EP 94: The Big U Episode

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Subscribed against the Chronicles and leave a five star rateing and comments. Welcome to another episode of a Gainst Chronicles podcast and I'm with my homeboys Jack, Jill and Man Tonight we got a very special guest. Man. He's aware of respected individual not only Lost Angeles, but throughout the United States and the rest of the world. He's the owner of unique records and unique entertainment. He's giving us our first glimpse of artists such as the late Nipsey

Hustler Corrupt. He's also a hell of a community activist. In his nonprofit, Developing Options, conduct several activities for the city's youth, and he's pushing the area against gang violence, crime, and drug abuse. That's welcome. Eugene Henley, also known to the rest of the world is Big Youth. What you what's happening with you? Man? Man, I'm good. What's good? What's the word? Man? What we're gonna do about this football? Man? Man? And man, my, you know what's crazy. Some of my

my receivers that turned the linement. They're gonna have to switch it up and do stuff. And I see and my linement that turned to digg lnement. Yeah, it's crazy, man. You know you we were just talking about the football thing. Man. And I got to commend you man on what you're doing over there, man for developing with Developing Options. Man, and I found that was something just to date, man,

you developed that after you did your prison stint. Man, was that something that you thought about when you was inside and nothing thinking about you was gonna start changing the community around definitely? Um, when not what I did with developing nice and I already talked about and planning it out when I was when I was in there. Oh wow, And you've done a lot of stuff with that, man,

I know. Um, people always table tendency to think about the football when they think about what people doing their nonpross and everything. But you coordinate a whole lot of different services for the community. Man, m hmm, yeah, we do. We do football, we do community, community get back. We're currently feeding the elderly every week. Um, we do a lot of food drives. Like we're real strong around Christmas time and trying to help everybody have a good Christmas.

All done the Muslim Montal practice. And but I tend to try to want to see you know, people have some specially little kids have something that they can't have nothing at that time, we focused a lot of energy on that. Um. But more than anything, man, it's really like you know with the Gang of Eventure just being an example of of how red, blue and green and all can can that marriage together and get along. Yeah,

you've always been a big voice in that. Man. What did you think we can do as a society, man to just make that better? Man? Just all start living as black men. Man. It's crazy because we just had like in the last nine were the last six months, Man, we had a bigger spike that we didn't had in years, like in in in decades. Right with with with with the violeus and the violus is different because right now it's neighborhood on neighborhood. Its neighborhoods fighting that didn't never

fight each other. And I think that comes because of the the youth. Like when we was younger, we understood and we honor. We had a little more respect on how we do it. These kids don't have that, you know. And it's not that they don't have respect for the elders are their homeboys. It's just that it's not really no honoring. And I was crazy I had to say that,

but it's not no honoring mong thieves. You never thought about taking some boxing gloves to the neighborhood and uh get them up, man, Look that this is the problem it's not you know what I mean. These niggas ain't fighting. The nigga's gone then from using all these different drugs. They ain't none of they know they can't fight. It's only one or two of the kid. But if you look at these kids, these casts, man, these cast is

this seeing that right? You know what I mean? And it's because it was ship they put into their system. And you gotta remember, man like and this this is the real key. When we was younger, it wasn't it wasn't fashionable. We used in cocaine, tuning and and and tuning and smoking and taking all appeals. That's what we didn't do. We looked we looked at that as bullshit. For you to be indulging in that lifestyle and want to be a gangster claiming the neighborhood. You was looked off. You.

You were straight up as the clockhead. You feel me, the clockhead. Now we're living in the air. We're living in the air with these dudes is older heads and all this ship in this in the state thing, you know, and um, you get seven eight of them is doing the same thing. They got a crew that's a crue, you know what I mean. I mean, you know, I'm

gonna pull up on minds, but it ain't. Dudes can't do that everywhere else, right, Yeah, exactly, And like you said, the drugs big thing because these cats, they're not on y'all you're smoking weed, man, They on the lane um snort and cocaine. Now, of course, like you said, cocaine wasn't fashionable when we was coming up. You was like eight said, he was a cluck if you was doing that. And it's definitely the drugs man. You know, you hear

a lot more music. You know, back in the eighties and nineties it was you know, it was frowned down upum man. Not the music is condoned and everything, and it's pretty much put out there in front of our kids at an alarming rate. Well, you know, our music, our music, our music promoted promoted using marijuana, but we didn't promote using cocaine. So we're in that middle. The music before us that we grew up on. They was

talking about heron Angel does PCP. They was talking about all of that, but our music what what he was talking about? Pushing it? Yeah, what do you what a big you? What do you think it leads the kids into that role of advocation, sipping on Lean now and the motherfucking doing all the drugs that they promote with a popular music, it's it's it's popular music like it's

popular music like right now on the South zone. So if you remember that Lean came from there, right that that that Lean and treads, you can see we used to dictate the culture. To look at the culture Penalton's Khaki's five ones golf hats. We dictated that for a whole era. So but when you look at it now, our kids look and sound like they're from the South. Yes, real ship because Lean and and and and taking this and and and and justin Lean didn't come from us.

That's some ship that came from the South. We dictated all of that, man, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's crazy and it's out of controls. The epidemic right now, we're losing a lot of people. It's like this opioid epidemic is like the crack epidemic was in the eighties.

