On My Momma! The K-Toe Episode

Gangs dot Com a k a. Street TV. And usually I say I'm here with my two co host, but I'm only hearing my one co host today, James McDonald. Reggie still here, Okay, Reggie Spirit. Reggie still here in Spirit. He's about, I don't know, several hundred miles away. And this is episode thirty one. And if you're new to the podcast, please visit us at Apple Apple Podcast and give us a rating and review. You can rate us

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but we're gonna try to bring in a guest. Sometimes sometimes there'll be a guest. Sometimes it'll just be James and myself chopping it up. But today we have a guest. And you may you may be familiar with my guests because he was on an episode of Street TV. And if you look up the word survival or adversity in the dictionary, they should have a picture of him next to it. I say that because we all know somebody that's been shot at We all know somebody has been

shot once. We might even know someone that's been shot twice. But this brother has survived getting shot on three separate occasions. That is a very short list for myself. And when I meet those types of people, in my view, God has a plan for them. God has touched them. So you might think it's some thuggery to get shot three times to survive or three Curvin separate occasions, but I think it's special. Um. He's got one of the smoothest voices ever. He rapped for many years, going back over

a decade. He currently has two podcasts right now, and he has one of the dopest catch phrases you're ever gonna hear. That one none other than Mr On My Mama himself. Cato Fournia is in the house man, Oh my Mama. I'm glad he's been saying that, man for over over ten years. I got him on video saying that about twelve years ago. Man too, but he double loved on it My mama, Mama, Mama, yeah yeah, but I was. I mean, you know, every hood and every street nigga has always said on my mom on God

and all that type of stuff. But I was the first to actually making a catchphrase on the entertainment level. You know, always did everybody I lives, So that would be like, you know, I'm like, oh my mo, mo fuck him. No, I don't want you to get into the details of of getting shot three times, because I got a video about that coming out. But have you ever met anybody who's been shot on three different occasions? No?

Not in real life. No actual I know one of the person that's been shot on three different occasions, actually know two James. I'm sure you probably know a couple. But it is a short list of people been shot on three different occasion A few times shooting at somebody. I got shot. Um, Uh, just hanging out, I got shot, Uh, leaving the fight, jumping in the car. I got shot. I got my boy got you got so you got more than three? Three? I was. I was shot right

here in nineteen. I was shot in between my my thighs. I was shot in the back with a nine here was eight nine. I got shot by the park village with a shotgun sprayed. I still got the bullets, the pelletan ship in my hands. Um and this one here to four different occasions. Yeah, you want a short list to ja. Basically, man, I wouldn't be here if it wouldn't. You know, Guys, will you know on this one? I mean, but and it's some ship, You're not just gonna be

out there good. You know. My little brother Timmy was shot twenty one times on one occasion, just a one time. Then he got shot in the back, so he'd been shot two different occasions. My my brother Puntre was shot nine times on one occasion and he passed. So you know, it all depends, you know some you know, it just wentn't my number, you know what I'm ship. Well, we we gotta. We got a video okay though that details that.

But before we get into some of the topics of the show, I want you to talk about the two podcasts you you've got going on. You got one with yuck Mouth Smoke a Lot Radio and then you got Tapping in with Kato. So talking about those Smoke a Lot Radio we formed that, you know what I'm saying.

We was on another network before a few years ago, and my homeboy Michaelo was the one who really got me that gig with Yuck to Um get on smoke a lot and be a co host because he was offered the job really and um yeah, was like I got a podcast coming back, you know what I'm saying, Because he used to be on another network before that, so Smoke a Lout. The brand already was cracking with another co host, but he offered Michaelo, the John Michaelo like, no,

my nigga Kato, let him do it. You know. He funny and it's a trip because the day that I was offered the gig was the first day I came out aside from getting shot this last time when I lost my love. So it was kind of crazy to just my It was one of the marijuana events um downtown and you know, you pull up. He offered this, so I got referred. So we end up on the other network for about a year, had it cracking. That was with Real TV. It was over there first. Then

you know, do some some creative differences. We got to funk about of there. You know what I say, every branded ourselves over here and be real blood from l A. Because he's a Latino. Do South Gate? I believe I was here someone saying he's from neighborhood family. He probably South gate and probably just had some pots in the security detail. You know how like that you're from from south central California. My whole whole name is Kato for you know what I'm saying. Yeah, now that's when my

dad selling spell not. I inherited the name that ain't no ship I made up. My dad is Kato Mac. I'm Kato Mac. He's okay though. Yeah, my pap this twenty seven straight o g Boss Dog is my daddy, Larry John Senior. I'm miss Junior. So you know I inherited the name Kato. That wan't no ship. I thought was sexy. I just made it sexy when pot came out. Ain't got cracking, no, you know, you know what I'm saying. But you know, so Smoke a Lot ready to the

new brand. We over here with Smone Taylor. You know what I'm saying, the dope actress and ship and yuck Oaktown legend and now it's the real l a voice that from South central LA that got the cache to say certain ship and tap in the ship. So it's the cold mix, you know, Okay, Um, so your your two co hosts on Smoke a Lot. We had Yuck on the show one episode like Hey he got he got one of the energy man the coldest, he got

one of the coldest hits in hip hop history. Man, he ain't got the number ain't never gonna stop being played everybody like the Star Spangled banner from Marijuana. That's like a commercial, isn't it like a commercial for every alcohol brand from from just to turn Up and making motherfucker's get involved financially in the turn Up? I got five? Who ain't got a little? How fun? I thank you?

It's crazy that you could turn that just a little phrase that we probably been said a million times before the song, And that's how you say came up with it. They were just sitting around broke and ship like piecing up and music was real, something real like that, which is right in your face. Every day we choose, some people choose to be other motherfucker's. Yeah you know Snoop Snoop Dogg said, had a line in the song that I used to hear the homies said all the time

before that song ever came out. It ain't no fun if the homie can't get nothing? Man, how many times? How many years have we heard dad in the streets? And then this guy just throws it. Always have listened to that slogan, little fist, because ain't no fun if the homiek had nothing out. But I think when I used to hear it, it meant like, you're gonna share her with the rest. There's your party, pussy, You only got a few minutes. Everybody got Hey, I'm gonna tell

you something. Used to Mama used to like a cigarette and when the cigarette get lower and girling, you've done with the cigarette. It was your turn. Come on, man, come on man. Anybody out there that know that, man henters in the comment that was that was the way. I don't even real Jesus that my silver sat niggas

know about that man. Man. I used to I used to bring a girl around when I was like sixteen, seventeen eighteen, and the older homeboy were like, man, it ain't no fun if the homey can't get none, gonna bring a bag of house and can't nobody get a couple. I'm talking about like eighty five, eighty six, eighty seven. I don't know what your snoop put that in the song, but you know he got it from you know he

got it. He got it from the soil. Yeah. So you know there's there's these phrases that we've been hearing for years that turned into millions of dollars for some of these rappers. Crazy hunt and the soody can give them more my Mama money. Now he's been raped so many times on your Mama is being used by a very well known rapper from out of the Athens. Oh my mamma. Yeah, j I stayed over there in that building on a Hunt twenty six and fig two. The

real building befolds even food around that motherfucker. Yeah you know yeah, yeah, oh my mo mamah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But I don't think he got it for me and nothing. But it's it's a Ghettohood inspired time. And I you know, I say great minds thinking like ship fuck it cool now we gotta talk about But he might have heard the mixtape. You know what I'm saying. You know that used to bang my ship, so you never yeah, that's the street ship. It's like saying, do God. Alright.

So so this is this is our first episode without Reggie Wright Jr. Man And you know, I'm thinking about the brother right now. He's sitting somewhere, probably in the cell and at Water, California, in the federal penitentry. In fact, he's in the camp, but that camp is connected to a maximum cured He's not connected, and it's not connected. It's about it across the street or something. Let's in the quarter mile. Let's it's right across. That's what I

wanted to Yeah, it's. Man. When we got there, one of the immates came out on the bicycle. Who it about the gate out of the little yard on the bike. So I stopped him, be nicing, man, we're dropping off. Man, who woa? So he gets to telling us what we got to do. After that, dude gets on the bike and start ride through the parking lot. So yet, yeah, he good, But it was it was it was crazy driving him down there. And then, you know, looking at my rear view, looking at him, you know why he

was trying to sleep. I kept acting him you got the butterflies. Yet, you got the butterflies. Yet, I'm knowing what he's going I'm knowing what he's going through. He's sitting there thinking of old time. Man, I'm about to be without my family, my wife, the whole mind. And I don't know what to respect when I get in this place. So just talking to him and just trying to, you know, reassuring that you know what, man you could, you could man ain't nobody, you know what I'm saying.

