JT The Bigga Figga Talks Dame Dash Stealing & Much More

We like to welcome you to another episode Against the Chronicles podcast and I'm with my dog. Yeah, and again for like the umpteenth week in a row, we have our special guest co host journalists extraordinary Mster Soren Baker.

Thank you for having me. Glad to be here and.

Live you know via saturllite San Francisco, not via satall like it's he live here in person. Say to you the bigger figure, the world's greatest hustling.

Come on with it, Saluke.

Happy to be here for sure, for sure, Man, do me your favorite brother, grab the Michael a little bit more towards you if you can.

We want to make sure we definitely hear and everything, yes sir, yes, sir, make sure we're hearing everything you can. So you know, we've been talking about these top fifty gangster rap albums of all time. We would kind of put that on pause this week because we do have a special guest in the house. First thing I want to ask you, man, is where did you develop your work ethic.

I'm born and raised San Francisco, Fillmore District. I come up under rapid fote hewmc as the forefathers in my neighborhood. Learning the independent game. Coming from where I'm from, I got to say two short e forty as the pioneers of I'm pressing up my own product and I'm putting it out myself. So that was my first example of my pursuit in this independent game was that I had to create the product which was recorded, and then I had to get the money to manufacture.

Manufacturing.

My first product was in June nineteen ninety two, and I always remember the price. I paid six hundred and forty nine dollars for five hundred cassettes that were duplicated at this place called Music Annex in the Bay Area. And I never knew that manufacturing you can pay.

But back then I wanted.

A record deal because I thought the record label pressed up the tapes. I didn't know there was a plant that they hire.

So I got that knowledge at a young age.

So that was my first order pressing up my own five hundred tapes. At that time, a cassette tape was ten dollars, so to make the inserts I paid maybe two hundred and fifty more dollars. I used the Polaroid camera. This is all independent, This is my independent beginning. When I seen that I did this myself, it put the confidence in me of what I heard eve forty and two sure doing. But as a teenager I paid for this. It ain't a bunch of tapes, but at one time pressing.

City Hall Distribution.

These were the two points that if you get your product there, it can go to the stores.

But before.

Just going to the distributor, I knew where record stores was at myself. So for me to go sell one hundred cassette tapes for five hundred dollars, but I paid less than a dollar for the cassette tape, but to make five dollars per unit, So I'm looking at twenty five thousand dollars potentially off of five thousand. My big homie launched me probably seven thousand. I was able to give him back his seven thousand with another five added on,

Press my own.

And then that same concept went to when I make films, shoot my own.

Film, and I got to print up DVDs.

Back then it was dhs, then it went to DVDs, so it was like casseette tapes.

Then now a CD costs.

In the store sixteen dollars, but to manufacture was a dollar twenty five. So just one thousand CDs is twelve hundred. That's how we did our math. Like a drug dealer. Even if I don't have enough to press up a lot, if I need to pay my rent or if i'm behind, I can remember I don't have a job, So let me make a new project and go just sell a certain amount of copies to get the money, and then

To get my name.

Going once, your name once, you got just any kind of fan base, I said, I could feed this to this population to keep some money. This would kept me from drugs, and this would make me have so many different albums and joint albums and compilations because every one of them represented a certain amount of money as soon as I print them up, you know what. So that that uh that that hustling, grinding't do it your self concept.

Some rocks or something. But it never worked good for me. The music worked it good.

I remember printing up ten thousand discs and I'm finna go pick up eighty thousand dollars. But this type of number in the streets for a kilo dealer, that's that's basic numbers. But to a teenager with discs, I'm going to pick up kelo money. R.

Kelo.

Guys started to look up to me, and I'm younger than them, but they had kilo money. The benz is the plug for the powder packs and all you know the weed.

You know how ballers get.

But that came a penitentiary time and the minister said, brothers, you are being used as a distributor for drugs. But instead of a kilo of cocaine, how about you cook a.

Kilo of yourself. Look at yourself as the kilo.

That means you have to create a product that you can sell yourself, whether that's selling dimer And you know how to make your chicken or your fish taste good. Some people have a barbecue grill that been having smoked. It been ten thousand barbecues been in there. When they cook in here, it have a taste. People buy that barbecue. They know when I buy this plate for the ten or the fifteen or the twenty. The same concept of making the album that I'm making in my mom house.

The money, not the money. It's your idea that's the money.

It's the currency.

Like literally that I say, damn okay. He said, do you know when you pray to God for something that he might give it to you in the dream, but you still got to fulfill it. You might have had the dream of yourself seeing yourself.

But now you might have to sleep on the floor. You might have to sleep, you know, you might have to h wise dishes. You might have to work at McDonald's. You might can't hang on the block no more. Wire My dreams so important. I can't gamble selling dope right now to go to the pen in nineteen ninety three, you get caught with a fifty shot a crack in

Because I want to be part of your new album.

But I knew I want to be on my own label though, So I learned from Sugar Knight, Herry Go Doctor Dre. I looked at the components. I looked at the movie Crush Groove Russell Simmons. His brother is a rapper. He don't got the money, his family don't believe in him. But he brought five thousand from JB. But he didn't pay JB back on time in the movie, and he was getting beat.

Up onto the movie. So I learned from that movie, if you bought the money, you got to pay the money back. I don't know what he was thinking about. They had already got some money. JB was like, I want to be part of the deal. Now I'm part of the whole thing now, Yeah, for sure.

So the concept that's the movie that taught me get a money back. Mm hm, that's the movie taught me.

Don't play with somebody who even trust you, even if it is a long shark.

If you agree to the terms, pay accordingly.

Because each person that gave me some money, I had to have a conversation and an understanding, and it wasn't on contract.

It's whatever we say right now, that's the deal words. That's how going boy listen. So in my hood, I didn't do no plan, but I was trusted if JT need money for any one of y'all, could get JT some money and he gonna bring back that plus some play.

And I'm pretty sure some of them ballers up there and Frisco saw how you was just getting that money without the stress of text when you say, dope, you can't sleep at night.

That's the part of the dream that I had wanting to be, Like, damn, I want to be like big Bro. Now, man, they got the packs, they you know, the money coming in, they got the guns.

Is yeah, they got everything that looked that be every nigg little nigga's vision in the hood. You see the big time nigga, it's like, man, shit, you don't be like I want to be the doctor, the lawyer or none of it. Like shit, them niggas down the block got it all.

That's exactly that, just just like you say, that's in every black neighborhood.

Whoever was popping with the packs, and I won't end on that. I want to.

But then I started to see the avenue of people that will say, well, I don't want to have to wait to hustle.

I'm gonna break in a baller.

House, I'm gonna break in this dash spot or he been fronting him, and shit, we gonna get on him because.

We know you getting it from him. That's the only reason why you got it.

So that concept of breaking the house and find your riches and start your career. But there was groups of guys and I never forget this made me don't want that life no more. A group of our young generation sixteen seventeen eighteen, they hit a nigga that's probably thirty twenty eight or a little older whatever, but he got the money.

Everybody know he brought out of control.

This group of seven or eight broken the spot, hitting for about folk kylos, about a hunting bands, some guns, some jury and whatever other little stuff.

They get away with it. These dudes all go buy cars. None of them had the money, and that it was known.

These the dudes that did it one by one, he killed them niggas or sent somebody to kick however, went until all of them was did bro.

