Ep: 80 Prison Break: Chasing Freedom

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I was cracking. Yeah man, we got one a night man. You know in this episode, man, we got my boy Quante Bosco Addams man. You know he's the only son of one of the original competent crimps, the Compton Crips, and he spent the twenty eight of his last forty five years confined to the sales of juvenile county, state

and federal detention facilities. You know, my man grew up in a single parent household, little income house and all that started selling drugs the age of team driving by age of eleven, dropped out of school of thirteen, and by fifteen was sentenced to serving juvenile life sentence in the California Youth Authority. Got released the nineteen He was soon there after back and prayed prison for another six

years or two months. Got released in September eighteen, two thousand and four, and on January two thousand and four, at the age of three weeks after his baby was born, his only child was born, he was arrested con then since the thirty five years of federal prison for attempting the traffic marijuana. I'm checking this out. My man is facing you know, these thirty five years, and you just

said I'm gonna break up out this motherfucker, right. I started forming an escape plan from the moment I walked in. Every system has a weakness. I was going to cut my way out. We'll do that. Just someone would escape from our facility. Someone's gonna have to get hurt. We're gonna talk about it like, man. So my first question there was, Man, let's go back to the game for me going to all this. Man, I see marijuana and I see thirty five years. What was you doing? How

many pounds did you have? Man? Like, what was you doing for them to give you thirty five years? Really it was my priors that really got me to thirty five years. But because typically if if it want for my prior convictions, you know, I had a prior drug offense and the prior juvenile saw So that right there is what cars and jars enhanced my sentence at thirty five. So if it wan't for that, I probably would end up with something like ten of fifteen or fifteen or

something like that. But even still, yeah, that still a lot of times some weed, man, even still considered irrelevant of the prize. I mean, we're talking about marijuana. We're talking about the motherfucking leaf were talked about playing. Yeah, that ship right there, you're smoking right there, that's legal smell all of them. Ten Freeway when you're driving over here.

Yeah exactly. Yeah, So like like take me back, man, So it seems like you just had a really turbulent childhood, man, because you know, we we cooled your pops and everything, Man shot up to the ony. Yeah, my childhood was different. I mean, probably not too much different than other people come from the same community I come from. But I guess the thing that separated me from most other kids that came from my community was the fact that I

was a little more advanced. So you know, I kind of stepped off the porch a lot sooner than most other kids did. And then, be honest with you, back then in the eighties, that was like comment, you know what I'm saying. You know, from Compton, it was common for us to step off the porch at eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. If you stepped off the porch at sixteen seventeen, he was a late bloomer, you know what

I'm saying. So, but when we put it in contrast to society as a whole, that was a different childhood. But at the same time, it was a childhood that was pretty much given to us because as a kid, we only know what we see. Yeah, so if if we see other juveniles selling drugs and driving cars, then quite naturally we're gonna fall in the same footsteps any something.

Growing up in the neighborhood. I saw Motherfucker's that. I was twelve thirteen seeing Motherfucker's a fucking Nissig trucks and ship the ski racks, Volkswagon buds with the plus and ship here or man, I'm like ship for role model, ship. I need me some great Yeah, everybody that's that's and I think everybody had a Sack back then. It was the money was just like that, especially where he came from, because that's when you had your baby games, that your

turtles and on those Yeah, exactly. Then the people I looked up to Sack Street Springs exactly. Man, Yeah, definitely, half one side of the block was sold up, exactly when you get halfway in that block. It was only credit. You wouldn't coming up that way and that she was purchasing, exactly. And they had a lot of youngsters at the time, you know, like every other neighborhood, but over there they were more advantage because they was really into it. But

it was the correct thing. Marijuana, I'm thinking, yeah, and That's what's really tripped me up because even with his friars, they came from him being a kid pretty much. And it's just like they gave enhancement for some weed. It's not like he was getting got caught with twenty five kilos. How many pounds we did drive fourteen pounds of weed. That's a lot of weeds still turned around. It was like, that's a lot about that bucket. But then at the same time, like I never even got it because it

was like a sting operation. They actually confiscated it down in Texas to the person who was transporting into me. Yeah, uh, brought it to St. Louis where I was supposed to pick it up. What you have just done at the time at the time, so man, tell me you get locked up, man, And so pretty much just me looking at the you know, the re enacting us. Man, you pretty much had made up in your mind from the time you pulled up into that she was getting upon

of that motherfucker. Well, when I first got arrested, that was in my state of mind because at the time I think he kind of made a mistake there. My daughter wasn't born yet. She was conceived two months before two weeks before I was arrested. So I just found that when I was arrested, that I got a child trying to have a child brought into this world. And so that right there is what really like sparked me, you know, because I've been doing time all my life.

But just the fact that, okay, I can be because I was looking at life, I could be sentenced to life for some motherfucking marijuana. I ain't killed nobody. That was one of the factors. Then the other factors that I got a child that's going to come into this world, my only child. So and I always told myself that if I bring the child into this world, I want to be out there to raise it. You know. I don't want to be an absent father and let my child go through the same thing that I went through.