It still took effect on him where you can just now you see how nervous he is when we hit that corner and he's seen that building, that building, that bible wire and ship. He was he had to take a deep breath. We went and sit down and eight he couldn't. He couldn't even that was the stomach, that was the butterflies, and you ain't been to take nothing down. And then we went from from this side of the yard to that side of the yard, and you know,

we sat down and we actually had a conversation. You know what I'm saying on how his daddy felt about this situation, because he made numerous calls, just talking, talking, and he kept calling his family and just I'm gonna be good. I'm gonna be good. Which any man that that's been going there first time, you're gonna get the butterflies and you're gonna get the same ship that Reggie did. You know what I'm saying. For the first time. And yeah, when you just take your first your first ride, you

get first d And Reggie was a police officer. Man, Reggie wasn't us. Reggie never do Onlyn side. He's seeing of the yard was finger putting your ass and all that. He was the jailer when he first started off jailer. So but now you go from taking the cuffs off of motherfucker's to put them on raising his hands in the in the dude that the gates had to search it. I want your I d go sit back in the

car here listening to their commands. Command once Gay, So what was did he have to be there at a deadline, like a certain time? They wanted him there at two o'clock, but we took off at five in the morning. And I mean I didn't. I didn't have a problem driving him down there, which I wanted to be that point, you know what I'm saying, because I know what it's like. Why didn't his all wife take him because he didn't

want to? And that was my thing with him too, you know, she getting up in the morning and driving you down and she got to drive back by herself. You know what I'm saying. Pops had to do his thing. His moms had to work well, his father is definitely too elderly to do it. And it's only right that his friends, Yeah, I focused you call you friends, say okay,

come over in this roll. That had been a harder type of entrance though, coming up in there and your wife and your kid dropping you off, and it's what's that. That's like the self, that's the phone in there. You're gonna be constant. You didn't know Reggie used to be a cop back in the day before he was had his first tip top first time being you know what I'm saying, incarcerated or something because you know, but it's

a good thing. And the reason why I said it's a good thing is because Reggie get to see all the ship I talked and I'm sitting over there and he didn't lean him back, you know, defending that. Now you're sitting in his motherfucker on the other side, and now you're gonna have are you're gonna appreciate my position. Now that point of view gonna change a lot of levels opposed to yours. So, I mean, man, it was

it was. It was crazy taking him down there, and who was your last conversation with him, like before he had to um, I guess turning go into the building. Were you able to walk in the building with him? No, actually we was. They made us get back in the car because they weren't gonna let all of us come to the gate but him. So we got back in the in the car and uh, I'm I'm trying to family go through the gate and they told me you can't film man. Fuck dad, I'm in the film and

going through this gate. But I put it down because he was nervous. They made him come back after they ran a check on him and say okay, yeah, belong here, and then then they called him again. And then after they did that, we thought we was gonna have to take him back to the camp. But they went on and took him inside the gate, and after they searched him and had his hands up and all that, ship he all right. Because we was trying to leave when

we first got him there. We was going to pull up in this motherfuck drop him off, and we're gonna go get back on the highway before traffic. You know what I'm saying. I didn't want to get caught in the traffic. I drove up and back. So he was like, I ain't trying to go up in here this early. Okay, we understand, and uh, me and and Brian just shooting

the ship at the gas station. Then we had to drive all the way from the at water go get something to eat, set there and talk, setting the parking lot and shot the ship for a minute to kill time, and then we just went on and took him up there and they did their thing, and it was crazy leaving without him. Man, it was like, damn when they for real? Man, now this official. Yeah. I looked up on the Bureau of Prisons website his release date. It's February,

February one. Yeah, but my cousin is a correct correction officer. He called me after he seen the video and he was telling me that that's gonna change once they get him in the area and short out his time so he can get his time Shorten said he might have action because he had the bracelet on for the year. So if they do that, Reggie got love. Reggie be home way sooner than we know. So he just told

me to getting shaped, get right. No, they over there good, Yeah, he said, they get cakes pass and all that ship ship Now, I noticed he had on the death Row shirt while y'all was driving him up, but when he walked in, it didn't look like he still had that death Row shirt. It ain't been warm trying to keep right. I mean, if I mean that's how you feel, that's how you feel. I have went in there with it just a T shirt me. But Reggie, I mean, that could bring all different types of ship. And then it

ain't like motherfucker's didn't know he was coming. Yeah. Yeah, they listen to the now Cato on on smokel Our Radio. You had both Reggie and James on the show about what two weeks ago? About two two weeks about three last weeks ago? Yeah, yeah, you guys didn't. I didn't even get to Uh we had fun over there. We're just talking to don't we just kind of just breakfast Club two point oh type of ship. We just conversate and have fun on that motherfucker like we touched it,

but probably not as an intricate detail like y'all. Reggie had me over there too. Oh yeah, what happened? He's entertaining. We had a conversation about, uh what Blad had posted? Oh I did that? You guys talking about the lad posting reparations, right, you know, why would you think like that. You know you're making money off blacks, regardless off there's voluntary or not. You're getting paid, So why would you eat off me and then speak on me in this fashion?

One black representations all to me. So I can honestly say I said here in this chair and and and said black was he helped me when when I was at the time where I wanted to speak out. But what the funk do that matter? If this is how you're talking, you know, you show your true colors. I can flip like that. You're the wrong person to say that. That's deep, that's deep. I haven't seen the tweet myself.

I would like to see the tweet and read how he the context he played And um, he wasn't asked that ship, you know what, I'm just Ship decided to say, so that that takes a lot of the their That pumps a lot of air into the bullshit because he wasn't asked. So you gave an honest opinion. World you felt you know what I'm saying. So you're getting comfortable because most of your bread comes from our ups and

are damn you. So did Reggie take a position that he agreed that it was too late for reparations or something from from show I'm hearing about Reggie. Reggie took a Reggie position Devil's advocate type ship. Fuck it? And that's why I asked, and I said, I think you just be trolling and saying some of that ship because you can't believe some of this ship, but not that you're telling me the d Cent law enforcement and him. You know, I'm thinking he had a little thug juice dripping.

So some of that ship I used to rebuttals when you know, I'm not talking about the gangster part of about the person. I'm talking about the outlook when he said earlier about him going to sit down, gonna make him understand his angle searching, So I mean it on that level, not gangster. And I'm talking about far as how you siprocate ship, Well, he definitely got to understand it now by by being behind there. Are they gonna treat you different in there than every other inmate in there? No?

No they're not. No state is the inmate's gonna treat you like that? Now, So you know that's one thing by being in prison. You might have to worry by the motherfucker just mad that you didn't want to just stab your ass. You that don't want to go home. Fucking I go back over there. But I got that mother. But everybody at that campus got short time. It don't matter. A lot of men that had uh two days and wake up and win to stabb the motherfucker. I can't

leave this yard without getting this motherfucker. Some motherfucker's don't turn up to They can't with that mentality. And and and I can't exclude him from not having somebody to feel that way or whatever, but to take up for people and you know they're wrong, like Reggie do. We didn't argue many times sitting here, and my point is now he see what I'm talking about because you on the other side of defense. I don't think it's going

to change the way you think. So you think when Regg get out, he's gonna have a kind of a different outlook, different on a lot of on a lot of ships or not. Because when you sit here and say, when we were talking about going out and those guys was acting, can they start this what was that that in Madrid somewhere and how he was like, oh yeah, gang bangers going to rule hold up. I don't given how you cutting you damn their game are you know

what I'm saying. So so going to jail, having to sit down, he gonna, he gonna he's living with people. But here's my question, as Reggie Wright being the head of Death Row security, he had to turn his face at a lot of criminal activity like beatens and assaults. He knew people was getting stomped out. The question we should ask Reggie why he was here, but why would he have to turn his face? But I'm saying he was able to accept that. He put himself in an

environment where all kind of assaults and all kinds of things. Understand, Reggies got damped up. He's just a different us, you know what I'm saying. He ain't unleashed, he ain't let out. Reggie is another one of us. He just a black man. I don't want to call him a nigga, but he definitely does not believe that there's a problem with unarmed people of color getting shot by the police. He don't

think that's the problem. That's that's that's not true. I don't care what position he's stand behind the beach always supports the police officer and make that stand to make games of chronicles what it is we have to do, you know, agree to disagree Devil's advocate. But if that's the if that's the I I think he took that role as Devil's advocates so strongly he developed his own mental capacity and setting that bullshit. He believe Reggie Reggie.

