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Like when I first started rapping, like like sometimes I look at y'all generation like y'all version Against the Rap, y'all were more musically inclined. I would imagine probably at Compton how they had music classes. You know what I mean?

Hey, you went to the you want to you want to come try?

I went to the Mingus Okay, So even.

Even the dirty I would imagine they had like music programs like all of the generations to me, like the first generation of West Coast MC's, they were more musically inclined. We were so like they probably was like why aid and it was gang banging and Dreaden was hanging out and they was doing their thing. They still have more of an insight to music, like y'all got the last bits of music courses, like you know when you listen to a music. They had better music than us.

What's aving?

It's your boy big stealing tonight. Me and the homie mc up home the class to be known about the music bits, and we also asked what the world would do not the trumpets back in office.

Let's go. My father.

Got me into you know, instruments and shit. You know, I was in the little the drum line shit with the permemery. They had the parades and they had the drummers and shit. I did that like a couple of years.

And then.

My father put me in the class and bought me a motherfucking trumpet, So I was I was in class trying to learn how to play trumpet and all that shit. He had me doing that shit, you know. So that's what music was. Always early shit with me, and then usually with your parents or grandparents from my generation, somebody was you know on some music shit, singing in the choir at church or some shit like that. Your cousin might have played the drums or the oregon or some

Everybody was sure into some kind of instrumentation because they did. Did y'all still have the music programs over the eight that they had and took them out hit when you was going to school.

Well, yeah, they still had music programs around that time, you know, the early eighties, the mid seventies, early eighties, and shit, you know, shit start falling when the nineties came.

So by the time when I got in high school, they didn't have nothing program So when I go back and I listened to NYCNW or if I listen to NWA even talking to yelling them with like he was talking about music, how they used to play the drums, and even forty forty got a scholarship, you feel me

Dudes was different.

Even their music sound different versus when we came in the game, Right, we didn't know nothing about music. Now, I mean I didn't know My mom is a huge music fan, You feel me, I didn't know nothing about music. I could hear songs, I knew songs, but I didn't know music, and you could hear the difference when you listen to let's say a NWA anything early death Row conscious most wanted you feel me, any of the stuff Iceland was doing, it just was more.

You could tell they knew more about music.

Yeah, you know what I think it was. I think if anything we learned, we for sure learned theory. And it was the basic stuff, like I remember, because all I ever took was piano, and I remember, man, they taught us chopsticks and a whole bunch of other stuff and moonlight sonata and all that, you know, different type of stuff. So it kind of took you from there to where you had note recognition. And I would say that help when you kind of got a hip hop I kind of started off leiegue or not were on

It's one thing to turn your natural ability into skill or technique, Like you know, it's like a hooper, like right, you could hoop right if you could jump out the gym, you know what I mean? You fast, you could cross everything over and in high school.

That's gonna get you all the buckets.

In college, that's gonna get you some buckets when you get to that pro level.

It's all about your skill set.

It ain't about because you ain't the fastest person out there no more. You ain't the strongest person out there no more. You don't jump the highest out there no more. Now it's gonna be you know what you do one thousand times? What was the drill you was running that you was throwing up?

You know what I mean?

What you do it the most. And so turning my innate ability as a storyteller into you know what I mean, technique into a skill where I could always use it and pull it out like Kareem's hook shot for me, I ain't trying to I'm getting older, Like I'm I'm at of age. I remember when I first came in and the MC's even had made it to my age. When I first came in the game, they weren't even my age. Now, so you know what I'm saying, It's like, now you really better have some skills because you ain't Finna.

Feel me.

He got the new slang you feel me, he got the you know.

Let me ask you this.

So when you say when you first came in the game, you looking back now when you say your first stuff you did was trash, yeah.

I mean okay no. So White Lightning no, Only that's because DJ g l E Right, Gary Guido, who was working with Rhythm D.

Produced it, though, so like was produced.

By somebody time putting ten twelve, fifteen years into the game, just like you.

He was DJAILED when he was younger.

Feel me like. He from that that era of dudes, born in sixty sixty seventy two, so he here you know hip hop, he knew more and then he had success. He had mixed the Diddy record, you know, the paper Boys song. He worked on songs from Rhythm D. So him producing White Lighting White Lightning was dope. But everything I did he moved to Atlanta and I got I was on my own.

All that shit is whack.

You said, all of us, all of them.

So whatever I did on my own is whack like until I got with Tump, until I got with Manny Fresh the Stones. You remember the original Beach Cruise and the stuff I did with Mike City. You know, when I was being produced, Certified obviously was top sixty on the charts, right, Certified was top sixty on the charts.

With my hooks, that ship whack.

Get whack, you know, because now I hear it, I'm like, like.

Your old ship and be like, man, that ship was trashed.

