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s L. Jackson dot com. That's one s L. Jackson dot com to order your copy of the award winning urban fantasy novel Animal Instincts The Urban Jungle. Boy. All right, welcome to everybody to another episode of Against the Chronicles. I'm James McDonald here with my host Big Still, and tonight we have a very special guest. We've had them on the show before, gentleman by the name of Ory Spade On. Hello, everybody, there's a pleasure to be here again.

You're good to have you back again. And recently, um glad that started some controversy and I'm on his show when he had the gentleman Michael Francaise and um Michael. For those out there that might have saw Michael had some rather despairing remarks, and if you don't mind, take a moment to correct him. The first thing I'd like to remark about is he said that he told Jack Siolardi to throw me off the office. Jack Jolari has

been a friend of mine for over forty year. No, he did represent Michael franchise at one period of time, and that ended a few a few years ago, prior to Jack's dying, when Jack got him a deal and got him a quarter of a million from a producer, but he took the quarter a million cup it got another quarter a million from another producer and went with

the other guy. New to say, nothing really happened from the whole event anyway, But I want to clear that up because I was at the church a Good Shepherd where they had a service for Jack when he passed away, of which I was invited to. I was invited to Paramount Studio. They had Joe Montaigne, they had Frankie Avalon a whole school a celebrity, and there were several hundred people there. There was no Michael Frenchise. So Michael, get

your story straight. I have no objection to anything you say, but you know that I'm going to come back with the truth. Michael. Jack was a very dear friend of mine. He was your friend at one time too. But no, Jack never threw me out of the office. In fact, I had somebody out of Jack's office for when he called one day. I want just cause who that person was. But I did throw him out. Uh, so I want

to correct that. In addition, you know Jack Seun calls me uncle, So where does he come off with this crap? The next day he says, he said that his father didn't know me. Well, I'm very confused with that there, Michael, because I have an indictment over here, a shoppersd indictment. I'd like to show you, all right, And the indictment began with a Comba frame and they were initially fourteen but then we got severed off. Do you see Michael Franchise's name on that indictment plus his name on here?

You don't see Michael Franchise. Are Sonny Franchise? John Sonny? Yeah? John France says he also known that Sunny Francis Easy Sean Capellino known as Johnny Cupp, Christopher Corona, Vic Joseph the Gorga, Angelo gi and Graham Day and Orlando Spader also known as Ari Spader. That's it right there, and there's no Michael Frank. Then the receipts rightdicul, I turn this around. I turn its around real quick. Yeah, they were the receipts right there. So I didn't know, Sonny,

Why was that in indictment on Michael? You should have told your friends at the FBI that I didn't know your father. Maybe I wouldn't have better than that indictment, but you know they know you're a liar. Offshow. No, let me let me ask you this. I'm sorry, James, so I cut you off, But let me ask you this though, Where does the conflict come from with you and Michael Francisi? Like, like, what is this all about? There? For that there, you're gonna have to read my book,

The Accidental Gangster. It's in the book. Michael is a bleep in the book. My book is not about Michael Frank my bike. My book is about Ory Sprado and my life. It's not about him. It's not about his stepfather or anybody but me. But it is in my book, and it takes uh. It's a result of a sit down that we had at the Russian Tea Room on fifty seventh Street in New York. And uh, you know, Michael Poe claims that he was a tough guy and he was a couple. Let's talk about that. Michael was

never a street guy. Michael was never a tough guy. Michael was a son or stepson, and it's correct that he is his stepson a Sonny franchise. Michael's real name at birth was Grill. Michael was a one and a half years old when Sonny met Tina Kappa bie uncle who was worked at the Store club in New York. So, yes, Michael is a step son. He is not full blood of Sonny franchise, but he had his name change. Sonny did adopt him out there. We'll call Sonny his father

because Sonny adopted him. Give him that credit. On the other hand, I also give Michael cruddy. Michael is a very smart individual. Now. When he got made, that was only because of Sonny. When he became a couple, who was only because it's Sonny and Michael got very lucky and the guests link tax business and he made hundreds of millions of dollars. Now there's a big difference with Sonny franchise and Michael Francais. The differences with Sonny you

