EP 81: International Madam

the streets. Hello, people call the Madam. I call the Pipper Pipper, don't you call it? You call it the Pipper Pipper, the pepper Pepper, you know, the Pipper, his pipper. And she was pimping all over the world. What's happening. Her name is Nina's Dany, and she's writing out with us live all the way and went in my right. Yes that's right, everybody, Thank you for having me. What's good? What's good? It is it cold over there? It is it's November, so it's kind of like New York weather.

I've been in Switzerland about two or three times, so I know it gets real cold over there, so I'm just checking in on that weather. So I know COVID right now, nobody traveling, but usually I'll be overseas around this time traveling and Switzerland is one of my spots I usually hit, all right Z Yeah, yeah, that's for sure, for sure. So we got a lot of stuff to go through. You were what they would call a madam and my correct would that be in the correct assumption? Yeah,

that's right, madam. I read the escort service and the events and stuff parties, private party and special parties, special parties. We went on at those parties a lot of freakuments in the States and not like over here in Europe because over here I had a broad though and SNV club side Mazo and the escort service. So in the States would usually be the Wall Street guys. Uh, ten guys get together and I have to figure out some

special ways of you know, I entertain them. Okay, So for the people out there that's kind of square that don't know what that's, um, what does it mean? Saddle masochism? Yeah, so basically the woman can be the domina and dominate the man or the other way around. Oh wow, that's some freaky ship right there. You know, that's some real life ship. Should you usually see on a porno or some ship like that? Your motherfucker's usually really acting shipped

out like that? That that that's crazy ship? Is that something like like putting candles on your nibbles and ships? That's vanilla right there. But it's yeah, I mean, pain is pleasures and for some people, right, but there's different ways and I've learned a lot about it as well. I'm not a domina, but I ran the club over here, so I had to do all the courses because the police controls it. Basically, you gotta do it the colma and you gotta get the license for it. So I

have to give help. So if someone is bleeding proposing, like you know, I have to help them. You know that they don't die. But yeah, yeah, and it has to be very sanitary. How did you how do you how do you form? Like? Like, how do you get into building a client base or you know, building or getting the girls or whatever? What? What? What is the method to building a successful establishment like that? Right? Um? First of all, I had different websites with different like Uh,

ways like to be on Google. Then of course you have different sites where you can promote. And then I have very good girls because I give the girls more than anyone else. So for an example, everything that's extra that goes in the girl's pocket, and I asked them even to charge extremely high. So I have better girls than others. And client service is very important to me.

So I'm not just taking any girl. She has to be always very polite, very clean, very pretty, know what she's doing, and the clients just know they can rely on it. There's not gonna be a girl who tells them like hurry up, hurry up or whatever, it's not happening, you know. So, but that you can definitely build a client base. The girls look like the ones on the pictures, uh, and the services is good, so that way you can

do so pretty much. It was a lot of fake and go on a lot of fake moaning and stuff because they were with these old old fan dudes. They wasn't putting in our work, so it's just a lot of fake and they made them feel like real men. And basically that's what you're saying, right m hm. Definitely, but you know some people, they really are into it. So it's like, and that's something I want to bring

out now in the movie and in my documentary. So prostitution always sounds like it's dirty and it's disgusting, and the women who do it have to do it. A lot of women they actually want to do it because they might want to make a thousand dollars an hour, and I think a lot of them want to and they on free will, like no one tells them what to do, how to do it. They can come and leave asi please, are just a very simple rules you know,

they have to go by. But it's an environment that you know, women can make a lot of money and they are safe there because I have safety ways. You know how how I protect my women? Yeah, go ahead, dreams. Well, I just want to know how you got into it being a small woman and a very dangerous business. You know what I'm saying, How did you survive? No, well, we're in prison and just running a business like that.

What happens when you get a man that that's drunk full of itself and not like in the service, How do you control that a small woman? Yeah? Yeah, so this is the thing I never had. I have security people around me, if there's really like a dangerous usually it's just a driver that's a security. Um. But what I usually did is if a guy didn't want to pay, usually have to pay upfront anyway, if there's any issue, UM, I will go by. And I would never say I'm

the one who run it. I'm the messenger. So I never said I'm the one who runs it, because what I'm gonna do if someone wants to, like, you know, do something to me, they can. I always say, well, I'm just a messenger. UM, I'll give you your money back. But when my boss is coming back from Russia, his name is Ivan or Igor, you can deal with him.

