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current previous former gang members. And I'm here with Reggie Right and James McDonald and this is episode number twelve. And if you're new to the podcast, we would appreciate you guys going back to start with episode number one and get caught up because a lot of our episodes are inter related. You won't hear me until episode three.

And if you're listening to this episode of The Gangster Chronicles on iTunes iTunes podcast, please leave us a rating and a review so that we can continue bringing you this amazing content. You could rate us from one to five five stars, meaning you love the show, and you can write a review which also includes questions topic ideas that we will cover on the next episode. So real quick before we get into the main topic of our episode, a little fact checking from last week. We talked about

bartender O. G. Parrou. His full name is Lyle Joseph Thomas, born in February and was killed December four, James. And this is kind of like right around the time you started hitting the streets, right although although you, um, he had already passed. I mean his name was ringing bells and bells like like it was the thing to do. He was, he was right there with China Dog. Um.

It was a lot of those guys. Then we were younger hearing about um, you know, out there doing anything hanging and you know, at the park and yeah, that's pretty pretty much. And I'm sure you heard about bartender Reggie. Oh yeah, we heard a bartender growing up. You know. Like I said, I walked the streets Circumfltence as well in that area and he was a street legend growing up. Well, I just wanted to acknowledge him present his full name. Uh.

He paid the ultimate price. And you know, I always like to remember all our rest in pieces, uh, regardless of their life choices that they made in the past. Rest in peace to Mr Thomas. Lyle Joseph Thomas. Since you shouting now people that are rest in peace? What's the early county sheriff deputy name that uh that died this week? The Latino guy? His name is good question, I'll give you. I'll tell you his name in the

second because I'll just read an article. In fact, I had posted about it, but I posted about it when he was just shocked. I didn't even know when he died. And in fact, you know when I heard he was walking out here, were walking in the bathroom last week in the bathroom. You can hear the radio, But go ahead, tell us his name. I don't know, No, I don't. I can tell you I did. I did a list of every officer that was killed by a gang member in l A County, and it's not as many as

people would think it's by gang members. Yeah, over there, and we talked a little bit about Regis. Is his name from body? Re just Thomas. He actually killed two What are those two officers name? Let's shout them out. Those are your colleagues, former colleagues. Yes, all right? In another second fact check you brought up last week, Reggie, that one of those governors commuted a whole bunch of

dudes on death row. And that was Governor George Ryan, who was also sentenced to He was sent to six and a half years after he finished his governorship in the state of Illinois, he commuted a hundred sixties hundred sixty seven people. Yeah, they're still in prison, but they're no longer on death row. And yay. I'm not a big fan of death row. What about you, Reggie. I support the death penalty. Uh. The name of the deputy was deputy Uh. I believe it was Deputy Gilbert Silano.

That's it. But I'm a I'm a I'm an advocate of for the death penalty. Um, you know, as long as everybody go through the due process that's needed. Uh. And we've we're for sure that this person is the one that committed the crime. But that's the problem. You never for sure that that person is the one that committed to crime. Have you? Do you believe that somebody was killed on death uh that got the death penalty, was innocent and was still executed. I'm sure that has happened.

I can't say what's wrong in life without parole? Same thing Bible says I for an I right, Well, that's that's God saying that's what he will do. But it also says that I shall not killed. Why why do we let the state have the authority to legally kill people? Thou shalt not kill. They're killing people because it's and plus that eye for an eye from the Old Testament, it's not a New Testament. Philosophy and idea and a lot of things changed. You don't give a tem per

cent if you go to church. You don't believe that you should. I believe you give what you can, you give, you get five and if you can't afford, you give nothing. Let's say, you know, you have some people that deserve to die, like Richard and Merrit's for example. I think I think that penalty should be reserved for the most heinous offenses. You know, killing two cops, no heinous, No,

they're human beings, killed two human beings. Well, and I jumped in like we just Thomas, And I know that's when you say that, man, you've got so many cops and this is a different story. You got so many cops that killed so many people, and it's justified if they do it. But if I kill a cop the same way he killed me, I and say I felt threatened. That's why I shot this officer. I can't say that. It don't work for me, but it works for them. Some states have automatic death penalty if you kill a cop,

Well they should if you're convicted. Why why should cops be given Why should a defendant be given a more severe punishment for killing the cops. It's called a deterrent. It deters people from from killing. But I think you should get you invade from the police and riding down the street and run. It should be something like ten years automatic because because you you endangering other people lives.

Some some cases were not like that. Um, some cases, the little boy that got killed in the backyard, Uh, put your hands up, stop resisting, Stop resisting. If you listen to the police, that's the first thing they say, how can I resist? And you land on my fucking neck? And then and then in the same joke, and they be in your ass. Well, if you believe in the deterrence theory, Texas should have the least amount of murders

because they got the most amount of executions. And the last time I checked, Houston has just as turned up as any other city in America. Dallas fort Worth. You know, I got a lot of us older. Yeah, I don't think the death penalty is good because a lot of people. People haven't right to their opinion, my opinion. I didn't express my opinion, and man ain't nothing wrong with it. But I mean, damn, if it's a police officer, they ain't gonna kire. I don't just agree with I don't

just agree with police officers. The ability should work, right. I believe we have a big case going on right now, and the one the guy in Chino that the new governor just uh did an overturn or um. He started investigation for the people the guy that escaped from the jail and Chino heels and got out there and kill those people in their house and home and all of that needs started up a new investigation for that, because, like I said, as long as we do I do process.

You know, we sit in the pen aitention and we we we talk about white people and we say these motherfucker's ain't none of them no good. But the majority of these guys just getting out of jail getting sentences overturned. It's with the white people. The white people. You got some honest motherfucker's out there that that actually help you. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying.

And yeah, I mean, I know it's an old movie, but I watched The Hurricane and and Them People, a Hurricane Carter movie, and that movie was so like wow to me because if it wasn't for them and that little boy, he's still being in a prison right now in today. And that's crazy. They don't want to hear it, whether they know you're guilty or not. Well, I don't see anything wrong with life without parole for the most

you know, heinous killers. Plus the death penalty is very costly for the state of California because we have this long appeals process and it goes through all these different courts ends up costing far more money than it is just forever one big as prison underground and all those that's that's on depth on depth, that's on death row. Put them all in that prison, gim general prop and let them kill each other. Well that's just for that already like that, So now y'all ye for uh yeah,

for punishment, Yeah, it's all about punishment. It's not punishment. It might sound crazy. What I'm saying is and you know, you know one of them one of the hot talk on the subject that he wanted to talk about. Which one because he brought it up the subject where he said this let him go in and fight. You know. One of our homies that we grew up with. Both ain't say I was a Robertson that they used was the one that uh where they used to put him

in the hole and let him fight. Uh. The big one, the one that took the one that took the the case was his brother that we all really know that uh killed the boy and he wasn't did the time for it, took the cakes for anyway. He was the one that was in the newspapers back in the early two thousand. That was Smiley that was beating up everybody. Yeah,

when he was killing everybody. When they came came the jail and they had him, the officers used to bet on him fighting, then put him in in a like a little seal with him and then bet on him. That was one of the guys in. But he was a muster. He was a monster. He was a muster. You got a man in shake. I'm never going to see the streets and money nothing again. I ain't gonna never get no pussy, no nothing. So what do you knew? He made his situation great for him. Motherfucker's coming there.

