EP 75: Killa Cali w/ Greg Kading

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Go to Apple Podcast, subscribe, rate, leave a comment. You know California is the land of sunshine, beaches and palm trees, but it has a dangerous underbelly and two thousand nineteen and State of California lad the Country of murders with one thousand, six d ninety in l A. We've seen the murder of Tupox You Corp. Followed by the murder of New York's notorious b I G. Seven as a recent Los Angeles rapper Nipsey Hustle as well. He was brutally gunned down in front of his Marathon clothing store.

And we saw a rise in New York rapper Pop Smoke murdered in the home invasion. He was only twenty years old. Joining us to night, we have former l APD detective author of murder Rapped untold story the Biggie Smallest Tuthpox to Corps murder investigation. Mr Greg Katie, Are you doing man? You know it's a lot of California. Man's one of those deceptive places. Man is beautiful out here, the palm trees, the beaches of weather. But we leave the country of murders. Man. I didn't know that until

you just said, yeah, I did that research. I did research that. Man. We are leading the country of murders. It's a lot of people to get out back on top. It's because of the pandemic. It seemed like it got worship. You know, when we was on lockdown, you had people out at three o'clock in the morning doing drive abouts. What the hell? Yeah, that's some crazy ship right there. And for us to be back on for us to be back on top ship, you know, because the way ship is right now and you are you here as

the youngsters in in shy town. Uh to hear that we're back on top with the murders is crazy, It's it's fun. Yeah. Well, you gotta remember that's the state of California as a whole. You and you encompass Oakland and San Francisco, l A, San Burns. You know, that's everywhere, So you know it's a big status. It's a dangerous place, man, and we could take it back. Man. Uh. Two, when you went to had the notorious B I G investigation correct and my after the murder? You know I didn't

get involved in that until two thousand and six. What did you see with that? Man? What do you think the whole thing was that you think it was? I know, we obviously never cut who did it, and I don't even know if we did who did it if it's even worth talking about now? Um, what are your thoughts on that? Man? Well? I think that what happened is

a combination of things. First of all, back in when it was when it was initially being investigated, I don't think that the guys that were involved at lap d Um fully understood the culture within the music, and they understood the gang you know, a component of it all. But they just had so much trouble breaking through that barrier of that you know, you don't don't talk, don't snitch type of thing. And that was the case so

often in Los Angeles and James Knows and Compton. Those gang homicides are really tough to solve, and you know, sixties s those homicides don't get solved just because of that you know, you know, don't tell all culture, and that was one of the barriers that they that they faced and trying to figure out what happened to the dead and you know, not to be the dead horse man.

Do you think that was in the retaliation man for the murder of Biggie, not for pot for pop for saying absolutely positively, I can honestly say I was there. And the tension that the the way people felt when Tupac died, the way I felt, I think, you know, at that time, being active and then somebody get killed on your watch isn't much. You ain't got a choice but to retaliate. And when Park was killed, it was so crazy. How Honey is gonna get to New York

and get these fools. We just gotta wait till they come back. They can't come back to California. But Bam, Biggie is in California doing I'm going back to Cali. You should have never came out of here. He had no business out here at all. So it was it was an opportunity for payback. And and both of those dudes lost their lives just on some bs because everybody know should was on some bullshit and Puffy was on some bullshit and they were still communicating with each other,

was so called in the cut. And some of the homies knew that, but didn't Nobody wanted to do nothing about that. And I think it was best and it benefited both of them because you had the South Side and the mob thing exactly, you know what I'm saying. And they both benefited off of that. And you know, when them guys came to Compton, they went straight to

to the South Sides. They went over there with with little keeping them and Big Keith and all of those other guys and they were like bodyguards from you know what I'm saying. So it was just a crazy It was a crazy thing because like I told him when when they jumped Orlando, this little cat is a hitter, you know what I'm saying. And in tupunction that never got got in it. Eight is it is it rapper? He should never have to get out there when he paying people to watch his body. If anybody get close

to eight, snatch him, you know what I'm saying. That didn't happen here. They treated Park like he was one of the homies getting high drinking and these are the consequences of it. So, uh, both sides didn't do what they were supposed to do. They got both sides got colt shit. Is it that you know jane Us being

from you know, gaglers and ship like that. In the feeling of it when Pox showed up, did did did y'all feel like because of Sugar, you know, getting him out and all that when he started claiming a mob or whatever that y'all feel like he was like, just that's the all thing home. No, I was, I was one because the hood was the hood to me. Exactly. I man, I did the good that you feel about. I was. I was the game. Remember, And you have

somebody coming here. I don't care where you from. You didn't you didn't run this term you went around here, You didn't get down like that. You wouldn't known the block. So Tupac I didn't accept that. And and he shouldn't have never been from the hood. He's an artist, you know what I'm saying. He's he's he's here to make money. And once once, once you lose their head, and then the money's over. And once Tupac died, every now everybody is bam bam, bam bam, everybody gone because she ain't

got to no more. Now she is doing you know, the drugs and the drinking and all this. I never seen that dude drink or do nothing. But now he didn't turned into it, you know what I'm saying. So when Tupac put the neighborhood on him, I was furious. Man, I was furiated because chick, I don't care who you think you are. I'm known you here. How are you gonna tell this dude he can put the hood on him. You ain't got it on you. You know what I'm saying,

So the whole thing was out of line. And then you know, just to have that man come in from where he was and then and then start game thing, and it don't work like that. So I never accepted it. I didn't hang with him. I didn't kick it with him, because if I did that, I accept him as one

of the homies. And I couldn't do that. And the rabbit holes certainly gets deep in that case, man, because you have accusations of Puffy being paid a certain amount of money, to Puffy paying a certain amount of money to execute this thing, this revenge thing, because you know, Pop was making the songs and he was really going at him, so it got real person with a point. And when some of those songs came out, I said that, I said, man, somebody might die because this don't sound

like no normal rep Fueld type of stuff. You know what I mean, exactly serious, it's got it got serious. I think, in my opinion, after jacob Old out in Atlanta, you know when they had beef out there, and that's where's there's no turning back right exactly. So I think that might have been the first time where blood was actually spelled over this, over this uh beef when uh

Puffy's guy Wolf shot Jake. And then you know you can't turn it back after that because a matter of fact, there's a witness, there was a ton of interesting a witness that uh that that scene had heard, should say had heard, should say to uh Puff, you took something precious from me. I'm gonna take something precious from you. And you know that could mean a lot of different things. But now that we see Big get killed, maybe it plays into that hole. I'm we're gonna get even for

what you just did to Jake. Yeah, and then of course Tupac happens and makes it holds down what Tupac shouldn't have happened. Pool a little liquor and roll something up the gun stood chronicles, We'll be right back gotten damn it. This is og gangst Granny and y'all tuned into the Gangster Chronicles on the Black Effect podcast network. Never turn off my goddamn Greens, you'll bet and I burned up my ship. Hey, motherfucker's that shouldn't happen. You

got fifteen seventeen eighteen bloods right there. You know what I'm saying? And if if your job is to protect him and show then that's what you're supposed to do. Tupac and I say this all the time, people get mad. Tupac didn't even know who Anne was, never been in Comforting to day in his life, never hung the South Side. It ain't like the who had had pictures of motherfucker's who they wanted. So why the fund you walking up to a dude he don't know, one of the homies.

Just that's it right there. No, you're a game, so you go get him. Now, That's what I should have said. But him trying to prove himself and talking about it, he with it. He went over there and handle this business. And those guys knew that that little dude was with the business he was he was a hitter. Oh no, he was a hitter. Yeah, not truly. Think if he would have been any one of those guys that have wouldn't in sock down. They would have wait until he went back to comp And I don't think it would

have been that thing. I think, yeah, not is a game back? Yeah, because I think like this, you know Orlando here hit any think this here man. By the time this ship get back to l a they would have the park whoop my ass that he don't did this and this. He was like this motherfucker gotta go in his mind, you know. He basically any any anybody that's with it, that's on the streets and doing a name. You gotta look at your reputation. What people perception is

that of a certain situation. Oh, London woods Man, niggd Rapper took off on me. Now the moble south Side had squabbles on Long Beach numerous times, exactly A Linda would have understood that squabble. Did he take fitteen cats to jump him like that? No, only the hood didn't get down like that. But when Tupac was called, everybody high and everybody drunk food, they mond him. Now, y'all didn't leave me laying there. So let me gather my folks and this old bloods and cribs whoever. If you

got that mentality, I'm going to come get you. I'm gonna catch you. Bagas ain't that big when everybody was in the same spots and she Compton ain't that big here, So get back to the it's coming, it's coming. So and everybody knew where they were going. Exactly that night. It was like, well, you have to be right down the street if you're looking at these guys. They came to six six too at first before when children was already at the fights, they came and pulled up at

six six too. But they knew if they had tried something six six too, they'd have been in Trump. We was already ready for whatever a week pride to that they was talking about they was coming. My daughter mother was was on it. You watch yourself. They're talking about they coming and shoot up six Now, it was so many metros up there, pathetic, so they weren't gonna try nothing there. So when they went to the fight, that's

when it all happened. After the fight was over, and and Orlando, they called him by herself standing there by myself because it is over two function. I never did what he did. So it seems like the premise deal was a California for in your period as a whole. And I'm gonna ask you, Greg as a police officer, it seems like everything else he was built on refunge, Like they did this to me, and I'm like, we let it go. They have to go. I wouldn't look at it as I really revenge. It's from as long

as I was gang banging. We never looked at it as revenge. It was just the code of of of retaliation, of of what you do. They hit us, you hit them. This revenge, ain't it. He didn't look at it like that you look at it like, man, there's no He looked at it like like this is the code like it was never like the suggestion we think your revenge on these motherfucker's novel it's what you fucking do. Somebody come through blasting or jumped the HOMEI or do whatever.

