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big James, and thanks for being here, fellas. We're gonna have a This show actually is going to be completely inspired by people on social media that's put in their questions. They've been listening to the show every week, they've been downloading it. So today is all about the viewers. Were not the viewers, the listeners that have been listening to the show. And um, you can do that on Instagram. Yes, let's make sure you go to the Instagram account Gangster Chronicles.

Know the it's just Gangster Chronicles. Make sure you follow, and um, anytime you want to post a question, we're gonna check it out. We're gonna read all the comments and questions on there, and we're gonna start off with our first question of the of the day, and the first one is how did the Blood verse crypt beef begin? What sets and what issues started the beef? Now, this is something that I actually wrote about in my master's

thesis when I was going to USC. I kind of tried to uncover the history of how this all started and what got it going, and what years it got going, and what neighborhoods were setting it off. And I found out that nineteen nine was the year that Raymond Washington and about maybe ten eleven twelve other dudes on the

East Side got that whole crypton going. But at the time, there were other neighborhoods that existed that weren't Crip or blood like, for example, um, the Pirrous the West Side, well they called the West Side pi us now, but the rules around Pirous Street in nineteen nine doing that thing on the West Side. Yeah, and then and then the East Side came out shortly after the West Side

came out. This is around seventy. Athens Park Boys existed around the same time, UM Your Boy, the Miles they started, Um the Figure Roll they started to Figure Roll Boys. They were out around n seventy the Shock Boys was out around this time, all these neighborhoods, they weren't crip or blood, they were just all these different neighborhoods scattered throughout Los Angeles. Raymond starts his thing, and the first thing he starts to do is say, I want to

start converting some of these neighborhoods into crips. And some neighborhoods turned the crips and some don't. Uh. They went he went to Athens, they said we're good. They went to the brims, they said we're good. And in fact, the crips we're hanging out on par rou Street in nineteen seventy. Back in the day, the crips and the pirous were kind of functioning thegether. But then there was a little riff and eventually that conflict started. Now the

conflict really comes in. In nineteen two, I tracked the first homicide. L A brim dude named Country Little Country named Fred Garrett was shot and killed in December of seventy two. And that's when everything goes hey wire. That's when all these non crip sets start to say, then these these crips is really pressing the line, do you want to say something? Now? I was I was just thinking was at the time when Raymond Washington was shot

behind that. Raymond Washington was actually shot before seventy two. He was shot when it was pre crip. He hadn't even created the crips yet because he was hanging out with the Avenues. Now, Raymond Washington looked up to Craig Munson, and this was sixty seven, sixty sixty seven, sixty eight. Craig Munson had the Avenues with his brothers and a whole bunch of other dudes Victor Adam, Donny Boy, Uh,

Teddy Bear. They were the Avenues. And then Raymond was like a youngster hanging out with the avenues and he had got shot around that time. So um, that shooting of Raymond Washington happened prior to him creating the Crypts. In fact, him hanging out with Craig Munton is the reason why he started the Crypts. And that's why that's one of the stories I get from my uncle uh, because he used to be my oldest uncle was a slaws some boy when they were just saying slats and

he was a big he was a demon. My uncle t was hanging with the avenues. My uncle rabbed and then I think Morcle Chris they were shack boys, and a lot of the shack boys. When the game banging started over there, like the kitchen crypts and all of that, some of the guys went to Swans. The shack boys they converted back across Central and they were Swans and my uncle then was still Crips and they were like

with the Kitchens. And the reason why I know that is because my family have been living on eighty person Hooper for since nineteen sixty three and they're still there right now in today. And my uncle t was one of these guys that was hunging, hanging with Raymond Watson to them, uh big Teddy. Um. I know all of these guys from them coming to my grandfather's house. We was little kids. I remember all of these guys coming through there. I remember Teddy because Teddy was a big

old fat dude, but he was solid. And then the Munson's were around the corner, Teddy, Craig Robert. Uh yeah, they was around the corner you walked straight up through the alley. Actually they baby brother Runt was my best friend and he was the smallest out of all of them, but he was a big swollen look young coming up too. But he was from Kitchen Crypt and me and him were from different size. But I got a lot of stories listening to them. The oldest brother that was doing

life in the penitentiary, um from from Teddy. Teddy was pimping. They were more into themselves than really on the game, banging tips. Is this before you became in mom, Piru? No, I was still I was a little blood. I was a little bit cat when me and Runn started hanging together and I was from the mob. Run was from Kitchen. I used to give my homeboys from the hood to come all the way. We rode our bikes, said eighty firston Hooper fighting against the eight nines with Runt because

his homies were scared of the nineties Coast crips. And we would go to Drew and fight the cripts with Runt. So he was fighting You were Piru and fighting with the Kitchens against the eight nineties. He was He was my like blood. Did you ever feel like maybe I should be from from where run from? No? Because the homeboys rode with me. We we got on our bikes and road to come. I mean l a to fight with run what years was this going on? This was

seventy seventy seven. Damn James got some history, right, Yeah, we went and we was going to school with him, and so by us going to going to school and Run, I mean I went to Drew and and Run was one of my friends that kept cats away from me. When I had went to Drew Junior High. Why was you going on with the Drew and you was living because I was kicked out of Compton Unified, so my

grandfather and then lived over there. So I went to Parmarade and I went to Drew, I went to I went to damn every high school, Lock High, and went to Fremont and I just didn't last long. So but he was my friend the way of until he got killed. Now, before we moved on to the next topic, I just want I just want to know a little bit more about about Run. You know what type of guy he was, because eventually he grew up to be a kind of big.

He was a very big dude. If you ever seen anybody chiselm you wouldn't even think he was built like Now. You know who trained him though, right, his big brother what they had so many weights in the yard and by him he was stronger than his brother. He was stronger than Teddy, and walking about, Craig was solid. And then the only one that never lived wigs. The other brother, Carlton, the light skinned one. Well, they had another brother named Salim.