This man killed all them.

Dudes and the hood never you know, I'm pretty sure they family won't get back whatever.

But for the.

Concept of man, niggas hit, but you hit your own folks.

And I watched that man didn't sleep till all them niggas was dead. All them cars and jewelry they had because their name was pop. It might have been a little bit more because they always able to buy cougars in and sky larks with candy paint. Now and niggas, where did you get candy paint money?

How did you buy such and such car? So the word you know, it ain't no secrets in the street. So all these niggas got money now, all of a sudden, one by one.

That killed my thought process of because I saw a few niggas in my hood that I felt like shit, I breaking this shit.

That ain't the move. So I stayed on the music.

But I watched others hit licks and become, you know, the guy that we wanted to become. They got bricks now or they got the weed, They got the whole, they got the druid, they got the cars, they got the clout, They got the name buzz it, but the price tag for that. The music definitely kept me. And that's why I think I developed so much with people. Be like, Bro, you just hustling that nigga. I say, Bro, I don't sell weed. I don't sell pussy. I don't

The other option, the other word, fuck it.

Just sell weed. It's legal, yeah, but when you I live in Atlanta, you know what I mean? CALLI niggas got in Atlanta bringing packs. The first five they bought, it was good, the next five it was good. The next time it's ten, it's good. It's about to be a twenty five pack coming in. That's when they get killed. That's that's that's the way. And I'm pretty sure Cally niggas do them niggas when they come here and thinking

Golden sick golden. It's always the golden ticket though coming from here with the work, going out of state somewhere, you can always double your money. So that that'd be the ambition of a nigga who don't, unfortunately have that talent to be an artist or whatever, you know, typical or basketball nigga or yuckball or whatever. Some niggas just and then some niggas don't know their potential. Like you say, some niggas just be stuck in the neighborhood because that's

You know, go ahead, jayg No, That I was what I was gonna say.

I think I got very lucky that I always was like, I want to be a CEO. I want to be like shit Night, I want to be like goddamn Eat forty. I want to be like too short, I want to be like ice Cube. Because this is a reality that can happen if you pursue your shit. It happened for them, So it was like evidence you feel me.

So then how did the vision expand from the in a minute city hall to trying to go throughout California, throughout you know, the Pacific Northwest.

At that point in time, you know, when cassette tapes CDs you could see the logo of the major label or whatever label, right, I.

Wanted to have one of it.

When I seen Eat forty slash JIB three million dollars, He's sitting at the coffee table.

With his feet up.

I'm like, God, damn it.

But I end up doing a deal with Priority for half a million, with no marketing, no district or only distribution.

And they just gave me a shot.

But I was so young, I didn't comprehend the workload of having a national distribution, where now I got to have reps or some type of asset or communication with people in other parts of the country. But back then it was no Internet. It was no uh, it wasn't no Facebook or no email.

You had to do that.

You had to work, and you had.

To use a Yellow Pages and make a phone call, and if that didn't work, you had to call the operator and say, can you patch me to New York I'm looking for this record label or I'm looking for this record store. You know, can you tell me some record stores.

In the area.

Man, that that workload is way different than somebody workload now posting something on their page and now it's you.

You can get pre orders off of that from the world expanding and wanting that.

Once I got that distribution, though with Priority, I felt good. Then I felt more pressure than I ever felt because I got the dream deal. Man, Doctor dre chronic album came through here you.

Know nwa hes q all this shit.

You feel Me jay Z when I signed, he signed through a company called Freeze. It wasn't even Rockefeller Records. It was Freeze through Priority. It didn't even say Rockefeller on it. And I remember him and Dame Dash's first show was in film and I got that footage and I just when I look at it and see the little ass chain, just the beginning they trying to get on you feel me our conversation. When that didn't go right, I was forced to go back to what people expected

It was a little baby impact.

It was a matter of fact, it was a big impact because master P came out when I'm about it, and then I came out with be Where Those a few months later and that was the first hip hop rap movie with a rapper from the Bay. Then moving to Atlanta some years later and making movies down there. That's when I got to feel like a movie star because bootlegging movies down there. They still had stores, but they were bootleg stores.

Some guy that got all the.

Movies and DVDs up in here and all the albums, some of them bootlegs, some of them got plastic on it. But he got his own burning machine right there. Any album you want, he can make it right on the spot. So when I would make my films at first, I was trying to sell them to the stores. Right I would come to the store, they got all my movies wrapped in plastic, they burned them. Back in the day,

Doing it, because like nigga, you actually stealing, yeah, nigga. But then Stanning became okay. When they made the machines, the bootleg a cassette tape. They didn't have bootleg cassette tape machines. We had a Panasonic with two a tape deck right here, what you're gonna record, and this the one you record on, and this high speed ubbing. I remember that exactly. But you still had to wait one at a time.

You feel it wasn't mass duplication, yeah at all.

But once it went to d DVD or CD and they got this tower, you put ten of them in there, hit the button, and.

Now I got your whole album.

They writing the name on it, put it in a little slip so down South made me famous with the movies. I didn't get the money at first, but I got the fame because now my product is feeding them. But they promote me because any new movie, the Bootlegger, that's what they thrived for to get it first.

You actually put out something that actually became a really pivotal project for independent filmmakers. You had something to do with Snow on the Bluff.

Yes, snowing a bluff one somebody else did that was the mecca. But for me to redo it and rehook up with Curtis Snow and activate them back in the game and made Part two and then Snoop played the part up in there. It caused big controversy, it caused lawsuits, it caused all type of shit.

But for the think the problem.

Was that the fact of that the man ran off with all the money on Kurt for the first one because Kurt didn't had nobody like me to talk, so we approached him about doing part two. Then he started talking about all his money, but Curt only did a deal for Part one, so Part two we done, but he put it in paperwork for trademarking it and then boom,

So I'm like, bro, we independent man fucked them.

We're gonna start Trafflix and we gonna make an app like they shit.

And God really blessed me to make it.

I had made all these movies and had no place to take them because Netflix only offered fifteen thousand dollars per film. I had ten films that I made in twenty fourteen. When I made these films, I'm on fire in the streets either I'm doing a deal with somebody. When I got they offer fifteen thousand for five years per film. That's one hundred and fifty thousand, and don't come back and ask for no more money for five no red and I can't go nowhere else.

I was like, man, I don't think I know what they're gonna tell you. Will you should be happy to have your film on Netflix. That's exactly what was the concept.

But I'm like, I want to actually, I'm from the independent game, like we supposed to make some money still, and to just give me one fifty, even though I know I probably didn't even pay five thousand per movie. I probably didn't even pay two thousand dollars per movie. But I knew if I signed this a scept the money, it's gonna be like a rapper signing a three sixty deal or a rapper signing an artist deal.

You happy to get the deal, you got your big check in front, but you know that might be the last one for a long time, and a lot of rappers have went through that. So me hearing them the horror stories, I just felt, I know these movies could be more valuable for me.

I rejected the deal.

I started track.

Fleix, I invested into a team to build me an app. I put my movies on my app, and from there, my reputation went up.

As this motherfucker right here, I tell you how influential it was. This ain't a mental, no controversy or nothing, but a lot of people have taken your intellectual liberties with your intellectual property have taken certain liberties because I remember when Dame Dash first came out with this app, right we built it. I'm hearing it like he got the technology from you, and he he just kind of.