If you didn't was more of fucking you think it is his buster. Y'all didn't go back and the niggas jumped on and it didn't even have to be a fucking dry And that played a big part with the South Side because if they didn't go and do what they have to do, then they have been looked at like that. Puffy would have been like, man, they wove your nephew, and y'all more fuckers didn't do nothing. I'll

get away from much, yall winnies. People on the outside look at it in the perspective of or some revenge ship. You know, they killed his friend. Now they're going back to kill him. We looked at it as a ship. That's what you do when you start banging and claiming they they need Maybe then it seems a little bit more words an emotional respond exactly where what you're talking about and send me is more of like this is the business of it. This is just an end back

in the day. I'll compone in them. One of these people get killed the liquor get took him. They didn't looking ship like a yeah, we're gonna get revenge on him. This is what you do. They hit him, just turn to go hit there. And if you don't, Yeah, if you don't, then you you might as well fucking you. You're supposed to be the boss and you didn't go

take that motherfucker. M yeah exactly. And in that culture, reputation is everything, exactly because if you don't take revenge, you got these other people looking like, man, I don't, but they're gonna come try to take your place, then replace you. They're gonna replace you. You. So we got this whole thing, and it seemed like to me, the one that was just the most innocent of the ma all it kind of got caught in the cross fire.

I was bigger the same way, you know, Like I really like when Biggie died because I met him a couple of times before and this before he got big. I saw him the Princess Club laying slam out that a couple of shows would be and he was a cool dude. It's like I remember, because he didn't seem like no celebrity type of dude. He was just real kick back with with all of this ship that was going on. Do you honestly shaving Biggie was that chand y'all keep me out of this. No, but I ain't

got no listen. I think he's both riding with the bad Boy. Well you gotta remember this year he was riding with bad Boy. But at that time, Biggie wasn't calling those shots like that to connect this done and get this and and I think he was just playing his role. He was went bad Boys, and he was just kind of one of the things. He was just he was there. I mean, from from the perspective of hip hopping music, it didn't look like his influence was

was much on the fuck that ship. But behind closed doors, you never know what somebody is saying, they're probably sitting there like the niggas too, because I know for us too. I know for a fact, Man Hawk was running up and he ran up in Faith. I know that for a fact because you know, I used to run with psych Okay and he told me that she was at the hotel. And I guess Pap was standing some kind

of hotel and she was up there frequently. And you know, he came in the room one day, you know, when he says she was in the bed, hair frazzled up like she's got fits. So you're thinking his wife's getting knocked down by its enemy, you know, so you never know what we'll see it behind closed doors. You just never know. I would have been mad, But uh, I don't know. I ain't gonna talk about Faith. I don't

know where and what she did with Pockets. Her and Pockets cool and and probably was one of them nights when she was to up and should happened, but he accepted her back and they was doing anything. A female is good emotional over ship, you get what I'm saying. Who who knows what the situation is? But I don't look at that as a fucking, fucking a bit cheat

on sheet on you. You know, I don't think that's gonna lead to you know, a dude in that position, Well, it's a combination of things you gotta do talking bad about you. He knocked your woman down and he just pretty much smashed the humiliy. Don't make me want to kill a motherfucker. That's two weeks of the call. That's kind of killer nigga. I don't kill a nigga because the motherfucker and did some evil ship they're coming after us. That's just like I mean, I know, it's a same clicity.

You're back in the days niggas. You know, some niggas will get killed over bitches in the neighborhoods. But being in the position of fucking hip hop dude and you know, publicity and whatever, I don't think that bit you fuck the mothercker. I'm gonna gonack motherfucking too. Hey, James Still and eight, I need yo to tell me what the word on the streets is. What the hell is going on? Ship? Where are you at? This is og Gangster Granny and

the Gangster Chronicles podcast is back in effect. Get ready for some of that g ship and blaze up some wannameraw, it's not gonna be to the point of because that's their mentality. I don't know what their mentality is from New York. I know what that lady niggers would do, what conting niggers do. Now we just got that fucking mentality. I don't give a fuck. Well and and and this

is the bottom line to big in Tupac. Everybody knew what's happening, everybody knows who killed who, and yet nobody went to jail behind it because I think politics plays a big part. Even with your investigation and what you

did and then putting it out there. I want to Australia with it and listening to no the last one we did when I when I came, when you had to debate how people I want to twist a story, how people want to take credit for something, how people uh want to be mad over certain issues and they just jumped aboard on the situation or or this and that happened. If you got the actual facts or what really is going on and documents showing what happened like

you had, people still don't care. They still don't want to hear it, and people still want to talk about digging in Tupac when and those dudes are gone, They're gone and people should let them douse. Risks PPD put a book out and said told basically told the story. Did you believe that he was being like like, yeah, well, I know he has been her percent truthfold when I interviewed him, because there was no there was no motivation to life. Once he started to kind of tell the

story a little bit different. I mean, it's the same narrative for all intent and purposes, but he did change a couple of little things. I think when he put his book out he said, yeah, Pocles going for a gun. Right.

Of course, he never mentions that with us because we know that didn't happen, But he wants to build in a self defense so that if he gets wrapped up on something, he can say, hey, man, this dude had you know, in his mind he's trying to either justify it or build in a defense, going, well, the dude was going for a gun in Orlando. Shot self defense. Blah blah blah. It's a bunch of bullshit, but it's still the same story. Or Land o'keefee and the two boys were in the car and they shot killed pot Um.

So yeah, I feel like he's telling the truth for all, you know, for the most part of you know, you have that situation. Man, they just you know, put a black guye and with things. Man, when you were working at homicide, man, what was the main premise behind the presuy of the murders? Man? Was it revenge? Was it uh, retaliation? Jealousy? Crimes of passion? Which one would you say was the biggest influence. Well within within the gang investigations, it was

always back to just street business. It was just like these guys are saying, you know, it's just back and forth and back. Just occupational hands, just occupational hazard. But there were a lot of those that did happen over over some girls. You know, there's some squabbles over a girl, she gets in the middle of something. Next thing, you know, these guys are shooting and killing each other. Um, a lot of us dope related. You know, he's holding their

territories and stuff like that. And then of course a lot of homicides were domestic, you know, So it all depends on what kind of you know, atmosphere we're talking about with these murders and a lot of prostitutes get killed, occupational hazard and uh so it just really kind of depends on what we're talking. So being a uh you know, join them the cops, whatever, do you feel being an officer that some cases were investigated differently than a lot

of minority homicides or l a counton or whatever. Were their different approaches or effort put into different cases. So yes and no. Like the the intent to solve it, he's always there, you know. That's what a homicide investigator wants to solve his cases. You know, he wants to build his resident I want to be known as a guy that can solve cases. I care about him because I want to solve them either because it's you know it,

it reflects on how good I am as an investigator. Um, most of us are empathetic towards the victims, even if they're gangsters. We care about the families and the moms and the sisters and wives and all of that. So we do. However, to the flip side of that point is the resources they go into a high profile murder or some kid from USC who's playing football versus a guy down and who got shot for linker starts the resources. Then the oftentimes all the difference, you know, because these

investigations get really expensive. So who would be killed? Big Tony the pimp, He should gonna go in the cold cases because you know, we're trying to saw this ship. Yeah, they got pill the book a badass for us. So I mean it's like they pick and choose what what we really need to go after? Who we really If this guy killed the five year old girl and reaped the five year old girl, we gotta get him off the street, right opposed to us killing each other and

just mane each other on the round. So it's basically these is gonna keep happening. But this cat crossed the line raping and killing the fire your child, them in the pedophiles. We got to get off of there. Regardless how many of these cases we saw, they're gonna keep coming. And you know, there's victims and then there's truly any victims.

Victims part if you're a gangster and you're in that game and you're putting yourself into a situation where you're likely to get killed, you're contributing to that, you know. So so I like a kid who's you know, walking home from school and gets hit by straight boy and I never understood that part um pain is pain. I didn't understand that until my brother Alexon died. Uh, the face I saw my mom's, the the way my sister

and them cried. I mean my mom my mom pain was like she was just straight wounded, you know what I'm saying. And it was like, damn, mona. Was there nothing I could say? And I just had to sit there and think, like, damn, it's just what I do. The people, just the reaction the families get, so you gotta look at it. It's the mama's, the unties, the the babies, the girlfriends. You affect maybe a thousand lives just by one one person, you know what I'm saying.

And then we do this over the course of our lives. And then when it hit home, you're like, damn, it's it's definitely not a victimous crime because I couldn't know. I'm imagine losing the child, and I like, you gotta think about this. No matter what that person is doing, whether he a pamp, gangster or whoever, there's somebody out to the love that dude. There's somebody out that the love that woman, you know, So it's definitely and That's why I think I wanted to talk about it so much.

We have been talking about over the past two days, just talking about this. A lot of unnecessary violence out here, and I think, and I don't even feel a shame seeing this. I think it's black and black crime. It's just worse than anything else. I think black people do each other worse than any other. Like, I think we're the biggest threat to each other, you know, bigger than

any police officer, bigger than anybody else. It's just like, because when you grow up in these poverty stricken neighborhoods and ghettos, and you know, mama on the county getting county checks and motherfucker's don't be seeing. It's no hope. And then so the first thing you do is go join the gang and you start serving and doing all that ship, and that's your fucking mentality. It's like, Okay, that's my brother, that's my brother. But I wasn't taught

that ship. But being from the being, being from the neighborhood, you know why, I can only speak for me. I took the hood over family my possible ship, you know what I'm saying. And once that once that cat was out the picture. It was the hood. It was it

was the homes too. Took that place that they filled that boy for me and watching the older guys, the only way you're gonna survive and making in the hood is too start paying attention toward's real they're going on, and how to react and what fights you pick and choose. And it just made it easier going home at night and going to sleep, but then wake up at Craig and dawn and and get that beer and you're back in the hood doing your thing. That was my comfort zone,

you know what I'm saying. So everything that came with being a game member, a lot of cats didn't get it. A lot of cats didn't get it. A lot of people thought a lot of game bankers thought that robbing, snatching purses and and and all that that extra ship was a part of being a gang member. That's not

a part of being a game member. Being a part of the game and being a gang banger is winning your colors to be recognized and to be ready for war, and that that that sets you different from everything else out there. If you want to go bring in the house, that ain't praying on the people that that ain't game members. I hated that type of ship because that's not what game banging was about, you know what I'm saying, snatching the old lady person you need to get your ass for.

