EP 90: Westside w/TQ

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Make sure you download the I Heart Apple and subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles For my Apple users, hit the Purple Mica on your front screen, subscribe against the Chronicles and leave a five star rate in the comment. What's up, everybody? Welcome to another episode a Gangster Chronicles. Not with my homeboy tonight. You know, unfortunately on other brothers, m C incapacitated at the moment. He's gonna be all right. He's

in the hospital right now. We ask y'all, all y'all have to keep my man and prayers and also keep our brother Reggie writing prayer. It's a lot of stuff going on right now. Dog, Well, let it be known clear that they don't have cold. You just you just up under some ovel. But he's gonna be all right, and we're gonna hold it down to to come back. We got stuff going on with Trump right now. Man.

Trump is out there acting the food but they like they're about to turn him his ass man, but they should, they should and and and you know there's a lot of ship going on with that, Like you're shating the ride and then five people that got killed these basically getting away with it. Ain't nobody's been charged with murder yet, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's crazy because motherfucker's died on here. Man, you know what not to be rude. Man, we got a special guest and like, man, we gotta

pay t Q and the building with us. Man, Yeah, and then here, what's up? What's up? Somebody else gonna take the fall for this man, you know. And I even heard something that I heard something on what I'm seeing in this morning man to dude was talking about trying to part in himself Trump. Yeah, well he was. He was pretty warning not to do that. Don't even try that. But Trump doing what he want to do. But he's just showing the people how you getting down,

and he's just being one honey with it. But one motherfucker don't dictate. And this is what he's doing, dictating ship right now on how he want to run ship or what people should be doing, because he wanted to do it, and he shouldn't be allowed that. I couldn't do that, Oh no, none of us could, you know. So I just think it's all full of ship. You know, you're inside the ride and and five people die in the process of that, and you just lock motherfucker's up.

But ain't nobody being charged with the murders If I killed the police officer in the middle in the midst of a crime. They've been to put my ass on death road. They've been to do me bad. Oh yeah exactly. And then and then you know the other component thats you got with that, bro. You are in the government facility. You are inside of government facility. And I think, um, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think if you go to a government facility and do something, man, ain't

that like worse? Yeah? It is worse. It is. It's something right though. Man, I've been in that building before. Man, that place be that places fortified. There's so many people in there were guns constantly. How could that just happen like that? I think that's because that way of thinking. Then infiltrated some of them police, and you got twelve of them. That's that's being looked at. Two of them

don't resigned. Trump had the motherfucker's in his pocket and he let him walk on when just walk on through that motherfucker like that? No, That's what I was thinking, because I've been for the Capitol building before too. And then you know if you walk close to that grass and somebody who secret service saying you gotta get back, well, like that man st looked up on that roof all the guns pointed at you, and constantly they ain't no way, ain't no way. There ain't no way, man. So he

has something to do with that. And see these people knowing now all of them is kind of turned their back on them, and they're like, oh, he went too far. And a lot of people are generally upset though. Yeah, if there is, they need to show it, and they need to show people that regardless of the color of your skin, you're gonna be You're gonna you, You're gonna be dealt with accordingly if you cross ther line like that. Look at Black Lives Matter. Trump shut the whole National Guards,

at that ash Man, the whole nine. You just see none of that ship. And then you the cold part about it. You see the white boys, Nason, the police man. That wouldn't have happened. Somebody would have got shot somebody. Yeah, man, it would have been a whole lot of deaths. Man. So you know that's the ongoing thing. Man. I wanted to ask you about some stuff, don't t That's why I hit you up, man, because I know you don't do a lot of interviews, so we appreciate you coming on. Man.

Ain't nothing you third off with a group coming to age. Then y'all broke up and you put like one of the biggest records out of the nineties. After that, I always wanted to ask you, how did you come up with that West Side? I don't know, man, that was honestly, that was that was organic, man. I walked into I walked into the studio and it was just good musicians

in their gym. And at the time when I walked in there it was it was Mike Moseley, Rick Rock from the Bay and Uh and my Man Family Fammy og Tuna and Rick Rock was playing on the drums when I walked in, Fammy was playing on the piano and they was just playing a melody and to me it sounded like they was playing the track to Dear Mama, but they was doing some funky other beat to it. And so I was there to meet Mike Moseley because at the time I was signed to a to another label.

I was signed to Atlantic and I was having problems with them, and I was there to meet Mike to do some writing with him, and like I couldn't I couldn't pay attention because I just kept listening to what they was making in there, So I asked my I'm like, man, can I just get on that beat? And he came in. When I started writing, he started messing around on the beat machine, and about fifteen minutes, Man, it was a song man. You just legendary cats in there because Mike Man,

all them cats man, they held debate down. They held music right and Rick Ruck still going to day he Ship jay Z and everybody else. Man, So you kind of gave them cast they start them. I mean now they was already popping. They was down here working on on some other projects actually, and then that day when we did west Side, we kind of hit it off and I just I went to the I just went to the Bay. That's where I kind of kicked off that.

I just started recording with Mike and all them Bay artists, and uh that that ship happened for about a year, maybe before I even put anything out. I was just doing hooks in the Bay with like all kinds of people, man Mac maull and like Sam Queen and rbl Posse, all of these cats. Um just going studio the studio with Mike really um working with casts like Sam Bostic, Studio tone Um and Banks all them casts up there

I used to work with. So when I did, when I actually did an album, that's how forty and Short knowledge them ended up on. It was through Mike and all it pick up to the homie too Short forty yeah, man, And you know what's crazy, man, It's like that you start not make sense because I always looked at you like it's an R and B singer, but you moved like a rapper. Yeah, I mean, that's what I was always around. Really, I didn't really. I didn't after I

the group. That was like my experience with R and B. After that, I didn't really I didn't really have no R and B I was. I was always doing music with rappers. I used to always make music with rap producers and even when I left, I went to a rap label. So it's just it was always raped and and even even before I started doing music professionally, Like I mean, I listened to the n w A more than I listened to to any of the R and

