Ep 126 OG Frog: Blood Origins

James and Big Stails the streets. Hello, we like to welcome everyone to another edition of the Gangster Chronicles podcast Number my homeboy, Big Jake and Big I'll let you allow you to do the introductions today. Ain't too many words to say about this brother right here. You know, you old school. He's he's been around along time and

then did time in prison. And I just want to say I'm glad to have him here to educate us, because I didn't learned a lot from listening to him talking to him on the phone, and uh, he makes a lot of valid points. So we're gonna let him say his name and bringing in and show us what he's working with. Green is my brother's assistants. I go by the handle of my African name is Hannibal cam Boon,

which means uh. Hannibal itself means grace to the people. No, cam Boon itself means love for the people, and Hannibal means uh, the oppressor being suffered by a lightning boat. So a lightened boat to the oppressor and love for the people. That's what Hannibal Camba means. Now. I want to also let you know that everybody know me already, but they also call me Original Frog a k A. Triple o G Frog. And the subject today is based on the truth. That's the name I'm gonna name this.

This this this episode right here is called the truth I'm saying. And I believe in the truth, you know, And it's it's kind of strange how things operate in life sometimes sometimes, you know, we get caught up and to just going by he say and she say. Things are what a person say instead of investigating, you know. And this is gonna be somewhat of like U are hearing like a courtroom hearing. In a sense, we're dealing with facts we're dealing with evidence, we're dealing with things.

We're dealing with things of that can become uh what you call uh without challenging some things you can't even challenge in life. It is what it is, you know, A C King Bubba Louis, that's my boy right there. And you know it's something that he said that I would always keep with me. He said, when you speak on something, you better have some them to bag it up with, because if you don't have nothing to bag it up with, that's all it is. It's just talk,

you know, and talk his cheek. My brother a picture says a thousand words. Witness also says a thousand words that can get you convicted. So my whole point is the truth, all right, let me let me, let me er Jake, let me come in here. When you say the truth is that is you're speaking on the truth of the history of how uh we came about gang banging and what what our neighborhoods meant and how they started what I mean the truth? Like well, a C King Bubba Louis, he had a dispute about the truth.

We're dealing with the brother Brown from from the West Side named Elgin, you know, and that got kind of heated because of I think it had a lot to do with ego tripping, you know, who's right and who's wrong. But in reality though, you know, for those who were there, you know, that's what it basically boils down to. I was there, you know, I walked on Poarou Street in seventy four and seventy five. I was there kicking it with Tab, I'm saying and putting in seventy and seventy

five before Tab got killed. So I knew these guys like Terry Carter and Ronnie Graham. So my whole thing is that being that I know these guys personally and I know they evolved. It evolved in from Pararaou Street. A lot of people don't understand that this just didn't happen overnight. This this was is something that just popped up. This was uh what you call evolution, you know, and the evolution was this that people still don't want to

uh believe. But I don't know why they don't want to believe, because maybe because the Brims have a longer history than the Powerus and then the Bounty Hunters. I guess they feel that, you know, ages. There's nothing really but the number when it comes to this right here. Because history has something to do with how can I say the origin and what is the origin? This is the origin right here. Let me show you the origin

brand New. I bought this just to show you something right here, This right here is the origin of the bloods, the real bloods. I'm saying that I know that I grew up with. This is the origin. And when I was in Centennial High nineteen seventy four, I never seen a red rag in my life claiming to be parru until I went to Centennial in seventy fold. Nobody had the red ban downa at Lock High. Before I went to Centennial, I was there with Peabody from west Side

dever Lay. I was there with Little or with Arthur Ray a little art from at this part. He was there him in black glove. From at this part. Nobody had the red ban downa in seventy fold. Nobody you know, but the par rouge. When I touched down, I would say, November seventy fold, the red rag or the red band downa or the red flag as people want to call it. All it met was just one thing in Compton and it didn't mean nothing else, and I never saw it nowhere else in Los Angeles. And the word that they

used for that red bandanna was pi rule. So from from from the Nickersons to the Swans, nobody had that. Nobody had that red bandanna. And it's kind of strange that the backup possess. I just saw a video of the origin of the Peace Stone with T. J. Rogers Rest in Peace, and he made a statement saying, back in nineteen sixty nine, everybody was saying cause, and everybody was wearing a blue rag, which is not the truth.

When he comes to Compton and watched my brother. And the reason why I'm saying that because I didn't hear the word cause until like seventy four, and I didn't hear the word blood until about like seventy folk seventy five, and the red bandanna and all that seventy four seventy three. This stuff did not happen in the early seventies, seventies seventy one. That's it's not true at all. Hey, let's pay some bills real quick and we can get right

back to y'all. Can I ask you a question for the people, How did the rear rag originate, like just just the symbolic, just the symbolism of how did how did that come about? Well, everything always have a reaction, my brother, for at one time it was white powered by the Cluekluk Klan. And what did we say in retaliation? Black power? Okay, when the Compton Cripts start wearing their blue rags after Buddhoog got killed, you know what I'm saying.

The Compton Cripts, the West Side Cripts, everybody start wearing blue rags. The Bloods didn't have nothing because we was in no bloods at the time. But when the Paru seen that blue rag, that opposition at Centennial that the apache is also known as a red The Centennial was painted red in burgundy also, so that can also be a clue for to give them the flag the red bandanna. But they took that red from Centennial and made it

into a bandanna. And when it became a bandanna, they took it to hy t S and when they took it to White t S, it became a blood rag and not a part room rag no more. And how and why would I say that is because let me uh tell you lb and little events is the original Power Rules who pushed that bloodline that took the place up Paroule. They pushed that all the way to the Bonny Hunters and gave the Bonny Hunters who threw up

the bee. As in Bonny Hunters, the first bee came from Bonnie Hunter, and they took that bee and brought to be two bloods. And the Paru took the bandanna and brought the bandanna into bloods. So they collaborated and they started to be and the Red rag as one that came into bloods. So it's a collaboration. The original b is Bonny Hunter slash blood. The original red Flag is Pareru slash blood. Together, they collaborated and started bloods, simple as that. Now for us the West Side, I

know this for a fact from my understanding. I was told that Jacomo said that he was fabricating. He confessed, and I'm glad that he did that because I was very angry at Jacomo because my homeboys help push this line, lost their lives in the process of all this, getting gunned down, you know, ambushed and all these type of things. So yes, I had an attitude and still do kind of got an attitude towards an individual who would actually fabricate on purpose just for the sake of a family member.

You know, I believe in this. We all need to have principles. Principles in life. Is this just because your homeboy is a rapist, that don't have to make you a rapist. You can tell your homeboy, hey man, that's not right what you're doing, and that makes you a real man. That don't make you know buster, That don't make you less stuff a gaster because you have principal. So don't follow what other people do because they're doing it.