But more fockers was out there doing their thing that way. And then come back in the hood down they're sagging their pants and they did, and they that it's just so different, you know what I'm saying. But the purpose of being it don't change the fact that that the ship that we did and the things that I know I destroyed, you know, being a game member down there's

something totally different. And as you get older, you you're you're looking at ship like man, you know what I'm saying, And I think, I think God that that I've seen it. After Alton was killed, I don't seen a whole lot of the homies die. I didn't have him die. My arm Kenny tell us, I mean, I watched them tickets last brother, But it was nothing like my brother. Seeing my brother at a gas station laying there full of holes.

And when we got in the hospital and seeing this ship and and his eyes still open and they won't let me touch him through a nutty This is mine, right, here. You know what I'm saying, I've never been in a situation like that, so it was totally different. And what kind of interesting It just goes back to we're saying like there was a business, but until it wasn't just

business exactly. We all gotta understand there's a flip side to what we're doing, and that usually it takes you that direction, the high road or the lower brand feeling. It's always that decision. Yeah, you know, and what percentage of those cases going solved? Because I think you know, I see Mothers on TV and you will hear about the detective solved in the case for twenty years agoing

to Mama's just crying like it's yesterday. I think it's that sense of closure, that feeling of closure, you know, like Okay, this guy's go be punished for what he did. I don't know if it's death, because when that guy goes to jail, you still go feel it don't bring nobody back. What do you think is that you being around that situation? Man? What do you think the parents go through? Do you think people go through a lot?

They go through a lot of mental anguish Man, When did you guys decide to say this is enough, like we can't do nothing, We can't find these guys. Never really over with yet. Well, you know, we we try to exhaust every avenue of investigation. We try to, you know, you use every resource available and exhausted until it either goes cold, where you've done everything you can, you just can't make it work. You can't get all the you know, puzzle pieces to make a picture and see your stuck um.

At other times, other things get involved. You know, you get there's there's you know, there's there's legal parameters and in obstacles that you have to overcome. You could sit and have really you know what happened. You know that maybe that confession was illegally obtained. Now you can't prosecute that guy, and so there's it's it's very complicated um scenario. But ultimately, you know, the game things were the hardest because of just this culture of the people that knew

what happened aren't going to tell you what happened. They're gonna nobody is saying nothing them. It's nest has always been in every neighborhood, even in Cleveland where we didn't have a gag thing back then. But I heard it's different. I heard they've got gangs up there. And though even that was young, you was always talked to mind of your business. You don't open your mouth up about nobody's stuff,

you know what I mean. So something happened, if you know the rudy depend on the corner shot, somebody shot a trick. You was always talking. I didn't see nothing. I don't know what. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm not talking to you. You You don't even want to in my neighborhood. You didn't even want to be seen talking to the police, you know. I mean, the guy had is no pad off back in the day. You don't want to be seen talking to because you can

wind up in a dick somewhere. So if if somebody shot your mom in front of you, and and and killed your mama right in front of you, and the police asked you who did it, what you're gonna tell don't I'm not gonna say. I'm saying I don't know because I'm not gonna kill that motherfucker myself. I don't know who did it. I want to go handle this myself, because I do think it's a such thing as hood justice. I don't want him to go kich. So it ain't revenge.

Oh that's yeah, deficially, I'm killing my mom. It's like a motherfucker, it's still revenge. I don't kill y y'all flipsis. I didn't tell Gregg. I don't know who did it. I'm gonna go get me the biggest pistol of the fun and go. If I can't get him, I'm gonna probably hear everybody else around them. I'm gonna make him feel the pain you're talking about, mama. You know in

a lot of way that that's true justice. And when you think about Orlando killing Tupac and you think about poo, you're killing big You know, they didn't go jail and sit there for years. They got killed on the streets in the same way that they know exacted their own sense of justice on And so you've got this situation like for me, that's perfect justice is an eye for an eye. You kill somebody, you need to get killed yourself. That's how it works. Is that had to be. And

there's biblical like to keep one wish that's biblical. It's like, I'm not bothering nobody, Mama own, but if you come text one of mine to bring the whole own reason Trojans and Smartens and all the motherfucker's ship you kill the motherfucker and coming with a thousand ships about I got an honest question, Greg, George Floyd, do you think there's racism is a two part racism in the police

depart racist police officers in the police department? And did you think what that officer did to George Floyd just sitting on his nick was right? No, I can't say that I think it was right. Um. I think that there was a lot of contributing factors. Though I don't think that that in and of itself is what got George killed. But I think that there was other things going on physiologically obviously that I was on his neck way too long, But there was a lot of things

that contributed to that death. The whole thing was just an extremely unfortunate situation. Um. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know shopping. I think this is the pronunciation and you know, I don't know what that guy's perspective is on race. So I don't know that man, So I can't speak for him. Obviously, we can speculate or he must be racist because he's kneeling on the neck. But I don't know. I can't I want to elaborate

on that. I want to take a little bit. I don't know the man, and I don't want to elaborate on that. Okay, cool, Well we're gonna take a break right now. We'll be back with more Gangster chronicles in a minute. And we're back with more Gangster chronicles. You have something to say before the brigade? Um, I want to elaborate on the what James was saying earlier about,

you know, the George Floyd thing. And my thing is, do you feel, as being a former officer, how do you feel about how uh you're assigned to different areas? You know, how does the process go that gets you to patrol minority areas as opposed to going somewhere like Beverly Hills or whatever. So how is that, you know, uh played out? Because I feel that sometimes you should evaluate the officers and get the try to figure out

who should work certain areas. You should see who has the tolerance to deal with motherfucker's like I used to be as a youth for James or whatever, because let's face it, you send a white guy to the area where it's a gang of black niggas and ship like that, it's gonna be uprest unless there were certain cops that could come through the neighborhood that we knew that we're cool as opposed to here comes so and so you

know we're fitna get fucked with. So how does how does that work to where you know a motherfucker might have a certain attitude towards but then they elect to patrol this area. All right, So I can only speak as it applies to mp D because that's my experience. Um, it's it's relatively random. What you what you do is you put in a wish list for where you want to work. A lot of us, including myself, you know, we wanted to work the places that the we're the

most action was just because that's the most exciting. I want to go where things are happening because I want to learn more and have more opportunities to get engaged with, you know, police work. I don't want to work in a sleepy area and you know, sitting around waiting for a burglar alarm to go off. Some of its ladies cats, and you know, I wanted to go and learn and be you know, I want to do go and engage, not in a bad way that I wanted to go

somewhere where police work was active. And uh, but to your question, it's random. You put in a wish list. I put in like I want to work Southwest seventy seventh and Newton Division. I ended up in a new division in South Central, but all three of those divisions I put in, we're south Central, and it was just because that's where most of the action was happening. And as a job, it's more exciting just and honestly it's

it's more exciting and so you're more challenged. You get you know, you have an opportunity to really see what you're made of, Like how am I going to behave and reacting these kind of different environments that I that I wasn't exposed to as a kid. But it's not in a nefarious way. It's they're just because I want

to go and learn and so. But I can also to your point though, because I think I know where you're kind of going with this, Man, I'm telling you some of the African African American cops that I work with, they were vicious, probably worse than the Yeah, so you know,

it's a really it comes down to the individual. And then that's kind of strange, you know, James, because I was trying to elaborate on the George Floyd thing and shaving and you know, the next situation, and it was obvious you was angry to be in that particular area of patrolling. This is this is what I believe. I think at the end of the day, before you start your ship till me if I'm wrong. My my thing

is to come home. But that sets it off as soon as you get in that car and you don't know what you're gonna face today on the beach, you know what I'm saying. So you got some officers, all officers ain't really equipped for it because everybody got a little fear in them when certain things happened, and when when certain things happened, you're not thinking just like us, you know what I'm saying. But at the end of the day, I'm gonna do my job and I want

to go home. But what happens if you get into situation of shooting or or just because that one person had a gun and a lot of cats are being shot because there's no, ain't no morning shots. We're gonna popped his mother because we ain't gonna give me a chance to shoot us. I'm going home at the end of the day to my wife. So just like when I was speaking about Eric Barradon, he came. He was in the neighborhood, he was working at the pool. He was being pumped, you know what I'm saying. And now

he's a police officer. Now he has a grudge against those that that was punking him. So now, being a top I got action to get back at him. And then you see that mentality. The mentality is like you said, it's random. I could choose them any fucking wearing patrol. I'm going back there because I won't be able to funk with mother. So again and that no what what what happened? I was in a situation. It was a shooting, and my stupid as you know, I ain't looking back

and this and that they were. I'm in a turn of lane and catch drove up. We in the situation. He's two cars behind me and when when they seen it, we hit it. We hit the left. They came right afterwards. But bye, But now I'm in jail and it's all these police officers in the hold of tank, and they said, oh yeah, I just caught him. Read had to move. You ain't called me doing ship. So he went big on me, but by me knowing Eric, you ain't evenna hit me, mother funker. I don't even get me his cop.

And it was fortunate for me that Reggie right was there, senior and grabbed me and set my ass down. Do you know that? For the whoop your ass up in here? And and he had action at that because it's just me and jail faced with all these other police officers, but just me being me, I had to lash back at it. You know what I'm saying, because I know Eric is a weenie. You know what I'm saying. But the badge, how do you like? I can do what I want to do? Now I can't get So I

was faced. The tables turned on me because now in your cor he's not a lifeguard, he's a police officer. He's with his game now. Okay, So now he got asked to take everything that I've been to him and get your pa and he hadn't. I can do that. So it's I know for a fact that it's police officers out there that are are nervous of their jobs, So why pick to patrol what? You know? Motherfucker's That's actually a great point, and I think if there is

reform that is probably you gotta do that. You you should never be on the work where you are going to be encountering people that you got a pure group against that you know you shouldn't. That's what I'm saying. He took it a point like one. He became a cop. He know when our greedy and he is over there. He grew up over there. He made a deep at to fucking choice and when I put this badge on, I want to patrol there. So but then again, so

I'm just kind of probably gonna second guest. I remember working with this guy named Andy Thedford, and he grew up in the neighborhood that he patrolled, and he was a fantastic officer, and he just saw generations of kids, you know, over his thirty year career. And because he knew his neighborhood and he knew a lot of these kids, that's what made him so good is because he had an insight that guys like me could never have had, really, right, So it's kind of a double edged sword because you

know you're going back. Yeah, you can have beef with people and try to get even using your badge and your gun in your authority. At the same time, maybe the best guys somebody who understands those neighborhoods better than anybody else, which which is good. But he used to

get his asks. It's not because exactly getting talked. Now, what if he would have caught me on a bad night walking through the apartment at loss and then he pulled me over and then he got me right there when they go if he's shoot and killed me, this is morb James. This guy is look at his record him so everything is gone. It's justified. It's justified. So my life didn't mean at this point because now here

my history is catching up with me. I'm facing a cat that I used to get your bit sit your bitch now, y'all gonna go, you know what I'm saying. And then now here he is, he can do whatever he wants to me, you feel me. So my whole point is that you have police officers that that that I'm scared when they get out there, they and the flowing just like mine everybody is pumped up. Do they have that that that Okay, I can handle the situation.