I I'm I'm I'm a I'm a critic of my ship. And usually what what I would do is I would just play ship for niggas as it as it went along. And uh, I would pull a lot of ship that I would do because there was always somebody getting ready to come out with somebody who had already dropped. And you know, in our generation, you had to be on point with your lyricism if you was goinna put out

You get me.

That nigga knew how to you know he was a he was a producer. You get to find the records and the crate. Nigga listened to two seconds of some ship and could chop that ship up and make it a whole fucking song. And so I left my production up to a nigga who knew what he was doing. You get me, I didn't have that ego like fuck that.

That's what I concentrate it all.

Because it was enough niggas out there that you had competition with. You get me niggas like Brad, niggas like Cube. You get me niggas.

All the heavy hitters in your ear.

Niggas was putting out records.

Man, You get me the Ghetto Boys and Cube and Easy and Them and then Too Short and E forty and then and Spice, and then then you go on over to New York and niggas like LLL and Big Daddy Kane and E P and d dropping ship. You know, like nigga, you had competition, and.

The coldest thing was didn't nobody sounded like see nobody.

Sounded like it was hard?

It was hard. You get me Ship. Niggas did a song.

Nigga, you nigga, you you don't bite it, you feel me. We was very hard upon niggas biting styles and even slang words and ship you know, I mean you you you kind of look at it a days as I guess you want to say a nigga trying to give you, you know, your props or whatever. But back in the days, we hated when niggas bit each other's styles, like nigga, create your own lane.

That's what made That's what made.

Hip hop good, and it made it competitive because everybody, you get me, you didn't have. You didn't have ten public enemies. You didn't have motherfucking five ice cubes. You give me, you didn't have fucking eight Compton's most wanted you give me.

Everybody was authentic.

Today it's like shit, I want to sound I want my shit to sound like that nigga you know, whatever is popular right now, it's what crack and.

I think when you first started off. I think when you first start off, everybody kind of trying to mimic who it is a day admire.

To a certain degree.

Right, you ain't trying to bite these stuff all the way. But you got somebody that you influenced by, right, what I'm saying.

Me and I mean me and Chill with Shit. Nigg was the We was the West Coast e pm D. You get me. That's why we That's what we looked at ourselves because we grew up banging e pm D, but we didn't try to sound like them. S.

You kind of get inspired by him, you know what I'm saying. You get inspired, but you definitely start to develop your own sound and stuff. I think the biggest perth today man. Like I said, I think people got too much access g and I think it's cool in the way that kids can go in their bedroom and make a record.

They might come up with a hit. But I think that lead to the.

Cats not having careers because you know, you mess around to come up with a record on your own.

You don't even know how you got that motherfucker.

I mean.

Don't know, I mean definitely more access you. I can't imagine how much work you had to go through to get somebody to invest into music in y'all era, like, because it was tough in my era. Like again, like I'm grown up. I'm forty now, so it's like I'm not the little kid, and it was tough for my era, Like like I remember going to the studio for Guedo and like the first time rappit for him and him slamming the door in my face, like you gotta get tighter.

You know what I'm saying.

Like he had all the dat machines and all of that stuff, and you feel me and having to go get tighter just to earn a chance to record with somebody who had enough experience to produce records.

Now, where were you at your where was you at in your like kind of development when you got took over Drey's house when Tred was listening to you sh at the party.

Barely tight enough to what Guido thought I was tight. So we had just started working like I had So the first time he slammed the door in my face, I went home. I kept recording myself like I was early on that recording myself. I had cool let it pro, and I would be I was in a battle rap league online, so I would go sell shrim all day on the seven and be fugging up, and then when I go home to the spot, I would just be developing my writing, kind of like therapy. Like it was

So that's how we start working.

And then ninety days after that's when I meet dra you know what I mean, not messing with pool.

You go sit down with him. He's like, man, bring me a record.

I do something for you.

You bought him a record. I wonder why you think you ain't took advantage of that relationship more because I remember he gave us some records for you.

Should I have took advantage of it. He gave me two tips that changed my life.

You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't.

Know what was funny, man, I don't think I really ever tripped off working with Dre like that. Like, don't get me wrong, Like all the writing stuff and doing stuff for him or messing with the homies that was with him. That was cool, But like even when I met Dre, Bro my attitude, you know, I was so like and I mean ignorant, not in the black way, but like in the real way. Like I had no idea what doctor Dre meant to the music business.

Z ask them for records and stuff, like I'm.

Talking to this nigga like he's a nigga from cant no real story, Bro, this is no lie.

I was more starstruck when I met Eight at the Homie at the Big Homie.