You know what I'm saying, We don't want to repeat that cycle. Somebody got to break the cycle. And you know, I told myself that I'm worth more than that to be repeating the cycle. So it kind of like when reality sat in, it's like it kind of like sucked me up, like this is it, this could be my life. I can go down as a motherfucker who died in prison, who had a child and wasn't there for the child legacy, and that's it. I didn't want that. So you know

what I'm saying. After a couple of months, in a few months, and I said, I'm gonna breakout. And so I actually, uh tried to break out there and uh somebody snitched on me and they placed me in solitary confinement. When I was in solitary confinement, I tried to escape again, got close. Police called me coming out event they happened to be outside smoking cigarettes at the time. So from there they took me to this other prison which was

supposed to be a maximum security. They placed me in a cell twenty four hours a day with a camera in there. I didn't come out for nothing anything. The only thing I came out was for a shower three times a week. He was under watching twenty four hours. Yeah, and uh that's the deal that I actually escaped from. And so while under twenty four hours, serveillans and UM just throw this sak in there. This is teen years before el was escaped. Know, you're the only prisoner to

successfully escape from being monitored around the Clark. Yeah, So it made a big deal. You know, the media ate it up. I'm sure labeled spart. Don't go to a maximum uh secure prison and then just think, Okay, I'm going to get out of here. I mean, you have to think strategically that, like, I mean, your mindset had to be one D to escape from a prison like that. You have to really be sitting back down. I don't

I'm gonna do this now. I'm calculating. Everybody moves. Is when the guards come and watched the video and you pretty much shitt back and paid attention to everything. You didn't jot it down. Everything was in your head. The average brother aren't doing that. Yeah, that's something I picked up along the way. Though. It's like, was at your determination just to get the funk up? That's all of this?

Keep lock me up in here. I'm gonna be contemplating the way to get up exactly because I got a kid on the way and nothing that's gonna stop me from trying to get the funk out of here. Regardless of what monitory, ship or cameras or wherever you try to lock me up. Your whole determination was I gotta get the funkbout of exactly. I gotta get out of here without sacrificing my soul because I still have principles. I could have told and got out, but that I

wasn't going to do that. And it's not so much of the fact that just being labled a snitch, is the fact that I don't do things that I consider wrong. And I consider if men eight get caught up, it's wrong for me, you get away, it's wrong for me to come tell on you what I'm saying that. That's because there's no honor in that. And so I wouldn't do anything that, you know what I'm saying that I would have to live with justice. I didn't want to live with being consider to dad father. I couldn't live

with myself knowing that I put eight in prison. What I'm saying, and not only that, assistant the evil, wicked war on drugs that is designed to put black men in prison. Why the funk would I assist in that? Exactly? Yeah, man, So so let me ask you this man, you locked up like I'm just picturing this. You in the six six ft sale, right, You're in the six ft sale. Man, it's a camera that watching you every move from when you go to sleep, when when you use the bathroom

and everything else. Take us through how you got this done? Man, Like, what did you get the sawt from? You know, because we saw the documentary, of course, But I want to take everybody through this, like walking through the whole plan. Man. Yeah, Like you know, from the first time when I got caught trying to escape the first time and I was placing solitary confinement, that determination was still there. So from that moment I started being calculating on everything I did.

You know, from my weight. You know, I wouldn't eat. You know, I wanted to be slim as possible so that I can squeeze through different things. You know. I didn't read books and none of that ship. I didn't you know, play games. Everything I did was just pretty much observing and trying to figure out how I can beat the system and escape. So it pretty much became habitual to where everything I did was geared towards that. You know what I'm saying. I just sit back and

listen to high police walk. So now I know, okay, that's such and such going to come up to tear you know, from the way he walked his steps. You know what I'm saying, I watched and see how how how long it strides are? You know, And so when I hear him take thirty steps, I can say, okay, it's try his foot. So that means if you take thirty steps, he's thirty feet away. I'm saying that. Just different things like that, and it just became habitual. I

got it too, like a zone. And the thing was just pretty much Geared Choy getting the hell out of jail, breaking out? You know, how how did you break out? Do? Uh? Just like how the documentary said. You know, I had a hacks All blade talking for the people. Well, you know, the people can read that book to Chasing Freedom and and learn a whole lot, you know, pretty much details

about my whole life. But to give him something here, you know, I had a hacks All blade smugger that side of a book and the cover of a book, had it sent to another prisoner. It was a book I knew the prisoner wasn't gonna read because he was in the urban novel. So I was like the only person on that uh grange exactly, So you know, it was intentionally to saying the books to this other prisoner. He didn't know where they came from. He just received books.