He was raping the home. But then the flip side. Today Cash will come home and still act like their gamesters. Yeah you've just been raped. What years was this going on? It was a big old right up in the papers. Was that Corkora what one of those open right? No Smiley was doing he was. It was a big write up about it, opening eighty seven and he was. The guards was fighting. I mean they were betting on him. They will just put him in there within five guards

but charged from Cork. There were five cards that got charged on the case. Yeah, but I think they all got found not guilty. I didn't follow it that far. I don't know. But Smiley, but Smiley was from the mob. He grew about four or five houses away from James. Yeah, he shot up. He shot Sleepy because Sleepy came in

the house and said his brother, his own brother. You know what you keep saying that just because his brother from com out Sleepy o g. Yeah, he kind of got on that ship and he was working with him, you know. Rest in peace to Kenny and the robbers. They were crazy. That was a crazy family. I think Dalen and Walt and Sleepy is the last one. It's Kenny's Kenny that Kenny Kenny just got killed like five months ago. You're sitting in a chair button on the

side of the supermarket. All right, Well before we start our first topic, Um, you got shirts coming out soon, right, and this is the shirt that we talked about, I believe on like episode seven seven all right, with the photos in the back, And I guess, how how can people find out where they can get these shirts from

when you eventually get them printed? Where? Actually I was going to start doing that after I came back from my estragon and what I was gonna do is trying to hook up with Yarl and put our hands together, because I mean, it's not just me. And I had a conversation with my sister and I told her that I didn't want to sell the shirts, but she she told me why not? And uh, I should do that, Just do right with with with what you get off

of it. So I want to sell the shots, but I also want parts of that to go to outson's grandkids. His granddaughter just graduated. We just sent her Uh, a hundred bucks apiece, all of us, all of his seven outs and sibilers. We all son a hunting bucks to her for her graduation graduation. She lived in Washington and uh I couldn't make it because it her graduation was on this day and I had to be here, uh other obligations and and she was happy. But Alton also

has three sons that could could use the money. Our scary is artistic and his mama need help, you know, so I think, So this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna help. This is what we need to do. We gotta patreon as attached against the chronicles, and we're gonna also attach it to bomb first. And this is what we're gonna do. We got a whole bunch of pictures,

unseen pictures and footage, and we're gonna even post. I know somebod y'all makes think it's bad taste, but the family approved it, and so this is what we're gonna do. We're going to post the funeral services of Bounties. We had to the the Uh what my sister that I do mean to cut you off, but let me explain it. Uh, my sister thought it would be best for the people that was not there and that don't understand and didn't she and wanted to be if they could have been

there twenty years ago. They got they got a chance to see how big and how many people loved out. Yeah, and um, we got some unheard songs that were two versions. We got a song with with Ray Jason on the hook and that was a tribute song that was done by us. I think it was Crooked Eye and Eats Wood and some other people. Um, and then we got it with Danny Boyle on hook. We're gonna release stuff all of that by July fift on Bomb First Patriarch

and Against the Chronicles Patriarch Patreon counts. So we need all of you all to sign up on the Patreon counts so y'all can get all of this un underseen stuff about bountry. And we're gonna let that run for about a month or two and we're gonna ask new pictures,

unseen photos. We're gonna have some commentaries from James brothers, well not his brother, hopefully his brother will be involved, but if not, at least his sisters where we're gonna have them just um reminiscence on things about bountry and we're gonna put all of this on the patriars for for people to uh to view and so y'all can help and um, we can donate the funds generated from that to the to the families and to you know,

even to the siblings and to to his kids. So that's what we want to do for the next couple of months. So uh, let's do that, y'all. Let's get together as a group, and we're gonna do that for a bunch of family and then you know, after that goes and we get that pretty successful, we're gonna do that with a bunch of We're gonna do that with good permission from uh errand's Palmer's heron family and do it for him. And then you know, we'll take a vote and see who's the next person y'all want to

do it for. And we're gonna do that to help people out, you know. So there's no sense for us to be here and doing things. And a lot of y'all know want to help help people out, and so let's let's be here for a reason. Um, you know, we're doing this podcast a and we were not generating any funds we're just doing it to get information out and so we're gonna do something to hopefully benefit James and his family, and you know, eventually we'll do some stuff with UH that's close to Alonso, to Alex and

Heart and we'll go from there. Okay, So we posted the pictures of that shirt on the Instagram which is at Gangster Chronicles, and we talked in depth about that shirt. It was actually episode five, which was entitled what More Can You Take? So if you guys out there listening, go back to episode five if you want to hear in depth stories about the shirt that James has and the people on the back of that shirt, because I

thought it was an amazing shirt. The shirt was so dope that I wanted it to be a topic on that episode. And this is what I want to do as as my contribute for a little bit of money that comes in that I generate for the first fifteen people that signed up on the Patreon first fifteen people, and we're gonna started from the day. I know, we already got two people that signed up on it by boy b Dash and I don't know who the other

person is, Brandon. We're gonna donate I'm going to pay for the first fifteen shirts and we're gonna get those away, uh, for the first fifteen fifteen people that signed up on the Patreon and so let's get it go on, y'all. All right, Well, our first topic, I wanted to revisit a topic that we had already spoke about. We actually talked about the big Cast situation with him taking over the two pac masters. For those who are new to the podcast, we talked about big Casts in episode eight

entitled The g Code. That was a two part episode, So go back and listen to The g Code episode number eight. We talked in depth about Big Cast, and you can also go to bomb First and view it there. You go to boom First because Bomb First just put out the police report, the l A p D Police report, And that's why I wanted to revisit this because this is the first time I'm seeing this police report about the incident that Big Cast. I didn't want to do it.

I didn't want to do it. I'm trying not to be a police officer that y'all call, but y'all keep making the police the police years retired in nine, Okay, So so this was an incident that actually happened. UM's two thousand one, is that right, November six two one. Yeah, that that big cast keeps on talking about in all these interviews where he went up to death Row with him and two other people and put hands on you.

