EP 76: Mobb Ties Ft, J.Prince

my nose will girl like Pinocchio. We're gonna tell you to choose nothing but the truth. Thanks the Chronic Goals. It's not your average show. You're now tuned into the Rail, m C eight Day Change and Mixed Stairs Strictly from the Streets. Hello, thank you for tuning into another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast with me, Norm Steele and my comrades Big James and m C eight Tonight we have a special guest. This man puts the G and Gangster.

That's one of the most revered and respected members of not only Southern hip hop, but the entire hip hop nation and the streets. J Prince, the founder of Houston, Texas based Rapp a Lot Records, introduced us the gainst rap artist, sex of the Ghetto Boys, traded truth scar Faced, Willie D, and others. His reputation proceeds him from his ties with Chicago political prisoner Larry Hoover to his victory

over corrupt federal officers. J Princes revered and love and not just his native Fifth Ward, Texas, but hoods all over urban America. What's happening to look? J oh yeah, y'all doing that. We're all good, man. It's a pleasure to have you, don't hear what. It's a night we go stick strictly to the party. Now. The company is named after your brother, Sir rapp a Lot. Yeah, yeah, you feel what You're putting your hustle to the curb and everything to start a record company only to have

him wind up in the pin. Yeah. Well, you know, I feel bad for him, you know what I mean. I still feel bad for him, you know, all the way up until this day, man, because you know, we all know we had to live with the choices that we make in life. And uh he uh at the time, didn't really he had been burned you know how you know how how woman get burned from from Nigga's proud to you getting with him and and and they they don't believe you know what I mean, they'd be scarred, right.

So I think my brother had got scarred for dealing with people proud to dealing with me. And you know he didn't bleed, man, So he decided to do some other ship, you know, and it costing twenty something years. Wow, man, that that's that's crucial right there, man, twenty some years. And I know they had to be something for him to seeing all the success Dickshaw had follow on his incarceration. Man, yeah, yeah, no for show man, and uh he done what twenty

two years? He came home, he stayed home for two years and and now I've been going another with eight years or so. So you know it's, uh, the story ain't over with. But you know the motherck ain't ain't been pretty, you know, yeah, for sure, man. That's all sometimes man, usually that's the state. You know what I'm saying when we're dealing with the streets jay um, you know, just trying to take that flip side and trying to do something better, something different, you know what I'm saying.

Sometimes when we deep in that streets, you know, we kind of try to find our way out of it. But then you know, sometimes when you come home, then then then them tests in the trials of what it is in the streets that got you there be be kind of pulling you back in so to speak. Yeah, yeah, no, we we were definitely is aware of all the you know what I mean, all the uh, the different rigs

that exist in the street. And a lot of times, uh, you know when we's it's two it's two things man that really that our witness that really uh keep a man in bundage, you know what I mean. And one of them is a lack of education, and that education is not just in school, but you know, we can be educated through our walk of life on the block, you know what I mean. And and the other one

is uh, bad habits. So you know when we when we make those bad habits, you know, such as testing this drug or this situation, then you know that's that's something that you might say, oh, I want to leave you alone, and then and say no, come back to me, and the next time, you know, you you're chasing that how to rest of your life, you know, temptations, especially just being in the streets. You know, you you that's all you really used to. That's how you really do.

I mean, I've been there. You've been there, and it's hard to get out of the streets. Like me, I wait until I get into my fifties. Just say fuck it, you know what I'm saying. At some point you get tired of the streets because it's gonna beat you down. If it don't beat you down, it's gonna lay you down, you know what I'm saying. And you just don't want to give up when it's too late. Yeah, And and

that's the real right there. You know, as you tuched on something man earlier that we always talk about Man, the drugs. I remember Man and the um. You know, in the early days, just wrapping music. Everything was pro black and if you was walking around on crack, he was looked at as a tweaker, as a gegeger. You didn't want to be to dude on crack because what nobody fool on with you. And it's like now that's

the narrative that they pushed into our young black folks. Man, they're talking about popping the po talking about popping the Molley this and that. So it's like they don't make it a cool and I almost think it's a conspiracy man just against our people almost to push that narrative, and and and and then another thing, Jay, I mean, like, how how do you see it? You know, because you come from our class and our school of hip hop from back in the day when when we was on