There's a lot of people falling off man from that stuff. Man, between them pills and that leaning stuff, because it's all here when at the end of the day, right, you know, it's all here, and at the end of the day, you got you gotta you gotta find a way to reach the young cats in the neighborhood, especially with you Big Year. You got a lot of influence over there. So you can't pull up. You can pull up and and and put them the niggers in the huddle and

hold a conversation. Most of the big homies, these little cats don't respect the big homies no more. The big homies can't tell them ship because they don't want to hear it. They want to get down like they get down. Yeah, I mean, look at the way they dressed. Now, they're sagging way harder than than we came back in the days. And that ain't even at even like real talk. I look at these dudes, man, that don't mean that no more. Ye, the way these dudes where they closed don't even it.

Don't represent like we used to represent. Saggy used to need something U sagument that you was banging ship. Sagging was like I know, if me a horseman. In ninety seventy nine, when hip hop first came, we couldn't wear a cake. It was all the different ways we tried to represent you couldn't wear the rags no more. But it took the rags. You'll get the writer for the rag. I came with the cake cutter. You'll get the Rider

family cake. If you had a cake cut out to a left pocket, right pocket, they write you up for that. Then we tried to put studs on our pants and put six dozen put studs on one side and put up golf hast to the side there right, you up for the The only thing they could not write us up with for a Horseman middle school was if we left for our building home on that you know, you know, you say, you know, give me the rid. I love

my bill. Remember we cut our pants up. Then they give you a sword or they give you a need with thread t sow that shut up right there, yeah, right to me. I don't know where nobody else sag and came from. And that's definitely where we got sag It from. Because they couldn't tell us nothing. You know what they couldn't tell us like we pull your pants and we pull our pants that we still you're gonna see them see the underwear and see what we gotta. You're gonna see something. But so today I look at

these dudes. Man, you think it's just they just show their ass everybody, all of them that I honestly to make a second hard with shi things in their draws. Yeah, just during But it's it's a shame though. So how do you react to those little cats over there? Because then look what I'm gonna say this man, And you always cheat you home. It's always a given a take, you know what I mean. There's never nothing perfect. We ain't perfect. I ain't perfect. I'm not living a perfect life, man,

you know what I mean. I'm striving forward, bettering everything that I do and greatness and everything that I do. I know they respect me because they see where I am and they see I'm still right here. I'm still up tainable, I'm still touching, but I'm still in the hood. I'm still I still live in the hood. I live right on top of the hill. I'm still obtainable if you want to get somewhere. So it's it's like, you know,

you you respect the dude that's around. You know what I means, You expect the dude who who's showing you would have grown. Man can do like I'm around, but I ain't around like I'm buying property over here. Um, I'm actually in one of my properties right now in my neighborhood. And know that I just got about a year ago, and I'm just chilling right here. We're gonna start building this out and change this out. A couple of months. I was waiting for line up the line

and line for the building. But they understand. They're like, okay, you're big on me, you know what I mean, He right here, first generation, and still I give him a couple of them if I have to. But they got to respect that, you know what I mean, Like, I ain't no need gonna you know, you're need gonna tell me he ain't listening to me. And I said that because I feel like Nigga, I was here first and

I ain't never fell on. So when I fall off, then you can say you ain't listening to me, Nigga, but you ain't gore to come around here, and you ain't been around here for ten years. And now you've been around here ten years, Nigga, been around fifty and now you now, I ain't on the block. Ain't gonna tell you how to run the block. But I daitily gonna come and say, like, man, look, why are we

beating with these names? And what'st up with this? You know, I'm gonna definitely say that, I'm gonna definitely get it, you know. I mean, I feel like a lot of g niggas. I don't want to have to go through that. And I can respect that, but it's necessary for somebody to be there a common fortunate. I mean, when we was younger man coming up and we was going to get in the tour with other dudes that we got along with the homies and be like, man, hold on, man,

y'all slow up right, you know what I mean. Don't don't go over there tripping on them niggas. We've been get along to the niggas for years, man, don't. And that's always right. Well, you don't have a plan like that in the neighborhood no more. And you know, like the ship isn't going on in company right now. These cast is dropping like flies, just killing each other for nothing. And you know, I believe you can never You ain't gonna never be able to stop gang banking. That ship

is just there. But you gotta find a way to fix how the ship is going right now. And and and nobody got a solution for that. You know what I'm saying, Because I got a solution for it. What's that we gotta get involved. That's for real, bro, I'm gonna tell you like this real talk. It's more niggas is not doing the bullshit, then it is niggas is doing the bullshit on any given time on the streets. That's the fact, because if a nigger is doing the bullshit,

he's evasically gonna get locked up. So at any given time there are more niggas from every set that's not on the bullshit it on the streets just free. Then the niggas just is you got gang bangers and got gang members. Yep, you got you got some some cash, more into the game banging ship than the other ones. Is some niggas ain't gonna getting no car and go, you know, drive by. You know what I'm saying, They just ain't gonna do it. And then you got the

hit us. You know what I'm saying, Them the ones you gotta talk to. But them the ones that don't want to listen. But every neighborhood only got about keeping one hunting. Every neighborhood got too three clicks of the kid as it depends on beating the neighborhood is and then you know what I'm saying, you only get you. It ain't every neighborhood ain't clicked on where everybody's going.