So it's fine. And usually these guys who pay all this money, they don't want to deal with that, you know, because you know, they have usually a certain position or they gotta if they if they hear Russia or Russia mob, they always they back off. And usually you know, even though I don't even know it, because I wouldn't tell people I'm the one who runs it. I just always say, well, the boss is coming in, do this, do that, or

you know, if not, he's gonna be mad. And there was never no one around so but that way I kind of headed off my back, you know, people want to do. And then at the same time, if someone called the police, they can we are going because it's legal for you to, you know, and a lot of people have positions they can't afford that. Yeah, so you pretty much played mind games with a limb. Yeah, exactly, That's what it is, you know, And that's what I wanted to do. James text on a good point. I

wanted to go back to the beginning. So you started off in New York City, right right back to the beginning. How you got in the game. Right. So when I came to New York first, I was twenty years old with no visa, just a tourist visa, and I was telling watches first Swiss company, and that company moved to Hong Kong, and I was I didn't want to go there. So I thought of like, how can I pay this apartment?

Because I lived in the Diamond District. It was three thousand a month the little apartment that it was cash. So I worked in the strip club for like three months and I figured out the language, like the English got better, and I met a girl that had like his backpage girls and she was like you know, picking them out off the street and giving them housing. So my thought was, how about to start networking and all the Italians already that will go to Ciprianis and all

these places. I started picking up girls and then I had this one thing like they had a lot of apartments in the Diamonds, but there was actually office building. So I rented all the apartments and putting girls from Switzerland already worked in a bratto, so they know how to work, and they had a three months, changed them

all the time. Then Airbnb came up. I got different ideas, rented these like every month, had changed the place, and I went out to network and I just gave out my card and then one guy um you know, says, oh it was an amazing it was great women. There's another friend, you know, like word of mouth basically, and with that I built it up within like nine months, had girls I had. It was it was getting busy, but I was always out, like six days a night. I was playing golf. I went into the charity event.

I went to the guard bars, you know where all the let's say, old rich men why you know. Or then Wall Street came in and Wall Street was Friday to Sunday through it. So and then I had some a reps and I had international clients. So it was building it by itself slowly and kind of fast as well, because I was one and when I started by by twenty two, I was pretty much yeah, established, So I figured out the game. But how I got into it, it's really my best friend. She was working since a

young age because she really loves this job. Um. And she was making so much money. And in the script club, I would just give a clients and she would give me a commission for it. And I saw my telling this talking, just talking people out of their money, um. And and but that way I was seeing, Okay, what do guys don't like? So they call services and the girl is ugly, Um, maybe she don't look right, she stays, she doesn't know what she's doing. And and then I

had in professional women. They look beautiful, they don't care, they work and they will do their best. Um. So I started doing it like that. Then my friend, the Italian guy, he had a model agency. So all these models wanted to make money, and and I had some college girls. I started getting into the policition and for politicians, I had one that basically trusted me, and then he, you know, gave me a whole lot of more clients straight out of California. The Gangster Chronicle with James made

Steal Steal James eight. Yeah, nigga, better give me my fire Donald, I put that on the ship. I need to go give me some Watermera. My motherfucking feet fucking with me. Gangs the chronic because of my ass. Hey, granny, help money, Just gangster granny. Y'all know me. Why are you at? So that way I established myself pretty nice as a certain time. At the same time, I was working in the music business because I really wanted to

manage and book tours, so I did. I booked some people for overseas, and I did an internship with Sony and uh yeah, in the music business, I just gave them drugs and women's for favors. So that way I got favorite small class of people. And they know, they don't mind if I come to the studio and bring them drugs, right, I mean they I'm not gonna rob them, I'm not gonna film them. I'm always reliable. So we became friends, you know, so favors and that way it worked.