a different page. What do you think is leading the youth and the young dudes today as far as pushing that agenda in music? I'm I said, um, you know with what's going on from the days of when we was putting out records like me Face, Ghetto Boys, whatever, complicts to the days of now where you hear a lot of youth advocating for the peel popping and the

you know, the the DraCos and all of that. What do you think is misleading the hip hop artists and the young brothers today as far as why are they're going in that direction as far as music is concerned, because like Still's saying, we looked upon drug heads back in our days, is man, what the fuck? And I

would like the advocate, So what do you take on that? Yeah, you know, um, you know, first of first of all, you know, I think our generations have to take some some responsibility for a lot of this ship that's even going on the day to a certain extent, you know

what I mean. And I you know, I'd be the first, you know, like like where my community is concerned, I'm might here right now, and you know, I remember it was a time that I helped, you know, destroy you know, the very community that I'm trying to uplift and and and Bill right now. So so I take responsibility and where that's concerned. But even though like you know, we we like the home is say, it wasn't no, it wasn't in style to want to be a tweak or to want to be you know, on drugs. You know

what I mean. Our you know, my heroes. You know, I like to see a nigga ball from a dealer perspective. But you know, now and I nine and shifting like took of three sixty and you know, uh, they got this ship rear twisted. And I try to uh uh like you know, inspire and and uplift these young brothers, you know, and and you know, by encouraging them and letting them know a man. That's uh, that's damn. They're

close to suicide. It's just a matter of time before you pop the wrong pill for this wrong ding take place and you, you know, you get out of here. They're dying out here in my hood like flies popping them pig. Oh yeah, Man, that the opiates epidemic is serious, man, All through the South, all through the Midwest, you know, everywhere out here, man, and people losing their mind over them pills. And like I said, I think it's a conspiracy,

which leads me to something. Man. Knowing that you started your career off as a music executive and you weren't in the streets no more, how did the field man of law enforcement just hand it out for you the way you did? Man? Because you kind of like the hero one the hood. You're the first dude to fight them cats and win. Yeah. Well, you know along my whole journey, Uh, they wanted to kill me out here

in Texas. You know what I mean? It was, It was It was that real to the extent where I think they understood my mind to the extent that I was gonna inspired generations to come and in these people. You can't underestimate you know these fays are all these three letter individuals. Man. They they said I had to kill me, you know literally, you know, I had to put together a farmer to to stop from being killed

throughout my whole journey, you know. And uh yeah, that does tie into that conspiracy that uh that I think still exists to this day. You know what I mean, I just happened to be one that you know, and I give our glory guard what es concerned because you know, it was the time I was too ignorant to even uh uh thanks straight and could protection on my own hand.

So me sliding through the cracks of me being able to have this conversation and write the book that I wrote, you know, concerning my journey is uh like a chosen situation from up aboard, man, because everybody I know, you know that that interactive on the level and the playing field that I played on, you know, is out of here, uh going a long time. But every everybody gotta walk

that walk. And when I see everybody gotta walk their walk, everybody go through the trials and trivelations of being in the neighborhood, growing up in the neighborhood, dealing with the drugs and everything, everything above. But I think we have choices. We we we we we don't make those choices, you know, growing up in the hood, because we're moving fast and

we ain't we ain't thinking about that. It's when we get in our thirties we're thinking like, damn, so you got this this new drugs, the peals in the land and all that ship. Cats still seeing their homies dive from this ship. But they're still doing it, and they're seeing it, just alterning their facial the appearance it. I mean, it's it's taken away from us. But how do I mean my whole thing is to reach the neighborhood? How do you reach the little homies and tell them that

this ain't the way to do it? I mean, they don't want to hear a conversation. So how has How does how you go by reaching I mean getting at them little catch? Yeah, well, well you have to you have to set up infrastructure in place where you you you have the young whole, the young accountable, you know what I mean? How to be structured in place to the extent where uh uh, well no bus are concerned and and and the numbers after after our wait, you know,

whoever is in disagreement. Other words, it's infrastructures in place out here where where I'm at, to the extent where if one is out of line, then they know, okay, you're against the whole army. It's certain lines that you crossed. But but that structure, you know, that comes, you know, like y'all problem, I already know that comes with a whole you know a lot of ships that you know, we can't ready to talk about right now. But structures,

struct you know. But I know I know there exactly. Yeah, yeah, you know. And I was gonna ask you, you you know, going back to it, man, you know, because I read the book, and I've been a rap a lot of fan man since the original Get A Boys, you know what I'm saying, since it was juke boxing all them.