Have be be a leader in your own right and stand up and know what is right and what is wrong. Now in this game thing of today, what we have mixed up more than anything is that we don't have forgiveness in our hearts. That's the key thing, right. We didn't have forgiveness in our heart back in our days when we when we were game banging. That the average game member that really got out there and participated and being a I'm talking about a real game banger, not

a gang member. We didn't. We didn't we didn't have a heart did ship. But but the eighties took it to another direction. My problem but that but it was the same. It's just it's just a fall back off of the old school ship because the old school just saying like my generation before me trying to a dog them where the tone that they were setting, they set the tone for us. And then when the co Kaine came in and you know, everybody broke apart and start

doing their own thing. Now and here we got you know, now we got more shootings. There ain't no fightings because I remember we used to get on our bikes and go to certain neighborhoods and fight. But the gunplay came. I was shot in nineteen eighty right here in my chest, and uh, that was the day I said the sticks, the bats and all that ship and took it to another level. If this is what you're gonna do to me,

this is what I got for you. So I don't have to torment you by being your ass a certain kind of way, stab you and all that other bullshit. I'm gonna take it in. It's easier walk away from it and don't hear nothing about it. Just don't talk about it. But today people get shot because of the color of the shirt you got on. So it's a

big difference. But I think we got away from the old school way, y'all way doing it a certain kind of way and then bam, Like I mean, I look at this book and it's got a lot of stories in it. So tell me where we fell off that as gang members. Well, I want to I want to splain it to you this right. I'm gonna use a brother for example, that came against from what the book says, four hundred cribs and did not get stumped out. And Bulldog was the leader, second in command, and he goes

by the name of Rhea a k. A. Ray. Boys, all you have to do is read a C book and you would see, Hey, this guy was no joke. What I'm saying. There's a picture that will be shown of him. You know, the a C explained to him, explained to the world better than I did in the in a sense, because you know, uh, for individual to get surrounded by a compound of crips around four hundred and they do not do nothing to him, you know, that is very very unusual. That kind of like remind

me of how can I put it? That reminds me of Bruce Lee in a sense I can remember when I should watch Bruce Lee. Everybody was surrounding him, but they was afraid to really attack him. He had to timid date them for them to make the first move. So you know you have some people man that you know they respect people who know how to fight. You know, there there is honor a mind's uh individuals and even groups. At certain time period, he got away with that because

it was a certain time period. Time brings on the big chance that though so at one time in gangsterism rules beef most of that wast cuffs. People used to go out there in box correct fistic cuff and that's what it's all about. Back in nineteen of any Folk, nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy two. Now, don't get me wrong, they had individuals that was getting a snipe that had reputation like Chocolate. You know, he got sniped by at

this part boy at lock High. And it didn't have nothing to do with no figure Roy Boys as took you would say in his book which is Blue Rays Black Redemption, you know what I'm saying. And in his book he said Chocolate was killed by a figure Roy Boy. I don't know why he said that. I knew already history already knew that he laid the foundation down, that it was at this part boys. And to give me a sense of thought of maybe he didn't want to give Anti cript the credit for that. That's the only

way I could come up with that white. Maybe he didn't want to just really put it out there like that. But I understand that we all have pride, you know, and we need to set the pride down and come with the truth. And the truth of the matter is, you know, don't change the script because of your dislike or because of your pride and arrogant You have to keep that real for the simple fact because all them brothers Cripton bloods who perished behind this not sense, And

I say it again, not sense. You're saying they need to be I ain't gonna say honor, but they don't need to be disrespected. Also, I would say that I feel, are you telling the lie on somebody who died for something that they believe in. I think that's that's a slap in the face. I believe the old saying used to be, Hey, that brother turning over in his grave.

You know what I'm saying. Behind what you just said, and by that statement turning over in your grade mean that means whatever you did, you made a dead person disgusted of you to turn over in their grade. So when you sit up there and you bring on uh episodes on, well, uh, ray Boys was a fighter and he never picked up a gun. So therefore, uh, my shot caller, which is Raymond Washington, he never picked up

a gun. Also such as what cuts would say, such as for the cookie would also say, But I'm here to let you know that there's books here that I can elaborate from a C King Bubba Louis original power route he had it in his book, and letting you know the truth about this, comrade Raymond Washington, the original east Side Crims, because any cripts came, Bubba Louis was original original. He was there day one with Raymond for

at least about a year or two. Raymond Washington, okay, nineteen sixty nine, nineteen sixty nine, Raymond Washington, uh uh and a C King Bubba Louis was uh road dogs together. And when a C. Bubba Louis became a part rule and start banging with pot Roue because he got shot up by some Compton cribs and in a drive by a motorcycle incident. He had a to fire this heart behind that, so he didn't focus on He didn't focus on any cribs. He focused only on Compton. He said

it himself. He had nothing to gainst the east Side Crips. Those his loved ones. But the Compton Crips though, was his most hated enemies, and he proved that by even going to y A for a murder. So I cannot take nothing from a C because he's a real warrior. He's also a real warrior to the point where he got down told and told with one of the toughest goliath. Yeah, goliath like in David and Goliath, James Miller. I hate to say it, but they call him James Miller the

brim Killer. And he was bigger than Tookie. Him and a C Kim Baba Louis they squared off in juven On Hall. So just by a C squaring off with a big goliath like that, that showed me automatically that he believed what he stood folk when he became pirou. You know, we have to understand that, uh, this this gang activity is kind of similar like religion. If I claim to be a Christian or Muslim, and I decided to change my faith. Like Malcolm, he did the same thing.

He once believed that all white folks was devil, but then he went to Mecca and he's seen that there were white folks also in Mecca. So his whole perspective and his whole view of humanity dealing with Islam was different than what he was being taught as white devil because he was breaking bread what is Muslim brothers and Mecca? And he found out the culture there was not racist? So how can he be racist when Islam is not racist? Now?

Can I ask you a question for aug You know what the advent of the internet that gives different people voices. Sometimes that's for the better. Sometimes, as we see, is for the worst. There's a lot of bullshit that's out there too, right, how much of the stuff do you think online the day of the people seeing as accurate? Well, that's a good question right there, because that's kind of hard to this say. The only way I would think

that our individual can come up with truth. It's just like when you study the Bible, you know what I'm saying. If you study anything that your heart is deeply into it, you're gonna research it to the point to where you're not biased enough to say, well, let me read the only Koran, Well let me read the Torah. Sometimes you have to know how to put the puzzle together. That

this is a big puzzle to me. You know, I once told somebody that this reminds me of gumbo, and that you know that the word gumbo and Swahili it means okra, and without okra in your gumbo, you don't really have real gumbo. So I look at myself as an ocra of the gumbo. I'm trying to keep it real, keep the gumbo real, and without me telling the truth, I don't think that it would be real because I don't think that they have real enough guys around to

stand up for the real. You know, people might dislike me behind the real, but you know what, Hey, they just like Jesus, They just like Malcolm, and they're just like a whole lot of other people who stood up for the truth. The King died for the truth. It's a lot of people like go to guys. Because I can't nobody at thirty forty tilled the history of bloods are crips. Can't nobody sit here at forty and tell me about Raymond Washington, Pooky or none of these guys.