make money. Sonny makes money. You could earn with Sonny franchise. Michael franchise. I don't know if anybody, and there's somebody out there, there's very money with Michael, let me know. But Michael, once he takes money, you could versely count that money being dead because it never appeared again, and he don't give anything back. So by not sharing or giving what you should have bringing bride or whatever you want to call it, by him being made, he didn't

have to worry about nobody bothering him or to worry. Uh. From my understanding to this day, Michael was still very concerned. Uh, you know, Michael, you're supposed to pull out of pictures. He saw his father twice and thirty too much when Sonny was in the nursing home, and then on one occasion Michael didn't go, but he sent his lawyers there to try to get Sonny to sign over Sonny's rights to Michael. Michael was no dummy. I mean, Sunny was no dummy. Sunny was a very smart guy. He threw

him off. He didn't sign. He didn't sign the rights. You know you heard me on another podcast. I happen to know the lawyer who put the money in Panama for Michael franchise. I gave his initial on the lad interview because he's still alive. Uh. And I don't want to get him involved in anything, but Michael knows who it is. All the people that were around who were to protect Michael franchise were put there by Sonny Michael, and he worked ahead to be done. It was Sonny

who took care of it, not Michael. Uh. I became very close with Sonny. As people know. People in New York know it. I could pick up the phone and I could still call people in New York. Michael can't do it. Michael can't call the people that I talked to. Michael says they didn't know his father. Uh. Michael. Michael's brother, Johnny, with Sonny's really real son became an informant world wire against his father's Sonny, me and several others. And I have had a court transcript of and I'll read you

a part of it here and then I'll give it all. Right, I'm crossing in gamin ation. Mr franchise. Are you familiar with the individual name Orlando Spatto, Yes, I am. How do you know him? He was a friend of my father's back in the seventies. Is he involved in the Colombo Prime family? Yes, your son, that's your son, that's his real son on the witness stand in court. So

Michael gets a fucking straight could I say fun? Michael, I must have had over a hundred phone calls of people telling me you lie, You lie every time you open your mouth. Your brother, Johnny, was an addict, became an infeign. But I give Johnny a lot more credit, not that they have any respect for him, but I give Johnny credit because he had the guts to get on a witness stand, point his finger and talk. You don't have those kind of guts, Michael. Michael, you talked

about when you took the oath. I never took the oath. I refused it tool twice, once on the West Coast, once on the Eage coast. But I bide it by those rules all my life because I know what they are. You talked about how you were brothers to all these guys. Michael Herr is part of a proper statement. That's been following Michael all right, by Michael franchise and on this particular proper statement, Michael, you give the names of Jimmy, Angelina,

Sally Mesca, Courtsca. I can't even say Mrs ms Shada, Johnny Minerva, Jerry Brown and Vito Google. That's five days, Michael. You gave the information to the FBI. Five people that got made at the same time that you did. That's a no. No. You want to tell me you're not in informat Michael. What about John Marshall? Remember John Marshall at the flea market that you had on a long island.

You informed against him, you proffered and for your pet. Well, you do not know understand what a profer agreement is. I'd like to explain it. A proper agreement is when you have made a deal with the FBI and the U S Attorney for lesser time and all sorts of deal they allow you to keep money. Sometimes all sorts of deals are made. Once that deal is made, you sit down with the FBI and the U. S. Attorney And it's not like you sit down for fifteen minutes.