And inside that intellectual book was where I had the salt blade, inside concealed the side to cover hart back, and I knew eventually that that book will come to me because don't nobody on the range read these type of books. Pool a little liquor and roll something up, Chronicles,

We'll be right back where you at. This is o g Gangster Granny and against the Chronicles podcast is bad in effect getting ready for some of that g ship and blaze up some wanna merrow you just playing the whole thing else You said this book when you ordered the book, initially you knew it was gonna come back around to you exactly because of w came to you off the rip data. Knew we had to check this

out right exactly. Everything that was coming to me was going straight to the superintendent, and he was on everything, you know, with combing through it finally and thoroughly inspected. It might not even get it because a lot of things I weren't allowed to have any and a hard backed book I went to being able to get that,

so you know what I'm saying. It took me a while to figure out how I was gonna get it, and I figured, okay, that was the avenue right there, and uh I cut a hole in the ceiling behind the camera and was able to squeeze up there and chiselm my way through another little barrier, got up into an attic where the exhaust events and all that the ventilation system was. Uh so, how did you how did you? You just you just figured out that you knew where

these spots was that you was just sucking. I'm just gonna cut decline and see what the next level I get to to a degree, that was it. Because but at the same time, based on when I was in the previous solitary confinement after the first escape, I used to hear like noise, right I live up in the celling. I hear noise like that wasn't coming from solitary confined and wasn't coming from that little maximum security wing. It was traveling from somewhere. So just hearing that noise just like, man,

there's something you know, the ventilation system. So what I started doing is I would just read it as much as I can about like ventilation systems. Like when since I was little, I used to ask myself questions like what what's the purpose of that? So inside this sale we had like the exhaust vents. You got two of them, one that blows there and one that doesn't. I don't know shit about this, but I'm asking myself, what's the

purpose of that? And I just start reading. I would get like, you know, how the newspapers come through and they got the home section, and I would notice that every how's got this vent. So then it's common sense, Okay, event is there that man? Is that okay exhaust, that man that you know for to release carbon oxide and ship like that. So I assume, I, okay, if it's event on this sale, and that event has to be leading to another event that leads outside of this building,

you know what I'm saying. And so I was right about that, you know what I'm saying. So I knew that, you know what I'm saying, at any building there is an exhaust, you know what I'm saying, because if there's not an exhaust, we all would die and hear you know what I'm saying. Now, what would I encounter at

that exhaust? I didn't know. That was just a chance I was willing to take, you know, hopefully that you know I encounter something that I can cut through, kick through or whatever, or even if if I would have got there and couldn't get through it, if I would have had access to the outside to where I could have probably made a fishing line and fish something else and from somebody else. So yeah, I didn't. I didn't

exactly know what was up there. Eight. I just uh was pretty much going off for you know, assumption, you know, calculate, and uh, I would just listen to all of movement that was going on inside the zeil, you know, try to size the buildings up and try to make an estimated what's over here, what's over there, and ship like that, and pretty much I had, Uh my estimation came out to be right, you know, I summed it all up correctly. And so you know this without help, Yeah, without help,

that's determination. Yeah that's not just the termination. That's genius too, because you also thought of your ride too. So let's go into the female. We ain't gotta bring her name up or nothing like that. Yeah, let's let's go into the female. Man that you add your female accomplished man not not accomplished so to speak. So you pretty much have to have you a ride when you got up about it, and she had to be on time to be there waiting, and you could have got cut. Like

you said, people can't you smoking cigarettes before? How did that all come about? Uh? So you said, I knew that I had to get away quickly, that I needed a getaway driver, and I didn't want anybody who was connected to me. What I'm saying because at that time, I like, you know, that was my first time in the fairst and you hit it in the streets, you hit the ruins about when the fairst get you, you know they're watching you, They're watching everybody. They know everything.

Everybody phone tapped, so to be cautious, I kind of assumed that. So I didn't want to like bring anybody that I knew in. And at the same time, I wanted somebody who who couldn't trick leave a trail back to where I would be or who who I was or whatever. So, uh, it was a guy in the cell next to me. First what I did is I jimmy rigged the phone inside myself because at that place we couldn't come out. So they in the walls they had like these little phones, it's like speaker phones, and uh,

we would make calls on them. You know, we would get like a little calling card, prepaid calling card, and you know, well the prison, you know, you might pay ten dollars and they give you twenty minutes of phone time or whatever. Yeah, you know, we would talk on them. But it wasn't a receiver. It was just all speaking. So I broke into the phone, rigged it to where all my calls was going through the prison's direct line, so I was making outside calls sent. Yeah, they used

to call him mcgiving man. So let's just get this straight audience. This man Jimmy rigged the phone inside the jail cell which people are making free phone calls. It was free. Everything is free. So he was making free phone calls in the shopping up and you make the you make the baby girl. Yeah, it was a dude

in the cell next to me. It's like because you can hear, like per sitting the cell next to me can hear my conversations because they speaker phones and in this part of the wall is hollow, so you just in your cell, I can't hear what you're talking about on the phone. So this guy, he knew I was, you know, getting free calls. Because I was constantly called. I would just call all days, just be calling, right, and uh so I used to make calls for him.