Bone House then when I met Dre at his house, because Dre was like different, you know what I mean. He don't get me wrong. He was a nigga from n w A. He was a nigga on death row. He had did this, but like it was different, you know what I mean. It was somebody more like yeah he make music versus Eight or Dog or somebody. He was more like hood stars, you know what I mean, like niggas from games that you heard about and you knew niggas homies and they made it.

You know what I mean, They made it big. They changed their life.

So when I would always talk to Dre and to this day, like you know, two weeks ago, like when I talked Dre. I talked to him like something nigga from counter. I mean, now it's different because I understand what he was able to accomplish, So it's a different reverence. And it was always a respect. But I remember when I when he heard two Pac months down. He's like, man, Glass,

You may have made one list.

BIX told you to apologize about two Pac months done?

I go, you shold me?

He was. I told him. I was like, man, you ain't fuck the police. What are we talking about?

Like?

Man, you know what I noticed?

Though?

Man, I think as you get older, you become more conscious of what you say, because I know when I was younger, I would go on record and say damn anything. I think when you get older, you for sure think about the people that's gonna listen to you and what kind of message you gonna be putting out there.

I mean, I mean, with with age comes I guess maturity, how people say.

I said all kind of shit when I was nineteen twenty.

You give me twenty one, But I guess as you older and you continue to, you know, dabble in the arts, people really just want to hear something from an older mind state. You get me, and that's where you gotta kind of, you know, go with your shit. Of course, you know, when I was in the hood and witnessing and dealing and doing all kinds of shit, my outlook on life is gonna be something that I need to

I think I think that like a dude like Drake, I can imagine he did see everything too, man, I think at the time, Man, I think at a time like I don't would never say I got tired of rap because I love music, but I definitely wanted to take stuff to the next level, Like even as far as expanding on your production and stuff. Man, you know you start incorporating horn players and stuff like that, and percussionists and stuff like that.

Well, I think to your point, you start to feel restricted because I remember teasing you about.

That ship Yeah, making R and B music. It was R and B music.

But I do why because you start to feel like hip hop is restricted, you know what I mean?

And and used to love ship stiff, that's what you was.

Nigga would have horns and he'd be rapping and then be doing the horn parts with his fingers.

I'm like, man, you.

Get it, get it though, get it now though, I get it so and I feel for Dre. I feel for Dre and I feel for legends, you know what I mean in that situation.

But I'm also say this right.

There is a development about people that come from where we come from. That don't mean you abandon this.

It evolves.

So like my older homies they not hanging out on the seven or them dudes is a part of motorcycle clubs, or they got cigarette boats and they go to the uh the lake in Arizona to have a sue and like like, and I feel like it's important you feel me. You look like you fall asleep. Still open up, you.

Trust me.

People gonna be talking about that part, remember that too.

I hate that.

Man.

I'm looking listen to what you're saying, like I'm going to sleep.

No, you should see your face though, I.

Need to work my glasses. I need to get my.

Hook up on my all that look at his face at twenty two thirty and tell me what you think. Don't he look crazy?

My nigga say already, don't still say nigga, that's just that's just how I happened, and I should he said, I don't be sleep nigga.

Nigga looked like he'd be gold like a motherfucker.

And what you're saying, no, no, But the point I'm saying is I think, like I think, I respect H eight has evolved as an MC where it's not completely oblivious to street culture, like he didn't mature into like a soccer dad. He sounds like MC eight that grew up and content, that's with track new, that's an adult

I don't know if that's fear man. I think, what dog? His niggas just be trying to push the ship to the outer.

Limits, staying in limits, you know what.

And that's one thing I could respect about eight because eight is real conscious about staying in his lane, about staying where he's at.

You feel what I'm saying, like, I gotta be right here.

This is where I'm at even about BPMS, Like because I ain't gonna lie, I'll be want to I'll be saying sometimes, man to be hard. If I had eight but an orchestra and I had a dude over here doing this with the file lin and all this, that ha sound real menacing.

You could do.

That for his albums that came out in the nineties. You can't do it with Shiit today. So like, yeah, if you play straight up minutes with the orchestra, that's fire. He ain't got no business rapping on the orchestra, making an orchestra song some brand new stuff, because I mean it's it's not to say it won't even sound good. It just becomes you know, you don't want to go there. You don't want to go there to McDonald's bro and they put ketchup on your big man or mustard.

That just.

Unfortunately, you guys have successful brands.

You know, whether it's eight, whether it's Doll, whether it's Snoop, whether it's Doll Pad.

I tell all the time, you have to stay you have to stay loyal to the fans. That's you get me and and true fans don't want.

To hear that other ship. You get me.

True fans want to see you stay in the lane in the basis of what built your career.

Now.

I'm not saying you gotta beat you know, you gotta sound like the nigga you was back in eighty nine or ninety one, but don't stray away from the concepts and the rules of what made us true fans of yours and that and and so you have to remember that if you still making music today, you have to consider what got you to the point of where you are now, because those are the motherfuckers that still want to hear you.