B music that was out at the time. When it came down to R and B, I was into like my mom the records, which was it was ohd Ship, it was you know, Marvin Gay Motown, you know Stevie Wonder that type of ship. So I didn't really I didn't really get into like the early nineties or the eighties, uh r and B. It was mostly rapped and and pop, you know, Michael Jackson and Prince and that's the ship I was into when I was young as far as

like singing win everything else. Man, it was just wrapped constantly. So I think that just kind of screwed I just I never was a rapper. I just always saying, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you came out here originally from Alabama. You're from Compton, right, Compton, California? Correct? Yeah, I left Alabama when I was a year old. When to come year old? So yeah, you come throm James here from the city right right, He's from me from

the city. Man. And you know, one thing I wanted to ask you make is for as far as as long as I knew and you you've had a really great fan base, man, have been able to tour a whole lot and go out to come for you real big overseas and everything. How did you wind up doing a deal with cash money because you was on you weren't on the to get that time you was on

one of them. You know, I was having up. I was just having this issue with Sony where their international company was just a lot bigger and a lot more powerful than the domestic company, and like, you know, we kind of saw out of eye with that with that side of the company. But I'm an American artist, so I kept button heads with with the domestic side of the company. And it was like every time I would talk to Slim, he would always have the same idea that I would be trying to, you know, trying to

get across the Sony that they just didn't get. Like they was just some slick New York dudes. They was on this real slick R and B ship. They didn't really feel like like my subject matter and all this and that, Like they wanted to change the ship that me and Mike was doing. They didn't want Mike, Rick Rock, none of them on my on the next album that I was doing. Um, we did my album and then

we can gotta deal. So once that West Side song came out and it did what it did, they wanted to just kind of take over and turn me into a a different kind of artist. I wasn't really for that. Um Slim had the best idea, Baby had the best idea. I'd always see them in passing and Um when we was on up in Smoke, they they told me that they have been trying to get me out of my deal, and Sony told him to stop stop calling me. Basically yeah, exactly.

So they told me they was like, man, if you can get yourself out of there, you know, we gotta deal for you and we'll sign you in a minute. So I just kind of set about trying to get myself away, and and that's how it happened. Like really, you know, I had it ships with Ju being with v G. Like we would always see each other on the road. They fucked on music heavy. I funk with their music heavy, and they would always tell me how

much Baby and Slim like my ship. So it the beginning of the relationship just came on mutual respecting each other's music. So we would hang out a lot. I would always go down there work with them, be in the studio of doing songs with him. We would cross each other out if they were doing the show. They would always be like, Hey, come get on stage with us tonight, and I get in their show. And do west Side. So they did a lot to like baby, put a lot of a lot of UH radio stations

and ship in the South onto my music. So I'm like, okay, this this seemed real, This seemed organic. Like this some the some niggas that really like what I do. I shouldn't have to change too much. So let's let's let's go on and do it. Yeah, man, there with some cold I read your stuff. There was some cold cats at the end of the day. Um, it was like some shi night tapping niggers. You know, they look out for you, but they ain't looking out for you, you

know what I'm saying. And you know, the whole thing is, you know, he had all these brothers out of the penitentiary that did ten in twenty and here it is on the bus and he's starving them. And then you got And my whole thing is the guys that death Road was pretty much the same way was being starved.

Nobody never came up. Why do you think that those guys had that security and people look at them like that and don't they don't have problems because they got security like that, But then they starve you to death. I don't know. Man. I know I tell you this much from the side when you started looking around and you're saying, like, okay, all these niggas that that's these are all killers, right. We didn't literally pull the busses up to different penitentiaries and pick these niggas up. These

niggas complaining about their food. You know what I'm saying. It's looking grinding around here. I'm like, that's part of the reason why I bounced. It's like, bro, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be in this type of situation, right. It just don't make no sense where it ain't just like one two niggas eating like nigga, you are feasting, and it's very easy to take care of these niggas that you got on this bus. That's not hard to do at all. At the same time, I don't know

what psychic psychological games being played. I don't know what the history, and none of these niggas are. I don't know what the private comments. These ain't my homies. I'm not from down there, you know what I'm saying. So I don't know if he starving somebody as as some payback for something they did. I don't know what the

funk going on. So I think the guys stayed there because, you know, getting out of prison and which is the same scenario we had it death bro, you know, getting out of prison and ain't got a you know, Robin still to eat, and you you you're thinking, Okay, the homie got me. You know, they want to stay there, you know what I'm saying, because at any time half the motherfucker's that was on the line right there could

did this Nike an end, you know what I'm saying. Whatever, they stay there, and so they love to just thinking one day this nigger gonna give me mine or I'm gonna get mind doing it. And it never happened. It never happened. And it's crazy how motherfucker's that ain't really getting down like that, that can mind fuck a cat that's done twenty years. Yeah, it's a trip. It's a trip. Started stopped making sense to me. So that's when I had to get on and cut it, you know what

I'm saying. Yeah, man, you know when the thing he was that was a big part because y'all put on some plastic records during that time. So you're with these cats, man, and you rolling with them right, Um, you and Birdman is kicking it. Man, when did you start first kind of outside of him treating his home he's bad? Man? When did you first kind of like get the inkland? That stuff wasn't right over there, you know what. Um?

When I first got to New Orleans, Um, Like, before I signed down there, I would spend my time with Julie or with d G right, and they would have me in the neighborhoods. I would always just be in the neighborhoods. But after I signed, when I actually was down there by myself, I started seeing how Now just imagine you go to a new place where where you didn't linked up with these niggas and that they running it. They got big records, you didn't. You know, y'all y'all

doing y'all making good records and everything. But every time you're back at home, the people in the city is kind of who who loved me already? Because I was they already played my records down there a lot in the first place. That's why. That's how any of these people know who I am. Right, But the people will always be like, oh, why are you working with them? Ah? The niggas ain't ship ah, baby fucked up. He didn't see that blue blue. Man. It's always it was never

nothing positive. People would always tell me, man, you should have signed a masterpiece all over the city. Yeah, as soon as I got there, Literally as soon as I got there. So one day I'm at the gas station and I'm right outside of a Baby's neighborhood. I walk in to pay for gas. Here comes see Murder, Magic, Silk, and Simonia all in the store like in babies neighborhood. And I'm fresh, I'm fresh from l A. So you know what I'm thinking in my head, I'm thinking, it's yeah,

so I'm like, damn, what is this ship about? Literally there they even say, and you don't know what you signed these fun as niggas far and so you imagine like I'm there, I'm the only R and B Dude, I'm thinking I'm about to really like, yeah, I'm about to get it because I'm literally the only singer around. He am about to be writing on everybody's ship. And then literally like first weekend, you just kind of get this. It's just like this negative air about the ship, not