He see you go on for days where you have to mention it and talk about every single person that you know. So you might say that you know, I know John Doe who lives over in Long Beach and he's a made guy, and John I hear deals drugs. What that information does is gives the e I the information to begin an investigation on that individual, and they when the FBI investigate, they eventually give you get you. In addition, it was on national TV while he Michael

did take the stand against Norby Walters. I think you all know Norby Walters. He was very big in the music business. He was Norby Walters and then he got to be a sports agent. In addition, and him and Michael were working together. Michael informed on him in the courtroom in Chicago. Uh. In addition, there are over fifty over fifty individuals names that Michael gave to the FBI and the U S attorney talent exactly who everybody was, and the Colombio fanly and other families in the New

York area. So why is why? I mean, when you hear about the mafia, you will see thorough when you hear he read it or I don't like rats, How do Marveda put it? Why is he still alive. Why why That's a very good question, James, and allowed me to answer that once again. His father's Sonny franchise. Sonny was the underball start Coloma crime family, and Sonny was very powerful individual up until the time that you know,

Michael became an informant. And from what I was told, Michael paid off a million dollars in cash UH to a lot of people, five people. Michael was not allowed to go back to New York. And as Michael his mother, you should tell me that she used to say, when Sunny dies, Michael will die. She told me that several times. She told other people that there. Tina died shortly after we were all in court and in Brooklyn. She died

at cancer, Michael. That was Michael's real mother, Tina. She died broke and from my understanding, they had to bury her in her hospital gown. And while she was dying at cancer, she was calling Michael, Michael, you promise you come to see me. Michael never went to see her, so he that was his mother. So are you saying he never wanted to go see his mother that was passing away, she was dying, She died dying at cancer.

He didn't go back. Look at look at if you would look at all the things that's going on or in in in your life, with all of this ship going back and forth and people speaking and dropping dimes on each other. Do you think that that's one of the reasons why he didn't go back because he knew he's in a serious situation. He knows because he never knows who is going to be that person to myke pop up and want to make his ball. She did,

so could you understand why? And then again, on the other hand, Michael has been doing podcasts and interviews for thirty years. He has a big Christian that's a good scam. I gotta give him credit there. Now. He claims he's a born again Christian and he teaches the Bible. But the basic cust is he sells his books when he goes around the country, but not New York City. He'll go to state in New York. I know wherever he is. Everybody knows where Michael was. Michael was basically a public figure.

So to take down a public figure that could be on the minds of people too. This is not like in the old days when I Michael, you know, beside your father. I knew Frank Costello, Russell Buffalino, I'll calin Marcello, Mayer Landskip, I can go on Michael all right, And I could direct dial any one of them any time I wanted to those I knew all those people before. I know Sunny. But back in those days, this and never would have happened, just would have been put away

already and there'll be no discussions about it. But times have changed, and they changed much quite often. You read the proper agreement, do you understand there is this is just one page of several pages of a proper agreement which should been held under lock and key, because that information it's leaked out somehow at somebody's trial, and that's

how this should come out. And that's how slowly but surely all this information will come out, because that's called discovery, and they had to bring it out when these people vot to court or vote a trial. Yeah, were from me with discovery. Let me ask you this, U, you say it's something earlier. Don't you think it's a possibility he could really be a born again Christian? Like why why do you say it's a scam? Because he was really a born a King Christian. Why is he talking

about criminal activity all the time? All right, he's supposed to be an expert on it. Michael never did, no, or you know, I'm not disputing you enough, or I'm gonna asking that question, cause I'm pretty sure people have that question and say, well, maybe he did. Maybe. The reason I don't believe it because when his sister, Jia passed away. Jia also died of an overdose at a hotel in uh Florida, and Sonny was in uh St. Petersburg, Virginia at the time doing time, but the marshals took

him to go to the funeral of his daughter. At the same time, a friend of mine named David called me and had a friend who was a limousine driver one car I'm not talking about a school car, one car, trying to make a living for his family, and Michael was trying to shake him down. David called me, and it was on the same day they were burying Jia and I I called Michael. Michael sold that I'm Whisker Boulevard,

ah the Worser Corridor at the time. I said, Michael, this is LORI, what the hell you think you're doing with this kid. I said, this kid who was with me lay off him or were coming from the same mold. No, Michael, you broke that mold. Michael, you broke that molde long ago. Stay away from this kid, he says, he's with me as you understands. Yeah or okay, I says, And Michael, the other thing you want to talk so much, Why aren't you at the funeral of your sister. They're burying

