EP 89: "Under The Influence" w/Charleston White

Chronicles and leave a five star rating and comment. We like to welcome everyone to another episode of the Gangster Chronicles podcast. And I have my homeboys, but Jake Tonight, Man, we have some special individuals man coming from the Fort Worth area. Man. We have Mr Jesse Taylor, politician man for Tarran fort Worth, Texas man pretty much running the show down there. And we have our homeboys, the man around town, the Mother of the South Charleston Blue. What's

going on us doing? Dallas area has a huge gang problem down there, and I know you guys are pretty much the after key to the study. You know, help a lot of different people in different situations. So when we still, well, we we actually started with the juvenile system, man. Uh. From the juvenile system, Uh, we kind of transcended into the doge prison system man, where I would teach classes uh at the Central Parole Office, the main parole officer

in Tarron County. So every brother, at least from sixteen, whenever they got out of prison, it was mandatory that they would have to come to my class every Tuesday and Thursday. Uh. Me and Mr Taylor would go inside the juvenile system man and and connect with the young killers on the inside where they go to prison or not.

We haven't already made the connection on the inside. So when they transition back to the re entry part of coming back into our society, we're there to able to provide alternatives and resources, man, when they make the transition from lock up to back the free world. Okay, okay, so pretty much you to bridge for those guys. We we we try to be man uh uh for black children right now. Not not that we don't with all children, but there's not a lot of resources for our children

when they come back to our communities. There's a lot of resources for the adults, but man, they don't have the support system to be able to access the resources. Right the bus fare money that the gas money, uh, the comfort of being able to sleep somewhere, uh, peacefully without the stress of having to go out and take penitentiary chance to just to bring some money and to feed the family. Man. So we try to help connect the adults as well as the juveniles to the resources

in the communities from the connection that we have. So he got into the politic game. Man. So he worked more as a national delegate. Uh, he's sit down more with your your U S congressman, your state congressman. Uh. He's either been uh he's been in close proximity with the president for the last four years and actually dealing and working directly with President Trump man to get certain laws of bodised and passed in this country. Oh wow. So you guys are pretty much Briggs just from the youth,

so they could transition out, Yes, sir, yes, sir. Um and Charleston he's being modest though, man. But Charles Charleston created programs that we that we actually talk inside the halfway houses for these kids. Um. They had like an eight week course that he would actually go inside man and and try to transform these uh, these young these young guys. Man. So I tipped my hat off to him though, man for for him to go inside and

and create programs to help these young kids out. Man, I couldn't do nothing but but jump on board and try to help him out with that now. But during that, during that process of him creating a program, man he at the end of this this course just a curriculum. Uh, we've supposed to been teaching of UM showing a movie UM ministers society and the white folks want to let us play the movie. And Ms Charleson got mad because

it was approved by the state. So I asked him and said, what we gotta do to uh to baby show this movie. They said, well, you gotta change the policy. But how we changed the said this time, I don't. I wasn't in the politics at allice UM, but like, you gotta change the policies. So I figured out what I had to do to go change the policies. And you had to miss with politicians to change the policies.

So it went from showing a movie to me being able to be elected, from being a presecture to being a state delegate to being elected on the Tech of State Criminity Legislative Board member and also UM I was this year I was nominated as a national delegated sire UM is like like, what's going on with the electoral College votes? Well one of those PaperWorks got my signature on it and Mr Charleston paperwork on it also. So all that went from just trying to still a movie

to where we are today. Oh whilst you guys just became the change that you wanted to see. Yes, yes, sir, yes sir, and and and and the bridge that goat because like politician, but I'm a politician in the Republican Party now. And that's another thing I can kind of give a piggy back with you, Mr Charleston on um. He forced me to do my homework on on on politicians because I was a great up Democrats like pretty much everybody else was. You know, you couldn't say nothing

to me about no Republican at all. But once i started doing my homework and my research, and I've seen the way the nation was headed, you know where the where the Democrats was headed, you know, um, forwards towards that you know, masculinity of of of young men, young black men. I was like, when that ain't that's not what That's not what I was brought up to be. And so I switched, man, I I switched. And Um. From from that point on, you know, I've been doing

my thing, you know, trying to change lots. They have one law here to Texas, man called house bill for yourself and this is this about this house to be around here was Man, it had many guys with a driver license revoked. Um, they was changing us twice on on the traffic chicken. But Man, I was able to go in. Man, we found out where the money was going. It wasn't going back to our community at all. Man.

With me sitting on the resolution committee, I was able to write up a be a house bill for each other, like I said, many and it got passed and so everybody got all those search charges wiped off. So now the nigga don't go to jail for send niggas used to immediately go to jail from driving on suspended license because he got that bill passed through legislation to the state. Man, niggas can drive and leaving again. Look comfortably that God

and what we do Man, I'm not doing it for myself. Man, I do it for the for the youngsters to see what we're doing. So that way, you know, they can have some some guidance along the way because we got to show them early, but we learned later and like, Man, I ain't on about no politics, So I'm giving him feeding all this to these young men. That what we're doing right now. So with this legislative session coming up,

man uh uh. Surprisingly the Texas Republican parties of the Republican Party of Texas, they're pushing forth the bill or were they trying to stop niggas from going to jail on child support? So he's gonna be pushing that bill. Not only that, man, we were we're partnered with with with local lobbyists and other policy makers to try to get a bill that we're trying to push through this called raised the age with seventeen year old don't go to the printentiary in the county jails no more. So

we're trying to raise the age of juvenile jurisdiction. Man, back up to Twente, where even if a nineteen year old nigga do something it's not too extreme and violent and violence that he can still remain in You have to remain in the juvenile system with his family court man and have a second chance of getting this record. Uh a sponge that twenty one man, So a lot of the ship that they said they're doing on Facebook. Man,

that's just the that's the dolo my game. You know, the acting, and you know to make motherfuckers say, hey, man, look at this. But if a nigga can get past the act and really look at what I'm saying and then look at what the nigga really do in real life, uh, they'll see, Man, this for our people home exactly. And that's a perfect segue and it's something that I wanted to discuss today. Um, these young guys going to the

penitentiary system. They're going to the penitentiary system. They're seventeen years old. They babies, They literally just younger than yeah. Man, Uh, most people don't know. Man. Up until sixteen, Uh, the United States, along with Sudan, and and and and and North Korea or was was three of the only countries who would take a twelve year old child man and sinished them to ju what they called juvenile life j L walk juvenile life without parole. Right, So men in

Texas fourteen year old go to prison. And in California, I mean not California and Florida, nigga twelve year old can walk beyond the reck yard and Niga in Florida. And I don't want to say no names because some things happened to this young individual while in prison. Uh for for a very very historical juvenile murder right him and his sister. But he was brutally raped in prison.

