EP 145: Snowfall Breakdown Pt.1 w/ Glasses Malone

So start, I just want to say this, I'm not here for no slander, zero slander when it comes to Louis. The only thing Louis has done wrong so far is when she wouldn't help Franklin get at the CIA agent Teddy. That's the only issue I have and the only mistake she made. There's no reason why Franklin should have not empowered this brilliant street lady. You have to empower your people when they don't want to be up under your thumb,

and they showed leadership ability. You have to create an avenue for them to explore and go as far as they want to go without you. And that's the hardest thing when you're in this business. For the wrong reasons. I agree, what makes you think somebody's will come on here slam? Now? I do think Louis had a little bit more than that. She's not no angel, But I feel like you're saying he should have empowered her. He should have been the only angel on Snowfall. Sissy. Yeah,

pretty much his mom since he is an angel. So you know, g he did a lot, man, You know, he pretty much he broken the compounds, stole their money in cash and everything. Then he went to told old boy Kane is laid up in hospital, that Louis was the one to put the hit on. Do you think

he went too far with it? Noll No, So while Louis didn't, I'm not mad at her for trying to knock Cane down because I can't try to patch him or not to mention, he put a bullet in the plug, right, Um, I had no issue with any of the stuff she was doing, her wanting to go out, even her reaching out to the plug. As weird as that sound, because your plug supposed to turn her down. Your plug supposed to show loyalty, not not people who are with you

and try to expand their business. Your plug is your go to and she should had to go to the Columbius to do her own thing. Um. I say all that to say that when you choose the plug over somebody who empowered you, like now you're you're taking sides. Oh, I can't help you, but I'm not gonna do nothing to him because it's about me. And you know again, that's where the ruthlessness of a woman came out. So everything that happened, they had coming to him. It was

the inevitable. At that point, Well, you know what's so funny? She said that this is my time. Yeah, that was some bullshit. She said this is my time. Fun that and where do you think they leave? Jerome at though brokers? He looked like he kind of heard about by this man. He like this kind of bothering him a little bit. I didn't really see him after it happened, but said Jerome fucked up. He listen as much as I didn't see it going here right because I didn't see Teddy.

I didn't. First off, I didn't see Teddy back doing Franklin. That just don't make sense. Also didn't see I also didn't see Teddy. That's probably why I'm stupid at I didn't see see Franklin fucked up when he got it Teddy and told him he's gonna quit instead of just quentin, instead of just taking his money and disappearing. You know,

you're doing business with the CIA. These people can make you disappear, so really supposed to just take your money and vantage, you know, like she pretty much ridded you of all your sins, you know what I mean, she pretty much like she took on all your birdens and responsibility and you got seventy five to a hundred million dollars,

like you could just disappear. She got a plug. But when he went and he tried to stroke his own ego and tell the plug or I'm done, And you had this dumbass smirk on your face like you're not playing with the damn police. You feel me hints the problems. So as far as Jerome w I think Jerome as he saw it coming. Now, I don't know if she talked to Jerome, you know, before she made the decision. Not hell Franklin. I cannot believe for two seconds Jerome

would have been he would have chose. He might have said, hey, we're gonna do our own thing, and down to back his wife for that. But there's no way possible he would have backed his wife saying you on your own and chose Teddy over his nephew. So that's why I don't think Jerome quite knew what happened. So I'm definitely interested to see if he knew what happened. I'm gonna tell you what I think is happening, man. And this is the way this show is going, because it's starting

to get real. I see Jerom being the one putting the bullet in her. Yeah, for sure, I see Jerome be the one putting the bullet. I see. It's as much as this says me, Bro, I see little Leon probably getting whacked somehow in the mix all this dog he Yeah, it's just you know, his growth during the show has been incredible. You know, he's been on his own little personal journey and him that girl taking off the Europe. The only way that doesn't happen is if

he just went away and never comes back. Because the time period that they're entering on the show now is about to get real stupid. It's the rise of gangsters rap. It's thed'reing a gangster rat, right. That's when California was real stupid at that time. We started talking eighty eight Dog, that's about n W A tech down right. It was really all out here at that time, Dog, it was gang banging. Was just at It's like apex at that time.

So it's about to get real stupid. And I think the other person they're not talking about this my man, What's my Man? From What's My Dude? The blood Dude Inglewood from um oh to say, why do we always call him Stacy? We know Dann Well his real name may Stacy nor is his character name on Snowfalls Day. He's always going forever to you have mortalized the Stacy. If you ever fail that you've seen in the wood, you'd be like Stacy, you don't want to see that

nigga in person. I met him, I was like, Stacy, that's how you know you did a great job character where you forever like he and he And the cold part is Homy got a fantastic you know, he does a great job in this you know TV show. And we still will not give this character more credit than Stacy. Yeah, well you know the girl. You know. Anyway, they've seen to forget Dog that they killed Cadasia and his daughter y. Yeah, you know, so this dude, they just floating around. He

comes to weddings giving them acid, you know, stuff like that. Dude, this is something going on with that dude. He could come into play because they go all people. We can ain't gonna see him coming because you gotta remember that dude is the strategies, Yeah for sure, and he definitely want to weigh them out. Um. Like I said, even even when I dissect every character on the show, right and I look at it and I'm and I'm I could see where Franklin went wrong, right, I could see

where Franklin went wrong. Um, I see where Louis went wrong. I see where Teddy went wrong. Um. To me, the angel of the show, right is sissy. But the most trillis stand up and and maybe this is like a hint of racism on my part, but the only one who kept his solid the whole time is Gustavo Dog. That dude man from biased towards Mexicans when it comes