Out pretty well for me in the beginning. Yeah, I know you change, no Joe, how did you wind up impresion? Well, this is the thing, um, my mistake was I saw, especially in ball Street, everyone wants to get high. So I had a guy that I would just send to the client and he would make money and whatever. I didn't want anything from that. And then he started getting unreliable. And if I don't have drugs by five six am, he's gonna maybe do an hour instead of ten hours,

or a day or two days. So I got myself a connecting New York and I just started buying my own drugs and bringing it to the clients. But I wouldn't even like. I didn't mix it up. I didn't like really he said, if you do three hours, I gave you two baggage for free. I don't care, right, it's just you have to take the book her. So I got even better, connecting better connect So by the end that was pretty much by the by the first connect um with the Columbians, that was with that, and

that I would still there not touch the stuff. I would just back it up, give you one point one one point two for free, or four hundreds you know whatever. So and then I had, of course other friends. They wanted to have some stuff. So with time I was probably selling like almost a quilo a month, just with little baggage here and there, you know. And how I got into prison was someone that I called the Big Brother uh in the former Bad Boy associated and stay

Um he goes by name from Paul ex bodyguard. He um set me up. Unfore with the fats go back. So Uncle probably from Bad Boy, turns you in. Well what happened is this. I was extremely naive. I trust him. Um didn't understand switching on, didn't understand the streets at all. Right, Well, and and basically he said I need a favor, and I said, I can't do you the favor. I can't give you a connect because they won't like talk to you. Only talk to me because I'm really reliable and I'm

engaged to somebody. Um. And the end of the day, I'm I will do the drop, but I do it only once I do want favor for you, and I can't do it after because it's now. I was afraid to be rapt because I didn't then I'm gonna be or I maybe get beat up or something. So I said at the one and I saw it to under over the US me too, and of course there was the you know, and I was in shocking, like why

are they coming up for me like that? I was on a and we were in a sushi spot on the Upper east Side, like a fancy place, and we were sitting down and he says, I have the money really loud, and I packed the drugs off like a gift. He was right after Christmas in two thousand twelve, and uh when he said that, and she saw he was shaking.

And then I turned around and I see the lights and it was like, you know, the whole d A, the FBI, NYPD, they all turned up and they just you know, I was I was like, they were not here for me, so I'm trying to walk out. They're like, no, they gotcha. So they put me handkles, give me on my rights, and I just know when someone retail around, it's a bad time, so I'm guess. So then they

went to my house. Um, they knew just everything that he basically knew, But at that point I still didn't know it was him because I didn't know the snitching that it's not being possible over here, we don't. It doesn't work like here like that, you know. So then, um, when when I saw the whole thing in front, like

you know, I went into the courtroom and stuff. I had no co defendant, so the guy was always a d A UM on the cover and he was there as well with the you know, when we had all these talks with the d a So they wanted me to snitch. And at that point, I think for me even on not from the streets, but it's just I

funked up and I take the plane. So I took the blame from anyone in the house because it was my house on top of that, and you know, and he to me like, you're gonna do twenty five years, twenty four years, go right now, you gotta do the twenty five years. And I'm like, well, I'm just gonna get a lawyer, you know. So in the end, um, they had to like throw out a lot of stuff from their rest because it wasn't correct. So I was lasting disguise, but I still had to do time. You know.

I definitely had to take a deal at one point, and I couldn't go to trial because I would lose, you know. And he never got arrested, uncle Poli. And of course, I mean on my part, my side, no one gets arrested you. So I just took the blame. And I think he counted that I would switch, you know, so that he will be out of the thing. And while I was imprisoned, a lot of people came up to me for me like he's known for. It's not

I'm not here to retaliate or like you know. I just feel like people was deal with him right now. Sure at least no, um, that's been anything that I went through. That's the only thing I really want to do. So he basically introduced you to the undercover yes, and he never got he would know right and he would get arrested for conspiracy, but he never did. Okay, And

of course my my fiance got arrested as well. And then he came out because I took the blame even to him, and he said, well, things happened like that, but now you have to make money. You want to do another deal tonight, I can get up for you nobody from the streets. But no, the guy just got arrested, came out of the fetes, and it's gonna offer him a deal. Because he knows he will be watched, you know, and my excellent he's he's from the streets. He was

a forward. He kind of explained it to me how that works, and I was like, I couldn't believe it, you know, but it was definitely clear what it was. M M Joe. Your fiance walked, You took the time. Did you marry him? No? Did you marry you try? No? Now the thing is after time, me getting deported, you know, because I took the deportation that I can do less time. You know, so if it's a non violent crime, I can do two years and I get deported, and over here the law is so lenient, you know, I'm free.