her right now. Is we're on the phone. Why aren't you there? My sister passed away and went back to New York. I mean, family is supposed to be family. I think Michael, maybe subconsciously. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't know. Because of the fact that he's not blooded Si Franchise, that could be a difference. I don't know. I don't have those answers. Uh. You know his brother John, who I've done many things for. He says that I would. I never dealt drug with John franc Ai. Never. John

franch A was a drunkide. There must be maybe all right, sevent to a hundred drug dealers in Los Angeles that I had to go to that keep them away from John Franchi when he lived out here, you know, speaking to John Fry says, you know, Michael made an accusation on Lash show also that he suspects that you may be the one to put his brother on drugs. It's funny, Michael, why don't you Johnny was a drug addict long before he came to California. Michael knows. That's a lie. I

never but Johnny and drug. Was I ever involved in druge? Folks? Yes? I was never co came I did. You don't just to have several hundred pounds of marijuana going to New York every few weeks, yeah, I admit to that. That

was back in early nine dies. Uh with all this going on, man, like this back and forth, like James said, you know, you would have thought, like just mafia traditions, they would have took care of the guy, you know, for doing all the things he said, and he also made um and he also refuted something else that you see it. He said that his dad never put a hit on you. Did dad never put a hit on me? I also had the court transpress at all and reference

to that too. Okay, but you know what, being a man, you had to face out and understand what was the reality of Whitest. Sonny approved a hit on each spadal. It all came from another informant named Guy fit Battle, who tapes had over four hundred and fifty tapes of Sunny, Frank J and Michael A guy for thought it was out there, and Sonny told me he wanted me to introduce him. The Johnny unknownst to me at that time. He and Johnny already knew each other. They were both

confidential informants. I didn't know it, but I had had you're making boy that I took care of. His name was Ricky. He got arrested. I was helping him. His wife came to my house with too Megican that Mike did he owe a half a million to The money was on the streets in Brooklyn. I knew the guys who had the money. I called him up. They said, already, we already got on your grant. Ricky didn't understand it. You know, we're converted and it's gonna take longer, but

we got a hundred grand. The informer had the money picked up and sound half to me, and that's all the money I ever saw from it. Later I found out that it was the FBI and guy for thought of the informant that got that money. They collected the rest of the money. It just sounded me like everybody was greedy. Everybody had their hands in the cookie jar. Everybody. And then when and and me and like a lot of other people that watched MARFIW movies. You just see,

I mean co heartedness didn't have a problem with killing. Uh. They took care of their families. Uh, it didn't matter. And this is the impression I was under. It didn't matter if you was my son or not. A rat was a rat. And and I'm I'm if they come and say I gotta hit you because your son did this and he going the quarter YadA yata, don't you think he's all the thistions should have been? You know

you said the magic word, James. All Right, movies, what you're seeing the movies and what's real life are two different things. Okay, the movies they gotta make things, and they're all saying in Hollywood, they gotta make a film. The Middle America's gonna watch, all right, and so you have all those things. That's all creative stuff by writers. Are very good writers that come up with that stuff. You know, Nick Polegie is a dear friend of mine, and he did Good Fellows Casino, and you know, he

and I have had a lot of conversations. How you know, all the conversations he had with Rosenthal for Casino and Henry Hill for a Good Fellows and uh, you know, they gotta take that there. And sometimes there's a book, they gotta take the book. And now you've got to creative film about it. You gotta take something that might be a boring sudger, and you've got to create that lure,

lure of killings and hits and all this year. But getting back to where Sonny approved the Hemi whack, this informant went back to New York told Michael Catto Ponto, who was an acting captain of the Come On with Family who hadn't to be Sonny's nephew, that we're they're going to make all this money with Ori. Now all of a sudden, it's Ore that's going to be doing fifty kills every couple of weeks, and the New York and they're going back and east. Michael caught upon all