necessarily within the camp. All that was cool at that point, but the people in the place where they're supposed to be holding it down. Didn't really seem to be feeling them like that. So they just they had that reputation. Um, I don't know what period this was. Was this about the time because because Juvenile was the nigga over there for a long time, man, because this was the beginning, Like this was right after his first This was right

after back that ass up. So in between back that ass up and like that, that year behind that was all of the time when I was like traveling with them, trying to get myself office Sony and signed to them basically okay, so so so let me get this straighten up for the people. So you was running with them for a year or so before you even was able to get off of Sony. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like I was still I was still on tour and ship. Um, Like I would do shows and we would be in

the same city or we would be close. Baby would send his van from me, or send a card from me or any of that. Sometimes I would do my show then to go today show. So it was just times when it was just like we were just at first, Like I said, it was just a respect of the music. You know what I'm saying. The nigga would call me, hey man, once you come down here, I want you to get on a couple of records with a couple of people. So I go around the end, write some books,

sing them, we go do a show. Baby always paid me, bro always from the beginning to the end. I never had no kind of money problem with the nigga. But I know all of the niggas that did, and they're not lying, you know what I'm saying. Like I was there, I watched the ship, but I can't join in the in the whole. I can't joining the whole conversation about not being paid because he acted funny one time with my money at the end, and my lawyer got involved

and I got my ship quick. That wasn't number like a little dirty day to like. Since then, it ain't never been no problem before the end, ain't never been no problem. But I'm not here vouching for the nigga saying that he ain't you know what I'm saying, because I don't see how you can did other people. He was just testing you at that time, probably so probably

so you know what I'm saying. But I got commentsening stuff Man, it's like if if it's like the walls start closing in and when you're from somewhere else and you're around some niggas, that and y'all just different and it ain't necessarily good or bad. It's just that it's different. You're looking at it from a different eye, you know what I'm saying. So I'm paying attention, like and I'm

like this ship that ran this course. Um, at the end of the day, what I did while I was there, I'm gonna be able to I'm gonna have for the rest of my life because it was all right, and it was all publishing ship, you know what I'm saying. I didn't have to really get into I never signed my publishing to them or none of that kind of ship, so I didn't have to, like, you know, it was a lot of desperation, a lot a lot of times niggas make niggas and make bucked up decisions because they desperate.

They got miles to feed or whatever. The fun and and and they go all money ain't good money. And luckily I was in a position where I had some ownership of my ship, even the ship that I did with them, So it was it's kind of easy to make decision. This ship don't look right and take my ass home. You know, you were you were in a different situation and those other guys, because he had those other guys since they was kids, and they kind of

came into the business with him. You was a veteran already, you had already put out a couple of records, You knew the game already, so he and then you came here. Lawyer up. I'm pretty sure when um he met those other guys, he was on some homely ship and they just started doing home business and they never got you know, it never got passed the homely business. He was just giving them whatever they could be comfortable. And sometimes, you know,

when you were kids, you accept that. Then what happens. He was like, you look at Wayne's situation. Wayne is thirty some years old now, Wayne, you know it was around when he was fourteen thirteen. It was cool. It was cool to walk around back then with twenty five hundred in your pocket and you know, a little compressed

or whatever it is that you're driving in. But as you get older and the records ain't selling like they used to, when the shows ain't coming, you know because Wayne, stay on the road, man, but that money ain't coming like it's supposed to. When you start kind of looking a little bit like, damn man, I've kind of been getting sunked over a little bit. Yeah, you know what happened. And then you can if the way I was looking at it, just like you know, I kind of heard

some some some horror stories going in. But at the same time I knew I was protected as far as my copyrights and mine publishing with anything I wrote was gonna be mine, like regardless that was. That was whether I signed to them or whether I signed to somebody else. That's what it was. At Sony. It wasn't no way I was gonna go backwards, you know what I'm saying. But my thing was they came to me like, man, we expanded, like we we're about to do some real

big ship. They started stretching out and grabbing people from every day. That's when they signed Gilly. When they signed Mac, Like when they offered me my deal, it was me and corrupt, they was offering him one too. So they was trying to turn the ship that they were doing into some global ship. Right. He he wanted to take over and so I'm looking at like then he had

got that switched. They law firm from some you know, some country people that they were dealing with too, a bigger law firm, which my Lloyd was like, okay, okay, this might be a good move. So, you know, they was trying to I think he was trying to get out the gutter a little bit, which I was intrigued by that nig was talking about are we gonna do sponsorships with this shoe company and that and blah blah. I'm like, okay, that sounded good. You know what I'm saying.

That sounds like baby too, because Baby, to tell you, I know, baby, you know we deal with him with glasses man. Right when you went baby, I'll tell you what Baby's problem is. When you with him, he would make you feel like he's about to have you on top of the world. Man, you feel and then when it's time to do all that ship you can't catch this nigger or I don't know it. Who is you? You know? That's what they called man? Baby? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Baby? Why his sister hold on, hold on no rowl up.

Why do they call him baby because he acts like one? That's what his sister tell me, Oh, wow, you gotta get what he wanted. U. Hey, that's it, man, that's it. That's what his brothers said, that's what his sisters say, That's what his family say. So Baby, Man, you know what, Man, you was one of the first people. Man. You were one of the first ones to really bring that out there. Man, because because you know you are dude out here from the city of Compton. Man, when did you see him

kiss them dudes in the mouth? Man? I had to ask you this for the fans. The fans require lines want to know and man, him and Wayne listening, that was doing that ship from the beginning. Bro Like Wayne used to call a baby Paul, and baby used to call Wayne's son. I never hear them call each other their names. It's always Paul and son. I saw a baby kiss his son Brian, just like he kissed Wayne. So to me, this ship was weird from the first time I saw it. I used to tell him it

was weird. I they used to laugh at me because it used to stress me out and they didn't give a funk. And anytime I would get the clown and there talking about it, Baby would be like Nigga that's my son. I don't give a funk about what you gotta say about it or what nobody else gotta say about it. That's my son, and I'm kiss my kid

and mouth and what the funk I'm gonna say. But then when you do that ship in public and you got all these people around watching, come on, man, you're putting us in a position where people gotta come to me asking me about why y'all kissing. I don't really want wanted to be in a position to be explaining that to nobody. Here was twenty some years later, you still explained, Still gotta explain. And and it's like somebody caught a picture I'm doing it at this video shoot.