When Reggie was officer, he's totally different from what you see. His opinion and his input and ship was was he was rough. Well where was the mental switch at? When did the ship switching click to the next side to the dark side? And I don't know why we never even spoke on that. When when you're here and when Reggie Reggie was a police officer, and I think we did talk about that. The conversation came up about shuged

being kidnapped and all that ship. Reggie Senior called Reggie right, his son Junior Junior, Get what sugar they're talking down? He becomes part of death Row. Now, you know, you don't embarked on something totally different now because the police is already looking at death Row. Now we got police officers here in death Row which I didn't like, and I've said it on this show, Blad and everywhere else.

And I so told Reggie is I don't think you should be here the police because by him coming there, you gotta look at all of these guys sitting against this wall. You have arrested these brothers, the Homers, and now you have to work with it. So, like Reggie said, it took time for us to even like get to get to fill each other. But in the same choken, I know y'all seen deep covering all that other ship. The longer you stay in, the more you're gonna learn how to get reset. You're one of us, and and

and and and he and it. Gradually it came that, I know y'alln't called Reggie many times saying one of the home, he's one of us, and then whatnot that I ain't I ain't never game, but he kept He catches himself a lot of time where he puts himself as one of the mob par rules, but then he says, no, no, no,

I never wasn't a member of the mall. And the reason why you do that is because he had and Reggie grew up in the neighborhood you know what I'm saying, And by growing up in the neighborhood, now you're arresting motherfucker's now you he ain't beating him, but a couple of couple of cats he had fights with that. I'm not going to jail. Now you gotta wrestle him and

and and go to jail. But where where where where I met is Reggie had to like gradually get into what his position at death role before they even started interacting with each other. You know what I'm saying. You got the cops on this side, and then you got the blows on this side, and then you got the cryption the studio. So Reggie and was just their own little thing and he was sucking shure. So now the homies is okay. Regg is he own one? He doing this,

He doing okay. So now he accepted. Now, I think a lot of neighborhoods have that one guy that became a cop or went to the military. In fact, recently there was a guy named Pierre Romayne who actually went to um Verbon Day with um with Reggie, right, But Pierre roman was from rolling sixties crib and then he

went to the military. Then he became a cop, but then they charged him with an old murder that happened in the eighties because of d n A. And he was found guilty of seven murder back in two thousand seventeen or too no, uh, he was resting two thousand and seventeen. He was just found guilty this year, two thousand nineteen. But I'm wondering how many people did we grow up with that became cops and went to the military, And yeah, I think there's a whole lot lot. Yeah,

do we look at them. Here's a question we always look at the police department is like, man, it's too white. It don't look like us. But then when there is someone that looks like us as a cop, we say, sell out, Uncle Tom. But but a lot of them don't take on the they just like us attitude. They turned into them until some some tumultuos happened in their life and they need to niggas back, they need to

ghetto back, but they don't. Just like I said on one day on the show, like and there's no been no documentations of one black cop at least getting that his co workers, Like we do need to be retrained. We new need to be read. Who who? So you know what I'm saying that they don't. It's always shut up this, you know what I'm saying. Or the nigga with the stripes that don't give fun, he already been reset so tough. It's like ships. So yeah, it's gonna

be like that. But that's a small cases. Like Reggie, you got niggas that that hood, that hood life took over and he rather to be hood than on that other side. He had fun over there. It's not just that. It's white cops too that that feel that way. You know, they grew up a certain kind of way, but then down Mexican police officers, they grew up a certain kind of way. They go to the military, they come home, what jobs do they have available for them being police officers? Correctly,

because they take it a whole other way. They insert their people into the system so they can look out for their people. Is wrong. We just don't do that. We just don't do it, you know what I'm saying. But never wrong with it. If every motherfucking thugged me, that just woking the street right now today, say he haven't encountered the cop that he ever sit back on the car and conversated with he is a goddamn line. How do you think they get to know you and

and funk with you like that? The White Card used to do that, you know when the White Card come out. Yea, they want to get your whole name and everything, gang name and all that. Ship. Come on, man, But yeah, Reggie is Reggie is totally is different and he's gonna be different when he comes on. All right, straighten up and fly right. I'm gonna go through some fact checks

from last week. There's only a few here. Reggie actually brought up the name of a Compton police officer that had killed two Samoans, and he said, uh, it's not on my list. Remember, because um, I made a list addressing your question from two weeks ago, how many how many cops have been charged with murder? So I looked up Al Skiles. And the reason why Al Skiles didn't show up on my list is because he wasn't charged

with murder. He was actually charged with voluntary manslaughter onto Samoans and he and he beat well, he got a hung jury and then they didn't even prosecute him after that. But in he claimed that two Samoan brothers attacked him. Um Pali v to a Lua Lele thirty four and his brother it's TOLLI twenty two. We're both shot and killed by Officer Al Skiles of the Compton Police Department. This is before they became the Sheriff's And uh, yeah, he killed two Simons. Do you remember that happening in

the Compton in ninety one? James I heard about it and they charged him. He went to trial and got a hung jury and that was the end of the case. Two men unarmed and get a man slaughtered. Well, they charged him with They didn't even charge him with murder. They're just charging with voluntary manslaughter because he said that they threatened him. And I guess it becomes his story against the two dead guys stories. Man. I swear to God, that's one thing they need to take from the police.

I feared for my life. If you fear for your mothercker life, you need to quit. Yeah. Yeah, if you scared your job, you need to quit. Wow. Um. We also talked about homeboys pushing up on on other guys women and when we mentioned this one woman that actually has babies by two Jackson brothers, Um, I couldn't remember her name last week. Her name is Andra genevive Oza. She's from Colombia. She met She met Randy Jackson in

eighty six. They never married and she had two kids with Randy, Genevieve and Randy Jr. But while Randy was out of town one day, Jermaine starts dating his brother's girlfriend and then they secretly get married. In um, Randy was hot as you, and um he ended up having two kids with her, Jeremiah Jackson born in ninety six and Gerr Majesty Jackson born in two thousand. So, um,

it's an interesting dynamic. They keep you Daddy is a mask, niggas, They keeping that ship real real, real motherson for all of those because that was his brother's baby mama. Yeah, something you never touched. If you get out like that, you're with anything and anybody's chick. But then eventually Jermaine actually married her and then they got divorced. Well he got married, he though, so when he came back from tour,

how the fund was Thanksgiving that year? Oh man, I wonder I would love it to that long got damn Randy Jackson. I would like to know what that first conversation between Randy and Jermain, was like, man, I leave out the channel. You're gonna go fuck my bench because too much, So how are we gonna do this? You just take my woman like that. You're supposed to be my brother. Foo. She's from Colombia. I don't care where

she from. Chapels are, uncle, but you take her. You have heard I'm gonna keep your nose right ever, talk to me again, clown. So then Jermain actually just sat there and let it all happen. Jermaine finds out that Alejandro Genevieve was actually married married still married to someone else and was able to get his marriage annulled. She just came in there, she came white, everybody out. And you know what's funny is now she's got she's got

four kids by the Jackson's. She's living in the Haven, hers house in the valley, the Big Jackson House, and Mama Jackson actually told her you have to leave before she do though, I would have tested those kids. Yeah, they could have been kids. Man, she already got another husband somewhere, So what else is she doing now? I saw pictures of kids. They they looked just like she ran a play now what's your few kato on this on this woman that ended up, you know, having kids

by brothers. They should have treated her like she well, she came in like the bed horse she should have been. They didn't know, they didn't They didn't know that at the time Randy met her when she was seventeen and Randy was twenty four. So was that when he was

Barry gordy daughter. No, Jermaine was with Barry Gordy. But so Jermaine slipped in aftery don't take it personal after his hit ran out, I guess, so that would have been in uh, when Jermaine started dating Randy's girlfriend, But by this time he was Jermaine was already divorced from from Hazel Gordy and he already left another woman named Margaret maul Denado, who he had. He had a baby by Hazel Gordy and Margaret Maldonado around the same time.