the money that they're going to make with Ori. Of course, every time you start it, it's on tape. So Michael catt Uponto at the time is getting nervous and words his money the worse ought to be making with Lori and Guy Fitado. The informant says, you know, I think he's been doing the deal and he's screwing us out of the money. Michael went to Sunny and Sunny gave him hermission to white men. Of course, I'm still here, and my last words was Sunny while in prison, was

in the courtroom because Sunny was on on bail. I didn't get bill. Sunny was on on Bill. You want in the court rooms anybody? I hear you're upset with me. Now he's standing in front of me. I'm already sitting down at the table with the other courty round. I said, no, not, I said, with your buddy. Why just because you gave permission to white men, I should want to sit with your bunny. For is the fact they used to call me and asked me coming in New York to have dinner.

But you never called me that asked me what's really going on here, which could have if anybody worked too, would have jeopardized my life. Quite obviously. That situation was resolved ultimately what occurred. Michael Cotta Potto never called me, and I never discussed things with Michael Cato Ponto. If I discussed anything in the Clumbu crime family with anybody was only one person, Sunny franchise. So that's what he called the Hito. Yeah, so that was that was used

the lucky man at that point. Well, Michael Cato Ponto ended up getting indicted on a cocaine conspiracy. He got seventy eight months. But don't somebody else pick up to hit if if if this person is out of commission, you're not gonna whack a guy who did nothing. There was no reason I didn't do nothing. I wasn't doing that cocaine thing. If I was doing that cocaine, think I'm still be in freaking prison. Let me ask you this, how do you prepare for you know, somebody want to

take your life? You know, somebody could be come from any side of the building, from around the corner, jump out of a tree or whatever at you. How you prepare for that? Well? You know, as a young kid, I uh, I'm a marine. Tim Or Curry, he taught me I would always know my surroundings and to this day, I as I walk as I drive, I know what's behind the tree. And I don't just look behind the tree. I you gotta follow because somebody you could be walking on the tree. You gotta be happy behind the tree.

But he could walk around that tree while you're walking by and come up behind it. So you gotta be aware of those things. You gotta watch out. It's a natural It's just a natural insect that you eventually developed. Uh. I'm talking about like like sleep, did you did you lose a lot of sleep? I'm talking about because I've been in situations where I couldn't sleep. I got I'm always looking out the window, like damn, I gotta do this though, And you just you, you just so pumped

up because you know, at any given time something can happen. Well, you know, I seriously, I did not do anything that deserved being whacked. I never was concerned about it. I come fronted Michael Carrafnal in prison, and I'll tell you how that occurred and what happened there. Okay, because he's the one who win the ash for permission. Now you understand Shunny took his nephew like a Cardofnal's word that I would robbing money. Michael never called or Spadel. Why not?

There's not one tape of me and Michael called Uponto discussing drugs. We were the only two I drug conspiracy. And then on the last superseding indictment that I just showed you, there was only one change amongst everybody on that indictment that was Oris Fadal because initially they indicted me for five keels of cocaine. On the last superseding indictment they increased it to the fifties. No, you know, James,

where would I be if I got it? I went to trial on that there, I guess you would lose no matter what, even though it wasn't a real deal. I never had no intention because these Mexicans had to be paid back. They're half a million before they were going to give anything to anybody else. I greet it. I mean fifty killers, even though there was a whole lot of money. And do you think they're going to give fifty kiels and credit for you to bring back to New York. It seems like a whole bunch of betrayal,

and just a whole bunch of betrayal. And there was more betrayal and cunniness. There was an awful lot of round funny franchise and Michael franchised. Michael mack Franchise said, there's a video out there about me, and he thinks that I was a rat. I'd like to address that video. That video was also made by another informant, but it goes by the name of Kenji Galo. His real name is Kenny Knel. He robbed the tape out of Jimmy

Conchi's home because I was taping the FBI. Anybody listened to that day, you see that I'm the one doing the recording. That was a fatal mistake that I did. That's the reason, if you want to really get down to it, why I ended up on that Columbo Crime Family indictment. Because they only need to predicate acts they get you. I am responsible for the agent. His initials are seg getting demoted from the FBI uh Organized Crime Task Force, and they put him on the Fugitive Squad.