Now something can happen to you can hit the right nigga in a certain neighborhood and now everybody's gathernized and going, and then that's the last for a period. But just on a regular basis, it's not you know, every nigga that is going, so to keep it one hunted with everything everybody, it could be changed. It ain't over because and the reason why I really why I would never say it's over and it's not doable, is because we did it in the Pan, did in the Pan for years,

doing it in there. They're still doing it in there. You gotta watch each other. But when you come home, it's right back to the same thing. If if if brothers brought that home, that same mentality home with him. No, they're just saying, how we're getting down. We ain't get we gotta look out for each other. But how how do we change that? Those mentality from the niggas who come home and want to be on that But the niggas who still stuck on. Like you said, how do

we change nigga's motherfucking mind. Well, you gotta look at it like this eight gangbanging has has has took a turn for the worst. You got you got gang bangers with gang bangers like on some faulty ship. You've got guys that's dying their hair and when ends with twelve zippers you got. I mean, it's just so fucking different. Why gang bang? If this is the look and this is the way. You know what I'm saying, you got you and and I don't want to bring it up,

but you got cats. I don't know if they're coming from prison with this motherfucking attitude or mentality or you know, messing with boys. You know what I'm saying. That's not everyday thing in the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying. So and and a lot of these cats is getting locked up on g P ship, you know what I'm saying. And they just don't have nobody to guide them the

right way, you know what I'm saying. And and everybody out there, the majority of think that you have to do a drive by to be solidified in the hood. That's not what it is. You have to put in work. No, no, everybody ain't built for that. The answer is really in us, bro, Yeah, it really can't. And and it's crazy because I hear dudes talking all the time like we're trying to get a program to go into the county jail, right to try to address the phase. You gotta go in and

get three phase and all this and all that. Then these things just getting these phase coming out and feeling like, you know, it didn't go their way or they're feeling feeling some kind of way about it. So we're trying to create a program to help that. That was that way in my mind, and my mind. It called me and asked me what was one way I felt we can affect change in South Central and the fact and I said that stop the phase, go into the county jail.

Stop these nigs from comedy and get beat up. Dudes, get beat up who don't know they ain't even really from thehood. They just grew up and they asked him to tell them over the wrong place where they grew up. Now you gotta get a phade, three phades. You gotta get beat up. You might get stabbed if you win too many fights. You can't win because you're in you're in a bad situation. So if you win, you know

you're gonna get your ass kicked. When they're doing that, that boxing program and and focusing on solid Dad, then they have a boxing program like that. Now that ain't the boxing program. When you come to the county jail right now, if you from certain neighborhoods, you're gonna get some phades. And ain't no boxing program we got, yeah, yeah, they got to non affiliate, non affiliate fights. But what

so this is just something. This is another program then I'm getting involved in to help go address those things just happening within the county jail, you know what I mean. And so we're trying to put something together to get to get inside there, to to to you know, affect changing there. Then they're about affecting change out here, because on the west side of l A when Nikkas come home, you know, from Inglewood all the way to the east side.

If you didn't, if you didn't, you you affiliated with neighborhood or the neighborhood cord against the cards on and and and and you're gonna get touched. All right, let's take a quick commercial break. We'll be back still. James eight. Y'all neggas better give me my fire, Donald, I put that on set. I need to go give me some Wateramera, my motherfucking feet, fucking with me, gangster chronicles of my

ass pay granted her money, just gangster granny. Y'all know me where you are dealing with, dealing with the music and ship and where we come from and ship like that. Do you feel like how you feel when niggas say, um, the music that we put out in our time or whatever. Do you feel you're responsible for what you are participating in or the music they pushed it? Do you feel responsible because of what you went through and what you pushed as far as you know, with nipsy or with corrupt.

I'll be honest with you, man, I feel more responsible for the game the music, Yeah, but I feel more responsible for just the game app attack, like the affiliation. I feel that bothers me more than than than than the music. Just my involvement in in gang life as a whole is more what makes me not sleep, what makes me trying to continue to do what I'm doing and to get to heaven. It there's a there's a heaven and yamicky, y'am I want to go. So I don't.

I don't pretty much tend to like saying music, although I feel like, like I said earlier today, music there's a great responsibility for violence along with the film, because see, the music is the tender box of the mind, that is you a vision of violence, but the actual cinema photography gives you the actual picture of death. I could talk about in the song uh rolling down, killing and doing with all this ship, but but leath the weapon.

The movie um um fucking King of New York had more of a daunking effect on me than any rep Zone because when I've seen dude and lethal weapon working them nine millimeters at seventeen eighteen nineteen Harbor, I was when I seen uh, Laura's Fishburne and King of New York working to nine millimeters, I'm like she and we was already in the streets. But before that, we had already all seen guy fire, We had already seen how they deal. We had already grew up on Clint Eastwood.