Ran off and didn't give me a dollar. I got to put him on blast and tell the truth. But I don't use that as a campaign of crying about what a nigga did to me. I made it known to the public and then I stopped me and Snoop had some words, but I respect Snoop and that he helped me more than hurt me.

I don't know if it was his team, but.

Once the people who did the first and on the bluff saw Trap Flecks was under Calvin Brotis and it didn't had my name, he went straight at the Snoop. He never even came back, even said a word to me. I don't know if Snoop authorized that or did his label or his management jumped the gun and registered the

To move the dudes and the don'ts so I don't have.

Nothing, and I shot brother out, brother Snoop, my big bro out, and thank you for all the help and teaching me the things that I do know right now and how to conduct myself.

And to be real.

When you're dealing with a mega entity that is a Snoop Dogg bringing, it could have been very much somebody on his team that just jumped the gun and went and did some stuff without.

Us, without us having our agreement in place. And that's what I was heard about. And I think when Dame Dash saw me and Snoop had that issue right there, He's like, oh, I don't got to respect.

I'm gonna just run off with this software. And he did his thing, and then I.

Was vocal about it for a few days, and then at a certain point, I say, man, it's gonna look like I'm mad at snooping Dame, these two niggas I look up to. I don't like how it turned out, but I'm not that mad. And if I'm really truly JT the bigger figure, do it again. And then and then some time went by, and that's how I ended up going to Africa for a number of reasons. Number one, they invited me to come and ask for me to bring my JT skills to Africa to help their young

But the other part. Somebody told me, JT. You know you got trap flicks? Do you know in Africa?

They got software guys that live in the village and he might look poor as ever, but he can make anything with the computer.

You gotta find them that technology over there for them young brothers.

Now nah, they definitely, they definitely they listen.

Whatever knowledge is that, whoever get to it first is who's gonna benefit because a lot of times knowledge don't have the money right skin.

That's like a dope ass rapper.

Some dude right now, rap better than jay Z and Little Baby put Together and Drake. But we don't know him yet. He raw as ever right somebody know him. He ain't connected to the right person yet. That's what I found in Africa, the dudes who made my software. You would think these just some poor guys.

So how did they come to invite you? Like, how did that happen?

Man?

Somebody I don't know.

I don't even know how to Africa because I know nobody in Africa. But one of the big people called for a delegation from Black America Entertainment, film, entertainment, entrepreneurship, a basketball coach to see they basketball dudes to see if they can get some type of thing or baseball basketball. They had a doctor dude that was part of the delegation to try to bring how to help them with the malaria or different you know, illnesses, sicknesses.

So I was just part of a delegation that represent music and entrepreneurship.

So they did their background on me. They like, we want him.

So I'm like, shit, I'm on first class round trip, I'm on Hotel fool everything you feel me. I wasn't charging them, but they like we'll pay for all of that for you. We want you their bag. So when I go, I'm thinking I'm finna go over here and I'm finna hit them for some money. I end up going to a place that's really poor. I'm not finna get the bag. I'm thinking, you know, Africa, I'm knowing. I heard about his rich and his poor, but I landed in the real poor. But I felt a certain

Look at this place. If you could help us with a water well, all of our villages, all the tribes could benefit off this water well.

I say, how much is it? Six thousand?

I said, Man, I can pay for that right now, Man, I pay for that water well.

Man.

Do you know within twenty four forty eight hours, a truck pull up. I see this big stick come out I'm talking about. They put a thing on it instantly straight to the ground. I'm trying to figure out how like where the water coming from.

You know a waterwell.

I thought they dig a hole and bring the water to fill it. They're like, no, the water's under the ground. The water a thousand feet, we're really nine hundred feet. We could go three hundred feet JT for three thousand dollars, but the quality of the water might not be right. But if we spend the six thousand, we can go down nine thousand I mean nine hundred feet, and that's where we could get the purest water.

Probably the best water you ever had.

And listen, I say gonna go, go, go down. I want to get the good water. Man, when that water taste that water, I mean it took it took him, It took him some hours. But I'm just tripping on how they putting this metal stick down. I'm like, damn, so the water fing it come out from right here in this dry ass looking like desert type. Man, if we just had enough money to pay for all this drilling, we could have the water.

I'm like, why y'all just don't do it for your people.

Y'all got a truck right here, because the truck man want money, and we can't pay for it. Imagine a whole village full of people. They can't afford six thousand dollars to pay for a water with cause they still got to buy food, and they got to pay for the internet, and they still got to pay their rent. And it's so collectively chipping in money. I would think six thousand dollars shit. I see three four thousand people right there.

This is poor.

This the real poor. JT.

So this water you about to donate for us? I say, I want to put my mama name on it.

I want to call this mama Pearls water well, so I can call my mama, tell him I'm doing something good.

I want her name to go on this. Mama.

Look all these people finna get clean water. Now. Look right over here at this dirty water with goats and cows and people taking baths and different shit.

They gotta get this water to cook with tonight.

I said, uh uh, So I switched my heart from what can I get from them? To man six thousand, Bro, you could blow that money in Atlanta on the weekend going to get some outfits, you know, some bottles, some sections like you could blow five thousand in California.

I'm pretty sure on it. With nothing to show for it, but to pay for that.

I think that was what every day. You know what I'm saying.

Every day that money disappeared into the.

Night, fucking thirty thousand in the strip club to some naked assholes and shit like it's nothing and shit but.

Won't give a dollar if you tell if you called over there and asked them, same cats, hey, bro, donate five hundred dollars each, they'll look at you like you was crazy.

Hell yeah, they'll look at you.

You know the the I think in my whole life that was the best thing up to that point that I ever did in my life, because I'm like, damn, this little bit of money and they talking about this water well should last years, not like the water do went out? It's a lake up under there once they put that suction thing and whatever lake is under there, man, they putting that water up.

When did you you know I want to go back to something I want to go back to because we talked about Atlanta right the ground eas side. Everywhere you went seemed like you purchased property, Yes, sir, what neighborhood was there?

Or was that?

Alabama? Where you bought a whole city block that was Alabama. And it wasn't a whole city block.

It was like a half and it wasn't a big block, but it was big enough for me, you know what I mean.

It had a building on it.

And but before that, I bought land in west side Atlanta, Dixie Hills, Bankhead with Ti and then from and they were selling houses for twelve thousand and eight thousand, ugly beat up houses.

This twenty ten. I was there for two years.

I bought my first house was twenty five thousand for my homeboy he bought ten houses. I'm like, damn, you only uh twenty eight years old and I'm out here struggling in the Bay paying this rent and you down here owning ten houses. He like, bro, you should leave it, you know, come to Atlanta, boy, because it's like you can own a house and the music popping.

And zaytovein that's my little brother. I taught Jay tooven, how to make beats. He knew how to play video. Yes when and then I just said forget it, man. I moved in the house. I paid the rent. I remember it was one thousand dollars.

I moved out there with two thousand to my name, I just knew I was going to the right place. I didn't know exactly how I was gonna make it, but I had a magazine that me and Snoops started called Mandatory Business. I said, I gotta get my first customers. I got some samples to show the magazine because at that time, magazine still was popping. But I had to get people to believe in my magazine and pay me

UV coding, eighty pound paper, sixty pages. You know, I know my math.