And then Hazel was fed up with Jermaine, she divorced Jermaine, and then after after he left Margaret Maldonado or Margaret left Jermaine, Jermaine started dating Randy's girlfriend. A woman don't want to stuck up man. A woman don't want a man to thank you. Pretty that she is, and that's what the Jackson was. They thought they was pretty people on this planet and the name was more ain't with the other brothers getting a main like hey man, you're tripping.

Man didn't say nothing. Okay, though it ain't no fun if the brother can't have so jest at it's always a hop. You gotta come in thinking like that and knowing what you bring into the house. She even even get out like well, I read a quote from from Genevieve. Genevieve and she said that Randy, the first boyfriend, never really treated her as the one. And when she met Germaine, who was the older brother, he was more mature and he really took the relationship more serious. Yeah, he had

that grown man swag. No, no, that don't matter. If she was a good woman, a woman of standards, she did deal with what she got already and tried to You said, you can mold Joe, man, what do you want the mother to be? I don't think. Man, Come on, baby, you gotta get up and do this. Come on, baby, you gotta do that. But you can't tell the Jackson though they like you just said they was standards. So he's doing his thing and she was so excessful. It's

still a no touch zone. Well, unfortunately, Katherine Jackson, the matriarch of the family, told her, you have to leave here with all them grandkids out the house, and they actually had to. It took a while to get her out. The pops A big, big joe was taken down, like, uh, motherfucker's all in housekeepers and ships, so you know they don't fake out from their daddy. Hey, the still mill workers ain't no joke man. Shit. Well that's from last weekly.

Don't want to They hired from within. Alejandra Genevivea Osiaza is her name. And the last fact check from last week is um James. When you were talking about when you you were telling some amazing Tom Klein stories during the Fern Hill Record days, you had mentioned that you were staying in Laguna with someone named Biggie, just explain who Biggie is. It's not Biggie Smalls. It's not Chris for Wallace, not at all. Baby bigg is a little hommy and and me and him was doing the Fernheel thing.

We had the house with the pood and baby Biggie was one of the guys that I copied the house with us. Not no Biggie Smalls, none of that. No, So it was baby Biggie all right. All right, So let's get one of the questions from this guy named Chuck m C m x C on Instagram is related to Reggie, who were just talking about. So let's go ahead and ask this question. Why why does Reggie Wright hate Black people so much? He always thinks we are guilty and up to no good and quick to make

excuses for everyone else, especially the police. Now I know I've known Reggie for a while. I know he don't hate black people. But I can understand this guy's question, this brother's question. Um James, help help this brother understand and Reggie Chuck every I mean listening to Reggie, Reggie is totally different from how we think coming from a police mentality, arresting you know, men of color and and dealing with the attitudes and all of that. Reggie is

totally different. You don't hate black people. He's black. He would have to hate his mama. You could have self hate. There are people, there are black folks that don't like black people, right, I mean, once you live up under that that certain code he was on, you know, wearing the blue and doing his thing. Reggie mindset was, you know, what we do is is criminal ship. You know what

I'm saying. But you know, slowly, with shortly, Reggie ship is catching up, has caught up with him on you know, the things we do, how we get down and actually letting him see, you're a regular motherfucker just like us, a regular person, you know what I'm saying. But Reggie just had a lot of ship, a lot of things that he had to clear up his chest and and and be able to sit right here and just call it for what it is. But Reggie don't see it

like that. Reggie see from a police perspective. So if you can understand my perspective, you gotta understand he is because of where he comes from, you know, his background. But like Reggie said many many times, you know, I ain't been in policing over twenty years. So he still don't think like us. Yeah, So I mean, I only to answer that question, Reggie thought at black people. His his way of thinking is totally different. I think he thinks that that certain things should be better with with

us or it's not gonna get better with us. So Reggie is like Rocky, but I know him, I know him real good, and I know he is not about color. It's about what we do and how we it down. Now, I'm Reggie is in a position where he's seeing us in him laying on that bunk at nine, than it living clock nighttime, coming in in the inside. You gotta come in at nine, Reggie getting what we got, not only understand it. So you'll see a different Reggie, Chuck,

You'll see a different Reggie. Thanks Chuck Chuck on Instagram. Now, I noticed when we talk about gang trucers, because there's a lot of gang trusers being talked about in Los Angeles right now. Reggie is completely pessimistic about any sort of trucing and discussions that take place with gang neighborhood. And I hate that, man. And I hate that because if if me personally I say I'm done with that, that's not And I hear other motherfuckers say, how do

you denounce your your your your hood. I'm not denouncing nothing. I'm fifty five, I'm fifty five years old. I'm not a teenager. I'm not gonna live the gang banging life and I'm not gonna do that. And and there's a lot of men out there in the same position, so you're not gonna see me say I'm I'm living this life. I turned over this, but I'm still throwing up a po shaying how you doing blood or whatever, And nobody

heard me come that way or say that. So man, come on, man, you gotta help me with with with that one, because he just doesn't have any belief in this type of conversation. And I want to ask Catto because Kato, you know firsthand about neighborhoods that can be enemies and then somehow figure it out and become allies again. And I'm specifically I'm talking about the forties and the thirties. They had a ten year war from I think nineties. Can you talk about that a little bit and how

real that was? That that was very real because like you know, we was our friends, you know, and grew up together, like from Normandy King Elementary Manual to Crenshaw, you know, even homies at Dorsey. Whether motherfucker's choosed to know that Crenshaw had a different rule set, but you get what I'm saying. And at the same time, all

hood was the flagship for the forties. You know what I'm saying, our homies and their homes because at one time it was hard in the thirties and forties, you know what I'm saying, before the neighborhood came into play and separated a lot of things after you know, a trade and sixties chopped up the cript car so tough. So our beef was more like fucked up for me because I went to Autoba Crenshaw. I'm looking at my

niggas I went to junior high school with. But in high school was suck them niggas, but back your minds, like damn you go home and go with their sister home. We got a baby body, you know what I'm saying. Like, so it's it's It's happened in a lot of other hoods that had problems and squashed it, you know what I'm saying. But ours was more intimate because we really actually grew up with the niggas than than really you

from folk Shat, you know what I'm saying. And um, when Tookie died, you know what I'm saying, old heads decided from my neighborhood. You know, we ain't gonna be smashing on other key ways. No more, we don't. And you know what I'm saying. And so in December of two thousand five, that's when Tookie was executed. That inspired conversations between the thirties and the forties to come to a piece of understanding that was that that that's when

it happened. That's when it was official. You know what I'm saying to where like you know what I'm saying, homies that had personal beef with them, y'all got they had a form to settle that. But no, man, when one person is bigger than the hood. So if the hood is staying, that's what it is. If you're from this hood, that's what it is, whether you like it or not. Period. And they don't have to go have barbecues and hang out with a motherfucker. But the rule said,

it's it's it's what it is. Because you know, my hood is particularly ran from the inside out and off the outside in. So it's what it's protocols, what it is. That's what they say, that's what's gonna happen. And it's been good ever since um two thousand and six and been as far as our our dealings with them, the dealings they got with other niggas that used to be allies with them. That's a changing of the guard on

a whole another level. And that just goes to sell you that a lot of the guidance is gone and this new generation don't remember old beefs, you know. And then you got this new epidemic of funck a big home. You fucking niggas ain't taught me ship because they start

following the niggas we've got bred. Now you ain't gotta have cashier seniority because it's, like I said, it got to the point of damn, they turned in the wrestling or picking a wrap group being from a hood because a lot of most niggas that's acting for niggas didn't actually grow up and the motherfucker's their mom has been shipped them off and they came back to purposely. But I'm gonna leave that alone with y'all because you got

a lot of cash coming. You can't start a gang career in two thousand and nine, two thousand and seven. You can't be a full flesh game, remember in two thousand and ten, not even in two thousand You know what, I'm saying, you're damn they're too late, you know what I'm saying. And if you're thirty and it's starting the game, bang, you heard too late game? And they and they influenced by music more than actual things happening, are distressing the hood.