I know how to handle this situation now. Like Reggie Wright Singer, He've been in a whole bunch of situations. Half the catch put their ship down and you got me red, you know what I'm saying. But the ones that done with my ass, I'm not giving up to them. I can't surrender to them because I know what's going to happen now that up guy beat up so many times in the back of the police car or bent over that car so many times. Oh he ain't benna catch me. He ain't gonna let him get me, you

know what I'm saying. But all police officers ain't bad, and you're a prime example of that. But people don't know, you know what I'm saying, just like they didn't know that area's out here now. But everyone's getting pumped Did we put him in the situation? But they don't know that he's going where Catch used to do him like this, you know what I'm saying. And nobody would never know. If I want to told the story about the ones in the neighborhood exactly, this white killed him. James got

killed because was scared of him and James Ship. But what your police officers, you know what I'm saying, And my question, greg is and I don't want you to I don't want to put you out there like that to say. I want you to say it. It's all police officers good to be on the force. Do you think that every police officer has that training to be

on the streets. Well, it's certainly not. I mean, you look back at some of the examples of guys that just within the LAPD that should never have had badges, that David Max and the Raphael Presis and the people that just had no business doing that, but you know, they were there. And we've got to deal with the

fact that it's the fallible. It's a it's a human institution, and there's valiability, and you're gonna have bad seeds, you know, And unfortunately, in that profession, you just can't afford to have bad seeds because there's so much at stake. And you know so, but it's it's never gonna be a perfect equation. We can't have robots, we can't get people out there that can you know, and and and you

and and fear is a big factor. And you know you brought up you were an environment where being around guns and violence and stuff, you could tell their fear because you're exposed to it. They have cops that aren't exposed to that. All of a sudden encountering that and that fear goes, you know, through your veins, and so maybe you overreact. It's not necessarily out of like it's

some bad intention. It's just you overreact with situation that you're not fully equipped to deal with because you didn't grow up in an environment where guns and violence and ship like that with second nature, And now you did. That's just like one of the war. You know, I didn't want to be here, but I'm here, this is my job. And then now I'm faced with gang members

with with guns. I don't know what they got in this car, and and I truly believe if I was a police officer, I'm gonna walk to the car with my hand on my gun because I don't know. That part is understandable. But you gotta know when the time is right. If you're not ready for the time is right, That's why a lot of us is getting killed. You know what I'm saying. Me and Reggie had an issue

with how police do certain things. When when you say I didn't want to speak, I don't, I don't ask questions made you feel if you don't, if you tell me something like that, I'm gonna get mad. And now you don't pitch me off. Now I'm gonna do this and that to you. Now I want to search your card, whether you've got license, insurance or whatever. Now I'm gonna pull you out and treat you a different kind of way. So it's basically, if you ain't kiss in my asses, yes, certainly,

no shirt. We're gonna have a bad day. Now, what happens when you run into that one police officer that that's having a bad day and come to work because he mattered his wife? You in trouble? Are you just running to a game manner that you really feel like, I don't care no more. It's like I look at the whole situation with police like this is they they still human beings, just like you got asshole that might live the next door to you, and he might be

the grocery manager. You grocery manager, ass So that same dude come a cop. He's a cop that as so now you're doing and I think whenever you have that human element, you always go have some kind of room for error, because, like you said in the rodbots, like um they talked about in the l A County you know, um Shaff Department, that it's a game there called executioners. There's a big game there. And apparently this guy aust Berthrow Gonzalez, you know, he had knowledgely he put it

an anonymous hip. This dude, we're doing some bad ship. He gets a text on his phone, there's a picture of the words he's a snacks on the wall. So now he's scared for his life because he came and dropped the dime. Do you think that this? And I don't know if you could talk about that, it's not great because I don't know, you've got a cold. You steal the police officer, you can be you know, telling them nobody. But how big is that in the law

enforcement like gangs and stuffing from the police department. Well, I wouldn't for me because that turn gangs is a specific thing. You know, there's a definition for gangs and it doesn't apply under these situations. And so let's say groups, Yeah,

so there are groups. So there are these cliques or brotherhoods or these you know, these kind of fraternal um type of mentalities, they definitely exist and just like they do in the military, and you know, so we do kind of align ourselves under this life when we listen, I got your back. We're gonna be in this together. We're facing all these you know, these these uh different situations. But it's not they're not gangs because the gangs means

a particular thing to me. Right there's a definition for what a gag is and it doesn't apply to that um. But certainly this idea that you know, we need to get these certain tattoos to identify ourselves as part of this you know station, because that's one of the things that l A County had a big you know, ordeals like why are these guys having these tattoos put on themselves? See, then it starts to get it's then it starts to fulfill those qualifications of what a game and what a

gain is. And that's what I was gonna say, because you know, they said that these guys had matching school tattoos, and people in the community see as as a criminal gang within law enforcement, you know, because they understand what people's ask because I'll tell you. And this is why I had to escalated. You know, sitting in between two you know, you get off the seventh m the one or five they're going to seventeen, and seventeen is closed off. So I wound up getting off on like Atlantic or

something like that. So I'm going in Atlantic, you know, to go back to the crib. I get pulled over and these dude snacks baby seats on the back of the car. I'm sitting on the curb and they pretty much told me if we're don't find nothing, you can go. I have some you know speakers. You know you got your big speakers back in the day. They punched a hole of my speakers, and well, we're trying to find like it's pretty much tork my stuff up right. I asked to do it for his badge number, you know,

like I need your name and your badge. Remember, he was just like, you don't need ship, you body, just hope we don't find ship. And that was that. They sent me on my way and I felt real like not not sign no pussy, but I don't feel fold. I said, man, these dudes just don't pretty much pulled me up a punk. You don't talk my ship, but they can't do it. And hi yo, that's normal sucking wear and tearing here. Well I found that out there. You have to remember this later on life, but not

to just be on the booze ship. I don't even look like I'm you know, I'm brought it back. I'm coming back from the nigga in fucking little Langwood and a fucking Catalan truck. Is that they rite your profile? Is you are profiled forecatching the car, chew, catching the car, hats on leaning music. Let's see what they got. Nine times out of ten they found something, because that's how you roll it, find it. They's always have a gun on them. No, wait a minute, they already know that.

But we don't switch it up. You know, at the end of the day, we did because we had the females following us with all the goodies. But we're rolling cool. So when they pull us over, you got your license and bad they pull you out. They put you in the back seat of their car. They searched the car. Y'all going to row, we check off shoot and see that's the legal in itself, because when they wanted all

of them you're not supposed to do that. We know, but you ain't supposed to know that you're not supposed to do They're not talking about said, dude, you just can't just go on my ship shots and know what they're gonna do. They the due shut out and that the whole situation is what I'm trying to say is they do that not to disrespect, but they do that because you are nigga dumb from Compton Long Beech with you ain't supposed to all that. It ain't supposed to

be talking about. You can go in my glove compartment. That's illegal search and siege. You ain't supposed to know that. And you can say about of hammering there A good lawyer's gonna be the case because I love I left the middle of that. I look, it was all It's just lucked, right, had the key to it was just lucking dude Twarter like true, you know I'm locking a death strong He twitter shot up like like what is he? Like?

What's looking for something? And it wasn't no expection. The explanation and why I got pulled over, It was just you get over sitting the curve. Then you know it's like this and another time I had to do that. Um, he was out writing tickets. This is when I stayed in orph Long Beach. Right, he was up there right tickets, right. And so he told my car for being this much like a little inch over in the red right eve until it he gave me a ticket. Right, I'll see

it some smart ship. Because he was sitting up, you know, sitting a smart street. I rolled by and I pulled out like up. I said, hey, I'm gonna get some donuts. You want something. I was stupid. I should have did that ship. The next day, this motherfucker knocked on my door. I pulled up to the house to go get my wife, right, because we just want to get our son. You know,

my mother loves us. And he said, by the way, that you thought you had a women for your arrest, And that motherfucker said something like ten And I said for what? And I said, he said, you have a warrant from arrest from nine nine two. I said, he was a damn I wasn't even driving from nine. It was a ticket to turn to a warrant, right, And the things said, Norman Steam. This dude took me down

a jail man. That's when I realized right there, I said, she just for the inconvenienced that you caused him when you could have been cool. Actually thought that that was you had a warrant Norman Stein. I wasn't even getting nothing to them. It don't matter out here. The mentality when I when I was growing up in the hood,

that was normal ship. I could be riding by my motherfuck himself and he was ready to bust a left or right, and as soon as the motherfucker make eye contact with me and some of that, and you could be clean. No dope, no whatever, it don't matter. Get your ass out, sit on the curve and let me tear up everything. And then when I don't find nothing, you thank me my fun. But you gotta look at it. You like this, say, being in the hood, they know

who you are. You already profiled exactly. Anybody that signed that we know who you is. So when they see you, they already know what type of person you is. They we just might find someone this due today nine times. I've to tend that's what they're going on. Exactly half of the half of the ship that we do getting fished off. We know we can't win. I learned this a long time ago. Just say, okay, you just keep your hands on the car, don't put your hands in

your pocket. That's a sign, that's the gesture that what the fun you're doing talking ship to him? Ain't finna get you nowhere? Nine times out of chin is a small infraction, change into get your ashwood kicked on the ground the whole night. When all I had to do

is just go back. When I tell you that them dudes that came back to the crib right because he's taking me outside and I'm telling them, dude, I wasn't here in college because I came here in eight with the long bat City College, got a scholarship somewhere, and I'm over there during that time, you know, the second two years. So I'm like, I wasn't even here, you know what I mean? So hey, gonna tell me I

got a warmth my risk. But when I tell you whatever he was from that microphone, this is about forty motherfucker's poplished They had me some let me have a problem, reach play do the cool up. I saw this point through this. He was just waiting with timass up like a pin young. So you're seeing this whole scenario through with your eyes. That guy doesn't know that you weren't here.

