EP:78 Genesis: "The Birth of Bangin"

James and Big Stairs strictly from the streets. Hello, we'd like to welcome I. We want to another episode of the Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Make sure you download that I heard that. Search for Gainst Chronicles podcast on my iPhone. Users to go to Apple podcast search for the Gamester Chronicles, subscribe, leave a comment nfive star rating. Tonight, we have some very special individuals in the house. And first let me

introduce my co host pick J. GMC. It's a it's a lot to say about these two fellers here, and and it's about time that we had a show like this because not only me, not only eight cats that has been on the streets and unaware of the information that they're about to share with us. A lot of us, brothers need to hear this because a lot of us

has been misled. Uh. I had the privilege of knowing this man right here and and seeing his get down and understanding my position in my place to be where I was at, And I just want everybody to listen and understand where these two men are coming from. It's totally different from what we heard. UM. We we're about to see. We're about to see. I think this is gonna be the one well man, you know, I know they've got a long history. Man, take year, take me

take a seven seventy one. All right, Melvin Farmer and my companion and running made uh I Tolder Marvin Uh. We represent credible messengers around the globe because it's out of New York where we worked with UH Mayor Bowes UH in New York where created but we're the first representatives from Compton in Los Angeles to where we deal with redefining the community. So the Nights Show it's gonna take place in the year and it's it's I'm glad you said the year nine seventy one, because that's where

we're gonna start. But if you're gonna see at the end of this show, that's where I parted. So you're gonna give us a tale of the real wood and so to speak, we're gonna take you back in history where we ain't telling your stories we've heard. We're telling your men that have done all My friends had either thirty arrests by seventeen or convicted over homicide, had been in jail over thirty times, and usually all three of

them had occurred. So we're going back to our era to where uh, you're fitter here our witness testimony, because we got to give all things to God, uh by faith, because a lot of times, the only thing stronger than a man's pride, it's a mother's love. So we have to drop our pride and we're here to address something that could affect the nation where we feel the use of today there's no color lines, no cuts where we feel that's a unit that the juvenile justice system must

be addressed. When we're talking about black issues and equality and justice in America. I don't believe where you can march where your feet bleed as a post to when we're in jail. We know that you can say all you want, but if you can't put someone on that paper, no changes occurred, you're not coming home. So we're going to the papers where we feel three areas side dress

and with coalition of a credible methods. But I'm also with the organization side of Queen New York called Cold Black Coalition and one of the members's Pat Robinson, executive director of the colon Kapernet. Uh, you know your rights camp. I work with her on this. We have a cold host and do a project called I Think Twice. So when whatever we say, we want you to think twice. It's always two sides to a pancake. So we want

to be fair. But now we're gonna take you back in the time to where we're gonna try to put some eye drop in your ear. So we need to come out of everything. She will be eclipsed so clear, because we're gonna vote by facts not artifacts. That was standing this is now. So let's get the show started. Mark, Uh, when you started off? And what's going to the criminal

justice system? So as we're fit to address the juvenile fitness here and where we believe that these kids are being violated behind committing the crime at fifteen, and then because the clock don't stop that the punishment turned to adult sentence. When they couldn't vote, they couldn't go out and drink, and they couldn't get drivers license. So why wouldn't you go and take something that happened there and

see what I'm saying. Okay, well, well let's take you back a little bit and tell us how as young adolescents so to speak, was the was the scene back in seventy one? Now, how you gentlemen, you know we conducted ourselves where we was, from where he was from,

how you got started? What was the move behind? You know the fourmator of where we established now the formation and the crystallization of the cryption bloods as they know on today in the nutshell nineteen seventy one, that's when West east Side and comment what's then there was no sense was no colors Uh took in them? Was he was in fact of Brookings because Donald Archie sweep Back

introduced him. So during that time they all had I would look at their demeanors, their characters, their styles and their grace. That's what I got from Tookie because don't forget it, from fourteen their delts, that's why the year starts at So now they never had They might have had swabbers, but usually when I seen Buddha got killed, I was there and watched them whisper. Uh. They had another one Bob got killed. That was one of them.

So when a murder happened in them days, it usually was a personal dispute that was handling eternally as opposed to somebody coming. And then now the next group come because of the balloon murder that really took all the West Side from horse Man out because the juveniles that were involved got out of state, release everybody else with the president, and that's when you came with. Uh, the

West Side where lasted from seventy one. Now the east the juveniles that take over because when the murder happened, another murder happened. And I hate to go back into this because when I speak, it's gonna rope in wounds for both sides, victim and suspect. So we're gonna go with the name named d G. And I can say this because this is a fact. No, we're gonna go to Valerie Brisco Hooks and what we could get away with in seventy one all the way to seventy five.

That way, it won't be where we're talking where somebody can go and play I hate and say you tell them secrets. So this public knowledge and over speech. Yeah no, but they don't know what snitching is. That's when you go do let's get it going. So now we're gonna go back to Valerie brisco Hooks and by condolences to you and her condolences to the young man that got

explained one year to the day later. Valerie brisco Hooks, if you look at her Violet biography, she said she was inspired by her brother's death where he got shot during training and it was gunned fire between youths shooting at at Lock High. But he also say when running the brothers talked about it that he said it seemed like it what's common occurrences. That's what the newspaper said. Now that's probably if she fourteen, it's in seventy three,

seventy four. So anyway to suspect go and tell his mommy he did it, and tall basically I think I killed somebody. She take him to juvenile hall and she tell them and they should have been went to court, he said in court it a year and they say we have no law to try him, and they let him go. Then one year later when he got out the same day got out. This our karma go. He

got killed. What it was waiting on him? Now. The more thing to make it official with me is the fact that I know the victim name and very he's never been mentioned because he had juven now he only couldn't know if he was there. Howard Morrison was in the ninth grade and he called him them and uh,

he got killed. My boy got killed when he was fourteen because when I walked over there the same after he got out when I got there, which did so I don't like talking too much about that ever, but those are one of the things that could come where your behavior to where they said because of the public safety, we have to judge when does rehabilitation stock because by the end we don't add forty of us. There was nothing we can do. Carjacking site out, Uh tattoos wasn't

even thought about violence. Uh let me see what else you can get away that extortion when we took cars and I learned from Odi and everybody know Odie got killed, So we'll go to Odie this time. Mster you my brotherton he got killed. Oldie started block with Melvin Hardy, who started block. You got ugi united underground on the West Side because that's where I'm from. But I can cover the rest, but I'm gonna keep it where these are facts in my life. It went from the West Side.

When that started was Michael Kristen, Barefoot, Poopy O'Neill, brown, baby face, our Tony stage is a gang of us. But we formed the West Side. Then that didn't last too long because that era after the seventy two that's when the gang and the change where we could kill

or where you can pull the trigger. Because by the time I was twenty one, I'm on a lot to this day where if I ever be seen with a gun or get caught at one, I'm up on the trigger lot and that only you can get And anybody knows this to my homeboy wood Rat, and you always hear me say rest in peace. So this is a lesson just could save your life, my boy, uh a

wood Rat. He got twenty years. Compton did twenty years for right when he was getting ready to go home from Falsom after the war, they come and say, hey man, even though you beat the case, we got you because we signed the paper together. And that's when I didn't even know about it, but I learned from him never get caught with a gun again because he did twenty years where beat the case and the fist said, don't matter, you've been using guns. So we always getting shut out.