So did you gave a lot of game? I don't know whether you know it or not, Man, you gave a lot of games, brothers like myself when I was sitting on the east side of Cleveland, Ohio, because that was one of the first markets I think that y'all hitting right, Yeah, well, well the first city that embraced us. What your car going all right? Yeah? Yeah? Which which Cleveland ohiw you know that's crossed the street, right, So,

so Chicago embraced us first. Matter of fact, the whole Midwest, the whole Midwest embraced us before anybody in Yeah, and you gave a lot of inspiration at the beginning of those albums because it was like you almost listened to the albums just to hear what you was gonna say at the beginning of them. And you talk about you know a lot of people, man, you talk about in particular man, the dude Chad Scott and the shoemaker dude, those are some dangerous cats. Yeah, hit man, get man's

for the government. And that's what it seemed like they was. And I noticed, like you know, I read the book, so they had you over. They tried to get you to pull over into a dirt McDonald's parking lot like he was like he was boot with the food and just people over there just to get done. Yeah. Yeah, no, Now I really believe, man, with with all of my heart, that they're gonna hit me that night, you know what I mean, the whole the whole set up, Uh were set up for a hit, you know what I mean.

Other words, I had never got stopped and then a law told me to go somewhere and stop again. You know, normally where you get stopped, that's where you get stopped, you know what I mean. But they directed me to go in a or almost like a dog alley. But but even even before then, you know, they have been sending threats. You know, they have been um go reeling a lot of the homes in my hood and uh, sending a lot of death threats my way about what what's gonna happen with me? And you know, because of

a lot of acquisations and ship like that. So I'm like every day of my life. You know, it was a lifestyle how how I was marking, how we're moving. So even when they made that move, you know, it's like three four homers trailing me, so you know it was gonna be real ugly. But I just had enough sense to, uh, when I got to that light and they're talking about that dog, I say, I'm going over to the light. So I pull over to the light, you know what I mean? You know, Yeah, So that's

how that went. Do you think, uh, you think that they just had it out for you because of who you were trying to be or who you were becoming or trying to make your you know, you know, you have so much control as far as people respecting you, and on that level, do you feel they just just hated the motherfucker just because Yeah, I think it was

a combination of things. You know, when when when they witnessed any of us, you know, come out the hood, you know, when they understand where we came from, and they weren't able to distraught and and we started rising and not only do we rise ourselves, but we bring our loved ones. The home is with us and and all of a sudden, you know, it's like a movement that played that that takes place where we're living better than them, right so you you, you know, a monfuker

like put you on the hit list. Because definitely, like in my era when it wasn't when rap music wasn't even power, So the way the way the movement taking place right now, this wasn't This wasn't happening the same way they they didn't have artists that had made it

and went gold and ship like that. So you know, they may say fifty or a hundred niggas moving together and they're like, oh, this got to be a money laundering game or dope down whatever they may think, right, because it was the beginning stages or my movement and I'm exercising, you know, my dreams and whatnot, and and their objective was to stop there saw where I had started and where I was going. You know, seen you

almost reached doing some other stuff. You feel what I'm saying for you to do what she was doing was real powerful because not only was you moving, but she was bringing other brothers up off the street with you. You know what because you kind of like the thumb, you know, me reading the book and everything, and I see how you are, Warren should you were going. The other guy Earth got here too, you know, to watch

out You're moving. Everything is It's almost like you prophesied that coming, like God gave you that the ceremony in your head to say, hey man, the storm is coming. Watch y'all and watch yourself, you know, play square. Yeah, yeah, most definitely, man, h I definitely been blessed with the with the gift of intuition and discernment, and and that's