Man as a baby, he was brutally raped. So uh, you know a lot of time man, Our little niggas as hard as seventeen and eighteen, but they are seventeen eighteen heartened. Little street nigga. Don't compare a man to a year old hard and prisoner. So they are seventeen year old and eighteen year old. They might not go with the forty fifty year old nigga, but they go with the older year old prisoners. And they just as

dangerous than anybody else. So that's where they put our kids amongst the most dangerous population of prisoners, and then expect for them to go in at such a young age and do right in order to make parole. Then the first thing the kid you gotta do in prisoners try to survive. He can't try to, he can't even

go into rehabilitate mode. He gotta try to survive. Most people, most people that send you to prison, ain't never been the prison, and they don't know or live the conditions of a of an inmate, so they have no clue. What what is about I've been to prison. I seen cash get raped in prison. I'm talking about the hardcore game members get raped in prison. So anybody is subject to be raped. I mean it is the rules and

the guidelines. A prison is enough for especially a twelve year old that don't have the mind or the capacity of an adult to really survive. Don't know how to make that shape. Let let mask you behind me. So what as a as a youth developer and as someone who go off inside the juvenile detention center? What what do we tell the youth workers? What do we tell the parents? How how do you prepare a kid who don't belong in this environment? How do you how do

you prepare him for that? Well, you came preparing him for that, because once he hear that door closed, now this is real life now and he's on survival mode. You came preparing for that. A twelve year old cannot go to a penitentiary and and and survive. I'm talking about without being raped, without being beaten, without being you know, getting his commissary jock in. You know, he's subject to be somebody bitch. You know what I'm saying, And it's

sad to say. So what I'm saying is that people that haven't been to prison don't mind sending you to prison only because they don't got to go to prison and deal with the conditions or the image that's in prison. And why are we imprisoned Because you've got some murderers, some some guys that's raped drug You've got all different types of men in prison. So what you're doing today, which is something I want to do, is get them before they get to that point. And we don't have

to discuss a twelve year old going to prison. See what I'm saying. That's what that's and go ahead, what what what you just said? Uh? In the justice system uh? And and in public safety law enforcement? Uh? Public safety? Right what you just said. I want to prevent them. So they have crime prevention and crime intervention programs. So that's where the money comes in. That's where the money

comes into play. When when when you look at California's l A Police department, the album's got a billion dollar budget. They gotta billion the albums got a billion dollar budget. Those that's money that you give to a military, right, that's what you get to a military, a billion dollar budget, and out of that billion dollars is given to them on the public safety, crime prevention and crime intervention, half of that money is ours. But we don't know that.

For one, we don't want to even funk with the police to go get the money. That money falls through under their umbrella and supposed to trinkle down to our programs are father The Father's program is supposed to have a hundred million dollars out of that budget. When you look at the prison statistics, almost eighty five percent of prisoners convicted of a crime come from a followers home.

Those are national statistics where we're gonna beat the kids. Man, at these facilities, I don't I don't care if it's a thousand kids out there, we're speaking to a hundred or a team. Man, it's always gonna be the same percentage of when I asked this question, how many of you got your fathers at home, it's gonna be one or two of them raising hand, and pretty much everybody else ain't got no dog and father at home. So what he said is right. That's that's the beginning of

it right there. And we haven't we haven't created a system. So when we can go inside of a single parent home and and help that woman with a with a kid, yeah we don't do that. But exactly one one thing I need my sisters to do though, man, and I appreciate them the depth because they'd be doing the best they can do. But one thing they need to stop saying is their mother and daddy. Their mama and their dad,

you know they be dead. Because what happens in some of these these correctional facilities, Man, I see it over it over the time and time again when these kids come out of there, When these kids come out and they go into the head with house and they're waiting on their mama's or their dad is grandmama's or somebody to pick them up in there, they're they're they're holding there for like five six months. But what happens is, man, they stayed there far most a year or so because

why Mama don't even want them no more? Man, the same mama that don't say, hey, look mom, I'm dad, my mom daddy. No, you ain't daddy, You're not daddy, your mother. You know, you need people like you need people like myself, you know, to step in and you know, like you said, that program to go inside the house of that single parent mother. That's definitely what we need, man,

and that's what we do. We do some of that also, man right now, So you all the money on that, man, right, That's that's our beginning as black man, to to figure out a way how to get to our younger brothers, because truth be told, sometimes you can't get across to that year old brother because he already set in his ways and you're talking about they think they know more than you do, which they don't. They don't know Jack

Ship until the day they wind up in prison. And then they say, then they say this, just like I said, if I know what I know now, I wouldn't have never took that road. But let's get them before that. Just say that you got to get these babies. Now. You can show niggas. You can give niggas a lot of examples and ships just like well, just like we was as as youngsters, we had to we have the mentality that you can't tell me nothing. That's the whole problem.

A lot of young mentality that you can't tell me nothing. So all that ship, all that ship you're talking is good, and yeah, I hear you, and it worked for you. But nigga, I'm still on the block every fucking day and I'm still this and I'm still that, So that ship don't apply to me. And that's what the problem that we have is that a lot of young niggas don't want to listen to nothing that older or other niggas have been through. They just don't want to listen.

So how so how do you change that mentality from a dude you're trying to get to change the ways and he deep off an it and he telling you, I don't want to hear nothing. You saying you show the naw you show that nigga how to fish. Let me tell you this is where, this is where we make mistakes that to even get you that point. First, we gotta stop call it the way we talked to each other. Cats want to hear that type of talk. Yeah, what's up, nigga, what's up? We gotta start respecting ourselves

as black man. Once we start respecting ourselves and they see us with respect and care and respect to the quillets. Then they already know they're gonna come at you with straight respect because they see you you ain't giving nothing but respect. We talked ship to each other, and we we we talked bad about each other. I got the words for it. I was listening to a But it starts off with respect. We gotta respect and understand each other as black man. Well, I'm not gonna keep blaming

what my father did to me. I'm not gonna let that be an excuse for me not to get to the next level. And we gotta understand that because there's a lot of us that grew up in the house without a father, and they gotta understand you can make it without a father. You as long as you've got positive black men in your life, you can make it. And this is through the program. You don't have to have that father figure in the household to do that.

And if we can reach the young kids and let him understand that and teach them that it's a better way to dress, it's a better way to do, you know, to groom yourself. You know what I'm saying, father's your hair and all of that other stuff. We have to like really put our foot in it to get them to understand, because the younger generation today don't want to hear nothing. They want to see, They want to feel,

They want to really know that I care. And just talking on the phone or just coming at them and the certain kind of way you gotta really be in their in their life. That's a program. Yeah, you gotta let them know. And I think for the most part, man, Uh, I don't think our young people think the older people really care. Brother that's in the home, whether that's when they go to church, the preacher don't never have a

message for the children is always for the adults. Uh. They really don't even have a voice other than what hip hop, what the hip hop platform give them. So as I'm sitting here listening to you talk, man, do our young people really know if we care or not. They don't. I don't think they do. They don't. Reinsurance, that's what we want. When we got a mom and our fathers in the household, we know they're there to

protect this. That's reinsurance. But if I can get a brother on the street that come in this house with our absent father, and this man could come in and come pick me up and show me how to fish, show me how to hunt, and and he genuinely cared about me, not just drop in me off because of a check. Are picking me up and doing this for a check? No, I got you. You know what I'm saying. That's all they want to hear, is I got you. Well, that's what the big homie. That's what the big homie

giving me. That that fatherless affirmation, that's what the that's what the big homie give me. And them boys looking for it. Them boys, they gravitate to it. Let's gravitate to it. Man, it really will if you're showing that love like you're talking about, man, gravitate to it. Man, they're really doing me and Mrs Chaules empty Men's men and Ms Charleson around a summer camp and around about maybe about three or four years about three or four years ago, Man, a guy um gave his club. But

for us man to tell you true. Um, So we were doing the summertime. Man, we closed the whole club. Now Man, we had the kids coming over the one the daytime. Man feed the kids breathless lunch and a halftime. They took the food home for dinner to feed the families and everything though, man. But what I did was when we showed them, man, we just showed them boys love man. And then all these boys was was across the street at the projects. I mean the projects are

the directly cross the streets. So they just walked over to the club and had these some camp with us. But man, that love that we showed them, and their father they loved and sometimes he had to be the tough look. But they're respected it though. Man. You know. And once you show them to love them and you clonel for him, and you show them how to eat, you show them how to because I would take the kids to to the house, man, I will show them how to how to change brakes, how to change starters

on cars. Now, I mean he's a twelve thirteen year old boys, man, and they gravitated to it. But you just gotta show them that you love them though. Man. They'll listen to you. You're right, You're right. And I was I was just gonna touch on that I've been thinking and wanting to do this for a long time. Just just get a lot and get some of the guys that I know that certified and breaks and all of that, and how the kids come buy breaks for the for their mom's car, whatever. And let them help