I get it from my uncle's name that was there, that that's of that age sixties seven sixty eight years old at this time. Now, Um, you got a lot of misconception out there what CRIPS was supposed to be, or what it meant, or what Raymond Washington wanted it to be, and it wasn't this what you see today. You know what I'm saying. You got you got bloods out there, such as yourself, coming with with real facts

and the truth. Because a lot of these older guys is getting out of prison after doing thirty forty one years and they're saying, this is bullshit. Why the fuck I come home to this? This is what I gave my forty years for. You know what I'm saying. I'm speaking for those dudes in Vain. You know what I'm saying. I didn't did thirty one years. Marcus just got out doing thirty one years LB. And there's so many brothers that lost their lives believing that this is the way

it's supposed to be and it's not. It's You've got guys out there just call the false prophetis speaking on something and and pretending to be the Messiah of the par rouge, the Messiah of the crips. And if if they don't know the history and can't really sit down and tell you the history of this, where do we go to. Let me ask you this question, is any particular person that you prefer to when you said that, No, No, I don't. I don't. I don't think that's necessarily Okay, Well,

we're gonna keep the line moving. I'm just don't keep it one hunting with you. You know, I do not like fabrication when it comes to this game history. And the reason why because I don't see so many people doing life in prison, so many people don lost their life and you know, in the graveyard pushing up daisies, and I think that it's like, you know, so disrespectful

for those who did keep it real. But let me ask you this, fro have you seen anybody out there just saying stuff that it just gets up under your skin because it's so off the cuff. That's a good question. Again. I like you, man, you answer the question that I want to answer. Well. Number one is this I understand man, that the things that we did in life is very shameful. It's really nothing to brag about. You know, people that lost their mothers kids don't lost their life sitting at

the bus stop. You know, people don't lost their life just because they want to wear burgundy or blue and they have nothing to do with game banging. So we have all this negative energy. But then you want to stop it off. We're not telling the truth, you know, and I believe that, you know, it's very shameful. On the thing means that we did, you know, because this

stuff was real wild. And what I mean by wow, I mean it gets down to the point where people even start running at each other houses and stuff like that. But I just want to say this right here and right now. The only thing, and Wat's that I knew in l A that fed the people, sold newspaper to the people, or gave people free newspaper of literature. And the only thing they were saying was off the pigs. They wasn't taking leather coast, all the leathern coasts they

had on. I'm quite sure they went and bought them or their congrads gave it to him. And that was the Black Panther Party. I remember them like yesterday, you know, and that and that's what I call love. When you feed somebody and you educate somebody, you know, and you and you want to protect somebody from the system that be, the power that be, which is evil against your own community. Those are my type of heroes. You know what I'm saying now. When we came out with the negativity, the

Crypts and the Bloods fighting each other. You know, instead of following behind the Black Panthers are picking up the guns and practicing revolution, we was practicing self destruction against each other. We didn't have no dialogue or nothing. Everything was always to find a reason not to come together, then to find a reason to come together. But we

all accepted that we are. I think I think every game banger that's that exists today that are used to game bank, we all accepted our titles are roads in the hood or what we are, what we're gonna be. And I think at one point, and I can speak for myself, you might walk out the door and might not come back through this door today. You know, you accepted death by doing what we're doing, you know what I'm saying, Because you might it might be your day you get caught up. So I mean, I think it's

rougher than that. Uh, we didn't look at the black panthers. We didn't cat what the dope was doing to the to the to our neighborhoods. We didn't look at uh that cat that's next to us. We didn't. We didn't. We didn't give it. We didn't give a funk. And that's where our life was at. So my whole thing is trying to educate these young cats that we have out here today that don't notice history, that don't don't notice nobody in these pictures, like myself. You know what

I'm saying. Brothers that stood in the middle of the street by itself and called everybody out come on this road. And the mentality when I read that part in the book where he had to monocot the cocktails, posted up hide and waited till everybody walked up, and then when the situation happened, they threw the cocktails. That strategical ship. To me, I'm into that type of ship. I love that type of ship. In my days, I didn't just go off and just feel like just Bam, I planned

my ship. But what least you're confesses and That's what I like. I like brother who can just confess, even even if it's even if it's wrong. The confession is good for the soul because that means you you you, you're not in denial. It just brings me back to you know, this is what we used to be, like just like O G. Frog, just like Uh China Dog and all all the guys. You know, these cats is coming home from thirty one years. They're not looking at

who they used to be before they went. Because I believe everybody that went to prison and did forty for for the hood or kill somebody for the hood or day they h the opposite side and then get out, you don't see that. You don't when you come home and something totally different. Everything was there is gone. So now they're looking at this ship like, man, this ship was for nothing. I didn't. I gave a already fucking years for nothing. I believe my brother not to cut

you off. I believe that there's a word or saying that they used to say back in the sixties, and I think that it's still true right today. And I don't know if they used to in word when they said this, but I used to hear this and I truly believe this, and I'm gonna use it in a respectful way. I think Black people it's afraid of revolution. That's why we kill each other. I think we're afraid

to go against the system. The system is still our master, so we don't kill master just saying, well, another slave, we would kill him because why he's worthless, you know. And now we have the Tennessee. We have the Tennessee of saying, not everybody, but some individuals have a tendency of coming with the thought. Are the romantic version of that Crypts and Bloods at one time was revolutionary. They

were fighting the police. That's nowhere in history where the beginning of the Crypts and Bloods came out fighting against the police or calling their self revolutionaries for the community. My thing is this, my brother, You know what I'm saying. It's good to have that train of thought. Once you learn about yourself in prison or somebody teach you that in Islam that is about self love and love for your brother. That's a good thing to do. Brother. But

for us, the beginning of this, brother, we was all teenagers. Man. We wasn't thinking like uh, George Jackson. We wasn't thinking like uh Huey Newton. We didn't have that mentality. A matter of fact, the go deeper a c Bubba Louis, King Bubba Louis, he said himself that the Crypts with Raymond Washington did not have no principles and morals of defending the community. They wasn't even about that. King Bubba Louis himself says that they was about taking leather coats

and beating people down. And now I just wanted to just read this very quick to you to see what King Bubba Louis had to say about Raymond Washington being armed with a firearm compared to Gray boys who never used the firearm. I just wanted to see what King Bubba Louis has to say in his book, which is

called The Starting Lineup. I'm quite sure it's a blockbuster seller now, so we all know where where I'm probably going with this, and where I'm going with this is this putting that putting on Parous Street had a big brother named Sakai. They got into an incident with the original crips at Gonzalez Park because they was in Parouh hood at that time. So what had happened was the pararouse heard about it and they went up there knowing

that there was outnumbered. But what they did they rushed the guy that was on the outskirts of the crowd, maybe by father. Six guys got beat down by some powerus on the outskirts and Raymond and the crowd heard about it. So what did Raymond do he with the Pararous Street, with all the crips to go deal with these pious who just did a sneak attack against them

and Paru Hood at Causal's Park. And I just want to read this real briefly, and I just want to elaborate on this and see what the brothers have to say about the the gunplay as we would call it of Raymond Washington. And this is from King Bubba Louis. This is not from me. I'm getting this from somebody who was right there day one. And this is what the word of a c King Bubba Louis said. Once back to Parous Street, we waited for a possible counter

crip attack on Parous Street itself. We waited with Marti cocktails in hand on both sides of the street, hiding our weight. Wasn't long within an hour or so, the crypts mask onto Central Avenue, interest to Parou and such numbers that as they proceed down Parus Street, we could not see past them. Once again, it had to be a hundred or more. As they approached where we were in hiding, they were not aware or where we were hiding.