He lifted. And then the oldest, the oldest brother was Joe tall. He real tall. Also, I don't know, I don't think Joe lifted. Salim lifted. Joe was Joe was, he was, He was well built. He wouldn't know skinny cat, None of them was really skinny. But Carlton. Can you believe seven brothers though, and one family. Yeah. And then and their mama was was with the business. Yeah, Their mama was a solid woman. And and and she that wouldn't. I just seen Teddy not too long ago over there,

you know, Teddy into the low Riders and jury. When you see Teddy, you think this catch just just way down with gold and they they always been real cool. We was a little catch, and they looked out for us. And uh my uncle's uh Bubba and all of those guys Bubba doing life and Pendent Independitentiary right now from over there. Um, it was so many of those guys that we talked about right now, I know I know of all of them. Now. The second part of this question is what sets and when did she started to

beef um. Back in seventy seventy one, it was just west Side Crib, east Side Cript, Compton Cript. That was it. But then they were starting to splint her off sets. The folk trade Gangsters, they must have came out in like seventy two, the eight eight Avalons came out, and those would be some of the oldest sets. Kitchen Crip is real old. They go back to probably seventy two. And then in terms of the sets that eventually became bloods, you had the l A Brims they became bloods, the

Pirus became bloods. The Denver Lanes became bloods. Were the bloods pretty much, I think to my knowledge, the Bottoms, the twenties and all of that. They started first they was blood and then it trinkled coming up towards us, the outlaws, the villains, the Peblos, and the and they actually had forty piru then thirty piru. Those all became blood sets. So to answer that guy's question, those are the main sets that was active in the early seventies

when the Blood Crip beef just started jumping off. So this kind of goes right into our next topic, the Wat sets. Well, you know, the um Watch came a little a little late later, Yeah, because um uh, they went to Compton first. And even though there was a lot of dudes that grew up in Compton, the guys that started Compton Crip, we're from Watts. They moved from Watch to Compton Head Honcho. Head Honcho started the Compton Cripts along with another one of Raymond's dudes. But they

were from Watts, but they moved to Compton. Then after they got the Compton Crips going, they came back to Watts and Hickory Street. Watts is the first cript said in Watts that came out about seventy three maybe, which Yeah, and then of course Grape came out from Head Honcho's little brother, Wayne Day changed the name. They started off as um Jordan's Downs Crip. That's what it was originally in around seven, Yeah, it was the projects there. Then

they changed their name to Grape Street Crip. Um. But yeah, man, that's some it's some interesting history. Lost Angel sister, and I feel like this history is just as important as any other history. You know, I think there should be history books on black l a street culture, and there's a lot, there's a lot about it that you want to know, because man, I mean, even though you got a lot of killing and all of this other ship going, the moth got a lot of killing, and they're making movies,

they're making books. It's celebrated, but we're not doing that. But when we talk about black history when it's related to violence, it's like we're glorifying it. Why can't Blacks tell their stories as it relates to urban street culture in the same way it gets romanticized and celebrated when Italians or Irish or the Jews are telling their street histories. And this way different now, I mean way back in the day, man, they when when when, when uh Washington

was doing this, they was taking leather jackets. They was carried switch blades and little bitty thirty eight and twos. Today we're using eight K forty seven's and now memometers. So they just stepped the game up on on on what game banging is today. It's totally different from there. Back then, they fought, they fought exactly so you had to prove yourself back then as well as being a man with your hands opposed. Now, I ain't gotta say nothing to you. I just shoot you. The only time

you're fighting is when you fighting your own homies. You ain't fighting. And I think I need to touch on the pretty much what the parus and the crypts and all that pretty much came from the school colors as well. That's interesting because I always I always thought it was a coincidence, like Centennial Highs and Bunny Hunters and they was right there, get on the bus and Compton High is blue and demingas it's kind of neutral. I just kind of thought it was it all fell into place

as a coincidence. Now they most of those guys from Westside Paru went to the Centennial and that was the color of the school was read with the Centennial. All the Compton cripts went to Compton High and then their colors were blue. Yeah, yeah, that is an interesting Uh. I thought it was a coincidence. I don't, I guess.

I mean you're from Comptons. Yeah, well I know that's how you know the Compton crips and bluffs are pipe rules are sorrybody Like I said when you'll start talking about the l A Games in the sixties and the seventies, and the colors weren't even relevant. In the early seventies, the colors kind of came out. No, no, no, they like I said, they started with the school colors. Once they started, then they all used some young blood. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't what's happening because

it wasn't nothing like that. Those guys would see each other and fight just because or somebody coming to get somebody's jacket back, are they boots their shoes or whatever. And from the beginning of the time, fighting over women. This all my uncle numb used to do is fight over this side of the across Central they're fighting over abroad, or they're fighting because they took William mac jack k so we gotta go back. So they per formed this click where it's all about us. We're gonna protect us

against anybody, and that's how they just jump into it. Well, this goes right into the next topic. Another question on Instagram was what street battles did mob James have and what about the war between the Fruit Towns and and Ma Piru. Well, my war battles was against everything that called itself a cripp and and Compton at that time. My never had a war battle against no blood sets. Yeah, that internal piru conflict is more recent. Yeah yeah, way before,

way after my time. That's some that's the Mob and fruit Town. That's some new ship they're doing right now. But well, I know Fruit Town is going at it with tree Top. I didn't know. I also with Mom too. I never heard of it. I never had a beef with through Town to any tree Tops one fire Ones, no west Side, Pierus, no nothing. But there's all kind of internal conflict going. There's so much par rous and

you got to look at it. The only reason why you have this is because I guess Mothercker's ain't got ship to do. They don't even wait to summertime to mo to pick who they really want to sunk with now. And then you know, going back to two thousand and two, after Alcon was killed, you got the the the thing with Lotus Park and the Mob, and then you got the Mob and Livehood Mob and everybody is fighting everybody. Everybody is fighting everybody, which is let's say it's silly

because Comptany was never like that. I mean everybody from each hold can go to everybodyhood and kick it once upon a time. Now you can't do that. So I never had a beef with Fruittown. Uh. I have a lot of good friends from Fruittown right now in the day. Um So who remember I asked that question? I would say, they need to get their information right before they asked what's going on? Because Marmam James ain't never had a

beef with the fruit Chimes ever in his life. So what was the main crip said that you guys would go at it with back in the seventies. The Santana's, the Santana's uh Kelly Park, Atlantic Drive, Atlantic Drive, you know, and who was never a factor? It was always Santana was the major one because the baby gangs. He had money, and he influenced some of the cats in his neighborhood and he kept them straight, you know what I'm saying.