You get me. You might pick up some new fans along the way, but you want to.

Stay true to that core because that's what That's what MutS, that's what it means to them, you get me. They feel honored and great when you do some shit that's in your lane and you're not trying to compete with what's going on today, and you're giving them true uh, you know, that true sound of what made them motherfuckers want to fuck with you in the first place.

Yeah, if any of your hercub's new joint that it's my ego. Yeah, it's probably the biggest record. They saying it's the biggest record you had commercial wise.

I think they're talking about from a streaming air perspective.

Yeah, it's it's a cool record. Actually though I like it.

I like it from a songwriting perspective.

I think it's cool. I think it's a dope record.

It's definitely he feels it's him feeling more comfortable than he felt to me on Mount Westmore.

And the video is really good too. You can tell you having more fun.

He kind of started a home space where he had as a creative you know, I mean as a as a as a creative legend. He's starting to own the space. So it works a little bit more like you can feel the pill of it.

I like it.

Well, you know what I was thinking, man like like with cats, like like with q Be coming out doing this thing. He keeping this stuff like really authentic to who we yields. And I remember you want to did the thing for the Homies in DC when you came out, you know, get the whole live instrumization thing, and he was out there and I was like, man, that's just dope. I think he could really pull that off. Man Like doing the.

Piss me off. I told him to do this.

Yeah, I told nobout it.

I said, bro, if you had eight, we should have eight perform with music, because y'all, shit is music.

Dog new single, I think Dog New Single.

I'm so glad that they didn't try a bunch of shit. They didn't try to they didn't try to do a bunch of crazy shit. They kept it just on brand. That's all you gotta do.

Now.

Growth is about marketing.

It ain't about taking new risk with sound at this point, for certain legends, it's really about really trippling down on a brand and getting more people to approve. Because when eight first started, or when Snoop first started, or when ice t first started, I'm sure with no brands, would no major corps come near them, you know what I mean, because it was like this is way too risky so forth.

It's okay to like MC eight, it's okay, like you can be proud of this.

You know what I've been kind of trying to figure out too, right, Yeah, you know you have them like looking at him, going to go do the off the porch stuff, right, Yeah, and just what we was talking about, right, it's really expound on that dog and really like reintroducing like the Hood took me under to the twenty twenty four youth, no, the kids of this era, to the like you know that era, but by doing it like at a tiny desk where it's over live instrumentation, Dog,

Dog.

So the fact we call it tiny desk when they've been doing a tammy show since the sixties. You know what I'm saying, you've been seeing this before before MTV's music video. Like when I go back and study, you know, I'll be studying all the time, and I go back and look pre MTV.

That's how all that shit was.

They was all just it was live musicianship. So we just got to get back to the music, not just the records, because I think with people here get back to the music. They think of getting back to the records. No, get back to the music. Like the music pre MTV was an experienced. MTV made it to where it was a backing track and you perform in the song. But before that you had to really it was, you know, off the porch.

It was every was that exactly. You have to be able to perform. Back in the days, it was people.

Up when they seen eight, they was like, oh this nigga really got it, Like you know, you could tell you could see a master at work versus some dude that got a good record exactly.

I think the biggest thing today what I tell cats is I see cats come up there. Like when I first saw Ti Grizzly. Remember when everybody the industry kind of was giving him his moment because that song was so big. He was out there doing songs. Man, they just had the microphone in his hand with the track playing in the background. He was kind of on stage, is kind of diddy bopping, big Man diddy bopping, and I'm like, man, that is not gonna work.

Bro.

People came to hear you say that over them over your microphone. That's what I think. Anyway, I thought this stage show was horrible at first. He's gotten a lot better. But I thought this show was horrible at first.

But this is why I always give a lot of credit to y'all generation in hip hop, Like y'all understood that because y'all grew up watching y'all kind of young, but y'all kind of saw Sam Cook, y'all saw James Brown. I mean, these are people you saw, even if you didn't see them. I doubt either one of y'all saw James Brown and his prime crime with James Brown.

Fully. I mean you saw James Brown probably later.

On well performers.

You know, you got to watch Soul Train, and you got to watch American Band Stand and then you got to watch you know a lot of the shows where you know, performers performed, and we had you know.

We.

Had t r L.

We want to sit at park just up there rapping. It's a bigger music played.

Looking at you know, we watched those uh, those motherfucking American Music Award shows when when you know, bands had to perform and the earth winds and fires and the ship and niggas really performed. There was no track looping in the background and vocals over the t you know.

So, uh, my generation saw that as kids.

So if you got into the entertainment business, a lot of us grew up off of that, you know, performances and stage shows, and so you knew, you know, you gotta connect with the crowd, and you got to move around and if you can have props and stage show presence, and because that's what people come to see, you get me.