I guess he said he put hands on sugar and then at the end of the day left there with masters. And then he said that there was apparently a shooting where the police came or there was some holes in the glass, and one of the interviews he said he said there wasn't really a shooting. Someone through some stuff at the glass and not for those of the others subscribed to first y'all and heard me tell the story a million million times. There was a time when me Buntry,

Bob mob Gotti and all. Then we went to Damon Thomas House and uh, one of I think it was Limp and Buntry or now Avuntry was with me, but somebody else jumped in the back seat in the backyard and they knocked on the back window of U of Damon Thomas House and scared the ship out of them in there and Big Poppy and all of them, and then they was and then we went through the front and we just took over the house. That's the time he's talking about that. I tell you, he keeps claiming

stuff and talking about stuff. Daddy hearing about that. He don't want to have any involvement with it. I've seen you showed this bomb first, and if people see this right here, you have to stop talking. So got to stop speaking on this. This is crazy. Okay, Well, let me just briefly go over this. The police report does not have Caz's name in it at all as one of the guys that came. And that was my only point. And I'm not trying to disrespect Popsy or or well

this is already it's already online. I'm not trying to disrespect them by putting it out. But I just had to show that he wasn't one of the ones that that was there on the incident that he keeps speaking on. Well, it says here the victim and the witness our bodyguards for witness to which is Damon Thomas, who was the record producer that was married to Kim Kardashia. The victim and the witness one escored witness to to a meeting

located at the recording studio that was really canawn. He called the death row, but it was because he got The victim and the witness one are denied access to the studio by the location security officer Suspect TO, which would be who read right, and an altercation issues and the victim is physically held down on the ground by Suspect TO and numerous recording studio employees. Suspect one approaches and states to the victim, you want to come to

my studio and be uncooperative. The victim continues to be held down, and Suspect one proceeds to punch the victim about the face and body. Suspect one then retrieves a handgun for form. It says form, but it's just say from one of his bodyguards, and proceeds to pistol whip the victim twice in the face, causing him to lose consciousness. Now this is now apparently the who big hats are talking about. Yeah, what this is is after he got arrested,

you got the victims report, you got body body. After he got out of jail, winn and filed the police report against Sugar myself, naming us as suspects to try to get us arrested. Is what you're reading from. Now, that's the report where he claimed to be a victim. This would be Dwayne Boudy b A U. D Y. Yeah, they from from from Sex and his name is his name is here as victim, well the victim and in parentheses because he went and filed the police report after

he got out. And look, well I'm a little confused. What what did Boudy and the other witness he came with a guy named Springer? What did they want? They were just coming with with Damon and they were trying to push their way and I told him to sit down. Only Damon can go on the back, and he was trying to you know, he thought it was just me, and so he was un forced his way, and you know, I thought I had to show him who I was. And then by that time people heard the commotion and

some of the other homies came from the back. And Okay, I got a question because there's one date on here of November six, two tho one. I'm trying to explain to you that he filed a police port after he got out of jail. But but then it says there's this date of June third, two thousand two. Now, which was Sugar still in prison in two thousand. June third incident is the one where he's talking about where, uh when we went to the house. That's what he said.

When they they were he said we didn't let him in because he was mad because of the incident that happened at Damon Thomas house in June third. Sugar was already out by two thousand one. Shouldn't then get out intil August the third, two thousand one? Okay, this is November six, was actually here that day? Well, I forget what I said in the police reports. I don't want to say. I'm pretty sure wasn't there here. Can't you say he knocked you and Sugar was not because that

nigga wasn't there. He just making up ship. He didn't heard street legend ship. But if y'all read the rest report, go to the next report. Yes, since here that witness one stated that both suspects had arrived at the location with a record producer, which is Damon for an appointment he had with Sugar Knight. Yeah that's me. Now, that's that's the rest report, And somehow Big Cast has inserted

himself into this. That's the whole point of all of us. Okay, I got a question, why would do come and try to have you and Sugar arrested if she wasn't there? Why would he implicate Sugar and this ship? Well, ship, ship was probably there. How ship goddamn y'all, some incriminating motherfucker's were trying to do. I mean, okay, all right, that's what I'm saying. Chilled was on parole two months out, So people say, well, Reggy, why would you put him in jail? You well, number one, that was my job.

But number two, shild was two months out, but gain nothing happened to shoot. Now after this ship, this ship, I don't worried about me. I don't got sued. I don't want the court and testified any Yeah, they sued me for that. That boy half his body's claiming his paralyzed so he get paid which guy which didn't get paid, but he got a judgment for a hundred sixty which is which is the guy that's claiming he got it severely injured body body? Okay, Well this incident was November six,

two thousand one. For all of those who want to know what big Cats is talking about. But apparently Big Cats wasn't there at at least according to this police report exactly. Um, this has nothing to do with Big Cats. Was there any discussion that this day about masters and we want music? Were they trying to bully themselves into the to the they were? They were trying to do their job be with there there they were trying to show their boy Damon Towns that they bought about it.

We're big, big bad security guards were going with you. Damon, you ain't going back there by yourself. Damon, they get they get bullied on by them. We were you. We getting paid to protect you. And you know that was one of the coldest things when I heard it. Death Row wasn't regular people working there. That's what I try to tell people what I'm saying, And I'm trying to explain that you you ain't going up against fifteen cats.

When I heard it, I was like, hell, no, all of these guys I know personally, So you ain't went up against no fifth team motherfucker's to beat them and and then came back and then basket. But now that we got a date James November six two one where you were around at that time of the six his brother was there though. Yeah, so by that, by by November two thousand one, you wasn't messing. I was still working with him, But wouldn't working with him like that?

I was, I was around, But I know for a fact you ain't walking up in there and beat up the whole goddamn studio and then woke up. Wouldn't just take some masters, that is impossible, But not carding a big can well, well, anybody that's in the studio, damn well that ain't that ain'tven just happened. And that's the only reason for exposing this guy. Come on, yeah, that's the only reason this because this brother kept talk He's

been talking about it for a year. I've been ignoring it, and he talked about it this one too any time for not a I said that wasn't true? Is him knocking out Reggie? And should I know? Reggie got his weapon on him, So you ain't been hit me and I don't shoot you. Well, according to this police report, the guys that Damon Thomas brought up there end up getting beat up. They became vic report, they became victims.

And for anyone that's interested in this report, they can go to bomb first and you can get a direct download to it. Can't do it from your phone, but you can do it from your computer. Yeah, you're gonna have to do it from a laptop or a desktop for all you ancient folks out there. And you can also get a copy of his bank rust support, which

that's not a big thing. The only reason the bank rust support is is an issue because I know people got loopholes and reasons for filing bankruptcy and so I'm not trying to shoot on nobody finances is because he always claiming that he owns all the different people masters, and and we know if you own all these people masters, you have to declare either the income from the masters are declared the asset of something that you supposedly all some just exposing the brother as they lie. Let me

just read this last part. It says here witness one retired Compton p D stated that he had used force um two suspects trying to force their way inside towards the rear of the business. About about it, hunt, Reggie, you put it out there, that's verybody to check out. To look at fat fifty three year old Reggie not slee year old and on a previous episode, apparently you told the story of holding your own with neckbone, which ain't no joke, right. I mean, I'm not trying to

brag on that. But you had a partner though, and he wasn't trying to fight Reggie. He's trying to get away. It's a big difference from a brother that's fighting you, squaring up against you, versus just trying to get away. That's a big difference. That's all. That's all neck Bone was doing. I was just trying to tell you how strong the brother was and how very you your stories about how hardy swings, Yeah, when he fight, how hard

he swings. Neckbro was could have been all pro and football, Yeah, athlete. I mean, you can look at this body. You can tell the way you shape that. If you go go through his ship and look at him, a lot of people would would say, I'm not finished with him. Fight. But you've got a lot of guys out there and it's like that, you know, a million of Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean, just don't every hood got a Mike Tyson, every hood got a debo. All right, let's go, um, We're done with the bad

big cast situation. I don't know if we're gonna ever revisit that, but I think we're much done on it. I think we need I'm sure he's going to eventually surface his head up and I want to talk. But when he does, we'll deal with it then. So I'm not gonna never say never. Yeah, unless he said something and we knew about it. But for everyone who wants to, I have no disrespect. I have none but respect for the sixty cripts, whover crypts, anybody crypts. I don't disrespect anybody.