Baby and Puffy had a video shoot, um and one of the photographers call him doing it, and like I'm on the edge of the picture making a face at him because all of the girls from the video shoot is watching them doing this ship and Wayne is about to leave Baby telling them by, just like they do every day, and like that'sh it just embarrassed to funk. That was the first time they did it. They that's just how they It's just them, bro. You know one

thing that really liked and tripped me out with them. Man. I remember when cash Money first came out, they was wearing the blue rags. The next thing, you know, the red X came and uh, I was you know, and I saw Wayne in the video took the red out of his pocket and threw it on the ground, and I was thinking, I said, Man, this bold dude don't even know how the gang banging, right, because he can

get d dpip like that right. And I don't know nothing about all that, but I know when they hooked up with shuged that, Uh he got the call in a few of them saying they from the neighborhood, and they this and that, and it was like, you never know, I don't know these dudes, So I don't know where that ship came from. I guess they was just riding with Shugar and and you know, getting in where they fit in. And you know, should have happened like that,

especially in the music business. Now, you know, you see a lot of motherfucker's this way and then next year you're gonna see him another kind of way. Uh. In the hood, you don't you don't get too much of that, and you know, niggas don't respect that, but I means on man's on. You know what the record, Qayne is a cool nigger. Wayne is all you know, Wayne is actually an alright guy man, and Baby is not a bad dude. He just got sucked up habits. Yeah, A

good way to put it. You know he's got it is what it is, man, The truth is the truth. You know it was what it is. I ain't the first or the last nigger that said talk bad habits. Just farther just kissing his sons in the mouth, you know, you know, you know that's a bad that's a personal habit he needs to work on. But you know, each his own. You know, I don't have none against that, if that's what you're into. But you know, you know

he's bad stunning man. You know, kissing people in the mouth ain't too you know, ain't too stunning like that? Ain't two gangs to me? Well, you know some cats might feel that. You know, this is my son, you know what I'm saying. I raised then I can kiss my son. Will Smith kiss his son? That's that same thing or that different. I don't know that he's ain't I'll tell you that much. That's what let me ask you all this because y'all both got sons. I got two sons and they was one of the kids I

kissed on the cheat. I've never kissed either one of my sons in the mouth. Then when they was little like babies, I didn't one of their babies and you do that just different. But what's my times? Got pasted like four and five? Dude. It was always pounds my sons. Even now it's a pound? What's up, pops? You know what I mean? I still I still kiss my kissing on the cheek, kissing niggas gonna check. Nothing wrong with that.

But you know that another man, because I don't know, people know, James, the niggas was taking they was lip blocking. Yeah it was, it was. It was. Now you're to kissing if I don't think the time kissing right niflocking? Still you got to clean that ship up. Yeah, this is what I mean when I say I'm not gonna grab my son like this and go like this them his lips touching. Man. Yeah, oh yeah, they showing kissing. Bro, They kissed they you know. But I'm saying I can't

say I got used to it. You can't never get used to it. But the nigger answered it the same way any time I said anything about it, And then it just became a joke because they literally didn't give a funk what I thought or what nobody because stage that's that. And Wayne was just like bathing me, that's my pault. I don't give a funk what you're talking about. T same thing, you know. One thing, man, I gotta give him, guys, because Wayne was with him for a long time, so baby was like it was like his

father figure. That's why it was so like, and that's why I was so kind of puzzling. Uh, cut up, Yeah, it's yeah, that's some crazy ship man. You know, kissing your shoe and it ain't your shn it ain't you son to a different put you on a different level. Yeah, And I picked you out out there riding on that bus with them catch under that condition, man, I wouldn't.

I couldn't have I couldn't have fun with it like that, because if you ain't treating me right while we're out here, you ain't gonna treat me right when we get you the hood. Real talk, And that's probably how some of them people was getting at you, like these niggas ain't ship. You know what I'm saying that exactly, and you know how many times it's been a many times. And they get on the bus and came to me like, man, can I get surprised and some teeth? Mind, get me

something to eat? You know what I'm saying, the funck And we just came on fucking tuning. We on our way back to this nigga and we just nigga passed out bags of money. Like what the niggas on that bus didn't get ship? What the fuck? Like, come on, man, and that's the bus full of killers. No, this ain't gonna somebody that much of the shoot up. Nigga, you need to break bread man, stop right here, you know. And you know it's funked up because at the end of the day they wind up back in the hood

and and and these niggers keep pushing right. No, I don't know what I say this much. Though I say this much. I saw I saw the nigga not too long ago, and it was some of the same niggas still there, still there. So I don't know. I don't know what you say about that. You know what I'm saying, Maybe act together, maybe didn't. Maybe the nigga is stupid. Maybe they I don't know. I don't know, but I

know it's some of the same niggas. That's just like with like with suld you know, motherfucker's don't know what else to do. Is that what it is? Yeah, time is I mean they gotta be making enough to live then, yeah, they well they're getting something plush Man death Row had. Motherfucker's getting a little raggedy ass chick m still with their little hustle. I did shilling crack on the corners

and ship. When you sing the industry like that, or working with the nigger that's making money like that, you come to get me. You're telling me you come to take me out the hood, right, that's what you should be doing. But if you go down like that, and then you know a lot of motherfucker's was coming and going.