So they was our main which came him because they was They were the ones that really pretty much giving it back, you know what I'm saying. Parman Oaks and all of their mother cats was not a guys, and you basically had problems with people at school and when he went to the summertime. It was because we used to get out of school in the summertime in June. And I swear, especially from the law enforce a point of view, every time that last week or two weeks

of school, you knew what was going down. You knew it was September something about that in the football game. Now, because your father was a cop, that's probably one reason why you never got involved in the gangs, correct were I grew up and walked the streets just like they did. I played, I played baseball at Kelly Park. Will you ever tempted like I want to be in the game? Never? Never? I never even you know, I always knew I wanted to be in law enforcement. We eventually wanted to be

an attorney. And what I thought, say it though he always been a knuckle here him and his cousin William Flat. He came out there for Quama and started with those niggers. He was real cool with the two piece my cousin that he's about to talk about. Yeah, that's what he was hanging out there. You remember, went out there and started having Cris crossed. And Reggie was was an item. Bad but a good game. Pops get him narrow straight, and then his whole family Jarles. You never hear nobody

speak on Jols. That's his uncle and and his dad. Everybody speaking on his dad is Jiles is so low cut, low key, he'd do his stay. So how would you feel when your father was arresting some of these guys that you was going to school with, or that putting cases on people, Like, wouldn't they be mad at you? Used to come to us U and I have never had that problem. They used to come to the house and sat in the living room talking to Reggie. We lived right there on Pine Street, right down the stream.

I mean we until I mean I was nineteen years old, twenty years old. When when when they finally say, okay, we gotta get out here because my little sister was wilding out. I have assisted is about ten years old, name kill. That was just was wilding out, hanging on

the streets. She went the Willow Brooke They won't take us into a wayy, but my father went over up to willow Brook Junior High School one time, which was a little little ways and know and my father was like, oh, I thought, you know, she was having problems and stuff like that. They say, no teaser, goddamn leader's the problem. Whatever, the clicks of the bat is there, and so he said,

you know, he had to move her out. And so my my little sister is the reason that he finally got all the comment and to just elaborate on that, this, this is how Reggie Wright Senior was with all of us. I've never seen nobody that was so fair and uncut. If you funk up and they say your name and this report, I'm gonna come get you and take your ass to jail. If you don't be over here, you can't suck up and I won't have to come rest your ass. Reggie did this at the house so many

times on your door. Yeah, come on, James, you know you ain't. We're talking. We get down to the station, and that's how he would do it. And can I get a cigarette while you do this. That's a unique relationship for police to have with the community, because that doesn't exist. And that's why I said in an earlier interview that he was doing community or policing community. But you gotta remember, my family come from the Pyroal Course

housing projects. My father was boring and raised and and in Watson the projects and my mother and my father and he got kicked out of the l A. Jordan had to end up going to Compton High School and that's where you know, graduating from UM and so I say that, but he was also but this is where Reggie was. Reggie was reading the gym. Uh they called it Baby Staples Centers down the inside of the Pyal Court.

He was the super superintendent there. He had a basketball team called the Imperial Course All Stars, uh that he took all over you know b C I programs and took him all over the state. It was like well we know now and as the traveling basketball and all of that. He was doing that with the team out of the Watts Bank then. And so Reggie did like Roy Hamilton, David Greenwood and all of them from the seventy four to uh about he wouldn't kind of the

early cripping in the Imperial Court. So he knows, he knows all of that history. And I mean, you know, he was deep into it because he was at the Imperial Court. My uncle who also coached baseball and baseball and football, UM, and so they but my point being is that um, he was also the meter reader, not the meter reader. He wasn't me. He was a little higher than the meter reader because my father didn't become in the law enforce until he was about twenty eight

years of age, which was a little bit late. Um me just returned not too long ago. But um but he was the one that worked for Edison that came and cut your lights off. Was you know, he was the bill collector that they didn't have all the meter readers now where you can just turn it out from there. They had to come to the house and try to collect the money. If not, your lights get cut off. So he built relationships with people because he was he

wasn't that good at the job. You know. He would talk to people and be like, hey, you need to get this done. I gotta come back, or this is how we need to do it. So this is how he built relationships with people. A family. So that's why mainly most of the guys was out there. Mothers and fathers knew it. Mainly was mothers. This was in the Compton Watch area. It was he had that whole area. And so that's why he built relationships with all of

these people. Where when he became in law enforcement, he pretty much already knew him, knew who would be hanging out, who was there because of his job. What Reggie knew he knew from and that was before law enforcement. They didn't know that they hated he always had a problem with what they call fratnization. Now you know what that. But they knew. But people in upper management knew he was effective where he was. You know, you could and he had a memory. I mean, this man had a memory.

Out of this world is going now now he gotta takes him a minute to think. But back then you're telling him something about it, and he'll tell you, Oh, that's the one. So that's the one. So he's sitting on the he's sitting on the block wall right now doing this weariness. Is how his reputation became named. So how did your dad end up living in Compton? Then? If he was from Watts everybody moved from the project to the city of Compton. Everybody's parents came from either.

I guess the year we lived on A hundred we moved from I never lived my mom would get married. You have a finish. She heard me say, I lived in the project. I didn't live on but I lived on a hundred fourteen Street, which was right outside the projects. But you know we called it moving on up. I guess that was our Jefferson's move in the conference. And I heard you mentioned um Santana block dude named Turtle.

My father still to this day, were a charm that Turtle gave him, you know, Turtle to Compton from another state when he was a young kid. The majority of yeah, and how did how did Turtle become the man in Santano? It wasn't because he was the because of the game. The game usually the little, the smallest guys. When the cocaine came to County, some of us knew. We looked at it, We know how to sell it. Some of the guys cats got to know how to rock it.

Some of them cats, they can rock it, they can sell it, and they knew how to save their money. You knew how to cut it and the whole nine. And they was making money though. You could tell. Those guys were shining like motherfucker baby gags and all of them. So the ones that didn't make it was just in the hood doing their things. But the ones that did, like Turtle, I remember that white, uh was it the sixty five ship you had with bad havy rabbit on it pissed me off. He had a perm at the

time and send him one day I was hitting. But we had the same fucking opportunity as they had. We had fucking bags like ship, and we just didn't know what the funk we was doing. So the way we sold it, we were getting it away for five hundred dollars and then rocket. Even if you're dealing with cocaine, it's still a business. You still got to have the talent to make the profit and we have to go

re up. We didn't have that. You know, if you look at all the guys that I knew that was successful in the game, from m Armando to uh um uh think they were all from Pat Johnson. All of the motherfucker's was probably about five six five seven weight a hundred and fifty hundred sixty pounds. My point was it was always a little small thing s our guy that was had the business mind that made it happen.