what's saying my life a many times. And uh, you know, I always was the type of nigger that try to you know, share that with all the hom is I interacted with, you know what I mean, where where I saw it a lot of time. You know, niggas, you know, they thought I was crazy. You know, they come and they get you tripping. You know. Even when I decided

to go to Corporate America. You know, I remember being right out there in the l A with some of the homies on sunset, you know what I mean, And and and like them, here is what I'm gonna go to. This is the new game, you know what I mean. This was in the beginning of going, you know, to the rap. I said, this is the new game because I saw the vision and uh, you know, niggas laughing thought all the crazy thing in the world. Nigger used to leave all of this for that. Yeah, look at

it could be. I mean, ship if you're coming from you know, if you were in that lifestyle there, you know, they're figuring like you already winning the funk. You want to funk with that rap, ship for it. And I already know in the beginning, you know, rap wouldn't real heavy for us in the South and on the West, you know what I'm saying. So I think the Baker was like man you're crazy as funk man here gonna get into this game because it wasn't solid for us

at first. And you know, basically it was Catched like you who pioneer that independent game of being self sufficient and starting on rap label, who gave people that open eye that rap can be successful for a black entrepreneur. You know what I'm saying, not just on not just on the artist's aspect, but you can truly be an entrepreneur and a black man who can run a successful company by being as a record label, you know what I'm saying. But it all depends on who who that

who the leader is, you know what I'm saying. And I got to have some kind of businesses. I worked with Shild, I was I was one of the first that was with Shild. When Child came out, I actually walked away from it because I've seen it coming, uh bad things. So I lost my brother doing this situation too, and I just knew, I mean why Ship didn't take here to a lot of people was getting in his ear to tell him to slow down. Uh when he started drinking and all of that other Ship he became

one of us. You know what I'm saying now, he's now he's just loose. Uh I told him before. You know, it's hard to to possess power because some other suckers don't know how to control power to being powerma, you know what I'm saying. So you think those cats didn't listen to you when you warned them? Why do you think he would listen to you? And and and your way was working, his way didn't work. Why you don't

think them cats listen? Well, you know, man, you know, pride to the motherfucker right and uh you know, like like like I've always been the type of dude. You know, I'd be inspired by nigga movement. You know, I try, I try, and uh uh take positive energy and being inspired by a movement versus you know, allowing jealousy and different ships. You know, my heart concerned and different things. And you know most of the home is you know,

don't know how to differentiate where the tourists concerned. You know what I mean, A nigga see of another man making it malice and it's hard and he want to down him or you know what I mean, he want to take what he got versus you know, getting some wisdom from the situation. So it's um and and a lot of a lot of us do better when we

know better. But you know, you said a mouthful, you know when you you know, if a man is intoxicated or man, you know, pick up one of them them habits to like cloud is um is thinking ability, then that's a that's a hell of a crutch, you know. Yeah, that's a hell of a crutch that can get funk up your whole day. Damn your will, Yeah, damn your will because you know, you see the thing and you know,

a lot of people talk about that. To me, I don't see them but saying this when I see that, because You've got a brother that had an opportunity and now it's just like you know, it's it's squandered. Man. And really it made it hard for the next executives that was coming through the game, you know what I mean.

And you know, I think, man is at one time, you guys were talking about starting to distribute the distributor right, your own distributed right at one time, you Sugar and Earth gott he was talking about starting up on your own distribution company, correct exact. And you know, I think it's a lot of people in the country, Man, a lot of white people, man that wouldn't have liked to see that happen, because you know, if you're a young

black dude, man, everybody was kind of engine towards being independent. Anyway, if you're a young brother and you see these three people that got all this knowledge, man, they go run towards you before they go the other way. So do you think they saw y'all as a vibal threat? Yeah, now that's real talk. We're talk now, that's real talk.