And honestly, he owes me a favor because he got a nod and notoriety. Today he's ahead of the fugitive Squad and he's the guy that they give credit for getting Whitey Bulger oh wow, So nor will finish something, Michael. I know for a fact that that agent, along with Michael Wax, Andy Stefanix Paranas, and a few others, used to go to your home and have dinner. I never had an FBI agent in my home. I haven't dinner

with me. Michael. You're the only person that I know or do I know that information because you invited your brother to the house, and your brother used to tell me everything. So after tonight, I want to leave Michael franchise alone. I don't want nothing to do with him because he is not worth my time. But Michael, if you want to meet me and you want to have a joint interview, I am more than willing to do it. We will pick any social club in Brooklyn. I think

that would be a great place. Michael. Would you like to come to Brooklyn with me? Michael, if you're doing in Brooklyn digital soapber, do it. Don't do it with nobody else. I've got people in Oh yeah, I already got your soapbox at do it. Yeah. We have the Gainst chronicles. Yeah, against the chronicles we had against chronicles we have we ever done in New York. Okay, Michael ain't gonna come to a social club in New York. What if you do, though, Oh great, then I'll do it.

I look at it like this, playing simple and uncut. Y'all. Guys are way older than us, and y'all for this. This was a long long time ago, right what this? Yeah, during the time, during the time two thousand eight. Yeah, okay, that was years two years. And just like you said, let's just put it away. I'm done. I'm not gonna give you the credit. I'm not gonna speak on you no more. Don't you think it's time to just say

I ain't got time for this ship no more. Yeah, because I got bigger things that I might play right now than Michael Franchi. Just no burger than me. No burger, no burger. Michael Franchisers would never anybody except for the fact that he would the stepson of Sunny Franchis. That's it. In his own life, he used the name Sonny. I look at it in his book. If you read his first book, there's only one good chapter in that book, and that's the chapter we talked about. I don't real

I don't, I didn't. I didn't read none of it. I grew up watching the Mafia and all these big names on TV. Yeah. Uh, and I kind of like I'm enthused. I was just like, man, that's Dave straight Killers. I loved that type of ship. It would like that years ago. Okay, So then you sit at the table and and all my heroes a crush because they all like in jail from putting each other in jail. Um, you know, going back and forth warm with each other

over twelve years, something that happened to al years. I'm like, man, do you understand that we're talking about something that Michael Frenchaise was never involved in if he goes right, but see if he never involved and he was involved with WD his name comes from all right, just because he was the son. Well it's coming up because he's the son and he had a lot of viewers. I get pretty He've been doing this for thirty years. I've been

doing it for eight months. So you know, Lad's got four millions of subscribers, so good, a lot of meals for Flag. I made just mine a loan. I'm black got over half a million just that one thing about Michael. You know, I want to discuss my book. Yeah, we were gonna get to your book. But you know what, you cause a lot of controversy last time, man, because you know when you talked about the guy Haitian Jack, I don't another guy he called um, he called one of the guys that was on the show and then

and had some words for us. He has some words for you, he said, he's gonna come out here and smash you. Well, Jack, I'm here. If you don't have the money, I'll buy you a ticket. I'm sure a kind of wife off to buy your wine. Okay, because they're still paying you off. Jack. For whatever reason, I'm not worried about Jake, Jack, Michael. These people really are nothing in my life. Hitian Jack was another individual I

tried to help. I did not know either informant and then you know, when everybody found out, I'm the guy in Los Angeles that took all the fucking heat from all the guys because Jack, when he was in my name out here? Are you say he was in a formative? Yeah? Who they sued Jack to him, I had no idea. I mean I wasn't about They said something New York. He was working for the FBI. Okay that so he was back in New York. Now, I don't know where

what it could have been out here. He tried to get close to a lot of people out here, but people didn't trust him. M Yeah, it caused the whole but he was pretty upset last time. He's pretty upset, he said. Or he Spader didn't run me out of nowhere. Yeah, okay, Jack, okay, this what's going on with your book? My book is doing very well. Uh. I've had a lot of issues