I don't know if they were well so um less intimidating to deal with because you know, the stature or whatever. But every dude that I know that was a hunter was about the only one when you mentioned his name, well, Wayne Day, that was a big du that that was kind of uh you know who was connected. He definitely

had the skill, he had the connection and the connection. Yeah, telling me ask you did the santa when you said the Santano's had maybe extra skills or edge when it came to hustling back then, the two or three guys, and they had other people outside of them, and then they was taking out of town, out of town waiting for we even thought about going to Denver. You know

what I'm saying. They was already gone. And then one thing about those cats was man to to to do your dealings and then to deal with the game, bang and ship at the same time. They did them both and they wasn't no, they got making money. They let me get over here. I ain't raising these cats, but I'm giving credit with credit is due. Those cats was on the block with doozies doing their ding with money in their pocket. I'm talking about cats all up and down.

Uh what's the street? Uh God or no, they on rosecrans and the little spot pearls. But those cats was on that one seven ready to go. And every time we went down there, Uh, we had to deal with some cats and it was we were fired upon, we were shoting at at and it wouldn't know, just let's go ahead and get these niggas. It was always an issue. And that was the fun thing about Santana's and even from the uh, the pyrous side. And you know, I'm giving a guy credit that Jay probably don't like too much.

I don't know. But Glen we called him Glenco Zeke. We it was Zeke and we called I called him always Glenco. He was a part of dude that grew up, that was one of Bunchry's closest friends at one time. That was connected. But he went over and dealt with the South sides. And that's why we called him Glencoe because that's what you know, one of the main streets over in south side of the crypt uh huh. Zeke was always he had to the end with Fink. And

that's what exactly, that's my point. That was the connects. I was just I say, this is how the blood and the crew we're connecting with, you know, was connected, and you know that they would work together. They would only fun with Zeke pretty much. But he can go over there in south Side and get whatever he needed and bring it back with any crypt gang in Compton and and this crypt game, which is Santana's. They were like bright in the middle of the you got these

then here they go. You got M Street and from M Street on down you got number bloods and and they actually they did they think they represented their ship. They didn't man this ship shut down. No, there was the only ones. I give them any props on that. And they wouldn't go away. They wouldn't go away for real. I'm serious. We had issues with those cats for years, and I say the only crip gang out there that was at that time in the early eighties was was them.

Have you made peace with any of the Santana blocks as you got older, Hans or had a meal? No, No, I haven't. I don't. I mean associate with people like that. I mean I think I'm sure there's some o G Santana does that feel the same way you feel? That probably due and always say that they didn't have too much problems because gangster kind of goddamn shop pretty much in the hood. Right what the confidence fought me was right on right on with the with the the little shop.

I said, what's what's up? You know what? And the reason because of that, because he was going through some ship with his wife, the lady passing and all that. He just getting out the fares all that man. Motherfucker's grew up and they got time for the beef. You feel me so, But just say if that was years, you wouldn't be there. And he knew he wouldn't be posted there, so I mean, even him, he ain't stupid. That's like me going to post up right there before

they build that bridge over over on Rose Glass. Ain't happening. You ain't walking down that street, even though tree Top was right right on the other side of the ridge. But the ain't nobody going, Yeah, I'm not walking right there. Cross tracks those guys, man, was confidence pretty much set up by tracks, the railroad tracks, which is willow Brook, Alameter. It's pretty much whereverybody knew their boundaries were. Well, that's

what divide the east side from the west side. Always I every blood shid, I went in and I kicked it through towns Duck and all of those cats we've always kicked it. Me and lead Forward used to hang together all the time on Peach. Yeah, and then let me just say that MORV James had a blood party every Friday night or Saturday night, Friday night, Friday night, every every seven house at this house. It was so bad. I used to go. I used to love it because I'll go over there at the end of the year

because you know what I did. Jacket niggas coming out of the party. They all had guns on them and just let them have their day. And that man talking, so he was coming up there, up coming. Police come and they tell me I had to shut club mob down. I don't, but don't. Don't got dog on neighbors. I was gonna senior citizen block colub meetings, everything like, how y'all letting this go on? You know what it was? So it was so reckless and I'm in it now.

You know. The guys were so they all respected me because I told him, y'all party and my ship to do whatever you want. Don't spin on my floor and don't drop no cigarette. Other than that, I don't give And and we would play. We would have football games. We was playing Emerald Hills every Sunday and all the San Diego Cats would come down and just man, it was just we do when we want when we get to this cat this nigger house on bloods Nigga, I'm

coming and then you're just they got Poldy card. So Emerald Hills Blood from Sandy Southeast San Diego would come to comf the way to Compton and just to play football against us. And then after we played football, they go to their court get a case in Hennessey and and we all started getting sucked up. Now they would stay and kick it. There comes Saturday party Sunday, Sunday morning. Those that was dropping up in the then and whatever got up and went home. The football game he got killed.

He left the park that was we was playing the West Side. We was playing the Body Hunters. Okay, I thought he was playing the Huns. Got that call on that one. Now, you also mentioned two other crip sets. Both of y'all mentioned Kelly Park in Atlanta. Try but before I asked you about that, I just interviewed some Emerald hill Blood because I was in San Diego a couple of weeks ago, and I just posted that on

my channel. So for anyone that's interested in one of my latest interviews, go visit street tv and you can check out some of the Emerald Hill Bloods that I enter feed over there in their neighborhood. But you also mentioned this top time from the neighborhood that we're talk Lloyd Lake there. I don't Lloyd Lake, but it's the south southeast San Diego. They up on a on the hill. They call it Uptown. This the pinky and the index finger which makes it you is their sign because of uptown.