to doing street business. But they're like the most honorable people for me when I do street When I when I used to do street business, I was never felt like they were ever trying to cheat me. Now, I don't have years of thousands of years in this business, thirty years, you know what I'm saying. But I always

felt comfortable doing business with them, like it's really business. Well, I always like the stop was character from the rip, and I understood as well when he told him when he kind of just hung up on Franklin, Franklin told him he gonna get you too. He gonna get you too. Oh so you know, yeah, also know that right though, that's why he's hanging on the phone. We're gonna go get his cheese and getting on That's why getting off the phone, getting off the phone, go get this money

and get out of town. Moved a look quicker. Yeah, but Teddy pretty much you told him, you know what he should have told Teddy him knowing what was going on, he should have told Teddy he was gonna meet him, just go to him. I mean, I think you should have told Teddy ship you chose my auntie over me. This has just lifted the burden of a complete country funding of war off my back. I'm not talking like I'm saying a bare minimum because I'm trying to get

about it here with my money in my safety. I don't want nobody to know where I'm I don't want nobody to know my next move. Seel me at that point. But at this point, so let's go over to these characters. G and I want to hear what everybody thinks. Peter, you ain't saying much because I know you've got something in your brisk He knew Kevin. He knew Kevin Hamilton's in real life. So he still hurt over what happened to the hummy Kevin, you know, and that's the homie

shout out to Malcolm Maze. But Malcolm, you deserve that. And then you was sucking up. Yeah, Milcolm was screwing up Kevin Man. Kevin just he made everything so personal. And you know, I remember the episodes where he was talking about Franklin buying them houses, right, and he was, you know, he was the one in the ear like, oh, they bought the houses in my name. You know, he bought the houses in his name. You know these ain't

that means I can just save my money. Like a lot of times when I listened to a lot of the death Row stories, right, and you know you hear stories like all the cars with the should name. Well, guess what that means. I could burn this motherfuck up and nothing could happen all the houses that should name. That means I could motherfucking do what I want to do, and I ain't got to spend no motherfucking money. I ain't paying no motherfucking red, So every dime I have

go into my pocket. Most record companies for me give you a lease card. They're not buying you know, car, They're not making that horrible investment. Most of them will put you in the house, ain't leasing the house. Well, guess what that means? I have no fiduciary responsibilities because when it comes down to these properties. See, keV looked at it wrong. keV looked at it wrong. He looked at it like, oh, you know, it's not in mindy bro.

Ownership is one of the most overrated things we talk about in our community, right and not get it because we feel like we don't have it. There's all about control. That's an employee perspective. You know, if you're only giving money and no vehicle and you're a worker, you don't know what to do with the money. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

You know what I think though, Man, I think with cats like Kevin Right, it's just too much like Right, you always gotta have the one disgruninal Nigglogen, It's always gonna be one discrounal dude. No matter what you do for them is never enough. If you give him a million, man, it should have been too Just watch watch them. I bet we got four or five million on my back, and they usually the nig it ain't worth for damn. They ain't nothing to the table with nothing. It's just

always like that. But where do you see I want to just kind of analyze each character. Where do you see um Franklin st going next season? What do you see? How do you see this endre for him? What do you think is like, oh, we know that that's the end. But do you think he's gonna get punched in any way on the streets? Is he gonna get killed? No, he's going to prison for sure. How many years you think he gonna dudes about forever? By seven? He actually young enough he would get out to still have half

a life. What's crazy? Is he going into turning into a snitch? But who is he going to snitch on the police? You think he could want to turn the States. You don't have a choice. Think about it. If you, let's say, Gustavo, like, I think it's gonna happen, Gustavo, bump off Teddy for me, Like you're gonna have to tell Gustar Wars gu Star Wars locked up now? Yeah, but Gustavo gonna get out. How many seasons do you think they got left in them? That's what it all

hinges on. The next season is the last season. That's what we're talking about. He's gonna die in the last episode. That's gonna go out on him having like uh, you know, like, um, what do you call it? Where you with the audio where he's talking over the situation as the ship pans out, it's gonna be Minister of Society. We happened the can. I think they're a little bit more talent, right, is talented than that? Man. I don't think they're gonna be

that predictable. This is what I think will happen to him. I think he's going to suffer even more losses because he the problem with Franklin. When you're in the d game, you can't do it both dog. You can't beat Mr Joe businessman Square and beat his drug lord. Right, it just don't work. The two just don't coincide in the same space. So I think what's gonna happen with him by him trying to really hold on that because you see his biggest worry do we have enough capital to

keep paying for the rents? So we're gonna lose the properties? That was his problem in the first place. You are a motherfucking drug dealer, you see, dupe, but trying to aldings and drawing on yourself. Teddy was kind of right when you got on him about that. I was with Teddy on that stop bringing heat. You walked there by fifty million dollar buildings. How do you substantiate that? Where is you getting the income from? You ain't worried about

nobody asking you questions. You feel what I'm saying was a little smarter than that. Um, I mean, I think I think there's so many people in this country who was doing the wrong thing and turned the legal I mean, everybody didn't earn the money the right way, oh a hundred percent. But he was kind of being almost like cocky with it. But you have to pay for cover