You know, some people adapt to that.

But you know, like I said, the generation gap between what we saw as kids and what the kids are seeing now is a total different you know area, you know.

Not just the short and gee, but I would listening to this girl's record the other day, a girl I was asking thinking about doing something with Mter mixing for that song that we got that we're doing for the one ten thing, and I was listening to it, but she wrapped and I.

Might like when they seen me coming down, and I'm like, how are you gonna wrap that?

In person?

Like, how do you say that to a stinging full of people?

You up there whispering.

I did a show in Seattle a couple of weeks ago, right. It was a dope, little small venue. It was one of my favorite shows I did probably in the last ten years. And it was a dude who rapped before me. He had to be in his fifties. He was you could tell he had been rapping for I even thought about rapping, like he already knew what rap was. And I think I sent you a video of how he was holding his mic.

Yeah, so yeah, I was like, who is that?

I wanted you to send that to aid, Right, But I remember being so enamored with his style and confidence to hold his mic that way. And I watched a lot of rappers coming up. They cut the mic, they stick the mic down, it's almost like they hide in

You know what I mean, that people never saw.

And I remember him telling me like, man, you should try it, and I'm thinking, like, I don't got nowhere near the moxie or years to even attempt.

Mic because.

It wasn't blocking his face so you can see his face.

That yeah, I want to get that residence you want. You're gonna hear none but voice coming to this motherfucker down or hold it like that, nigg I'm putting this mother.

He knew what he was doing because he had like this that one of the tricks quick game in the studio, hold your throat up like this when.

You do your thing, keep your cheir up, nigga.

And that dude was serving and I was just thinking, like, you know, so I don't I don't want to be I don't want to be hypercritical because again, I grew up in the era of t R Rail, you know what I mean, and and and and and one O six and Park, So we didn't have that. But I just got blessed enough to have time and make money to where I can go back and then experience the Tammi Show. I can go back and look at four

So you know again, it's like.

Getting back to the music, getting back to the bass, getting back to the guitar, getting back to the drums, getting back to the keyboard.

Getting back to the music.

You know what I mean, when people saw music versus they seeing you and they hearing music, Like, it's different. When I watched that, I remember sending you that back poor stuff, like posting it on my Twitter, like you see the bass if you don't just hear it. I see it. I see the drums, I see the I'm more intrigued. And then you watch a legend servant you like, that's it.

I swear. Man.

When Glasses saw that off the pork stuff, he was so mad at me. He was like, mane, somebody else do it and you And I said, bro, we had been talking about it, but it was one of them things.

Now you think you gonna have time to do something, man.

Rat this mistake made and life is thinking you got time.

You can still do it though, Bro, we can still do that, you know what I mean. It's like you don't have no copyright on that and.

In its fly.

Don't get me wrong, but man, I remember just looking like wow, you know what I mean, it's like your childhood again.

You just see it.

Like that is show fire like.

But I'm not mad.

I'm not mad that he did do it with them, because you know them dudes in DC get busy, right.

No no, no, no no. I love it.

I love it and the fact how they had and they did it right. They had him coming about the logo.

I said, look at just wasn't the lo lo But yes, it was out of an old Chevy.

It was out here.

It wasn't the logo, but it was old chef.

He was alright, they nailed it, but it was just it's no butt for what they did. It's just upset and us for not doing the same thing for our legends. We don't even have that for our legends. This is what I be sweating problem and Pawn and different armies about, Like what do we got for our legends?

That's something that would sell out once or twice a month downtown somewhere. Though if you had different cats, if you had eight com and do his show with the what's e. Peach's band, the Firnest Band, you feel what I'm saying, People would sell that out. Oh, you would get two or three thousand people that come to see that.

Though them dudes could really rock.

That's the problem, and it's like it's what immortalizes your legend.

Like like I get mad when I see the.

Shout out to the good folks at NPR for tiny desk, but like for them to show showcase scarfaces brad Ship, Like, how the hell are we not doing this for our people? Yeah?

I hate that it goes to them and obviously.

What I'm saying, honestly, do you honestly think that niggas that there's enough love for legends on our side man or into the accomplished?

Because hey, listen to me.

I remember, we deal with this, We deal with this, you know this aspect of you know, legends and icons as far ass music concerned as West Coast.

But I don't think niggas.

In my shoes truly feel that we are appreciated as far as the West Coast is concerned.

Because this is what I'm saying.

More, let me tell you something.

You can put together a concert right now with me and a couple of legends and it'll be more essays coming in niggas.

But listen, listen to what I'm saying though.

So why do you think that, why do you think it would be more essays show up than niggas?

Why?