Saki came out of hiding this putting brother Sakai with an African spear in his hand and stood in the middle of the street and announced, this is sack I X Avenue and now Paru me and Raymond Washington can settle this issue head up. One of the crypts said to Raymond, he's calling you out. So instead of Raymond meeting this challenge head up, he ran up the middle of the crypts towards Saka, shooting a gun. When Raymond starts shooting, we who were in hiding, launched our Marti cocktails,

causing the crypts to retreat. Sakai somehow was able to proceed them Parou Street, resulting in all the crypts fleeting Parou Street. Now this is King Bubba louis a c This is his book. This is not my book. This is his story, This is not my story. Do I believe it. Yes, I believe it. And the reason why I believe it because a C love Raymond. Raymond is not a C enemy. He still loves Raymond. He'll let

you know he still loves Raymond. And board Dog. He had no reason to sit here and fabricate on Raymond Washington. But the truth is that Raymond was a gunner and he shot up Parou Street. Now you can call a C a lie, but he know Raymond before anybody just about who was there, because he was there from the beginning. So the only one that can call him a life probably is board Dog and get away with it because he was chain of command number two. Do anybody want

to elaborate on that subject? Another case right there, one brother willing to go head up another brother with a gun. Okay, So that was kind of like the thing, like, that's what I want to know. When did the pistol play really start up? Like the pistol play, my brother? That's kind of heavy, man, that's real heavy when you say the pistol play, because that right there, it is just about the beginning. That's before the brim even got murdered, when country was even dead. Yet this is the beginning

at cooking up right here. This Molotov cocktails. You know that sounds like the military. I know, I know. Before seventy one they was using the zip guns and then they introduced that and the dirty Age special that was in the sixties. Uncle Willie used to carry zip gun in the sixties. Uncle t thirty eight in the late sixties. So they always had guns because back then, robbery was a motherfucker at that time. That's how brothers was getting

their money. And you had the like with with with and and oh my god, just what you read right there. It's what I've been talking about the whole time. Whether what is it gonna show us to say that where we at today is wrong opposed to where they were at and their time was right. They was doing it totally different. It's pretty much the same ship. But then it just more, it just advanced more, and and when it got to me, it was full fledged. So we

can't stop it now, We can't stop it now? How do we how do we take the history of what your brothers broun to the table and turn it around and and and shove this bullshit down the stoat? Well, I would say that and defense of Raym because I'm gonna tell you the true brother to know the only solution I know. I only know one solution. Matter of fact, I know to solutions. My number one solution is I believe only God can change everything. Everything. When I tall everything,

I mean everything for the better. I don't think a man can do it. I don't think so. I don't think a man can do it. I think only God can do it. I've been on this earth for sixty three years. I think only God can do it. So you don't think if if these youngsters here your story came by theolution story, a China dog story, LB story, accept the Anne story, all of these old g s coming out and telling the truth about what the funk it is? Part handed my brother. I handed you was

once hard handy who can tell you anything. I'm kind of nobody in their position. Put yourself in their position to think how you were, and that that's all you have to do. And that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. I've thought about that many times. That's why I can't get on this on this platform and say these stupid little motherfucker's I was a stupid, little motherfucking I can't be contradicting. I can't be a hypocrite about this ship.

I always want them, Okay, So take from what I know and how I'm thinking now and apply to a fourteen fifteen year old, Because if you're thirty five and forty five and fifties still out there gangbanging, ain't no saving you. This is what you want to do. Some of us are trapped. So how do we get out of that, out of the mr being trapped and and

listen and understanding what we see here? Well, I have to think one thing because my conscious is really getting the best of me on this, and not to push whatever you're saying to the side, but to try to add, to understand it, onto this, onto this subject. And I would say this, we have to look at the Raymond side of the point of view. Also, he's only human.

If a man is in the middle street with a spear calling you out in front of your homeboys, I'm saying into your homeboys, whisper in your ear, what are you gonna do? And you're supposed to be the shot caller and they're looking at you, they're saying, and he got a spear in his hand. You know you need to do two things. Put down a spear and let's get down, or you could do another thing. You can get an equalizer. You're saying something that maybe over an equalizer,

you know. Uh. I look at it as a blessing that he didn't kill the brother, you know, so maybe he shouldn't have picked up the spear anyway. But the only point that I'm making exist they have some people brother, that walked this earth. No matter what you do, how you want to fight, they're gonna take the lower role in the lord road, the lord row. See. The higher road to me in my mind, is is a person

who thinks that they are superior over somebody. The crypts. Yes, they they superior over all the games that was existing against him, you know. And I hate to say this, but man, they was dangerous man. There was some dangerous brother man, and Raymond had to push that line to show his power. Still, you know, he ruled with an iron fish, my brother, so maybe that pistol that was made out of iron. Maybe he wanted to rule with an iron pistol. So you know, either or iron fish,

iron pistol, he made his choice. And that's the bottom line into this game thing it's your choice. It's your choice if you want to fight a brother, and it's your choice if you want to kill a brother. So I can't tell you what choice to make because that's your choice. Hold that thought. We're coming right back. I'm gonna go back to this question because I know we're being like, Um, you know you're coming home because you

did some time. When did you come on? Brother? I came home man two thousand and eight after doing sixteen years from Rodney Keen Riot. So I did that sixteen that gave me thirty and I did half of it and gave my heart to the Lord and I made it out in halftime. Okay, So let me ask you this, brother. So we got a situation of where you come home. You're going in during the riots and you come out. Technology is just way more advanced now at this point,

and you're looking online. Um, I don't know if it was that point where people start really putting this type of content out online, but you're looking at everything, right, have you ever seen anything that what perturbs you the most about the lives? Like, is there any particular person or any anyone in particular You're just kind of going at all of them. Are you speaking at for it changed me changing my lifestyle. No, I'm talking about as

far as the brothers out here. That's kind of like, um, you know, talking about gang history, but they out there kind of perverting effects. Well, I would say this about this man. You know, I believe that you know, huh. I hate to go religious on you, but I believe in the word of God so much to the point that stone reason why I believe I truly really stopped you know, uh, soltlude people and shooting people and even fighting people, because I believe that what really makes you

a man is forgiveness. What really makes you a man is turning the other cheek because you know what, my brother, is easy to catch your murder out here. And then when you get stuck up in there. You know what I'm saying, the first thing you're gonna say to yourself again, I should have followed my first mind, you know. And I think that love over ruge. Hey. I believe that love overpower everything on this earth. And that's the hardest thing for a person to do is show love to

an enemy. That's the hardest thing to show love to someone who killed somebody that was your friend. Who killed somebody that was your relative. Do you remember colors by Iced Tea. He said, it wasn't your brother who brutally died, but it was mine. So let me define my rhetory. Don't cross the line. Don't try to act crazy because the U won't fade me. You're run like a punk. Yeah, that's what Ice t saying. I believe that it wasn't your brother who poorly died. So sometimes you have to

understand that when people have cagedies on both sides. It's like the hill buildings, It's like the Federal and and the Klansmen during the time of war when they were the Confederate You know what I'm saying. Of course, the sleeve got the slaves was free by during the war, uh with the clueklu klans as the Confederate army. But you have to understand one thing. They did not forgive the black people, but they forgave the white people and

became the part of the United States government. But they still had that hatred for the slave because it's the superiority trip. Who are you to live on the level that I lived when my granddaddy had you in the cotton fields and we have that same mentality. Who are you? You know what I'm saying, what a little gag the size of maybe ten people when I got a thousand people, You're nothing to me. You're a buzzard, You're nothing. But then again you have to understand, then, this is what

I believe in. It's not the amount of people that exists, it's the heart of the people that exists in that number. So you can have a thousand cowards, what that have to do with Dillingwood a hundred warriors. They're gonna lose because guess what, They're going to retreat and they're gonna

keep on retreating because for the simple fact unestimation. Unestimation is what got a lot of crypts and blood killed today by thinking, Oh, I can go over here and mess with this female on Hoover Street, or I can go over here and mess with this female on Grandy You know what I'm saying, But have you ever thought about that the female that you are messing with on Hoover Street a Grandy Street, or set you up to

get you killed. And that happened many times because you unestimate not only the crypts, but also oh undercovered crippolette that sets you up. Well, that's to making the female with that, and that's what happens that that's that's real because every every all my baby mama's from the crips from Hoover, uh i e south Side, all of my

baby mamas crips. And and trust me, my first seld mama lived on a hunting in the eighteen so I used to catch the bus straight up Rosecrans to San Pedro and mob down San Pedro to her house just over there, just kicking it like it's the thing with with with Chuck Taylor's on in my red shoe strings and my little pistol and just mob and because we didn't care back then. But they never fucked with me. You was blast, you had you had to hand a guy on you that that that's more that didn't make it.