In his mind, he's just processing information, trying to make you know, try trying to make sense of it all, and he might think this warrant is yours, so he has to go through a certain procedure. He doesn't know you weren't here. You know you weren't here. And that makes sense to you when they when they call it a certain warrant or whatever, the hype, the weight and everything shows up. Yeah, it should the warrant that you know, if it's a ten year old warrant, how much can

change in ten years just hype. Well no, I'm just saying that that those things need to be taken in consideration. If I pulled you over and it says five ten, and I'm like, well, clearly there's a problem here, right, So yeah, I'm already gonna be like this probably isn't you. But if there are consistencies that I have to go through the process. If because I can't to whom he's telling me the truth? Ticket and up man, this misty. But it was inconvenient with me because I had to

build up I never got that money back. But that's what it was. It was inconvenience, just as smart as the other day by rolling by showing your bank I don't know, I'm gonna say that we have enough stuff that we can do, or we're not gonna spend a whole bunch of time just trying to inconvenience you because we can go out and do our job, find other things to do. To take you to the station and find out that it's not really you, that's a pain

in the ass. Yeah, but I see that's coming from a cop like you, who's on the up and up, a motherfucker like the dude that y'all used to punk, and the motherfucker that you're showing your bank roll too. I'm gonna find a reason to funk with you, straight up. It got nothing to do with it. Yeah, of course, we got plenty of fucking ships we could be doing.

Then the fucking with you. But you want to be an asshole, and I want ready in this this this element of bangers and drug dealers and motherfucker's I don't really get down with. So the colde is motherfucker shut up and don't say ship because I'm just an asshole. I see your cars in the red by ten inches. I could be like him and be like, hey, move your car, or I could be like his cop and go you got ticket, And then when you want to come by and go yeah, I'm going to go get

some done nuts. Okay, motherfucker. I'm gonna get on my computer and find the motherfucker that fits your description and close to you, and I'm coming back and take your asking to do. I know it ain't You're fuck if I ain't, I know it ain't you. But the inconvenience that pulled you out of that motherfucker because you're doing all of this now, convenience asking goes spend that ship on the bail. When I tell you that this dude drove by my house all the time, Me and mother me,

I'm feeling like a ticket picture of the world. He's right like this, just me, mother like this. Anything, let's do something's there. I can do some far rob Man and I would tickets askew to you and sit you right back down. Keep one of the crests and I'm not looking at them. So y'all got it, y'all ask what's the color? I used to go in the house and open the windows, rolling windows out to break your

bit chests in here. I used to make up the man, mother, come on in our dare you well, come on outside, James, and let's let's talk. Do you think I'm stupid? I used to them all the time. They came to my house and uh, talking about I just did a robbery, and uh we out there part of this When I had parties every every weekend. They told me I had to shut it down. I don't have a license for it, man, and put the locker on the gate. Everybody inside with

y'all talking. They came back, said it was Robbie. I pit the description. They went in the house, they found two pistols and they wouldn't mine, but they found the two pistols, and uh, I go to jail and Reggie said, this ain't it? What what what are you in there for? And that was one good thing about Reggie right Sen, you know what I'm saying. So I totally don't fit the description of these more focuses, but I had police

officers just just didn't like me. And Regie right said, that's a good example for a guy who who worked where he lived community police. And that was a good thing. That's why I think that should be you know, sort of uh inherited into motherfucker's joining the force or whatever. I need to know why you want to patrol in Compton being who you are? But is that contradicted because the brother police officers, black police officers, they was harder

than the white boys because a lot of them was pumped. Asked, motherfucker's and now they want to come back to a place where they can pump. The next he had a lot of friends. Motherfucker grow up and get his ass kid getting puffed and can't get it to motherfucker set your ass down. You can't get the pool right there that I would grow up and I'm ana join the force. And when they asked me where I want to patrol like Louis Park is why I want to God never, the first thing I do with I put that badge

over want. I just mean, I'm wanting down this motherfucker's I'm going down your street, right down. They in my car, and I don't have been cooking up in the six phone. Motherfucking dates they got come it down that mother coke r And I'm just rolling looking at your ass in the front yard like every would have had to do what he had to do if that would have ever happened, because I ain't gonna let him pump me, you know what I'm saying. But he probably gonna you know, he

wouldn't got it. He when he got it that he didn't get it in best use window. He is like, excuse when it was totally against me. And and I wouldn't give him that satisfaction. I couldn't. I wouldn't give a funk if I was scared as fun because I know they've feenl with my ask. I couldn't give him that. Yeah, and that's crazy. You can give him that satisfaction, you know. Great.

I want to get back to the murders real quick because it's a couple of but I'm really trying to find out man, it's why it's California murder rate so high compared to these other places. But what I wanted to ask you, I wanted to go back to one of real famous one that men have happened not too long ago, Rest of peace, Nipsey Hustle. What did you

think about that whole thing? But again, so this goes back to the idea that you know, if you have a high profile name, you're gonna get more resources dumped into the investigative effort. And so because he was somebody that was a notable figure, and um, there was a lot of pressure to solve that. A lot of you know, it went to robbery homicide. You Otherwise, if it's just a random gangster, would have stayed division or with the homicide investigators who are already taxed because they've got a

bunch of other homicides to investigate. Right, So then it goes to a specialized you know like Robert Homicide division where they can just dump tons of resources and mappower into it. And so that's why you know, he got salved relatively quickly. Um, and is my whole partner, Darren Depre you know, worked on that case, and if he worked on Pop Smoke and uh, you know you And when you say the resources that are provided, is that financial,

it's not? Just so basically, yeah, the money basically falls where the high profile case goes, right As opposed to Mipsy being just a regular homie from sixties got popped, nobody's offering fifty thou dollar rewards for information. There's no money for getting up on emergency wire taps, which are really expensive pain informants. There's a whole bunch of different avenues of investigation that call money that you're not going

to spend on. Just some hold on, I'm let me go back to the paying informance, so that those two dudes who make a living like a much how much informance? How much the performance get Well, if you're a federal informat if you're working for one of the you know, the d A or the FBI, you're making pretty good money because they have you know, they have a deeper pockets and lap d informat If you're buying dope, you're just you're barely making enough to get through the week,

you know. So it just really depends on what type of work you're doing and for who. So they has got a budget, is that what they do with all the dope that they sees when that money comes up? Miss when they took that money. So there's so if you're an informant working for the d e A and you you know, assistant an investigation that leads to a hundred billion dollars and assid forfacer asked that forfeit your seizures, you know you're you are potentially entitled to of that

what they see. Really, so if you sees stuff, you are the informative thing is that busses, the Tony Montanas and the mansions and the rolls races and all that money. So you can you can actually live and get you buy your own and if you get you go stitch it on the big top. Butfuckers getting your tempers say confession what you that's crazy. But the money that that that the government sees, they take that money and put it right back into that's the resources that they have

goes back in the drug enforcement operations. So it just funds out because it's super expensive. You're getting up on a wire tap, you know, Um you're all these monitors and all of these people that are typing things. It's really expensive. So why does they say they broke and they don't They don't have researchers to go after this person and that person. When every case they have in season, cars and houses and all that which are sold, that

money goes on the dollar. By the way, you know a lot of that stuff isn't sold for what it's actually worth. The government doesn't want to be taxed, can help, you know, they don't want to. It makes them look get rid of this. Yeah, and so it's it's sold for much less than it's actually worth. And then but if they're if they're just actual you know, cash seizures. You know, if you stumble one a million dollars, you know, most of that just goes right back into the process

of investigating, goes right back to feed the effort. You know, I know a lot of that money come and missing before they even hit the station too, because again you've got the human element, you know what I mean. You know, let's go back to the pop smoke thing. Um. With technology, man, are you think the police department is seeing more people like with the pop smoke incident? He was on Instagram?

You know, the location is one that's what people don't know when you put a picture up sometimes if you're don't have your settings on the phone or right away, if somebody got the right software, they can tell where you took the picture of. It gets even more interesting

than that. Like it's called deal fencing. And what happens is if there's a crime scene and the police department has the capability of putting a fence around a certain vicinity and they can capture everything that's getting tweeted, everything that's getting Facebook, everything that's being communicated is in seeking then digital if if if some witness from their windows season murder bill downs just man, I just saw that guy, and then they can go and talk to her. You

tweeted this out, You just tweeted this out. Did you actually see this or not? You know? And sometimes it's like now I didn't. So do they do that just randomly or it happens when a crime seem happens. It happens when it's a crime scene of significant significant So they can put up a digital fence and basically go back. It's just like reading a cell tower going in, being going. So they can put up this fence in this perimeter and just basically just start pulling up everything from the

last five hours anyway. And I hope the kids out here here all this, you know, because the thing he was like, I tell people today, man, it's almost impossible to get away with some shot. It's almost impossible because the thing he was, if you go smoke somebody, you haven't have your cell phone in your pocket and they

asked you where were you having this? And you talked about man, I was in Corona doing this and they said, well, we have your cell phone, you know, being tracked on on each side of the company, you know what I'm saying, and that night, so it's almost impossible, man, because the way they got Pop smoked. Man. You know, he was

in Beverley Hills and the door got kicked in. And now see I looked at that as something they was coming to get him directly, because they didn't take nothing, nothing, you know, they didn't still nothing, So it wasn't like it was just a regular home invasion robbery. They didn't take ship, They left all the jury when they just want to kill him. Let me tell you something, a lot of these cats were being killed. It's inside ship.