Understand this at six It was just something that some people will take it that one ain't got nothing to do with gangs, crip, blood piru. It was just he came up there, or he claimed he came up there, and it turned out these other two dudes were involved in it. But sure it wasn't him exactly. Is this show that he's a liar and if he want to be one of them? Okay, maybe you know it was lying to us, but that person was six ninety pounds

and I don't think casts a six one. Yeah, well, according to his police report, you do not want to be one of these two guys, because you got pistol with you might have lost some tea. Alright. The next topic I want to talk about is my main man, O J. Simpsons, fellow trojan. He went to usc UM, but he's on social media now and he's doing not just like posts, he's doing videos. What is this purpose? Well, he did say he had some get back to do. I gotta get back at some people, very vague and

and and on one of them. Ron Goldman has been taking shots at him though it don't matter. And if and if he's innocent, If he's innocent as he portrayed, you get tired of getting shots taken at you. Absolutely he's in this and he got found not guilty on that, then he got the right to respond. Then if you believe that responding, you haven't been through too much. You didn't just got out of jail in Las Vegas, which they only liked your ass up because you be Yeah

they job. Yeah, he went to jailing Nevada for killing Nicole And yeah, that's what that was about. All that was so you get out of jail after nine? Are you doing nine? Nine? Yeah? When he was saying to nine he did, he just sencety but but they what you called him was different than are a little different. So you get out of jail, O j after you just did this time, don't you? Don't you think these white people had enough of you. You should be tired,

you should be somewhere sick. They're gonna put a case on him, on this guy black man, and relax made it out of there live. I understand, because i'd have been falsely a killed in his seventies. Though, sit down, your fight is over. You just gave him motherfucker's seven years. Well, technically his fights never over because he's still he lost a civil suit for thirty million dollars thirty three million dollars, so he's got to keep on navigating his finances in

a way. He can't live a month and all you want to do is play golf, then something's wrong. But even other things. I'm sure he's used to a certain lifestyle. Well he shouldn't be. He just got a prison for yeah, yeah, you got yeahn get your new news like you've been doing, programmed like you've been programming and and and just disappeared from these people. I wouldn't even have a phone. I wouldn't even sit here no, you can't have a picture. This is how, this is how. I just want to

be left alone. I want to spend the rest of my days with my han me, my kids, my grandkids, and just relax. O. J. Simpson, get you a goddamn rocking chair and stop. These white people ain't playing with you and you know it, so stop doing all this over funny as ship. You're too old to be on my Twitter or tweeting and doing whatever. Ship, Yeah, stop whatever that. And then he just and he having a ball with it. Man, ship back. Don't nobody owe you ship, like you said a long time ago, and you don't

know nobody else. Ship. You too old for this ship. You're gonna next name. You know you're gonna be sitting over there with Bill Cosby talking about why stop this ship? You see, they have to get you. This ship ain't never dirty and Nevada because all it was he was trying to retreat stuff. But he took a gun or when his dudes had a gun and he took the wrong motherfucker's that put him in Friston. Yeah, they all told on him. And then Nevada has a weird way

of defining kidnapping. If I don't let you go off that Door's California too, I'm kidnapping. You have to move the person from room to room. But in Nevada, you got to prevent something from moving. Now we just got to moving in California, got a movie. In Nevada, I gotta prevent you from moving, and that's kidnapping. So that's why he got stretched out in Nevada, where they had to give him something they would. I think that Jazz finally said on TMZ that's why she got hire. I

think she retired. And I think because you just got away with two murders. He just beat two murders. He's to luck at his black man on the planet. Yeah, now if he if he did it, if you didn't even beating the case, beat a people. But when you leave that food close call, that's the rest of your life in the penitentiary. You just didged a hell of a bullet. Now, as a black man, go shit down somewhere, find a resort, go chill. No, he's springing up in

Vegas and he walking the holes like he gangster. Now they're gonna pay your ass, They're gonna check you now, So I whldn't have walking out of that. Well, the one good thing from Twitter come out there. I think he's finally said cold, he's not his daughter and he never had sex with with Chris Jenner. Oh yeah, I guess so when I mentioned last time when we had Spider Locus, to guess that there were three people in that courtroom that o J had sexual relations with. But

he's saying he never mess that's what he said. But then I heard the time when he said they did it in uh in asana and when um Jacuzzi when they got a little drunk. So you know who's really mad at o J for being on social media? I heard this person speak out a couple of days ago, specifically, Yeah, she's like anything what she said because that's what she believed.

But look, she just started a new podcast. She's in the same category as us, and her podcast shot all the way up to number two and she only did three episodes because the name of it is confronting o J. Simpson and everybody. That's the subject everybody want to hear. Yeah, so I'm quite sure what after that though, when you try to talking about o J, she can be crying about her brother. Well, I mean, he put her ship. She was asked, and she was asked the other day,

would you have o J on your podcast? You know what? The answer was, yes, Yeah, she said she wants to ask him a bunch of questions because she's about she's about money, she's about some other ship. She I mean, I would I wouldn't do that as he just the agitator, Oh Jay trying to fuck her like come here, girl, you do kind of flipper. It's real serious to me because we lose every day. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

We lose every day out here, and for for o J to win, it makes everybody look bad that that that was cheering for him and was happy that he beat this case, for him to get out there, and constantly I wonder if we would support him like we did then, because you know, you gotta remember why we supported him so tough, because o J always considered himself like tiger. Yeah. And so the reason we supported him though, because it just happened after one the riots, and and yeah,

was the perfect time. The climate of Los Angeles was perfect trial. But I'm looking at you know a lot of people will be offended that we're over here laughing, you know, because two people were murdered. But like you said, we lose people all the time, you know, we we we're laughing at the situation. We're laughing at O J. N and want to make a light up And thought, my interviewer, I really think it is a is A is a touching matter and and I mean we can't

take light of it because of O. J. Simpson. Look what he're doing. Come on, man, how many times you think you're gonna win? How many times you are you winning to lose? Just to fucking play with these people? And and and this motherfucker's out there fighting every day murder cases, and and and lose this dude one to murder cases when he had everybody against him. And then you get out here and just run a mark. You you you funked up in Vegas. Now you're out of

here on this on TV. You two motherfucking old making a show an example to us. Uh speak on something that that happened in there. Let us know some positive ship. You ain't giving us that you should not here making your ship look stupid. And then the next motherfucker, yeah he does look very silly videos, but it's it's some hell of entertainment though. I mean, I many subscribers followers.