Well, let me let me let me ask you this and then I'm gonna just bear with me, let me work through this. No, because it's important. Right. Look, right fifteen years ago, fifteen or sixteen years ago, I'm sitting with the program director at KD trying to put together so they like man gee, so they asking me to reach out to Wayne. They you know, I'm saying to cash money, like, man, reach out to tune. I'm like, man, tune getting like half a million dollars a joint right now.

He said, why you think so?

I said, because it's a good time in our lives that we get to go celebrate every time. So the program director that k They looking at me crazy. I'm like, I'm telling you now, at this time Dog is doing rooms that whole two to four thousand.

At this time, Short is doing clubs.

You can still get Short and forty at clubs, you feel me. So it sounds crazy to him, but I'm telling him, if you pack all these people together you bring back a time that was a great time for everybody who listens to this radio station.

So he said, okay, listen.

It takes me a little while convincing, right, So we put it together. We call the event How the West Was Won. We have another.

We call the other event Crush Groove. Right.

So the first How the West was One sales out in ninety six.

Hours, ninety six hours.

Since then, the program director of KD has been doing them now for fifteen years. Now.

You even buck Q. You can't even bunk dog.

Again if you don't set the presidents of how to respect legends and hip hop. We at that same proverbial place that rock was probably in the seventies and eighties and nineties, where you kind of didn't know what to do with your legends, you know what I mean.

But somebody figured it out, just like we figured it out. Now.

You look at Snoop, He's in the arena every night, Cuba's in the arena every night.

It don't work no other way. So it's up to even West Coast hip hop.

Because one of the hardest things I'll be on all the legends about is not telling me about Uncle Jam's army. Not telling me about you know, Lonzo and the World Class Record Crew, the real history of West Coast hip hop. I just found out about our Pine Village. I never even heard of that, like all my life. Hey, we drove by that shit on the one ten, Like, oh, that's what the white people be never knew.

Niggas used to be at the our Pine Village.

Yeah, I think what it is is And to your question, I think brothers you know, are to our spot that everything they have to they are on limited budgets, so everything they spend their money on is what they believe carries social currency.

So they always looking for.

The next thing. Well guess what they always pop up at. How the West was one because we put social currency on it. So this is what we're talking about right now, when design is creating something that puts social currency on me. And then once you add social currency, then the value changes for your heritage and your legendary X. You just

Army, like five hours.

People don't know about Unknown's history and iced tea and how that matters to com like this history is incredible. We don't have a crush groove right now. Everybody thinks our history starts. We're straight out of content.

And I tell eight, I tell eight all the time how big that stuff will because I see g we talk about it. All we have to do is go do it, bro. All we gotta do is go get the venue. We got the we got the band dog, we got we got them the platform to do with the platforms, and.

We got the people.

And I swear to god, eight, I'm so sick of seeing niggas the ideas that me and this man had five and six years ago, and they're doing when they blow up my black Man, there we go.

We lost anohing.

Like I'm looking at the owner radar stuff ge and that's the Remember I wants to do the thing called the bar Exam. That's the bar Exam where I was gonna have a things. You just eight were just a sign and just let people come and just get off. I thought of that so long ago and just never did it.

Listen, Man, God gives you a good idea if you don't usually give it to somebody else.

Definitely, I see that the whole time. I see with that on the radar, shout out to them though they're doing anything. But I had that same idea I was till it's gonna be called the bar exam.

They us, well, like they say, a lot of great minds think alike. It's just that sometimes, uh, sometimes we procrastinate with.

Shit for no reason. Eight and I hold the relationships.

And it's not that we do it purposely.

But when you a motherfucker that you got multiple shit going on, sometimes that great idea might slip you up because you think of it. But like you said, there's another nigga thinking just like you. So it's on you to execute or or pull the trigger when you know what I'm saying, Like a nigga said, the greatest investment

I shouldn't have waited. You can't be mad at them because they don't know. I don't know that. I don't know them O raid our people from a hole in the wall, or can pain.

Though exactly they aga I'm thinking the same ship.

You know what I'm saying.

So you just got to be able to pull the trigger when you think of something, when you can't doubt yourself. You get me, man, fuck this, man, I'm finna do this ship like fuck it. There's why waste on it.

You get me.

Right now, Somebody in their garage or in their basement or living room or studio, they thinking of the same shit.

And tomorrow they gonna wake up and they gonna pull the trigger. Yep.

And I'm gonna tell you another one we had and it ain't me this glasses.

Glasses used to tell us, man, I need to have shows at my house in the backyard on my own residency. Man, we laughed at him so hard. Ey I said, dude, you just don't want to go on the road. You being laisy. I said, why you don't want to go on the road, You canna make the fans come to your house. I thought he was out of his mind. Man, when I.

Tell you that, the Captain Russell blew up doing that. Bro, what it is.

Is so the more home.