If you welcome with a stack of money. If you're hanging out with a stack of money and you ain't spreading that stack of money amongst us, somebody out of that five or somebody out of that group period is gonna set you up. That's a money racks. Man. We can eat up that before we could do who who what that? That's all that happened to him, And and the majority of them want buckers. See we do the

ship to each other once again. So that's all that happens you out here, just like the little cat that was in and he had these eighty racks on him and he checking pictures and all of this, and they gathered bet five thousand, vet ten thousand. I'm talking about they He had eighties sitting there, sitting there, and he still got a backpack full of money. You don't know me from jack now. If I was like tways twenty

years ago, it over gotta being on the phone. Get up here right hey, my nigga, I'm about I'm about to go, but just right here and getting here with a hunted in the back, we pick the flow show and show what we've got going on. You got cats. You gotta remember you got people out here that of starting brothers out here that we'll get you for that paper. So if you if you're profiling like that, and then you you on you on Instagram, you're on Facebook, you're

going live. They know you right there, they know what you think. It goes back to the to the just what I was saying, like the other day, Um, when I grew up, we had a certain code of but not flossiness. He feel me today. It's the main stay for the young cats. All of them do it just money to the ear, the two million dollars of ice on, you know, because to them that represents respect from other motherfucker's.

You know what I'm saying. In our days, the respect came from who you was and which you could do with these or he was in the period and give a funk. You didn't have to be. I didn't have to be the big time fucking drug dealer nigga. Don nigga, no need period, you give me. That's the respect we had. That Kemper's in the T shirt. That's it. We didn't have to remember. Let me go to the this motherfucker to swap me and buy me up a gang of

Turkish ropes and do all. We had a few drug dealers and ballers who did that ship before the majority niggas had names as a whole. Who they are. We now to respect code and who you demand. If you show up with a billion chains on and then you're taking pictures with the phone to your ear and you get me like like my nigga, James said, it's nigga's still starving in Compton. It's a nigga next to you starving. You might have bought it that the outfit gutting some

shoes that look like you and that's their homie. But he ain't got the fucking tents in his pocket. And you're sitting over here with fucking fucking half a million in your laughing like this. That causes jealousy. Come on, man, but this story has ended them, story James, this story has ended No. Um, he was up in the game, little fat boy. Um James talked to him and told him to be careful. I'll talked to him. He showed

me a little nine million media in his back. Well, I got some o g somebody coming here and I said, man, that's not gonna do shoot. I said, I know some motherfucker's that come here with a twin too, to lay everybody down in this motherfucker before somebody they just blended in because it's people. They don't know if they with us, We don't know if people to other people. So that somebody being there just blending and I know the body and I take this, my motherfucker get hit once motherfucker

here that pup. Everybody gonna get the scattering and everybody will get the phone on the flooring ship because they've nobody in there outside you know us go do they gonna fall on the floor? And I said, you could lose your life. I said, I called somebody right now and tell him the plump here hit me in the here to make it look good. You know what we got? He left there. Oh yeah, a week after that man left there, he was in DC gambling. There was online

all on camera. He was in DC gambling, got killed. And when I tell you I got killed, it was on there. Then he had guns like they were showing off. They look good and stuff. Dude try to pull the a K off the back of the car and went to shooting, and he didn't know what the hell he was doing. And you get saw him backing up and there was some dudes whoever the mother dude, Well, they knew what they were doing because due was just backing up.

I saw the one dude dropped the a K and getting shot up in the back, you know what I mean, because he didn't know who they used it. They had all these tools, but didn't know what they used. But he died out there in DC behind the same thing shooting dice because somebody said, it's the motherfucker up here. With a bag of money. Come and get this motherfucker ship. I'll be the nigger right there with you gambling and go like ship. They got back the motherfucker money, and

that can paint happening to lay down right now? This ship and and and and and for real, this this is nothing new. And this is how we've been doing each other from the beginning, when the dog came, when the dome came, and that certain individual came up. And you're still doing the twenties and the buying them fifty packs. Man, I'm wasting my time. Now you've got the homies kicking it. Homie didn't got killed. They have stole took everything inside John, So we do the ship to ourselves and then now

here we have black lives matter. Why the hell is we getting mad? And I'm gonna keep saying this on every show. Why are we getting mad when the police we were supposed to but why we ain't trying to fix the ship ourselves instead of saying, okay, the police were killing each other more than they're doing it. But it don't make it right that they're doing it. But let's be mad at ourselves first. We can't fix nothing. Blaming everybody else and and and we've gonna get that going.

And this is where we're at because we've been doing this ship from the beginning of time, exactly doing each other from the beginning of the time. Yeah, and it's still some jealousy. Um, I can't stand and see why the fund did he make it as a rapper? Fuck him? Who the fund do he think he is? And you could be coming back just on some regular degulous stuff, just coming back to see your people. You know, you missed the neighborhood. You're coming back to hang out with

some friends. Right, they're same people looking at you, like, who the fun he was? He came to show up, look at his chain, and you might not be be thinking about that, you know what I mean. But that's why I said, that's the mentality of the motherfucker who hasn't succeeded or who's still in the neighborhood with that mentality. And I said, I got ship motherfucker's today from that. Some of the some of us, we'll never get out the neighborhood. No a fact, some of us truly believed

that I'm stuck. I don't want no different don't see no difference. Don't want to go nowhere. And that's the crazy part about it. Man, I was happy to get up out of here. You know what I'm saying, You get tired of it. But some cats, like the older cats, like older than me. If you're still in the neighborhood, you can't knock him for still been in the neighborhood. Because I didn't have a they don't. They didn't have a No, I'm still to make a phone call to him. Man,

I want to do a show. I want to do this. They didn't have a grad Katie to say, Man, you have an interesting story. Man, you want to go to Australia? What austrated? Damn. I don't think I'm gonna be able to get a passport, you know what I'm saying. So we don't everybody don't get those outs, you know what I'm saying. So everything is gonna still be what it is. But we gotta get inside the neighborhood and then get at the little youngsters and say, come on, man, this

ain't what y'all doing. That's why we're doing the podcast. So let to inform those that I think it's cool to be a gamest in all of that that's not what's happening here. You got n C eight. He didn't did his thing in bad? Should he have somebody chargeting him because oh man, I know he got a lot of money. No, come on, man, don't cheer me down because you you don't want it, you know what exactly. And it's almost like subconsciously somebody is looking at you

and blaming you for their misfortune. Kind yeah, that happened, you know, And it's like in their head they've justified that man who the funks ain't think he was up there talking. Man, I'd be a more ship than he did, you know what I mean. It's like, you know, people are crazy. Our jealousy and envy within our own people is being at it all time. Huh. And I never

cared that. Like James said, Um, a lot of people want to blame the police, and of course it's wrong to be in uh, George Floyd's situation or for Yanna Bailer or anybody that we feel that may have lost their lives by you know, police brutality or whatever. But then it again, like he said, we've been gang banging for years, smoking each other bloods and cripts and the essay, homies have been in in thean the brown and the minorities in the Asian game, and we've been killing each

other before. Black lives matter. So I understand people want to rally behind something, you understand. You know that's how we I feel. We are as a people too, you know, our Niggers are as a people. You know, you do something, come out. We all flocked to that ship. You give me the latest trend. We flocked. You know, we all gotta do this ship all every and look for somebody to blame. But like you said, motherfuckering go tomorrow and smoke up the next nigger from the enemy hood across

the street. And we don't have no marches. You know, we might got a little a couple of moms out there who grieve and a couple of but for the most part, it's ordinary. Um. And this is my honest opinion, because in every neighborhood you still have some ogs who give a damn the dude that don't been the pin for a long time. Yeah, and this don't make no sense.

This don't make no sense. What's going on? If you had them, dude, start holding on court to the idiot that getting the car out in the car and just start randomly shooting at people, kill four or five kids. I bet you if they had to deal with those people. Man on cercait a certain kind of level. You do some dumb ship over here, we go discipline your grass, you know what I'm saying. I bet you all that ship because this is different kind of keep it in

the house. Yeah, keeping the house motherfucker's king, But that the younctions out here today and respecting the o G s, they don't they don't done it. If they don't have it how we had it when we grew up, they're kill o G. Then you got some ogs don't want to deal with these young because they might have to kill one of these new cats, not even back in jail,

you know what I'm saying. So it's kind of like, uh, flip side to it, because if I get involved with these new cats and they ain't listening to me, they already know him, gonna knock him upside the head. Now I knocked him ups out of the head, And now I gotta worry about the slow cat coming back and popping out the bushes and shooting, you know, because damn so coming back exactly so it's it's just a you

need more than a big homie in the hood. You need cats like like you have the East Coast and all of these other where's a lot of them seven six whatever. You need all them cats to get together and then get at each other. Everybody gotta come a one in the neighborhood and then say what went man. You have to be active to stop it. You have to be the big homie in the hood that's with it to stop it, not an o g that's kicking

it with his wife. And now, I mean, y'all just seeing how we used to do and you can't have it like that. You gotta have somebody that was active, like really in there to be a part of that instead of the way Nipsey did it. And if she was involved in everything and everybody in it. And you know half of those half of those cats didn't like the way he was doing certain ships. So you was you're gonna run into some resistance. But you have to do it like in the hood. You gotta be in

the hood. You gotta really be with it for those little cats to understand and respect you, you know what I'm saying, and respect the game. So me personally. Me, I say, knock him off, get him out of the way, because they don't want to listen. But you'll be killing them everybody. Yeah, then you kind of like a kind of um hypocritical thing is seeing a black black crime, but the little homies is disappearing, you know, So like I see your point. Um, what I think is this, man,