I'm selling pages for a hundred two hundred. I'm selling the front cover for two three thousand. I sell it for a thousand because I can give you your copies with you on the front and give another guy his with his covers on the front.

So my printer was working with.

Me, and that's how I was able to have the extra money to feed my family. And then my catalog was going through digital distribution, paying me a check every thirty days. So I balanced them two things together, and that's how I was able to maintain and build up some money. But I'm like, I can't keep paying those thousand dollars a rent. I'm gonna buy this house for twenty five thousand. I built up enough. I gave him half. I was giving them two thousand here, fifteen hundred, you know,

Don't never come back up here no more, nigga, because the boy to have my wife call me and I got babies in this house, man, and I'm in a new hood.

This is my first altercation. I'll say nigga at my house. I'm shooting, so I just want a nigga.

No.

Now, I know they could have came back, did whatever. I'm like, Nigga, this is my land, though, Nigga, this mine. I'm going all gas, no breaks. A couple of the og saw what happened. They told them, niggas man fall back from that nigga up there broke because he up there, he gonna shoot, but he ain't been bothering nobody around here, you feel me? So I started meeting more niggas. Then we all kind of got cool. But I just that was my introduction niggas.

I noticed some in Wonder films. You had all of them, dudes, if you really wanted to, you could have probably signed what's the boy's name? This got hot, this fish creased down.

Young dug, migosgos, all the huge shits your movies. Haven't meeting them, dudes, They always just in the area. I'm just a people person, so I'm a network the young niggas like Figg.

You should work with him.

I'm like, Damn, this nigga looks strange as hell, this young thug character. Bro.

Fuck with him. Bro, the people love him bro, like he's somebody I'm telling you fuck with him, so I start fucking him. I looked past the weird shit, and you know, it was cool. Our music and the shit we did it was impactful. The Migos. When Gucci Me and Gucci Man did an album, he signed some dudes called the Migos, but they was getting so much trouble off setting them going to jail, different shit. Then Gucci Men ended up going to jail, so he sold them to QC P.

They had another label at.

That time, but when they signed Me Migos, they say, these guys is good enough to put the real bag behind. They started a new label called QC and then that shit took flight. So just being part of this, you know, I remember paying Future thirty five hundred to come do my birthday party. That was in twenty thirteen. I was turning forty years old. I had been in Atlanta for three years. My name was going up. I got some money coming in. It's like I'm getting planning into the

So most times the hood never added theyself.

You know, nigga's gonna disagree, or somebody try to run off with some or a nigga stole some. You know, like different little shit where you're getting your manhood tested. It ain't worth crashing out. But sometimes shit happened. That can make it easy to make you.

Be like, man, I'm finna crash out on these niggas, But that wasn't I didn't go down there for that.

I went down there for success.

Because you had altercation down there, because you got shot down. Yeah, I got shot two different times. Both of them attempted robberies that I wasn't just agreeing to because I know, once you get robbed, nigga, that's it, hang up, hang up the street. Shit you is knew you a lunch meal.

Now every nigga who was somebody who had little studies and once they got robbed, they start becoming the target. With multiple robberies now, multiple attempts, niggas testing them both minds.

I wasn't going and then I wasn't tough. I just already signed up for it. Like bro, don't just cause a nigga got a gun, don't mean because a nigga point you supposed to just hair up and gil shit up.

Sometimes it ain't no bulletsing the motherfucker. It's a fifty to fifty chance. But when somebody that you showed love to try to rob you.

You might resist a little bit more like bru, what is you doing?

Bro?

I'm robbing you today, robbing me today. You know, imagine the nigga you've been fucking with two three years and one day he say, Bro, I'm robbing you today. I'm like, hold on, You're like what the nigga, Bro? They kept asking me for the money? Now, real robber, shoot you in the legs, say, bitch ass niggas, ain't no game, nigga, Come on with it. Okay, you know what it is. But when the nigga like, Bro, you gotta give us

So Jack could be able to say we ribe feed, but what ended up happening.

I just kept praying our lot of one Master frod Muhammad, the one minister Farcid told us, brother pray to how we pray, how you Elijah Mohammed prayer? How you think we protected?

I lie?

Real, you got the call on him, but you can't depend on him when you think you just in trouble.

You gotta talk to him beforehand, and you gotta do some good.

So I was feeding people. I'm trying to go do the good work all that.

Imagine me feeding people, and right after our feed then niggas come talking about the robbery shit. But I've been in here for three four years, so I could have gave it up. All they had to do was hit me in the head a couple of times with the pistol.

Then I would have gave it up. It wasn't that.

It was the demand with the pistol and the words and the threat of it. I had a baby the day before. There was no way possible.

I'm going back to the hospital or bringing my wife home or my brand new daughter and all my kids.

I got ride for our money.

And what's so cool? He threw all that in the movie. I had to That's how I knew about it was like the real life thing.

You saw something my real guts, the real surgery, the real morphine, and oh we gotta do emergency surgery. They got their cameras out. I'm like, what fuck? That gave me my camera? Because I ain't dead right now.

I don't know what's gonna happen, but I know y'all got y'all hands in my guts and nobody gonna believe that my stomach split open like this, and they and there talking about we.

Gotta stop the bleeding.

So I'm like, shit, let me put this on my That was just another thing of my type of mentality.

Of turn it into something. You gotta turn your pain and your ill into something. If you do that, that's the most powerful thing. Is a man who his wife left from or something, and now he got to use that pain to go further. Or the Homies betrayed you, like nah, not the bros, Like yeah, the bros played me bro Okay, you can't call on them no more.

You actually got to do it on your own. That'll drive a nigga to become successful exactly.

Then DJ Quick say.

Some of his song about he had the Homies and something in the studio or something, and he came back to the studio was gone. He's like, oh shit, I'm gonna make me a way. Next thing, you know, we got a whole new hit record.

And it's always those closest to you because you've seen to always be in the right place at the right time. Because I heard one of my partners was telling me, I don't know, I don't remember where I heard it from actually, But when Pe was in the Bay and he first started doing this thing, wasn't nobody really messing with him? They said, you was the first one to step up and say, you know what, I'm aa fuck with this dude.

He'm gonna give him a chance because he was garbage and I'm gonna keep it real. He became a better artist that we appreciated. But in the beginning, like bro, that ain't it them songs?

Ain't it? Then? Beats? Ain't it in the way you're rapping.

He's from New Orleans, so he had We wasn't used to a rapper with a different voice.

First of all, that's number one, you got a whole.

South was We wasn't used to that not coming out of our section.

We was used to it coming from So we looked at him as one of us. We didn't know you born and raised down there.

You the gangster, You a real gang You a real gang member.

From Nigger to Calio projects.

When I worked it with him and put the stamp and showed him how to go get his graphics done, how to go get his uh uh, how to put the album covers on the inside. If you got something new, put it on the inside. I taught him all of that. They used the hell out of that for many years and listen.

And that was the beautiful He was the king of that album coming out and that concept.

I'm the first person to put out ten albums in one year, you feel me. So that being in the right place at the right time. I think what it is is given a person that looked like Underdog a chance at the right time, like the rapper of the game. It was four hundred rappers. Minister Farcan said, I want all the rappers to come see me with me and

I told the world. I put him with Nad's Escabar on QB. The Compton, Me and Dad Dilling just just did long beast to fill mo so off that buzz finding a new artists, how do I launch them?