And I ain't gonna say no names, but I was like, you're a game banker. And the reason why I said that to this person is because they had red and Burger the hair. You had a pair of pants on that had thirty zippers. I didn't grow up like that. You you have to identify, and you do not identify by wearing a pair them type goddamned and go jeans and whatever. You had a lot of people from our generation, parents, single mothers that broke their neck to get their child

out of that situation. But the praise and of the whole culture and how fly got through the media, they went back down just to That's what they deceived their president for keeping the real was when you know, smartest really the new gangster nownce a lot of niggas to miss the boat. Yeah, we came down parents. No, I know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is opportunity was given that we didn't have. That was, you know, because we're from an era where you're from the hood. You

from the hood. Wasn't no like on TV put me on Chief. That's some fictional ship that a lot of motherfuners think the ship was rooted from. And it wasn't. This was your community, this was your area, this was your hood. You didn't you didn't have to pick. You couldn't pick. You know, something's matter on the weekend, they hanging even with it. They at house. Then you grew up with the nick of your whole life. And when you get the high school, damn your blood. Damn I've

been knowing you have my whole life. Well, you know, every summer you always go through his Daddy's. Every summing you go to grandma's. Mama got her first little apartment. It was over there. And but this is still my knigg. It was that becomer. Then you really ate the motherfucking The atmosphere changed, and so I think when technology came and like I always used that example of you can email the hood the motherfucker fist fighting, They're gonna email

your name back. That's how they do this ship. Now it's well, Reggie if you're out there listening. You know the thirties and the forties used to have a rivalry. Well they were allies and they became rivals and all their allies again. And it's been what thirteen years now, since two thousand and six and when two thousand nineteen, and they haven't understand that there's gonna be a change with this truth that that's going on in l A

right now. There's gonna be a change, whether he like it as a black man or not being a black man. I think everybody should jump on that board, jump jump on it. That's all talk positive about what's going on, opposed to trying to knock this truth down before you even get off his foot. That's our problem. That's not that was crazy said because like when um Nips died and everybody talked to bait I called it the day of atonement. People just wanted to that day just say look,

we want to represent this energy. It wasn't a gang troops. It wasn't nigga saying we're gonna get along. It was nigga saying we're gonna open the dialogue. But you had other hoods like this hood don't make no decision for us. This hood don't such and such can't say we're gonna meet up, but we'll do. So it's a lot of different heads gotta sit at that particular gang table. And then you got the other niggas that sit at that table that's doing it for the bread, you know what

I'm saying. And then other niggas ain't saying this ship ain't nothing really happened, So it'll be like flavor of the mud type ship going on. And you got young niggas younger than me. They don't know what the funk just happened, but they know that it was just shooting last week. It was a shooting last night. Nothing really stopped, you know. So they take more heads than just niggas that won't change at the table. You need the grindballs

at the table too, you know what I'm saying. Shooting they don't never want to talk to the dirt back grindball niggers. They always want to talk to some guy that they feel talk to them. Niggas in the trenches start getting at the start getting that the answs before they getting that nigga to the bottom of it. Is form of crew to get rid of the ones that don't want to listen. That's that's there. Gonna do that exactly that that that we do, not the police. I'm

talking about. Police are rhetoric of discipline and then you're then you're good because I mean, that's the dialogue that need to be opened up. If you get some cats that want to go and funk off the truth that that that the East Coast guys guy with me, you know, that's something that would do. You know what I'm saying that never thought that would if you if you ever been over there, man, that it's just a circle. Yeah, they gotta live with each other, but you know people

don't understand. Man, it's time we gotta stop living like that. And if we can stop living like that killing each other, then our kids and their kids gonna be all right. But we gotta bring something to it conversation. And a lot of these kid is dying to want to get down with each other and hang out and funk around, but you know, their motherfucking following suit. Yeah. Yeah, but you bring something different to the table. And you know it's a cool thing because I said, this is a

lot of black men out there with money. They got money that if you put them all together, you ain't spending a million dollars. You know what I'm saying, you're spending. I mean, I ain't gonna even get into the numbers. But it ain't gonna take a million dollars from each one of you. And it ain't gonna take five hundred thousand dollars. You know what I'm saying to to to get a building, a building big enough, or building building big enough, and and a couple of busses to pick

up and take to school and teach. But we did ain't gonna do that. But I guarantee you we get mad at the Mesicans, and I'm gonna point blank put it out there. We get mad at the Mesicans. They're driving, trust oh they're living in that house, they're d deep. But you're living in the five bedroom house by yourself and struggling. Who's smarter? Who's smarter? Not harder? I'll tell you that much. And start selling tacos and everything and and get our money. They even they even big water

men as well. We can't sell them. Come on, man, go get to the yellow watermelon. Normally own the nigger slice. You know what's gonna damn sure, you're trying to be funny, But look at how we live opposed to everybody else. And then let's stop hating on how they live in and started living similar to that art. Let's figure out a way how to live together. And they're opposed to My sisters got two kids, got a daughter live with her,

and she in a four bedroom. My other sister got a four bedroom to her and her husband and and his daughter. Nobody else, pig, You got three cousins on a damn street. That's on them. They're not coming to my house. Why if you got a job, you're gonna pay for this room you got, You got a year, you got eight months. You know what I'm saying. And that's how they're doing it. And then they're able to move out and get their own ship, and then now

everything is good at this house. You know what I'm saying. I can pay a car, I know that I can do this, and that two people paying fifteen hundred the month, we can handle that. We can have that, and they don't never know what instead of instead of me trying to bring you up, you see me stepping on your toe. You can't climb the letter if I'm stepping on your toes, and we got to change that be a reflection how motherfucker feel about theirself when you want to breathe that

much motherfucking crabbing the bucket mentality. Excuse my language, but you know we're talking real right now. You know, you got a lot of cats out there that get mad over this and get mad over that. But if we keeping one hunted, how the hood is, how we got some cats don't don't look at the hood like we look at the hood, or bang like we bang. Feel me, you got a lot of cats to sit there and and and just watching who making and pushing the most.

I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to the ward and I've been robbed his nigger And if I gotta kill us, nigga, kill us nigger. And I'm saying each of every last one of us, I ain't saying bam. I'm including myself with this. Fellas think like that at one point time we think like that. We gotta stop thinking like that. Well, he still got the younger generation that kind of things like that, you know, and we got the challenge of I have no problem with talking to people that are

thirty five and over. We could bring them to the table easily from any neighborhoods, from any set. But when I'm in these meetings, you can count on one hand how many people there are under twenty five years old. And those are the ones. That's the thinging you're talking about, you know. But I said this months and months ago. I see people doing these water challenges as I used challenge and all it is. And I said this on

the show, and we overlooked it. What if each black man over thirty five that got a kid, any black man that got a kid, video that kid teaching that kid, video yourself teaching this kid, and and put it to the show, and and and we bring something back for this one black man. Every black man teach one child could be your cousin and could be your nephew. It

could be your little brother. Like teaching them with the black man suppols, I'm saying, if it's only a quick video, we gotta what's gonna be WHI are you telling them that we have to stop and and and what how important it is to be a black man, especially now however the video go, but you're teaching this youngster that that that living this way and this way is a big difference. It's a big difference. You know what I'm saying.

You could be step dad. You've got a lot of step daddy's out there, better fathers than the real father. We got to step up and be fathers to our kids if we want to got a chance. I'm trying with my nephews right now, man, and it's rough. It's rough. So just think you know my sons. I don't want my sons to fall victims. So that's what you're doing today, man, Right, well, you know that ain't cool driving your car like that. It didn't get you know, conversation. It ain't all about money.