But then at the end of the day, the ones that was your killers man ain't going nowhere, and they were selling off that the homies they rather dies and niggas they broke bread with just they on the motherfucking on on board with this dude, and money is a motherfucker. But you know, some cats feel like they gotta do what they gotta do to be relevant, you know, and that's a cool way to be Ain't the way in the world. A nothing that's nigga can run motherfucking killers

and ain't supposed to happen like that, nah now at all. Well, I think Big Bro would have goes back to what she was saying earlier exchange, it's always that whole because see, as long as you got that whole, and you already know when you ship shaking in the hood, you know what I mean. So people would rather almost be on the road because you get this, go to some places and ship like that. But you would think man with all the bread baby was getting what was they per

diemed like on the road? I'm pretty sure that perdem was like Fis or some ship like that wasn't Oh no, no, no, you know what, I don't you know what, I honestly

don't know. I honestly don't know, because like I didn't ride the bus with them niggas, and like I didn't my pay scale wasn't like everybody else's because I made most of my money for writing ship, you know what I'm saying, Like like we would do the tours or whatever, and you know, I make a little money on the tours or whatever, but in the studio, burman Is is relentless. Like well, at the time when I was there, like that, Nigga was about that catalog, that catale, all that catalog

songs on top of songs on typ of songs. And the more I was in the studio, the more than Nigga would pay. So that's where I wanted to spend all my time. So a lot of times they would be off doing whatever they're doing, and I'd be refresh or I'm with Jazzy, or I'm with somebody making the music. And I didn't get paid at the same time as them, like none, None of my ship was like theirs. So that's why I said in the beginning like I just had just financially, I just had a totally different experience

than them. That's why I think I lasted for so long, because a lot of the bullshit was going on over my head, Like we would literally go to the mall and tear the motherfucker down. Every nigger come out of there with boxes and boxes and ship. Right, it looked to me, at least at first, like everybody is fine, but it was also the trips when they was on the Chipley circuit, which I wouldn't take because I'd be

in the studio. So I don't know what. I know that it started getting bad because we started traveling a lot. Like after we did his album, we really started doing a lot of touring, and that's when it was more kind of just stopping in different spots to being in the studio as opposed to like we would normally just me and Fresh would be camped up in Atlanta just record, record,

record for weeks at a time. Then after Birdman's album came out, started traveling a lot, and that's when I started seeing like how the ship really was going for a lot of the niggas out there. And you know, I'm saying, just so you can get the picture of this baby in the kind of road like you do. You know how you don't fly on nothing like that. Say that, but they're all plus three six or five days a year, Yeah, with back with bags of money that I've never did them. Dude, don't give no planes

at all. So you know, you got two of the biggest people man to me. And for the record, we're seeing a lot of negative stuff about cash may not a negative is just the truth. But one thing out will say, cash money has had a stronghold on rap since the nineties even on up until you know the whole you got the Drakes because you know, every time you look up and say, man, the niggas it's done, Wayne is gone, juvenile gone, it's somebody else that kind

of pop up and take that man on. So as far as them being you know, black executives, man, I gotta give them their props with that because they keep the train moving. That they keep the train moving, for sure, but you think about how much bigger they would have been because one thing about it, their level of production hasn't been the same since Fresh left. So you would think, if I'm gonna pay anybody, I'm gonna make sure this motherfucker's many stay straight. You don't make sure Wayne be cool,

you know what I mean? And that's about it. Because everybody that's that's in there and that's managing people, they they should think like that. You would think you would take a tupack in, sit his ass and on the chef somewhere and keep him out of harm's way for everything and anything. You would think, you know, all of these guys. You know, I don't know if they motherfucker's just just friends, be friending each other and just get too loose with it. But you gotta think about what's

making your money. If you lose what's making your money, you ain't gonna make no money. And it's a it's a fun up thing that you know, why the industry have to take advantage of talent? You know what I'm saying, Why do they have to take advantage of you? I mean, if a motherfucker just can't one hundred, have been one hundred and stay one hunted, you still have a lot of motherfuckers together right now in to day. But I've seen from the temptations all the way to the ship.

Now motherfucker's have a problem with money, you know, feeling that they're being cheated. If you know what you're signing in and know what you're doing, it shouldn't be a problem. One. The biggest problem is though, the biggest problem is the temptation of Uh. It's some kind of thought process. Man. I don't I think the devil me, but it's some kind of thought process that that people have that I don't know if it's just trying to take the quick, easy way out, or the easy money or the fastest

money or whatever. But whatever that that little conversation is that people have with themselves. They lose a lot of ownership that way, right, And when you're dealing with the type of people that we're talking about, you got to have ownership. If you got ownership, they can't treat you like they treat everybody else exactly. A lot of it's been a lot of talented people that for whatever reason, have been in a position of leverage and they've given

their ownership away. And that roll of the dice works negatively more than it works positive when you know where the lt And this would I tell people, and and this happens a lot, man, with especially us, because usually we're coming out of the situation, like you said, man, the world we live in property. Right when we first fought in these situations, we got talent, but we don't necessarily have nobody around. It's like one person. I gotta

give props to a Charlotte man. Yeah, when he came to us and he asked us what was most important, we told him, you know, we wanted to keep owning our content. And he said he never had no intention on taking our content man. And I think a lot of people when they're coming up them situations, the first thing they think of is a check, right m But they don't know what's behind that check. It ain't no sex.

Thing is free money. Somebody give you a check. The bigger that check hills, the more they are going to take out of your stuff. And when we're getting the place right now, man, that we're all content. Remember you used to just be music that was valuable. Yeah, this particular interview that we're doing, for example, right now, motherfucker's gonna be looking at the twenty years from now, possible time,

twenty thirty years from now. So now we're in this thing to where you have to be really careful and cautious to all y'all out there when you are exampling these situations and endeavors. Don't just think about how much money you're gonna give me, your friend. You can go earn your money. You can work for your money and make plenty of money. You know what I'm saying. You have to really look better behind the things, behind the details,

because the motherfucker's word and ships whatever on that paper. Yeah, exactly what you got that want to want to get it, get it quick, get that quick money, opposed to being talked how to let your money grow. We don't understand that that kind of shep let your money grow. I got a little money, but I keep doing what I'm doing. My money gonna grow. We gotta learn how to say it. We'ren't doing that. There's one chip that told me about the big coins I'm getting in the big coins now,

So I mean, we don't know shit about that. Okay, that's that's right, you know, But I gotta ask you, man, what's that I heard you? If you did something with R Kelly Man? Is he a cool dude? Or is he just scanders like everybody says that was man? He Uh, he's a he's weird. He's very weird. But but he's a genius. He's weird because he's a genius. And most people I've been around that's that talented, that's that gifted, is some kind of thing about them that's just kind

of off. So like he his that dude is just about music and about women and everything everything every other extension him it comes from them two things. So when you're working with him, it's tons of women around when you win the studio, if the women don't like what you're working on, you're gonna erase the ship and start over. Women are there to tell the nigga if it's good or not. And he gonna listen to the women over listening to anybody else. That's why he That's why he

should sound like that. And yeah, the nigga, you know, he just he freaky nigga. You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't know about the whole all the kids and all that kind of ship. I know all the time I spent around him, all the brawls that was there. They was getting paid handsomely to be there doing they was doing, and what none of them upset about? Nothing, right, That's what I could say about that was outside of that, it was it was. It was a lot of music.