So I took that instead of doing a whole lot more time. And after that he got another little charge. He couldn't leave the country. So then well be looking at three and a half years not seeing each other. Um, you know so, but we still got friends to this day. All right, Okay, yeah, because you know he had a Sholotte one, He had a Sholotte one on his team, and for you to take that time and do it, but then they deported you, right, all right, But what

what's the best thing for me to do. Imagine I'm doing all this time, probably still get deported or I'll be stuck in the States and I can't get nowhere, you know, being a fellon. Um, yeah, I don't know. So I just I've had to come back here because it's good. It's not as much fun as the State, but it's like it's a good country, you know. I let me ask you a question. So, like James said, you're not You're not the toughest person in the world. You know what I mean. You're a woman, you know

what I mean. You look like a model, you know what I'm saying. So, what's the weirdest thing that you've ever seen? Like, like, what's the thing that freaked you out the most? Working the problem? Like what's the freakiest thing you ever had somebody asked to get done to them? Um? In the States are here in Switzerland. I know when Switz nor either play back, there's probably some difference ship

going on in Switzerland Switzerland. In Switzerland, someone asked me, Um, if I could get a rat that's a life that someone can put that in his bottom? Uh, And I said no, because there could kill him and he The right is in his bottom, so I couldn't do that. But it was like the weird because he know he would die and I don't want to know that body and my brother. So somebody, what's that guy? Hey? No, what's that guy? The singer with the big mouth? Uh? Is it Mick Jagger? I don't want to say. I

don't want to get the name wrong. But I had Gerbil put up his ass. I think that was that was that Richard Gear. Yeah, I think I was the actor exactly. Okay, it's the same thing as a rat, but I want to want to gerbil up the ass. But that way people, you you would never. No, man, there's some crazy motherfucker's in the world. I mean because we see it every day. I mean you catch it on the news a few times. I mean you got

motherfucker's who killed people, killed kids. Do some just weird ship, But you know when it comes to sexual ship, it's weird motherfucker's out there. They called me weird because I was introduced to the candle ship. I told you ain't been just hot blacky. I would tell you boy that she had me so right that wax on my nipples and ship. I was in it, mother and James said, ship I got introduced to that hot cator wax. It was it was craph You know some women, some women

like to be choked, you know what I'm saying. And I gotta get out of that type of ship choking you want, you know what I'm saying. And it was it was different and and it was it was cool.

It was cool. So going into that and then you know, you can go and have a woman do what what you desire, what what your pleasures are that I mean, and that's that's that's kind of like I mean, I guess when I guess, everybody got their pleasure meters, my nigga, you know what I'm saying, And it goes to what level that that your pleasure meeter reaches, you know, because you can get yourself into some different kind of ship when it comes to right now, Yeah, that's a little

bit pol that's a little bit. That's a little bit uh far out of reef, you know what I'm saying. I'm a regular nigga soul, but you know some of that ship is far out of reach. But it all depends on what your meter is. For a regular motherfucker, where you could go you feel me. So what you say you called a vanilla, right, you said it's a little bit. But if someone says I'm freaky, I don't really I really want to know, is because the level

that I've seen as a vanaging all these brotherls. They there's different ways of from women to men to like dominated. I think some guys they get addicted to get to to get I mean the number one thing in Zurich, Switzerland, it's not getting peed on, is getting the girls basically feat the guys their own ship. Huh. And I'm not and I'm saying a lot of guys are into young

old black white Spanish. It's I don't know what it is, but it's kind of you know, and they have to sign a form because in case they catch hepatitis or something, I don't want to be responsible for it because I can't test the women every day, you know, they just have to get tested. But that's like the thing, I guess. And there's people over there in it eating ship. Yeah. So you know for me today, they have to a background check on every broad where they've been, maybe to

find out extreme man, come on still extreme? Yeah, that's crazy man. You know, let me ask you before I lose this. Let me say this. The cold thing about this whole goddamn concept is that these men's go to these places and then after that they go home to their wives. Yes, it's crazy, yeah much so. Basically, uh, motherfucker's can come in sign a consent form and as long as they sign that consent form, whatever level they

want to go through they go to. Well, it depends on the woman as well a lot of things, you know. I mean, for me, they can always choose what they want to do and not want to do, you know. So, Um, that's the first thing I respect us to be right, especially when a man dominates the woman, because then it's banking and then it's hitting, but it's no hitting in the face, and and there's levels of hitting there. It's

like it's basically called slavery over here. It's soft slavery, medium slavy, and heart slavery means until you bleed with the web and they's but the girls that I had to do that was only like two or three and they're really into it. But they have pleasure in that. But I have, of course, um, a girl that's a nurse there and they just have to know what they do but you never know how far they go into it,