That did made it. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Then we didn't give a fucking we if that was the game, that was the game, you know what I'm saying. And then you know, we didn't pay attention to how many people we heard by just hurting one person, how many people we heard it just doing that one person vice versa. We don't think about that the impact that that that we had out there in the streets, you know what I'm saying. And that's where we need to

get to. And these brothers right here, I mean, we've been doing this ship for a long time, for a long time, and it was it was brothers like yourself that I watched, watching China Dog them up under the headquarters, Stanley pitched, and watching all of these brothers, how they got down, how they moved, how those cats uh would would be fighting in the park and nobody give up. Man, I gotta be like that, how China Dog could wave his hands and all them eskin is what's up, homies?

What's up? Big homie? He had it sold up like I don't know, fuck, you know, just just certain things about certain homies. I drew to that. I gravitated to that, and I took a little something from China Dog. I took a little something from Stanley Pitch. I took a little something from both Jangles. I took a little something from all of those guys and just wrote it all

up in one. That's how I'm rolling. So I can't be denied of who I'm gonna be I can't be denied, and I worked my ass off to be that motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. But now the regret, the regret it, and then we have I mean, this is history right here, like some real cats, like in some real life ship, but it's ten times worser now. And then you got people lying on these cats that really, like you, went to prison and fought those wars, and then they come home and say they fought the war,

but they've never been a motherfucking prison. Well, you know what, my brother, I'm gonna tell you something. Man. You know, we all have our individuals who we look up to, you know, and those who who I even look up to myself. And Ray Boys and t V Clark. T V Clark rest in peace. He just passed away. And he's a historic co brother, just like Ray Boys. And

I have a picture of both of them. T V is the one with the black hat on wearing all black and Ray Boys have a beige hat with a black black band on it, wearing a blue shirt, and he's smiling real real wide. These two brothers right here, my brother, I know without a doubt, and can't nobody tell me, but God, they didn't pick up no guns, brother,

back in the sixties and the seventies. Know what I'm saying, Like I said before, these are our guns right here, my brother and I got that from them learning that same thing with Craig Munster said sometimes, brother, you know, you have to understand that what makes you more of a man to me, as I had to mature and the evolve into this mentality, what makes you more of a man is when you can know how to protect yourself from the shoulders. Because I want to tell you

something about that, my brother. What I'm saying, a coward can shoot a gun, my brother, a coward can shoot a gun. And majority of us and I would I'm I'm gonna put this lightly, majority of us as gang members a k a. Gangsters that want to be on the scene as a gaigster. The ones who like to shoot up everything and don't fight, you know what I'm saying, Those are the ones, brother, that need to be disciplined to me to learn how to fight. You know, See,

do we we don't have no organization. We just do things round the league. And so therefore by people doing things round them league, they're not trained. They just do as as they please. You know, like uh T Rogers said himself, the Black Stones had principles, they had you know, they trained each other, they knew, they had knowledge, and they was an organization. We were not an organization. The Cryptim Bloods. We didn't start organizing until we went to

prison in Saint Quentin. And then folks him and Tracy just like they had to organize, and Dwight Ts Ray Boys and Baba Louis and Little Vins and and l B. They was all organizing. The Bondar Rugs. They took the red bandanna which meant py u, and took the bonny hunter sign which meant blood, and came together as Bondar rugs. And that's organizing right there, to come together against the opposition. Now, the same opposition we came against. We're black people who

we felt that was terrorizing the community. But what about the police? Don't they terrorize the community. Why we so so quick to take off on each other. But when it comes to that guy, huh and that and that black and white police are you're saying, when when when when he comes on the block, first thing we want to do is either run, drop our guns are surrender and everything but if somebody come down, get ready to

it drive by, you're gonna spray that whole car up. Right, self hate, my brother self hate what I'm saying, And that's what I do. Just like about gang members who do not have heard enough to stand up against the system, like they stand up against their own people oftentimes. Um, what I do see a lot of time, man, there's a lot of self hatred just amongst black people period, not just the gang bangers. Right because you look, um, you will see brothers start to elevate and climb, you know,

and they climb it's like you're climbing the fence. And James, Um, the way James described at one time was perfect because he said, it's like you're crawling over a fence and you got a million motherfucker's grab next your ankles to pull you back down. Right. Um. I think it's a lot of that. Um. We see things that have in the community, we have bypassed that, but yet we go slap the ship out of this brother over here that's not bothering nobody. And I think a lot of that stuff, man,

was programmed in us. I believe the Willie Lynch letter, all that stuff is very real man. I think a lot of stuff is just strategy strategically in place now to destroy the black community. I really believe that if you look at it, if you look at some of the stuff that's going on, even with the way gang banging is set up in itself, you know what I mean. It's like you look at the Nixon Gardens, right, you have a place of property, right, it's property all through

they don't. Nobody got nothing. So the one person that does get something, whether that's legal or legal, whether that it could be a brother just going down to the docks and getting the job on the docks. You know what I mean, you have a million motherfucker's mad at him because he went and got that. How dare he

tried to progress? And now he's talking about now his kids going to school, saying, yeah, we're about to move out of here, the other little kids here, that stuff like, how dare they leave the six waste that they in? What do you think about that? Brok? But I believe that misery love company my brother, you know, and even

sends it in the body with my brother. When people go to hell and they go to the Lake of Fire, they're gonna be cussing each other out in the name of Satan because they're gonna be so tormented to where your pain is gonna be hurting you so much, to where you'll be taking it out on your neighbors in hell. You know. So I understand what that dialogue means right there, my brother. That means that people don't like suffering by theirselfs. And when you come from a property area like that.

And if I remind me of a song when I was a little boy back in the days, the Temptations sing a song, don't let the jones get you down. What I'm saying, if you see something you won't and you know you can't afford it, you know what what I'm saying, the best thing you to do is go work for it. Don't be jealous of your neighbor because they got a new Cadillac. Go buy you a CADILLAK keep saying, save up your money and get you something you know, uh.

And if you can't do that, you're saying, find something uh constructive to do where you don't have to be focusing on materialistic things exactly. And you know, speaking on that, I gotta give a shout out to my boy Anthony Tiffic dude Dog from the Nixon Guardens, you know, startup top Dog Entertainment. He's one of the first entertainers I've seen actually do everything right that comes from the gang life. You don't see him out there, you know, he ain't

went and dropped, did no negative stuff. Hedn't win and got twenty thirty armies from the Nickersons and just take out there and let him terrorize people. That ain't what he did. He brings a concert there every year. He employs people, you know what I mean. He he brings some positive that he gives. He gives back to the community in a positive manner. He's not one person. He can't help everybody. But I do see him do some amazing stuff over there. And you've got some people that

leave and just never come back. Why do you think that is? Man, that's kind of heavy. My brother leave and never come back. What do they leave to my brother? You know, just catch that, you know, theoretically, escape and make it out of there like they may make. They may it made him, you know, to escape out of there. It may be you are simply is moving to the ind of the empire. You may have got a good job and just left went to them. Ain't never going

back around here no more. Brother, you're talking about me. I'm that man. I'm that man who only go to Nikos and Gordon average once a year, or every once or tw twice a year, you know, every six months or once a year. And I want to tell you why, my brother. I love them brothers over there. I left a lot of brothers over there I love. I got love for Loaf Rinsey, I got love from them Lockboys also we we I love them brothers, you know what I'm saying. I love Snoop, I love them with them brothers.