My man's had eight unreleased NADS songs. I say, man, let me get them songs. I'm gonna blend it with my new artist the game and called it QB. The Compton Nas in the game to the people would look like they together. But Nas was having beef with jay Z with Ether and uh whatever them two songs and niggas were going back and forth. Right in the middle of that beef is when I dropped the game Shit and it made them hot, fishing grief.

Nas was on the cover of Double XL. On that cover is the game.

The Black Wall Street Shit that I had and the albums that I got coming out the.

Next issue fifty cent Doctor Dre eminem on Double XL cover.

If I would have waited one mo month to put me an Ad out because I went with the Knaves because it was hot, I didn't know Doctor Dre. And then was Finna grab fifty cent and it was Finna be a cover that was their biggest cover ever. But long story short, finding Game and marketing him in the double XL on a national scale, he was able to take the songs that I paid for and go shop around and then do new songs up the mixtape circuit.

He went got his own deal. I can't claim that he went.

He went four way with you.

Small world.

It is small world.

That that whole concept, that whole concept. How that really happened. People got to say j T the first he predicted it. I couldn't say it was for sure. I just said he is the prototype. He he he tall, he rapping like fabulous. He sounded like shine. But he talking la gang Bang raps. To me, I thought, I'm like, this is him sure?

And then he became that.

So when I work with young Thug, this is years later, this is this is me and Game was two thousand and two and Me and Thug was twenty twelve, So like ten years later, I take a chance. He ended up becoming something great. Me and Future. I bring Future out here. You know, we bring the migos to the bay. They like, who the hell is these guys?

Man?

Two months letter man, bro, what man give me another, give me Kuavo number, give me I say, bro, I brought Future. Y'all didn't care nothing about the future, the migo or young Thug. But as soon as they hit the radio station out here, that's when everybody like.

Man, that's who the dudes dig brung out here. J T brought them dudes.

Man.

All they in the movie was, ah, that's the same dudes.

Yeah, m yeah, you didn't one thing about it though. You ever recorded a lot of songs with the game? You owned the Masters?

Correct?

Okay, so he was able to get some retribution. Then I had to go. I had to go do it. I know, whack one hundred. He wasn't happy, you know, all these years letters saying that I was stupid. But I was, like, I told Game, give me two hundred and fifty thousand. When I went to Afterman, first of all, told them bring them to the Masters in a copy of my contract.

They seen it. They say this authentic. But we don't want to buy this album.

Were working on a new album, and if we buy this album from me, it's gonna come out of Game's budget. And he don't want to authorize that. But if he wanted to get me out the way. That was what the smart thing to do. He didn't want to see me get no money at all, like, oh that shit is old man, that shit ain't nothing. Then I went straight to Cotch sold it to them. HM Game called me before I sold it and said I give you seventy five thousand and just go away. I said, I

In the world. Two fifty ain't nothing.

So when Whack one hundred did an interview not too long ago, he was saying JT was stupid for that, I said, well, first of all, I invested twelve thousand dollars to do all them songs, studio time, hotel bitches for them, couple outfits, some weed, twelve man's forty songs.

But they was talking to white men power shit JT JT thing. I say, hold on, man, I just signed it. It don't say iTunes on my contract. It don't say nothing about streaming. It only say records, cassette tapes, vinyl for distribution worldwide.

And they could have kept doing that if they wanted to. But you go take the digital rights and do what you want to do.

Because digital I don't even care about a cassette tape or a CD no more. Once it went to that, I was smart, I'm like, shit, well I'm going digital. I'm not arguing with them. But how many tapes did we sell? How many we shipped? They line you know how to recollect?

Oh we shipped this and we paid for that, and we all man yeah, and then we got a whole eighty. Man. If you don't get up out of here with this game, shout out to digital. Whatever money be made they take, they cuts into your rest. I like that now if they scam it, it's working because I like a check every month.

They don't even got to be a big one. It just got to be a check. And it ain't even a check, it's a direct deposit. So on the first of the month, everybody with Digital Council, we all feel happy because whatever's in it, something is on your in your bank account.

So I do a lot of niggas hate digital.

They hate digital for the lack of the quick turnaround time based upon putting your shit out digitally. There isn't a revenue that comes in for months. A lot of times, even if you just pay for promotion. Imagine you spend thirty thousand dollars on promo of your new album, and you spend ten thousand recording and making it, and so you had about forty maybe ten more, so you had like a fifty.

That album might not do nothing.

You might be making thousand dollars on the first month if that, because it's still take time to catch unless you're a person with a buzz already, so niggas without that buzz, you not finna be getting no ten bands every month or no fifteen bands yet, it's not gonna happen.

But you still get credit for every spin.

So that's what you call creative marketing within your streaming to make the money come in.

You see what I'm saying. And I have failed to do this all the way.

But when I go in the back office and see they got somebody sitting there and they taking this whole album and they finish chopped, they finna make this album.

It's ten songs. They got forty five videos.

Did you just hear me? It's the same album. It's forty five with creative type.

Lyric video like lyric video, ric video, the.

Real video, the dirty ricks with the clouds cloud that's the lyric video. Yes, the emotional other videos to the motherfucking song. It won't even beat the video. It'll just be some clips of you man, and it'd be like that is the other part that most rappers is not doing, and or the label who has the rapper.

And you can't forget about the fan videos because fans now sit up there and make videos.

Get credit for your money.

Come to YouTube if you register properly, did you.

Hear that the registration of the song very important because your YouTube money and your streaming money.

On my YouTube account.

I had not set it up right, so if I played one song, it could be my song. All the money from this video go to that one song, even if it only come on for ten seconds, if that song played within your YouTube or anybody's song. So I was like, how come I'm not getting my YouTube credit but it's going to the distributor because I want my YouTube money kind of like to come to me. But my man's was like, you got to set it up right.

That check come to me too. But I want my shit to be separate because you're supposed to get paid off.

You know what's funny. You know what's funny about you saying that. I told them I managed Rapping and Glasses Malone, and I told him, I said, bro, you ain't never got to check from your YouTube channel. He got videos on there getting million, Tupac Munchs died two million views.

Right million.

You didn't even get that check, And I said, dog, I asked the distributor, I said, why are you claiming videos off of this. You didn't upload this, you didn't do it. Well, you know we part of distribution. He uploaded that himself.

You didn't do no work for they got access to the channel.

So we got that fixed. We got everything snacked from them and got them snatched off of there. Now he getting his checks now. I said, bro, that's all your money. I told ate the same thing I told eight when I saw his channel, I said, bro, you got this up there, you need to have MC eight on there.

You know, dinner time is over now now denter.

Time got to be over because the proper registration is only a mistake of an artist, the lack of adding them. That one album with ten songs, but on YouTube, that thing got forty five different variations that all paid.

It pays the person it pays. So it's people that have a.

Song and all they got is girl's booty shaken from YouTube or from Instagram. You know how they got the girls to do their They take them videos, but the audio is what the distributors claiming. But this video, whoever on the YouTube channel, that portion of the money goes to, so it's a separate. But there's guys that all they're doing is putting booty girls on a fucking song. And I'm like, bro, these girls ain't dancing to this song. But the way they edited it, they mixed it.

They mixing it. It's the part of the song two hundred thousand use.