So these is the pictures. Well we came with was just the rap music. So niggas was killing well before rap music got to here right so true? You know you while we're on music right now, what makes you? Because you have unique records and unique entertainment, when did you kick the music? But I was I was just like every last one of us on this phone. Man. They had to see the choir. They had a drums. Everyone us had a drum set. Yeah you know, I'm saying we all had. We all had something that we

picked though. That did it. We all sun with the homies before we got four, before we was four, or full game before we was til we all thought we was gonna be like the tempt tasos did that, and we did, then we'd be walking thanking you. I was old of us, you know, I tell people on time, man, we all grew up the same. Man. We were children of the South who moved to her parents moved to the West to find something better, and uh so we all grew up exactly the same. I'm not the nigger

who think I grew up different than nobody else. I'm just I'm I'm the guy who feels like everything I did, we all did it. And then we all plucked at different opportunities to slow different thoughts down and made them things manifest in a different way. I think only one thing that separated me from everybody else was martial arts. I think that's that's it, and that's where it starts and it stops because martial arts and studying fighting and martial arts, it gave me a different swag and a

different confidence when I was around people. But other than that, that's exactly where it stops. Like who anybody can pick up a gun, anybody can go to jail, and don't tell anybody can go fight and do this anybody. I mean, you know, that's the only thing that's separated me. And because I think because of that confidence it gave me and my crew, because all of us knew it, and all of us was on the a G which was in the sixties, and we all knew how to fight.

We all like, I'm a black belt and my cousins was all built it up. We all went to go fight. We trained, we we we we If you got a trouble,

you gotta trumble to critischool. So you have six niggas who are all first cousins who came run who all even if it were three of us and we were in the room with twenty niggas were feeling like U yeah, I mean, so that gave us a different swag, and that gave a roll the sixties a different swag when we went places and people made us roll the sixties or we was aligned with that, so we're like, okay, what we're doing and we you know what I mean. So that was the I feel like that's the only difference.

And opportunities. I didn't have a lot of opportunities. Man. We came up hustling like everybody else, and we was on the West side, so we kind of took our opportunities, right. Yeah. So at what point did you say, you know what, man, I got some little homies over here, this rapp and everything. I'm gonna start unique records. Who was your first artist? Papa l Q n right there man, nineteen eighty nine. To tell you, look, I don't even I didn't get him.

He got me. Papi Q signed me. Let me tell you I came on nine eighty nine and ninetiest and and and and hate to tell you when when Papa l Q had that hit song the B Side, I ran into him in the Fox Hill More. I was in the Fox Tea mall he walked into me. Just got a motherfucker. He got a flat top and he walked into me. Say, I was with a couple of the homies. You know, we've mobbed in the Foxy Maro thatime like, welcome to me through all the squad. He're like,

what's up so you And I'm like, what's up? I mean like you you used to work for my pops. And I'm like, that's the word for your pops, Like, man, hain't the work for nobody. Ben was saving but I'm looking at that and he only could have only been seventeen, sixteen eighteen, and he said, yeah, man, used to work for my pops. And see what's your post name? He said, Mr Green? I said, O G. Green? He said, I said, oh, yeah, I doesn't work for your pop. But anyway, nevertheless, man,

your post is how are you doing? Because his father just got locked up and he knew I had a bag, so he came to me in eighty nine, eighty nine ninety. It was like, I want you to start managing me once you start halping with my music. I had no

clue about music, didn't give a damn about music. I was in the morning, I was getting the bag out of Minnesota, and you know, so he started actually he come to my house, him and Mike tyson nephew, and now he asked me every time he's doing the video of going to the videos with learned a little bit more about the video. I'm showing up at shows with him going to shows. So I started getting it to

it and then my Broomfield came shortly after that. It was like, Bro funk with me on the on the homie Corrupt, and I'm like, all right, but I was I'd already be going in out of town messing with the Quan, and the Quan was on another level at that time. He was he was flying high. So then I'm like, okay, I'm gonna mess with Corrupt. And that's when I started dealing with Corrupt. And we was in the process of getting the paperwork together, doing everything, and

I left. I got I got kidnapped, and I was gone for thirty years. But because of me and Corrupt, small relationship it it stayed with it with Corrupt, and and Corrupt didn't even have to shout me out. Bro. He didn't owe me nothing. I hadn't gave no money one thing I did a corrup I call grew up in the car with the little homies and they are

about to go get cracked. And I told him, I said, man, ain't you the rapper because you know, you know you can't come how Let mean, I was on my ignor ship halfway on and off and I'm like, ain't you the rapper? Me like yeah, messie, me get your ass out of the car, bro And I snatched him out the car. I told him to go back around there and get your wrapping on what you posted be doing. If you want to help these niggas when you're making, you bring these niggas with you. And he kissed that

stuck with it. So when I finally failed, I'm on the yard and niggas just coming up to me to my man, you know what I need to corrupt. And I'm like the little young rapper like, man, the nigga got you in the stone. The nigga wo. And I'm like then next, I mean, I'm I'm on the yard level four yard. I get some pictures one day, No, I got an envelope and the envelope had just somebody has sent me three thousand dollars on you know how

they tagged me back. Then they put on the envelope and you don't get that you you don't get the pictures on the letter or none of that. So I had to wait for the picture of the letter. It just sent me the thing. Let me know I could make wrong. I'm like, damn sorry, But we was on lockdown, so I couldn't even call wifey and asked her, you know what what? Who was that? Then the letter came and another envelope came and it was pictures from him

and and it was it was on then, man. But he didn't even have to come back and shout me out of no way because before I had left me Harryo and I hadn't met Area yet, but we was talking from from them and Jil. They was trying to sign the kron pop l Q and that's when I failed. So I was just really getting into it. So I was really in it before I left. Oh wow, Man, and you've been you know, a lot, did a lot of powerful stuffs. We all know what happened with corrupt Man.