so there's like a belly have they compressed? So it's just I didn't really like getting into that because you never know if someone hadn't to do that too much, you know, with the choking, it's the same thing. It's not even that's serious, but you know some people maybe

they lose themselves in that moment. You never know what might go overboard, you know, going off with James said, by being in that lifestyle that you were in, you know, being a medal and everything, how hard is it for you to have a normal relationship because you probably look like every do, like they have a piece of ship. Come no, no, no, no no, no. I don't have a bad reception of men at all. I say, like, I know what I like and what I don't like, and

what kind of men I like and don't like. But I wouldn't judge, right, But if a man likes to eat it, I probably don't want to be with you, and I like, no, It's it's just hard to day because I just know men really well. So it's like if you're trying to like, you can't bullshit the bullshit. That's that's just the one so, and you know, to me, it's more hard to date someone that can teach me

something in life. It's not about money. I make my own money, But can you teach me something, bring something to the table that I get further and I can further you. But because I always pull up people, which I love doing, I love helping. But I think it's more that because it's unattractive to me if I always have to help and you can't teach me nothing, I think that's a little bit more. Yeah. So you're more into the mental space of a man, and you're not

even really tripping off the physical stuff. No more then, no, no, no, physical has to be right. But I'm saying, if you're dumb and you lay, I'm not gonna be attractive to you. If you're intelligence and you have something going on, it's going to be more attractive anyway. But of course physical asked us to be right. Yeah, So, so let me ask you this, outside of the freaky stuff and everything else like this. I know you're not gonna name names,

but did you have a large celebrity clientele? Um? Large? I wouldn't say large, definitely a few, but I would say more like politicians Hollywood, Wall Street, Smanda of famous, but like um celebrities a few and yeah, but nothing freaking with the celebrities, just real vanilla hunh Yeah. And in the States, I think I'm a vanilla dude, you know what I mean. I don't really care about it. So I just want more money. So the more they spent,

the freaker they are, the better for me. It's like I have if we came down there, how much money we gotta brain bring your bank account? Never be plowing wax on myself. I'm gonna big burning candles on me. I that's go on to this right now. So you wound up going to prison, right, and like, how to all? Are you? You? Five? Three? Right? Five too? And I went back to a little bit more, how did you survive in prison? Like like they didn't try to punk you as soon as you went in there? Well, this

is what happened. Um, When at first I didn't know, right, the guy island never So I had a sixty second call after the court called my ex and he's like, listen, you're about to go to a place. Don't talk to nobody, don't get into fights. Because he was there for three years and so Anyways, I went to Riker's Island and I just show and the first thing was I just I just never got involved in stuff. But um, if someone comes to test me, I was just acting tough. And I guess if I lost the fight, I lost

the fight. But I would not do nothing. That definitely not you got You got in a few confrontations, yes, definitely. And I think one chick she was like six too. She was a big hillbillie bitch if I can't sit here, and she took a cigarette out of my mouth and smoked it and blew it in my face and I'm like, give my cigarette back, and then she's like, well, come and get it. Like I'm well, then I told him, gonna have to beat your ass and she's I had to look up like this, and then she's like, well,

then let's go to the bathroom. So I went there. I'm like, damn, I'm gonna about to get my ass. But she never, she never, she never came to the bathroom. So I was lucky. But you have to just stay in your ground a few times. I mean, that's that's just life situations. Sometimes you gotta stand up to a mothercker to let them know you ain't scared. Then usually they're back down from that stand up, don't know what

it means. And I would just introduce it to the newbies that came in, and she would look out for me. So I was like a little deal so people wouldn't mess it, you know. And I played basketball and I'm pretty good at it. So then people get mad at me. Even I went I had to, you know, I needed some back up there, you know, going back to the uncle party thing. So he just pretty much got away scott free with everything. You know. Yeah, um, but it's

just a lot of people know now. And I made a video on YouTube that kind of made its round, and a lot of people hit me up from Harlem, you know, and asked me, like, it's that really true? And I said, yeah, I'm not here to lie about nobody, but I feel like people need to know the truth. So then he made that the video got deleted, that his name had to be taken out and stuff, which, well, it is what is you know, the YouTube guidelines, But people know. And I just feel like I'm not writing.