So uh, I had his brother given me the history of the Emerald Hill Bloods. They even even the dude even mentioned he said, man, they know us, they know us in l An. They all little cash, straight pimper, straight pimper making their money and them dudes was doing it good. We'll go check out about that Emerald Hill interview on the Street TV. But you guys also mentioned Kelly Park, Compton Crips and Atlantic Drive Competon Crips. Were they kind of a factor in terms of the conflict

with the mob back then. Kelly Park, Yes, uh call Pork has some riders in it, that's where he's from. Yeah, And they had alignment. They made alignment with the hell of you used to go south side Atlantic and Kelly Park neighborhood. It was alignment something like that when they even went together, but they mainly fought with Santano, to be honest. They had a big we used to call it the Compton massacre and the down they about four or five them got killed one one day at Kelly Park,

uh and a big shootout. Potato here. Paul Watson still a little death row behind that. Bunty went to jail when they started that, came out with the c that was hunch That's so funny, that's so funny. I did a crip from Watts hunch Old start the niggas and united. They only become the c C Rider after his brother got killed, Kenny Crow. My father's one of the arrest of the guy that killed his brother on that trying to fix it him. But my brother bunch Ree went

to the park where they was having this meeting. And it's a crazy story. Which part Kelly Parks, Kelly Park when they was former CC Riders Right now, what part was that? Because we had the tape, No that was a competent high school on the football field, no football they got pulled over, that was on the football field, compo. I got the whole tape of that. A bunch of them in the car. Just stay in the car, draw down and let him have it. The police see them,

so they take salt. They would have got away like motherfucker, but this mesking lady was in front of him. They speak cleaning English, and they was telling her to get the funk out the way, blowing the horn the whole night. She didn't know what the funk they was talking about. But anyway, why the funk y'all didn't bag up and and and go around them. They didn't. They didn't have no reverse, So the bolus ten minutes sitting there, police catch them, pull up. They all jumped out the car.

And this is when Alton caught the assault on the police officer. The dog that came up by the house. He choked the dog out, so they gave him a tempt on the dog that's an officer. So and that was real funny because everybody was supposed to be in on this, and they were supposed to be they supposed to got attacked from each corner. It's what's called because if y'all come out on this side or come out with the building, the court building that where, if y'all

come out that way, they're getting hit. You know what I'm saying. But no, they went on and did them, and they cost them nine years. The CC writer went off for a little wasn't nothing. Were united for a minute though, when that real nighting not took over. They they were cec riding. Was the post would be something that took overcome, yea. They thought they were gonna come in and shut one who had down at a time. It wasn't happening. Y'all weren't ready for no ship like that.

So you're saying that they were consolidating to be against the py Rouse all together come together because they were killing each other. They was killing they was knocking down they because half the component crypt don't get along there. That's why they were killing each other. The shooting you just mentioned that landed Um Humble on death row from Yeah, but they called Paul Watson, but Paul was that I was working. I worked at that homicide seen um ain't

too many ninety four ninety It the quintuple homicide. You know about four or five people got shout at the park that day. I'll tell your story right quick. Be the promote being a a donor the can you think of the name now, mindo wasn't well anyway. He was one of the main shot calls over the Atlantic Dry. The reason why. And this boy is walking around good today. His mama refused to take him off for life support because she was trying to wait for a donor, uh,

to give up his parts organs to be an organ donor. Um. And this boy, you know, he's still not all all there. But his boy still walking around the day from Atlantic Dry because his mom was trying to wait for an organ donor. And he came through that thought. The doctors told him he was gonna be dead. One of the main shot called Mondo. I can't take that boy name, but he was one of the main dudes over the Atlantic Dry to this day. They got shot up in

that during that same shooting. Yeah, then in jail on death row everybody. But now you got a car coming from the scene. In the car, it wasn't like one of those they got caught, I'm sure. Was he the only one that was about three or for him that got he's probably the only one on death row from Santana. I have to call senior on that. I don't remember. My memory not good with the niggas all right, and real quick before we move on to the next topic.

You mentioned easy being from Kelly Parker. Um, he basically was spearheaded the whole gangster rap I would say gangster rap label before Yeah. Um he started Ruthless Records and what seven And it was that Kelly park money that financed it, right, Yeah, there is a big misconception about that. It was cocaine and it was mainly this week though

he's a big time wheat make some money. Pounds were back then, because you know, I was if you take it somewhere was a hundred and fifty bucks somewhere else. But the weed and eighties seven you had Thai budd right, what else? There was no chronic there was no kids. He had seeds. Stress, yeah, stress, what else was the stress? Time was time? He was lucky. Time was the best. That was the Yeah, that man. So he was making

his money off of them. Yeah, you gotta sell a lot of that to to have the money, and it wasn't And they made the deal real quick, you know. But he had some street money. He was making two dollars a day and uh school selling that doming selling single joints. They have them all pre rolls, alright, Our next question off of Instagram was the whole l Rate theater incident in was a brother from Roll the Sixties got stomped to death. I think his name was bo

oh Well. I know him as Kelly Jamerson, Kelly Jamerson. And the question is how did that situation from the guy that got killed from sixties not escalate into something larger with death row records big you will say, because he was out, wasn't out, which was but this is what happened. Um he came allegedly he was on the

the DJ's um um guest less. DJ Quick was having this big problem with m C eight at the time because the g wasn't anyone right and so and so quick as just got off stage performing and they were

walking by. Uh, and then m C eight, you know, because him a Quick had that major this thing going on, and he was just hollering at him, and you know, started pointing that Quick and disrespecting Quick, and then the melee started between everybody, just the pie roots and pretty much any Quick that we'll get or any Crypts that will get involved. And and that's how he got stumped out. Now, Uh, when that guy, when the guy stumped out like that if the mother catch whoever was with him didn't leave

run because they was they were fighting. They were fighting, and if the mother cats wouldn't have left, And then man, I was over there by the stage with ship and all you see was bottles and all kind of ship being thrown chairs and over the place. So you you wasn't there wasn't she was on the stage, and I was right there when he was on stage, I was right there watching his back. So when all that ship went off, the bar was if you're facing the stage,

the bar was to the right. So timmy hand dog quick Um was done zell Um, quite other few people, the the bodyguard that was with him that that eventually died. Big Harry said, dude from St. Louis, I can't think of that. And I said again, if if his homeboys wouldn't have left him, I don't think it would have been that serious. But when the fight broke out and it was just just just motherfucker's on top of each

other's and and motherfucker's was getting getting beat up. And was he targeted or no, Jamerson, he was just he was just in the area. It was well, and then you know the crypt, the crypt and the party rout thing kicked in is what mainly happened. I can't even say that that Jamison was with M because I know, you know, because I got sued and everybody got sued, and I so I know that he was on the

guest list. It was it was game, but it was everything in there after that, because when the bottles and ships started getting through, that was quick than throwing back and forth at each other, and you here, what's happened. They're gonna bloods and they're gonna don't quip. And then it was just and it happened like that that fast. Next thing, you know, those dogs swing open, motherfucker's running out of there. And when motherfucker's running towards their cars,

you heard people saying, help help help him. He helping me still down, his home voice was gone. Everybody skirted up out of there, and the next day they said somebody was killed. And six months later, two months later, Tupac wrote a song about it, and how you say I killed somebody? DJ and I'm not a gangster? That that one that was a couple of years later. Yeah, you know, by that time, he was going from I don't even want to put our ship in it like that.