We was working on, the best of both worlds. Part two. Yeah, I was supposed to be what I was about to ask you. That was supposed to be and Man Woman. It was supposed to be Birdman and R Kelly supposed to be Birdman and R Kelly instead of uh Kelly and jay Z. Kelly and jay Z had fell out and we all flew up to Chicago. He's like, man, come on, let's get done. Is what happened. We had we was on tour um with Nelly them after that first trial situation of his and booing Gotti. Baby had

just signed him. We was in Chicago and they wanted to bring him out on stage and he was scared. He was like, they're gonna boom me. They're gonna boom me. So we all backstage trying to pump him up to come up, come on out. The nigga came out, they did Yester together, everybody went crazy, and then it was

that was it. He was back on because he had been like out of the just like out of the way for a while after that little trial situation at the first one and uh after that, he just kind of felt like, man, Baby, I oh you because like you, you know, gave me my mojo back kind of some ship like that. So he was like he had fell out with jay z Um, they still got he still got an obligation to do the best of both worlds. So he's like, well, I me and you just do it.

And that boy and the baby was exciting, and Baby was like, man, I gotta get my people on this. He was like, I need teach you riding some ship. I need fresh doing some beats. I need Jazzy on this ship. And he wayne up here, and so Kelly was like, man, y'all, just come on up here and stay with me. We do all the ship at the house and we have parties, we have pool parties, have bitches all over the place, and let's just do some rock star ship. Sure enough, we went up there and

that's what we did. Yeah, well man, and what was the end result of that? You know what I gotta ask? Uh so so, so you know you said when you said that was supposed to be that Part two was supposed to be even him right, So basically, I don't know what happened, But like Nikki, Kelly just all of a sudden flip. I don't know if he stopped answering the phone, but we stopped working with the nigga stopped going up there all of a sudden, Best of both worlds Part two was out with him and fucking jay Z.

They didn't know nothing about it. And boy, you're talking about hurt, but we was all hurt. Nigga. It was all sad because I have our six songs on that motherfucker. I'm like, man, this is I'm about to bounce after this. I'm like, boy, when this album comes out, I got some I got some copyright on this one. At the time, it was kind of you know, I was getting it was getting towards the end of it, I was I

don't want to do my own thing. I was falling off overseas and like it was a big chunk of my money that used to come from overseas before I even went to cash money. And the nigga just would never let me, just never wanted me to go. Any time I would have a tour or something, somebody come up with something for me to do, he would always, well, how much money you ain't gonna pay you. I'll tell him he said, I'll give you more than that, And

I end up staying. And then once it got towards the end of it, I'm like, man, I gotta I got some other other opportunities. So I had a situation for myself at Warner Brothers after this deal was over and this last the option for the last year was my option wasn't there. So when that option came up, man, I just bounced and I thought I was gonna be able to bounce with that best of both worlds part two, you know under my Belt. Yeah, oh that nigga low down for that. But again, like I don't know what

happened behind closed doors. I know what I know Birdman was was he was shocked. As far as he was concerned, he was shocked. We was all shocked because the album was the ship. If I could have got away with them songs, nigga, who them niggas had a them niggas had a masterpiece. I don't know where them songs at. I don't know who got ownership of them or what because I ain't heard him nowhere, But like them niggas

had a banger. And literally this was at the time at the time Baby was on some Looking back, I think he was just I think he was kind of hurt behind the hot boys. He felt like they did him some kind of way, which they didn't. It's kind of the other way around. But the nigga was just in this mode where this nigga turned down so many people. He could have had t I could have had Jeezy uh Bone, Thugs Webb and Boosey Jacket edge Um, and then there was so many artists that could have signed

it cash money. That's like popping right now that he literally is like, nah, Slim, I don't want to sign them. Oh so he could have had all of them. He could have had jeez, you know them. Hell yeah, he could have fifty cents. Hell yeah, he could have had so many people. But he's just like he's tellings no nothing right. That's that's so damn like, ain't gonna tell you what's shining like, man, you know what's sing like? Yeah, man, oh no, you know. But but the thing is, though, man,

we gotta start doing better. Man's um black executives, man, because all will give you know, just like we SIMI. You know, we're having a little fun man, baby is you know Baby and Slim they've done some incredible things in the game. Man, you can't dispute that. And you know he with r Kelly, Man, his situation is unfortunate. Man. But this is what I think would have kept like R Kelly. R Kelly can't read it write. A lot of people don't know that, right. R Kelly kind of

like a T said, R Kelly is weird. R Kelly kind of thinks like a fifteen sixteen year old kid. Yeah, that's how I was mine, you know, so I think that's what the thing he was. Man, he probably feels more comfortable with around younger people. I wasn't there, so I will never sit up in the ques no man, you know, allegedly, you know, he's doing some other stuff. But yeah, to me, you know, even with his situation,

different parents knew what they was getting into. You let your daughter go up there an audition with R Kelly. Come on, man, man, listen. I spend time at the man house. I spent time working with the man. I got songs with the man and and then it it'sn't been tons of women around the place. And at the same time, I wasn't there all the time. I don't know what didn't happened since then, this was a long time ago. I know during the time that I was there, everyone and that was and some of them I went

in depth with conversation. They were telling me about the houses, they didn't got, they didn't got put through college, they did this, did that. It seemed just like a cool situation for everybody involved. You know, Kills did a lot of ships, Man, Kills a lot of ship for a lot of people. Man. I think it's one of them things. Man. You know how they say, you know, first they love you, then they hate you. It's just like, man, the media love to destroy artists. Man. Yeah, they find something man

to run with. Man, they just running with it. They got it hard on for that, Yeah, they got a hard on for it. Man. And you know, nobody really, nobody really knows the truth of what went on. Man. It's just a sad situation. Man. But you got some real cool ship going on right now though. Man, It's way different outside the lame the music ship though. I do. I do. Me and my boy started up started a sports magazine website called Franchise Sports Media out here in

Las Vegas. Um, it's a you know what, it's a it's a unique place for sports. Um. It's my second home. I've been had a place up here for years. I would I used to go back and forth between home and here until I just moved up here all the way two years ago. And yeah, you know when the Golden Knights came here, the hockey team, they came here, and they did real well out of nowhere and this town, like when they lost their minds for the hockey team and the experience. It's like going to a Laker game.