I would like call his girl or his people, and he would be at his phone and he would like scream through because you can still hear it, like what I'm saying. So anyway, it was a girl that he had met in the classifies whatever, and he gave me the number. So at the time, I wasn't really into none of that right there. My whole thing was just breaking out, escape and I want in the past and

no time with no broads and nothing. I won't even write my own people, you know what I'm saying That I wasn't leaving no trail, no contacts, and none of that. So but click to me, like where is she from? She around here? Okay, that might be a potential ride, you know, and somebody that's not connected to me, you know. So I took the NUMBERNA started talking to her, got close with her, and uh she picked me up from

the prison when I broke out. The plan was to ask somebody else come pick me up and take me to Chicago. Why she was supposed to be going out shopping to bring the phone and other different clothes from me. But it didn't happen that way. Leave her right there so she don't know wherehing exactly and kill that. So this your father, they can go exactly right there and let me go back to something this or the subject because this always interested me. Man. So it was a

woman to classified just looking for dudes in the prison. Yeah. I don't know if she was just looking for dudes in prison, but she was looking for dudes. I guess, you know, she probably was going through something in her life, and you know, I needed some time women that yeah ship, Yeah, I know, I got a brother that brother in law has locked up and get all kind of letters to the house women and all this stuff that he called

them my wife, you know, the biggest. So so so let me ask you this man, So this woman pretty much feell in love with you. I obviously was feeling lonely and I just wanted someone to take care of I've dated pretty much every race there is a black man, and I just wanted to see, if you know, if they were different than you know, the white the Caucasian man, the Asian man, the Indian man, and the Puerto Rican man that I dated. Yeah, I guess how she was falling.

She was falling head over yes from me. When you when you got to when you got to manipulate the scene, man, that's what you gotta do. I mean, fuck, it ain't meant to motherfucking you know, hurt nobody or whatever. But ship, it's just a part of the plan. Yeah. And then but even still addressing that at the same time, be honest with you. Sometimes when you in that selling, you start connecting with people like that, you start growing feeling

as yourself. And it's not even a physical thing no more, you know, as far as because you might not even have to see a person, but just the fact that a man and a woman would kind of like meant to be so just to act you communication and you know, to be able to bond with one another just through words exactly, you know. And sometimes you will find yourself like that, Okay, I'm feeling this person, and I'm gonna be keeping one hunted before I saw. That's how you know.

I'm saying I was feeling something I saw. I ain't on this lady like that. How long have you been how long have you been locked up at that time? I've been locked up a little over to like two and a half year, So you knocked it down. I'm pretty sure when you when you had no time, I didn't and that that was and that was saying no, because to be honest with you, I'm gonna keep it realist.

Like my thing. I once, once she had done what she did for me, I was more so now concerned, Okay, let me get away and let me cover her tracks.

So I knew that okay, with her then missing, if she would have just stayed there with me and she had appointments and work in different places to be somebody could have reported her missing or she could have been missing, and then at the same time, it could have somehow linked her back to where because she stopped and got some gas across the street from the jail, and so I knew that eventually that could trace her back to Ben there at the jail at that time, you know.

So basically I'm just trying to come up with ways to cover her tracks and prevent her from getting in any trouble. So I pretty much instead of she wanted to stay there with me, but I'm like, I think the best thing for you, for me personally, that would have been the best thing. I should have kept it right there in the room until my ride came and then just disappeared. But then soft, you can say, being more concerned about not wanting to get her in trouble

based on how far she had went. I wanted to help her cover her track. So my thing was like, continue to stick to your normal schedule. Don't change nothing up because if you change something, that makes it make you look suspicious. She had a doctor appointment, Go to your doctor point and go do all that stuff that she had schedule to do. So that you want to become missing and people want to assume that, Okay, you

might be involved in it, you know. And what happened is she actually went home sooner than she was supposed to, and they was over there sitting there waiting for They picked him up and they took him to the McDonald's and St. Louis. You got to lot, tell me the truth, to tell you where is he? Where is Pine? He can't do so they was over there waiting for us. So how long had you actually been free? I think I've been free like ten hours something like that. Man,

you wanted out no time. Theory became and got your ways, So let me ask you, this man, how was it? When did you know that? When did you know that the gig was up? Did they kick the doors in? Did you get them coming coming to get you? I looked out the window and saw a dude with police written across his windbreaker in the back look and in the trash can, and that's when I kind of knew. So I went to the front door and was trying to step out, and I just heard a bunch of footsteps.

You know, you hear like a bunch of noise. It's some common noise, so you know that it's more than more people around and it normally supposed to be you know what I'm saying. So that's when I knew, like, Okay, they're out there for me, just from the noise I'm hearing all the commotion and footsteps or whatever, you know I'm saying. So, and it was it was around a time like that. You weren't normally here. You know, there's many footsteps, you know, just walking around. So I'm like, okay,

they must be out there coming and get me. And for the record, she dimes you out right, yeah yeah yeah. When he called her, yeah, yeah, you know, they roughed me up, put the gun to my head. You know, they celebrated high five. You know what I'm saying. But I knew they had to change you. Yeah, they wanted to know how. You know, they were a little fascinated. They got to talk about movies and books and all this type of ship like you know, it's just joking,

but they were. They were fascinated by Yeah, I'm sure they was curious. Yeah, so now we're gonna aftermath because they know you wouldn't escape artists, they really know what happened once you get back? Man, did they transfer you somewhere else? They took me to federal Supermax. And this was super max where once you get convicted, then you this is what John got in. All that was locked that supermax. So I was pre tried. I hadn't even been to trial yet. But the judge, they went to

my judge. They put me in the car and took me straight to the court building. Went in front of my judge and say, look, we can't we can't keep them in no the chansion facilities. We gotta give us permission to put him in the federal supermax with all of the convicted people. And the judge signed off on it. They took me to Supermax and and I was in super Max and when it's time for my court to come, they had come get me a bunch of cars, put me in in dried me to court, and take me

back to the super Max. Now this is the this is the ladies and gentlemen. Right. That really tripped me out. So you get you get your citizens right now and everything right, Yeah, I got sens. It's like, uh, four years two years after I escaped, close to two years something like that. Now, what happened because you beat him again,