Well people don't look at man. We just can't still and blame us man California, like we do that ship up in bills. We have to blame us. But we're put in certain conditions man, where we go almost condition And I'm not one of those people to make excuses, but we are almost conditioned to hate each other. Yeah, it's like almost like it's just been that way for as long as I remember me. I mean, but you really don't. As a kid, I mean, I went to school with a lot of Niggers who end their enemies

from different neighborhoods. I mean, it's just like a motherfucker being talk racism. Uh. A lot of children, a lot of white kids or whatever they're gonna grow up or born with. I don't like that motherfucker's talk. But that's what conditioning is. Minding this in this stream of somebody having some in my conditioning, James or whatever. You know, my condition as a young gang banger was I'm from this hood. We got beef with them. My conditioning is

follow the code and you beef. It wasn't the I was born with it because five years ago when we went to elementary me and it's been a play in kickball with each other. And then when it's signed to go to junior high, he go up the street to the school and I go around the corner. They banging this over here, and they're banging that over there with

the neighborhood structure. So now my friends become them. I wasn't born to hate him, but now that I'm running with them, since the hat Fields in the Cooways, they've been hating that neighborhood. I'm over here now. So that's my conditioning, my conditions. I want to be a part of Track New Park, so fucking we don't like them. So if you want to be long, your conditioning, motherfuck is you hate everything about them, period, whether that and and a lot of the ship is. I gotta cousin

over there, a relative. I gotta be mad at my cousin and you're on the hood, well, well funk with them, not your conditioning of what I was brought up. So you have to be able to change that structure. And like you said, James said, we gotta be You gotta be o g s in the hood who changes that structure and that mentality of conditioning the young homies too. We beef with the eight nines, or we beef with the mob, or we beef with them. So it's that

mentality that has to be changed our field. It's just like saying, getting rid of the police. What what do you think, harbins? If you give rid of the police. If you get rid of the police, that tells me I can go kill anymore. But they want to. You got to have them? How do you? How do you get around that? So we gotta be one honey with ourselves and what the funk we're doing. We gotta take accountability for the ship that we're doing. That's what I say. It's important for me to try to say one of

these little youngsters, we we we we. I mean, if we don't step up, then everything stays the same exactly. We don't show or say everything stays the same. So instead of talking about it. Man, we gotta figure out a way to fix it. I think it will go better forward for the especially the police that's really there to fix it, approached to the ones that come to work, just so you can see how many motherfucker's ask even more.

And I think that's the average cop. I think the average cop goes to work with good intentions and they just want to get home with their family. Because another another thing that we have to stop doing because I hate when I see this. I trained my sons because the world is just the way it is when they first started driving. If officer puts you over, you keep your hand on the wheel, the respectful. Don't be moughling off to me. Keep your hand there giving the driver's license.

If something happened, I'd rather bear you off and bury it right man, you know, so just do what you're supposed to do. Keep your hands with steering wheel. And um. I think that's the average cop though, that that has good intentions. And I hate when I see us officer sometimes be being cool as hell. He pulled somebody over, They got the wunder up this side. What are you pulling me over for? What? Then, do you want that's that's the new narrative of the of the Cloud. Ye

do the club says, Yeah. So they got the camera and you can see this officer is being cool as hell, right, and you got the motherfucker's and you give them blues. It's just like the one brother that got shot in his back. Somebody was you know, I kind of walked in on the conversation of one of my partner's house, right, he was like this, so funked up they shot home and look how they shot him, And I said, well, man, it looked like he running in the car reaching for

some ship. What the funk else were they supposed to do? You know, Don't get me wrong, I hated that brother lost his life. I feel bad for a lot of things they could have did because they changed him first. If they chased him, that should have been there right there. You get on him, you you handcuff him, and you you you you got the situation under control. Yeah, that's it. But that's what that lobster didn't make. This dude running on a cargo reef, like, what are you reaching for?

He listening? No, no, But to your point, James, they chased him and didn't work. When they chased him, took him. Well, you would hope that if the taser doesn't work to where he's incapacitated, you're not going to run up and try to tackle the guy with a knife in his hand. He didn't have an absolutely, did I guaranting you did it absolutely? And to the ship than with everybody. Man. Absolutely, he's armed with a knife and he said, I've got

a knife, and there's a knife in his hand. And you know you're not gonna run up and try to tackle somebody like that, right, So the taser, because they know this, we're keeping our distance. Well that's not working. Now he's running away. We're gonna chase him. Now he's running and reaching in the car of that debt belonged him, and there's kids in there, so it's it gets really complicated. Car no open, he reached in the car. You know what I heard was there was another domestic situation going on.

He came up to diffuse the domestic situation. When the police pulled up automatically, it's an excalation or whatever. Whatever. They see him there. Everybody's whatever, so hey, what's going on? Whatever? Whatever? Now I never heard a story about a knife or whatever, the domesticalist that he the old lady, that he had a secondary stream or against him. Okay, so this is all.

This was not a random thing where he was getting involved in somebody else's where they said it was a domestic So everybody is feeling uneasy because it's Black Lives Matter, George Floyd and Brianna Taylor. So so naturally, when you see incidents that involves a black person in the white cop it's automatically gonna be escalated to uh, the black on white fund, the police type or whatever situation that's

been going on. So nobody really wants to look and see what's happening and like and people questions or why they didn't do this, or why they do that, or why you even let them get to the fucking car in the first place. And then it's horrifying because now the realization is you're shotting fucking six times. But even with a knife, are you trained to to to take some weapons from a person? Yeah, So typically, like there's

this is part of the police training. You learn how quickly somebody can cover ground and you know, and if you're eight ten feet away from me by the time I process information and make a decision to shoot. You can get to me that fast. You know, you can get to me before I figured out he's running at me. He's and all of a sudden, I'm trying to defend myself and you've already got your knife in my throat.

I mean, it's that fast, James, It's really this ship happened so fast, and we have to do this thing, and you know, we have to take in a consideration response time, and it is there's there's seconds involved. And and when you start to consider that and you're trained that this guy can cover ground really quick. And so if if you feel like he's gonna advance on you and he's right there and you're in fear for your life, you have to do what you gotta do to protect yourself.

I know that we can sit here and look at it like, well, it's just a knife and he's ten ft away, twelve feet away, man, you can cover that ground really quick. And it's been proven. They do all kinds of training on this, and so you know you've got to when you're processing information and the decision will ship. He's running at me, has a knife and pull your trigger. That's all the time. It takes for him to get

to you. Okay, I want to ask to elaborate on the situation about what you can control as an officer in your situation, um in your training or you as an officer, what is your first thought when you're in that situation? Is it to kill a motherfucker? You know, not so graphic, or should I take one pop in the leg or something to wound the motherfucker because it seems to us or some people, shooting blah blah blah

is a little bit extensive right into it. It's a little extensive than to just Okay, the motherfucker's reaching and getting his car bot and then let me see what's happening, let me pop him in the ass or shoot him in the leg, as opposed to I'm just gonna bust six shots at his back, and being being what's the training process that you as being a cop in that

situation deal with knowing the black lives matter? And it's you get me when you up there in the moment, you're not thinking about that, But I think that's offense. That's really a great question because like you know, and I've always personally had had how to how to beef with the way that we do this, like we do two shots to the chest, wanted the head right double tap, and if the two shots, if the two shots of the chest don't work, because this is center mass is

the easiest thing to hit. It's really hard to like shoot somebody in a kneecap or you know, to take a very shooting is much more difficult than you think. Most students happen to you still miss, you know, and you look at police shootings and more times than not you're missing your target because and they're only ten, twelve, fifteen ft away. And so the training is center mass, the easiest thing to hit is right in the middle

of this picture. And then if that doesn't work, then you try to do a failure drill, which is to hit him in the head because that's gonna stop him. If those first two shots don't work, then you go to where you know it's gonna stop him. And until you've seen people who have been shot and still continue to advance and still continue to fight, and you start to appreciate, like you know, there's but to your point, like I think, if given the opportunity, you should take

that selective shot. If you have that chance and guy's got a knife put in. It's kind of crazy that, you know, when you're trained and the first thought is regardless of the fucking situation, the traffic stop or whatever, but if it escalates to something, the first trained is bop bop, chest bop head, like, fuck it, this motherfucker is obviously drunk or obviously mentally whatever, So fucking bop bop, you know. But we're trained to send an ass bing

bing and if that don't work, fuck it bing. No question the languages, But I'm saying, how do you depict that from the situation that you know, a motherfucker drunk? And I know if this motherfucker wasn't drunk, he wouldn't probably be trying to come at me. So do I want to kill his motherfucker because he don't know what's going on? And by the way, though that happens all

the time. I mean, there's all kinds of these situations where they're like this, this guy's just not right in his mind, and he's not proudly you know that even though he's a threat because he's got a gun or i'm sorry, he's got a knife. Most likely he's got a baseball bat. Whatever, he's got a weapon, and that you just know that he's out of you know, and said, you do your best to try to figure that out. But once he becomes like an imminent threat where he's

rushing you, then you gotta deal with that. And you know, whether it's in the think the easiest thing is to put two into his chest. And what's so funked up about that? Not to cut you off, James or whatever. But we're seeing so many situations. Put a white guy in the same situation and you see it all day

and motherfucker ran at him. He chased them around the car and they're like, hey, hey, man, come on stop, we're gonna shoot you when you But then when he comes, put somebody of his color in the place and it's instant. I'll tell you the biggest difference with the nothing to cut you off. But this is what I think, that white guy that's out there acting crazy, they're not really scared of him. When they pull you over, they already

got him out their mind. Man, I might get murdered with this motherfucker's well, I'm not playing with it because see that's kind of that's kind of that's kind of fun. They use more caution with certain individuals that they deal with. And and unfortunately it is me. I'm the one with the name. I'm the one that they gotta worry about. Uh uh, Tom and Jodan. What these motherfucker's doing over here? So none times out of the chin that stop is not gonna be a severe Damn. I gotta look what

they did to you. That's a big motherfucker right there. Three four or four four, we gotta big motherfucker. This motherfucker might want to fight. So they got a call for back up and prepare the show to take you down because the way, But is that a decision that

you personally make? Is that a decision you make in that situation if you see a white guy or a black guy or Mexican or what in the same scenario, do you make that personal de go I'm gonna handle this black guy differently than I handle this white guy or this and it's like three different Sonia, but they're all the same scenario. Yeah No, not for me, absolutely not. If I see a guy that's you're six six, six