fix those brakes, let them learn how to change the battery. Uh, do anything, you know, I got friends that anything just to get them, let them learn something, you know what I'm saying. So and and and it goes, it goes a long way. And man, I commend with y'all doing. And I wish we had that out here like that where we can just actually get into the politics. We're braging into you. We we we were bragging into you. What what what we're doing? Uh, it's like we're gonna

barter right. Uh, there's a lot of resources that we offer to two guys in California homey. Texas is a fatherly friendly state. So we're trying to create an underground railroad. But we got jobs. Niggas in California can't get down here, Hume. So hey, man, y'all niggas ain't got nothing to do. Man, say, we got some nigga that a high y'all down here with the murderications nigga General Motors, Bell helicopter like Keeed Martin, say,

man toward deep people, hard killers. Man, you didn't come down here and get a dog and we will help assist y'all while y'all get along the way, saying with y'all got some gang programs from gang intervention and prevention program that can benefit here, and you guys can come down here and facilitate those programs and get money from us, from our county officials to come facilitate those programs. So we're trying to open up underground railroad of exchange of resources, man,

for the community. So the program that you're asking for is being created through the Fathers, the Father's Program, which is coming to California, you know, Baba uncle Henny Man. So we're just trying to get all the the statistics, the numbers, get the data, uh, and get the research. So when we present it, man, we got all our eyes dotted in the tea's cross. Or are we bringing some news right now, Charles? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're breaking some news, man, uh, Hendy noted man. So we got

the father of the Father's Program. Man, it's it's coming to California, you know, and that's going to be um, you know, through Uncle hen that Father's the Father's Program is gonna be you know, facilitated through James myself and eight. Because you know three figures. UM eight is very active in the community. He don't brag onto a lot. He's you know, out there messing with the youth. He's a

grounds here with the youth. He choots the coach football, you know, he shoot the football, you know the football. Very passionate about it, um And it's something that I'm looking forward to, and I know James and James alluded to earlier. He's looking forward to doing stuff like that because we have to become proactive as black men in our community and we have to stop waiting all the time for that come and help me. Because I kind of feel the same way my man was speaking earlier

was about the Democratic Party. That party teaches us to be co dependent on people to set up and just wait to set up and get you know, wait on the welfare check or uh some kind of check every month. We're waiting for somebody to come and help us. But the only people that can help us as us us. Well, you know what one thing I want to shave man. We have to look at the world and the way

the world is today. I'm looking at this at the news and I see all these people at the Capitol, but Donald Trump if that was black people, this is this is just my point of view. If that was black people, all hell would have broke loose. Uh, you know, where's the dogs, where's the gas, the tear gas? Where's the military, where's the police knocking them down? Get the funk off my off this line. If we don't see what the world is becoming, then we we we're wasting

our time as black man. Because at the end of the day, we lost already if if you really look at it, we already at a loss. So the way that we are treated, in the way that other people are treated, we really have to pay attention. This is why I really want a change, for us to change, for us to see change, because if we don't do it, they're not gonna do it for us. We gotta do it well. This is this is the perfect time for

us to get it together. But why they're fighting each other. Never, never in our lifetime, never in our lifetime, have we seen the white boy fight the white boy like there last time they fought each other like this, this was over us and they were mad the motherfucker. But by the albumst wiped out their country right that was the Civil War. So now here it is. They're back at this same problem again. But this don't have nothing to

do with us. This fight isn't about us. This fight is about all the other foreugners that they have let coming to their country, who don't speak their language, who don't eat at their restaurants, who don't depend on them. So this had nothing. So this is the perfect time for us to let them kill each other. I let them take over the White House and come getting our stuff together. By time they look up, we might haven't got our nation fix. They losing their nation. They right

now we're watching them lose their nation. So now we can't say, man, they got they focused on us. They can't. They ain't got time to focus on us now. So now this time for us to put it out their politics and man go to fixing on what we can fix. And by time they look up, man, we don't got a little stronger and we can stick our chest out and say, hey, these are our demands and we stand on what we demand. Right. I follow that exactly. It has to be that way, because I honestly feel like this.

You know, we have all of these people that sit up in these offices and these places, and they write this programming. Right, they write this program and to tell us what they think that what they think our children need and what our communities need. The only ones that can heal our community and thoroughly go through there is us. We have to go through there, people like James McDonald's, people like yourself, Charles. Because Charles, let let's go back

Charleston for the record. You spend time in the penitentiary system. Correct. Oh no, I mean I went to do and I'm i'm I'm I'm a steak baby, I'm gonna that. That's what I meant to say that you've spent telling Yeah, when I left, I was the longest kid locked up in t y C. What was that for? For the people that don't know, for murder? We killed the white

man in the South. Yeah, in the South. I want the only niggas I know there's alive right now today and say, man, I've done time for killing the white man. Most niggas killed niggas and they're proud of it. Look, let me ask you this man, because you know it's supposed to be reformed, right, You're supposed to go to prison and jail to get reformed, to get yourself right. And get ready to go acclimate, to go out and

become a productive member of society. When you say that your time spent in the chive in our system helps you or hurt you, it helped me, help me. It was uh, keep in mind I called a murder caatione. Prior to that, outside of California, that was no such thing as a kid of killing. You nigga started in California, you'all start killing in seventy two. I think the Balue murders right outside of that, it wasn't black black children

wasn't committing murder around the country. So almost twenty years later, after California, juvenile started killing late eighties nineties, Texas created this juvenile the terms just this juvenile law is called Texas juvenile the term of sentencing law where a kid could be sentenced up to forty years for committing violent crimes such as capital murder, murder, attempted capital murder, aggravated

sexual assault. So I went into a juvenile system when we had a governor by the name of and Richards. And Richards was a recovering alcoholic and recovering drug at it, and so a lot of her, a lot of money, and the policy that she had in the early nineties was geared towards not just rehabilitation, but resocialization. Now noticed I said rehabilitation and re socialization with two different things

in two different terms. Resocialization is teaching you when you walk up to somebody, instead of taking they toyed, you say can I play with that? Well, most black children don't know you have to ask. They say, hey, man, let me see that, and they take it from you, and if you can't whoop them, you can't ever get it back. There's not mostly was socialized like that. Most people when you give them something, they wasn't talked to say thank you. So resocialization take you back to how

you're being resocialized. So I literally grew up in a in a system home that gave us all the tools and all the skills and all the things necessary for us to come out here and be successful. So this is the product of what I'm a product of a juvenile system articulation. I was able to go to college and excel. Uh Man, my childhood issues were resolved. We had some of the best psychiatrist, some of the world's best psychologists. Uh We was co ed so it was

boys and girls. We had an in ground swimming pool, We had off campus jobs. We can take college courses off campus, we had weekend passes. So I was really uh, I grew up in and more like a boarding school, but we were just you know, child merdles real. Now I'm gonna ask you this question. I kind of want. I'm sorry, it's not kind of woman. Go ahead, cause I think we gotta de ley go ahead, you gotta yeah, yeah, no, no, you gott you gotta go here. Okay, what I was

gonna say it was I want to go to James. Now, then I'm gonna come to you. Eight ate. You did time in jail, right, yeah, a little bit. You did a little bit of time, So I won't really ask you this. This is the question work here for James. James, but you say that your time in the penitentiary system actually help you. The only thing to Vina Ginger dropped me is I didn't want to go back to the motherfuck and that that's that's for most nigger from from from our way like that. It does us that we

don't want to go back to fucking jail. That's what going to jail. Are going to the pends. It teaches you, It teaches you. Now don't want to come back, and this motherfucker that's it, So I gotta do something differently. Well, I paid attention to the fifteen fourteen cent work in the yard. I paid attention too, you know, you basically a slave, and that motherfucker I paid attention to, you know, being told what to do when to do it. And I'm a grown ass man. Those those I didn't want

to live like that. Uh you know, the majority of the people that was on the street that I ran into that were that that hardcore wasn't as hard hardcore in prison, and and it was like, what the funk am I here for? I'm when I get out, I'm not coming back. So getting out of prison, I had to prove a point to not only my mother, uh my baby mama's, you know, everybody that said I was going back. I had to show them I ain't going back to prison. And and then the motherfucker but the knife.