And you also been dibbling Devil in the movies man for the last few years too. Yeah, I don't know if a lot of people know you don't hate your hands and a whole lot of stuff. Yeah, I'm not getting all this ship. Look you, huh, how do you getting all this ship? Every time I turn around, I see, man, you got this cracking? Got that cracking? What's the secret? Bro? Sleep? No sleep? I looked for the opportunity. I study and

I make sure they ain't gonna backfire, you know. I'm like, yo, man, I'm like, I can tell you, man, I promise you like eight eight. I know, eight end the day with all kind of ship. And sometimes you gotta look through that ship and see what's really right and what's not right, you know. And and I looked at it like that. Then I try to stay true to my name. And that hurts me a lot, because you know, it hurts me being big you. And then it helps me being big you. But you know it when I said when

I said, it hurts me. It hurts me because most people don't want me to be don't don't even realize I can read and right like most niggers want me to be just oh, big you. He gonna do this, he gonna take that, he's gonna do I'm not taking nothing, but what's mine I'm not going through no door, and I'm not supposed to go through. But when I am gonna do was hold a man to his word, to a t if you if it's supposed to be right, didn't let that be right? Then? I just I called

lead forward. Before we started this showing, I was talking to him and I was telling him, Yeah, we're about to uh do a zoom with big you. He oh yeah, that's my dog man. He good, he could he You will see the difference when you watch, because all I heard about big Ers or big you as a bully, but you take ship and I've seen you on black once before. He told me, don't even mention it. But

I gotta ask you. You had said there wouldn't be a death road if I was out with Should, And I'm like, I gotta ask you, what do you mean by that? Because from my knowledge, you and Should was working with each other. Yeah, but not before I went to prison. When you go to I went to prison of nineteen Okay, that was I was right at the beginning, Yeah, I was. I went to prison of ninety one. So you were with him before that? No, not at all.

You gotta remember, man, you gotta remember you gotta remember my mentality was was was was one of sorts, you know, like one, he wouldn't have had corrupt, He wouldn't have never had corrupt, so he wouldn't have had a connection to us on the West side. Two, You wasn't You wasn't gonna run through l A in Hollywood and all those parts where I was and where we was running the Compton part Router, That's what I mean. And I

mean and and and because we were strong. I was very strong with that time when I left, and you know what I mean. And and unless we had an understanding, but and like me, I said it to you me and still used to talk about it, you know what I mean, Because you couldn't have came out here at that time doing that from our tick, you know what I mean. That's just realistically, It's like when no, l A needn't come to the the comfident bouncing up and down

Compton Avenue and doing all that. He was gonna have confident, bloods, competent crypt Compton everybody like. It wasn't a lot of niggas coming from there coming to l A doing that either. It just wasn't. I'm sorry, So it was basically respect the territory. You ain't Benna coming just disrupt the our spot like like you think you own the ship. The things I heard would have made me focus on him and the person I was come. That's for the guy.

I just I just wanted to know from your point of view, because you didn't go into details with with black and and my whole thing was like that would have been you know, niggas would have had to accept the confrontation. And that's what you're looking for when you're out there game banging like that. That kind of you gotta understand, bro, I was on the whole another level. I wasn't. It wasn't even though when the I was, you know, it was it was. It was. We probably

could have been way. It probably could have been what he was. And I came home, you know what I mean, You never know, you just because y'all wound up being actually really young, real tight, didn't y'all he wounded up

looking out for you and everything like that? Yeah, definitely, Like no, no, we wound up and I love him like a brother, you know what I mean, Like he looked out for you better than he looked out for the wounds that was that was that funny ship I was and I think I think I think people think he looked out for me more than he did. Because he looked out I didn't want a lot of ship. Like the reason why I'm not filthy risk to this day is because I don't want to be advocated to me.

So I didn't get looked out for like niggas thought I was, and in it's hard for me to go chase That the first money I ever got when I got home, more than thirty thousand dollars. I got it from from Games. M hm. I never got nothing more than that from my brother, but when he helped me with a case, you know what I'm saying, and I was and that was more than that. So I didn't get no money to go make it in the world from him. I never got a dime from me because

I didn't want it. I got money from Games three one we want those shoe deals. That was the most money I got almost at one time in music living to this day, right, I never got nothing more in that from anybody in this industry. Then I got from the Games and a lot of people don't know that, you know what I'm saying, I made like round about three hundred with that deal with games. You know what I'm saying. And that hit me at the time that people thought I was signing because of my because it

should I wasn't. I was signing, you know. No, Now let me take that. I don't want to. He definitely helped me, but to be able to move and do other things I wanted to do and help get nuts nuts out there saying and stand up a little bit and breathe a little bit and be able to say now no to the world. I know, I don't want to do this now, I don't want to do that. Now I'm gonna do this. That was gay. That was a game shoot deal. M hmm. So he had looked out for you. Uh, let's check in with our sponsors.