Let's go through the details of that. Because you beat them once more, but you beat them to me, which is a much better way because if you would escaped before and been successful, you'd have been pretty much onna run your whole life the ridsk of your life. What happened was they sentenced me to thirty five years. Uh. And that was because of the marijuana, because of the marijuanas, just for the marijuana. Thirty five years just from marijuana. Uh,

but chop of that. Donna give you thirty package. You didn't you didn't escape from well, I got five years five five five fall and escape, But they running together, and they gave me a thirty five just for the marijuana. Oh so he was about to do about sixty years now now because they had to rent it concurring. So

but yeah, the thirty five is just for the marijuana. Uh. But in two thousand and twenty or two thousand and the and the two thousand and nineteen really in two thousand and eighteen is when you know, I've seen it. And beginning in two thousand nineteen started saying like a little there was a conflict in the law. And you know, whenever there is a conflict or disagreement in the law where the language doesn't match, it's up to the judges to interpret it. That's what judges are for. Judges hold

job is to interpret law. They're supposed to be the referee and between the prosecutor and the defendants and uh and also the sentences too. But so there's with some conflict in the law which is called compassion and release statute, and where uh, the sentence and commission are the ones who are supposed to determine what amounts to extraordinary compelling

reasons to release a person on compassion release. But the language conflicted with something that was changed during the first step back, so pretty much I saw like you'd have to be like understand the law to really understand it. But there was a conflict in the law right there. And my position was that, okay, since there's a conflict in this law right here, since one thing says one and another part says another, thing, gets up to the

just to interpret what it actually means. And the thing that was conflicting it was whether who can determine because there's a when when? What was it eighty four when they sent eight four eighty four when Reagan signed in the sentence and reformat and they took away parole. So when they took away parole, they also put in a section called a compassionate release. Section was said that the Brew of Prisons can ask the courts to release a

prisoner or reduce his sentence for extraordinary compelling reasons. Because without that, that means that anybody with a life sentence for thirty years or whatever, you're just being there for that and can never get out, even if you're dying. So the Brew of Prisons was never actually acting courts to release prisoners under this statue. Every year you might get twelve people at the most who the Brew of prisons would actually ask the court to let out for

a compassionate release, and all of them were dying. Most of them died like days after they were released. So in two thousand and eighteen they kind of amended that statue said that okay, if the brew of prisons refused to fole e motion for compassion release for the prisoner, the prisoner himself can go straight to the judge and asked the judge to grant him compassionate release. But now

there was a barrier. Another conflict is because when Congress implemented this law or passed this bill in they said that the brewer the sentence and commission determines what is extraordinary compelling reasons. So that means that the sentence of commission would identify criterias under which the judge can actually

let too out for compassion release. And they put four criterias in there, and one of them that you had to be over seventy five or sixty five or something like that, and you then there are two thirds of your time and you in poor health and can't take care of yourself. The second one was that she was dying. You had some type of terminal illness which you would

likely die from. The third one was that you was the parent of a minor, and the other parents happened to die, and so it was important that imparative that you'd be out there to take care of that child. The other one was what they said was other reasons as determined by the Federal Bird of Prisons. So that means that the Federal Birth of Prisons can grant offer

compassion at least for any other reason that they determined. Right, But we know that the Federal Brew of Prisons are not gonna request I had nobody put out because their job is to keep people in prison, you know what I'm saying. And so based on the fact that the law had just changed, the two thousand and eighteen saying that even if the Brew of Prisons doesn't do it, the defender can then go asked the court on his own.

So you see there as a conflict there. So if I can ask the court on my own, why does the Brew of Prisons have to be the one to determine the other reasons? If I can go to the court now, then the court should be able to determine other reasons, you know. But now according to the the law from the sentence and commission, the judge, the courts can do it. But now when you look at the new law that was amended, it say that I can go to the courts. So then it's contradicting there, it's conflicted.

And so now fortunately my judge had retired, and now I just had a new judge, Amy, I mean Nascy J. Rosen Steingel, who was a pointed by Obama, and she was a sweetheart. She was good judge, compassionate judge. So I said, okay, I'm a fireless motion to her saying that she has the authority to determine what is extraordinary compelling reasons exactly because it that sentence and commission policy contradicts with the amended statue. And so I put everything together.