But you know, motherfucker's got the point fingers at the row, motherfucker's and was saying such and such did all this year old bullshit, and only a few people went to the police. They had to go to the police station behind that ship. And you know, how do you motherfucker know? The police know his name, his name, his name. That's all y'all got to give. Were the cameras rolling inside there captained the whole thing. And theater did not have cameras.

And man, we're talking about the nineties now, they wasn't like that. Cameras, not one single camera. They didn't have cameras one that that that popular back then. Anyway, Thank god I was you know, I was over security then, but I was just at the door. The security that I was hired. Um, they had their own. It was the house security thing. God was. They all took off a bunch of L A p. D. Cops and all

of that. They got in trouble because they mainly, um do you um fought the security for not doing anything. You could have broken up so um any times, um, somebody get uh stumped out, you know, that's that's taking supposed to stop it quicker. So, yeah, I have some concerns, but but my people would make me the artists. So I got my client out and she got out real quick. Well you couldn't blame now. She was on the stage. He was trying to stop it. He was like he

thought the party was gonna still go on. He was like, I said, nig we, let's go, let's go now he was, It's okay, Red, just stop, no, let's go. The place was sup. Yeah, it was still trying to party. It was it was Yeah, he was still trying to party. But that ship level party. So basically nothing really escalated, you know, corrupt cart a little trouble. We had to go, and I remember me and she going over the next

day the Silver Lake and meeting with UH. That's when we found out the FBI and and all of that was following us around like crazy because they jacked us. Uh come, you know when we was meeting with UH, we was meeting with the corrupting DASK because they were scared shitless because they were getting all the threats and all of that. Why the sixties and I think that's what you're saying, why the sixties and started gang? Well, that's all about. That's all about. That's why we went

to bed, and they were they were upset. You know, we're corrupting dass and putting pressure on them. But I don't know if she'll ever get some money to corrupt in dask to the filter, to their hood or what. But I know they were catching a lot of hem. They were the partners. He's from Long Beach, but they

were a partner. Dash from New Orleans, Memphis, Mississippi, and sowere he was from He he's from Philadelphia, but he was up under the sixty car with the Broomfields and Big You and all of them, and so they you know, they had a little affiliation with that. So I guess an answer to this guy's question somehow got worked out. We never yeah, we we never had no problems after that, not with the with the sixties. After that. Um never

had no problems. And eventually we all know that she started hanging with the sixties with Big You once he came home. Yeah, yeah, so I was. There was no problem. Deaths later, that's much later. All right, Well Big You was in jail at that time. Alright, So um, let's move on to our final topic and This comes in from another Instagram follower. Oh, this is a this is a really controversial question. Would there be less police shootings if black people complied more with the police? Man, home, man,

I already know what Reggie's gonna say. I told you about about two two episodes ago that y'all gotta teach your kids to comply and we can deal with the cops and go down to the station later. That's a sad case because I've taught both of my kids how to conduct themselves in the years old and fourteen years old, and I'm telling them when I get pulled over and this, you guys to see, this is what and you're gonna get that type of bullshit from them, whether you like

it or not. Wait a minute, whether you reply or not. Bullshit. The police is gonna do what they want when they felt like it. Now. But standing out on the corner, the police come and pull you over, let me see your like, why bullshit with him and play games and want to fight. You're not gonna win this fight you Yeah, no, No, even the ones that's clean, there's no need for for that type of conversation. Just getting what they want to be done with it and then let it. Sometimes it

don't work like that, whether you comply or not. You got this asshole as cop donna want to push you in your back and be all rough with you and ship so man that that that that can go anyway, any kind of way. It all depends on what type officer you get that's pulling you over. Or you can say no, Reggie, I'm not gonna allow you to turn your back on me to day. I'm just telling you because we have I mean, you have something that if they don't told you four or five times, get your

ass off this block, move, keep moving. You don't stay in there. And that's usually just because that's usually because the lady in front of the house, old Grandma is complaining and keep calling down to the station to the washer man. Why won't they move James from in front of the house. He out there selling that stuff now. Actually, then I'm gonna tell you, man, I ain't going nowhere. Can't make me leave. And then you're gonna say I want your I d get on my car and don't

you move. Man. You can't tell me where it moved you well, and Compton, we have a municipal blocking the side. We got examples where people did not deserve to get shot that are on camera. Oscar Grhant, We've all seen um the fruit veil platform video. The guy the cops actually ended up saying, oh, I thought that was my taser. You know that's the old senior citizens in the back. He said, what about Philando? And I believe that that he that that old man messed up on that. I

believe because I don't tasers really weren't that popular. I don't remember. The cops are just be just as scared as uh some people, especially if that training is not that well. But your tasers on your weak side, your guns on your strong side. So how do you grab your taser and think it's your gun? Or vice versa, how do you grab your gun and think it's your taser? They're on opposite sides, Right, he was wrong? What about Philando Castile? The guy says, Hey, I'm gonna go give

you my I D right now. But Shade in the back seat, I do have a gun. It's legal. I worked for the school district and and he just aired his ass out. That's all on camera too, So I know what the situation you're talking about, but I don't know, but he had back tactics, and that's the good thing you should sussily. Living in California, the police also standing and training is a lot better than you have in some of your states out in the South, um and so they know how to order the people out of

the car. You you you just pretty much freeze the situation and wait till you get some back up, or you just get people out of the car and you try to slow the situation down, you know what. That's how you're supposed to do it. But the most recent issue that we're talking about, the incident I think it was in Florida or somewhere that they did shot the