So it was basically the wild wild West during that era. But it was unity. There was no Uh. It was strictly a blood versus a crypt if they was called it. On our side of the town, you had five nine brims, uh, the Vands boys, Donald Ray Fat Butchee uh, Gerald McMillan, they need to let him out, Swede Carnie rest In Tiece Uh. Then you had the Woods family Douglas Green since nineteen seventy two. That's forty eight years ago, y'all talking about forty eight hours, big difference. So the atmosphere,

we could do what we wanted to do. Then in seventy they caught up to it and they started noticing we can't be a relevator. Tatum rehabilitate them, and that's when we went to the Supreme Court to where that we're gonna have to start charging them between the ages of sixteen and seventeen to where they will be tried as an adult. So from seventy five to this day, anybody that would commend criminal acts where they committed murdency, they didn't say anymore. They say, because of these youths,

they're getting away with murder. And they said, that's why you got violence offenses. And then as the fifty years went on, when we were getting sighted out for taking card, y'all get card, jack and jack. See how later on they come back and they just changed a lot where they increased the penalty. But the same thing happened. So when we were doing it, we were getting traffic tickets

where my mama was my bill's bonsman. We didn't have to worry about it because we were awards or the court, and they were really treating juveniles, which we should go back to to where they are being uh reabilitated and given a chance. But also that depends on these behavior. They can't go and ask for UH to get their freedom, and you're acting like an animal that gainst them an excuse, So why don't we fall back and we're gonna help

you simple as that. So that's when I remember something like that because some of the O G homies was kicking it with the little homies. The little homies will take the crime because they wouldn't kids stand, couldn't get they get it. Yeah. So yeah, because we had a lot of homies go to jail behind that. Oh no, and he's just gonna take it because he's gonna go to juvenile hole and get our opposed to me being five,

I'm going And that's why they failed back. But I don't want to I want more to say a little bit about you know, how you got as as as a youth, you know, and how you got started representing and where he was from me from Compton and whatever. So give us a little background on well as as melfl and go. We go prior to seventy one, and prior to seventy one, it was the criminal justice system in dealer with youth was on rehabilitation. So you know,

I keep talking about getting arrested forty times. I was born on Elm Street. I'm from Nightmail on Elm Street, Compton, California. Well, I mean and at that time our sets was, uh, we were all tree tops because all our streets are named after trees, and your side was all the swamps before that. Now that's that's crazy because tree Top is

now across. Tell you how they got there. So the your neighborhood was all swamps from Compton Boulevard back to a Landra from a Landra over where Nutty Block is now. It was called Bootheill because it was by the graveyard. Occasian Block was called spook Time and Spooptown now was across the track. So now we go over to before fruit Time was fruit Time. There was the Bliss Boys. You did what I'm saying, So I grew up. The first murder we had in Compton was Claren Stuffordfield kill

Ferguson in nineteen sixty nine. Stayed across the street from each other. Now he got eighteen months in youth authority because he was sixteen, because it was rehabilitation. I go to juvenile I've been going to going to just since nineteen fifty nine. And I would go to the Royal day Old Program, thirty day program, go to why you

do the Marshall program? You do ninety days because white America couldn't understand the psychic of black and I'm saying, so they said we had that learning curve, so we couldn't commit crimes and be knowledgeable form I kurched my Colt, my first body at seventeen when to juvenile Hall got found unfit juvenile, unfit juvenile and went to youth authority. Could have did Wright went to youth Authority. I went to y t S. Got involved in a ride in

y t S called a body. I'm the first juvenile or young adult to get sent from y to San Quentin. But that's another story what I'm saying come back. So in Conton, when we started gangbanging, I saw most of the the cripts come into Why in youth authority we're talking about a bunch of Griffin crazy cript Kevin Williams uh Minnesota um um ricket Bonnovilli. You know what I'm saying. It was accused of fourteen murders at fourteen. So when these dudes came in, we was all Compton. It wasn't

no set trip in in Compton. It was just one Compton. So wherever was from, it was down what separated Compton in the gang band and we talked about we go to seventy two, Okay, Uh Billy Flowers got killed by Jody Crawford on Womington and Compton Boulevard at the cheving station about a girl that stayed on Palmer Street. And when he killed. When Jody Crawford killed Billy a little Billy Flowers, Billy Flowers was from uh Parmaly and Piru,

so he took his body. Jody Crawford was out of the wait side of the Jades when he took his body down the Harrison Ross's funeral home. That j D's came and was the first one to turn over casket Jilly Flowers. Billy Flowers called putting and taming them, and they came and said down at the funeral home for three days. And every time somebody comes, Navid bust him saying, who are these niggas here? We're from Piu Street. So this is how Pius came. And the first division came

with Watts and that's where it came. And then when Uh little Punkin and double Barrel Bob came to the um Watts festival in nineteen seventy one, Craig months of them said, any any uh bloods come to five nine, any five nins come to the Watson. So I said, anybody comes out of that, we're taken care of them. So to sweep them out of the bounty hunters they came and they all of them had uh raincoats on with shotguns on them, and they said, who are y'all?

You said, we're bounty hunters. We're looking for crips. This is the beginning of the bounty hunters. Then, so then they started calling and Pius, which dudes from l A didn't know what the Pireu was, so they started calling us roosters. So that's where the Red cave and at and so that set us up with the Red and the Blue. Oh my god, you know what I'm saying. So that's where he comes. So when he's talking about the different fathering. Before you could go to y for

being incorrigible, your mamma dam couldn't have you. But it wasn't a crime. In nineteen seventy one, they made it a felony because Blacks was I went to I had three owned clear people and didn't do all day. Now for us killing each other, they started. We got I got one of my little homeboards from Fruittown, sixteen years old. He just got two hundred and fifty years to life.

How are you gonna do it? A percentage of that, you know, So it's massive conceration both fifty after Tony, don't never go beyond me in life with my name where they see my record, we're gonna get it. He got four hundred and fifty, so I'm gonna come help him out and get in back and giving a chance. So this ride, and there's a lot of things that stake here, and not to cut you off more, but they get the picture. And we also want to focus on what we can do to help because we can

always come back and tell tales. We've got a lot of ship, but to night it's important and that's where that's where I'm at. There you go, because I'm trying to reach out to the youngsters that don't understand this history at this table. And like I said, at first, everybody is missing form, even I was missing form, and and my true leaf was to be where you was from and representing one hunting you know what I'm saying, and that to be to a different place, you know

what I'm saying. And I had help, you know what I'm saying. But now that I got older, how do I help fix what I broke? Right? You know what I'm saying. I can't bring nothing back, But how do we help fix what I destroyed? We toward comfter, we destroyed it with the drugs in the gang banging. So here I am now, now I got y'all up here. Y'all can tell us that this wasn't supposed to be us getting down the way we're getting down and the way were killing each other. Wh wasn't supposed to be.

But let me interject on that and what Melvin is saying about the justice system and our position as o g s or older people. If you look in the penitential system right now with Mexicans, old Mexicans they deal with their youth. They tell man, we don't deal with my yatis. We don't do this, we don't do that. But all blacks try to be twenty and try to give misinformation. You feel what I'm saying. They don't get the rial. You get some dude forty or fifty years

old talk about gang banging nine center the time. He didn't do ship at seventeen, he just got out the house. Yeah, you out only three goddamn way to get a mug shot of graduation pigeon, and you can't tip a mug shot for them about seven. So that's where we have miscommunication and I and who we deal around you when I grew, I'll tell your story. The other day, I was talking to my son, my grandson, wilding out he's from Fruittown, whether he got miss informed by some old

niggas about who I was. So we're doing some dumb ship, you know what I'm saying. I did some dumb ship. So my son called me because my my grandson had done some dumb ship, and I talked to his mother about it and my grandson and my son. I'm telling him. He said, Man, Dad, I gotta go over and talk to him. I said, Man, this dude is on a suicide mission. Now my son is twenty years old. He tells me, Dad, what do you mean here on the suicide mission? What are you talking about? What I said, Man,

dude is due. Who would you rather for him to do? Get cold a gunna get killed with a gun. Basically, he got nothing to do with me. If you get killed, I'm gonna go to the funeral, But I'm not going to the graveyard. If you go to prince, if you go to court, I'll to the court. But I'm not going to prison. I ain't gotta fight a dog in the fight. So but my son tell me, man, couldn't nobody tell you nothing when you was going up? You've been a hypocrite. But I had to ask him, how

do you know? I just met you? We've been together about twenty years. Matter fact, I don't know you. I knew your mama for Turk. You came as a plus one. You mean what I'm saying? And why do you think that are? You are so missed in fucking form today because we didn't inform him. We didn't another one to answer that from the era, that that that this is what happened seventy one. I'm going back, so that means seventy five. They turn in the eighteen they saw an

active one. Soto not everybody still James eighty all need a bit of give me my fire. I put that on the ship. I need to go get me some water. Mirror my motherfucking feet fucking with me. Gangster chronicles of my ass. Pay granny her money. This gangster granny, y'all know me? Where you at? Where you at? This is o G. Gangster Granny and the gainst the Chronicles podcast is back in effect. Get ready for some of that

G ship and blaze up. Some wanna merrow if nobody's not active from seventy one, but really the killing didn't start till seventy two. From seventy to to seve from s seventy two, we were delinquents. Where we are stealing, be off the truck, getting neck stealing missed if it's still in right, but we we we we delinquents. We're

doing stuff like the Bad News Bear. But in seventy two when the balloon murder happened, that not the West Side for Looke, because then was took each O G. Home Boys, Uh, Bobby Career, Rest in peace, that's big, that's all sins, RECALLDO sims. But rest in chiefs don't say justin Bates Scott don't. That's the one who never wanted his name mentioned because his wife don't even know. He got the cage and he'd been out since nineteen what's seventy nine? They did us up from the seven up.