It ain't all about money. It's spend a time, man, It's spend a time, quality time. It's more pressure than anything. Teaching them. That's what I'm talking about. Each one. Teach one. Also, if if you said something earlier, KA though that a

lot of people are like after o gs. I just want to say, if if you have if you're from a neighborhood where the o g s don't have no influence, then your neighborhood is is in turmoil because a neighborhood that has structure listens to the big homies and if you ain't listening to the big homies, you ain't listening to those guys that have wisdom, that already been on the penitential yard for over ten years, then your neighborhood

is in turmoil. You know you got aren't welcome to the table if you If you're in the neighborhood where you don't listen to the big homies, a lot of the youngsters start just listening. Who got the money? Well, a lot of the big homes don't have it like that because they did on this penitential time, and and and and just the kids don't have to be talking to big homies to a trade to get a job.

But the big homies is at a standpoint because I'm not gonna go back to prison for being your answer killer. I might have to kill you because some guys ain't. It ain't never, so they're gonna you know, I'm trying to get you on the load, you know what I'm saying, So wash it up with myself in a situation where I might have to kill his youngster. But every neighborhood has at least multiple big homies. You know, they got

to come together if they have those issues. Because it's just like respecting our elders toned down and we're raised with respect our elders. And even in the streets, you raised to respect that guy that came before you. Then the majority of the big homies got families. I ain't gonna break my man. I'm going to the house man, My daughter got my son gota that's why I'm gonna Yeah, and then little nicks led us, you know, left out there in the dirt. But I mean, everybody got to

find some type of way to approach that situation. Because as long as you have knuckle heads, you you you your solutions, you can come up with a million. As long as you got knuckle heads, they're gonna because they look at it like, Okay, you don't went home to your house and your family, but I'm out here on the bricks and New Niggas just came to last night and we just did this, so y'all can't come in

the morning time. And we've been out all night telling us this and that one you know that you know it's it's an epidemic, went on to all I'm talking about Los Angeles. Ever, everybodyhood went through a metamorphosis. That's why you got all these new beefs and these allied beefs and these you know, because of Nigga's not on the hood history. If you're not getting watched uff you got killed. Yeah, and they should be tired. We should

be tired of that. All right. Let's um, we got to talk about this interview that's went viral on the internet. It's one of the most discussed interviews right now. Uh, it's well over a couple of million views. It was posted by a channel called Value Tayment and it is

an interview of Sammy the Bull Gravano. And for those who don't know who Stammon the Bull Gravano is, for you youngsters, is he was the underboss of the Gambino crime family in New York, one of the five families that pretty much run the streets in New York, and in he became state's evidence and testified against his boss, John Gotti. Now everybody should know these names because there's so many rappers that are either Gambino, child Gambino, even

corrupt uses the name Young Gotti. So you guys know these names. Uh. Sammon the Bull was the underboss for John Gotti, but he eventually informed on John Gotti, informed on the entire Gambino crime family, and even informed members um that were another families. I think he informed a

couple of guys that were in the Genovese family. And this guy ended up getting a five year deal, one of the sweetest deals ever in the history of the American justice system, because he admitted to doing nineteen murders. He admitted to more murders than your serial killer. In fact, you can say, Sammy the Bull is a serial killer. But the federal government gave him a sweet deal let him return back to the streets after five years, which

would have been in nineties seven. I think he got out ninety seven, and then he became an ecstasy drug distributor out of Arizona, and uh, he ended up catching they caught. He caught another case. He did seventeen on that and he got out a couple of years ago. Gave this incredible interview, and um, he's the biggest informant in American history. I listened to the video, and damn, man, the man is like keeping in one hunting and and

you gotta listen to him. You know, all the other guys he was speaking on those guys was was talking to him and are coming at him in a in a bad kind of way. So he was like, that what you want me to be a I'm not stupid. He explained how he was in school and a lot of people thought he just thought he was like just a dummy. But man, the dude did all kind of things. Uh,

his situation doesn't make it right. I mean, only only he can say that, I believe, because what what what the way he described how umn when John Gotti gotted him to tell him, we want you to be the bad guy in here. They're gonna come at you and make you look like the monster. So I want you to go in here and say you a monster with it and I'm gonna go home, and you're gonna go on and do that time. Come on, man, what man stands that tall? It's not a man on this planet

that stand that tall. I don't care what what what family are you in? But other than that, man, I see a lot of I mean, we really didn't have enough time to just listen to that and then just really go into it. So me personally, I can't speak on the dude on on his situation, but it was an interesting story. Man k what you got to say about it? I sat through it, you know what I'm saying, checked it out, and I was like, I tripped off,

like you're about to fire my fucking years? I said, what damn things like, well, you know, I said, twenty two years in prisons like the seventeen here now I'm bigger than ever. I'm wounding then with the mob. They don't kill you. You just don't have your friends no more. I'm like, this ain't nothing like they say in the movies, you know what I'm saying, But on some real ship, Um, I'm I'm I'm I'm with my man right here, Like

who stands that talk? Who you gonna say, Hey, I'm about to go home, run all this time and throw wet phody on your bucks. You're gonna be a hero. The family's gonna love you. We out Hold up on me, Hold up player, I'm gonna run for what I ran with? But what about what you was running with? And that's a and that's the that's the niggle get his hands dirty on the lower level. That's the classic case of

what the ship is going on now? But now they getting Now they're getting their little conversation for the information, so it's a little easier. But a lot of the case that they built was, you know, John Gotti used to run his mouthful lot, so they put their put the fancial No, they used to put wire taps in like different places. They used to talk, so they got him on audio talking ship, you know, but none of it was not to the police. No, no, no, I'm

talking about what was any of the ship about Sammy? Though, Yeah, he used to talk down on Sammy, he's to talk. He got to hold him so so that the fans played them tapes also the sam and say, look, this is what your boss thinks of you, and he's listening to it. This is before he decided to rat. And initially he just said I don't want to hear none of that. But then eventually the fans was able to just got to him. Come on, human being. But I mean, you know, out of ninth Chaine, how many of you,

how many him that you did that? How many times you pull the trigger out of ninth chain? That ain't important important, but this is what it was consistent. If you and you're going to drive by with me, we all run. We we the same rules. But the way they lived compared to us, it's totally different. They made money, that's all of it's about. It's all about money, about nothing. But he can honestly say he was a gangster and he was uh what you call a racketeer, a businessman, businessman.

By me being a games I'm one hundred with it, but I'm still making them. I'm making money on the same time. And it's that's the way it really is out here in the streets. You know, there's that guy that can bang. He he bangs, but then there's another guy he hus you know. But every once in a while you find that guy that could do both right. But that's hard because you're usually when you're growing up, you gotta pick one. What you wanna do you want

to make money or game bag? Because you got gangsters out there and started off. You ain't hid just selling marijuana and still got money. You know, that's with the business. Don't need to call him homies to come and go bam. You know what I'm saying. You've got guys out there like that. But the way he explained it is is all of this is ours. We all call this case. It ain't just mine. So nineteen might be only form's

just here in my hand. So, I mean, but you could actually look those nineteen murders up um piece by piece, And because he eventually had to tell the fans everything, he didn't want to talk about it in the interview, but you could look it up each one. What his role was in all those nineteen murders. Uh, the ones early in his career he pulled the trigger on. His

first murder was nineteen seventy. The last ones were in the late eighties, so he was part of the hit against Paul Costallano when they killed the boss, the then boss of the family. So I ain't know nothing now, I don't even get it that deep intew it. Yeah, we don't know. I mean we're like, like, like you're saying that video, we're still on the outside looking in. Those dudes. Their life totally different, and more people would kill but sisterly ship than than our ship, you know

what I'm saying. But a lot of times they would wax somebody because of a rumor or belief, like the same way you know, look at to mess with the white Yeah you went back and just just fucking lines. But I mean, man, they rules them or they have rules. We don't now. One of the things that stood out to me in the interview is he said that today's Cossa Nostra mafia it's less violent. There's less murders because there's too much FBI investigations of all of these guys

all the way down to two and three. Yeah. So, and that's the way the streets gotta get. You don't need a whole lot of senseless violence if you out in the streets trying to make money, hustle, do whatever you're trying to do. See, the only thing I can say about that is money talks. They still conducting business such as they did all these murders with the FBI

up they wrecked them dtifteen on each family. You know how many FBI agentes that is to go bam to look into these ship they cross the notes and everything else. How many FBI agents we're getting paid to turn the head, to turn their head, to lose the brows. They're not living like and then their game is corporate. Now they got covers man, not the little boat day on the corner, no more. They got you know, they actually did, they