What keeps me fresh even at my age now is I'm learning like everything.

I did, all the money I first made.

When I got this bit, it was natural, like niggas really is the genuine article. Like I wasn't like this real like all the stories we talk about in these songs selling dog shootouts, low rock.

This this ain't no thing.

So thank god I stayed sober enough to articulate it, and I got this natural ability of rhythm that I can articulate it. But I had no skill set outside of the repetition of writing raps. I had no idea what the record was. I was only as dope as

He'd be like, nigg look how you He was like, Man, nobody even know what you're saying. But this is how like we talked, you know.

What I mean, Like squares where feu me for a rack, like they have no idea and this is like just how we talk exactly.

You know what, Man, I think that on I really think like like A just said, Man, I really think we got to stop sleeping on this stuff and just want to go do it.

Dog.

We can't waste no time, dog, because you would look up, man, and it's like it's the fourth quarter already. Bro, it's the years over.

It's over years old.

I was looking as saying from the beginning of the year, like we got I'm tell him this all the time.

Eight I'm like this Nigga is a legend.

He's right here, Like every crazy idea that's fire, he's right here. Like we don't even got to go find doll or dre or or or nobody like he's right here like this nigga a staple culturally. So everything we could try, we could try with eight first and it don't do nothing but boaster his brand because one of the things hit like like a bar exam or or or against the chronicles live that don't do nothing. It's gonna do nothing, but it's going to fly because the

What I mean?

The beginning of the year, Remember the beginning of the year. I started off on fire. I said, we go do this. Then you get sidetracked on other stuff. You start trying to side track.

But you know also what it is too Also our problem is is we're creatives.

Sometimes this ain't the time to be creative. Go to the hook shot right in the middle of a game. Don't be crossing over, putting up on the mid rangers, hold up, still, back up that post him up here.

Hook to me. That's what against the Chronicles Live is we're not gambling. That's the Tammy Show again. That's American band stand again. That's what they doing right now. You feel me off the porch. That's a hook shot. We know that's good money.

Bust against the make no hard that would be They have people like you know, you king t.

People that's just gonna come and show up though.

Still being them like this is easy cook shot.

But what happens is like at the beginning of the year, we start getting to creative, We start pursuing creatives versus getting getting scoring some points, getting in rhythm. You know what I mean? Because like like when you when you if you play any organized basketball still and I know you deal with football, but in basketball, the first drill the coach have you do when it comes to scoring the ball, it's a layup line.

Don't nobody start the game by shooting mid ranges? Lay the ball up?

And I think we have to like when we start at the beginning the next year, and as we expand the gainst the Chronicle brand and we start to put on more culturally for the West.

Post up, we already know what's gonna work. We see what's working.

We got our own brand of it.

Post up post and you know what she is live music.

Like I'm looking at all the people that listen to the audio of this show, right, I look at all them people that be listening to it Dog, and I was like, we can put the regular episode up like we got Dog, didn't had a special one and dropped up.

Live.

Can you imagine how many people wore listening to that like it's a conference live music.

Where as doing ministers like.

You could do Gains the Chronicles live. He can record the audio mix it, eight.

Could put it out on James Chronicles.

I mean a could put it out as m c's greatest hits live like it can't like if there or five things that turns into simple business that everybody got, you know, extra ten thousand dollars a month.

I don't know what.

Now ain't you got a record? And now ain't you got an.

Album that's twenty some years old, thirty some years old that don't rehentit the charts because of this new thing that.

You call just what? You got an extra master of the live like James Brown live album. I was trimping off. That was such a big deal. James Brown, m C eight live like m C eight live, so we could do the Gangster Chronicles live, record the songs, mix them, and then eight here you put this out on blue stamp right boom.

Now you got m C eight live. Every It's just popping.

This is what hook lay the ball up, definitely, And you know the cold thing about it, when you do instrumentation, you don't have to worry about YouTube messing with the stuff from them because this sounds just like whole new music, so it's new contents. So we could put that up there.

You know what I'm saying before, I don't know what the fuck we I get why I ain't gonna lie. Y'all had it way harder than me. I'm spoiled by hip hop.

I grew up with it. Y'all didn't grow up with hip hop. Y'all grew up.

With music and that that's your gift. I grew up with the culture them niggas watched the culture, you know what I mean, they grew up with the culture, but they also still have real musicians.

Ship.

I grew up with y'all. It wasn't no, it wasn't no Cameo, It wasn't no James Brown, No My My Jazz Brown.

And shit Free exactly, DJ quick my, you know what. And I be telling Isa m c E. George Clinton is doctor dre My, Bootsy College is Snoop Dogg. Y'all actually had Bootsy Collins. Gee, I'm glads you here. I'll be telling I'll be like, hey, you the whole keep everything, dog. I'll be telling them sometimes you the whole keep everything.