to do that at a large scale. Sure, And I think that was his goal, right, But you know, you start talking about corps in the early eighties and certain attorneys in the early eighties, he was trying his best not to mention he had permission from the CIA agent that he was dealing with. Besides Teddy, it was somebody trying to help him, you know, elevate out of the business. And you know that the last CIA agent that Teddy killed, you know when he came back, I forgot to the

man name. But you know he was trying to help that. This was his idea that he gave to Franklin. He was saying, you know, elevate out of it, like almost like he was trying to get Franklin and out. When this was all said and done, Teddy decided like, I'm okay, this negro feel me in this position. That way, when it's all said and done, I could kill him and

take the money. Like you gotta remember, even when they took the seventy five million from me, right, he's telling his boss and other partners like, we got an extra seventy five million. You don't gotta extraly, you fucking thief. You don't have an extra seventy five million. So that just that goes to show you that, you know, they didn't have no proper thing for Teddy. So, I mean, I think every natural, you know, d boys goal is to you know, to to eventually elevate into a place

where they could do legal business. I mean, to be successful even as a drug dealer, like you have to be really smart and resourceful, you have to be intelligent, like you like, it's some belief that any idiot could sell dope, and that's just the furthest thing from the truth. Most people when I was coming up, hustling and selling you know, PCP rock whatever, they earned a regular living.

Like you know, somebody might have earned four hundred dollars a week profit, five hundred dollars a week profit they wasn't making, you know, like like we was making, you know, two or three four thousand dollars a week. It just wasn't that type of party. So I think that that's the natural thing. So I don't fought him for, you know, especially even under the influence of the other CIA agent, to try to elevate out of the business. Well, you

know what, though, I just think he was doing too much. Man. I think Franklin, I think his you brisk and then end dog is gonna be his downfall. He had that like young real young arrogance. You understand what I mean. Like he just like you know, like when he was trying to get Louis and Jerome to invest the buildings downtown, he was almost like forced them, like y'all need to do this, and was mad because they didn't want to put their money in man that people to duke dealers.

They not thinking about becoming real estate. Louie was just a whole five years ago. But I also think, while I agree with you to his defense, you know what I'm saying, he felt like, yo, ill lad you this far. You guys are multi millionaires because of my ideas. I mean, yes, y'all. Y'all also went out of execute it and had some ideas, but you know, the whole organization is they're all multime

millionaires because of Franklin's you know, ideas. So I understood why he felt some kind of way like there's no reason to not trust me now. So but I also understand Louis and and and Jerome them too grown ask them people older than you know what I'm saying, and you're trying to tell him what they're gonna do, what they livelihood, but that that's that's the character a vice. It's like he feels entitled to reality being what he wants it to be, and he plays around that instead

of playing around reality and what it is. And when you could justify whether he thinks he's righteous and viewing it that way, but it is still the last going to unravel. Yeah. Well, one thing that I was just telling I was thinking to still. I was just saying, like, I get why you thought this way, even though whether I re or not, I mean, I get you, like

should they should trust you? And it's like that may not be the truth, Like they might don't look at the whole journey the way you see the whole journey, and that was the obvious truth. Yeah, that's true. Okay, we used to be one of my favorite characters. Aunt Louis what's happening with the next year, she gonna Papa, I say that to our things, you're wrong, kills her. I think he winds up being the one to kill her because she's gonna do something that kind of goes

too far. Trying to get that Franklin and that's still his nephew at the end of the day. The fear is she's more ruthless than Franklin is. So there could be a situation where Cincy gets hurt, because I think Cincy can end up dead and that's still your own sisters. So I think this could go a few ways, but I'm with you for sure Louise doesn't survive. The way I would write it, yeah, is I would make her

exactly like what she is. She's the consummate opportunist. I would write her into being like a full on, willful informant who leaves everybody hung the funk out to dry and walks off and skates off with something in their pocket. I wouldn't like that. I wouldn't like it, but that's how I write it. Uh, that would be interesting. I'm not against listen that would you? I would be kind of that would That wouldn't be far for Louis just skating off into a universe everybody else every place was

to marry your own just he just happen. That's a woman for you. A whole long term planning. They planned their scheme to get simple things like meals, and then they skime for grand things like millions and putting everybody in prison. Oh yeah, yeah, that's crazy. So I'm gonna tell you the biggest snake on the show by far as Teddy's ass. I can't stay in him, man, Like, honestly, I wish the motherfucker's would kill him when they ambushed

his ass. What's crazy is he really feels like he has this moral sense of him being right, like this is all for the greater good of as a patriot. He like whatever it takes, like I don't care. He's telling himself that I'm gonna tell you what's happening with him. The rest of his life that went the shambles, and that's the only life he knows. Remember, he tried to go back to normal society and tried to do the normal thing. He just couldn't. I think he got bored,

and I actually think he enjoys having people under his thumb. Sure, sure, because if you notice, he's become more and more ruthless. He's more physically ruthless now. But I'm gonna tell you those Russian CIA, the people from the KGP, I think they got something for his as stone, you know what. I think they'll have the situation. But I think I think my man will stop. Are gonna have that cover? We'll make you think. First of all, husban stop it. We'll get out of jail. They don't have drubs on it.

But he got six million dollars in this thirteen million dollars in this trunk, and he ain't got nobody justified. You don't have to justify the money. Who told you that? Yeah you do? She didn't you all believe? So yell believe you ran around. You get caught with thirteen million dollars. The police can confiscate that money. Now. I don't know if they can necessarily take you to jail right off the bat like that, but they can't take that money. My home hold the money. They can't check this out.