You know, those my second generation brothers, and they're growing up over there still. They've been there since the sixties, in the seventies. And it's something about the love that I have for them. Brother. I understand that it's not easy for everybody to make transitions from out the project, coming straight from prison. You got to have money, man, to live in a nice neighborhood. And I was just blessed enough to to to know a church foundation that

they gave me and my wife. They're what they called it their credit to rent a house. I didn't have no credit when I came home, I didn't have nothing. What I'm saying matter fact, you know, saying I was living with for family members. Now I have something that I have my family in and and that is something that that that I really value. I value that. Guess what it's like. It's like returning to slavery in a sense,

slavery is proverty. That's another sense of proverty, you know, And that's why they want to keep us at in a slave like state of eating pork and throwing the guts to to the slaves and were eating their leftovers. That that's how they treat us in that sense. Right today, you know, they don't give us the best food in our community. You see a looking store and McDonald's everywhere, But do you see uh farmer John's or whatever the places that that that that they grow that organic food.

You don't see that in wants and comfort. So they don't help our best interest, brothers. So what we have to do put our money together, brother and start our own organic food supply because they're not going to give it to us in their neighborhood. They're gonna put it in their own community. Now, the thing about an individual

leaving the neighborhood and not wanting to come back. The only way I can see that if you truly, truly make a one hundred I'm talking about one hundred percent change in your mind and heart to the point to where some things that you're do in life, in some places that you have been in life, in your mind, it can be disgusting. In other words, it can be tormented to you to the point to where you want to never see that again. You don't want to even come in contact with that norm. It's just like a

female being raped. You. You you get so term tormented to where now you don't want to go down in peril highway through wats. You don't want to go down the one on five because it brings back bad memories. And you know, and and here it is now you live in a luxury, a luxury life to the point to where you want to leave all that behind you. And you know, that's what I call keeping the line moving. So you can't be mad at a brother because you don't want to return to Oh No, never because I

left a place. I left the east side of Cleveland, Ohio, and ain't winning back. Ain't never went back because it was it's priority. It's a lot of priority. It's depression. You know. You see homeboys that you come up with, they get hooked on that dope or that they go to, you know, prison just you know, just getting out of prison. It's just like a revolving door almost up there, you

know what I mean. You see a brother staying, You go back to the crib and you say, well, man, I ain't miss it because this dude right here, he was just out when I came back, and now he's back in there. You know, it's a revolving door. And that that takes me back to my point. Man, I believe a lot of this stuff is designed for it to happen that way. Then I believe they didn't have to do that hard of a job because I think we are own worst enemies a lot of times. Yes,

it is. I just parolled fourteen years ago from a California man's college and I was down there with my partner named Marcellus Robinson from Compton. And you know that's my boy right there, cec Rodder, that's my loved one right there. Just talk to him over the phone. Uh, Mellie Mayle hooked es up together and I got love for that brother, you know. And you know what we have to understand, my brother, is that you know, uh,

some things can be very tormented my brother. You know, it would be just like, uh, they got some brothers that hate prisons so much they'd rather die on the streets than they go back to prison. They would they would tell you, I'm holding court in the streets. And I can understand that mentality because this pain is suffering to live through. That is suffering, my brother. It takes a very strong individual man to do forty years, to do forty five years, like my boy LB. It takes

a lot man to do that. We all can't do that, my brother. And you won't really really really know until you up against their grind because everybody can say, yeah, that ain't nothing, I ain't gonna kill myself, But it's a lot of brothers that have killed themselves. I'm not gonna go to the names right now, but we also know that a lot of strong brothers have committed suicide up in them joints because they can't get away from the torment. And the torment is this this, this is

this is me. This is this is my personal personal belief. I think we fight ourselves. Sometimes we fight our own demons and we lose the voices that go to your head. You would never be nothing. You'll always be in the ghetto. When you go home, nobody don't love you. You're coming back again all these things. Your your mother died and you weren't even there for the funeral, you know, saying your son died and you weren't even there for the

federal That's that. That's the voice of demons. Brother, are trying to get you to commit suicide. And believe it or not, I want to say it because it's one hundred You gotta watch with some of your homeboys. Tell you also, because they can also be demodic. They can mislead you to to get killed. They can mislead you to get destroyed. What I'm saying that goes also in the realm of human beings, not just satan. You know, You've got some people out of these streets that take

a form of satan. Then you just don't see it exactly because I tell you this, and this is how I was aged. I've never been a man for gossip. Right. If I'm riding down the street and I see your wife in the car with another man. I'm not gonna jump on the phone and tell you, hey, frog, I guess saw your old lady out here with something niked. That's messy. I don't know who that man was. I don't know who that was. That could have been her daddy. She could have been with her brother, she could have

been with her uncle. I don't know what place you went. And mentally you maybe already having some stuff with your

old lady and she come home. Next thing you know, you in prison for doing something your old laddy for a misunderstand if it's some stuff that was gossip, right, And I'm gonna tell you the definitely lives out there, and the devil does man and fest yourself in homies and this and that because you have some homeboys that have called you about your business that they don't know nothing about, telling you about what's going on with this, this and the third, and then now that you've got

a big menagerie going on a bunch of mess. So it is a spiritual condition. It's a condition of the spirit. Man, Let me tell you about real love, my brother. I can remember when I was a solid dad and we got ready to take off on the white boys, the bloods and the rips, you know. And we was in f wing. Already told his story twice and I'm just gonna just elaborate on this. I had a homeboy. He was there with me and they was silkie blood. He was not even in the wing that we was in.

He popped up in there just to holler at me to see what was going on. And the first thing I told you get out of here is gonna go down. I don't want you up in there because you're not gonna get away. You're not. You're out of bound. So I'm letting you know right now for your safety and for you to stay on the main line. Leaves that was out of love because you have some guy what's called him and say he's a coward for not staying. See,

he don't have the best interest in hand. You know some things, brother, you can handle on yourself, and you ain't gotta take nobody down with you every time. And that's what real love is about, brother, is wanted somebody to least escape out of the madness, what I'm saying. And that's where we have it all twisted, brother and saying we need to be happy to see a brother get up and get out to ghetto. We should be happy to see a brother you know, uh changes life

for the better. Just like Pops say, I ain't mad at you. Why should you be mad at the individual that's doing better? Know what I'm saying. If anything, you know what I'm saying. Find out how that he got to that plateau. How what did he do to to to rise up to that level? Instead of sitting back plotting on, you find up breaking his house and steal everything, or you finna burn his car up because he has I'm gonna say he's being and you don't have one

the formula. Find out the formula. They can come in my house and break in the motherfuckering you won't get You might come through the front door, but you won't go back out that way because you're gonna get popped on when you first come. Said they're coming in vertical leaving overzone. Hey, hey, hey, hey, and I got love everything and everybody. But if you if it's if it's that's the way I gotta go, that's the way it gotta go. Some things you don't forget. You know that

this is one of those things too. Man, the world, I wish we you know, the show hour long. We already over that. But I want to have you come back, man, because I don't feel like this story is finished. Can we do that? Well, uh yeah, I'm gonna take care of me. He gotta come back. And and this is what I want everybody to know. Me and Norman. Our purpose is to show that everybody. I listen to everybody, but I'm like this, every we all got a choice.