You know, we all we had a meeting out there in l A where we were uh strategizing, you know what I mean, because we all that was at a time where everybody's ship was bubbling, So you know what I mean, I felt like it was a good idea to brainstorm and and like plant the seeds on on how can we take this ship to another level and be uh lay a foundation for those that's gonna come behind us to have access you know what I mean

to some real black owned power. And uh what I think happened, Well, I think, uh we didn't keep it under the radar the way we should have kept it. And and the fits at the time they were they probably had everybody got damn phone tap. Uh, I think they got a whiff or what was happening that And as y'all know, they the motherfucker's hit everybody, you know what I mean, almost like simultaneously, you know, they turned the flame up and uh yeah, that's that's how they ran. Yeah,

you're doing it. And that's scary to think, man, that they got that much power. Because we was talking to a cat um last week on our last show. They used to be in law enforcement. He was telling me how they do that, what's the what's the thing called what they do with the phones, the geo fencing and all that to where they can pretty much luck down

a perimeter here and everything that everybody talk about. Yeah, yeah, no, no, Now it's real, ship, you know what I mean a lot of a lot of people hear this, and and you know, it'd be hard for him to bleed that that the motherfucking operate like this, right. It almost sounded like some easy banker of and Shire to a lot

of niggas that that had. Uh. I don't know how these people really work, so but but it's real, you know what I mean, they worked this way and you know, like in retrospect when you when you look at this, this this clown by the name of Chad Scott, this d A agent that uh that was that was that a night that pulled me over the hand like football painting up on his eyes and and and had an army suit on in a in the cutlass. He was

in the cutlass. So you know what I mean, he had all this ship on and and today with ten years, twelve years or whatnot. After all of that, because you know, as everybody to know my story, you know, I end up talking to congress Woman Maxine Waters, who is out there in California. Now you know, she's an angel to me, right, because none of these politicians out here in Texas, you know what I mean, they would have let they would have they would have sit back and let me die,

you know what I mean. But congress Woman Maxine Waters, uh, you know, had enough part to at least give me because he was my thing, right, my thing was. Okay, it's real clear to me that y'all trying to hit me. So I don't want y'all to be upset if I come out on top, you know what I mean. So I wanted to put this on notice. You know, the best way I possibly could to uh to be able to be free if I came out on top because I understood what you was trying to do for me.

So congress Woman Maxine Waters uh spoke up to me in places, spoke up for me in places where a lot of these you know politicians wouldn't you know what I mean? Because she saw what was about to take place. Thank God for sinces like her. Man. And you know that's that's another thing you talk about. You know, you see Maxine Waters came to your rescue. Man. That's what I always up and talk to these brothers about. Man. We need more leaders to emerge from our community. Man,

whether it's black men or black women. Four situations like that, because right now you know what you figured. We got, you know, minister Ferry con and he's eighty years old. Where's the next to do that? Everybody can't everybody can't be the basketball player, everybody can't be the rapper. Everybody can't go get a podcast. But you can't put yourself, like you said, knowledge of power. You can't put yourself to school man and come back and be a great

service to your community. Yeah, yeah, no, that's real talking man. And again you know what I mean. Uh, you know, she's an angel, you know what I mean. She's she's in her eight is right now, but she got more more more nutst than amn man I ever met, politician wise. You know what I mean, because you know I was in that room when she took a stand and then let them know, Okay, right is right, wrong is wrong, and he ain't by himself, you know what I mean. And I'm not gonna sit back and allow y'all to

execute you know what I mean. This's thing that you know you're trying to do. Because here's a man like this shoemaker guy had like eight to ten bodies. You know what I mean, that he had been down right, This is this is something that's highly unusual for anyone officer to have killed that many people and steal on the situation, you know what I mean, built oh for

so eight you know what I mean. So you know I just happened to uh to figure out how since since I was on the investigation, I decided to investigate them, you know what I mean? Man, And that's something we have to know when you're an investigation. They ain't got to be a one way street, you know what I mean, you can investigate whoever is, you know what I mean, especially if they're trying to funk with you and they're trying to charge you know what your enemy is about?