My home point was coming back from New Jersey. He was right through Kansas City. They pulled him over dog and he had ten thousand dollars he wanted to see. You know they took that money from. Yeah, they can take your money. But the thing is, my man gonna touch back down on the streets. We're gonna have some MAXI. Because the thing about Gustavo and that style of motherfucking person, they're such an honorable person. They're not gonna play with you.

He already been looking at Teddy side because the little ship Teddy did with Louis and and Franklin. He looking at him, and that's why he's finn to bounce out. Now, you know, he got poppy like, okay, he knows what see everybody else except him, and since he understand what it's gonna take to get out of this thing alive, maybe not even with your freedom, but alive. But sincy And and Gustavo, they understand what it's gonna take. Yeah,

you know what I do think. I think Gustavo it was the one to kill him, or I think them care or assist or Franklin might kill him. No chance, You don't think Franklin go get him and never left. Franklin get that close. That might be the thing. I'm gonna tell you this. What's the name of Franklin's his squad? The women I don't know they had a name. The two girls are two hit women? YEA, don't know their names.

Now what do you see? You see them playing the expanded road this year, because that's pretty much Franklin sold squad right there. Yeah, but I mean, ain't no telling like man Leon. You know Leon is still there. What they're gonna do to Leon? Um? I don't think Leon are gonna be with it like that though, though, But then Leon sold loyal Hill is gonna be what he gonna fun with Franklin? Or or how do how do Jerome?

How do Jerome and Louis c Leon? At this point, like if if I'm beefing with Franklin, right, I'm going out to Louis. I mean, excuse me, I'm going out to Leon like I would go right after him because I would think that's gonna be your number one problem. He got control of the projects. I'm going right after him. I think. You know what, bro something that tells me that if Leon don't get killed, he's gonna get away Scott free. It's gonna be either one. Sure. I think

that's how I hope you get away too. You know. It's funny, and I think people become so invested in this movie man, because it it's real dog. It's like stuff like this was going on back there. You know. I think it maybe a little bit of Bellance dog on some of the things, but stuff like this was really going on. Rie was really up there selling dope for the motherfucker's sea. People thought that was so crazy. I was like, Oh, this is getting crazy. They have planes.

I'm like, Dog, it was a ton of drug dealers, not a ton, but jug dealers had planes in the eighties. I don't think people realize how much, how many keyloads of cocaine the most powerful players in America was dealing with. And I'll tell you something, And I don't know if you ever tripped off this, but you've got an airport over in Compton that was pretty much built up the snuff in the eighties, right during that time period. You have another one in Hawthorne. Don't nobody use some airports

no more? But it's all kind of airports around from that era. Dog, people using airports are still open and they still open. Dog, don't nobody ever fly out up, but they're still there. Hawthorn, Yeah, Hawthorn is a very active air strip. Yeah. But if you notice that the Peter that all of those kind of popped up in the eighties during that time, it makes you wonder how much cocaine ran across that that that roadway out of cocaine,

A whole lot of it. Now, this is what I do think, Man, I think it's your wrong kills, Louis. I got a couple of other questions, though, Dog, you remember Lucia, the girl that Yeah, do you think she's working with the fist and stuff? You think she's just gone? I don't know, the one who found the thing in the lamp. No, No, that's that's his lady, now, his first lady that dragged him into the business, the drug

lord's daughter, and she just disappeared. When of the calls do all that ship trying to get correct, trying to find out the recipe. But I'm saying, did she did maybe did she decide to leave the show? I mean said they just stopped writing her in. Sure, I don't know, Dog, but I think they just kind of just left that hanging. It's just like, where is this other the nigger that he found out the nigga stole the cash with's my boy's name on the Jean peaches my boy Pa man

peaches on that dope too. I think got eight too, Dog. Yeah, he was coughing. And what's weird is the belief that like um, he turned on Franklin. I'm like, I don't know quite what. You know? He they can find him and he could literally be about to die. Because I agree because he was shooting up heroin and he looked really sick. And it's around the med eighties. You know what I'm saying that it could easily be a bad

situation for him. Well, you know what I think, bro, I think with him, and I'm still sat Louis has something with that money disappearing dog. I think she has something to do with that. We're frankly getting robbed dogs. It was just too smooth for get away, you know what I mean. I'll tell you one thing. She is super like. I always thought she was ruthless enough to be a drug lawd but she's ruthless enough to be a Mexican cartel leader. I mean, I wouldn't put nothing

past her at this point. I got to put respect on her name when it comes to that ruthless bullshit. Yeah, she gotta like easy. If she got a dope thing. She got a dope thing. Former police officers that they're stealing cracking people. Now, that's what really tripped me out. I think she just keeping them around to put a bullet in his head. And she gets buying her time

for him. I mean, you gotta think like that's why I think she's the perfect leader right for organization, because of how she maneuvers right with what everything she's doing. Like that was the time she could have killed that police man, but realized he was an end. You know. Now he doesn't work for them, and he needs to take care of his family, double his pay, and he's an end to different detectives because all these different police fell up under him. And it's obviously he's a ruthless killer.