If the Booties wasn't on there, I don't think it probably would have did them numbers. But since them Booties on there, it's the same song. But it got the booties playing that concept or against the song. And you see Hella shootings or something. Somebody got the dry Bys or something. You know, the gangster rapper, he's showing clips from all that they downloaded, but his song is playing.

That concept.

Is like, you could take your whatever last album you put out and do that same concept right now with just video visuals, with your music playing on the channel, and when you load it up money, don't putting nothing in between a different video of something else.

Nope, take the dead two or however long to fill it up.

So you could release them and they all stand order like you didn't put nothing else in between it. It's like a bundle pack for you present you representing this album again, but it had.

A whole other video that it might be you might not be you back in the day.

Remember how we used to do the Maxi singles. You do a single, you might have two or three re then you might have another version which you rapping on there. You feel what I'm saying. It's a single off feature purposing. Yeah, yep, repurposing the thing. You know what? It reminds me of Man. I remember shout out to the homies that rap a Lot.

Right.

I ain't gonna say my man's names. I don't want to get him in trouble. Yeah, but my man who wound up waiter on going to rap a Lot. He was telling me we was coming from Vegas. That's when we had did to deal with high seat down there rap a Lot. So we coming from Vegas, right, and he was telling me, man, I miss E and my He used to be an executive E and I and he told me that. You remember, at one time everybody had million dollar budgets for videos, half million dollar budget

Yeah, it's a different bark call.

It's cool. But meantime, meanwhile they running it up over there with the other thing.

Now that that back door in the music industry, go back to Marvin Gay and them.

And before I was about to say this, before that, because it's.

Always back next our generation nineteen ninety two, I remember the news report that came out that said, uh Biz Marquee and Rob based DJ Easy Rock two albums that came out. They both sold a million records. The copyright infringement came in. They didn't get none of the money.

Joy and Pain.

Who was that rank?

Okay, Frankie right. They took the whole song Frankie Beverly and just wrapped on top of it and looped it.

They didn't change nothing.

That is when I got scared in ninety two not to rap on samples my tape that came out in June. My man had got a couple of old records and we looped at how y'all was doing y'all thing right when that happened.

That happened around July August.

By November December when I dropped my tape, I had interpolation so I would play something over and I never had to pay a copyright off.

So we did we you know, it laid a lot of my shit over once that lawsuit. Shit started, like you would put your album out, then they come take all your money.

Oh No.

I worked for a publishing company and I remember when they was about to hit Dre and them for the one song, all these niggas and all those because they had sampled what was that dunk dunk.

Dumb, that's motherfucker looking for that good stuff.

Let me tell you, I worked back, work back. I worked for Minded Music. They owned the publishing for that because what they did was Minded Music did. And it was funny how Karma come back on people, all the cats to rob the Gap band and then Minded Music came and got his ass right, so they had all the gap on the record label. Yeah, they had all the gap the gap bands published and they had the Fat Back Band. What was cold about that though, is

Was just a waste his time, because it did because he actually had sampled it, or he actually used it.

Yeah, he actually used it. I don't give him the money.

Man.

We still we're still on tours and we still.

Because that's what John said. I said, you can put a season desists. He said, no, why would I do that? This record is doing phenomenal. I said, well, when we go take him the court? He said, we go. Wait, he said, I think it's approaching platinum.

Yeah, wow wow.

Then the check was.

Bigger speak gonna rap a lot. Jay Prince told me that too. With the he had signed the producer seven and when he was doing all this stuff with he was signed to Rap a Lot as a producer, and when he was doing all the stuff with Murder was actually signed. So he said, all my way till jar Run and Shanti through their business, then I'm gonna go. He goes, why am I gonna step to him?

Now?

That's the game, and people do do that though, because Young Thug was signed to five different record.

Labels when the big blow up. So you know, I'm pretty sure everybody got compensated. But I just if you sign a deal for this album, everybody get a deal and then this producer or this executive he fall off or they go separate ways.

Whatever.

Another dude coming, like, I put the money behind Thug drop a mixtape. Okay, that came out, then that didn't work.

Another guy come, I put some money up, So thug was like, shit, whoever got some money to.

Put a record out?

But then within that contract though, there were stipulations.

That you are my artists in some form of fashion.

So once he got the big deal, all the dudes that had a contract, they would know he's my artist. Now he's my artist.

But it's so much money involved them. All them dudes went away. Whatever check got handed out, it just went silent. Sometimes it's just a matter too them. Niggas all got that money. You two fifty, you go get seventy five, you gonna get yeah, yeah, just go away.

You know what I mean? Yo?

Yeah, because some people like shit, getting two three hundred thousand from a nigga and you you gave him twenty five thousand two three years ago, and now it's finna happen, and it's finna be a quarter.

Million, and so that's good money.

It's a good investment.

That's all I'm trying to say. That's it right there.

You know what I'm saying.

All way, don't never come back. It's over for two fifty, Come on with it.

Yeah, let me ask you this broke because you've been around for a long time, you don't saw all the incarnations of just like everything go from having the Street

I think.

I think the internet really just opened the door for people to be show they asks you feel me, and that will become the new content like Jerry Springer.

But now every day, all day with random people's Jerry Springer.

And it's not just per se the shock of you're not the father or you are the father.

It's the nigga with the gun.

It's the girl doing something nasty, it's it's anything that that's not considered your mom and dad or granting them you wouldn't do this in front of them. I think the art of the Internet and people longing to be famous has made people just really go to through all kinds of steps to be a celebrity, and they don't even have to be like we consider celebrities like artists, like ourselves, movie stars, or you know famous sports figures. Motherfucker a bit slapping herself with a cake and shit

Don't me.

Back when I was a kid, you know, my uncle worked at the gas company.

He was a normal motherfucker.

You know, he didn't have visions of I gotta be the next you know, Wesley, or I gotta be the next you know. You know my auntie worked as a nurse. She didn't go fuck. You know, I gotta start taking I gotta get in Playboy, or I gotta be in Pinout.

You know what I'm saying.

Some people were just regular, our the generation now I think because of like I said, everything is monetized.

Now.

You give me YouTube and only fans and Instagram and everything you can make a dollar out of. And then it's ridiculous as the steps people are take. Like I said, nobody's comfortable with being normal. You get me a job, because before I discovered that I could write a song or tell a story or whatever. My visions was to be a normal motherfucker, you know, until I was introduced to the gang life and selling dope and whatever whatever. But like I said, I didn't plan on, you know,

Do you know what I want to say? That who's single handily? I think who's single handily? Now when I'm hearing you say that, we gotta say, look at this word YouTube right right. First, it used to be films that somebody make to show us. But somebody said, how about we make a platform where you gonna be on the tube the regular person.

I think that was a thought. Let's take the camera off of let's let's create it ourselves. We're gonna put the camera on the regular people and thet's see what they do. Because that's crazy, as he when I just listened what you're saying. And I think before social media.

It was YouTube was a big thing where you can be somebody, right, and that's how they market it. YouTube it's about you upload your yourself doing your life.

We I'm gonna give you us both some game and I'm gonna tell you what they're doing. Rupert Murdock, I think is the guy owns Fox. Right, Yes, these platforms do. I'm gonna tell you what YouTube's grand plan is.

Right.