So how did you do that? How do you investigate the law? I want to know this. How do I mean, how do you start this? Now this is a good ship. How do you investigate the law? The best investigator tapped to the bench one man I forgot his name, but uh yeah, I got the bench one and and bam, I let him know that he is this man that's you know, trying to do this to me. I need to know his history, you know what I mean, because

it's real. It was real clear to me, homing uh from from the messages that he was sending sending me that you know, he wasn't a law Biden citizen, you know what I mean, even being a police right. And this is this is part of of us thinking outside of the boxing. It's a part of being in fear. When when these people are you know, breaking rules and different hit themselves, then we gotta shot a spotlight on them because that's what they're trying to do to us,

put a spotlight on us, to kill us off. Then that's a two way street for those that's not in fear and in bundance. So that slowed the process when you did that, I mean, because they look at us

and they look at us as ignorant. They look at us as ignorant anyway, So for you to have the knowledge to turn to turn the same ship back on them as that they portrayed the youth probably put their ass in shock, because, like I said, that's the first thing they think when they look at brothers from the neighborhoods, they think we're so unintelligent and un uneducated to their laws and what they can do and what they can't do.

They just take us for typical, like I said, under educated brothers to think that we would turn around and turn the flashlight back on a ass in the same manner. What probably was the biggest motherfucking shock and surprise today, ask they ever saw who the funk this motherfucker? I know, we are so used to saying or accepting whatever they

throw at exactly we get pulled over. The first thing they do is asking some stupid ship like you don't know your laws and ship, So you get caught up because the first thing you do is you get intimidated when you see that badge and that gun, because, let's face it, a motherfucker coming out the neighborhood with a racial profile like that, you automatically know these motherfucker's gonna take me down for something or it's gonna be a problem instead of educating itself to know the laws and

the positions that we can be in. So ship, that's like a victory for us and ship learning the game of investing the fucking I can investigate you as a citizen. Fuck it right, you know. And while it got you on you, I gotta ask you about this. Man. You're a person. Man is known man, you know, I got a bunch of was in the soft Man to walk

calm but carry a big stick. And when you put out a courtesy notice to somebody, they tend to pay attention, you know, because you always touch him on the show the first man, exactly when you sit out, you shout out to your son's man. He discovered one of the biggest artists. Man, it's in the game right now, Drake, And you know not, Drake. Ain't it something? As soon as the ones discovered driver Drave his son is the one discovered Draking. You know he took him over the

cash money many my son too though, Yeah Drake your son, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Man. You know one of the biggest artists in the game. Don't never hear his name mixed up in no myths. You can tell you come from good to the lex you know, um you had this another courtesy notice man. You know Mr Williams the bird Man. Yeah he was awaken or sleeping giant, So let me put your bullet don't notice by letting them know. Drake, his family and the week gift from Puffy and should is on my radar.

First of all, Puffy feeling like he can put his hands on my family, open the doors for his family that he touched. You read what your soul and to shook a bath on little Wayne nutseet. Do you know I ride with Dray, so I accept any invitation you want to bring. I'm your worst knife mash knife. By the way, little Wayne is as management is a drawn

wrong and the lawyer there's a thief. So for all of them together, disrespectful little pomp and two babies slim, I were not allowed get to stay on my track record. That cash money took anything from me and my son right by me and pay every pent And dude, I'm not gonna live grass around you. But if it then you clown across me of my family. Mad noons, I'm gonna beat you home. I'm done, Talma done, Tom done. Did he ever resolve that situation? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, that

has been resolved. That has uh uh have ended, you know what I mean. And of course, like like like Birdman Master p you know, Tony Drake on them with my students right them. Them are guys that I inspired, that I you know, share my blueprint with and you know they took ship to different levels, so you know them always been like the homer is and uh you know that was the reason I allowed my son to you know, because that's some ship we could have done right in how but I wanted to see him in

Little Wayne the next generation. Okay, y'all do y'all things, and uh, you know, unfortunately when you when you do things a certain way, you know what I mean, uh, which could be not the best way of doing ship.

You know, I don't, I don't I don't think that Birdman them well, I know they didn't intentionally, No ship was gonna go like it it went where I was concerned, you know what I mean, they had done business prior to my involvement, and I end up coming into a situation where they had, you know, taken what they've taken, and you know, you know, like with with mc hammer, for example, the Home and Ham, I remember him selling all of these means of records on that first album,

and he contemplating he gonna do the same thing on the following one. And sometimes ship don't go that way, right, and you you better like spend all your you know what I mean, paper and different ship thinking oh, this's gonna happen again, so I can I can blow this right. So so when the ship don't happen again, and and

so happened, I have to come in the loop. And you know, ship wasn't right because he had taken this And now you know what I mean, you can't pay me, but but I can't allow that to be no excuse where my my son is concerned, you know what I mean. We gotta, we gotta half hours. So that was a long motherfucking way of answering that question, But yeah, we gotta.