I didn't write the book or the movie. It's not about him, It's about my life. But I feel like and you claim to be a gangster and it's tough, dude. People should know And and I knew why he sent me up. Now it makes all sense, but it wasn't fair because I didn't do deals with you. I didn't go and rob a banqueach you. And now we both you know I did you a faith he said. Basically he was basically he was faced with some ship and

he figured like, fucking let me just turn. Let me just turned the Feds, only you, so that will get me out of some trouble. I think he had to do more than than just some favorites. I think it's a few favorites because I know some people more got arrested that he introduced to me. Once it just made sense all in the end, right um. And then from some people that that that know him and the surroundings just told me that you know, he got caught up in a whole lot of ship and now he has

to basically of the government, you know. But like when when you messed up, they're gonna offer you, you know, if they'll that you have to snatch the same that they did with me. But I feel like for whoever he is or whatever situation, he was in. He just he took to deal with the fats. I guess, oh wow, so let me. I just can't get over like like

this is crazy to me. Man. So you didn't reveal none of your names, none of your people that you had, like none of your clients, right, because they were asking I'm pretty sure, right, yeah, they offered me a lot of money for that. But I feel like if someone pays for that, that's expression. And I'm not putting out no names now when the movie comes out, I'll be working right now on the development. Just is gonna like right around the character. But that you're not gonna find

out who it is. But you could have an idea, you know, right, because I'm not going to ask you to review the names because you know I understand it. But what's the highest level of government did you have as a client government, Like what's the highest like a senator or mayor, the governor? The governor Now you're just chowing it out, now, who's the governor at that child?

That it depends on depends on what state it was, right right, it was it was and any other things changed, like people have changed positions instead because this is how many years ago, like ten years ago about so. I guess at the time that was probably good Juliana. You know, you know you love just throwing out some ship man. You just don't do that. Maybe I didn't accuse Juliana nothing less. You know, he's but when you first started, you said, we ain't gonna use no names. Yeah, your

ass just come out with you. I don't know for sure, you know what I mean. I don't think so she didn't say nothing. I don't know. I said it's nothing, no, no, Tuleani no. And again I mean I wouldn't say name. It's the only name that I was real his uncle Paul. Right. Let me ask you this now, wo you kind of being with you consider yourself an expert is sex? Um? I would can't consider myself an expert as how to make money with sex? Poor a little liquor and roll

something up. Chronicles. We'll be right back gotten damn it. This is O g Gangster Granny and y'all tuned into the Gangster Chronicles on a black effect podcast net. But never turn off my goddamn greens. You'll bet and not burn up my ship. Hey, okay, so you said I I have a lot of friends that have porn stars. But I can't say that, you know, I know, I don't. I probably know more than the average, for sure, and

I'm more open than maybe the average. But I can't say I'm the best, you know what I mean, I can I can say that because I don't know. But when it comes to when if woman comes to me and she says, I want to make money this business for like two years, I will teach her how to get the most money the two years to save it. And you know, because because you don't want to be fifty and still be telling us, you know very good.

Any of the women, any of the women that you have, do they ever get choken out of this place, get married and have kids? Yeah? Absolutely? I mean my best girl, Um, she's like she paid off two houses as a lot of money in the bank and she's getting married. Now that's a good thing, very lucrative, all right. But I'm staying like these women that I want to hire, they want to I want them to have a plan. I don't want them to just hang around and do nothing.

Have a plan that that money, because I can't use you for three or four years because everyone saw you

at one point and it's not interesting anymore. I need more girls, new girls, you know, you gotta just And then again I have to think, like if you don't smart enough to make enough money at that time, I don't want to have you under my girls, because some one girls that can have conversations with you, you can take on a trip, on on a dinner and spend time with them, you know best just fall in love.

So so do you basically when you get ready to fuk with a girl, do you tell her that there's like a three year, four year plan, you know, and I'm only gonna deal with you for a certain amount of time. Yes, absolutely, And and I tell them myself what's the best for them to do it? Because I again, um, you know, if I can help out, help out. But I feel like I know it's best for women not to do this for a long long time, you know, because you're gonna get used to a certain easy way

of making money. And then what are you gonna do after you got invested? Don't buy bags? Have somebody else buying you bags, you know, or shoes or whatever. You're so let me ask you this. You think you could take the average guy? Like, do you think you could take the average guy and show him how to be a good Uh. Because what you're doing I really can call a piving is you're sharing the money. A pip don't really share no money, you know what I mean? So do you think a guy could You can show