And he on drugs, so that means he's controllable. And he was sloppy the way he tried to execute that hit on Cane, Yeah, because he was on that That's because he was on that work. Yeah, he was. He was on that work, got his own boy kill, got his partner killed, you know. And I think another person that's gonna suffer some casualties this season managed my boy Jerome Jerome Leon, my two favorite characters on the show Man. Jerome is real old school and whoever the actor yos

Man I think his name is, I mean Joseph. He does an excellent job with that character. Yeah he doesn't, he doesn't. It's funny because it's not really rooted behind the real character, but it's such a I call him a character of of some ship like that. He's a great caricature a man. Yeah, he's a big it's never exaggerated, but it's just dope enough to wear us on TV. Is fire. Like my my favorite line is that nigga said,

teaching man, some squabbles get that time nigger. I was like, all right, yeah, But the thing is, though, he's that nigger from that areas. You gotta remember, you get in the eighties, you had a lot of cash that was really just moved up to LA when it was five or six years old from Alabama, Mississippi, all kind of places. So they still kind of had that big comfry swagger with him meeting. The way they dressed they was kind of loud, colors man, real just flamboyant with a bunch

of jewry on the stuff. So you can see his Southern roots in there and stuff. Bro, I think he's a good care And he told Franklin when this whole thing first started. Remember he told nephew this stuff called problems. Yeah, he knew it, this stuff called problems. He pretty much said that he was um. He pretty much made the point. Bro, that it was gonna tear their family up, and it's

about to do it. I think I don't see CC making it out next season though you think Pete's sissy Pete, We really need to hear the white man's perspective on this man. We just got to talk to Pete about Teddy. Yeah, Teddy, Like, like, tell me what is Teddy fall? And under the hierarchy of evil white men, is there one? Yeah? Like like is he is? He? Is he in the upper file? The winner? This is weird man. And I'm gonna say this, and I don't want to cut you off, Pete, but

I want to add this. He really thinks he's doing his patriotic duty. That's you gotta be scared with somebody that possess. Go ahead, Pete. I'm sorry now, I mean I don't think that he's We could do a lot of worse, you know, and get hitler man. Yeah, yeah, it does. I mean, it's it's one of those things. It kind of comes into that kind of endless discussion about like what's facilitating free will versus what's you know,

really heavy handed downward pressure on it. So I think there's that element to it, and you know, this is this whole situation like the c I A thing and that that that it's like vintage, like the stereotypical you know Bush family operation. I mean people forget like George H. W. Bush ran the CIA and was a political arch enemy of Ronald Reagan before they broke her a deal in like the night um Republican what do you call that thing that where they announced who's going to be the

nominee mm hm. So you know, you know he's he's a legacy politician. So yeah, there's a top down mentality behind all of that ship where it's like, oh, and you look at the way that like George Bush and H. W. Bush, who do they go after? They go after small measly countries that are easy winds, that are very expensive easy winds, you know what I mean? Whereas who did Reagan spearhead

independently going after Mikail Gorbachov? You know, we're gonna take down the USSR for free Georgia is like we're gonna go into Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, We're gonna go into Eastern Europe. We're gonna go all these small places that cost a fucking fortune. It's like for what so you kind of get that that mentality that, yeah, you're looking for these people who probably think, oh my god, if Kaye has spreads from Nicaragua to Honduras to Guatemala, were fucked. It's like, yeah, yeah,

because otherwise what would we do without them? So, I mean, he's kind of one of those dudes that just typically is he's just iss. How a person who could tell himself whatever he wants to believe to make him do whatever is that he wants to do for himself. At the end of the day, I think he's an evil dude, man. I think he's intentions before Franklin even equipment. Think his attentions was to keep the gravy train going and when he was done with them, put a bullet in their

here and take that money and keep it pushing. I mean, is that necessarily wrong? You know? I'm gonna tell you this, dog Franklin kind of lost me when he let him do his day that way. I don't think he let him do his daddy that way. And I still have questions about album too. You think Nout's dead, I we'll see, you know what, that might be a play dog. He may come up out of nowhere. He may be the want to come and get Teddy's asked. You never know, but I doubt I think a man's doing that. The

Teddy walked up, but again out fucked up. He was doing too much, dog and I respected, like, I get what he was standing for. But you gotta play the game the right way. Man. If you you know, you do all that ship, man, you gotta know what comes with it. So um, that was tough man. That was tough. I liked out in too. I'm glad I wasn't that got the ship together too before it was all over.

You know what do I see happening? Man? I see Franklin, As you know, Franklin is a little resourceful motherfucker, right. I see him getting the line on Teddy's kids. I see him getting the line on somebody that Teddy knows, dog deep in the thing. And I see him kind of putting Teddy in the twist. Yeah, put Teddy in a twist because Teddy is the US government, Like I think that. I think at this point, make a book the government. Listen. If Teddy was to do some real bullshit,

you know, the CIA agents. You feel me, It's like some of these l a gang, they will kill a own and they can watch their hands and tell you any time, you gotta remember he's roped to give them plausible to my ability. And I'm saying they can always say we didn't know what the hell he was out there doing, and he just slid his throat. And I think that's what's gonna happen, Dude. I think it's a lot more to this than what we think. Dog. I think, I really think that Louis is more even than we think.

I think she orchestrated that hit. I think that's why she's trying. And so he had been on whack and King says she has something to do with that ship. Yeah, Louis definitely. Again, that's a character. I've liked you the whole thing. I respected her, come up, I respected or stay down. And the very last episode, you know, she

just lost me. I was like, damn, you're gonna do the nigger that made your multimillionare like that for a stranger for me that I get he can help you get more money, But I'm never with money over everything. Anybody who says that to some degree you feel me and really with some passion, I don't. I don't really trust nobody who says money over everything or self made, because if you say money over everything for me, that

means you sell me out. If if it's if, it's uh, If it's uh, I just lost my train of thought. It's money over everything, you sell me out. You say two of the world was self made, self made, that means you ain't giving people proper creating. Yeah, because don't nobody do it all body itself? Bro. It's also I think maybe in cases like that, and I don't mean like drug dealer cases. I mean cases where you have people that would, you know, double cross a partner for whatever.