You make a knife and you walk around with it all day just to keep the motherfuck off your ass. So I used all of that to say, I'm not coming back to this motherfucker no more. It wasn't worth it. It was a waste of time of my life. And I was better off on the street and then setting up in that motherfucker in the top romin and you know, smoking camera cigarettes. So some of the ship I can't some of the habits I had in there, I can't get rid of them. I've been out of prison this

and I'm good, you know. So it taught me something, But it taught me what I wanted to know or or gave me the reasons why I didn't want to come back. And I did that. Yeah. Well, one thing that tripped me out about Charleston Man used to hearing when he was speaking, and he would tell me some young men they actually wanted to go to prison because they wanted to slider by their manhood by going to prison. It. I want to help me. I was a young nigga.

I inspired. I inspired to get to me a prison yard and walk down there and do all that ship that I heard uncle uncle curtis bragging. Nov I wanted to go make some nigga wash my draws too. Uh Yeah, I want to hold a cigarette behind my earra. I wanted the road a cigarette pack up in my sleeve. Because it was propagated to me that way, right, uh nigga from I saw all the penitentiary movies with Too Sweet or The Midnight Though. Man, I saw all that ship.

Uh So, Man, when I was in the six and seven grade and recess, me and my little fellas were practicing prison. We were talking about what we're gonna do, how we would go walk. Uh So, now, man, I inspired to go to prison. I just didn't know they could keep you forever. Because I've seen Uncle Curtains go. He'd be gone for three or four months, come out on Wayne and go for a little while. So I thought you could come and go kind of as you please. As as a kid, I didn't know they keep you

for us home a long time. I don't do that. Yeah. So as I started getting older, oh as I started getting older men, and I say this, I say this with a I can't say. I'm ashamous said, but is man, it's pitiful that I it's a part of me that feel like I missed out on some of them because I didn't go to prison. I haven't done everything out here in these streets home, and I can sell and done this and I got but say when I get

around certain niggas. I can't talk ton of tankly talk, and I feel loved out sometimes sometimes when I'll be looking at on, hold on, let me send some time when I'll be looking at your motherfucking nigga sending them pictures home for prison from them Feds, and I'll be looking at them, nigga, the nigga stands the body language and then just the camaradderie homie that that picture gives off. Man, you want to be a part of that home that shouldn't look good? Man? I want, man, I want to

be a part of that prison ship, my nigga. So I see how it can be so appealing to the young niggas, because at forty three years old, I feel like I missed stating. So what the hell do we say to young boys thinking like that? Think? What would we say to them? Young boys like that? Man they're thinking like that. You tell him this, You tell him everything that looked like his gold ain't gold. That's food, because you know what happens, just like myself. Going to

the county jail is to start you. You better be a gladiator going to the county jail in California. You're going that gang module. You have to do what you have to do. It prepares you for prison. If you don't make it in the county jail, you damn sure ain't gonna make it in prison. And a lot of cats, just like you said, I want to go to prison because they the homies went to prison, but some of them and they don't realize going to prison, you ain't gonna be like the big homie. Yeah, yeah, you ain't

known like him. So your prison days is gonna be lived way harder than where he had to live. In prison. Your survival move is gonna have to be on a opposed to mind being at the sixty. So it ain't what you think it is. It's when you get in there you really see what prison is is either gonna build you or break you down. And I've seen a lot of kids really really immaturity is like not being taught, you know what I'm saying. Like you said, a lot of dudes and grow up with fathers and the homes,

you know, so, uh, it was the status. A lot of us joined the gangs as young dudes, so our role models was the O G S who was in prison. So basically a lot of cats were, you know, had that feeling of of prison authenticated them. You feel met solidified my status by going to prison, of going to y E back then. You know, so trying to tell like I said again, in some aspects, it's just like you know, um with with the music or with any influence that we have as youngsters. You know what I'm saying,

when we don't have those role models present, you get me. Uh. You know, I didn't grow up with a father and the home. I talked to my father every day almost you know, he lived in Oklahoma, moved to Oklahoma to go to work for General Motors. You know, I grew up in a home with just moms and my sister. It was gang banging everywhere, So I felt like I had the gang bang you get me. I don't have the I didn't feel like we had the family backbone structure that uh, So to speak, I could survive in

South Central just being a regular motherfucker. You get me. Uh, I had to join the game, so uh to change that influence would probably have been somebody to tell me, O, motherfucker, going to prison ain't fun. Like it might look fun, but it ain't fun. But out of us as youths don't or didn't have those dudes to tell us you don't want to go to prison, you get me, Uh, stay in school, you know, try to maintain, get you

a job or whatever. We didn't have a lot of that because a lot of us, you know, single file, single mothers, you know Fithers was out on drugs somewhere, just didn't give a damn so uh to try to change the influence of telling dudes, hey, I know you see it on TV, or you might hear it in one of my rap songs, or you might see so and so glorified the status, but prison ain't the way

to go. Um my my. I sometimes question that too, to see what can change the minds of some of these young dudes who were influenced by just whatever it is negative you get me. They feel like you said, should I feel like I missed out when I look at prison pictures and see niggas in the holes is and they all clicked up, and the homies all whatever, and then niggas be trying model. I did fire the ten or I walked this yard or I walked that yard, and we did this, and we did that, and you

don't have no teals of that. So some dudes feel like I got my doctor go through that program to authenticate myself. You feel me, yeah, and and and and man. The the thing I'm sitting her listening to you guys talk, man, and I'm sitting her saying, men, at all the motherfucking prison stories I heard. It wasn't until I got grown and I actually heard something bad about prison all the see, we really Uncle Curtis really wasn't no street nigga. Man, he laid up on I ain't being got high. He

was the dope finguh. Uncle Wayne. Uncle Wayne was the pimp nigga who got off on dope. So I didn't get to see the real give niggers. Who would who would come tell me Uncle Uncle curtin nigga telling me we had a nigga Washington growls. If I really look at my things back, he really telling me what you see what I'm saying. He was young, So most of the niggas that's hearing about prison, being and exposed to prison or even the streets is really getting it from

a weenie nigga. And he and the weenie nigga to make the ship sound like they were niggas, and it's an easy cake walk. So we think it's an easy cake walk getting a second hand information from these niggas, right, So that's what I'm when you hear me say, man, niggas them tricked? Does so? Now the young niggas is being tricked. And to think about them being tricked compared to us, Homie, they don't give second chances no more, Nigga, we got a chance to come home before thirty and forty.

These young niggas who shoot them guns, now, Homie, they down there guaranteed to be locked up to their forty when the eighteen nineteen because the whole objective of the criminal justice system is to take you and put you away during what they call your prime crime years. It used to be fifteen and twenty five. They figured you'd

be twenty five. You good. Now nigga gets twelve to forty For the young nigga, they're gonna keep them the fifty because they think if they are really super predators, so they ain't letting them nicks come home today almore fifty from the charges that they're making today at eighteen nineteen and twenty. So that's why I believe gangster chronicles. Uh. In this podcast, man, and not just with this podcast.

You guys coming down off into the communities are walking that path of redemption and try to undo some of the wrongs so they can get the full story and and see these real life action figures, uh who the rappers rapped by, and they can get the hotel in in in real life. They're not getting it in the movies. They're not getting it on wax, they're not getting it in the house, they're not getting it in the streets.