a guy how to do that. Yeah, but it's harder because the guys the things that I'm a woman, so I'm not seeking a relationship with them. Guys always feel bad for women when they cry or have a problem. They want to help. I don't. I don't feel bad on someone christ Uh, you know what I mean. I'm trying to help them to get a solution. Um, you know, and meant then they get soft, Oh I'm sorry, and

then this the relationship starts me. But then if these feelings involved, it could be the day is a guy that's good at that, But you really have to keep your feelings out and you cannot touch that girl on the no circumstances. The second you have relations with her, it's over. You're gonna be either the pip or her boyfriend. You know, she got game right when you when you experience and you know what you do, that's how you gotta do. You gotta set the grand room ship, right,

And that's what I'm saying. A lot of people say, oh, we're friends. No, it's the business thing and it's on the same thing. But they will see the success that they have. And women, you know, they're always women who already work in this job. They know how to um persuade a guy or you know, to manipulate them. But you can't manipulate me, because I'm gonna check. So what are you gonna do, you know, relationship with you so

or are you presently in a relationship? No? Why? Um, the last relationship I had was was someone a little bit younger than me, and it's just yeah, I'm gonna say that the right way. That's not mean. Um, I just feel like I'm on a different level and I just cover it, like you can't do nothing for me. I always have to help and figure out things, and then just stupidity turn off. I just can't say like that.

So you was playing too much of the mama road, right, and I just don't want to be that, you know. But it's not even that. When someone does a stupid thing, and it's not even the cheating part or whatever, Right, I'm just saying you do something really stupid, especially for my me. Yeah, no, it's a turn off. They gotta be a little bit smarter and think a little bit further. And that was just for me, like the yeah, and then on top of the coronavirus didn't make it easier,

so it was just better too, you know. But I'm okay with it, you know, because that I have I work as an HR in the office and my head hunter. I do a medical medic and mariana business, and have my other book and the documentary stuff going on, the movie stuff. So I'm busy. So you're still so you're still hustling. Still, Yeah, that's more about the book. I know. It's called The International Matter, How Woman Control the World

Wide Six Room. M h. So you have so you have going on how many different countries for I mean for continents. Yeah, that had girls everywhere pretty much, and that's like and they were always The good thing is they would meet at certain places and they always have pretty girls. I would say, listen, if you introduced me to the girl, she makes me money, I give you a nice and nice fee. And then they're like, you know, they're not really chell us of each other because they

feel like, hey, we all pretty girls. We always make money and it kind of works like that, you know. It wasn't like a beef or notthing like that. Girls have to you know. Hey, yeah, well man, that's an incredible story. So the book is out now right, a right, the book is on Amazon and Walmart and Parts and Nobles. Oh, try to count that. I'm gonna have to go count that. Give it a ready, that's that's say. Looks it seems like it's a good read. So I'm might have to

go peep that out. Yeah, that's yeah what I'm saying, because I'm gonna try to take a guess and who that governor was? You know what I'm saying, don't people you know? Still you want to know who the the governor was here? Yeah, a little freaky mother, don't mean. But this is the thing. The White House has a lot of people that I know that they came in there, went there because you know, and then again they just all referred at one point, you know. But I would

never like tell their names. I have to be honest, yell know, you would never tell their names. Because I beat you. I can guess who one of the freest dudes in the world. I beat you don't Trump, free you to the mouth. Uh he likes girls like his daughter. Oh that would make a little college flung girl probably probably I can see that don't Trump And there man getting lit up down trunk and they're hitting the line man and get some some wat samelon on his TV.

Maybe that camed away say hey, that's a good experience right there. That that should feel good, just like that motherfucking point on your lit But you'll be like damn James five, you know James, And I'll take you to a dune shed so you can just look at it. Hey, I'm with it right long as it ain't got no gers and none of that. Other Where can people hit you up at? W's your social media? So my Instagram is at intel, I n t L mada, I'm gonna eat in the end until Madam, and uh my Facebook

is gardone nevs. But it's not on International Madam as well. It's like the social media I don't know, snapchat and not rely on Twitter. Okay, sure on my website of course. What's your website? W w W the International Madam dot com, the International Madam dot com. There you go, right there, she's pimping all over the world, man, and all over the world. Man, y'all go pick up her book. Man, it seems like it's a good read. You know, I'm definitely gonna go pick it up. You know, I'm standing.