That's our problem. We laughing ship that shouldn't be. We shouldn't laugh at because it makes all of us look fucked up, every black man and every black motherfucker walking out there looking at him, and I think it's funny. No, it's not funny. It's sad that this dude is out of here like that. We don't win every day like heat doing it. We can't. O Man. O J is always gonna be news regardless. You know, the Trial of the Century and he was the center of it. Old news.

Let us stay old news. It's it's kind of difficult when you got Kim Goldman that just came out with a brand new podcast called Confronting o J in two thousand nineteen. Confront you know J. If you don't never get o J on their responding and none of this ship. What do she have she has? She has a really nice title of a podcast. I mean, let's change your trust me. They reach out J O J will happen crazy as up there now, They're gonna have to pay o J to come on there. They probably got to

pay him like a hundred thousand. Well, let's change your name from against chronicles or something. And you think Twitter is going to put the blue check next to his Twitter handle to show that he's the real o J. Because his handle is the real o J thirty two and he's got seven hundred and fifty thousand followers in what a week. He's about to hit a million in a few days, and um, yeah, I wonder if Twitter is gonna give him the blue the blue mark that says this is the real o J page. And he

also wanted to address that too. He said, Look, there's a lot of fact o J pages on Twitter. That's another reason why he said he went on. He's like, look, there's people pretending that that they're mad and posting stuff out there and that's not me. So that's kind of legitimate to say, hey, we'll still you could you could make a page and you don't have to do all that ship you're doing on that And then have you see his picture? This is what we live in. People

be like, my wife could make me. You're fifty something years old, Why are you on YouTube all the time? Why are you doing that? Like this is the age week now, so we don't know what what a sixty or seventy year old man supposed to be doing that. That looks good for his seventies though. Yeah, well j well, prison they say, preserve your life. But um uh, you know, just like Donald Trump, he's on Twitter. Have we ever had a president that tweeked this much? I mean, I'm

just saying, we don't know. I don't follow him. I don't I don't do that. Dude, you didn't do YouTube? Tell you year ago? Now you one of the biggest niggers on YouTube. Well he's seventy one years old, and I think he looked all right for seventy one. I mean, you know, we're gon, we're all going age. But I just think you need to slow down. And I think people that's on his page should should hit him telling I don't see this is not you's your biggest or best memory of that time when he was on trial?

Any any stories because this is also the death Row days. If it don't fit you much when this trial was going on. If it don't fit well, that was which his name is, mistake, Um, Christopher Darden. The thing is that here's the thing. They say that some of those the gloves kind of shrink a little bit. When they've been soaking in blood for a while, they don't maintain its size. So to have O J try on a

glove that possibly shrank was a huge mistake. And plus I think OJ had to wear a latex glove underneath it, so he's got a layer of glove because it's considered evident. And heaggerated and he acting. He did a little acting in front of the jury, and I think that might have turned the trial. Trial was the racist statement that people were anti law enforcement, like you said, we just had the I as we had just had the Rodney King incident, and people just wouldn't We wasn't tolerating um.

And for those that are too, you don't remember. Mark Ferman went on the stand. He was asked, have you ever used the word nigger in your career? And he said never? And then I think eff Lee Bailey was was crossing him and he said are you sure have you ever said the word nigger in any context? He said never, and then boom, they had all these audio taping them saying niggatives, niggadid LPD we they you know. Darrel Gates was Darrell Gates tolerated a lot of things

from the the white officers back in the day. And you know, I heard that Wilsher Division, Wilshr Division is one of eight Well back then it was eighteen l APD divisions. Now it's twenty one. But they used to call Wilsher Division the other cops, the white cops called Wilsher Division Nigger Division because when you got out of the academy as a black cop, you wanted to be with other black cops, right, So they would say, Hey, assignment to Wilsher because I know some black cops there

that I could go too. So eventually every black cop out of the academy wanted to get assigned to Wilshire Division. So all the white cops started calling Wilshire Division Nigga Division. Well, they must have a black captain or something over that. Yeah, I mean, it's just where because I thought they would have went southeast seventies seven. And it also comes from um from the dude, frank Liga. Frank was one of

those guys that was calling. From what I understand from some of my retired contacts, this is coming from retired black l APD officers that I personally know that frank Liga was one of those that, Yeah, that's nigga division. You know. Well, I mean when you have a ten thousand and twelve thousand law enforcement officers and majority of them are are white, Um, you're gonna have that type

of thinking, aspecially when they were up and manage. You shouldn't have that type of anything, but you have it right here at this radio station that we're sitting there now when you have a you know what, a majority of white people, and it showed you what what this? What this the polling and stuff with Donald Trump? When when when when people were older acts you're gonna vote with Donald Trump? They said no, no, no, But once they got in no boots, Polly both officer that you know,

that's a good officer that he was job good. Yeah, just one officer that was good at his job, Mark Mark Anderson. Um, just Bobby Now if he was a KKK and you knew he was a classman, but you know he just worked as good with your him as a police officer. If I know that he was fair and then beat over with people and with a hiring knowing he was a KKK. Remember, you gotta hesitate on that one. I mean because we said two things. He said that he's doing his job and he's fair doing

his job. He's a good work acting, but you know he's a KATEKK. Would you hire him? But he has a good work and he was fair, just because you don't know what I believe, what I feel like, I don't, but I'm just saying about doing your job. If you said just saying a person do their job, they fair, that's a big, big statement that you're saying that he's fair that I worked with and he was and he does his job, and but when he goes home he's this way. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

That's just like saying, would you this this guy is good, but when he goes home he sleeping with man. I don't give a funk what he does when he go home. You have a sexual preference. Is way different from being a part of the clue, klux, Klan or religious. I mean some people will say that's their realist. I don't know. He said the word fair, and that's what kind of through the word because you have to think in your subconscious Okay, I know he's a good man, but goddamn,

he's a KKK that goes against everything. A police officer should be he should not have this type of mentality. What's can you be fair? And b k K came no, no, but treat questions. Okay, alright, no you can't. I don't know. You got white things. A lot of closet race, racism, racist people that we deal with daily, and the police department as well. I think everywhere, I think everywhere, I think in life, and lap D has a long lineage of hiring Southern white racist cops. Well, now they're doing

their worse. Guess what they hearing? That's racist? The biggest ain't more racist. I fear no Mexicans more than white folks. That's actually deep. Well, I think the way I think the concept, it's because you're in more you're in contact with Mexicans. Maybe that's why. But I fear white institutional racism more than Mexican racism more than I fear white Mexican That's crazy, because they were Uncle Tom will hurt you quicker than than anybody. That's true. Yeah, absolutely, look

at Clarence Thomas. He is dangerous. But um, what are some memories from from that that period of the O. J. Simpson trial that stand out? Because y'all was making hit records while O J was fighting for his life. That was right before pop came because I think the trial he was acquitted in October. Yeah, so he sat and he sat in high power for one year from ninety four to ninety five, was going through uh snoop, I

think his case was over. No, No, his case went over until six sometime in ninety Okay, sometime in ninety six is when you got to quit it. And do you remember he was being prosecuted by Bobby Grace, a black prosecutor. Yeah, I didn't remember. He's a he's a good guy. Bobby Grace is interesting prosecutor. He actually told me he is he is against the death penalty as a person, but if his boss is tell him you