got going on. They ain't ain't ain't ain't just the motherfucking store down the street in the restaurant, and we're shaking them down. They're shaking down corporate a million dollar companies. Now, wasn't the mother ship? They actually did indicte an FBI agent that helped uh guys in the mafia commit murders, Robert Connolly, He ended up getting a life sense and he was the FBI agent out of Boston. I believe his name is Robert Connolly. We'll double check that. Um,

the town, huh the town? The town, you know, you know the town. What's what's your I want to know what you guys feel about the FBI, the federal government allowing a guy like Samon the Bull Gravano, who admitted to nineteen murders to be free again because in in the in our world, you'll never see the face of freedom again. But and and that's the difference. They don't care. Look at me the world. I would let you go. If you can give me fourteen of you, I'd rather

get the fourteen of you. And you're going about your business, don't. I mean, that's just how the police were, the hun police, No you killed, that's not doing their job. Letting the murderer go if you chell on him, because he's the one we want, I will let you go. All you would do lesser time and do a year and going about your business and what you know is what we can prove. We don't care if you Is that fair? All the guys that sitting on death road with life? No,

that's that's what I think. The government is so dirty for allowing sam and the ball out after five years? More more Sammys. And then what did do after he don't get that sweet deal? After he did those five years? What did he end up doing after that? Ka though? When he got out, you end up doing some more

times he wouldn't He moved to Arizona. Oh when he got that lived in Arizona at that time in ninety nine seven, and that was around the time, you know, music and ship, so that particular item that he had was hot on the entertainment market, you know what I'm saying. You know that ship flooded after everything broke loose, though, and that's when his South Central real cold with no five dollars either for that ship. And you're talking about

you're talking about the distributed. So he became the biggest He became the biggest ecstasy distributor. After the Feds let him out after doing five years, we're gonna do your solid. So basically the federal government became part of drug dealing like they're doing with the system. He got out and did him. I mean, I'm a natural, right because I got something else I need to do. But look at it, got a podcasting straight after twenty three years in prison.

But damn, I mean you can change. Yeah. Now, did you hear the part about the Don King story where they were trying to get into boxing and John Gotti told Sammy, UM will tell Don King to do this deal so we can get some boxing go by trained by Um Freddy Um, not necessarily training, but trying to get a deal. What they wanted to do is bring this Italian fighter from Italy who was undefeated to fight Mike Tyson. He was gonna come fight Ray Mercer and then after he beat Ray Mercer was gonna fight Mike

Tyson for a big purse. So John Gotti told had me, you know, go talk to Don King about it. So Sammy sends his other dude from the family to go talk about it, and Don King says, no, I don't want nothing to do with that. So the guy tells Sammy he said no, So Sammy tells John don King said no, So John Gotti said, kill Don King. Then so he ordered a hit on Don King for Sammy to to to fill. So Sammy sends the guy to go kill Don King and the dude end up running off.

He said no, I'm not killing Don King and he disappeared, And so he told the whole crazy story about John Gotti wanting Don King killed. But darn King, well he that's what he said. He said that, Um he said. Don King said, Look, he's from Cleveland, he knows people, he did time. He don't want to do the deal. He's telling John Gotti, you don't want to do the deal. You can't make this man do the deal if you don't want to do the deal. And John said, you know what, if you don't want to do the deal,

kill him. That's all that John didn't want to hear nothing about he did time before, and he's connected to the did the Cleveland. He just said kill him. And that was the way John Gardy was. You know, so I thought that was crazy story. That was a crazy story about about Don King almost getting killed by the Gambino crime family. Um, let's see what else we got here. Um, he told a crazy Teddy Atlas story. Another boxing story. Oh,

here's this is funny. He told the story about converting to a Native He converted to a Native American religion so he can smoke. I guess they banned cigarettes and the fairs at this time, so the only people that were allowed to smoke were people that had religious and spiritual reasons. So Samitable converts to the Native American religion so he can smoke for those five years. I don't blame me, but I mean everything they take from you, you find a way to get it back. That's just jail.

I was living, all right. So, um, we got another question here. This is for you, James. We actually talked about this on a previous episode, but this is from MS on the LOWTHO on Instagram. What was the story behind the Bounty Hunter hunters having Shug surrounded at in the Nicholson Garden housing projects during the o F TV video shoot. I think that that was the video for cracking. Yeah yeah, well only only he wasn't surrounded. It was

two people that came to get that shipped. Um, and one of those guys is no longer decea um shug got dealers with a little bit of everybody. But these two particular cats were, you know, like really on their ship, and uh, we were standing there, Me and the homie Wall were standing there when they approached him and and and we wouldn't gonna let it go down at first because they wanted to go in our bathroom and holler. So Show was like looking like, what should I do?

You ain't going in there? And I got at the home and was like, oh man, y'all ain't gonna do him like that in here, and uh He's like, no, no, I mean it's we but we got a holida him. You already know the deal, so I already knew what was having And she looked at me. I looked at Walter. He looked at them. He said, I'm good, I'm good. Just wait right here. He went in there. They had they talked it, they think, and came out and after

that we were left the video shoot. Was it a little bit of bullying going on with the two dudes from Bounty hunting on somewhere? Yeah, yeah, that that's that's that was their intent. But there was no no hands was put on that. Okay, no no, no, no, no, no no no no. Even though uh at that time, no and and and and those guys was like one hunter with me. I've been knowing, uh, what's the name for a long time. I don't think we couldn't let that happen. And this is before Reggie Wright had Right

Way Security. This is pre Reggie. This is pre right Way security. It was like ninety three or something. Yeah, hey man, let me tell you. They had twelve year olds, little a little youngsters. All of them had a strap. They was ready. You don't want to go into project. Now. How deep were the pirus um during that video shoot? Because you look at thee enough there was about a hundred bounty hunters in that video. It was a little more than that there. But we were we were we was,

we was pretty deep. And and you know, it's just sad to say, you know, going to different blood neighborhoods where you're from, you you were blood. We associate, we're supposed to. But the tension that was there because of his dinner shook dinners with them, and what they purposed was kind of like pretension on so every we all knew that what was going on. This ain't the first time this happened, so we already knew the situation. But

once they talked, just being uncomfortable. One of the homeboys was drinking a photy and one of these little cats came look, little Barnie. How the dude came up and said, can I hit that blood? And he let him hit it? And he just turned around and walked away with the damn here with with the phony, right, So I'm liken, go get your phonty back now he can have that mother were they were strapped and ready, which we were too, but a lot of people would have got hurt if

that would have went bad that day. But it turned out good. And as the shire conversation he had of his business with them, Uh, that's all I gotta say. And all that was was just a push for getting another check. I guess, Uh it was more no no, no, no, no, it was. It was more to it than that. But but I mean that's something what's going But um should had his hands in a lot of things that wouldn't always music exactly, and and and things that he should

have took care of, you know what I'm saying. But other than that, I mean, he had to back up with there with him. If he didn't want to go in that bathroom, that's where everything would have started. And if he just said no, I ain't going to no bathroom with y'all, that's where we did. We did, it would have been on right then and there. All right, Kato, you on't smoke a lot radio, but you just started, uh tapping. You don't really get to talk about that long.

Let's talk about that. How did that come about? Young? Gave me action that uh digital salt box good looking, you know what I'm saying. They gave me action at my own um, my own platform to push my line my way. So you know, I just chose tapping in with Kato because I tap in a different thing from political side and music side, street side. I kinda kind of like the MTV field I come to you, you know what I said. I got the Eastwood episode up there.

We premiered the Nipsey Hustle Masterpiece song on there, which ain't drop chet that's dropping on his new project Problem Child. And I also interviewed Mayor elect from Pasadeena Major williams Um just to show my range in this podcast game. And I can sit down and talk to somebody from the loves of the dogs of the street to a political person, you know. And I'm just showing us a different ship to tap in other than dancing catching the ball, you know what I'm saying. I'm just you know, coming

from Repio set dbd C banging. So a lot of niggas known me from that and they can see my growth on a whole another level. So tapping in as me just showing my range on this podcast game them know, pay close attention to take me serious because everything ain't pooping and giggling on this one. But we're having fun too. But it's just you know, my time to run one. Now you have a song on that uh Reppio set?

