law. So we whooped that homey whooped them real good, random four rounds you know on dps. You know. Then we turned around F thirteen got a little hommie right on the wall, and we even went so far. We had incidents where it had been like shootings one shooting. So we ended up coming together saying, look, we're gonna let nothing stopped us. You know, That's what Babo said. And when he told me that, you know, I'm out here. He had prison system working, So my

hope started. I started losing hoping and like, man, there's so many homies to my thing with it. Then I'm getting these ugly looks from F thirteens when I see them. But Babo kept telling me, hanging there, Dot, keep doing the work. We're gonna do this well, don't give up, bro, And I kept pushing on and like he said, it's to it today is where it is. But when we had problems with wall banging and the in the in

the protesters that's what I call them. They're not really haters, they just protesters and the protesters once we shut them down, and then we came up with a solution life forwards. The wall banging is if you see it on the wall, if your homie don't put his name by, well you can say, hey, everybody, you see what she was Spider Road on the wall, and then we can on I n can say, man, you see what the homie Bawn wrote and then you can deal with your own and

making then get it off. So if somebody writing it it ain't leaving their name, it can be the police, bro. So let's just get it out of our heads. Like I'm asking you to get the game banging out your head, the Red and Blue rat, get it out your head and then get that off ahead when you see that on the wall, because see we still at my age. The devil try to work me when I'm riding down the street and I see my hood whacked out. Then I got the people behind me blowing their horn like

go to like green. I'm still looking at it like this mother home. And then I gotta come to my senses and say, look at the old devil trying to still get me even though I ain't with it no more like that, you know. So then I got to come out of that and keep going on me. It ain't the world on end when you see your hood whacked out. I hadn't been in prisons with catting pulled their shirts off and got the hood whacked out on them, So I'm like, come on, man, don't let that kill you.

But nobody then killed off nobody games. We were just going nowhere. It's senseless murders. But when we got to the point where we had to come together on those terms, we met for the last meeting with the thirteens and we agreed that we're only gonna trip wall banging when a cat leave his name up there because he's letting us know. I ain't with it and I'm trying to rebel against it, and whatever y'all want to do, we can do it. That's what we said that if a

name may Boby, we're just gonna get it off. So we've been getting both off. When we see them whacked out, us whacked out, we just get it off the wall, bro keep pushing. That's what we've been doing alright. Final question is of any other brothers from l A that's from a hood, from a community that wants to make some change. Um, what can they do right now? How

can they connect? What can they do? Because we want more people to join the movement what we're doing now and you know understand up at Doc off, we're putting the line in there. Like I said, everything would be established next year. You know, first we were just meeting and talking. But everything is gonna be solid next year. Alrighty, I want to thank all you brothers for coming down

little Doc smoking pork. I truly appreciate you. I've I've already witnessed with my own eyes the work y'all been doing, and it has inspired me to to to start doing some of the same work. We'll probably talk about that another day because I haven't got to that point that you got to, Doc. But um again, man, I want to thank you guys for coming in. And that concludes another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. Make sure you hit up James McDonald on his Facebook and I'm on Alex

Alonzo one zero one on all social media platforms. When you guys like to shout out in any sort of ways to reach you or contact you, Doc, uh, we we just give it. Uh. We give a shout out to United We stand. That's our organization and you will see more more of us because we did uh taste the soul. We did uh puff daddy thing at the reef downtown. Uh. Then we did uh uh the things right here uh folk trade hood. We went to the

um food another food so for food thing. Like so we've been we've been stepping out and letting our presence be known. And like my brother Porky say and smoking, we're gonna really hit the stage January first, come this year here coming up. Okay, we stand, you'll see more of us. So in that united we stand, movement will be more visible and more reachable, more accessible, and we'll be sure to shout that out when um, when you guys got that ball rolling man and again appreciate you

guys coming coming through, coming to the studio. And that concludes another episode of The Gangster Chronicles and we are out. Oh, Merry Christmas, and it happened New Year year. This has been a digital Showbuch Network production,