Where are you at? This is og Gangster Grinny and the Gainst Chronicles podcast is back in effing getting ready for some of that g ship and blaze up some wannam. I saw something, man, I'm real excited about, man, M that you got involved with. First, I'll tell you about about the hip hop and coverage thing. I think it

comes out. Does that come out this month? Yea on the month and that was big man, and I was that The reason I like this man is because guys like you, Trick Trick, I think they get misunderstood man, because y'arell all good dude, you know what I'm saying. Like my talk to people, you're all almost like mythical figures. But I think it was important for them to talk about you guys, because a lot of the stuff that's shaking the music wouldn't be shaking if it wasn't for y'all.

How did you get involved in that project? Again? A Pyreu out of Compton can't tell me, Jimmy Cris what the idea to do a management show? And it's round about the same time that we're always trying to pitch shows and everybody was trying to come up with something the next love and hip hop and we were all trying to like shooting and with dudes is just starting to do podcast and it was just all trying to figure out. Look, it's trying to get behind his camera

and not just Mike. So he came to me because like I said, this thing started four years ago. We actually started on this four years ago. He came to me, asked me to shoot the pilot, and I had owed him because I had shot some stuff when I was trying to do a game show in his neighborhood and he ain't let me shoot over there, and I'm going away. I did the three times and did damn. I did all the and Jimmy Chris actually a kid, jim Bob.

He came to me. So I did it, and Ky returned the favorite to him, and and when I did it, I was like, look, I'm gonna do it, but I needed to look a certain way along with the message. You're trying to tell this the message I want to tell, and I'll help you do it. So we shot the pilot and went out there with a bunch of different places. We got a bunch of old you gotta change this, and came back and reached out again and it was me. It was really just me. And then people was like, man,

we don't we don't know who he is. So the people that run hirep hop right now, the white people was like, well, I no idea was big, like who is he? Like what has he done? And something happened on the internet or something that people started talking about my money. I don't know what it was. And then they like some of the executives quote it and then they called back, was like, oh y'all have a party? Was that's the guy? And then they went on and

did it. So we came. So we came to the table and we was in negotiations and we signed or deal with them for for a lesser deal than I would have wanted to take three weeks before Nissey died. When when Nissey died, when Nissy died, we was already locked in the deal and I was like, probably quadruple or whatever it inst got going on to keep it one hunted. And I mean not to not to say it like that, but if this, if I hadn't sign the deal before before a little bro died, out of

hit him for a bag. But I mean, it's just like life was were signed that deal. I swear to good disgraction. I had signed the three weeks me and Nip was talking about it because Nip wanted to do the documentary or Big You, and it was like, got the people, I'm gonna line it up. Bro, I'm sitting down with the Blessing Company. I'm gonna introduce Big You. And and that's why when you see us in the studio or some of it. You see me and him

in the studio. We're talking about that. We had leaked up and we was rolling like you know, right before he passed. Man, it was the weird thing, is like, right before he passed, it was almost like he was in a different place with with with with with life and and his his philosophy. He was he calling me every morning, I'm for the road out on you and he come picked me up, you know what I mean. And he was just like, man, yeah, we're gonna do this. We should have do it like Top Dog and kids

tomorrow bringing you back. And I'm like, man, I ain't coming back to manage you man, And he's like you got to And I'm like, what about my old contract? He said, you still got the contract. You will be big you who will tell you that? And then it was um. So that's really how we got on the show. That's how the show started from Jimmy Chris. He came to me, I shot the pilot. Then I got involved. I said I got to be on the execta side and I gotta make it look a certain way. And

it ended up being a hell of phenomenal project. It started off as a one episode and we're just gonna break all five people down, and um we end up luckily getting a really intelligent and involved team. And it's what you've seen now. Have y'all seen it any episodes? I haven't seen this ship, but I'm going to go chap into it, like as soon as we get done with this. We're doing it because I saw something the

better and I said, when is this coming on? But then you know, you get caught up from life and everything like that, I'm saying, well, this is this is a y'all already. No, it's not out. It looks episode Our episode is episode one, West Coast episode is three and six Episode three is. To me, it's like the representation that when when y'all come in, when eight them come in, when Snoop come in, when the West Coast, because it's the East Coast version and you see that

East Coast influence. And then so the first question on it is where was you at a nineteen seventy nine? So imagine that being the question where were you in nineteen seventy nine? All of us can ask for that. Yeah, I was a horseman middle school and in nineteen seventy nine, when Rappers Delight hit, we was all trying to go back home learn that song come Back, and it was

the first rap song we had ever heard. But also in nineteen seventy nine, for me and Horseman, middle school was the start of the war between the Crypts and the crypts. So when hip hop hit us gang banging like we didn't like, we was fin about to meet was coming. The Crypts started fighting the Crypts and the death told in l A went crazy and we started seeing the honesty had never seen and that came with hip hop. And then crack went with hip hop. When

when when? When crack grew, it went across the country, and hip hop went with it around the country, and West Coast hip hop went with crack around the country, West Coast policing paramilitary police, and Style with Darrel Gates went across the country. We then became the epicenter of what hip hop looked like for the next fifteen years. Right, that's some real ship man, right, And it was it was crazy about everything. Man is um I laughed when I hear about people, because you, like I said, for

you're almost like a mythical figure. So when I'm talking to some of the cats back east and down so and they admission your name. He always asked me, man, what's up with Big You? When I'm saying, man, big you was a cool nigger, probably over their coaches some kids. That was some football and talking some ship. Because he's been avoiding my faith. He's been avoiding the faith with the all money coach still for a long time. And I love him. You let me, let me go only