So it's it's up to those of us who who who've made it out overcame went through and are now doing to go back man, and and undo some things. And the only way you can't do that, that's just about telling the truth. I'm sitting here and listening to y'all talk, man, Ain't they can tell me nothing bad about prison to even make me not reconsidered to go, m Yeah, what the thing is? It takes a real person, see a person that really cared about you gonna tell you the real I had two uncles that came up

in the penitemporary system. And that's the reason why I can probably say I ain't never done no prison time, you know. But it was because it was because I had uncles who was in that prison system, and they used to tell me, like, you know, that's not a place that you want to go, because let me say that, No, I didn't doe you was James. Hey, I'm gonna be honest with you. A lot of gas went to prison just to get the buzine niggas one of the live weights because the big homie or the homie came out,

showed and they went to prison. But they found out when they got there that no, motherfucker, this ain't no motherfucking l a fitting. It's coming up in here, mother live with liable to not make it. You're not. You might you might get some waste dropped on your head. You might have somebody coming and and poke your as because you don't there some file on the streets and that paperwork came in there. So you had a lot of cats trying to get the physique but didn't make it.

You had a lot of cats that coming in and thought they was gonna be this type of person, but wind up during the majority of their time and a hole and a little bit of your ass. Sell ain't no walking around no nothing. They let you out when they want to that hour a day. A lot of people broke behind that ship. They couldn't sit in the selle twenty three hours a day and talk to their selves. So a lot of motherfucker's doesn't understand prison until they

got there. And now your asses broke down. Now you're like, what the fuck is this ship? Now you got listen to me. Now you got five big old your motherfucker's coming at you and raping ebody on in one leg. And and now they they're spreading jelly on your booty and talking about for that ship. Yeah your ass why. So you know a lot of these cats they learned their lessons. They don't want to go to you feel You heard them stories and was like, fuck, no, huh, I'm not going no prison ni jelly on the nig

asshole I've got going on. Pri Hey, motherfucker's was getting was straight getting jelly. And you can tell who the booty vantage was got more like fuck that ship. I heard stories like that for my uncle's and I was like, hell, dog, that's a trip. I am not going to be taken. I'm gonna give your one true story and I'm gonna

make it quick. I got a homeboy named Smiley, been in the penitentric this nineteen seventy four for murder every all the homies that he knew that was coming in there, besides the ones that he knew it was bona fide. He sucked them. When when the motherfucker, when the motherfucker got when the mother Yeah, that's how he was breaking it down and keeping it in the hood. Yeah, it's called breaking it down and keeping you in the hood.

So this dude, the police would get him. Anytime a motherfucker like pisched the police off, they would put them, put that person in his cell, and and Smiley would go to work on that ass. He don't got a problem telling you. Yeah, fun niggers, he tell you, I don't got a problem with it. If you're coming this motherfucking you, ain't you ain't the homie or the homie I know, nigger, your little ass's mind. And he was sucking. He broke a whole lot of homies down by just

winding up in the same prison with this nigga. So you have predators inside of prison that that don't listen. The little niggas, the little niggas go on prison looking for the big homie, say I'm such and such, and he'll play on them kind of young niggas. Come on in there, gentlemen, to put you in my shell. And the next thing you know, you're here howling and ship nigga holland and and and broke his fingernails in that in that still door, the knock, the play off, that

motherfucker trying to get out of there. But them niggas been, them niggas been in up seventy fold of stretch. They dick the eighteen inches long, putting on that mothfa and they dropping that dick off in your back, say say we got tell ya true man, Yeah, God damn remembers the stories that I heard. So then was the stories

I heard how Jamie's broke it down. That's how I heard nothing new because my uncle Steve, I'm gonna tell you what a lot of these niggas don't tell you a lot of niggas see what happens in the hood. These cats go to the prison, right and they go to prison, they get they either become a Muslim, and ain't not wrong with that. Some of them is authentic with them some lilimes. They become a Muslim, they become a Christian, or they joined one of them groups, or

I don't want my problems. That's gonna do my time. So they do their live two years or three years like that, hiding right, and they come home like I was this big nigke of walking around the yard. But you hear the truth. The truth eventually always comes out. Hey, yeah all, you all, y'all have to do. It's looked at. We can. We can bleep his name out when we can edit this part. Look him up on the internet and you're gonna come up booty bandit, and you'll be

surprised at the things he did. And these kids need to learn and understand. Just because you think you hard, it's somebody harder than your ass. And when you go to prison, you're gonna run into that motherfucker that's harder than you, that got them squabbles at sixty five years old. The motherfucker's been in jail twenty thirty years. They didn't shape, they're ready. You're going there with that little attitude you had on the street and get tapped, because if they

knocked y'all, they're gonna fu some of them. So it's unfortunate or it's unfortunate that we got you know still because you know, we all were young men at one point in time, so you know how our mentalities was. You know, James, you when you was banging, uh, you know my mentality as a youngster, you know, joining the gang or whatever. But you know, and I could say it was a lot of the times it was trying to be uh belonged to something, like I said, no

father in the house, no older brother, no ship like that. So, um, it's unfortunate that some of our youth have to go through the situation of having to take that path. And uh, if there were opportunities presented, hopefully that's some of these used that you can catch them young. You know, I coach football. You know I see a lot of you know, I go from the age of five all the way

up to four team. So you know, you see some of the boys who you know a little rough around the edges, you know, cussing that eleven years old and fuck you this and your mama this, and you know, so you could tell the motherfucker's who have already been uh around or familiar with with the ship, you know, go to school and they hanging with the rough kids or whatever, you know, So I would have problems sometimes with some of the kids wanting to fight each other,

some of the kids being from different areas, you know, or just some of the kids just not liking motherfucker's period. So we'll just try to bring them to a point of just going. You know, we all in this ship, you know, different side, different motherfucking areas. You know, some of y'all got dads at home, some of y'all don't,

you know. But the banging ship, I would give them incorporate stories about me banging and what I saw and what I went through, and uh, there's opportunities that are given to you kids nowadays that you should take the opportunity un of these because like when I was growing up, it was hard to play youth football, you know what I'm saying, because to the affiliations with gangs and where you lived at you know, where I lived. I couldn't go play for a team because they was across the

tracks in the enemy neighborhood. So you know, moms had a fear of taking me over there to sign me up. You know, a lot of that's what we went through, but it's presented now a little differently, and a lot of us, you know, try to set up examples for

the youth. So that's what one of the things I do, um, you know, coach football and try to show kids even though um, you know, they see me in movies and they hear the row coach, you did woopy woop, and you did this and you did that, you know, and I always try to tell them, you know, everybody has a choice and a different path to take, and don't always look at the dude that's ahead of you to go. You know, you gotta take his path. You get me because I didn't have nobody who gang banged in my

family at all. I did have no brothers or cousins or uncle influences or my people stayed down south in Mississippi, so my parents, my mom moved to California. So you know, that's that's the introduction where that came from. So you know, my sisters and my girl cousins, they fucked with all the gang bangers. It's how I got introduced because I wanted to. I want to have ship. I felt the protection, I felt, the affiliation, I felt that you know, the belonging.

So that's what I saw as a kid because my father wasn't around. I wasn't part of no programs or nothing, or sports or nothing. And when you got sister and cousins pulling up after school with the latest drug dealers and they in the fancy cars and ship, there goes my influence. You give me, that's my influence. Even though moms was walking in the house every day, working the nine to five and struggling and trying to put food

on the table. But my influences was the niggas down the corner with the fancy cars and who my sister and then was pulling up with. So it could take your turn. Because even though like I said, myns was in the church, put food on the table every day, work two jobs. You get me. You know, wasn't no rats and roaches and all that type of ship. But I still felt growing up in Compton because gang banging

was that connection I felt to be longing. You feel me, Uh, niggas watching my back, I'm watching a back and that ship. So as a youth, you couldn't You couldn't tell me ship. As a as a thirteen year old, you couldn't tell me now have had my father been at home and it's been a different lifestyle than I probably saw things differently, like kids, do you know our typical kid when they grow I'm gonna be I'm gonna be a football player, I'm gonna be a basketball player. I'm gonna be a fireman.