lady four times, three or four times. We don't know she'd be trying to say because the investigation knew that she was reaching for something that's not I'm not trying to gonna be here and try to justify the shooting because we don't know the facts. Because you could have had a gun in the waist band. We don't know, because they're not saying I don't know what they said

she we don't know. My whole point to that though, is if she would have complied, she still be alive and she would just let the man frisker do whatever and still out there trying to talk shit resist. You know what, don't you think that today when I go to work, I'm gonna find at least five people I stopped. Two of them gonna be combative. Two im ain't gonna

listen to what I tell them to do. That you don't go to work with their mentality, I'm gonna have to with somebody I didn't um and I don't remember really been in the cars with people like that. But I'm not saying that it doesn't happen that some people, because I don't know what a person in mindset is. But my point to that is, if you have a good management at your at the police department, that cop

is going to eventually get weighted out. We knew the ones that was heavy handed, that's what we used to call are aggressive, and after three or four or five complaints, but that same type of situation, trust me, they asked, got moved to community affairs, they got put in helicopter. There's they got, they got reassigned. Um, if not pretty much told hey don't get in another one or you're

gonna get dealt with. So if you have good management and and you know, fortunately I was at a department where we were fifty black and white, and so the you know, the white officers can run rapid as rapid as um as they're do in some departments. I'm not here to say that there's not bad officers on the street or heavy handed aggressive. The most heavy handed aggressive officers that I worked with were black, to be honest, um.

But they're learning that because that's just the culture of the police, not because of their black They're they're absorbing the culture of law enforcement based on the officers that's what they're supposed. It could be that from the training or there, or they're got or it could be because and its mainly was because they thought that was their way of making the difference until they found how how

the department to turn on it. Because you know, like I had two grandmothers and little in the city of Compton. I didn't have a problem because you know with the guys hanging in front of their house and stuff like that because of James. But my grandmother eventually had to move. I love the city of Compton because two people got killed in front of her house and so if she wasn't living over there by the McDonald's, and and and the people that they were allowing to come over to

their house. She might, you know, would have died living in the city of Compton and wouldn't had to move out. Well, my biggest problem with these heavy handed officers is that I've seen at least a dozen videos where they are pursuing a white person or a white woman, and w I'm saying to myself, this is lasting far too long. If this person was black, they would have got aired

out already. White women jumping out of the car, in the car, out the car, dancing, white guys just talking, all kind of crazy mess and and that's don't play that too much. Race has to play a role in this. But even though let me say this, let me say this, and this is to to all black cats out there that get pulled over. At some point, we as black men have to learn you got to understand the system and roll with it, because we can't beat the system

no matter what we do. I had to learn stop running your mouth to the police, to me do what you do and then let them go about their business. I've learned that. But then in between times you get that one that don't ain't got no love for you like that, Like Graves, this motherfucker was ready to do me in handcuffs because I didn't want to do a goddamn gang video with them at the police station. You

feel me? So what is my choices? Either standing his motherfucker's seldom let them come in here and get me. Just yeah, I do it. You know what I'm saying. So you have to you have to say put all your pride to the side to say, Okay, I understand officer, Yes sir. So this is what they want to hear. How you're talking to I mean, I guess you're talking

about saving lives. But at the same time, police officers need to be trained to deal with the mouth, but to deal with the cursing, to deal with the disrespect. That doesn't mean pull out my gun and blow your way. Dealing with police officers is if I come off aggressive before they even say anything. Now, the whole situation is aggressive. If they come off aggressive, I don't have to get

aggressive because he's an asshole. Still reply, still saying yes sir, your mind telling me what I'm pulled over for it. Then the cool thing about that is we don't know our laws on the streets on why they're not supposed to funk with you if you ain't committed a crime. I'll be watching all these ships on on this phone here they're chewing the police out. Well, officer, do you know what the three or eight is? Chick? And I'm I don't know what the code is. Yeah, I know

what you're saying. I know what you're saying. And those stupid cops because I can. I can get in your pockets and I can get in you. I can get in you and have you arrested for any pretty much anything. They don't know how you have to do it. Pull me over, or just walk on the sidewalk and stop and say give me your ID. I can ask you, but you don't have to give an I don't have to give it you. I can ask you, but then I'm gonna find a reason to take your after jail.

Why would you do that? You're blocking the sidewalk. No, I'm walking, said walking. I'll find I'll find a reason. I'll find a reason to legally. I mean, if you want to fight it, fight it, because because all he's gonna do is wrack up some paperwork. His superiors is gonna say what you got on this guy? Nothing, and you're gonna get out to fo he's been going there. But because if you ain't got no worts, why not

just give the idea? Why fight them about it? And why not just compliance say the principality the principality of it, and then you can fight it. One time I got told quick story. I got pulled over and I had a legal gun in the back seat, locked, and they asked me, can we go in that box and look at your gun to make sure it's unloaded because you can't have it loaded in the state of California. I said, no, you can't go in that box, and they made it a forty five minute or deal. They said, just give

us the key and let us look. Not I could have just been Mr. Nice guy, here's the key, go take a look. But I have a right to my privacy. I covet my privacy, So I said no, no, no, no, no no. I had to sit there. Then they handcuffed me. It took an hour before one of the superior officers said you gotta let him go, you know, but I could have got out of there in five minutes, right Reggie, I would have been gone. No one was scratched out. No, no, no, it's a complete legit gun. But the point is I

could have been at it in five minutes. Here's the key, go check it out. But I'd rather exercise my rights, maintain my privacy, and deal with it for an hour, hour and a half get handcuffed for thirty minutes. And you know, how many of us know that, how many of us know our rights. That's why you really getting funked out there on the streets because we don't know our rights, and the police know that. I'm gonna give one right across a good offer you did, and let

me just tell you why. That's all he had to do, was saying, as he was approaching your car, he saw you placing the gun inside of the log box and locked there. Well, he immediately figured out, oh, this is a professor from cal State Long Beach. This guy's as a professional. He's not just no chump off the streets. In fact, when I opened up my glove box, he said, that box of bullets in your in your glove compartment is probable cause I said no, it's not. Because he

wanted to really go in there. His partner said, let's get the bolt cutters. Let's let's call in the bolt cutters and break that thing open. I said, y'all, do what you gotta do, but I'm not freely giving you the key so you can go search my gun. I have no no criminal record, gun is registered. Do what you'll want to do. And you know what that gun was in the front seat. They could arrestue you because