get stealers credit. Man still have probably beat me for sure. And that's because it is I cannot recruit kids and still can recruit because I live in recruit. I live in the sixties. I'm from the sixties. It's just people not gonna let their kids play for me. Chris Yaws can always have a stick, but let's say this, You're gonna have at least six of mins on your team to play against me. So that don't work. So I mean, no matter how much work we do in our community,

y'all still come filter and filter impel our community. We go. Some of my hardest kids come from over there. But what if I was able to keep my kids and they because most of these parents, they don't know me, so they think I'm sitting around telling kids get the blue rag picked up you got. So this is really how any any coach can't get the kid not to come to me all these he gonna have your game back. And I and I fight this every day. You know, I fighted every single day. And I mean it's unfair.

I can stand down and cry about it, but you know what I do. I'm just gonna coach with I'm gonna coach will come. You know. One thing I want to say, man and wind go hold you no long time because I know you're a busy dude and we appreciate you coming on. One thing I will say is I'll pulled up for you over there and that felt nothing but loved on. Got the most free hot dogs I've ever gotten. It's been a wonderful environment. And so I want to say that to say this man. We

can't believe everything about our black people. Man, and we see online or some stuff, because it's always deeper than what you knew. You do a lot of incredible stuff for them kids over there. I saw one time that you was on getting the little young sisters they prom dresses and stuff, and a little boys they suits and stuff. Yeah, that was a two years ago and feel like you you you you just got to getting all the kids shoes and you get hook up with all the niggers

and get the kids shoes and all that type of ship. Man, there's a lot people perceive, you know, your reputation from what it was then what you do now because people don't want to look beyond. But that's what people have to be able to do. They have to be able to just like with you, James, the same ship. You hear your fucking name and people be like they think the same fucking affiliation. They don't know. I mentioned the suits and the shoes and all that. So if you

ever need a donation, let me know. The only person I go through now is uh, You're none. You know. She got severa angels over there, and I took a gang of ship answer turkeys. Uh, I bought a gang of ship for backpacks and all that ship show. Anything I can do to help with kids and homeless people, you can come me in. I drop it off anyway. So yes, I know what, especially with the stuff my

son doing out. You got always talked to Chris about him having to give back the community, right, I say, man, you know you go ahead and bus to check down. I said, who you want to help? He said, Pops, you know I'll be checking out. You know, he called you Coke Hempley. You know, the kids know he was coaching. And I'm saying, he said, I want to go over and help coach Henley. And then because you do it, cause y'all look out for them kids over there. Sc man. Yeah,

you know what I'm talking about. M hmm, because you know my son was at a gas station he should have been at one night and he said, Man, I know your pops, you know, take your ass. What is you doing over and take your ass back over the campus? You know? But man, I got one more question. I got two more questions to ask. What's up with the checking the in podcast? Man? Oh man? So really, um, I just really just put it together with the idea we'll figure out we're doing. And um the name came out.

It's uh, the name is udid. So it's like, I want the podcast to talk about the streets. I mean, look, it's exactly what y'all do. I looked at what y'all was doing, and when you was telling me about it, I didn't really want to do what I want to get a mite. And I figured a lot of people are telling men they don't wanna hear what you got to say. And they talked me into doing and I stand down and I did a couple of pilots, and

I'm like, man, I think I can do this. I think I can make people feel comfortable enough to really express theirselves and to be able to you know, chop it up on the couch and asking a hard question in in in the right way, you know what I mean. I don't want to do lad, I ain't trying to get nobody locked up. I don't want to do nothing shocking and and insistive. I want to do I won't be be at it really stopping up with a g That's that's what they're listening for. They just want to

hear your your one hunt and and love. As you're giving them that man, you got them all, you got them, They're gonna listen. Yeah, yeah, man. That's the beautiful thing about this podcast and stuff. It's really allowed us to have a voice for us, not going through no motherfucker where he can shop it up and make it sound like he wanted sound. No this coming straight from us and filter the raw. How many times were y'all shooting, like, how do y'all what's the platform? Man? Shoot we um

we shoot um. Like this week this is our second episode. We don't done this. We did the one that dropped them today already and this one we're doing now man to drop you know next week. This is drop on Thursday. So we do it once a week and sometimes, man, we've at times when we don't knocked off two and three shows in a week. Sometimes it's just like, you know, because like the convenient time for you to do the interview was Thursday at seven o'clock. Okay, that's when we

go do this interview, you know what I mean? Because it's a pride, right, you know what I'm saying, a lot of times it just be me James h Is sitting shopping up and that's our normal show we're doing every Tuesday. Man. But man, it's you know, it's the beautiful things that ain't remember the conversation. Don't even look at this interview. Yeah it's still good though. It's feel you know, it's feel good. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,

Just natural, you know what I'm saying. We're not trying to We're not trying to put him niggers up on some bullshit where people can come and express theirself, talk about their past, or talk about their positive inputs on their positive effects on what they're doing right now. So, like I said, a lot of motherfucker's when they hear your name or they hear who associated with ship, they

already get uh estimation of who you are. So we try to change that with this podcast and give people a platform where they can come and express theirselves and people can be like, man niggas is highly intelligent. Motherfucker's You feel me, right? You know? You just see that people? Is is? You know? Is my biggest thing with this ship is I'm trying to look but the outside of people. Look at people when they see a black man, don't look at it. You don't see just a crip or blood.