They got out seventy nine, so when they left, took in them with necks. But on the West Side. They've always said games. Let's remember that they had avenues, they had businessman. So never think that the Cripts come from those factions or had their ideologies. Because most of those dudes when we got the prison later on with b GFS, oh, all of them. And then when the Bloods came to prison when we turned twenty and months, since they were fighting cripts only they turned in got in. That's why

that's where you get. You be in with Peabody, Jim Brewer and they go to New York. I'm right there on the tier. Please don't work with me this year. So anyway, come and this is where another partner of the Red Sea happened. That's for us gang activity. When you really about it, see we need now you can have nine sugar Beard one to three fold sugar Bear big. Ain't nobody in uh m l A nuts because it ain't nobody following us. We only got us Crypts, Bloods

and the Mexican Mafields, which was the Sutherland Ramios. Now those were the kids that were sowing day ots. But in seventy five, what happens if you count the numbers, they turned eighteen and can go to the prison. So seventy five, that's when you get the rhythm. I'm for the name of off you. It's there, Raymond Washington, and they don't about Sydney Heffner dead. I you had bobbing them.

They actually were the first crops there where they were threatening in where they were almost for the killing, for coming in for killing the black and we're talking about the black panther Jonathan Jackson, George Jackston. These men were actually there as the solid Dad brothers. They witnessed that. So after I followed, we followed them. And that's where party.

That means all the ones that were setting the tradition on the West Side to Hoover, the hundreds, the sixties dogs paid back watergates, UH one elevens, so everybody just start forming. No that left for boy to wear the leadership one cuts. Don't forget all my friends did thirty years. If they just started in seventy one, that mean they got twenty six years where they're gone. That's when the new ones come in and the sets bro. Now you've got people trying to tell other ones what to do,

and that's when the separation grew. Everybody wants to be pink ship turretiving because that's what you're awn and that's when the division here in jail. Now look at it, the originals and our protocol has disappeared because now I go from that to where when crips got killed, it was internal where it was really personal. There wasn't no thing about this gang is this business? Let me interject this who you're talking about? Eighty eight one started the

error when gang violence was at the peak. The government started with Operation wedn Seed. When you talk about the O G is going to prison for thirty years, they had s s U squad in any one to eighty three. Every O G to get out of prison and we get called and they felt when they wouldn't arrest them, they was killing them and they had killed him and they had to disband and nothing new said that were the ones that would do jacket, but they were killing them.

They had to go and a lot of men was from our community where they had to disband it where they were trailing them, killing them and letting them do the robbery and could have been stopped them. They would kill them like Bob kind of like Bob motor mouths in their stag got killed we can name a lot of them. So that's also that's Operation We didn't Seed. So when you talk about people and start infiltrating before

Operation we Didn't see it was corn Tell program. Corn Tell got rid of the Black Panthers, the the midline of Roan Karin getting us and Black dissing the organizations. So they changed corn Tell Probe to Operation Weed and Seed. So now they moved in new niggas to tell you something that were informants. You know what I'm saying, So hold on. So they just started the whole infiltration thing. That's just came in with them with the US organizations.

But this is what go ahead, show qu quick. But this is where we go in this Smith, I'll tell you we're coming with facts. Most people say this's a spinoff and that the crypts were infiltrated by them, but they didn't even know about us. In seventy one. We were dormant, so people would inferred that the Black Panthers the police came, They didn't. We were juvenile while they were passing out lunch. Since we're taking everything we can get, so imagine that that's why you have to separate this.

They were plo brack and correct, we anti black. So imagine when we go to jail and they fighting several rights and we're coming in there with a blue rag talking about were killing blacks. You know what they said, tuck it? Can you just saying something that was deep anti black? We didn't we we were anti anybody because anybody could get it. But we're gonna address something where when they talk about black on black crime, if we're

the closest, you only killed they got. Every race has tried to kill me and this man because of the club skin, including you, But we only kill ourselves because of the areas that are near to us at the closest. When the man reject this also, we need once once it wasn't that we started being anti black, not because no, no, no, no, I'm talking about even when you don't care who it was. Even even with the balluton murder, everybody got the ballute murder came from a stomp and from a fight. They

didn't shoot them, you didn't. It came from fighting. And so when they comes when it came from fighting, that's when when when when the truck things started, but White America did it, started glorifying it, and when they start glorifying to put it onto me, it's easier for me to kill. You didn't go kill somebody in Hollywood. You do what I'm saying. The same thing happened, and when

it starts. You look in the nineties and the two thousand's, they start glorifying carjacking and every guy high speech chase. But before it was on the news, you never heard about it, but everybody wanted that fifteen minutes of fan so gang members we started the same ship. Well, okay, if I kill somebody, gonna be all right, witness news and throwing up my set exactly. It's to me, that's operation we'd and see you think what I'm saying. So it's not that you hate me when White America teach

you to hate me. When you knew better, you do better. I mean because that ship happens today. I mean you see the media glorifying some ship like yeah, so we this is what we do as credible messengers do we blame the way people. I don't even look at it there now. I meant right here where we're the closest to him, I'm worried about whoever got it backpack on him and wearing a hoodie over that goddamn he at a hundred and ten degrees on a goddamn summer day

to make that go away. You're out there. Rather, I'm gonna watch that nigger because I childn't have to be able to where I got to be worried about sitting next to my brother. But right now you can't do that, especially with a mask. Every niggad on one tune ball felling off that stimulus check. But they don't want to got a card with card MACGONI got their pistol in the glove compartment. It's a new tendance on the grid,

so they go get your money. Let me say that you was just back to James about should we hold white people accountable? Should be hold right from everything? Now, If me and you grew up and I feed you skippy dog food until you was twenty one years old and to you with steak, and then you go to a restaurant and buy a state, shouldn't you hold me accountable for not for feeding your dog food for twenty years? So I can't be responsible for something I don't know.

Listening to you all, it's like we created a system within ourselves to program Okay, We programmed ourselves to to be efficient, to be that dude, to be that neighborhood. Because when the hoods started, when the bloods and the and the e Cryption was doing it, everybody had to shine. Every side had to shine. But it wasn't well it wouldn't know. Nobody ever talked about what they did. No I even know what I'm saying. Everybody knew about everybody.

You got to remember it only what's about thirty five West Side. We didn't have nobody, no, not in the nineteen seventy one. It ain't when you got it. But still you gotta look at this. I don't care how you shine if you're not. Now about when I ain't got no money and I'm hustling and I gotta steal. It's easy for me to break in your house. But I never went to Beverly Hills. Why sch it I steal an old TV when I can go and serious and get a new one. And ain't nobody told me

that right here? So we would get it right to where people think one over talking to other this that are then it's not to them because they're not even tripping. What happens is this you're hearing something from one bloody that's saying something that eighteen were registered to him. We're only fourteen and thirteen. We can't process that. So when I'm telling you what that experience and the error was,

we weren't thinking about none of that. So when I say that, it's not a conflict, because a lot of times people see what one say it's not right or oh that's don't know, it makes perfect sense when you dearly look at the other side. So if he's speaking from an eighteen, he's an adult. I'm only thirteen coming as an adolescent. So they called it the age of what innocence. So we don't see nothing where we look from bad to evil. We only thirteen. So when he's

saying in his perspective, that is correct. But the games in l A on the West Side, nobody ever heard said nothing about nothing about not level rights. We were

being able to do what we want. What we were thribbing ice cream trucks or armored trucks at fourteen, with freedom and impunity to do what y'all talk about the police get away with We had era from seventy one to seventy five that no matter what we do, we only could get sentenced to a team and be kept tell you with a juvenile and do you think that that mentality made the youth, you know, more hyper or because there wasn't to step on? You know, what were