You know, I didn't fuck that ship. I was gonna be one of the niggas down the street on the corner. That's what I was for the big at twelve years old. Hey, I got a question for you. So if one of those guys that was driving them nice cars are in that low rider that just say when your sister was David, if he would have came at you and told you that this is not for you gang banging. Don't you never gang bang and all of this other ship, would

you to believe in? Would you to follow that path or listen to Probably because I didn't have no father figures at the time, and I was a young kid basically wanting to gravitate to who any any motherfucker who took the time you feel me was banging and was a hard ass nigga, and you knew he was in the streets with the sacking he was affiliated, and the nigga walked up to me and said, motherfucker, you bet not,

gang bang. I went off to start playing football or some ship like that, because the nigga is telling me that's affiliated. You noticed, nigga, he will don't know that. Nigga say you bet not. I was one of the motherfucker's that go oh O G said you bet not. Let me go do something else then, because now I got the word about O G fucking with me every day that I'm out here trying to be something that he said, I can't fucking be. I didn't have that. I had niggas in my own age group. There was

no older niggas around. I was hanging around the twelve thirteen year old niggas who wanted to bang too. So the niggas that came over with the sister in them, they was like, yeah, little nigga, what's haping it? Blah blah blah. I'm gonna take you to the hood next thing, you know, I'm accorded in. That's how I started banging. So that's where we need today. Encouragement supposed to say, come on join us, Come on, nigga, you can get everything.

You really benefits being a game. A gang banger you got, I'm gonna give you for one K. You don't get none of that ship exactly in the good. And then after as a youth, you're influenced by you know, anybody, You could be fluenced by, anybody that you feel is official. You feel me, whether that's the local drug dealer, the local policeman, or the nigga on the corner who owned the motherfucking neighborhood store. You know, as a young kid, before you reach those depths of hell, if there's somebody

significant that can put you on the right path. And that's what I try to do as far as with the football ship, because you see it, you know, you see niggas wanted the bang and they get there. You hear them whispering it or something because what's some blood? And you know you have to ask them. I check a nigger who said that ship? Where are you from? Motherfucker? If you don't take your that's home and study some books and go learn your fucking football plays for this

game Saturday. And and that's what I try to you know, because it's not the right path, you know what I'm saying. And even though it's you know, like I said, I'm not wanting to talk because I was affiliated our gang bang. I sold drugs, I did it all, carried traps, bug did whatever. But the whole point about it is if there was a different lifestyle that I thought that would have gave me the same gratification as making money, feeling like I'm important a nigger from the hood representing, then

I would have probably made that choice. But when you ain't got no dad in the house, your mom is working from eleven o'clock at night to seven in the morning. Ship Uh man, Uh, it's a man named Mr Davis and Mr Davis working t y C for forty years. Do last right now? I just said Mr David's name. Man.

Mr Davis was a uh. He was strict, but he was fair and we knew he cared and he wouldn't let the staff mistreat us, right, so we could so if if he man, man, we could go tell the staff on Mr Davis and man, he go jump on him like their students and I used to hear them always tell the staff members, y'all can't correct these kids.

If you ain't got no relationship with you, first have to establish a relationship with the motherfucker you trying to correct and tell something too if you think that person receive what you're saying. So without no, without no relationship, there's no connection. Man, I don't want to hear not what you're about to say. Nick, you can't come home with me if you and my face chip. As a young nigga, I resent it because I want you to come home with me the same discipline, the same chastising,

the same correction that you've given me. Man, you're just getting it to me right here, or youth counsel or writer here on a football field. Man, come home with me, Man, bring me home with you. Those are the type of things I would be saying as a young nig in my head, get my ass chewed out, mad any ting me out. But man, just what I've been wrolling all my life a man, and jump on me and tell me I'm doing wrong right now and and and that's something you do. Five six kids been in the night

at my house. You know every weekend. You didn't know because of a lot of the kids didn't have dads or you know, dads didn't show up to practice or games. And you know, and I have my son playing with me because I want to show motherfucker's that we as black men do have that connection with with our sons in the household. So that was one of my reasons for coaching and coaching with my son, uh, is to show that you know, there's a father, there's a son,

You got that lifestyle here. So and then I wouldn't want kids to feel alienated by that. Either. You get a ship. Karan got coached eight here, you know, with his dad, and they get to go home every day and you see our coach eight always on him and you know with his shoes and his he carry his equipment after practice and you know, so kids with Coach eight, can I come spend the night over your house this weekend? Or I'll be like, yeah, jump in the car, can

I come? So I have five six kids at the house, you know what I'm saying. And and I've never been um one to brag about it, but these kids are sixteen, seventeen years old and I got four of them in the room right now with my son. You give me. So that's the connection that I've had to where that as these kids grow up, they still have the connection to me as a father figure in the coach that they still even that they're in high schools and they

all go to different high schools. Now ship every weekend, these kids is at my house chilling. You get me that that's the connection that I feel that I had to give back to as far as knowing the way I grew up. Not to say I was fi their list because my father was still around, but he wasn't in the home and it made a significant difference. Say, ay, now, this is what I want to say to all the football coaches. Man, you say, man, you niggas are you

guys are the ones who stopped the future violence? Right? Uh, there's a guy by the name of Big Dome Or He coach litt league football in this city for a long time and once he got into politics, our local mayor and a few of our city council members went to California and they got this this v IP gang programs and does with gang bollers. So man, they don't realize all the young niggas that's doing the shooting and killing, all the ones play little league football together, so they

wouldn't got done. Man, Big don't can show up anywhere and ain't what's up coach. Don't all the young niggas know him, so he didn't been proven to be one of the most effective youth engagement people in the city from having coach little league football because you know, I met all the young niggles. It's a good start, and especially if you could get programs like that, because let's face it, you know, we we were kind of uh are are our nation is gifted at at sports, you know,

in those areas. You know, so if you can catch them young five six years old. And the whole thing about it is, we should have programs like that in the city. I mean, we we have them, but like I said, when I grew up, it was difficult because of neighborhood boundaries in areas dudes affiliated. But I think if that was something, uh that could be brought to the forefront in the city, and it could be you know,

to the point because it's real big among kids. You you just don't know how kids light up when they get to put on uniforms or be participants in the team or whatever. So I encourage a lot of single parents, whether their moms or dad's you know, try to sign your son up or kids up or daughters up. For some kind of its activities. It gets them out the house. It teaches them team you know, teamwork. It teaches them how to uh, It teaches them how to uh a

deal with certain situations adversity. It teaches you how to get along with people outside of your own area, you get me. So it's a good thing. Sometimes it's costly, but that's another thing I believe in. You know, sports can get our kids out of a lot of situations because as you see, a lot of these kids that's coming up now come from these situations. You know, a lot of our sports figures, you know, come from a lot of broken homes and poverty areas and gang infested situations.