That's a man right there, because we all men before you anything else. You come into the world as a man or a woman. You know what I mean? Nothing else? Right? You know what I'm saying In this last question I got for you? What did what in your definition? Man? What did Nipsey mean of l A? What he meant to l A is? I don't know what he meant to the world, you know, asked you to the world.

But just he just icon like he's l A's icon. Well, let me, I gotta separate that because he what he meant to us is different, and what he meant to me is different, you know what I mean. I gotta tell you what he meant to me. He was my love. He was the one I seen first and I said he can do m you know what I mean. He was the one that I said, out of all the people I looked at, I said, to me, put your money on this. A lot of people don't know how hard.

You know what I mean, because you And that's the thing. People gotta understand that it took somebody to say this the one. So what the world seen is what I already see, you know what I mean, Like you saw that from the beginning exactly I saw it. I saw what the world had to later come to see. You know. I met him when he was a baby, and in my mind I knew he could become this because when I first met him, he was talking about bullets ain't

got no name. He was talking about crip walking. He was talking about sea walk and he was talking about that and in the conversations we had in the natural and the natural growth, he became what everybody else can respect and then try to equate the pocket and all that. But I've seen it first. That's the program still. But the most appropriate answer is I've seen it first, you

know what I mean. But out of all the artists in the world, you gotta remember I had I had been around Snoop, I had been around m C eight, I had been around Game, I've been around all these dudes. I've been around all these dudes before I wouldn't got him, and I had to in my mind say who could ride with them? Who am I gonna place my my

my one shot on? You know what I mean. So, and that's what people do when you when you see this show, you're gonna see in the documentary it's a lot of people taking in putting their word behind these artists, and these artists is gonna blow up because it got to be somebody say, looks, Ray, it's the one, right, it's the one. A Game m the one. And when it was my turn, I told the world, no, he's the one. So I can say to the world, now, you're always late. I already knew he's he is definitely

your contribution to hip hop. And I tell people that all the time. I say, man, you was he just wasn't know over night stuff because I thought it was genius what you did two handle holds. No, no longer, I just thought it was genius. You kind of threw people off at first because sometimes you would have warning red based phone caps in the videos and other stuff. It wasn't like you, No, it wasn't like no, like what you did was genius. That was a fight in

the hood too. Let's keep that one hunted. That was a fight in the hood. That was a fight because you gotta remember when I came home, I don't want nobody. I don't want to set trip and I want my sons to feel like you know blood you know, because you know this like I was. That was purpose That was purposeful. I purposely did not make sure I watched every video in his early videos, I listened to every lyric.

We can't put that out. We ain't gonna sub this these niggers, we ain't gonna cross this out of the wall. When because when we came with this, you don't understand, bro. We was the first movement to not claim a city, we claimed a set. So it was very difficult because we didn't claim Compton, we didn't claim Watts, we didn't claim the Long Beach, we didn't claim l A. We claimed Rolling Sixties. And so it was a lot of people that was like, no, you can't do that, you

can't do it. And I'm like, why were this and nobody went for the this, nobody with the Llena, Nobody We're gonna do and it was and when in the beginning he didn't want to do no songs with nobody, but wrote the sixties and dudes, it was affiliated with us. So it was put into like, now, man, we gotta do this. We god, you know, and he was he had us. Yeah, he had his feeling. He was young, he was a tiger man. He was you know, he was a cup he's ready to get on. But he

got it. He got it. We need to do this, you know, we gotta do this to make this. We gotta do this, we gotta They started seeing it was a bigger picture without without you doing that, though, just imagine where he would have been. He probably would have made it if he didn't have that understanding or got that understanding from the big homies, you know what I'm saying.

So you pretty much gotta get yourself credit for what you created, and that's showing him that he had to be like versatile in the game to to be successful. And he did that got you shocked. He had he had to be able to receive it and then put it back out, and he was great. He took he took what little I gave him, and then what what a bigger example I gave him? And he made it work. You know, we were together for a short period, but my influence in my neighborhood and my example in my

neighborhood still poor than to him. When we had the beef. You understand, it was very short lived. It was longer to everybody else in the world because the end of it made it long. You know what I mean. We had a we had a we had a one day beat that people made long. But we always talked and we always built all the whip into the day past, you know what I mean. You know, so I love that I'm not the one who has to say I didn't get to tell him my love you. I don't

have that. I don't have that that demon. I'm not the one who who who? Who? Gotta say I missed him and I gave him his award while he was living. I gave the only award he ever guy. Ye know, I mean, man, were you man? I can't thank you enough man for coming on the show. I know this is gonna be big, man, because we got to do that pretty much. You know. It's anonymous with the face of l A. They look at the map, but probably a picture You'll ask from that motherfucker for you know

what I mean. They gotta be high in the back, like man, be glad to get you on your man because you like, like I said, I don't know you a long time man, and I'm just real, I can't say enough good stuff about you. If you do a lot of incredible stuff in the community and we appreciate your brother. I'm back after the thing dropped, after offensively dropped, I'm coming back right well. That concludes another episode of

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