You know, I got a lot of letters of support. At the time I had been released from solitary confining, like four years, five years and like that four and a half almost five years, about four and a half years I had been released, and I was doing good job. I was pretty much ran the prison that president. I pretty much ran it. You know, taught classes, you know, killed beefs, I save people lives, I did all types of stuff and after Tom get citizen in there. Yeah,

that was my prison. If you call the prison now, they I ran that prison. I was police. Everybody called me bosco. I did what the funk I wanted to do in that prison because of my approach. You know, any type of incidents. You know what I'm saying. I made show that dudes was functioning accordingly. You know, why don't hear you didn't try to break out again? Uh if they would have denied this, if that would yeah, probably,

so you know what I'm saying. And to be honest with you too, I just started saying how they was changing the laws with marijuana. So it's like every year I was holding onto the fact. Okay, maybe the fast gonna decriminalize it, then I'll be able to present something then it and get up out of there that way. But this last thing I put together, you know, it worked out for him. The judge granted it, granted me and me to really you know, she ordered them and let me write a pot of there. They came and

kicked me right upot it. That put me on the plane flew me to l a X. Was three months ago. Wow, man, Now when they come to the fast man, it'd be a lot of haterism going on. It'd be a lot of haterism going on. Did you have anybody to give resistance to this thing he was trying to do? Nah? And that's crazy because we always tell ourselves, Man, sh it ain't gonna work. We can't do that. Niggas can't get together, can't do that. That ain't the results I got.

You'd be surprised how much if you got the right people, just go and approach people and bring people together. How many people really want that? You know what I'm saying. You're gonna have a few who whom few haters who don't want it, But them the ones you crush them and get them out the way. You know. But overall we all want the same thing, But you can't say

we don't. So if we all can find that common ground and say, look, this is what we offer to get at the end of the day, it's gonna make our time comfortable, it's gonna make our lives comforble, some of us might be able to get out of prison. That's what we want. You know what I'm saying as a whole. But the thing that I found and just from experiencing what I noticed, a lot of people just

got fear. A lot of people just don't want to take the chance on putting that on the table because they don't want to be perceived a certain way, or they don't want to deal with the with the smoke when they come to that. They don't they don't want to stand up to the resistance, you know what I'm saying, or something exactly. But sometimes you got to be riding to stand up to that resistance. You got to find like, Okay, what the funk am I gonna do? Because I'm in prison,

I'm saying that was my thing. I'm in there, that's my home, you know what I'm saying. So I was gonna do things the way that I wanted to, and I didn't give a funk about how nobody else thought about it. And I was prepared to deal with any resistance that came with it because I knew that what I was standing on was right, and I don't I've been telling myself, you know, if I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die for us, right, you know what I'm saying, Because I could have died in the motherfucking cell just

from old age. But now if I'm a dom a die is standing on something that's right. And so that's the mentality that I had, you know, but I did it with a smile, not with a frown. So just three day you're just coming home pretty much. Yeah, man, that's amazing man, because you pretty much beat the city. You pretty much beat him twice twice, you broke up one time, didn't You've used the mind and made it happen. Man.

You show them something that they said, we don't have the inte the smartest to do some ship like you never knowledge to break out of it a federal prison and then to use the system to get out of prison. If that wouldn't have worked out, it went back to you, man, just when we just go yeah under basically turn you turn that intellect. You know what I'm saying That Street smarts in the intellect by letting the motherfucker knowing about knowing them laws and ship against him and ship. Yeah,

And that's that's what it's all about. Us about learning the system and learn how to use it to make it work for us. You know, sure it is stacked against us, but instead of us sitting head complaining about it. We need to find out how it operates, because every system has a hole that we can squeeze through, you know what I'm saying. And if we if we figure it out and learn the system, then we'll be able to make it work for us, even if it's stacked

against us, you know what I'm saying. That's just like how how life is nothing. This is your first time when you first when you're just coming home, the first time seeing your child. Well, I saw through visits, but this is my first time really exactly that that had to feel good. Yeah, yeah, we rolled dogs now, you know, she's sixteen. Now, we we do a lot together now and we got a lot of catching up to tell

me about a whole lot. That's a beautiful thing. I just want to go back to something because this is something I've never heard when new when you was in shooting. Now, you got the juvenile life sentence. Yeah, you know they juvenile courts that sentence you to life too. But the thing about it is that at the time, the life sentence in the California Youth Authority was until you turn twenty five. So when you turn twenty five, you pretty much discharged. Man, it seems like they got a million

in one way is to fund us over. Don't even got a million when we need to keep yours, especially when it's becoming big business and motherfucker's wrapping money off of the ship. We wanna keep your ass in prison. Well, you know we talked about this before, and this is something you can elaborate on. I got people that's locked up like we all do, right, Um, just within the commisary. The amount of money that they charge for little things

on outside there maybe five dollars. Our here is totally different. Now, yeah, it's just crazy, man. When when I went to prison and six, it was totally different. The phone you didn't you called Collette. They don't have these pre these cards now prepared cards where like you said, you talked ten minutes for ten dollars or twenty millions. Um, they figured out a way like the county jail and the count of jail top Roman was. Now there's a dollar dollar

fifty probably you know what I'm saying. And the prison runs that. Now that's all all that money comes to them. Uh Sherman. Black daughter runs the compensary now, so she getting and they're making millions. That seems like it would be a conflict of entrance. How can you have your family lead for the ship and then you want the bed, then that sitting in that seat. You're gonna make sure when your people come walking in through that door and they get that bed in, that's track going right there.