That's funny, that's one of the things that people know because I go when I heard that courtesy, Miss Jo said, Man, this is damn should make me give the phoness in that man a one. You know, Sai, I took a long time to just say, fun, we got our Sometimes like somethi, i't want to you don't want to confuse. Motherfucker's out there because you know how people are twisting

your words up and twist ship up. But you know, because some people just can't take the simplicity in we got what we had to get and that that was just it. People will take that and twisted all into different kind of forms and imaginations and ship and have a motherfucker hanging from trees and motherfucking balconies and ship

just for just a clear discussion. You feel me, you know, And that's an amazing twist, man, because you stepped into two games man that they pretty much you don't see too many people of coloring the CEO C No, you got in the boxing world. Man, when you got into the boxing lane and I said, man, he's really out there doing this thing the box. How did you get into that, bro? Man? Yeah, well, you know boxing always was my first love before the music game. You know

what I mean. I used to I used to watch Don King. I used to I used to watch that ship. I wanted to I wanted to be a fighter when I was when I was younger, you know. And that was one of my reasons I build a recreation boxing gym and all that ship in my hood when I uh, you know what the man got the means to do so. But but that was my first love. Man. And uh, you know, I always been a nigger, even to this day, I exercise prayer, you know what I mean, even in

the midst of inn and everything I've done. A lot of a lot of nigger had a misconception of of a man, you know, being a believer or follower guard some weak about him, right, but some some of the some of the the top profits in the world with gangsters, you know what I mean, ladies down when when they when they had to right. So, so, yeah, you know, I love boxing. I prayed for a champion man it Uson's story. I prayed for a champion and and and set up a meeting with Mike Tyson and Las Vegas.

You know, when he met with Tyson and uh, Tyson embraced me. Tyson new you know about my movement where rapping. I was concerned and uh, you know I've walked straight into the gym watching him spaw. So I'm like, damn, okay this I prayed and asked for a champion. So I'm like, shoot, I'm right here. So me and Tyson leader Jim go to the house and have a meeting. He put his wife at the time on the phone and uh, let him know that he want to work with me. So I left his house thinking I'm on

the management team. But while I'm in that gym with him, Florida Mayweather was you know, it came to me like on two or three occasions, while I'm watching Mike Tyson spaw, Floord Maywether like, hey, yeah, hey Jake, you know I know a boy rapping that man whoo whoof I heard this group? I heard this group. I don't know Floored. You know what I mean. I don't know him. So I'm like, cool, you know what I mean. I'm watching Mike.

Another time he come up me and give me it's nothing, say j if you want to do something later on man on my number, I come get you and woo woo. So long story shot again, I called Mike Tyson. The next day, they didn't cut his phone off. The the jew Boys Shelley Finkel here that I'm getting that Mike Tyson, I'm gonna be on the management team. His whole phone disconnected, so I can't reach him. I can't reach him, So I'm left with Floyd Mayweather number. And I asked the home.

I said, let's just dude right here. He said, it's a hundred and thirty pounds champion. So a red light went off in my here, and I'm like, damn, I prayed for a champion. So long story shot, me and florda Donna deal man less than a week for the next four years. Wow. And that was my aach other stuff working. And you had a situation with that to where you had another dude try to come in and run into ference in the game. You had to make

another courtesy call. We won't talk about that too much, but I heard about that for a few people together. You know, another demonstration got put down. You know what I mean. It's about to take heed to these damn courtesy calls and ship don't get their ass put in what I don't think I made a courtesy call, you know, what I mean, norly. No, only a curtasy call is connected to family. You know, I'll be trying, you know, with family, you try to let him know. A man

do right by exactly, you know. With but with those as you know, some of them, you don't, you know, you just have to, you know, take care of getting this, you know. Other words, that wasn't a call, that was a come and get active. Yeah, that was activated right there. Man. You know what, man, I can't say enough man about you, man, because you signify everything that he was gangster. A lot of people like them, you know, make the interpretations of gangsters.