you gonna worry about? When whatever now even go ahead? And what I'm trying. And then because of the area, do you think that the lawmakers and whatever did they figured that because it was the west side or this is how they figured out. They covered and made it for the nation. But it started in l A to

where they knew Compton what east side west side? That means you go down, don't forget you and have all these freeways that one tid divided everything in correct, what you're talking about for us when I went to prison, all my homies was in prison, so I didn't miss nothing in complete when he did when he went to prison. When when they got the wine and ship it was a thousand crips and then that wasn't Chris wanted to be crips. You did what I'm saying, so we didn't

miss nothing. I remember when I grew up like Ozzie and Harriet, I had been in my own house. My father was in the Navy. My mother was a college graduate. I was just a bad nigger. He understands me. So I used to go to Juvenile Holland I wanted to man, why y'all lowways? I'm always there, But why y'all there? Some dudes told me out the projects. Man, it's the only place I had ever been where I had my own bed. My my brother sus a pee in the bid and it's one room, and my mom is a

wine or my daddy's in jail. So their sanctuary was Juvenile Hall. You did what I'm saying, being in juvenile Heart was better than being in the projects. And that's a shame. Can I go back to something? I want to go back to? Cointell Pro were impact on that, I know, but for the audience, what impact did that have on the community? Co and Tell pro on on what happened on the community. It was a disenfranchisement of neighborhood beliefs. So what they did they did what right? Now?

People talk about the breakfast breakfast program and they put it into the schools, but nobody identifies that the Black Panthers started that free breakfast program. So co and Tell Pro with Angela Davis and Jane Finder single handedly told up the Black Panther Party. You feel what I'm saying because under the popular beliefs Angela Davis, who was never a Black panther, she was in the Communist Party, you think what I'm saying, So she didn't even have the

concept for what the black anths did you feel? So they used co and tell pro to break this off and bring so by nineteen seventy they went from Black Power to issue your thing, do what you wanna do. So we left unity in the community to having money nineteen seventy six to boss in ten you a year, everybody was having catalogs of money and everybody was had the Black power struggling economically. By nineteen eighty they had

strict Compton of all economics and we became crickheads. And let me ask you this, you talking about nine eighty one year to crack first into the community, they were free base and eat the basin. Because at that time my buddy name was Michael Gildaine, origin Vanair's boy. He married a woman had a girlfriend that was two d rees uh daughter Rhonda Reese High Rhonda rest in peace, two d But this other status of key borns because at that time the keys was fifty five or key.

And also let's remember this and this I go to show you how they make it laws once black start having money. When they made PCP, weren't nothing wrong with it till the start affecting the whites. Now we're gonna go to the cocaine and what happened with that before seventy seven? That means seventy five seventy six, Yeah, what they call the disco. Ever, wasn't it fashionable to snort? Yeah's talking about you then? Was fashionable with something? It was?

It was the rich man. So it wasn't no law exactly. They didn't have no asset for No, you didn't even go to jail. It was fashionable. Yeah, Studio twenty one disco and they made all those movies where they snorty cocaine as a recreational drug. And Bill Cosbeek should be out because that's what it was all about. And now they had come twenty thirty years later. Three Bill Crosby while he added, you don't do a black man, and like that, we got our own law for him, Ronio.

And also while we talked about it, and uh, what's my brother in Chicago, Jeff Fort, Larry Huber. They don't need to be locked up at like an animal. When they voice this can be heard. They help some of these pockets of poverty or rat infested communities that Obama say eloquently and Trump say right off the sleeve. But they're still talking about Compton Watt all across black inner cities that are being fleeched by America but winning off the blood of our backs and our families. So let's

get back to the attack. And we need to start here where we need to start organizing. And I want to say, you really need to appreciate this brother, this brother, that cameraman, that girls sitting into your audience. I'm proud to be here where I made it here and this is all it's about. This is where you need to really come. And it ain't about no uh politics. We're trying to get back in health these you. It's about

education because listening is learning and history is knowledge. And you see when Barbn talking to come to Attenchen, I'm listening to my older and we've gett back to where we used the internet and other things. When all I is the drum bread or Africa, when the olders tell the story. And then that's why I listen. I don't distract. I listen. And then I learned, and then I figured out everybody think we are getting, but really he's a team.

We're our mindset. We're not even processing. We hadn't add sex with our sucks off yet Ship to be talking about being a black panther. Never. You're never too old to learn to learn, especially me. I'm just sitting here and all because of what I'm hearing about. You know, the foundation of how you know, the situations got started with with us as game banging, and I came later on.

You know, I was born in seventy one, so I didn't I didn't start getting in the gang banging until like the mid late eighties and ship like that, so I could understand that next situation right there. But just to educate a lot of dudes, because it's tremendous to see what has happened over over the course of fifties sixty at that then with Marvin in their era for the d and from the business man, the perspective of jail, the criminal justice says them to three, it's called evolution.

And for me to be from Compton the here that you know that it was all about, you know, just the situations of everybody didn't beef and everybody was doing their own thing, and it took a situation that went sour and then everybody started forming their own gangs or whatever. And the mentality of what gang banging is today is far from what you know, the situation of why brothers started gang banging the first place, like it was, like

you said it was, we was just robbing. And now in turn of dudes, you know, a k and people up and drawing byes and and just I mean, the life thing got so mixed up now that we don't even fight against crips, or crips don't fight against pirous. We're killing each other. We got the five hundred block against the one hundred block. Exactly when a little Brook told me one time, he said, he told already little a little rock boy told me one day it's folksine

or nothing. I say folk line. It's not called four lines Peru street hunt was never those hell of the guys, you know what I'm saying. But no more, it's falling that is not You can't get bigger than the pay, you understand, me games, why you think, why do you think set started with with fucking like sections and let me say, let me say this, and no James gonna say. I'm gonna tell you what. Boba Lewys and Baba Lewis wanted the elegant because he really started the east Side.

They had never seen putting the floor in their life, and they thought Baba Lewis was putting. So when you start seeing sets where you if you don't, if you're on m LA, it was just identifying where you was at. We're all in the mob. It wasn't a set. It's all power. It wasn't even it was it was if you was in Back in the days, Loutis Park was the headquarters rock. I don't give it if he was a Ham Street, if he was Lionhood or whoever. When I went to prison, I claimed Loutis Parks. It was

Loutis Park Park route period. So everything was based on Lotus Park. So when when one fight took you away from that line would get into it with somebody from Leutis. Wein't working with him no more. The mob got into it with Lotus when working with no more. So everybody start breaking off and the sections of their neighborhood when they started selling the dope. That's when you claim and this piece of your territory, you know what I'm saying. So like with with looters and and and the mob,

if you cross Bradfield, now we got a difference. So okay, y'all stayed the funk over there. We stayed to funk over here. But it never got to a point where we had to kill each other because my fucker's was meeting up and fighting. I remember, China Dog, you just have mo fuckers come up in the in the headquarters,

which your niggers from over there. They know what the headquarters was in the park up under the the the what you call it, let up under there, and motherfucker's was getting their fight on pool or a little liquor and roll something up. Still Chronicles, we'll be right back. Hey, James still eight. I need yo to tell me what's the word on the streets? He is? What the hell is going on? Ship? You know, Marcus did right the park here, he right there, so he was always there

when he was home. But you know, it just it just got to a point where, you know, everybody just started claiming the own ship, which was cool. Let's talk about just for this because that's competing now the West Side, it's a whole different story on our the set start. So once again that's where you don't get it unfiltered and think that's how I went. For everybody on the West Side. I'm gonna tell you how we started. Took, he left. Everybody would assume when that murder happened, took.

It's incompetent. From seventy two on he was running Bob Simmons boys home. They had one on punder Roads and Prime had another one called the Red House and putting them shot him over there. The other one I only know because they shot his car up and they had us me, Rusty and Qes go change the while he bought the shotgun, the same one they got into death penalty. That's how I got it, and that's what that was down the line. But in our era, the West Side

Cripts started from seventy one. That's Bob and all of him. That's when they ran into Rain and Hm at the Ballston Cross Record hug up at Sportsman Park, which is Jesse, the only two places Cripts ever met in l A. When it came to east Side and west Side, and now all we're talking about is the other side of the one tent freeway. Anything over there is east side. There are no sets. Everything over here on west side. Then you got Compton, so over here. Uh took within Compton.