You feel me, because you're can go get ten noodles at the store for a dollar, got damn right, so they charged them. They're gonna make them ten noodles. Yeah, so it's totally different. Now, it's totally different that they monetize everything. Being fuckers, they've always found a way to try to put the extra twist on some ship, especially if they can do it, and even that it makes you have always found a way to make something work, Like when they took the cigarettes and you couldn't have

a light of the matches. Motherfucker's found a way to get inside that box and strike the uh the wife behind the TV or something to light a cigarette. So to have a brain like like yours and to just dig way outside the box like nobody else. It's kind of weird to sit here and hear somebody shading, oh yeah,

I broke out many times. This is this ain't lost for greenus where you get you know what I'm saying, Nigger just lit through the ceiling in a prison and kind of you gotta know some ship doing that, because there ain't no telling. You couldn't hit a wire anything else and got fried up in that. Motherfucker said, It's just that, that's the intuition of listening and listening to sounds and footsteps and knowing the motherfuckert thirty feet away and listening to air ducks and bench turning. I mean,

that's that's a that's an intellect right there. Have you ever had your i Q tested before? Nah? As anybody ever told you like that you play a genius, because that's probably why you got in trouble so much when you was little man, because usually people that are very intelligent. Man shady stepped up, Yeah, and was figuring out some ship too. Yeah, you just figured it out too soon, man like. So that's the past. Man, what's going on now?

Like y'all said that prison is, uh, they're capitalizing on us. I'm trying to capitalize on them now, you know. So what I'm here, really, I'm trying to make a difference. I want to try to help change the system as much as I can so that people don't have to go through the things that I went through, you know.

And uh, at the same time, trying to pretty much put prisoners and put people from where we come from in position and where we can make our lives better and you know, make a living from from the system. You know exactly. You've got an organization and something you're trying to put together to help. Yeah, I'm putting together

Chasing Freedom Foundation and things. What is it My do is bringing together a bunch of pair of legals, different lawyers who want to assist and help and people and you know, try to get some of the people who in prison that don't belong to be in there, trying to get them people out. Then another thing is trying to prevent people from me even going there, from even

getting the prison. And a lot of times we want to start early because who's to say that if somebody came, you know, people say that I'm smart now and the genius now. So suppose when I was five, six, seven eight, instead of crips, you know, picking me up and taking me through the streets with them, suppose somebody else came and got me and took me down a whole another road and showed me something else in life. I probably wouldn't be here today. It's definitely went to went to

prison and went through all of that. You know, I could have used my smarts and genius doing something else instead of wasting all the years I wasted in prison. So the things like, I think it's important that we reach out to people while they're young, before they even get in the system and try to show them something different, you know, and give them an opportunity to do something different.

And you know, you hear all the time people say, well, you know, everybody is an equal opportunity, and that's not the truth. You know, it's not. It's not a level playing field, you know. And so you know, this guy over here has both parents and had a nice home. They got the college tuitions paid for, you know, they got good health care. You know what I'm saying. They go down to these good schools to where they learned

how to do all these different things. That person is way more advanced and has way more opportunity than some young kid in comptent who doesn't have anything like that, you know what I'm saying. So he the young kid in competent can't be as good as them people because he doesn't have the opportunity, he doesn't have the tools,

he doesn't have the resources. And so I think it's it's what our jobs to do, is if we can, if we can just somehow give them people some type of resources and at the same time show them that there's something else to life than what we've been exposed to.

And then and then you know, not to not to say that um as adolescents, that kids can't find a different path, but you know, I always say that it's a product of the environment and not that kids from cities like where we come from, like Compton can't be successful in you know, becoming, you know, because we've got people like myself who made it out yourself, who made it out you know, Venus Arena and all these football

stars and other rap stars. So but it is, like I said, I grew up in a single family home. So it just made it that harder hard I had to go through a couple of pitfalls before being the light, so to speak. So not to say that kids can't follow in different pathways, but it just makes it that harder when you're coming from one of the environments like we come from. Yeah. And then what makes it harder too, is that sometimes we don't see it. Sometimes it was

hard for me to see. Yeah. Well, actually it's it's just like a niedle in a haystack. You know. Out of three d homies, three of them make it, you know, they make their way out. But everybody else, the homies is going to prison, starting from lost Madrinas or whatever Jumna homes and then all the way to prison. Some make it to the fens, you know what I'm saying. But I think, just like yourself, you had enough time to sit in there and like man, figure some ship out,

and then that didn't work. You found another way to figure the ship out. A lot of us don't do that. And that's what we We got options, and that's you're showing us. We got options that even we either just wear that way, you know what I'm saying, But you got it done. Yeah. And and that's the thing that

I think I want to show people. I want to show people that even though we failed, and even though we find ourselves in terrible situations, and even though we might find ourselves in prison with a life sentence, that is still a chance that we can come out of it. We just gotta work a lot harder than anybody else. We're gonna have to persevere. But there's still a way out of that ship, definitely, you know what I'm saying. We just got to sit down and find that motherfucking way,

you know. And so even even you know, even though life is harder, we have bad experiences, we can't give up, you know, definitely, but that's what we need, you know, brothers like yourself who trying to initiate uh situations for the youth and then a different path so to speak. And I think of more, you know, brothers like yourself who initiate that uh and give kids a different outlook of of what they see in the streets is what we mean, feel me. So that's always a good thing.