It's like you have a lot of money, you're you can get a little, you can get more money, no question, get more money. But I think it's more that the money is emblematic about control and feeling like the ego stroke of being I'm in charge, this is me, Everything revolves around me. Then necessarily it's like, Okay, I got fifty million dollars in seven versus I have a hundred million dollars. You can't do a whole lot different, you know, if we're being honest, like you really can't. It's not

a lifestyle changing dollar amount. But the control element is a lifestyle changing mentality. Yeah, I feel you. You know, what, what is it about this stuff that you think telling us? Because I know he's saying this is page duty and everything. But I think Teddy actually likes being a drug lord. Dude. I mean it's pretty fun. It would be a lot of fun after consequences to selling drugs is fucking awesome outside of the fact you're hurting and injuring people. A

lot of a lot of fun. Oh my god, if like literally I didn't have to go to jail, oh my god, I've been doing it right now, I wouldn't have time to do the podcast still because at this point in my life, I genuinely care about human beings a little too much at that time, I think being ignorant to certain ideas, really believing people were making a conscious choice. What I'm saying, Um, remember, I wouldn't even do a liquor deal with still, Like, I'm like, yeah,

I'm cool. You shouldn't be terribly offensive, I understand. So, so, uh, I think Teddy. I think Teddy is a trooper. I mean, obviously there is certain parts of him that ain't right, because that's why you stay wrapped in the bullshit. But in in some way he probably compare himself to Andrew Jackson in different heroes that are that are, you know, reverer of the past. You haven't had to do ruthless things for the expansion of America. And I'm saying we

celebrate some of those people to this day. So no, it's it's a weird place for Teddy. But again, you know, I'm not working with us. I just don't think. I just don't know how evil it is. Again, everybody is so self motivating this situation, Like like Teddy and and and Leon and Louis and Jerome, you know what I mean, they were innocent until they realized what was going to happen to their community. Once they saw that happen, As you keep participating past that, feel me, that's when you

start to choose. That's what I think. Selling your soul is what I'm saying right there. It was. It was to a certain extent, I think, not even to a certain exting. Right, So what do you so where do you guys directionally think that they you know that the writers are gonna like go that the story is gonna track as far as how the CIA has dealt with.

It's like you can take the feel good approached and veered to the left or whatever and say, yeah, they're going to get their come up, and or you can go, we're gonna pursue kind of like the rhetorical, the rhetoric of they're beyond approach. They always skate, there's never any consequences for them, and go to the right and nothing happens to them, you know, like they do whatever the hell they do. They sweep it under the rugs. Some guy gets a medal and a pension and that's the

end of it. You know, like it could you could write it either way and it could be compelling either way. Well, you know what, I think. I think they're gonna guys like the whole thing. Man. I think it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be amongst people going to jail. I think it's gonna be. I think it's gonna mirror the real dope game because they've kept authentic so far. I can't see them just look Franklin, go out and do all this stuff and not have no consequences to it. Man,

for every action c I a ops. I think ultimately they could wind up throwing ten of the bus too. I think it's gonna be some blowback from this, just like it was before and and and everybody. Everybody played their position. Think about it, that story, Just think about Freeway Rick story in this self Gene doing this seem like that would still be national headlines. What's funny is the person who said him up didn't get no trouble.

That's what I'm saying. Dog, It's like nobody talks about that Dog, So all this stuff ultimately gets this miss that's almost being a myth, almost like it never happened, you know what. That is true for something to be of that epic proportion. It is not talked like it's

just a punk ass TV show. Yeah, think about it, bro Our government had pretty much destroy the urban and a lot of these things, and a lot of these communities still happen to recover to this day, Dog, A lot of these so tracking I never I guess I never thought about it like that. A lot of the communities, man that you know, was um suffer from the onslaughter, cracking all that. In eighties. People are starting to recover

out here, for sure. They just know I'm starting to recover. Dog, and I think at certain place, like when I go naughty, not just St. Clair, it's different. Don't do to Cleveland. It's definitely still well you know what Cleveland clinic brought a half He's Cleveland. So no, yeah, they've changed this half million their arms over there. Now you know that's big for a while, for a while. But the thing

you was, Dog, that was catastrophic to our communities. Dog, look at Detroit, all them empty houses that only drugs, but closing down the factories and drugs. Yeah, so you you you put all that together, Dog, and you find out that this government has something to do with this, and the ain't nobody talking about it. Bro we should never trust the government again as black people. It's my man, Pete.

That's what Pete always tell me. We should never trust the government again, Broke, because take Pete, like, man, the government some bushit that's generally how I look at it, And it's all white people by and large. You know, you go, it's so like when you think about it, bro, it seems like it can't be real, almost like this is a movie, right, but it's based on some stuff

that really happened, Bro. And I'm pretty sure you know what man, we gotta get ricked on here one day and really just break it down to him becase I've hear him talking about this stuff a million times, but do this seems like he keeping stuff out to you. Um, he got that pot with Dave Man, shout out to them that pot is dope. After the uh, after the snow. Yeah. Um, I haven't really got into a chat, but yeah, Rick

definitely gives the highlight of it all. Um. But I think there's a lot of moving parts, you know, like where Uncle Shitty and different people that was around the freeway boys could connect a lot more. It's like if you ask Franklin, you know, the character Franklin don't know quite how Like he might have had the general concept of how, you know, the trade around the rest of the country was gonna work, right, that was the general consensus around the rest of the country was gonna work.