You probably learned a few things in there too, for you know what I'm saying for you, uh, for your cardboard niggers who don't like to experience some ship. You know what I'm saying. You know, take it from James. You were saying you might want to experience some ship. You know what I'm saying. So let me ask you this, Um, how can you tell like like like so you said, Donald Trump part like girls just like his daughter, like

like the Deronda Eggs, like college age girls. I mean he said that, remember that he would date his own daughter if he could, he said at an interview. And I can see that because it's the thing I had mostly tall blondes. That's just what most of these guys like in general, you know. Um. And I can see

him like definitely with a girl like that. That's crazy. Man. See, she just got she could look at the motherfucking tell that they just just perfect got to be able to figure a motherfucker out when you you know, when you're in that line of business, you gotta be able to figure a motherfuck out. You know, they taste what they like, what they don't like. You'll be able to pain point a motherfucker when you'ven't been around the block a few times.

I mean, the thing is there. I usually just asked and and my idea actually was that I'm still like working out or finishing it. I want to do like a concierge service where people can just request some freaky stuff. No animals, no children, no rate, you know what I mean. That's like the main thing. But they can request that and I will organize it for them, and it's just very expensive. That was my idea because I can run into Switzerland, which is completely legal with my accounts here.

Um so yeah, I can actually do it all over the world and there's no money exchange, there's just up front payment. Um yeah. And that's something maybe I want to do all part because I have too much going on already and I kind of like lost after the last rock that's told, I kind of lost the interest in it a little bit because the prices dropped a lot and I don't want to take half of three hundred. That's just for me, like it doesn't sound right for me,

you know. So yeah, so different stuff that's just happened. Especially the movie. I'm excited for that, Like that's you know, putting that we have do we have a timeline as far as the movie. The thing is this, I'm right, I'm right now in writing with some amazing writers from Hollywood. Um, so you're gonna see about that the documentary. We're gonna figure it out because a lot of people have an issue with the fact that that I don't look at

prostitution as dirty and bad. I look at it bad when it comes to violence, and you know, if they don't want to work. But it's it's nothing dirty about it, you know because a lot of women, you know strip maybe have sex as well for money, you know who know it said or get married to a rich guy and just for the money. And I just think that whole stigma of like women are bad who are in this line of work shis just like you know, passed

by a little bit. You know what my for last few years, when you get with somebody, you don't know what they did and they paid the only different things them girls know what they did and it was open with it. You don't know what the woman was doing before they make you, so you just you know what I'm saying in the dark. But you know, I mean everybody didn't had a few skeletons at one point, you know, I'm sure. So you know, you gotta go off. What

it is girls to use condoms, There's no way around that. Um, if you maybe have a girl that just goes out to have fun and has uh you know, and I don't even care about that because they wanted to do whatever they want to do, but they just go out have fun, not using protection. Um. And and an autogo makes money and uses protection. I don't know what's worse, you know. So yes, real stuff. Well, it's been really

amazing having you on the show. We gotta do this again because I'm pretty sure we can only scrape the surface exactly. Definitely, and thank you so much for having me. I love your podcast so definitely. I always watch it and I would like to go again whenever you guys want to. Oh, for sure, we definitely cat you know what, We're gonna give you a turnal. No, you are official sex consultant. Yeah, when we got something, when we got

some freaky questions or you or steal or something. Guy want to know about some ship or or your James want to know about some ship. We're gonna call and get I got it. Yeah, I got a old budget questions that That's what I'm talking about. So we'll pick We'll pick them up during during episodes when we run into some like some extra after hours ship and ship. Look what we should do for the next show. We have her with two of her girls and let her girls explain the freaky ship, the kind of ship I

want to know? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, have them take you to have them take you through a scenario ship, yeah, submissive girl, yeah yeah yeah. James, you you gotta set it up for what you want, what kind of ship, and then we're gonna go through it. You're gonna take you through the scenario. I'm writing it down already, and she made me lick my lips. Man, she's talking right, just like like ell and ship. I'm ready to do something.

Get no Um for example, if you have an episode and people like talk about stuff, you have a question, just get me in as a consultant. Um. We're gonna we got you, We got you. We gonna set up a paid service. Now, this service that we're setting up, y'all gonna be paid. We're gonna set up the thing that if you want to ask her a question, you shoot the money through that cash. I gotta come through that chin chin, come through your question, get answered. All right.

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