He was irrelevant here because he's in Compton dealing with them, Little James Compton. Uh the booth heill was open, the Grand East one light in one light out. I can tell you a story about Budacious Border. I can tell your story about Budacious and little Vic who I didn't know. Its name of Vincent, and he had clarified the story where we was at the Uh, that's when we used to all go to the wash festival, right before they

shut down everything. But back to that, once the west Side crips had stopped, which was really on our side of the town. They only had clicks, not games. That as opposed to because don't forget, we're integrating into where they have homes and white folks. Still we got a minute you golf, we got a giant slide, we have a go cart, you got skating reas none of that was available, or if it was, it was being gentrification.

See how they go now that I process it and can remember now know what to say, and I didn't realize it. So a lot of things that we have going on don't take somebody as uh they should have known. Now as you get older, that's the number one deterring to crime. You start the game slow down, um, and you started seeing I had to be in a zip

damn fool to go and do this goddamn ship. So now the first set on the West Side was started by month United Underground not Underground United Nix's Melvin Hardy started Block, O'Neill Brown, O'Neill Brown started one eleven, Terry Block started Watergate there for TWOPI started paidback now Godfathers because they ended up signing up when we was at Dorsey where they were hard on god Fathers and that's

what was going on over there. So now Hoover comes out and they're mostly from uh Fremont, bred Heart and Bethune where you got a meeting of Junior Hide. Now they all at the school and now it's getting personal because some area has to be king of that school. So when we went to Washington from our the eighties, soul train was coming out and all every three things, what's happening, soul train, game banging and pop locking. They all still talked about today. So we didn't set trip.

We set in trends here to night. So then when they start, I get caught with a gun and no more than by the time I come back. It looks like they have a structure the way they got guys telling them what to do. Don't forget we only fourteen fifteen, so we got my crew were were just as active

as anybody because you can always heard the strangers. So we're coming from the eighties and the sixties was coming uh Odie Shaw, Raymond Potts, uh New House, Herman Mond Creek, uh Mark Bolden Uh just a gang or we can go back over him later. But the point was we were unified. But when the hoobers came out, that's when the problem happened. Because the hundreds now they're getting kicked out. And I'll tell you one of my friends. Y'all know who Elvis is. If you don't know, that's who started

the Swans. I think its last name Wilson, Elvis Wilson and Michael read my dear Washington. Okay, let's get a lot of we're gonna make it happen to night. We're gonna have some fun because tonight we're not playing. So now Elvin's got killed that man Chester Park where really what had happened because the boy was in by I'll tell you all my friends got murder conviction and the man that was accused of that was invited with me Peabody, You Berry, Marcus, Uh None which is uh China Doll

SENTI and None. I've been known their family since they were had at the house since thirteen. So when we had to start, when we we and we let me tell you any blood that was in their ear on down. Tell about if we started breaking up in seventy I've been going to jail. You got to get him that Chaluke, because it would be about fifty us to one. But we never abused the privilege and markets none to tell you.

When Peabody called it second murder, his little brother came with him and they put him in the crypt module and he only was eighteen, and he told me, Peabody, my brother, I ain't never been in jail. He went to jail where line Coop and I say, hold up, y'all, this is Peabody brother and I say, don't worry about nothing. True story. A lot of time we don't. We didn't go because it's only business on the street. But it's no way in our era we're gonna be honorable where

we're gonna try to rat pack somebody or nothing. Then, Uh, Salty got killed, Ricky Silas Chocolate. A lot of body started falling in the early years. While I can name it all day long behind what we're going through down. So what happened on the West Side started internally when the Hoobers came out the hundreds because they're coming to Watchington. Not only did they not like the hunt Hooverers, they

didn't like the boys. They could have went to Crenshall, which was the uh the hip hop school you had so trained dancer. But y'all also that was the money that dere heights and plus it weren't acted. Seeing sixty nine Crenshall weren't acted. When you go to Watchington, it's activity. Yeah, that's when you got underground Block one eleven, Uh payback Watergate, Raymond all them are right there and they all come from Henry Clay, So that means they got a farm system.

If you were treated like a team the way. They don't want from elementary fucking up to junior fucking up. Now the in high school and we're coming in. We got the silves to make them respect us. We're not from over, We're coming from a horseman. So when that happened, the Hoovers, which ended up being the sixties because they started to start the east side Bishops, which were west side.

When I moved off Thready Third, I went on six tenth Avenue, and I knew about space coats and them all over there on the east side bitshops, but I never heard of a west side bit shop. Sow me therefoot cookie, Michael Conception. Uh. We set up and I pull up, and I see a group of men, and this is how you get where you're from, sort of. I see a group of dudes coming from Dorsey hey Pool. Who stem over there? Oh, man, see you the marks. I walk over there. I said, where y'all from? They

said west side? I mean now, they said bishops. They need to have the west side. They say bishops. So I say, like bishops with space coasting them on the east side. He said yeah. I say, y'all ain't got cripp on that. I say, don't be here, Tomorre m hm. And next day I can see his name, they know it. The next day they were there, and we had a problem. And what I tell you about problems, okay you don't so I don't have to see it to you. And

that's what happened. And then the sixties started. But it was a problem you already had in hood from one eleven, Baby's Face, the Manual family, Uh, the over Hills, Uh, those were the ones, and baby Face in particular, and Fred Hill because I was with him. Because I told you we was robbing ice cream trucks or armored trucks at fourteen, so we was having money also. So they said, well they want eleven, we six. So see how they

go makes sense because you already had one eleven. But they were in hood, So how are you gonna have an in hood up there in the end up up here? And we with hoovers and they're fighting hoovers because that's when it started, so the hoovers and yes, right, you're moving and groobing. We never turned our backs on them. We didn't understand why they crips that y'all getting at them like that. See, so internal fighting already had started.

So that's the longest war. When they come to crip hittually, not the sixties and the eight trades, it's the Hoovers and the hundreds. They never Chapin's to this day. So we didn't understand it. So we joined up with them, and then we end up and I say we're gonna start against the Crips because I'm the founder, co founder. So when I see them doing not this before that, when I let's get back to when I come out and now they don't start at the set where when I went in it wasn't but one and I see

to get them, and I pulled my crew. We leave, we stay on eighty three and I say we're gonna be gainst the crypt. So I wrote on the wall Melvin Farmer, Gangster Crypt. And then that's when we reunited with the Hoovers and we had seven for eight tray nine dues one oh seven. We locked down that corridor down eighty three from that freeway down to where when you come to van Nes that side it's crypt. Now you've got Jan Brewer, which later would be the Enwood families.

That this time they were a chain game. Wesley Logan little Caesar. So that was to make up on the west side. We didn't have games. They had clicked and they started from the junior highs mixing because remember when that murder happened, they cleaned out the west side. That was it wasn't a lot of people that were actually

get involved. It wasn't a lot of them. Like if you would think it was, oh, it's ten tookies, then now the eight crowd would be because she it maybe four or five of them, it would never be done. They hadn't expanded. But when we joined in and like you say, the older ones say, we arrived to be we juvenile. They didn't have to tell us took them or none of them ever went to jail after we got in the game. They didn't have to do nothing, have fun. We got this and our records would showed

that we what we did. So we don't have to talk. I don't We don't gualify. We just here to give a testimony as witnesses and do God that we here. We're not here to brag and we want to and we want to give condolences to every mother, father, sister, and brother in America that has lost somebody that sense he's come by us because we cover it all, whether his friends, family, folk, or even those that are here to serve to protect you. We want to be where we would be able to be and talk to all

community influencers now today with is your change. I don't want four a circle where I don't want from a tax burden to a taxpayer. While everybody talking about retirement and getting home, I'm bragging about my little job at Trader Joe's and I'm getting three hundred dollars and I ain't been broken this. I ain't been broke to talk about breaking the law for three hundred dollars and I

don't add men. But I earned this, that's right. And I gotta sens a pride to where if I sucked this off, I could have gave that to my daughter in college. I ain't sucking it off. And don't y'all do it and sunk off this opportunity. I call it practicing poor passing over opportunities repeatedly. Okay, we've been doing it too long, y'all. Guy giving us an opportunity that's sharing care and we'll be all right. Yeah, let me ask you a question, because you go back the guns

one and listen to you guys story. I think this is quietus I ever been to an interview because I'm just listening everything you talk about all of sounds like it was playing and orchestrated, like it was somebody's pupping mass from something. Because you know, most definitely, because if you go back to the cocaine and start off with some ball and stuff, then he turns the crack and tears the community of right then you said everything used

to be from the shoulders like this. Then the choppers come. When did the guns win? And how did the guns communes? That's what I thought about. Sometimes you able to do it. Get freeway back up here. Don't forget he was messing with the con So when the drugs came, let me tell you what we thought, that's when the weaponry trained. They were sending. Also weapons of war were that were

for military purposes. So that's when automatics come over here with the drug trade and the Consta Nostro there uh in El Salvador, and they found that the money trail could be easily attracted from the ghetto. And that's when they start, um what's his name, um the general? No, no, what the one we took the beach for America. John so he took the bet for getting the money and bringing the eight case to uh the United States and push pushing them into the ghetto. So it's always been orchestrated.