And when you're standing in that moment and you in the heat of it and you feel like you gotta do something, look at it. Who's around you, and make that choice. If he's gonna go to jail with me, fucking let's do it. If he ain't gonna run out on me, fucking let's do it. Let's get at these cats. But everybody got a choice, and we made a lot of choices. We are lucky to be here, and we made a lot of choices. We made a lot of choices that wouldn't right. But for all of these little

young cats out here, we have a choice. And that's the bottom line. Well, our choices is man, We're gonna grow up and be grown men and raised our grandkids, you know. And and for those brothers that oh he he didn't turn into a woman. He raising kids. Man, I'm proud to be a grandfather, you know what I'm saying. And there's a lot of us brothers. I got a lot of homies that didn't even have one kid. I got some o g s that don't have no kids, never been married. Oh we know his prison and death.

So if we can get away from that, we'll be all right. Well, I want to say this about Ray Boys and Toppy Clark. I believe him brothers had the gift. I've been athletes, professional athletes in boxing and sports track, whatever, but they wanted to hang out with the homeboys, see what I'm saying in the hood. Ray Boys with the college. He went to Southwest, He played back He played football four White Ts in seventy Speedy original Speedy from back Street. Cript told me that Ray Boys was the beast on

White Ts. You training school, uh football field, and I know that Ray Boys ran the ball like uh Earl Campbell, and he hit the He hits you like he was Lawrence Taylor. The brother had professional hard hidding skills and hard running skills. If he would have took that from Southwest, from White TS to Southwest. Matter of fact, they said, from Jordan's seventy one or seventy, and then he went to TS. He played for Jordan's and he was a beast at Jordan's. And then he played for White Ts.

He was a beast at White Ts. Then he went to White went to Southwest College and seventy two and he played for Southwest College and he ended up going right back. He went to he he went right back. But my whole thing is this, my brother, I'm saying, which your wont for our brothers. If you see a brother with talent, you know, and you see that he got the ability to get up out of here, man, you should want that for him and not want to be drinking and smoking and urging him to hang out

on the streets. But to you you know, I hate to say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I hate to say the thing about two pots situations dealing with the situation of I'm just gonna put it this, so I'm gonna use myself. For example, if I was a producer or anything like Dr Dre or Sugar anybody, and I had a rapper that was worth a million dollars or billion, dollars industry. He would be kept very safe, very safe because I love him and I love I

would want the best for him and his family. Because the man is on a positive role, I would keep him away from the negativity. So if I see somebody that have a good boxing hand, a good sport hand, I would try to guide him to stay into that and leave the game members along. This is can be this is this this, this is this can be beneficial for the community. He could open up doors for people like in the projects to to join basketball or football, just like uh and Andre Miller. He he became a

Golden Naked He's from Nickoson Garden. He never gained banging his life. Yes, Andre Miller, he's he's he's my homeboy. He knowed me personally. I didn't even know who he was until I ran up only one day and he said, what's up for all? I'm Andre Miller. I said, oh, you to go to Nugget And he greeted me because he knew me as a little boy. And and that made me feel good that the brother from the Golden Nugget is a multi millionaire and he's not in the project.

I wasn't thinking about robbing him or killing him. I hate none. I was happy for him because I guess what, my brother, that could be me too if I would have took that same role. We made choices in life, just like Ray Boys. He was best in sport and best in boxing. I would say he was the best with his fist in l a from what too Pretty Chinny and mc thomas was talking about. But that's another kend of worms. But my whole thing is this my brother.

I'm saying I love these brothers to the point to where in my heart right today I want the best for them, and I would like to give a role call out on these pictures very briefly, if it's all right, do you think okay? Number one is Ray Boys. He's squatting down in nineteen seventy five. He just got out of y. This is when uh he was uh working for the w S c a C. And by the fact, yes, nineteen seventy he came home. In nineteen seventy five, he's working for uh, yeah he was. By the fact, he's

doing construction work for the Nickison Garden projects. They were rebuilding the inside, remodeling the projects. In seventy seventy six. So uh, the Watch Community Authority, House Authority hired a lot of bounty hunters to do work and they was getting paid in seventy six, they was getting paid like twenty dollars an hour. They was the mess security. That's also, that's right. I remember when they build the freeway over there on Imperial because the white folks can't come up

Imperial without getting them bbs and shipped. And my generation in the seventies Ray Boys, Terry Moses, they would actually snach you out your car. They didn't bust no window when that light catch you on success Or Central all right there on Compton Avenue. We didn't bust no windows. And we didn't rob no black own Messican people. Everybody who came was coming from Lynnwood or coming from the

airport had since identity of who they robbed. Also, they didn't rob black people back then on Imperial in the seventies. No Ray boys them with robbering white man. He went to jail for robbing the white man. You know, I'm saying, I've seen him do it myself, but he went he went to ts behind that in seventy two. We did not rob our own people back then. That that case that happened with the Hawkins, that wouldn't never happened with us in our generation because we don't get into it

with our community. We got into it what our Adver series, which was to call up part of Crypts. We didn't rob our community, neighborhoods linked stories because we had love for them. They've seen us grow up as elementary people, so now that were teenager, we had a little bit respect for him. Except the one on the hundred and

twelfth and Central. That was the one that we really was fighting when we was like in high school and junior high school fighting guys that was in their thirties in late twenties, and you know that came out kind of hecky. One of them end up getting shot, you know in the homies, you know, they broke somebody's leg and they beat up some homies. They pistol with one of the homies and all this is in the seventies,

but nobody never got killed. So that just to show you that even people who you don't even like and you don't get along with, you still have a choice, my brother, of not killing that individual. You still have that choice. Now I want to discuss the one based on with Joe Barker. Joe Barker is the homeboy who reminds me of Sampson. He flexing his muscles right, and he's standing next to Babe Bro. Babe Brother is a gunner. He has no respect for law. He reminds me of

what's that guy named, uh, baby face Nelson? Nelson. He he do not like you know? He Well. My thing with the homies that I have a lot of respectful was based on the police. My homeboys back in the seventies never killed the crib, never killed the crib. There's not on record killing the crill. But they got at least four police cases under their belts during time. So Babe Bro and Joe Barker they both rest in peace.

So I can speak on this, you know, uh, dealing with the situation that hand killer Joe and Babe Bro. Number three, it is dealing with another picture. Our name Nickoson Gordon Findess. You have Terry Modens, Ray Boys, Rory Lynch, Cocole, Rick Rock and then you have Joe Smith. At the bottom you have zero. You have Earl Jones with the Charlie had Charlie had used to Buddy used to be the Bounty Hunters original hat back in n seventy two, before the before we start wearing ace deuces. Then you

have J. T. He rested in peace. Then you have uh Ricky Green, who A C. Wrote in his book he was also a bandar rule uh back in nineteen seventy four with A C and N Y T s. And then he goes to bondar rouges again. And they came home in nineteen seventy six. You got uh Me holding the radio, hard Rock pointing up to the sky, Terry Mooks just wearing the red tennis shoes. Uh, you have Neil Matthew wearing the leather coat and co Co point to this guy. And hard Rock wearing also a

red bandanna. And what I can actually say about these brothers right here, they brought Bondarou home. They truly brought the word bondar route to the house. And I was there with them in nineteen seventy six. So I don't know about what t Rogers talking about. Uh everybody was saying because and anybody was saying blood. We never said because I never even heard no pot roussa. Cause we all started saying blood to each other and wearing red

bandannas together. I'm saying because I know for a fact that nobody held the rip and down the butt pot rule, and LB and little Vins made sure, not a cee, but LB a little Vince made sure that that red band downer that made Parou what it is today became a blood nation. And that's the true fact. I have another one I want to talk about. I have the road Call of my Homeboys nineteen seventy three Body Hunters.