It's Vegas, so it's the entertainment. They all about the entertainment surrounding the game. So the kids are into it, the old folks is into it, the niggas is into it, the Mexicans into it. And when you know, man, I never gave a funk about no howk. But you go to one of these games up here to presentation, it takes you to the next level and it's kind of spreading. And the Raiders that's my team already, and it's starting to become like a sports town with that's like a

little small college town with a big sports population. So man, we we ended up um getting official media credential for the Raiders, for the Golden Nights, UM, the Dodgers and the Lakers too, because this city is just a just a transplant of a bunch of l a people, to be honest, and we've been doing pretty well. Man. It's it's we we we report the sports in a different way. We curate our own highlight reels. Um. We get into

the recruiting with the kids. We shoot a lot of eight they they reels for for their recruiting and stuff like that. Um, we shoot all that, all of the Raider games, the v g K games, the UNLV games, and it's growing. Man, It's it's a lot of fun. It's like, you know, everybody in the music and most artists wanted to play balls in kind of way and vice versa. So it's just kind of you know, I

always dreamed of playing football first. Then I stopped growing, so I went to my second love, which was doing music. And not that I'm never gonna stop doing that, but man, shoot on Sundays, I'm at the stadium on the sideline with my camera. Bro. You always have been heavy in the football specifically. Man. Yeah, yeah, we got we gotta get you where you validated, Man, where you got the pass for the Trojan games? Man, we get everything back open up? Man. Yeah, hell yeah. I'll be down there, bro,

because I'm actually shooting myself. So you know a lot of them, a lot of the Raider highlights and stuff that you'll see on our site. It's it's Franchise Sports Media dot Com. That's me actually on the sideline with the camera. Like it's fun and it's like the because I led a team so much and I led a game, so much like being down there on the sideline and here, what's actually going on? And you're a whole lot of perspective when you you you own a media company, you

know what I'm saying. So it's it's a way too to really bring the sports news to the people in a way that's just not dry, like you know this is this is it's dry, and I'm trying to be trying to wet up a little bit. Well, you always have been, like on the cup, like that's always respected your business acumen, because it seems like you always had something going on outside of music, like a real business. Um. What was the thing you had man, where you used to help the kids go to college? Man of the

Black Universities everything? Yeah, yeah, NCR, National College Resources, um, Black College expot and it's expanded now. It's like it's huge, But you just used around when it first started. Those dude, he's one of the first people I talked about it. Talk to your body, Are you still doing it? Yeah, we're still doing it, man, it's just it's going to the point where my manager is just it's at a

different level now. It's like fourteen different cities. Um, we didn't got to three hundred thousand kids in school over the time that we've done it. And we have these expos basically where kids could just come to this expo, bring your transcripts, bring your essay T or a C T scores, and literally get signed up right there. What we do is we have the colleges that come and participate.

We haven't waived all their application fees and all of that other stuff, and the kids just show up and it's just kind of like, for lack of a better word, it's like a meat market, but it's a meat market for the kids too. You can literally go and interview schools for the experience that you want, and um, it's been working man. It's like it's just the more you expand,

the more you find the need. A lot of these kids were qualified to to get higher education if they want to, but they just don't have the information which is the bridge to get them there. And like that's that's that's very serious. If it's just literally you meeting somebody that would allow you to get in school when you when you're thinking that you have no shot because you know, you in Houston and in the hood somewhere and you ain't got no money and you ain't got

no scholarship. Man. It's so it's still so many opportunities, but it's hell to find them. So it's all about linking linking these kids with people. Man. It's some listen, bro, it's some horror stories as far as the situation that black children, black teenagers are in today, and I'm talking about before depending like we are struggling to catch up in education and social skills and everything else because the breakdown of our families. Hey, bro it it that's the

pandemic for us people. That's hard pandemic. And we gotta we gotta pay attention because we can't afford to lose the whole generation. Hey, we came for to lose the whole generation. Bro. So this this program, um, Black College expot dot com, NCR dot com. Everybody that's watching this and you want to get your kid in school. You know a kid is under privilege that needs to get in school. Go to either one of those websites or just look up Just go to Google and look up

Black College Expo. We got the ship on a lot. You will find us. Um, it don't make no sense. In two thousand twenty one for black kids that want to get into school to not get into school because they can't. And you know what, man, the one thing that coverage gives you I always tell people, Man, the degree from from a college, Man is a great thing, right. It's the social skills and it's the network of people

that you meet. And it's a good thing because I've seen guys come from other confident Watts and they go to school somewhere, they go down, they go out of town, they go to Atlanta, they go to Colorado on different places, and they come back and hold different people talking because they've seen something different outside the hood. And me and James we are getting our nonprofit start, you know, kicked off man. We could be working with a nonprofit called

Fathers to Fathers and we have some incredible stuff we're doing. Man, meet and James and eight. You know, we've got to speak for the home eight too. He's not here tonight, as I said earlier, but we would love to get involved with that with you man. Just as far as getting word out, man, I think absolutely. Hell yeah, bro, we exchange that information. Um, we'll link you' all onto the site, y'all link us back and let's ship, let's link.

We got man, we got programs going on in Land Will Unified, l A, Unified, UM, Inglewood across across the whole city. Like we got programs going in all the schools for for STEM, for for everything everything, Like even even though we I mean we even got the Latin College Expo. Now like since the last time I talked to you, it's expanded by the graceful guy. Like people have really came in and started to help with money.