Is we haven't from the Emascipation Proclamation. We have never been our own individual self. When we talked about the Emascipation Proclamation in eighteen sixty five, blocks were freed and done freedom. We never had an economical situation. In eighteen sixty five, blocks were one percent of the economical situation of America. In two thousand twenty, we're still one percent. So we haven't made any progress and a hundred fifty six years, how did that be? Okay? So I answer

this question too. You coming from you know the era, what do you feel and what do you see? Like every out he's screaming his vote vote this ship, vote that, vote that, do this? You what did you see as a system change? What have you've seen change as far as the time that you have sence from the only way with like me and Mevin involved with Credible Messengers. Credible Messengers is a nationwide community of ex convicts and we go out to make change in children's lives, in

people's life. I don't tell you what I did to glorify. I tell you what I did that. It was just like me being in the third grade. From the sixth grade. I've done dumb stuff and I had to repeat the school year. You did what I'm saying, so you ain't got to repeat it. So now today what we're doing and what we what we do as blocks in a hole. Whoever is the president, it's not gonna change you. We ain't got a dog in the fight. If Mickey Mouse was the president, it wouldn't change our lives. So people

screaming all the it's led by the old. So let me show you it's a conflict the interest. I'm gonna get right down to the point, not to cut you off, but it's gonna make it real simple for y'all. Let's look at it. We'll just say organizations. And I have no problems with any organization that can do something to brain and save a person's life. But I just attect

things differently, and that's by the law. Now, when it comes to law, why is it when we were talking about voting, why would the vote matter when the same people are still doing the same things. Where we want from water holes is to chokehos. Whether it's Democrat or Republican. What's more important is we can make decisions. And when we talk about changes voting, when they talk they're talking

on the federal level. But when it comes to change in the community, you start at the local state and elected officials that are getting the funding where it's not coming to the community. So that's where we concentrate our area on our boat. Ain't gonna matter if they beat them so much to any because they get money. They up, they're getting money. Black lives matter, get all the money, So why wouldn't they want to make a lot of

child law law change? When you see civil rights attorneys that are got it locked in where they're getting fourteen million jets for a child getting killed by police, it's much simpler. Why would you want to change the law when you're getting all the money. So when they're out there as a spokesperson, there's a conflict the entrant. How are you gonna try to stop something that will stop your income? But now this is the thing twice, we have to make it to where somebody where when you

talk about police brutality, it starts with qualified immunity. That is what give them the opportunity to kill our kids with impunity. Now we're gonna get to the civil rights that I do for twenty three years, and I think I'm arguingly the most best in the nation because I've been doing it and been awarded numerous but nobody really here about it. See I got we have plans, not promises. So when it comes to UH police brutality, when it comes to a sessive force, it goes back to voting

and and and walk intin your feet. Believe those are opinions. But the problem stems from h the the UH preponderance of evidence when it comes to standard of proof to get a police in court, let alone for conviction, as opposed to the standard of proof when we do the same act, we got that so forth you commit murder, the evidence means beyond a reasonable or beyond the preponderance evidence. That's what we get, like for when an officer killed

because of qualified immunity. And that's why you m say I thought that seeing that look it appeared, I feared because in the court of law that means you have to prove when anybody been to the fist that a conspiracy and death because it's just that and intent, or you won't have a federal case, you have a state case. So the burden of proof is different when it comes

to the police. You have to prove intent. You never can prove intent to a police when they wake up in the morning not knowing what they job intel and they're trained well enough to know all they got to do it. So I thought it seeing that look it appeared, I feared because in the court of law those words means something. I had to life sentences where two words were said at the end of the question, though, and each time I got a reverse. Her one point can

change the whole outcome, and that's the word intent. When you look up the color of authority that they work up under, you cannot prove unless you prove intent. You never can indict the police, but they'll be held accountable for personal uh liability. And that's where we have a five their plan, and that's when we talk about uh ponent's over side. We have a plan for that. But you see I had a knowledge to address that on another It's where we just make it. But let me

know what I'm saying. Let me inject on that on your plan. When you talk about a plan. You asked what we were doing about the vote and people crying about the vote, right, And I told you we don't have a dog in the race. Every politician other than us, they have accountability to their people exactly. Whatever they say, whatever they say, they're held account before it. If a Mexicans say something bore on the constituent, one of his kids get hung or his relatives get hung. In Mexico,

we have leaders that we have no accountability. They can talk for Compton and never been in Compton. They can do these things, so it's no accountability to get them. So we've never had we've never we've never had a party of leaders to ask America for anything. We didn't We've never asked for anything. So you can't get anything.

A lot of people don't know. President Obama in eight or nineteen, I mean two thousand twelve came up with a law called the Jobs Act, and he says, I'm gonna break the wealth gap so minorities can get the same money as the class right in Chapter seven of the Jobs Act. And he said in two thousand and twelve, go tell the blacks, right, So now, when they made the law in two thousand and fifteen and made the Jobs Act law economical wealth, they said, go tell minorities

that don't make you a nigger. Huh. So now the Iranians, the Mexicans, the jack's been dealing with the job Acts. Today is the first time y'all ever heard of it on so the jobs Let me tell you the job it's a closing the wealth gap. They have something if you ever heard of unicorn stock. Unicorn stock is a bucket stock that goes into when he goes to Wall Street, it becomes a billion dollar stock. It's the only thing that you can get a thousand percent of on interests.

If you give a hundred dollars, you get a hundred thousand. You know what I'm saying. That's unicorn stock. It automatically goes They say they find four hundred unicorns a year in the world. They don't have but three in America. That dude, Robert Heren from Shark Tank. He left Shark Tank. He has especially comes on YouTube called Angels and Entrepreneurs and he charges from five hundred to five thousand dollars

to find a unicorn. They say in this first hour, he had seventy thousand people that came in on him. So he's getting paid every month just to find a unicorn. Right, and in all of that, you won't have one black unicorn. It's never been a black unicorn. But today it is me and my partner's We just if you look at the Black Unicorn factory, my partner's uh, Johnny Stewart just he just got out of the FEDS in April last month. He just acquired two hundred and twenty five million dollars

for Unicorn stock. By March, he will be a unicorn and we will be the first black billionaire company. You did what I'm saying, so not knowing, not knowing economical value of what we're doing. People talking for us and talk about us. But even after the riots, everybody property but blocks. The Koreans got new money, everybody got new ship, but we still got vernal places on on Vere Mountain and Manchester people's but ain't nothing but a lie came

back and building nothing in the black community. Because we asked for nothing, we ain't got. You think what I'm saying. So when it all comes down and you hear every politician when they speak and they said we're gonna do this for minority and we're gonna do They never mentioned black people in America. Can you guys, were nothing cuts you off? I want to ask a question that may be kind of rhetorical, it may not be an answer. What do we do now? Because it seems like our

community is another chaos. Our kids are losing their minds. You got kids running around wearing dress, boys wearing dresses, um and it's almost like, you know, sometimes if you look at it almost seems like, man, is the world about the end? You know, you got the rumors of war, you got the pandemics from the round, You've got people.