got to prosecute it, he's gonna do it. Yeah, it is because I kind of thought that you wouldn't want to be a prosecutor. I wouldn't if I'm against that, Why would I do it? Just because? And he's been public about that. He would publicly say I'm against the death penalty, but if i'm I'm gonna do it, which is you know, but he's he's actually one of my favorite prosecutors. Bobby Grace, he prosecuted because what's the word. He's fair. He's very fair, and that's what's that's what

he don't come in there with all the theatrics. He doesn't, you know, give you a lot of over the top. So I've done a lot of trial watching. I've seen him do his job, and I think he's a fair prosecutor. Although I did think the case against Snoop was a little over the top. I kind of knew that was gonna go because the dude, I knew that they were going to argue that there was a self defense. You know. In fact, Bobby Grace ten years later prosecuted another He

messed a big time on the trial, Bobby Gray. He baked his whole thing into the rebuttal. And what David Kinner and then did was they didn't put on any defense. They rest the case, no witnesses anything, right right after they let the prosecute put on the case and he was gonna put most of himself in the rebuttal and they rest. So all he did was just cross examined,

and that was the case. What was interesting, Bobby Grace actually prosecuted another case that I watched it was a guy that got shot at the Beverly Center and it was almost identical to the Snoop Dog case. And I was sitting there watching this and I'm like, they're gonna come back not guilty. And they came back not guilty like that case. Even though it's not his high profile, it was a mirror. It was very similar to Snoop DOGG.

Same prosecutors, same defense. Uh, this guy got shot in the Beverley Center and he got shot in the back as as the victim and snoopcase was shot in the back. This guy was shot in and uh, Philip Walder mar and this guy was shot in the back. The guy I'm talking about as a rapper named Dollar, Roderick Burton. He was an up and coming from Atta, and they charged they followed him from Atlanta. That was all. They charged. A guy named Aubrey Berry who was also from Atlanta.

They put it like the followed There were so many rumors out there, but in the trial they showed that actually Aubrey Berry came out here for a meeting because he was a club promoter, and Roderick Burton Dollar came out here to work on his music and he came out here for a birthday just by coincidence. They both flew to Los Angeles from from Georgia, and they both crossed paths at the same rest of run at the same time. It was a bizarre case, but it reminds me a lot of the Snoop Doggs case. But he

was found not guilty. But yeah, what about the whole O. J. Simpson trial. What do you guys remember from that? From that time? I really I'm not guilty. For me, I'm not guilty. Man. It was a good thing too, because I just knew they was filmed. Man, he just killed what two white people? They're not gonna let him off this so allegedly, and uh, look how he looked at me, So I figured he don't. But when he came back not guilty, Johnny Cochrane was my hero. This is one

cold mom right here. But then, uh, if it don't fit you much, to quit was my second Other than that, you know, Okay, he got lucky. We won't hear from him no more. And the slow speed uh chase, That's what I remember, the chase and the silicide letter. Also, they had a fair judge. Judge lance Itto is considered one of the most fair judges in that courthouse. And you know he did. But he did his job. When the cameras in, you you'd be a little fair too, Yeah, I mean you have to be. Yeah, And like they

wanted to let in he had another high profile. He kept some of those tapes out that Mark Ferman was saying all these things, but he said, I gotta let some in. You know, we'll we'll exclude something, but I'll let a couple in. But yeah, Lance, Lance Itto is a very fair judge and I think that also worked to O. J. Simpsons advantage. What stood out to me in that trial, you know the supervisor on that uh, on the d A that was like Marcia Clark and then boss you gotta had the heart attack? Uh what's

his name? Just he's the one the prosecutor ship after that case. Okay, So I just recovered and came back. He prosecuted him on the paroviolation. Okay. Yeah, In fact, I do remember seeing him in that footage. Yeah. What I was gonna say is what stood out to me. I remember Efflee Bailey was cross examining someone on the stand and he showed that there were two sets of footprints in the blood there, and I always found that interesting because there's not a lot of talk about it.

They've all admitted or confirmed that, Yeah, there are two sets of footprints. One set is the Brunomalley shoes that apparently o J owned, but another set of footprints was in there. And Effley barely kept on saying, explained to me how these footprints are in there, and they couldn't explain it to him. So that just means two people were there, you know. And and it doesn't mean o

J was there, and most people don't know that. It was the rumor and is that she owed it some drugs, some drug dealers, some money and that's why they did their hit on her. Yeah, I mean that was the it. I mean he was mad because you know the way she dissed him at the at the at the the recital and with the family. Okay, so I am taking care of his white taking up for this white woman. God never, you can't keep beating my ass and I

was supposed to accept that ship. You're doing me bad when my people were asking questions and you constantly hurt me in front of my kids. At some point, fuck you would woo let me ask you this. It was a man his age. I think he was in his mid to late forties with lower back problems, capable of that type of the next day golf is different from I'm about to stab two people to death and one might be fighting for his life. Right she was, She's

probably not an issue. But ron Goldman was a young, fresh, strong dude. They said he had a lot of um damage to his like, he had defense moves, He had a lot of defense wounds. So what I mean he was fighting for his life. But if he had that much defense wounds, wouldn't that some hope scratch has been on o J. A lot of scratches should have been on o J. And o j's DNA should have been under his finger. Now they have a couple of drops

of blood well in the sink. Yeah, well I'll be I'll be shaving myself all the time and be saying blood. I'll be like, oh, man, I hope that now the ship. Do you agree that there should be o J's DNA on Ronald Goldman's body somewhere but that was never found. Yeah, I mean, you know, we we we recast. I don't want to convicted old J. I said, I didn't convict him at all. What you're doing and ship your old last down. I'll tell you another interesting thing about the trial.

It was it was aired on Channel five kt L A Marta Waller, a b C s even you know. But they were doing it live every day every day. That's when that Channel five had it from Gavel to Gavel yea like no other channels. But they had to take commercial break. And I was reading this in a book called O. J. Simpsons Sat on Facts and Fictions by Darnell Hunt. He examined the trial and how it was aired. They would often take their commercial breaks when

the defense was presenting their case. So if you watch this trial on TV, you got a biased look at the trial. Even though you think you saw everything in the trial, those commercial breaks were when Johnny or fth Lee Bailey or the DNA guy Barry Scheck was doing their thing. So even if you claim you watched it, you didn't really see everything because of the commercial fine tic that was sitting behind Johnny all the time, Sean what was her name, she's a big time attorney. Now

it's a little cute thing. Yeah, remember his like little assistant junior trial. But she's big now. She she got her name was Sean something. I don't I don't remember anyone. Her and Carl Carl, Carl Douglas were the little youngster. Douglas, that's my main man right there. He's powerful now. He took a case. He took a case of a big yo. I captured the l A p D shooting and killing a guy on Crenshaw and Slosson back in two thousand

and eight. I captured the whole thing on video. He took that case for the family of the victim um and it was a huge civil case, fifteen million dollar case, and it's one of the few cases that Carl Douglas has lost and lost it. It was an amazing kid. That actually brought me into the the trial because because that's the auten to kick the video and it was

really crazy. I came in to testify. They had been this case has been going through the system for over a year, maybe two years, and Carl Douglas got me up there, understand, to explain what happened. He's asked me first, he's asking my credentials. He actually told me, you're the best eyewitness I've ever had. Because I went to school, and I got these degrees and I'm working on this and I'm doing that. He said, you're the perfect eye

witness that you wanted for a civil case. I get up there and I'm testifying, and he's asking me about what did I see? And I said, I saw the cops shoot how many times? Like over times? Anti police came through to the jury. They I didn't even I was only did authenticate the video. But as um as he's asking me about what I saw and how many bullets were shot and what I know, how I saw him on the ground, actually got emotional, understand, completely unexpected.