When did that come out? Like? That came O oh six oh six under Reportable Records and Universal dropped it at all of h a double CD with a lot of dimos and crips on there. From Compton, Los Angeles. We do on Eat West Side Gang really, you know what I'm saying, and uh, you know we mean my boy Jackie Boy and baby Boat rock that ship I hate the hook down and a big chuck and then

produced the whole album. So it came out. You know what I'm saying, I'm looking to see it on Netflix and something a minute, how to how media is going down? So I give me a check beat. Here's somebody need to play. But it's a lot of niggas that was really reportables from their neighborhood made music. But the whole one rule what you couldn't diss. So it wasn't like

when banging on wax. So when my homies made True Blue, where you dissed just to run that, but you couldn't dis another hood when you when you wrap when you're from a neighborhood and no need to this. When I do my interviews for Street TV, I always get somebody you know that they start to fall back into their element and they start saying, um, yeah them crabs or

I say cut you say that without distance. It's a trip about this project because when this project came out and came out on national basis, and to put a lot of targets on nigga's backs, because when on social media like that, before the ship dropped, most of the niggas on these albums is dead. You know what I'm saying. I know when that album dropped a couple of niggs from Kelly park got killed even the set or the banging.

I was younger for banging on Wapio set and a couple of niggs got violated pos looking at the motherfucking DVD, they see niggas with choppers, and then niggas like, oh we have some nigga switched hoods. It was a lot went down, And at that time, when that album dropped, I was pursuing my music on a regular ship. So I'm I'm known now you know what I'm saying. Before you know, like I said, everybody knew easy to be with some content, but you didn't hear nothing. I mean,

Kelly Parker here in this music. So so how do your homies look at you? I mean, well, what's crazy? Because I got asked to do the song a couple of times. I said no because I didn't want to make no song like that, because I knew what was coming with it, because I already was digging in early in the nineties, so I knew to play. But I had another homie ain't gonna say his name, but he got at me. He was like, look, man, just you this platform to blow your own ship up. But at

the same time, we want this ship right. We won't a real homie, real homies, you know what I'm saying on there, that's gonna represent us right. And so my idea when I got with the homie j d Um Bowl was, let's make that motherfucker sound fun like an anthem for us. Let's let's be the only ones that act like we like being from our other. Because you listen to a lot of niggas music on there, it's like, well,

we're gonna through this. So we chose to make our ship because our you know, we we loved ones, were sunk around. We we have blue tie affairs, we party, we rocked. We ain't never buin us on the street ship, but homies, homiesme, real homies love each other. We funck around, we loved one. So that song was wasn't hard to make because it came from the heart from all of m j B the Bowl, Free Baby Bow with Ah. My job was to make that motherfucker sound connected, tight

and right, you know what I'm saying. And we're gonna stamp that ship all way and do it all way. And I haven't been in liquor stores slipping in different hoods and blood niggas and goted me like one nigga pulled up. I'm over there by the old stand over the Englewood and they got about of the store trying to grab me a little podkast. A couple of blunts. Niggas pulled up bumping that ship hopped out the car. Nig we listened to that ship right now, you're the

nigga from the rep. Y'all said so, I depending on how certain niggas had with their candle when that ship dropped, I gained a lot of respect out of that ship, you know what I'm saying, because me and my niggas was real about it. A lot of it was good music from some hoods, something like west Side Paroules had a banger, The Nutty Blocks had a banger, like the niggas ask some hard ass ship. Now. That was the CD and a d double CD and DVD. You know

what I'm saying. We didn't have no damn footage in our hood because a lot of niggas had the footage in their hood. We was gonna throw a big gas baseball game with the Home Home Girls versus the Folk Tray Home Girls, and that was gonna be our footage and we was gonna show the dopeness the fun ship, but the cameras niggas booked. Then I guess they went to another hood to get some footage and they got booked for their cameras, so we didn't get we didn't

get a chance to push our line. But we had a whole event, barbecue and everything setting for our ship. Our ship was gonna be liquor. You know, we west Side Roller was rich rolling, so it was on some fun ship, fresh ship with it. So you know, if I could take it all back, I'll still do that, motherfucker because we represented right alright. So where can people find your tap in with Cato show? Right here with y'all man, I'm on digital, so you get some Spotify,

Google brother, you know, said radio dot Com brother. She's gonna do when the tap in comes down on you man on my movel, you know what I'm saying. And Smoke a Lot. It's it's just like how Smoke a Lot is the Cogedy Show and tap in is a different world. But you get to do this. You get to do this by yourself, so you don't have two other voices. You're competing with no and I don't have the studio format. I go to him, so that enables me to kind of really tap in with you. And

I'm adapting to the environment of my guests. So you're gonna see some episodes. I'm somewhere where you might figurively think I'm not supposed to be there, but if you're a nigga, like hey Don, you should have been there. So who are some of your upcoming guests on Tapping with I got my boy Kareem Grimes. He plays in All American. He coming on. You know what I'm saying, I gotta. I don't want to give everybody up because I don't want to mess up to tap, but I

got some good I gotta. I'm waiting for James Savage and rascasting them to come from Russia. They're gonna rock with me, you know, because everybody needs so know. The reintroduction of jail felony is James Savage, so he's gonna tap in with me. You know. I talked to Uncle corrupting them in a minute. But I'm trying to give up some right now, some new fresh ship and some new heroes out here that, like I say, some actors. I'm tapping with the food truck motherfucker's you know what

I'm saying. All this new ship that we can be um showcasing, so I want to use my platform, whatever city or whatever, don't matter. I'm tapping in. I'm coming through. I'm sliding on you as long as you've got some ship work to be tapped in on. Don't mind off? All right, well, love everybody know before we wrap up the show, Kato where they can find you at online on Instagram. You can find me the Cato for in your kt O E F O R N I A at Gmail on UM. I'm not really on Twitter like that,

you know what I'm saying. I probably should, but I don't be on that ship. And just funk with smoke a lot yucking mouth TV right now we're airing all of episodes off Yukmouth TV on on YouTube, so you can tap into the yadada. Yeah what I'm saying, And uh, Facebook ain't ship, so yeah, just suck with me on Instagram man and tapping with the nigga. And if you're an artists out there, actor somebody that's doing this stuff, you know what I'm saying. Fun with the nigga, I

throw the holly back, all right. And before we wrap up, James, you wanted to address one of these questions that I was gonna actually say for next week, but go ahead. Yeah, Kevin Burrell and James McDonald was the two officers that got killed. His name was actually James McDonald, Sam is his exact name name was. And James McDonald. He was a white cop. And Kevin Burrell was was a brother. He was a jailer too, cool as the mud. And all the guys in Compton that went to jail, Kevin

Burrell was cool as the mud. Now that's a question from Logo five on Apple Podcasts that asked, can you speak on the two Compton police officers that were gunned down in actually going in the wrong place at the wrong time. Uh, it was pulling over a bounty hunter. Actually yeah, I don't want to speak bad on burning hunt his but he was going through some ship and and the situation happened. I don't know what was on

his mind or whatever. I'm speaking of. Kevin brill And and and James McDonald, they was cool, and I'm talking about cool, and they was partners, I guess that night and running to Jim and last their lives. It's very rare that someone drops two cops, let alone just one. I'm mad at somebody. Now, if you're in the same car, I mean, it goes to say, are you e very just saying kind of held four game bangers in the car, get cut with eight cage, pull over and let the

police take eight cages from him. But you're shooting the niggers, but you're pull over for the police. Blow the windows out there, motherfucking whistle. They're gonna stop. Now. I didn't say that. I'm talking about usion, but still, ye Jewish stop for the police. Ain't something wrong with that? Something's wrong with that? So I mean, yeah, I just wanted to mention them too. I knew him, and uh it was cool. It was cool, all right. Well that wraps

up episode thirty one of the Gangster Chronicles. And if you're trying to track James McDonald down, you can go to Facebook and find his his page there. He's got the red Harley in the profile pick and you could also find him on Instagram at b I G G JTY thirty six. You can find me at alex Alonso one zero one on all social media platforms um nine zero nine eight sixty four zero four if you're still

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