So if that was offered to a lot, you know, it's costly, a lot of people can't afford it. But we gotta find a way to be able to bring that to the forefront too, because if we can give kids a different influence in a different path than what they see. Like I said, I'm I'm I'm I'm a musician. You know, I made records you know, drive by Miss Daisy and where We from the Hood and all that type of ship because it was an expression of what I saw growing up. So that's why I made those

type of records. But if you give you an opportunity, then what they see because you know, a lot of the music is pop, some pills, pop a gun, you know, stroke your woman, fuck your bitch, let's go get money, and I get it, you know, free mus three E suppression or whatever. But a lot of these kids gravitate to it. I got a son, you know, he listened to a lot of that ship. He's influenced. Not that he's going to go out and pick up a gun or think that you gotta drive a Lamborghini to be somebody,

but they are influenced. That's why I put him in football at five. His influences football, you get me. He still listen to rap music and he still listened to it and whatever whatever. But it's number one influences football. You know, it's not uh, it's it's not who's hanging on the block, or let's go over here and hang or whatever his ship is. Let's go train, go work,

let's go through some passes, let's go get you know. Sorry, If if the kids are put on a path of something that can catch their influence young, then I think it could keep a lot of them out of that lifestyle. Yeah, and he says earlier, he said some I'm earlier about the you know, little league football being costly and most of the time it's either have to be on the parents or the the little league organization to take the

supplement right the cost. So with our challenge most people in the hood, in the black community, man, uh, let's create a booster club. Why black folks ain't got no booster club man for the for the little leg sporting sports teams. Whether that's your your local, whether that's the local h black businesses that's in that area, or if there's just the people we know who know we coach little league football to know there's a little league football

team in our community. Were Man, we make monthly donation to a little league team. So man, that we all don't have it to give a lot one time, but we all gave something. Uh some of the time. Man, we'll take a burden off these coaches and these single mothers just trying to get their kids, Uh in some programs that's viable. Well, it's a question I got for Jesse, Like, um, you know they talked about a lot of money that takes the supplement, you know, the programs to get you know,

kids out of the house. I'm pretty sure the government has some kind of money for that man, some kind of granted something like that. The way you can go cover costs something like that. We talked about that earlier. And here for worth they call a CCPD is funny um. And that's through your your local police department, your sheriff department. Actually, just just a while ago, I got a phone call. I missed the phone call from the sriff because I call him earlier to talk to him about the Father

of the Father program. I just missed his call up here while we were while we were talking. But that's what you have to do. You have to get in there with those politicians like you sl Nobody would ever think about, I need to go to the sheriff to get some help. That's your county jail. Right then the niggers in the county, you create program for them niggers. And there's where you're your local funding comes from. That's that's your county funding. Right then you got state funding.

That's your state government. Whoever your local state congressman is over whatever districut. That's when when when when you hear politicians say, well, they earmark fifty million dollars for uh chicken FECs project. I mean, they gave fifty million dollars to somebody to go to study chicken ships. So so so when I told, when I said earlier that the California Police Department has a nine hundred million dollar budget for a police department, they're not spending all that money.

So a lot of that money is just sitting that belongs to us, but we don't know how to go solicit those funds. So with this new stimulus package, right that that they just put the forwards is nine hundred billion dollars. Man, four hundred four hundred billion is for inner city projects. It's for but we don't know about it, right, We ain't read the twenty three page stimulus package bill. Man, they got money it for us just to go create

a community garden. So just say, if I got a football team called the east Side Falcons, the east Side Falcons can go create a community garden in their community and just plant greens and in all opinios and get down there. Forty fifty tho dollars for just an inner city community grant. Niggas who like growing weed. They can also go up under that nine hundred billion dollars. So we're not we two bars to squabbling about the social

injustices that would happen to us. So we forget to try to follow the money, how to get to the money, and we get to the money, we cry about them kicking this and I asked, we got some money. But yeah, man, So uh, that's the idea of the people with the non profits. Uh, the people, uh, the the young ladies in the community who work at the banks, your local banks. Uh. If you gotta Chick fil A, you gotta Subway McDonald's. Man. McDonald's is one of the biggest corporate sponsorships of hip

hop music and black radio. Man. That's supposed to those local businesses supposed to be giving something back to it. That's why they're sitting in our communities, but in the churches as well. But we don't know how to go ask for the money. So that's so that's because there's there's not too many edges. That's like you said, there's not too many of there's not too many educated brothers on the subject of the matter. You know, we're so diff be worried about that six hundred dollar check instead

of worrying about going to create a fund. Yeah. So so that's where So that's where we're coming in, Uncle hitting up, come in with the corporate ships in the Brandon game. We got the political game, we got the criminal justice game. So now we got everything we need. Okay, we can go get the funds. And now when we submit the grand proposals, we got, uh, we got a collaboration of a network of people, not just in one state, but the two states. So they're just gonna leave us

on a on on our state. For man, we get federal phones, how we call how we collaborate now with this gang intervention, gang prevention, public safety between Texas and California program exactly. Man, you know, but before we before we cut it, man, because this is a very interesting

and needed conversation that we all have. And Man, I gotta ask you something, man, because I noticed and it's become you know, we talk about young people being you know, admiring those you know, hood figures, the major figures in their neighborhoods. Right. I know, it's a trend, man, of what these young people. Man um the words snitch has become like a defense mechanism for them. As soon as somebody do something they like that they have an enemy

of confrontation with somebody. Oh you're a snitch. They call the grandma. They called their grandmama. Snitches. You called the polia. Granted you snitch, don't know, so they think they grandmama. Yeah. So so that's the thing. And I think, like I said, it's become the go to defend mechanism for a young person, not even a young person, because I see some of

these other days, Oh here is snitch. I won't establishment you don't here because we don't talk about this multiple times, and it seems like that these knuckleheads still out they don't get it. The only way you can be first of all, the only way you can be considered as a snick is if you are a person engaged in crime. If you are a criminal and choose to the the

um devote yourself to underworld activities. Me and Charleston go rob a bank, I get caught, Charleston get away here back in Texas, chilling, and they tell me, oh man, you know what what we know you wouldn't buy yourself. Oh man, eight was with me, um and Charleston with me. As a matter of fact, ain't got the majority of the money. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I work a deal out, not get out and they come and

get y'all right, that is snising. If I am a law abiding citizen and I am walking into my house and somebody's following me home, they put a pistol in the back of mine. He had tied me up and take everything out, and I know it's the nigga up the street. Police come to my house and call me, right, you know, they come over and take it. Report man, that nigga John Do up the street tied me up to do it. That dude is not a snitch. He

is not asking for that. He's not a thing. So we recently had a situation where you have what's the cast name to where the rents in his hair and dressed like a girl. Uh yeah, south sau sauthy walking south walker. Yeah, you and him just had a thing to where he accused you with some stuff, didn't he. Yeah? Yeah, man, you know I've been man, I've been community active and right I'm I've been I've been community leader. Uh Man. I do training for the U. S. Department of Homeland Security.

I trained the States doing the correction officers I work with man, so you know what I do the community thing, right with the politicians and stuff. So a lot of times when I do, I'm very vocal about the shootings and the depths and that in the overdose that take place in in the city and in my community. So I'm vocal about it. So a lot of times I'm gonna Facebook talking and it's you know, some niggers to get on there. They want a gang bang on me,

hold me on the internet. You know. They get on there telling me they about the some ninety three bloods and I'm some killers dish and they barking real loud and they scared me. Well, man, I'm a law bidy citizen. Man, I don't want no problem with no gangs. And I'm just talking about community activism. So motherfucker telling me, nigga, I'm gonna hurt you, I'm gonna do this to you. Well, man, I'm a law bidy citizen. You can't threaten me and

tell me what you're gonna do. Now. I don't watch enough for for the eight where if I got to go kill that nigger. People want to know what if he threatened you and you fear for your life? But why didn't you make a report? So so I don't have to use no bond money, so I don't have to go get no lawyer, didn't have to wait for the grand jury to know building or have to go to trial and try to prove I would self defense men rather than killing the black man is on the

internet threatened me to couple my tracks. I wonna just go make a report. I ain't gonna press no charge with no terroristic thread. I'm gonna go tell them. People say that bad motherfucker over the threat me and he said, what are you gonna do to me? So next time? Man? Yeah? Man, So that's all I'm doing. Man, I want to stand here, tell you what you're you're a smart man, because what that does and people ain't understanding it creates a paper

track and over there Jeff defense like a motherfucker. So that's that's where didn't get that from. You know, nigga do all the threat and so I don't take threats light me, nig then you can't play with me by threatning. So I'm gonna go because I gotta keep doing the community world. How I'm gonna let the nigg in the streets tricked me to come in the streets and play his street route. I'm gonna lose. I made it out, so how I'm gonna let them nigga tricked me into