YouTube also has YouTube TV where they have a bunch of fast channels on that right, a bunch of channels. Black people are good for bringing attention to stuff, right. You know we're consumers, right, We a lot of us are consumers, not owners. We bring attention to stuff. So now you got guys like, let's say, like our YouTube channel got like a couple hundred thousand people on the right, he might have fifty thousand, his may have three hundred thousand.

Right.

When you add that up all these music channels, you got people that are own they're now right, that are signed up for YouTube. If you notice, they're starting to crack down a lot of stuff. You seeing people get their channel snatched down left and right right with that bullshit. Okay, we're letting you go. They're building it up, bro, They're using other people to build their platform, right, and they gonna snatch you all this away from everybody else pretty soon.

We do on YouTube.

Am I right?

Egg right?

And my line is talking? You mean yeah, just talk to y'all, just audio, just playing audio. So I get people come to me because everybody thinks that, oh, it's just easy. They get up there talking. They don't know about Yoh, you gotta do research. You gotta have something to actually converse with these people about when they come on. Right, So I get people to get mad when they see me working with somebody. I don't sign everybody. I don't sign people no more because it's too much of a

Man?

Why you put that ugly hell on? I respond back with, who is this She is trash, she's boring. You should have fucked with me again? Who is this man?

She canceled.

I just blocked the number because he hasn't revealed himself. People aren't even men nowadays in this culture because they can hide behind the screen right. Have you ever noticed that you may have a fan that's talking shit to you, and then once you acknowledge him, like, what the fuck is it that you want?

Dude? I don't even know you. Oh, I just wanted to talk to you.

Man.

I didn't have people come on my page and say shit. And then I'm like, let me go hit this motherfucker director. I ain't gonna respond. And then I go to my messages and he didn't have messages months ago praising me or something that he wanted to interact. But this message that made me look on his page was some negative. But when I go to send them a message, it's messages that I never respond into.

That David trying to work with me, you probably didn't even know you had. I'm a bitch ass nigga open in my on these messages. Man, what's up? Bro? Hook up with me? That's connected. Dudes like that just be want your attention. I get that sometime. And then once you acknowledge, because like you said, I'm not gonna get on you know, platform, in front of everyone, So you'll go to a messaging motherfucker and as soon as you say something to a motherfucker, they'll be instantly Oh my

I'm an influencer.

Your affluence in motherfuckers to be neckdake ass. I mean, that's your content that you bring.

You never take the time out to learn the business. Everybody think is they got a YouTube channel, they got a thing. First of all, I've seen people go out in the vista enormous amounts of money into YouTube, right. The first thing I tell let me say, Okay, you spent fifty thousand dollars on building this elaborate sit right, got you a building you're paying rent on every month. It's cool that you're making that YouTube money, but what happens when you YouTube? Besides that they no longer want

Hundred thousand, right about to graduate from my first plaque, and I got hit, hacked or whatever the hell, right, and that's the second time I got my JT. The bigger figure page took in twenty sixteen. I was like about sixty some thousand at that time. But that was good for me because for what I do, that's more than enough for what I'm selling. Right, Shit, if a thousand people out of sixty thousand was tunked in, I

You know.

That was my way of communicating. Losing that shit is losing your money. Losing your account is losing your money. So part of why I have this traffics at right now. Trap flicks for me is something I can continue to

We not taking advantage of posting shit.

Watch when it's tightened up and it costs money to post, and you gotta put credits on your account. Exactly, you can't go live. You ain't got no more credits. That's about to happen.

Boy if right now they told all of us it's nineteen ninety nine, right now to have a deluxe Instagram account where you can still go live, we'll all pay the nineteen dollars. If they got a billion subscribed, Theykka's made twenty billion dollars in one month. Because nobody's gonna say, oh, I don't want my Instagram account no more. You're gonna pay that money.

Like when they start opening for Motherfuckers to Blo the Blue Chicks, which I thought was ridiculous. I said it, and you saw everybody ego, the ego of the person.

Listen. Did you know when you go listen bro at down South?

World Star hip hop was very important to your campaign live mixtapes. World Star two components that you paid to put your album to get your buzz right, one thousand dollars to put your video on world Star on the regular box. Hell of people paying a thousand to get their video. You want to be on the big box, the middle box, next one up, thirty five hundred. You want to pay for the bigger box five thousand and six thousand and seven thousand dollars and you can be

Little did we know? No, it ain't just because it's a bigger box. They got an algorithm set up on this box that's going to hear a million views. So we like me.

Paying for that. Those are the bragging rights down south is how many views you got? Oh, you're in a big box. Okay, he got his shit must be popping.

Okay.

We pay for the ego of being able to say that.

I got a million views. I don't hear people talking about paying for world stars like how I used to hear. But that was a way to get your your video out JT.

This brings me to a question. A lot of what you've been talking about is different cities, different stages, different eras. What made you want to and actually move so much and be in so many different places because so many people stay in one area their whole life.

I think what I learned is that the mistake I made and the wind that Matt P made is that even though his kickoff for master p was the Bay Area, it wasn't down south. First, it was us, but he saw this ain't big enough, and it's other places that we can go that we can have an impact and.

His money go further down there and be able.

To become something that's not there. And that is the mistake that I made. I never forget Master P Silk the Shocker see murder King George.

They pull up to my house.

They going on the promo run to go to Milwaukee, Tennessee, Oklahoma. It's about ten twelve days and they invited me to come. And I can only remember paying master P five thousand dollars to deteck my posters and my flyers and put them up wherever he put his shit up at.

I don't know if he did it or not. We paid them the five thousand.

That was a big fucking mistake because I would have been known in them places if I just would have did the promo. But since it wasn't paid and Pete toombout going on promo tour, it didn't sound exciting to me.

That was a big mistake.

When I saw his results in sales and all these other little country towns in different places, and these are places that I should have went to go at least do a campaign run. I didn't know nobody and none of these other cities. But Master p knew these people from going on the promo run. So I was seeing the results of that through the priority deal. How it helped him to be national because he drove to them places and passed out shirts and tapes and CDs and

The same thing happened with Short when he moved to Atlanta.

Now that's the other thing too. Short moved out to Atlanta and got a brand new start. Yeah, fucking with Little John and them. Eve forty moved to Atlanta and got a new start. That's Oakland, that's Valeo, I represent Fresco.

So forty moved to Atlanta. Yeah, he stayed out there for about two years. Yeah, fucking with little just card Yep, I'll never forget it.

Like damn forty Water came back harder when he came back, too short, came back with the vengeance. But he left because that war that was happening in Oakland was deadly and he didn't want to be no parts of that shit. He took hisself up out of that and I had to do the same thing. War happening in my area, Like, man, I ain't part.

Of this war. My hood, all my bros that that we loved each other, now they all want to kill each other and then started doing it, and I'm like, man, I ain't part of this shit. I'm taking film Mo with me. Y'all can have Field Mod the Gang. I'm i'ma gonna make film Mode the game independent Gang. Yeah, we're gonna be known.

I want Field More to be known as what used to be us Hella entrepreneurs.

Then he went to gang banging and killing.

Gangbanging killing have dominated us for the last Damnar fifteen twenty years. No motion of entrepreneurs taking flight from our projects.

The best thing happened.

From our hoods so far is the mayor of San Francisco London Breed is from fill mo out our projects. Let's do so that's the biggest example of somebody who come from a real project, Like she went to our school, everything with us.

She the fucking mayor. Now that should make some other people who want to go in that vein. You know, I don't want politics, but just for somebody from the projects.