I was like, give me a minute, man, because I actually witnesses do die. I videotaped his last breath and he asked me to relive this. Never got emotional about it at all until he's asking me these questions on the stand. And I'm going back thinking, does kral Douglas know the trigger questions? Because I think he wanted me to do that. I think I think he pulled that out of me in some kind of clever way that attorneys, you know, dig deep into the bag. And the way

he lost the cases in civil court. You don't need unanimous you don't need all twelve jurors to say yes or no. You only need a nine nine out of twelve, nine out. So what happened? They came back six six. They were split. Six said the cops are wrong. Six said the cops were right. So the judge told him to go back there and continue deliberating. So the six that said the cops are right, we're able to get three of the other six that said the cops are wrong to go on their side. Came back nine three.

Carl Douglas loses. The city of Los Angeles wins. You've been watching this video. Hey, I didn't get to see the whole trial. I just came in there, authenticated the video and left, so I didn't see all the other witnesses, all the evidence. But hey, for six jurors to say the cops are wrong, they were kind of feeling Carl Douglas. But hey, one of the few cases that he rarely loses the case, and he won't take a case unless he feels like he's gonna win. He won a big one.

He won four billion dollar case. Four guess four behind some family catching on fire on one of the cars. Yeah, they were Ethiopian or African and the card on fire, the card from from the crash four billion dollars. All right, let's just cover one more thing before. I don't know, I'm sure they settled for cheaper because I'm sure they appealed. All right, last thing, um red. Just as a question

that comes and I think it's really interesting. What can you talk about the day to day operations at death Row when you took over, when you became this guess after Sugar got violated, and were you involved with signing artists and who else ran the label? All right, um, there the operations were wake up in the morning, you pull up at Samvasanth and Wilsha every day. I mean I went there, but I didn't do it in the morning. I had Shook happened, just like everybody did. I did

most of my stuff on the phone. I got to the office about three four every day, but you know, I was on the phone because she was calling. He was calling me like I used to sit on the phone with Shook from probably about through nine. But luckily it was going to the office. But yeah, it was crazy back then. From nine to twelve, we're calling everybody, many his women. And then from twelve and one he went to lunch, so that's when I start getting dressed.

Then they I think they did a count about two or something and and and then um, I think until four. So I got on the phone. So between that time, I was usually traveling, uh traveling because I live in Corona and Riverside, California, and I was driving. Well my boy got he was driving me, thank god, you know. He was helping me out a lot with that. And so Bobby would come and pick me up and drive me to work and we will get there about four o'clock. And and so that was the day to day operations.

But Thursday through Sunday I was up at the prison with him, dealing with him and um mill Creek and uh see him I which was the one who things was in baseball for the first couple of years. From see m C sm C, I was that somebody big? Is that SEMC right now? They called them MC the China doll, right, I think it's China doll. Well, it's so important for you to see sugar so many times and win prison was just talking mainly talking about what's

going on, how to deal with stuff. Did you have a feeling that this label was about to sink it. Didn't think that's the That's the thing. During my tenure, we sold DA's album, DA's Retaliation Get Back. We had two soundtracks, Gang Related and Gridlocked. All of these are albums that went platinum. We did until the end of time. But those were deals already in the that would already made before Sugar went to prison, right because Gang Related. Yeah, I mean deals were made, but they had to be

completed and the album had to be distributed and worked. Um. But in terms of getting new artists, don't get the artists, don't get to that. Keeping artists, we uh negotiated the y'all. Don't y'all get mad when I say sale. But the assignment of Snoop contract to to priority a masterp uh. That got us four and a half million dollars and the override was instrumental and that um we made an override. That's why we call it the last meal, or he

called it the last minute. Wouldn't have been better to keep keep Snoop as one of the marquee artists, I don't think so. Why not? He didn't want to be there? One and number two we made seven percent, seven to ten percent off of each album that he did with No No Limit got four and a half million dollars. Gave him a million dollars of that, and they say we owe you any more money and the books are clean with you. But you could have made way more money if he was happy at Death Row making two, three,

four more. But but but Snoop didn't have a great run. He didn't have a great run. I mean, think about the albums that he did after he left us. Uh, he didn't start doing real good until Bitch Police would exhibit he did. Said like I said, we still had an override on him. So you know the Snoop thing, um uh. The only albums that did bad under my watch or whatever. In my opinion, Mr Lay's album and the Lady of Rage album I always wanted to gang related.

I mean, death Row greatest hits did overtend to twelve me and uh album sales, which which wouldn't have happened if it wasn't with me because she was pissed that I allowed track masters to do that that song, um uh, that remix that he did on the album of Changes. Are you a better businessman when it came to Death Row than Sugar? Business wise? I think so because I was easier, easier to deal with and and and um it was more precise, but creatively and and and marketing.

I don't I think she is still one of the best of that James, what did you want to ask? Reggie? My question is transitioning from the police station the death row. Wasn't that ship hard man? I gotta get to this, I gotta do this. I got you really had to be on your toes. And then on top of that, sugar and trusted you with were just big as company while he was gone. The good thing I was, but

I still was able to communicate. It wasn't like he was just gone, I know, but I was still able to communicate with him, and and that that would be my problem, being nervous of feeling Did you ever feel like you was gonna you weren't gonna be able to do this ship? I think my confidence was there, and I had been around him for two years every day before he went to jail. You remember from you pretty much picked up. I was with that nigger, traveling, going

to meeting. He used to let us go on meetings with him. You know, he didn't keep us outside, He didn't bring you in. You know he was, so he was in there, said when he was meeting with with Ted Fields or Jimmy Ivan or Anchar Broflan or those types of people you know, uh uh the guy from Time Warner, you know, he would bring you know, Lee or Corn and Russell Simon. He would pretty much have you in no meetings with him. So when he when he went to prison, you was pretty much like the

again already and didn't have to that part. But mainly I still had him to lean on. I still say, hey, this is what's going on. How would you do? You know? I mainly would do it on the phone when we're talking. How would you deal with this situation? Man? I came up with this situation because you know, you're not allowed to run a business California, stay low while while you're

in prison. You're not allowed to run a business. And so I would say, well, you know, how would how would you have at this situation if he was you know, if you had to deal with that. To be honest, Ship didn't really care. I'll be caring about because that was the problem I had. I was dealing with his personal life and his business deal mainly most of the problems came was from his women and his and his and not his parents, his mama, you know, his mother.