going back. So what happened was I got tired of making them complaints. It's going down, They're fetting out the paperwork. So I had like five blood niggas drive from three cities and come down off of my neighborhood playing super lowedown bloods right, and what they gonna do to me? They brought guns and everything, and they called and told

me they would go do it. So I beat them down there and got set up, and when they showed up, I jumped out the bushes and two days later I'm the only one in jail would would aggravate the salt with it, that the weather man. So I'm not on three bones right now because I left some niggers on the internet tricked me and the playing gangster. And when I got gangster, oh man, I got to spend all this money now man, So yeah, so now man, I'm gonna tell it. Man, fun you, I'm gonna go tell

it's a bad, bad, bad thing. He would go do something to me bad. So I wanna let you choke man. He's a bad man over there. So I'm law biding citizens. I've got a bad bad he bore. I'm a good I'm a p t a dad. And then I go to the PTA meeting exactly like I go to PTA meetings and kid football games. I'm not spending and you talk about killing the digging good me up and fucking hanging me at all comedy ship, let me put down. Want to remind me of the worst days of our life,

nigger the nineties? You want to take me back to the nineties when it was niced and then scattered them kind of niggas from the nineties. Yeah, you know, that just goes to me. That just goes to show the ignorance of of of some Niggers who feel like, I don't give funk. If you are a hundred years old, you're still supposed to play by the street rules or where. But I'm a hundred years old, you get me. I ain't been in the streets in fifty years. Yeah, I'm

raising grandkids and I'm over here being being normal. Mr Rogers, stop talking to me. About nigger. You're gonna bust on me and you're gonna do and and douz blood I'm from this and I'm like, dude, I'm walking on the cane right now. You still got a problem with me? Like what the funk? So I get it, But it's the level of how people huts that you're still supposed

to be street affiliated. So if I tell you I'm gonna kill you, nigga, you bet not gonna tell nobody, especially want to sing yourself, because, like you said, the niggas from wherever road down on you and appairly they thought she was to play play nigga. And when you came back out on him and showed him that it wasn't the game. Now they running to the police and telling on you. Oh he ain't that a trip? So so they come to get you and you wind up

doing some time. Oh man, I'm not on bone right now. Man, it's been over years, so I'm not on bone right now. Man, Try and get And ain't that the situation that the hardest motherfucker will try to test you. But then when you show the motherfucker I ain't to be fucked with, they be the ones who run and get the telling the hole store tell a lot of motherfuckers too. You know. Sometimes you just gotta watch who it is because the hardest motherfucker be the weakest motherfucker in a in a

different situation. Yeah, man, so yeah, I'm I'm fighting in cases right now. Man, So ship up. But it's looking good on my behad though. Yeah, you know, And that's the thing I just wanted to put that out there for your young people. Man, you gotta be careful going online making idle thrits because when you're threaten somebody online and don't think because you press the delete button that's

going away. No, because like you said, First forty eight and all the other shows and just detective work has proven that you don't get away with nothing was done. The dirt will always come to light, and I always want that. I'm gonna say one thing to the youth tool on that type of situation coming from that. Stop stop feeling like you know, um, egos gotta put you in the in the egos to put you in the

fucked up situation. So um, stop feeling like you gotta test the motherfucker to prove your ship, because you could be a humble, motherfucking cool too and still get a lot of respect. Yeah, stop beefing with niggas you don't know over this bullshit? So what fuck it? If for nigga live across town, So what why you? Why are you stop? Just stop beefing with niggas over because this nigga put out a rap song and you gotta rap song, or this nigga live over here and you live over here.

The young niggas gotta stop learning how to beef just because it's in the air, like fuck it. Oh what the nigga's over there wrapping two or nigga fuck their crew. Nigga were harder than that next thing. You know, niggas is beefing on but the internet ship. So just learning to curve that ship. Man, Just learn to kirk because, like I said, a lot of a lot of niggas is getting killed and a lot of niggas is dying and dropping because the egos. It ain't even because the

real beef, it's just because the egos. Nowadays, you know, a month, nigga want to prove that they're harder than the next nigga, whether it comes to music, sports or just trying to hang in the month sucking neighborhood and ship. You get me, we had we had real uh soociated beef and ship when I was gang banging whatever you want to call it, but it's still was was was a lot of silliness. What's next for you guys, oh, man, the father of the Father's program or there's being introduced.

So just as soon as we get off, man, Mr Taylor, go be hitting up. Sure if be a waiver to shout out to suff be awaiver man. Uh. Hopefully we can get these programs introduced into the county jails. With these father the Father's program, Man, we can be able to offer young brothers, uh, some of the same assistance that single mothers get by way of trying to introduce policies. Man. And the first thing we need to do, man is is is get the child support system out of the

criminal system. We have to stop criminalizing for that. So, so that's dumb ship that they could have came up with. It's taking prit people's licenses and all that ship downport. You can't world that ship as dumb as hell? How the funk am I supposed to get to work? If you're gonna take my driver's license we'll be taking and let for ninety percent of the jobs you get, you gotta drive. The fucking don't get to work if you

want to take my drive. And then another thing, Now you're going to create a whole bunch of fucking criminal bullshit because how many niggas ain't for the fucking drive. I'm still gonna get in my car and drive over. And now I got a motherfucking ticket and got to go to jail forfended license for not paying some money, not because I was drunk and hit of motherfucker, not because I didn't crashed on the highway or something. You want to take my license because of some fucking money.

That was the dumbest ship ever. Whoever made that ship, they need to get rid of that ship everywhere. So that's the plan, man. So once we once week before, once we feel like we can restore the fathers man, then we can start working on the community. I'm gonna ask you, guys, where can they find I know I asked you first, where can they find you at? Online Charleston Man, my my YouTube, the official Charleston White Instagram or the official Charleston White and then Facebook, Charleston White.

Are your Instagram, Yes, Sir atles at Charleston J. White. All right, sure, how about you sir on Facebook? Just to table, Just to table, just so so people can't reach out to you guys if they have any questions about the program that you offer. Eight one seven seven nine eight five one five three you just get a number out on their hum Yeah. Man, he actually hey, Mr Taylor actually has a whole youth a ranch, man. You gotta he got about an acre and a half

of land. Uh. He got a facility where they can learn to work on cars. You got another facility, man, where they can dig their own a little low pond and creek and do the water irrigation. He got another low side where you can do your holder coach in Landstadent do you some farming. Uh So he got a whole little little facility for kids. Man. Were returned to a summercount. So that's what we tried to do prior to the coronavirus hitting at the start of this year.

You know, you as long as you teach your kids and then you go a long way. Basically what I do, man, I'm just sure trying to give back to some stuff that I've done a long time ago. Man, I got in this. I got this man, my son, I used to be. I used to be a drug deal on myself. Man, and my son seen some things as you at a young age. Man, And I asked him when we got older, because I see him started doing the same thing, and

he's seen some of the trouble I got into. And I asked him one day, I say, son, Man, I said, why do you why are you doing this? Why are you going on the same road without going down? And you've seen the trouble out that that that that it caused me. He he cocked his head and he said, Dad, He said, Man, when I was young, one day, he said, you told me to going there and get that bag duffel bag out. He said, you told me not looking it, he said, But I looked in it, and I've seen

a bag full of money. He said, Dad. It was just then, Man, I've been chasing that bag full of money. So man, when he when he said it tim me, Man, it touched me, you know. And that's when I was like, well, if I influence my son you know this way, then I don't influence a whole bunch of these other you The young guys around here, you know, with the flashy called the women to go, you know how how the dope deal a go. You know. So from that part on and I had to change everything. Man, I was like,

I gotta show, I gotta show my son. I don't want the sun or something. All these other young boys are heard something different too. Well. That concludes another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the I Heart app and subscribe to The Gangster Chronicles podcast For Apple users, find a purple mica on the front of your screen, subscribe to the show, leave a comment

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