You know, if you broke it down the street man, you know, you passing brother using your acknowledge that the brother you're doing bever, you look like you look like they you know you kind of like like like what I try to make it a point to when I see another brother, always say hey, what's up? Or try to give up that that that that you know you could pull up on the motherfuckering give him that look

and be wrong. So you try to do that nowadays, trying to break the ice in certain situations because I think you're gonna always run into that. And it's another thing too. What happened to are you doing? Sir? Where did O G come from? Like? And I don't mind that, but to me, it's disrespect. We see what's happing O G. What do you know what I mean? Like like O G right now, I mean the opportunity together. We need to change that dialogue to where you think the bog

you got the beach hardcore. See, sometimes we have to change the dialogue else we ain't gonna never change your thing. So we need to make it with O G. Just stand for opportunity. Gither then anybody age because what they do is try to make it look like they was here there in the beginning. But then when we do that, like his grandson, they don't want to listen to it. That's because you ain't give them them. No, they don't

get the resources. And that's come back to where the resources not coming because what happened is you have to get economical developed in the community. Let me tell you they had the hundred days hundred nights. We're gonna get to the point when the hundred days hundred nights started. That's when l A and UH every game in l A was after the hoovers and the trades, and that was when they said they was gonna kill somebody. Crime and murder was at all time low. And you probably

heard of the community. I'm from their valley. So from to this day you hear all the politicians and Caring Bath and everybody that's against public safety, Mike Gibson, and they'll be bragging about crime is down. But it's also through their efforts. But a lot of times people that are closest and had a boot to the ground, they

do the work when the cameras not around. So those are the ones that are work where I can say just overall crime from the highest and where there was when the streets like come on to where we at now, it's a tremendous uh. That's but like when Nipsey Hustle murder happened in Unity Games, if you think Nipsey Hustle murder made it to where the eight Trade gangsters overnight happened.

I just put a picture of a big you tony station where in Melvin already had a vision because I'm in a church where everybody in there, big youth, family and all sixties and they were still warn I've been discussed that and that's when the murders went down. Where we kept its secret. So when we hear the other stories, they add bros in it, But Melvin had his hands. And where I do deals to where I bring in opposing sets to where they create dialog. That's what I do.

I'm a community organizer and I basically had where we should have diplomatic and I do on my side of the town and any where else because I never crossed the line. When the crypts went into crypt on crypt in a d I retired because I knew everybody from seventy one that made it what it is at that

time and I couldn't go back. So and at the end of the day, we have an organization where we have on our own where we can do it on our own to where we write, like I said, we cover police brutality, police oversight, community concerns, and community and citizens complaint. Not only do we talk about games, because I'm telling you I'm coming to run for a district,

I talk about homelessness. I'm gonna do it. A new bill called Isis, which is in a city stress central to where like they say, they got p s D or S T D or whenever they go to war. These kids been born in the war, and who talked for them? When these youths are being violated and they're not getting a chance. So we're not just talking about it. I feel that should be to where these kids we have to partaken in. Just because of elephant has the

biggest head doesn't mean he got all the sense. So in other birds I want to get and where we all have a voice with your generation. That that way you hear the thoughts and then we react off their thoughts and go into action. If they say this what bothering them? I ain't gonna argue them. If that's what bothering You'm to see what I can do to help take that helment away. And that's how you preach and teach.

We have to set example from him where he taught me, because you know, I'll tell y'all want to hear that we argued before we are exactly and hey, we argued all day. What we do shows high and we let it go and look how the show came out. Nobody hesitated, all of us speaking from the heart. Grown men can talk to each other, especially when you've been through the same. You know, trials and tributa the same stand each other.

I just want to ask one more question. Um, I like to I want to give people because you know I when I do songs or when I write, you know, I put out music. I always try to give people to the sense of it's never to glorify where I was from or the situations Compton. You know, I grew up whatever, it was always a product of my environment. Now you say your grandson is uh, the the young Look he's how old? When my grand size twenty? My son,

I gotta some sixteen? Right, it's the product of your environment. Do you feel that adapts to the product of their environment? Because I lived in Spook Town automatically, by the time it was you to go was it was, it was natural to game, right to join the set, so to speak. Okay, I started wrapping, making music, whatever I moved out to,

you know, the something birds, you know, emin Empire. My son never seen gang banging, but from what he's heard from me and stories of the homies and watching Minister Society, me acting and whatever, it's never had that. You know, his life was growing up. He's a football start at his high school and I put him in sports at three years old, so I gave him a different environment.

So to speaking, if he grew up where I was banging, is natural that nine times out of ten he probably would be banging to because he has to serve a youth and in the city where when you moved him out, he had total freedom to be itself. Like when you take a youth into a music thing where they got instruments. You might want him to play a horn, but he'd be banging the drums when that's what you should have got cuts his ears telling him that's what he liked.

But when let me, let me, let me invene intervene on that, because sometimes just because you move a kid somewhere, don't change their lifestyle. There's not let me just let me just want some some work some people, and some people have moved out of Watts and moved to Rancho Coca Manga and they got Rancho Coca Manga bloods because he wasn't doing nothing in the hood and when he got out there from but when they first rode the

ranch from Cuca Manga was exclusive over time. That's not a long Let's not make it where he's wrong, but I'm gonna show you the calls and effects. Don't forget when they moved from watch that's the equivalent of Beverly Goddamn Hills. And during time with gentrification came and forced you there. Then they set you there, and now they're sending that environment where it don't being placed here. See how that's depantification. Because in the ever, when you say

you move to Watts, don't. I'm not saying. You know when they from out there to Rancho, I guarantee you when they started it was an exclusive area. So now when you say they went there and they were gangbanging, there was no gang banging there until they relocated. That's cobble. You can research it so I can vigialize that area

where you're right. But later on, but what he's asking, what he asked is about the environment of children and how his child where he grew up at now undercover, his kid may be a great kid, but he's still got the image gangster father. M c A right, he's still got the grounds a counter right. You know what I'm saying. He may be where he at, but every night and then he gonna buffett to his peers. Because this is what it's it's about now doing the struggle. My kids grew up in County. Most I got him

that didn't grew up in Pasadena. My son the one that just told me that, Uh, couldn't nobody tell me nothing. This boy went to private school, he went to Sarah High School, went to college, came back out and still became a fruit time by her, You did what I'm saying, So the environment sometimes perceives it's not what I did for him, but what somebody else told him. I was like, I told him, I just met you. How do you

know what I did when I was a kid. You did what I'm saying, So, environment a lot of times just because he's basing his reputation or being from fruit Town because of what he heard about O your dad was doing this, and you got, like I'm telling you, you got a forty fifty year old dude and still in the park. He's only in the park because he lost his mama's house. He's riding the bicycle, not because

the exercise, because he don't have a driver's license. And he's telling a fifteen or sixteen year old about being O G's and he really never met James. You didn't say he wasn't cool. At the time, James was cool, but now, oh yeah, man, I was with him c A not in this. But who is the one the balance that say you're lying? So that's why I could when we talk about how we control I keep it relevant in the hood. Like brother was just saying, I have to have respect. Don't call me O G. I'm

now Mr. Mr Kenzie. I earned that respect, Nigga when when we're not teammates, you did what I'm saying, you feel okay? Do you feel offended when when Nigga's come up to you or know of your history, do you feel offended by them associating you with that? No? I mean I'm who I am because of what I wouldn't change a thing in my life. I grew up, like I said, I thought I was in the Beaver Clear. They told me Compton was together in nineteen seventy and

why I didn't understand it. It's nothing I would have done. I would have changed my some things that I read my mother through. You did what I'm saying, But everything else I did it for a purpose. I didn't go in I didn't get into gang banging for because somebody jumped me in I see the economical value, and I was, I was. I was manufacturing PCP when I got out of prison, and I put it down with my little

homeboys so we could do things out of time. Everybody had catalogs A little fellow, uh babe for all all of them, Uh Danny Pittman, all of them dudes came up under me. You did what I'm saying. So it's certain things that I can't hide from. And I don't say I'm sorry for what I did. It was an education, but you don't have to go through the same struggle