I could do what I could do, dog, but if you and the thing he is, it ain't. I had to realize he gonna do whatever I asked him to do. I just gotta start getting it together and just say, hey, here we go the play we run.

Because niggas still want to do fly ship.

Niggas just want to do because at the end of the day, look, man, them niggas is all them niggas is real deal musicians. They yeah, they cribs and all that from around the way, but they like the real deal.

Like I said, cousins, Isaac Hayes to us, well, we know what we're Isaac Hayes, because we got me.

We respect the work. You get me.

What it took for us to get off records and and just to get in the place to that position to be in, uh you know, going on the road, whether it was in snowstorms or raining or whatever we had to do to promote records. You know, we go across the country. You know, we be in studios, uh, you know two and three weeks, you know, four weeks putting together projects, also having to deal with labels and promotional tours and and signing autographs and black and white photos.

Well, y'all didn't get into it to be rich. I wasn't even a thought.

Yeah, that wasn't my thought when I got into making records. I didn't know rich rappers. It was rappers as money rich shit. You get me this, and I want the fans to hit me up, y'all. Good for dropping me facebooks, Facebook messages and all that stuff. Hit me up and let me know what y'all think. What if we did something. What if we take something for New Years like actually did it like whole on Patreon something, or maybe maybe

Oh yeah, and you just do it. You get me. That's the one thing that's one thing about us.

We'll talk about some ship and talk about some ship and then what it is is and then we need to start, you know, going forth with a lot of our ideas instead of procrastinating on it or just talking about it. Then you let a million other people hear about it.

You know, some nigga donna beat you to the punch because that's why this editing.

So my thing is with a lot of our you know, with a lot of your aspirations, should just need to be done instead of, hey man, we should do this, and we should do this, and we should do this, and then.

What if we what if we would if we it's too much? What if And it's just like, I need to get.

Off this motherfucking ship, and tonight I need to start putting wheels in motion to what I think. Fuck it, it's either gonna do or it ain't. And if it's something that's gonna be continuous, then you know, ship, your your your mama, your daddy had to push you on your tricycle before you learn how to ride that motherfucker by yourself. So hey, if you gotta fall a couple of times being being but you know eventually the ship gonna start doing this, you're getting me.

Rolling.

So you just gotta That's what happens with a lot of time. With your investments. You gotta, you got, you gotta spend a little, and you gotta keep flipping it, flipping it till you wake up one day and you look up like you said, nigga, when we first start serving nigga. You didn't have a gang of customers. You had to You had to compete with a gang of other niggas and you had to let them know. Nigga,

You get me? So that's.

All right? Sure, we need to ask you he before we go. I don't want to spend no episode talking about it. People is really losing their ship over this election. Dog be all right, what if they think was gonna happen? You honestly think that, you know? And no hate on on the sister. You get me, No hate on the sister. But come on, man, come on, man, like.

Whole different times, just win though since win? Come on man, man, I don't know, man, Please, people need to understand, like the electro can was knock gonna what do you what do y'all think it was gonna go? The popular vote means shit, it means nothing. You went, you run out there, you get that broke out there, and you get your little mark and ship and you you whatever whatever, and

I definitely was in tough.

That was a cold squad because that dude is a polarizing motherfucking cracker.

And and it is what it is.

You get me, that's what That's what you was left with. That's what the country was left with. There was no other you get me. There was other Republicans and there were other Democrats, but you get me, that's what me.

They just kind of pushed her out there too fast.

It was like they took the old boy out the race and they all of a sudden, then we go ahead, use hurting on next thing.

You know.

Yeah, honestly, after Joe Biden bowed out, you might as well have just let him walk right on in because now the confidence of the American people is like, really, like, if that was the case, you should have did that before we had.

To choose you.

Get me, and so we would have been left with other people. But now you're gonna like, well we just go slide her in. Man, that move wasn't in the work. That move was.

And that got shot at that man did a lot of stuff.

Man, come on, man, you had two assassination crazy up good?

Did you like right down politicians?

Man? Please, then let me.

Ask you this. Then the dude come on on stage and one of his relives. But many men playing and from any from Jamaica. Queen's doing that. You know what, the many men which death upon me, they can pay me my money. They can play my ship all night if you want to pay me my money. But like I said, uh, people shouldn't be up.

And you know, I guess like I said, for the average motherfucker like like you and me, g and steal whatever, does it really matter what position is that is gonna happen. You get me because tomorrow I'm still doing what I'm doing. Uh, my bills are still gonna be the same. The gas is still gonna be what it is. Food still gonna be what it is, and so you have to look at it at the end of the day, what really benefits you? As far as you know, political ship goes.

Motherfucker, get to look like what the fuck you doing over here? That changes?

Well.

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