When you can learn from your mistakes as a youth, you can give back and teach to you something differently, something to offer. Like I said, we didn't have too many UH role models so to speak, you know, to look up to. You know, as as far as I know, when I came of age, it was the homies in

the neighbortood. That's the model, uh, you know, as a kid, you know, football, you know, the fireman policeman type of ship as a kid, and ship by time you hit eleven twelve, you see motherfucker's hitting the corners on datings and ship hitting switches with with all the with all the females, and you know, the money and all the

outfits and the female suits and all that ship. It starts being intriguing, especially when you coming from that single family home because my mom's working all day and my sister fucking with the homies. You know, that's they gang banging and representing. Said, that's my choices. You feel my choice is to fun. I'm gonna start serving or I'm

gonna start gang banging. Wanted the two and fun. It might be both of them, you know, as if I had a different choice, Like you said, growing up in Serrito's Lakewood or suburban area, so to speak, you give me our choices were limited. Yeah, that's this and that's it.

They're limited. But so it's I think it's up to us to just try to give as many opportunities as we can and try to redefine what it means to be a gangster, because you know, I'm saying, it's like we think that it's all about self destruction, you know, and suicidal missions and ships and destroying ourselves and our communities.

That's what it has come to today. So I think that's it needs to be redefined, you know, to where you know, we got to be more productive and have a little more unity and you know, and I think that that your message, we'll go a lot further than the majority of others because now they got something to look at. Okay, I don't have to do this. I don't have to be like that. I don't want to go through what Bosco went through. You know what I'm saying, And that's what we want to help push. You know

what I'm saying. That's the page I'm definitely on. If they can help five kids. Yeah, And that's the thing. Sometimes you're not gonna get everybody, but if you get one, that makes a difference. If I can get one, you can get one here and get one. He can get one. That makes it difference. And now we got for others who can get some more. Definitely let me ask you this. I saw something really interesting in your website. You have

a book publishing company too. Yeah. Yeah, I started on publishing company called jail House publishing and the idea behind that is to try to help prisoners get their stories out. You know that's a great idea. Man. Do you have a contact for you guys and may be locked up or something. Some of those guys may have incredible I know it's some incredible writers that's locked up to Yeah, and that's that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for

incredible writers. Anybody who can write, whether it's poetry, palms, whether you essays or memoir, uh, you know, novels or whatever it is. You know, they can get at me at my site it's called jail House Publishing dot com. Well, they can't reach me on Instagram, at Quante bosco or Chasing c H A S I N, Underscore, Freedom f R E E, d U M or either Quante Bosco Adams dot com. You know, it's several ways to reach me. I'm out there. If you just google quante, q U A W and t A Y, you know, you'll find

all my contacts right there. And you have you got some big stuff going on? Can you talk about that? Now? I can talk about it. I can talk about this incredible story. They're actually making a movie. Yeah, yeah, So in two thousand and ten, when I was locked in solitary with two thousand and nine, some people from the UK contacted me about making a documentary about the time

I broke out of prison. So they made the documentary, which is the documentary that y'all seen, and they released it in two thousand and ten, and they aired it all over the world. And so I will start receiving letters from people from all over the world, and like, you know what I'm saying, We want to know more about your story. You know how a kid who dropped out the eighth grade thirteen years old from the streets and captain how were able to pull off this escape?

So I wrote a book. The book is called Chasing Freedom c h A S I N Freedom f R e E d U M. And I call a freedom because a lot of d u M. Because we chased freedom the wrong way. Sometimes it's really in mind state, you know. So I ended up publishing the book self published it two thousand, seventeen eighteen something like that. Uh, producers in Hollywood came across it hops and then we set to start Faminist month Emotion family about it. Okay,

that's gonna be a good thing. Yeah, definitely, because I think when I talked to you and I was telling you about Sylvesterster Long did a movie and I thought that this is crazy. Was this based off of your story? When I've seen him. Actually, he was paid to go into different prisons to break out of jail, and the last prison he went to went bad, so he had to figure out how did he get out and would have but he was on the motherfucking ship line with a whole lot of I mean, in the middle of

the motherfucking ocean. This just Federal prison was in the middle of the ocean. So anyway, when I heard Joe's story, I figured that it had to piggy back up what you what you lived and and maybe somebody ran a cross came. Yeah, I heard that too. When it actually came out, somebody told me, like, man, you gotta see this movie because you know, the things that that he's doing in this movie is identical to the same thing

that I did. So you know, who knows a person who actually wrote the screenplay, wrote the script, probably saw the documentary and incorporated some of my things into that movie. Yeah, that happens. That happens a whole lot. Man. Well, man, we really appreciate having you. Won't here, man, I think this is a very like this is not something that we hear about every day documentary exactly. It's very well informative. People. So you can just put my put my publishing company

all that song there. People, go to jail House Publishing dot com dot you can see my documentary, my books, see all that stuff on that. Yeah. And when we have that, we have a link to that in our description, our show description for the Night Man. And that's another episode against the Chronicles. Man, we thank you all for tuning in. Man, make sure you go to my man site see it again, jail House Publishing dot com. Or you can go to uh Chasing Freedom dot com. C H A, S I, N F R E E d

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