I did. Now I want to answer that. And asked me the same question because that's from a prospective view, and that's from a political view where they priested that. Now we're gonna talk about the crypts view because I believe Blew. Now, I asked me the same question because he eats under the four years. Now, I asked me the same question. That's what you asked. Was you asked, was do you think when I moved my son to Rancho? Did you think that make it? Because my son ain't

been subjected to it. And now let me tell you when I said what I said, and it does make a difference. Sometimes you can be blinded by the light with their answers. In the dark, all I know is whatever you did was successful, and that's what I would call protocol. There's nothing else to explain because as I said, his opinion is right. And once again I always go back to pro black and anti black. Those are two

different ideologies. So you cannot press your ideology when what you're talking about is the kids that committed violence that create exactly what they're talking about. That era didn't commit and make the bloods and the crypts. They were pro blacks or else we when they had to fight him when we went there. That that so that. But what I'm saying is the question was did it change to

where he had a chance. To me, when I look at it, all I see as a kid because he didn't have to avoid gun violence, didn't have to worry about being pressure, could concentrate and focus on and have a chance to survive. It succeeded and he didn't get in trouble where a lot of times we're just born in the in the community where to where we don't have no choice but to try to survive every day and get what we can, how we can, and it

could be kind of any kind of way. So it goes back to your economic cor and we need to start doing what you say as for us bringing the thing, but also practicing what you're telling us now to where I understand what I made. My mistake. That was a

hellable question you did and his solution. I learned something that Hey, they go back to listening and saying all we need to do is sprouted their protocol because they were pro That means they never had no hard feelings towards me in your life, which you fas them different, right, but the he in the same what you're talking about. What you're talking this is two thousand and twenty, and we got the same plague. So these kids don't are not growing up having to really set You were setting

tripping off each other. Now, so where did we get that dispensation? You did what I'm saying, Well, I can understand what you're saying about moving the child out in a safe space, but now where's the safe space with the media with the thing. You got gang bangers in Mississippi in the woods exactly, you did what I'm saying, So what was what's their difference. So with media changing with this and that it's not all the time you can save a kid. I had. I had a lady

tell me one time that she never knew. She sent her son out every day in a uniform, and he went to the bushes and put on some gang to her and when people told her about it, she custom out until he got arrested for a murder. Ten years this boy was gang banging and his mom them never knew. Because now with the workforce, with the things that parents are doing. See, the system took children out of our control for thirty years. You can't whoop them. You can't

do nothing to him. So now children feel like I gotta right. I'll call nine one one on. You have parents scared of their children. Now America has abandoned black children. Now they tell you that they closed down LP. Juvenile Hall only has hard crimes. You did what I'm saying, They closed LP down the county system. Yeah, the county system has turned over everything to another form. Now your child has to go and replacement. If something happened to like I said before, I could put my my mother,

damn could put me in juvenile hall for incorrigible. That they I wouldn't mind, and I had to go to juvenile hall. But today if a child is incorrigible and you can't have them a child, you go to jail, yasue. In some states your fucking kid miss school or this. That's so now they didn't turn the children loose on you. You ain't even that with this kid in twenty years now they gotta tell you you got to deal with him. You I don't even know him. Yeah, you know this stuff. Man.

We can go on on like man, and we will have to have y'all come on again, man, because this has been an incredible episode. Man, it's nothing but the truth coming out. Man. Can't nobody to big enough of your sin because it's true and big personally. It's not about bloods and crypts. It's not about what side was the best and what's I was this Every prison I went to, we was out numbered by cripts. You recognize the bloods because they still a tall and fault nine

against two forty. You know what I'm I'm saying. So it didn't matter about the power, It didn't matter about who would I mean, it didn't meant none of that ship matters. Today we're killing each other. You got more cryps killing crypts than crypts killing bloods. What was our purpose? The purpose is gone now. This is what matters, the purpose of being a game member. It's no good. It's

we exhausted everything here. You know what I'm saying. After I mean, if you're thirty, if you eight, and you have there banging like you don't know ship, you know what I'm saying. This is the experience right here. But people gotta understand, man, it just don't matter. Look at the color of our skin. Let's pay attention to where we at. As we get older, we get smarter. That's when we grow up. That's when our mentality changed. And

that's when we stop doing what we're doing. And that's why we at the table now because we want that change because we got grandkids. My grandson is gonna be as solid as as everything. Because I'm raising the hands on not get out there and go shoot if boy, if you don't, if you get your ass, whoop, whoop your at, we don't have to do that. I'm teaching you how to be a little man, a young man,

and then a dog man. I'm teaching me and that's what all of us need to stand up and do just teach our grandkids and our grand our sons and them. But you don't know what you just said, James, whether we was out up, but they're not in the penitentiary. We understood that we wasn't the enemy of each other. We had white boys and mesticans. Before I get mad at the crip, I had to take care of my other business. You think I'm saying. I was in tracing in with nine hidden sixty crips on the line and

book of Teeth and broad Away and and Swan. Big Swan came and told me you can't stay here, man, this is blue city. Like the same bus brought me brought you. How you how have the rolling up? I just did twenty two months in the hole in saying corne you think I'm a lock up. This is not going down. So now the representatives from Compton, Uh Santanna, Mike Sherwood boun they I've been knowing these since kids, and they're like, man home, if y'all got some against marm,

you've got something. Sherwood came out one morning with a red sweatshirt on a front hood crib. That's right. This was you could still red where you did what I'm saying so so so we understand that it was basic us. You did what I'm saying when he sat tripping and this, and like I'm saying, uh Malarbruke, Mike from Hoover, all of these dudes that I've been going with, Like, man, if even that being growing up, being a blood, you had to respect each other because wherever you went you

was out number. You didn't have a choice. If I don't if we now we can go into shell and fight. But after that show, but we're gonna go to child hall. We're gonna do whatever. We can walk to yard and do whatever. But I mean all of that is like out the window. Let's let's say, yeah, this could be manday.

But I think I, like you said, we we've learned a little better that you know, a lot of us who have grown up and mature, have you know, learned the ways of trying to educate, at least in our section or the youth we know we try to give knowledge to. So, like you said, we could talk for hours an hour about the same ship we go. Can we gonna shut it down? No, man, because I can keep we can keep going to twelve o'clock and legs now Man. Where can the people find out your information?

Then where can they go? Melvin Farmer um credible messenger. I'm on all forms of media outlets, social media, when it comes to audio, video or print, I have a YouTube station hid in Corners. I'm an author where you can go to Amazon. I wrote a book called The New Slaves to Shift three strikes you in because I'm the first three striker to get a life sentence and the first in the history to ever be released on

a reversal. I've also a new political action committee. You can email me Melvin Former uh three five nine at gmail dot com. Or you can call Dr Rosie Milligan Books and you guys that have ideas to where you want your books published. We have a publishing company, Milligan Books. If you have loved ones in jail, you can come here. We can get the magazines where they have to uh give it miss the way it be consent to them. So a lot of information that's hid in books. So

you aspiring authors, you're free to come. But there you can go and called us three two three seven five Old thirty five ninety two. You can also get your health products they do UH cat scans. They give out insurance because a lot of these kids and you all agree it is one of our major problems is we don't have insurance and these kids die where you have

to have car watches for their generals. We have another company that's one of the biggest growing in Inglewood that I've worked with as an ambassador, UH called PHP People Helping People run by Donald Quay nine and so we've got a lot of information and things. We don't really have enough time, but I have a plan to where if we organize and UH we can make something happen, where we can make a change. But more importantly, I'm running for the eighth district. I think that's where change starts.

I'm not here UH sit and talk about it like you said here and we have to go to local. It's not the fall of the elected officials when it comes to the federal level. To bring change, you have to go through the local and elected officials that are held responsible for protecting our community and making sure that the community is UH represented in and that they're doing

due diligence. I don't believe that due diligence in my district, eighth district is being served where one side it's getting the electric trains and new malls and another side is

getting busted but only one streets. Are we gonna go and see what we can do to bring economical empowerment UH and redefine our community while also attacking the criminal justice alive tolam are Um National Representative for the West Coast with a Melvin Firmer for Credible Messengers out of a Washington d C with Clinton Lacy and Antonio Fernandez King tone with the Latton King shout out to Sean Steph Incredible Messengers side and Um, I'm at my organization

is public and makes your relationship in Compton, California. I'm associated with the Black Unicorn Factory dot com uh bridge and the Wealth Gap. My email is ny Protection at Gmail. That's it, man, Right, there's some incredible brothers man. And you know, we'd like to thank you man for tuning into another episode against the chronicles. You know, this is

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