Like Franklin is the kind of person that could drill, build up a blueprint, but that don't mean need to build a house. So I think that's what you get with Rick. I think you get the highlights where Rick you could slam dunks, the block shots, you know, the fights, but you don't get the true you know, defense for possessions in the row, the offensive rebound that changed the game.

And I think because Rick is spoken as like it's Rick, like Rick is just as you know this guy, and it's like the Freeway Boys for me, and whether Rick is the center of attention, you know, like Magic Johnson. That don't mean kareem my dude, Jabbar wasn't there, don't James Worthy wasn't there. I don't mean defensive you know phenomenon. Michael Cooper wasn't there, Barron Scott or Ac Green or Kurt rambas I was gonna saying how many how far down the line are you gonna you give? Kurt Rambis.

Rambis is my guy. I mean, I'm I'm a showtime baby. So I think that's the thing with Rick. I think Rick, you get the highlights, but I think you need to have more conversation with the Freeway Boys, probably to get more in depth of what's going on when it comes to gameplay. Well, you know what death what we should do, man, we need to hit big shitty. If I need to hit I ain't talk big about six months and uncle shitty freeway shitty man. Yeah, I gotta hit him up. Man,

that's the homie right there. We definitely need to get him on there. Well. For those out there that hadn't watched Snowfall, I suggestion go back and people I got on the series kind of late, fell in love when it went back and watched season one all the way up. I think it's the real deal. I think John Singleton is probably last give rest in peace to us. Yeah, and I think he's a genius. I think he's brilliant

and I'm glad he did it. Bro. John Singleton has chronicle West Coast culture like any other filmmaker man period. Like he's he's responsible for our stories being heard. I think, um boys in the hood with that represented. What I'm saying is is crazy, even baby boy small ideas like John is tough and Snowfall Like I said, that was his last gift he gave us. Yeah, a little little inside baseball on that topic, like I might not be

inside in this room, but to the audience hopefully. UM. I believe as I was told UM that John wanted to do make the show a small are a more local scope show, and the FX production people wanted to tie it into the larger Iran contra you know, scale and making it more broad national, international type of have

that twist in there as well. Do you guys like that that component was brought into the show at such a center point of the show or would you have liked the show more if it had been much more of a localized boys in the hood type of feel

for the show? Personally me, I think we got that, you know, I mean, I think we got that, and I think I think the show for its for it to continue, whereas that now you would have to take it further, you know, you would have to expand the ideas and you know, push past it because Rick was going further out of l A. You know, Rick was taken drugs all around the country. You know, his ship changed in in his click the freeway. Freeway Boys was

doing a lot so um. I like when John single to controlling then gave us the elements of how it affected the inner city. But I also enjoyed, you know, not as much the second part. I enjoyed the fact that they tire us into cocaine cowboy country. You know, they tied into Queen of the South ware. It shows that, you know, because remember they're not taking crazy trips. The last episode, they went to, uh, you know, the Wrigley Island,

Wrigley Island, that's where it was at. Still the Wrigley Island over the what's it called on that so what's the name? Went to what's the name of the island? When he threw his he went to the Wrigley Island had something way further away. They're not getting out of control, oh, you know. So I appreciate. I appreciate the dynamics to the characters. I really do. Um Franklin is just you know, it's a tough out. Like. I don't think he's a bad guy at all. I just think he's in a

little too deep. I think Franklin is a young dude man. He made a lot of mistakes that he's gonna definitely have the answer to. Um. And like you said, I think the writing was so brilling on there. I knew a lot of people get a show flet because John ain't there no more. But I think they're doing with John envisioned them doing. You know what I mean. You can tell his footprints all over this stuff. His fingerprints

is all on this thing, you know. But I appreci I appreciate it I really, you know, the ending is really spectacling. Um, I stand by Olso is the only one who lives, because So it is just that kind of cat. Well, we gotta see if Olso we gotta jail first, get out of jail. Also is the only one that could go to Mexico and just be down there, you know what I mean, you gotta be a different kind of person to even come deal with him. And

I guarantee you dog, do you know this? Olso had all that paper stick there also with the same jacket and every day dog. Yeah, he's the one you gotta watch out. Nothing more than what he is. And he's gonna like also is pure with this ship. Yeah he's a real deep boy. And said so. But I appreciate Sissy, you know, I think she had the right idea, Like you gotta kill Teddy. She understood the c I agent had to go. And that's a tough out because you don't know that he's a rogue agent. You know, you

don't know that. But she understood that he needed to be gone. There was no way. And she she got it better than Louis, she got it better than Franklin. She got it. She understood there was no way possible she could let anybody. He could let anybody live because they couldn't. They they had to put you in prison. They were gonna take your money, you feel me, or they have to kill you. So I think she had

the idea of the whole time. So I just want to go on record and saying how much I appreciate you know that sister for really understanding that you gotta cut the snake off right there and mean and deal with everything goes after that. She actually might I think she has an idea that he's a rogue agent. Well, I think she does. I know those people, definitely. I know those case b A just damn sure about the final Remember they got man, Yeah, they But you know what,