Now, I know the dude she was. She was planning a position and the and the current mayor had died. She was the closest person to the mayor, and I guess the people said, how about give her a chance? And then some other people were bigger money like, nah, we don't want her. But the people remember her from being with the mayor that died. She fucking along got the job. That's a dope store. He died and she wasn't linked up to be no mayor.

She knew all the business of how the fucking dang run because she was under the mayor, the city, all the ins and outs, and.

They trusted her so yeah, and they trusted her son.

Before we wrap it up over here, man, I want to ask you this, man, do you get a lot of cash wanting you to consult for them?

Ever since the No Jumper interview, I think the No Jumper interview and this is crazy to me. The whole time I was in Africa, I've never saw a black American rapper or even a black American go to the slums of Africa and do what the fuck I did.

I built three water wells. I'm feeding thousands of people. Do you know it was zero press on me. Nobody highlighted. Man, this motherfucker JT is in the fucking Burkina fossil They blowing up busses over here. They killed fourteen villagers over there. Meanwhile, I'm like, man, you could die in America at a gas station, Nigga. This seemed most safer to me with terrorist attacks in Africa than being in Atlanta, jo or La or San Francisco because of the murder rate and

The No Jumper ship was the first thing to highlight.

Me a big platform to say j T. Bro, my people, you know Item twenty two hit me. I've been wanted to go on there. I just didn't know how fucking around he hit me direct talking about man. My people said, I need to talk to you and get you in here. They telling me you got a story that they ain't been told and I need to be I'm like, damn, that's crazy fucking right. He like, I need you here three days. I'm like, I'm coming. I drove from Atlanta

Too, right.

I say, Bro, this shit gonna seem like a fake ass story, but it's a real story because it seemed too good to be true all the elements of my life and what I've been through.

And I have a NonStop career of thirty one years. From June ninety two to right now, I never went to sell dope again, even though a few thirsty moments niggas had a few pounds.

Yes, I did grab a few pounds. The prophet wasn't good and I didn't like that.

I said, nigga, I can go to jail for these pounds, nigga, And that's all the profit off each pound.

Oh no, that's a movie in itself. Man, exactly.

You know before we go, Man, I want to ask you just one more question, man, Tupac. I think people forget a lot of times. He's from the bay. He's a baby dude, you know, came up with ray Love and all of them cats. Shout out Ray Loved, humboyant dog and all them cats. Right, they finally man done what the streets.

New for years?

Right?

They put Keefy d in jail? How many years later? Twenty six twenty six years? Do you think this is a publicity stunt? Do you even think it makes sense?

Do you know every podcast I just went on they said something about it and nicking. My answer to that, I think that shit fake in some kind of way, because why would you do something that you know there's no statue of limitations?

Right?

I think he got paid to say he was in that car.

Bro.

Now, the streets being in La jt Nah is confirmed, I say, But why would he go tell this shep and then keep trying to confirm that he handed a gun at a murder of a famous.

Cloud or he got paid.

It's either he wanted to credit the sheet so bad because they said something about he got immunity.

Tell us who killed Tupac Anderson? He's dead, will do okay? Case should be closed, right, So that is probably what gave him more strength or confidence to talk to.

V Lad that we all know.

Whatever you sit on that motherfucker you you you got to you got to stand on that. Then they say he wrote a book where he detailed it.

Again. I say, bro, that shit can't be real. What street nigga gonna say they did this ship right?

It's money involved? Okay?

Well, how well he go? Another theory that's going around that you probably heard. He's so mad at P Diddy nigga for not getting his money. He don't mind going down if he could take P Diddy down. You think might go to jail for this ship if it's true, because how do you supposed to give me a million dollars in a nigga you get a million dollars too?

He run off?

So does that mean P Diddy paid because the money didn't make it to him, So how could he go down for it if the other nigga ran off with the money?

Yeah, but that make him almost like if this is all true, that makes him a.

Conspiracy A conspiracy man, I don't I don't know what it is. So it's crazy. It's crazy. Can people get X you at bro Man? They could get at me?

First of all, I would ask anybody who watched this interview, if you want to support me? Man, I'm about to be fifty years old and a few more days god willing, I said, I don't want to be rapping at fifty, So I want to be like Bill Gates and Steve Job. Both of them started out with not that much. Both of them didn't graduate, but they got the hold to some coding. Bill Gates didn't write Microsoft. Another person did,

Right.

Steve Jobs didn't write the Apple code. Steve Wisniak is the other Steve that you don't hear about. He the one that wrote it. So what did I learn from these two dudes? Buy my own codes for software so that I can be able to license my software and grow from that. So I want everybody to download my app Trafflicks. Man, I'm proud I just got it back. Going shout out to my people in Nairobi, Kenya, all the developers who developed it for me, because it's original coding.

You can tafinitely build after.

This show, bro, Because yeah, y'all go be able to find a link for trap flicks down below right there in the description.

This iOS platform and on the Google androy phone is free.

We will have the Google platform and the iOS platform down there and JT the bigger figure Instagram them two things right there. Man.

That's how we tap in. And I appreciate y'all boys man for having no real shit.

Ain't listen.

I told my man, I said, I supposed to go back to the bay, but I remember me and you talked.

I say, I better text things. I said, man, what it was? Somebody told him?

They said, you know how the internet is, why you couldn't go on the black platform. I don't know why they'd be just and I said, well, I said, well, he said, none of the brothers invited me. I said, hey, man, we're black over here. That's why I'm like, oh yeah, I forgot. I did have somebody.

That's why I had to come down here and make sure I pulled up in box.

I wouldn't go because you know how the internet is, they want to get all involved in this stuff.

So if you hear me direct and I told you, I say, nah, no disrespect you did.

I forgot.

And I didn't know. Remember, I didn't know who you was. I didn't know if this you was real. When we was pulled up, I said, man, let me get my pistol I real quick, make sure this is the real guys, because I didn't know. Remember, I don't know your face. But when you say eight, I'm like, well I know that man right there. He had been like, man, you got to call because he stayed on the internet.

Man, Okay, he still salute my.

Okay, okay, So yeah, brother, nah man and and and whatever knowledge that I did get, because what you was showing me you already y'all already own it. But I want to give you what I got from Africa. Yeah, for sure, that I want to give it to you what. I don't want nothing for it. I want to give you the information, and I guarantee whatever information y'all are already got, you're gonna be able to balance some shit out and be like, oh, we didn't have this piece or that piece of that.

In a minute, bro, none of this stuff is gonna be available on YouTube outside of the clips.

He can tell you. I'm taking my shit off too.

I spent twenty four thousand dollars how many years ago was that bran that was doing the one app, only to realize I didn't have enough money to do exat So I didn't look at that twenty four thousand as a waste.

I looked at it as an education, right.

You know what I'm saying, education, because that's exactly I ran through. Brother.

When you're dealing with software that is more cut thought than the goddamn dope game and the rap game put together.

You know why money.

Because the person who's developing you got to give him access to your server, so that's passwords. You got to get him access to your Apple developer account and your Google developer account.

They got to have passwords.

So when they building something that you're paying for anything you unsatisfied with. They already planning it in your shit. We ain't gonna get these cast listening to all okay, okay, we're gonna talk about that all my fault. We're gonna get up out of here. We will see y'all next week.

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