seven whatever you YEA. If I see a big guy, I know that I can't handle physically, right I don't care what color he is. That's a threat, right if we're going at it and get my ass kicks. So I'm gonna figure out a way to not engage with this man, whether it's tasting him or using whatever. I don't see it, you know. But that to your other point here. The thing like, I think there's a perception um that more white guys get killed by the cops

in this country than black guys. Yes, so statistically, the argument that you know that you're more at risk than the white guy, it just doesn't play out statistic I'm not saying, you know, more at risk in my neighborhood where I'm from, though, most like yeah, absolutely, And so you know, all these things happen to be taken into consideration. I don't think that that the vast majority, I don't

think that they that they're racially motivated shootings. I think that what happens is that horrible scenarios arise, cops out of fear or justified force take action. It always looks bad. It always looks bad to shoot somebody, no matter what it's just is always gonna look bad, and there's always going to be then opportunity to second guess it and

go Could it have been done differently and better? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. But you know, I don't think that this racial animosity that we have in this country today is justified. I personally don't believe it. And I think that the police officers today are better than they have ever been in the history of our country. In the sixties they were the city exties. The seventies they got better than nineties, were better than the eighties, two thousand and twenties, better

than two thousand and ten. Because we're learning through our mistakes and you can't get away with ship. We're all you know, everything's monitored, everything's you know, three and four levels of of evaluation, body cameras. All of these things are done so that we have to be held accountable. But it also allows us to see what's going on and in our culture. Right now, you know, we're just

having knee jerk reactions to things that look bad. Yeah, exactly, and before you know, before we wrap up, we've been towing a wild Now. I wanted to ask, when this may be a rhetorical question, let's go back at the beginning. Why do you think the murder rate is so high in California. Well, I think that I think cops are afraid to do their job, and so I think that there is to to James's point is like when the enforcement is less, the streets are gonna do more than

they would have there not been this presence. And so I think that when we pin a handcuff the police where they're scared to do their job, skis they're gonna get second and triple guests. You know, we don't have the enforcement capabilities consequences. Yeah, I think that maybe that's part of it. And then you know what, because you know that's true. The state is so liberal. You know.

I want to go try to buy twelve gigs the other day, and they were telling me it was just like I might as well have been going to go buy mac tim because they gave me such a hard time. When you don't have this before when I used to go by twelve gigs, I can should mind beat give it. And I'm a lot, you know what I mean, I might minutes max, you know what I mean. Now you can't go buy bullets, you can't. You know, it's it's

all kinds of stuff. So it's almost like this state being so liberal, it almost as in power up the criminal. They got all the guns, they won't Well, we'll be we'll be at a lordship we get rid of the police. I think at the police need to do a little better with how they handle certain situations. Uh as farthers checking the police that they're putting on the job because some of them really don't care. Some of them look at it as a paycheck and I'm going home, so

they don't care how they treat the people. Any Time you get a police officer that that will beat the shit out of a sixty year old woman he's mad at something else, don't bring that to your job. And I think they need to fix that part. I think it would be better. But we have to learn how to police our own hoods. And and let's say, help police our own hoods, because we ain't gonna be able to do it, you know what. We Yeah, we definitely need the police. And I think one thing, Yeah, what

the don to get rid of the police. But what what we need is our feel We need to have more um, we have to need to have more communication with officers who joined in the fucking forces with as far as why you want to patrol over here? Just the bombers ship right here. If you can get us to work with the police, like I'm so handed hands for the real ship and being there, because the first thing they're gonna say, oh, you're with the police, is ntch No, what is the community? What do the community

meaning you? We're tearing it up, so it don't mean ship to us, you know what I'm saying. So you get them and you work with them to help us get rid of and fix the ship that moving the sore thumbs. You know what I'm saying. We need to get rid of the sore thumbs people from getting killed you. But like you said, if you can't give rid of a mob, James, You're gonna always have a problem, you know what I'm saying, Because that dude purpose is just to be a game bagger and create your habit. So

you gotta remove him, you know what I'm saying. If you ain't do that, the hood ain't gonna do it unless he get killed. That's the only way to get rid of you. But if you if you got guys like us and saying, okay, our hood, we need to fix this. So because it saves your nieces, your little cousins, your nephews and everybody else because now they see us working with them, helping fix what we call our community,

our neighborhood. You see what I'm saying. If you don't do that, then we find each other and you know what the problem it was. Man, The first thing somebody go say, oh, he's working with the police, because people's definition with snitchey meals is so like skewed and funked up nowadays. For the record, sniche is this. If you are a member of the underworld and you're partaking any criminal activity, like you go rob a bank, your partner

you robbed the bank with, don't get caught. But you get caught and you say, well, man, I know the eight hedn't want to talk me into this ship. And he even he still got a hundred fifty dollars he did it. And he's hiding over his cousin's house on Riverside. That's snitching right there. That's what snaky kneels right there. If my wife I'm not at home enough, somebody's breaking the house and she called the alarm company and they come over there and say that man was trying to

break in my window. She is a civilian woman. She is not a snick She's incapable of being a snitch. And that's the most ridiculous shit I've ever heard. What you call a competent and uh oh yeah, that's it. But I'm just saying, these these kids that they they got, they call them motherfucker's rhets just to call people. You got people out there today and just slow behind that hip hop ship and the code of of hip hop and the code of you know, the Takashi bullshit and

all that ship then. And like I said, the youth today, uh, they inherit, uh the snitching ship of some new form of whatever. Like you said, we've been dealing with that ship for a decade. Motherfucker's used to go tell Bump Johnson or who was doing this or delivering the numbers or whatever whatever. So we've had snitching, so to speak, since the beginning of time. What it is is that civilians,

we never considered civilians to be snitchers. You know, we never considered a motherfucker if it was an innocent kid got killed or a baby and you told who did to drive by shooting or ship. You know, it's just a different code that we have and what the kids want to do nowadays. Uh So it shouldn't be a factor of niggas from the neighborhood wanting to control the neighborhood on a positive aspect, because ship, when you're happy and everything is fun and fine and everybody got money,

you usually don't have the fucking problems. So and then another thing with trying to control our areas and getting rid of the bad motherfucker because you just have to get you a pack of niggas who want to see the hood doing better. Si ganga niggas like this. I just want to ask one question, one last question before we get out of here. Um we need police your mentality when you were a kid, what made you want to become a cop? So? Um, I never thought about it as a kid, like it was never even a

thought in my mind. And then as I got older, and uh, I realized that, you know, I was gonna have to make it on my own and figure out how to how to do that. A friend of mine's dad was a cop and he was also my football coach,

and so he was somewhat of a mentor. And so I grew up without my dad, and so you know, I kind of fell under this guy's influence and he's like, Greg, you know, you're in any direction where it's very easy for you to get, you know, into a situation where you'll never have an opportunity to do this because yeah, you know, I was heading for trouble and he goes, you know, but it's so far. You haven't gotten to the point where you've disqualified yourself. And it's a good career.

And so I didn't do it out of this, you know, this aspiration like I just want to be a caught. I looked at it as this is a really good career and it's a chance for me to get in a good profession. I was relatively uneducated at a G E. D UM And to your other point, though, I think education should be absolutely required for anybody going to law enforcement. You should have a college education. And these days, you know, I think that that's um. But for me, I got it.

I got into it because there was an opportunity. And then once I started, UM, I just I it was the right career path for me. But just because of the fact that you know, I grew up all around dope. I grew up with a hippie mom. I grew up in all this environment where I could really appreciate and empathize with the people that I was encountering. No drug addicts. I understood, like, this can happen to anybody, almost right.

I didn't see them, rejected them. That also saw the sinister aspect of it, of the people that we're dealing those dope or dealing drives. So all of that just evolved into me being um a police officer that I think as relatively fit for it. I don't know if

that answer your question. It just it just ends with what I'm trying to say and end with is you have to appreciate your job or you want to you know, I don't think you can come into law enforcement or want to be a police with the mentality of that fuck it you give me. You know, you thought it was a good career and in doing so, you were able to come in and figure out, yeah, dope, shit is fucked up and crackheads and fucking kids whatever. Whatever.

So that's what I'm saying about today with the policing, we need to find motherfucker's who really are passionate about being a fucking pole. That's that's the point. He was able to relate growing up sin and ship. So now I'm a police officers. Now that he's the police officer, he could relate to being on the street and see the ship that was going on and and uh what is that? Um damn, I got the word for this.

He see what's going on, and and now I can I relate to talking to these people because I've been around it. I know what it's about. So it's it's a good move. So you can honestly say he's in the right place because I can relate to you people. I can relate to what you're going through. Cocaine hit everybody go by. It didn't have no no, no, it wasn't racist. It took everybody out that. I think that was would be way better for situations day if dudes

who joined the force were educated. Uh, we're knowledgeable about where they're from, the police, the people in the area of the community, and not just right now you give me. You need to study and learn about what's been happening over in the mob for the last thirty years. You need to know what down and Dragon or south Side or where. So that's all that was my last point. I'm done there. There's this real quick thing seven grade with what you said about we bought. We've got to

work together, right, We've got to figure that out. How to you know, regain a mutual um respect for one another that you started this whole thing out with, Like what is it like to grow up in hopelessness? And like until we get those communities to where there's to where there's opportunity. Until you can get those communities to

where there's opportunity, there's gonna be hopelessness. And when the hopelessness becomes a d valuation of life and the evaluation of life, well, I'm just gonna take some ship from you to take your life because it really doesn't mean anything. And that until we get those communities to where there's an opportunity, then you're still gonna have that sense of like what the funk might not I'll just go out

and take mine, that's right? Is that right? I just feel like you've got to figure out how to make the fire out. People feel like if people have opportunities to work towards, you know, when you ain't got an opportunity to work towards and that and ship, it's gonna be a bad day. And with that that reps up in another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Who like think Greg Katie Man forgiving us some really insightful information.

You got a podcast coming out, don't you. And I'm hoping to you you know what, I'm trying to do this little thing I want to do. You guys remember that Christopher Dorner case that things are gonna try to do something with that that's really do That's yeah, definitely we could be to open Greg out with that man and supporting them for whatever he needs. Man Is he's definitely a friend of the show d and you will

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