the hobby couldn't be trusted though. Dog how he was playing games over and he said, I founded the boy. But I can tell you stuff on him too. I'll be ready to give everybody up. I've he seen it do. He hasn't survived as long as he had without being a little filed. Remember how he was an the former too. He sneaks on some people. Yeah, obviously some ship man. That's I ain't gonna lie. A lot of people like Harvey, but and he was a cool character. But I was

happy when they got killed. Snitches, man, you gotta bias against snitches. Me and snitches don't really do well. Brother. It's just you know, it's it's and he was a cool character, but it's like he was a rat and he had everything coming in. I was so happy when he got killed. When it happened, I just smiled a little bit, like, yes, you know. The thing is, bro, all of them people getting what they deserve is open the pieces of ship people. Though I'm not with you there,

but I get what you're saying. A lot of more piece of ship people like Teddy whatever happens to him, though he deserves it. And then something I don't know if Teddy's a piece of I think Teddy has some really fucked up ways like that. The move with Louie is something I wasn't fond of, Like that was just trashy for me. Even from your perspective as a CIA agent and you're funding award. Franklin has been doing right by you. It's no way you go behind him. That

just stupid. You don't make two deals. You don't do that for me. You keep the pipeline going so and it was no reason for him to believe, you know, Louis was gonna do better. It was just him getting that. Frankly, he's taking it too personal and and that's something I don't like. But outside of that, like, I think Teddy has been pretty decent at conducting himself as the racist devil he is, what I'm saying, and as the patriotic soldier he is. I think he's done a decent job

for the most part. But again, he's in too deep. No, he got shot. He is fucked up, you know what I'm saying. And you know, I understand him having to kill out, like I get it from his perspective, like this Nigga Kaite lived for me. Also, I don't like. You know what I don't like about Teddy the fact that a CIA agent feels like he needs revenge. That's

the thing, like you supposed to be about justice. I'm I get as a white man, right and the CIA trying to fund award justice, but you shouldn't be taking revenge. And that's why I think I do agree with you that you know, his fatal flaw is his his desire for revenge versus keeping things just right, trying to trying to keep you know, the ground America has gained in other countries. Well, you know what, Dog, the biggest problem

with him is man is this one. He's not a member of the government anymore, so he's just a criminal at this point. So it's open season on anything that happened to his punk ass, and I can't wait to see it happen. I'll be the front rowing center because he's he's a snake dog like and he's probably like he probably arelmost like one of my top five most scandless people ever in the history of TV. Dog, God, damn you over you. That's a lot Dog. He he he's just doing the most man because he's a he's

a bro. When somebody can do the evil he does with a straight face. You ever know that his emotions don't never change. I don't know if he's top five, that's just a lot. I say so Dog top teen at least Dog most evil characters are on TV. Dog, I think Fairest from Boys in the Hood is more evil from Boys in the hoods when they kill Ricky that was the dude's man. Fairest Ye punk ass fairs. He can't fight. So we always trying to find a reason to shoot somebody. You would be the one to

dig back in the movie. You'll never knew that dude was naming the shot firs. He was some bullshit because he knew Ricky wasn't no nigger like that. Keep coming for that bro the first week later on Ye yeah, dope boy got cracking on him for me. Fairest old punk ass. I didn't really fuck with fares Um. Who else is a really evil character? Boy? That's an l a name for real. Ferris at ABC at a BC from OZ was another just BC prob was one of

the most trecheress dude. He definitely up there number two somewhere. He was just so scammers and he was just look at people who killed people that didn't have it coming. Why did you kill Ricky? Ricky didn't have to coming. That was scampers, man. But you know what, go check out snow for all if you haven't a gangster Chronicles. Thank you all for coming on the Knife fellas. Thank you. We did a review. Of course, jeep Um is betting

on Louis. He's Louis sympathized sympathizer. It's quite agree with his analysis wrongly, gonna knock them down wrong' gonna knock her down. Yeah, but we gotta see what you've got going on. Man, bullshit. Man, we just know Sailers tomorrow fresh. You know when no Seilers is fresh. We've fend to wrap it up. Um, really take podcasting into into a lot of hidden k's and taverns, you know, lighted light the way so people things they have never even seen

within the conversations, so we're just looking. We had a really dope conversation about urban street colloquialisms that was really dope for me. Um terminologies that that the culture is allowing to be gentrified so people can feel included. Um was amazing. It's me and Peter conversations. I try to make sure we always look for, you know, tunnels and caves that haven't been lit before. I try to light up and leave lights in those caves so people could

go in those rooms and have those discussions. So every now and then, you you know, you don't get a lot of credits being the first person to held the light. You know that Christopher Columbus discovered America, you know what I'm saying, But he wasn't the first niked Air. So I just made sure I hear the lids. We're putting up the landers for Chris to come over here and get the credit. But you know who really discovered this ship? Brother? Yeah,

for real, you're that Peter Ryce. What we do know? Man? Well, Martin Fellers, I appreciate you and make sure man you're gonna follow up my homeboy, Peter boss Man. Wish your Instagram Peter um Mr M I S T. E. R. Underscore Rose Gold. Where did the roles go? Then? You just really buy any Ginger? Yeah? Yeah, I'm rebranded Ginger. Rose Gold is red haired peer, part of the Rose Gold community. Absolutely, Pet you women like you too, you know that, not anymore than ya. They like you more.

I don't know. So one or two of them not not not enough, not anymore, man, That's all I can say. Not like they used to. All right, for sure, my brother, my brother, y'all make sure you'll check up. No stealings and we got here for real this time