from Hollywood. A lot of producers have approached me. Um having a major phone call this Friday, UM with an award winning producer director h Knowing Hollywood the way I do, I'm very selected when who are just not going to get my action or my rights to anybody? I know how long it takes. I'm so active in a few other films. I have another film coming out. It's not coming out yet, but it was in the process. I secured the deal for UH World Boxing Kickboxer, the one

in Japan. It's got a gage, sir in him. Look got everything that you want, all the elements of this story. I got the people retaining Ah the writer who I manage, and UH. We got a couple of other films are in the works, and you know, Hollywood, it's like the army, hurry up and get there. When you get there awake, Yeah for sure. So where can people because the under the book has been I've been seeing you everywhere. You've been in a couple of promo tours. Where can people

purchase the book at? They can purchase your ship Uh Amazon obviously. Uh. They like an autograph copy, they can go to my website www dot the Accidental Gangster dot com. Uh, they could order from Barnes and Noble, Google, h all the other platforms from my understanding. Man, that's been great. Man. Before we leave, Man, is there anything that you want to say to Sunny France season that you ever haven't see since this is the last time you see y'all

going back and forth forth with this man Sunny franchise. Okay, And I talked to Sonny a week before he passed away. I was talking to Sunny on a weekly basis, and you know what hurts. I called because Sunny wanted me to go back. There was Sunny. He died on paper. He was still on paper, and I wanted to go visit him, but I was not going to be the

person responsible for him to be violated. So I call this probation officer, who happened to be very nice, nice lady on Long Island, and she said, Mrs Spareng, gonna talk to my supervisor. I said, like it. He's a hundred three years old. I'm seventy five. We ain't doing nothing, okay, I said, he's just an old friend. I nor him over forty year and just go have a lunch. And

she called me up to the next day. She talked to the supervisor and because of the fact that Sunny and I I've been friends for over forty years and we were on the same indictment, they told me to wait until June. Quite obviously, June is here, but Sonny is not. So if you got any last words from Michael and everybody out there that's rocking with Michael, what you got to tell him? Michael, look at you know.

I don't know where your beef is with me, but I'm going to back everything I say up with facts, and you know it's what you come at me with bullshit and live Michael. I never reached out to you for anything, and I never would. I have no reason, but you reach out to me. Remember, Michael, your reach out to me when you were out of a prison because you were paranoid about any strangers coming into the tone. Remember, Michael,

we had a meeting. I took you in the alley and behind the Wrangling Record Club and saying to Monica Bolivar and I told you, Michael, then if your father asked me to do it, I'll do it. Because you were asking me to let you know when any strangers flew in the town. I'm not a travel agent. But if Sonny would have told and you know what, Sonny words work. Our Sonny called me every week from prison, every prisoner that he was in. Son he says, don't do a damn thing. Michael. You didn't take care of

your mother, your brother, your sisters. With all that money that you saw that you may you've got it hidden. You left your first wife and children. They had to go on welfare and food stamps. Michael, which build a pair of balls, get some character, become a man. Start taking care. I don't want nothing from you, but take care of your family the right way. Michael. Start bragging about that you were a couple. You were a couple

for only one reason. Your father, John Sonny franchise that said, Michael, I don't want to mention your word. If you've got a serious beef with me, call me. You got my number. I ain't calling you Michael because I don't call That's hip, folks. Could we leave Michael franchise along and dead and Barry he should be? I would say that would be the best thing. I wouldn't do a blad interview on it. I wouldn't do against the Chronicle's interview on any more.

I think, you know, how does Michael. By the way, Michael is a few years younger than me. I think he maybe really, I don't know, maybe sixty. I'm seventy five. Michael's in a six. Let's live with life. We have left in a positive on a positive note, and and and we don't have to go back and forthtand each other down over a situation. You over here, he's over there. Like you said, it's over and done and Gains. The Chronicles is done with the Michael conversation.