they call it. It's called arm reach. Arms reach from you know, just saying that the most people because just because you don't have a you know, the bullets in there, but all of that's an arm reach is because still consider loaded. That's but that's Jay's point that we don't you know, most people don't know that, you know, and I don't think it being in the front seat is illegal. It's still like unloaded, and it's and the bullets. But the point was, because the bullets is an arms reach

in the glove compartment. Can you give me and the viewers, the people that's listening one low that we all shouldn't know. Here's one that I think everyone should exercise. You never have to show your I D to a law enforcement officer unless you're driving a motor vehicle, if you're a pedestrian, if you're walking through the mall, if you're sitting in the park. You never have to show an i D. Only if you're driving a car or a motorcycle or

a motor vehicle. And you you know the law that says that you must have if you're eighteen years of eight that you must have a California or an I D. You don't have to show your I D. But you have to get to it. But did you know you're supposed to have Yeah, when you turn eighteen, you're supposed to go to the d m V and get your I d's. And I believe that's before UM so that you can get drafted in case there's a war and everyone knows who you know. It's not federal laws to

state law. I know, but I think it's just like um, well, it's kind of not it's a federal it's not federal, but it's kind of federals. Like alcohol, the Feds made every state make it twenty one. Some states were eighteen seventeen. Even though it's not federal, it is a federal law. The drinking is twenty one and over, but you don't have to show your i D to a police. I was just saying that I would just jump back onto

by saying that you most people don't know that. You think you're supposed to have that and try to learn that law. And then the police stopped. But please, but you don't become calm combat. But that can create a com combative situation where I tell an officer I'm not I'm not showing you my i D. Why can't the officers just say, all right, I'll respect you're right. It's never that easy. It's never that easy. What are you hiding from me? Are you? Are you on the run?

You got warrants? Are you a criminal? I mean, have I committed a crime? No, you're just sitting in the park my business? YEA. Just better hope I got damn camera or something got me committing crime. This is all I hear to say. And no, I mean you can video tape anywhere, you can stand anywhere. You won't. But they come with some some different ship and then they try to take that law from you. If you ain't sharp on your game, they're gonna bull those right over

your rights. I used to open carry here in California. It became illegal, like in two thousand thirteen or fourteen. I'll be sitting in the Starbucks patio with my straps. Let me let me clarify that open carry a loaded I don't know. Open carry means it's not loaded, you have your you have a magazine on the other side. Because you know who who caused that problem for the loaded firearm of being a problem? What's that? The Black

Panther Party? Oh yeah, yeah, well that was um yeah that Ronald Reagan changed the laws that didn't allow them to be armed. I mean they walked right into em in the gun. Yeah, but what they were doing at that time was legal, the shotguns and they were at the Capitol. But open carry was legal in California, meaning you can carry your gun as long as it's not loaded. You can have your bullets hosted on the opposite side.

They made that illegal in two thousand fourteen. But I used to open carry, walked through the market, Um, go to Starbucks, and people would call the police, this guy's walking around here with a gun, and they would pull up army. After a while they knew who I was. But you gotta let them. You put your hands up. They want to go check it, they can check it

they want, they just want to make sure it's not loaded. Yeah, but then they made it illegal, you know, so I would I used to tell people all the time, Hey, it's you can open carry in the state of California, not just Texas, but you can open carry in the state of Texas right now. Unfortunately, well fortunately for some people. But I feel like unfortunately they're trying to infringe on our right, our gun rights, and they made it illegal

just like four or five years ago. They gotta do something about the training and know these people with guns, because it was a situation where this white girls just uh tastdown is uh a guy at a hit and run doing a hit and run and shout and killed him Oklahoma. I think it was the state of Oklahoma where these people with the you know, with the rights to carry guns and stuff, is um, you gotta because there's no mandate that you have to go practice shooting

your gun. They need to train winter use now how to use win because this point of on girl going on, she's gonna go to jail for a long time. I think that she was doing the right thing. Well, question'll off the topics topics which you heard anything about the truth is going on right now, is it? I know that it's been it's been quiet in certain areas in l in l A. But in other areas there was

just a shooting yesterday, Um in the forties neighborhood. There was a shooting yesterday in forties crip neighborhood for people, And that's the misconception. It was just certain areas where the truths was on up anyway, right, Well, I don't know what it was, but the people that were at that march were mostly from the west side, west side

hoods in Hay Trade sixties. Uh, there were some inglewood families there, there were some rolling forties there, there were people from the east side, but it was when you looked at the crowd, it was mostly West side crips and that was that was a good thing. But I don't know any anytime you got brothers not killing each other, that's a good thing. So I don't know. We'll we'll come back to that question, um next week. You should keep an update on show everybody and know because to me,

it's kind of like faded away. You don't hear no more about NIPCI no more. You don't hear no more about the truth. So I mean if people not interested in knowing what was really going on with that situation on well, I like to say law enforcement want to keep it going so they can stay jobs. He don't know they can make money out d U I r s and get me a sign and go go, go get the d U I r s domestic violence, putting their kids through college right now. Man, But they're doing

somewhere else writing tickets. They they just get reassigned. If there's a reduction in crime, they get reassigned. Okay, they'll get me a signed. But can can the chief argue I want to hire more cops like they do all the time. Yeah, because I got I had five traffic accidents involving d U I s. So I wanna set up some d U I uh. But we got less crime than there was ten years ago, So why do you need more cops? You know, it's just it doesn't make sense. I'm just trying to cops mainly done by

by the amount of people that's in the area. You don't want to put all the white people unemployment. Next week we're talking about gipsy hustle. Next week because his lawyer, Christopher Darton, who was the prosecutor for the o J case back in the nineties. He quit, Yeah, he quit. I think it's back last I think he really took that case. You said that his family might have some money. I always said, I think he was doing a cloud chasing, and I really think that cloud his name out there

and his cloud chasing backfires on him. All right, we'll talk about that next week on the next episode of The Gangster Chronicles. I want to thank all y'all out there for listening. Please go to the Instagram page Gangster Chronicles and submit some questions, submit some ideas, and we'll talk about that next week if we like your question, and don't forget to also visit my platform street tv to check out that interview of the Emerald Gangster Bloods

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