You know what I'm saying is bottom line, you can have ideas all day, you can have execution all day. You ain't got money, you ain't gonna be able to help nobody. And it's a lot of people with money that I want to help and just don't know how to help. It's just it's all about trying to find ways to bridge these gaps. Its ways people people, People that want to give money away can get all kinds of kickbacks and all kinds of extra perks for their life just because they gave the money away and they

want to get the money away. So it's like we we just um, we just had an online galla uh to be last month, um trying to raise some money to expand some more. So that's what it's about, man, It's about if we get these kids it's cool, then then the people that's running the country won't have us in the type of situation that we in right now. Right, That's it. It's like we we gotta make a farm team, bro,

just like the baseball teams do. Got plant the Sea's gotta contivate them and put them into places where they need to be to lead us. The only way we're gonna do that is with education, right yeah. Man, that's one thing that means James always say, man, that we have to use this platform. Man. You know that the platform man is dope. Man, we come on and tell these stories. But me and James, and I think I speak for James too when he can elaborate if he wants to um. Our biggest thing is to get this

type of information out to the neighborhood. Man. Yeah, for the people that's watching, for the kid that may be watching this. There's somewhere in Uston Dallas Comfence, somewhere in his room thinking like, Man, I want to go to school and make a change, because we got to catch the kids when they early. And James He speaks on that all the time, man, about the importance of catching these guys when they are young like that do make a change, because there's people man. You know, literally when

you turn sixteen and seventeen. Man, it's like you at the four in the row, you can need to go this way or that way, right, you know what I'm saying. And younger than that, even younger than that. Man. Uh. You know a lot of kids don't have a sense of belonging to something. They don't. They don't they don't have nobody that care. Now, if you got a program and theydn't know they can go to college, They're gonna go to school so they can go to college. I

think that it's a saint. It's a saint in Los Angeles. Her name is Dr Teresa Price, Dr Teresa Right. She's the director of Black College Expo National College Resources, and she getting kids in school left and right. Right, ain't no way in hell. I mean, it's it's at least worth a try, you know what I'm saying. I'm not gonna sit up here and promise the world to every single child and say that every single child that can get in school. But bro, I have seen some stories.

I have seen some situations where I was saying to myself, ain't no way in hell nobody excepting this mother, and she is too. I'm thinking two or three of them right now, one in medical school, a nurse, and one trying to run for office. Literally, man, literally, man. It's it's all about some kind of foundation. A lot of times they missed that foundation. The community has to find a way to put our arms around them and build an alternate foundation, because every every kid needs some kind

of foundation, right. I gotta have it exactly, man, Like I said, Man, that's a beautiful thing. Man, and you can come this see in Man, what was the lady's name again? Dr Teresa Tosa Price? Drresa Pricing right there now, man, because because because see people like man, and that's the important stuff. Man. We spend a lot of times as

blacks man being stuck on bullshit. Yeah, you know, because somebody has skip over all this good information that we're giving right now and they want to go back and hear us talk about you know, a bird man was doing this and tell me this. You know, they want to hear that. They want to hear the bullshit, you know what I mean? We got to hear him a little bit of that to give him the stuff like this,

you know that. But that's a beautiful thing. Man. Any Way we can be involved in health, man, because that's our big core mission right now. We are going to actually be going to the city of Dallas. We're getting that stuff worked out right now. You know, this COVID stuff makes stuff kind of you gotta move the right way. Know, you gotta move the right way because everybody's gotta be safe. Man. But that's shooting. That's something change we need to bring

down here with us. Yeah, you go down there because like James said, man, that the average person man that joins the gang man, they are really looking to belong to something and dedicate They like to something, why not dedicated to something positive? And you'd be surprised at how many of them you could slip rights. They don't know that, you know, Levis and the T shirt and the khakis

and the hat, that's all they know. Put the brothers and shooting and watch your smile, watch you and be like, oh, yeah, I'm surety shocked. You know. That's all you gotta do is give him a chance you can change, and they yeah, you can they'd be ready to go that, man, Yeah, yeah, and when what I want to do, all the links to the stuff that t Q was talking about will be in the um looking the description of the show. We have all the links right there. Man. Let's let's

go out there. Let's see somebody get blissed. Man. You know, instead of just delivering bad news all the time, let's hear some positive stories. Let's do some talking. Man. Let's look up a couple of years from now, somebody said they was watching this, they was watching this episode and they got in school. I mean we're doing something right. Yeah, exactly, man, exactly, man, And I'm I'm serious. Tis, I'm gonna be on you because we already got some stuff going on with the

sports stuff that I'm plugging you with. Man, be on you about this. Man, Let's go see Dr Teresa. Man, Man, that's nothing, that's easy. Dr Teresa is the person that got me in the music industry. And she went from the music and from radio to the music industry to doing this and this is what she's been doing ever since. And in my in my music career, a lot of a lot of me getting out there was performing at this expo because it was so big. Like we man, we had fifty sixty kids at the l A Can

interesting and every year that's still our biggest one. So this is the first time we did it since what I think two thousands. Because of COVID, we had to do the virtual version mm hmm yeah yeah see and see that's why it's important man that we get that message out there. Man. I really appreciate you. Man, We appreciate you man coming on man. Yeah, and then thank you all for having me, bro. Thank congratulations on the deal, on the success and all of that. Man. I like

what y'are doing. Bro. Thank you're bading me anytime? Oh for sure. Man, we didn't go ahead, we we we definitely go ab you back man again. Man, Like I said, I appreciate it. Man. There we go. Man. I guess that's another episode right there. Man. Remember keep the Homeboy REGs you right in constant prayer. Um, our brother is out there fighting right now. Man. Uh, he's fighting right now. I know James had an update. Um he got updated on him when we Saturday. James, Yeah, the same thing

he said. He moving his eyes. Um, they're keeping him up under uh that Anesthesias ship. They're keeping him sleep, So it sounds serious to me. But Reggie's a fighter, Reggie fighting if he wouldn't need to give up a long time ago, and I'm just praying for him. And well there, you know, like I said, my sister got it and my full little cousins got it, and it ain't nothing to play with. It's real ship. That that ship is real. So then I had it all December, bro.

It's it's it's nothing to play with. Anybody out there that think that ship is just some I don't wish that ship, don't nobody. So if you ain't got to get it, don't get it right. It's definitely, it's definitely. You know, I went through it. I went through my boat with it, man. And then that's the thing about it, man, because when we caught it, man, my daughter had the first and she just only had a headache for a couple of days. My wife, she was still running around

the house like it wasn't up wrong. And that was the scary part about it, because she could have been out there interacting with people are doing everything it was. There's some people that just don't care. So let's be responsible because everybody's not gonna get the same result. It may be somebody you may not. You may be asymptomatic, but you may go see your grandmother something who going her and make killer real talk. Man you know, man piece and prayers, Man of love of y'all. Man we

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