And they were they were like, well, she'll, I want to do this. I want to do that, and then I want this, I need this, I need a new car, I need this, I need this, or his sisters need this or or whatever, and then I will go to ship. Okay, Mims called about this and no answer. Well, she'll, you must ain't telling Shi that, uh, I said, and too you know you look yeah, And he was mad. He was an angry man in prison. She was a hater. I mean, our boy did we talk about all day Bountry.

I can tell you all some stories of the things that I then did to say, shed, I need to do this, dog, I need that, and then we'll be like and they didn't find out I did it, and then they'd be like, oh, I'm glad you did it. Rich. Well. Another part of this question is asking did you sign any new artists? Crooked Eye? Uh, the rillists, Top doll Um, Uh, Top doll the Rillists, Crooked Eye, who was all going on? And pretty much anybody that was on Chronic two thousand.

Her cobain Um gave him a lot more responsibility as a producer, made Das gave Das more of a role. Um as a producer. Did they all come out with albums? Uh? After different type of compilations. We had one call um. Well, of course all the Tupac stuff, you know, we remade and I said they all lost the Laws. Wasn't signed to the record company, uh uh, because they were going to sign straight to Tupac to to his record label.

Minus one member well fatal, yeah, yeah, fatal. Uh. He got sent home by Pop prior to uh um, you know, to to Parc. Dan was after Pop. I said he had got something. That's why he wasn't out there. So it was the outlaw still trying to do their thing with one one less member. Well, they got another one. That's when Noble came in. That's when Noble came around. So it was four of them. So how did how did the company do financially with these new artists that

you signed? New groups artists we were and that's why I was trying to explain. Um, you know the Chronic two thousand one. If you go listen to that album, that was a good album and they all went platinum. It wasn't the numbers the death row was used to. But we didn't have the overhead that death row was used to as well. You didn't have people living in in fifty tho dollars a month condo condos on Worlshire. You didn't have people riding around the Rose roy Since

and five sales and and all of that. You cut all that out. All of that was cut out. And that's why Reggie was the bad guy because Reggie still riding around in a six. Everybody know who told Regie you got to keep your card up. I would have my own ship. I ain't never had nothing under death row. Everything was under Reggie right or or red. Ship that other people were in was in Reggie Wright's name. The building that was eventually in Reggie Wright's name personally, not

as a business or entity. And so did you put that billboard on the top of the building home? I did all that Welcome Home with a big cutout of that was from the prison pitcher until that was a prison pitcher. That was a prison pitcher. I used to drive by that car. You know, he had no idea about that. That was just me. We had the billboard at the time and clear channel wasn't paying. They end up sing I asking and got a five judgment against that. You have to do it through them exactly, you just

put it up yourself. The lease was up, and I was trying to negotiate the price with him. And during the time of the negotiating the price with him, which I eventually I'll started getting ten thousand dollars a month. That's what was able to I was able to live off from the time home I left the row and tell about two thousand and six. And the last part of the question is who else ran the label other than you? Well, well, SI was smart and that's the

good thing. Well, people always say Reggie was still bullshit because what happened. I was able to generate checks, but the checks were done by ignatures. Are a stamp. His daddy was able to find text personally his father with his personal signature, which end up playing out because um, because the mama was seeing everything and the family was you know, he got tired of everybody knowing his business and so um that eventually played out. But uh, michele uh.

She had a rubber stamp and she would stamp it, and another female had another stamp and she would stamp something to check. So those are the two people that he the females that he had trusted that I would go to to get check signed, so they couldn't have anything generated. I was don't to have anything generated, but I couldn't have nothing signed that would get cashed by the bank because I would have to go to them. So Dads was never a CEO. Come on, now, that's

a Druggie. I think I've read somewhere. I think he said that I had him in charge of the music, the production, and you know, as far as into the studio, and he was a good producer. He was a hell of a producer. Is he still? Do you think he still got it in two thousand nineteen producing music? Um? When has he done? I'm not sure? I'm just it seems like even my point is, what John, what have they done? Don Harper? Was this tyrone? What have they done?

Who's out there making his now other than dre still today? J don't even do it. He does it for fun, play or whatever. But who who's doing it? Who's doing it? Hey, James, do you think Reggie did a good job when he took over? I know he wasn't around so much. But I'm sure he was hearing things. Man, don't get me like I was mad at Reggie. My goddamn every time my assie, which shot that I need to check he I don't know where he yet. Well he talked about once he got out, when he came out, I was

still the person you got to get to get the show. Okay, So you're talking about that, yeah, yeah. And then I think that billboard you guys had it called the Row. It wasn't death Row anymore. Yeah, that's we changed. That's when the Death Row. That's why Murder Ink changed their name to the Ink. People were trying to get away from that. I actually talked to no one, no legal reasons.

I talked to you into that because man, we had a case with the Broomfields from from sixties where they were the ones that bore corrupt over to the label when he was young, and when we signed corrupt um, the jury came back with a judgment against us for over eight or two million dollars and said, you know, he's smart enough to make his own to start something else, but we want to put this company out of business because we don't like that name death Row. That's what

people saying. We don't like the name death Row, and so we want to try to put him out of the business. When he come home, get out of jail. He's smart enough he can go and create something, to start something else new, And so even the judge was like, wait man, you know, and she dropped it down to like two or three million dollars. And then that's when we had to go and work out a deal with the Broomfields and eventually ain't down somebody to make that case go away. So if the case went away, why

did you change your name then? Because we don't want another incident like that that happened where where, you know, we just felt that climate was like deaf murder. We're talking now two thousand one, ninety two thousand and I think we were people were we were really dying. Yeah, people were just nicer. It was just they didn't ship. You know, we came out with the terrorist thread laws and all of that. The things that you used to can get away within the nineties you couldn't get away

with anymore. It was different times. And it's one of the reasons why I kind of changed my platform from street GANGSVAT. I just wanted to sanitize the name a little bit, bring more people on and not get that negative. You know. Look when people ask me, what's your channel, call street Gangs? Yeah, you know, so now street TV.

But let's wrap it up here. I want to thank everyone well before we close it off, I want to throw off that we got some some guests coming up that we need to people to send some some questions over to UM in the next couple of weeks. Chico Brown, Chico Brown and maybe and then Glad the following week. But Chico Brown is a guy most people y'all won't know, like who's Chico Brown. But he was one of Freeway Ricks, the right hand guy. But now he's trying to do

positive things in the city of Compton. He has um some type of gang um uh, I don't I don't know what to call him. But the people that goes around help and trying to clean up the city. And yeah, in the city of Compton. He's also like the right hand of the lasign to the mayor of Compton, Asia Brown, beautiful Asia Brown, and so I think here another dually, he has a brother in law. Most people don't know

that he his brother is married to Asia Brown. Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's his brother in law, her brother in law and so anyway, so we're gonna have him come on and talk about some things going on in the city, deal Compton and you know, his thing with Freeway, Rick and and whatever. The topic of the weekends. So please go to the if you're listening on iTunes, go to the rate and review, submit your questions and any sort of ideas you have, and thanks for listening to another

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