The dude just running the streets doing dumb shit. You a dude, take care of his family, take care of his friends, don't build the empire through insmountable odds. Even going against somebody that got a ninety eight to synconviction rate, you even undefeated with them. So you are the true definition of gangster. I appreciate that, man, I appreciate that. And before the feeling is new to where y'all concerned,

you know what I mean. I've been knowing E and I know you, homie, I don't I don't, I don't know you, but I saw you. You know what I mean. I saw you back in the day with with the home is and for you to be free and be able to speak the way you're speaking right now, I understand what that means. You know what I mean, because a lot of a lot of us ain't even here to be able to make the transition to even talk about it. Man, right, I gotta I got a question

for you before we go. You were speaking on how how some people think it's weak to praise uh. Now, I grew up thinking that if I used, if I say thank you Jesus or all of that, and it's still bothered me sometime today and and I wouldn't. I wouldn't praise God. I wouldn't utter the word God in my vocabulary. When I was game banking and in prison. Through my prison time, I believed it was a sign of weakness. I did believe that until I realized that that was my way out. So so was it the

same way for you as it will for me? And you just really realized that this is the way out. Because I'm still fighting, like sometimes I get stuck on it and then I'll have my days where I'll be on the phone and I you know, I tell my my my one of my fathers, thank you Jesus. Just you know, God, God got you here. So I mean, I don't know if it's a transition that I'm going through or I just need to stick with it. And man,

it is a great God. So did you have to Yeah? No, no, that was It definitely was a process, you know what I mean, Like like I exercise prayer all the way through in the midst of all of that ship you're talking about. You know what I mean. I never I understood that that was a source of strength, you know what I mean. I never, I never was mixed up to the extent where I didn't know who he was.

You know, I understand that everything is controlled by Him and everything a matter of fact, every blessing come from him. So I understood that there as the creators in control. But what what I what I done though, in in my my journey, I strayed away and purposely didn't want to hear it because what it would do to me is is give me a conscious where I know I didn't need to have a conscious so so so I

purposely it wasn't that I didn't know the truth. I just purposely deviated and say, oh I can't I can't hear none of that right now, because that can cause

me to lose my very life. This is how I'm thinking as a you know what I mean, because I'm We're in the jungle, right We're in the jungle, and a lot of times you don't have time to feel sorry about nothing to even you know, think that where you train yourself and you program your your mind and different things that be hardness to do, dumb ship a lot of times. But what I understood, uh, during my transition, what my awakenings was, Oh, this is the strength, this

is the truth, this is the light. You know what I mean. This is connected to everything I want to be, everything I want to become, and how to get there. So you know what I mean. It's bundance to um to think that something weak about you know, the one that control it all, man ship that I love that. You know. I've been knowing you for a long time, you know what I'm saying. I've been seeing you since my RAPP career started. Uh, You've always been inspirational, you

know what I'm saying. You give brothers the hope that you know we can become something other than you know, gang bangers and drug slanders, you know what I'm saying, entrepreneurs and and just just just just growing in you know what I'm saying, handling their business, looking out for the neighborhoods, and becoming inspiring. So that's all I wanted to shake, just coming from me and where I come from, compy growing up. You know Raby Records with a big

inspiration to shift. I wanted to design to rap a lot. Yeah, you know. Likewise, man, I wanted your ads too, you know what I mean. You know what I mean. I wanted you man. And here's the here's the truth, man, Like like, we're the most brilliant niggas. I believe in the in the world. You know, street niggas, We're the most brilliant niggas. I'm chating like I've been on other side. I deal with them, street nigga. We're the most brilliant niggas in the world. It's just about you know, applying

our gifts. You know, we gotta have the discipline to apply with gifts in corporate America, man, and and and and and and if the truth be told, they don't tick like we tick. They don't have the stamina, the whole Uh, they don't have the heart that we have from the ship we come through, you know what I mean.

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