Do you have Junior Thomas left the right, you have Cherry or Taker, and then you have Sugarloo from Paroux throwing up the Parous side. Did you have Michael Duroux wearing a beige knit shirt throwing up the Bondi Hunter sign? Did you have Terry Moses throwing up the sign? You have David Taplet, and you have uh a sip or Taker, and you have uh. I forgot the other guy at the very end, but that's Terry Moses little son standing right next to David Tablet. That's in white ts, not

white ts. That's a nullus. That's anothers in Y nineteen seventy three, the original Bondi Hunters right there. Okay, uh then we have another picture that I want to elaborate on. You're dealing with Junior Thomas standing to your left and Hard Rocks standing to your right. Junior Thomas is the leader of the bonding Hunters with a red flag on. Now, I challenge anybody that is a brown or from any other set to show me a picture of the O G Homeboys back in the seventies with a red flag.

I'm talking about guys that would be like sixty seven and sixty six. Today Hard Rock is flamed up and he rested in peace. He would be today. We're dealing with originals. They're standing right in the middle of the heart of Nickoson Garden. You have Hanking Black standing by the radio, and you have Squeak in the right tennis shoes wearing black and that this is in the seventies of the original Bonar rouge. Uh. Then you have another picture of the Homeboys standing together in the projects. Yeah,

Michael Ford wearing a beige beantie crap cop. You have Terry Modens wearing the leather coat. You have Gary Barker a light blue, light blue shirt. You have somebody in the background throwing up a body Hunter sign. Yeah, Ricky Bryant in the bottom left corner that Silkie blood and these are the original body hunters hanging out together in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine. And I just want to elaborate on one more thing, and that would be with Mr.

T Michael Smith Rest in peace. Uh. I have his obituary right before me right now, and he passed away in November, uh eighte. This guy right here, what I like about him, He was the type of guy that he truly believed in fist fighting. This is the only homeboy that I know from Nikison Garden that took it to the jordan Dale Cribs with his fists by himself.

Him and Eddie Brown from the Jordan Down cribs. They had a fist to cuff fight and they were fighting like cats and dog in the great and in the Jordan Doren, the neighborhood on Grandy behind the tracks, and we had squabbles with them guys because at one time we was green jackets, so we really never had, you know, the killing field with each other. We always did respect

each other and gave each other fair faces. And I would say Michael Smill was the one that actually took it to him and start fighting them instead of us taking potshots at each other, and they tried to jump on him, uh, and I jumped in and UH gave somebody what they call a dope feed punch, and they all turned and looked at me like they would get ready to jump on me. And my boy from from the Jordan Downs, my partner said a McGill. He stopped them and told them they're not gonna do nothing to

me because he knew me from Junia Hall. And I don't think I knew him from Junia Hall, but I wasn't gonna disagree that that. Know what I'm saying, I think you're ready to jump on me. So Michael Smills is the brother who took it like a vanguard to the crips with his fists. He wanted to fight him and not shoot him, and that was his choice, and

I was rushed right there with he. Now my choice would have been the same thing, But at the same time, I'm afraid that you go up to an individual talking about fighting and they want to kill you while you talking about fighting. So I had that mentality, but he never thought like that, So I wonder, uh was he actually slipping or was he doing the right thing. So, like I said, it's his choice again and I want to leave with this last picture. Oh yeah, this is

Michael Smith, trouble Man, that's his name. We called him trouble Man, Mr T. This is his daughter also, he's studying on a bench with his daughter is standing on the bench. And he also had a picture of him with his hands open. He's uh in y t s at the time for a murder. He was there back in like seventy nine and t s. He said, he he's smiling on this picture. And uh not last, but least uh two pretty kitty from uh cornerpucket cript I got him at one picture. You know what I'm saying.

This is my boy man, two pretty kitty from corner pocket, my house man, and he brought my kids some lunching everything, and we chopped it up with each other. Him and his girlfriend. We're taking a picture right in front of my like a navigator. And that's my real partner right there. It's one thing I can say about him, man, that I like about him. Man. You know, he has a sense of humor that makes me love him man, because I don't see no fakens in him when it comes

to humor, you know. Uh, he here makes you laugh, My brother and he and he's real about this laughter, you know. And I have a lot of respects. Yeah, he's from corner He's from corner Pocket. He's original corner pocket. Matter of fact, he's the one that started and his mama garage. You know what I'm saying. But hey, I got love for Crips to I got love from Melle Mel. He's a good brother. He speaks with he speaks with knowledge,

He speaks with he speaks with understanding. I have love for Cutes also, he speaks with knowledge and understand it. But I will say this, though Cutes and Pooky, Raymond Washington did use a gun. You need to buy the book I Am Raymond Washington and it speaks on that because they use guns all in the books. Ain't nothing wrong with using the gun though, I mean, the gun is an easy way to like fucking sweating. No no hard man popua mother going about you. But be done

with it. But don't compare ray boys who never used the gun with a person who used the gun. Well, you can't compare that. Yeah, again, he was a spobbler. He wasn't a gun user, so you don't compare. I'm letting them know. Jimmy Leavindor and Cammac made a statement about that, and I'm just letting them know. Raymond use the guns and ray boys didn't use guns, and it's in the books. Well, I mean to say, I'm rocking and rolling with you, Raymond. If you need to pistol,

and it's an easy way, I can get five for one. Well, I used the gun myself, my brother. I didn't come body on the front for nothing. But my whole point is is, don't never get on the stage saying that Bonny Hunter Frog never we used the gun when you know I was a gunn don't get on stage just say that, uh Hunter Frog had respect for the females of the hood, when you know I was going around

calling everybody to B word. You know what I'm saying, which is the B I, T. C. H. Basically have some real facts, but we're exactly the factor part is what I'm talking about. There's nothing wrong we're using the gun. But my point is, you know I understand this, and I'm gonna leave you with this. My brother none, I gotta Goigart Okay, so it's just just a break. Are we coming over? We're gonna do a part two. We gotta do a part right now, you get through, Okay, Well,

I just want to just say this. I don't want let you go, my brother. What I'm saying, and I want and I want, I want to let you go what I'm saying, um and where is that? Where is that subject at? Where is that I'm going to I'm looking for the subject. I go, hey, see, Bubba Louis. I just want to let you know, Salie Percy know what I'm saying. As Ricky Bryant would say, silkie blood if they ever would have got into it, Charlie Percy

didn't have no edge over Ray Boys. Ray Boys was athlete a matter of fact, men, a bit of dog a k a silkie blood Ricky Bryant. We come to the conclusion that Charlie Percy wouldn't probably even never hit Ray Boys because he was too athletic for Charlie Percy. But but but you know, that's just our opinion. Though we all have our opinions. So everybody is the title to their own opinion on that I was saying about ray Is this my brother. You know what I'm saying, It is what it is. It is what it is.

My brother. He was a type of guy that that did not use no guns and he did not believe in using guns and he never used the gun. I understand that we do comparis. We have a Tennessee of comparing Kobe to Michael Jordan's. We have a Tennessee comparing Mark Rocky Marciano to to Ali. We have a tendency of comparing Uh Biggie Small to Tupae. Know what I'm saying, But in our hearts, our hearts, all them people that child comparing them too. Y'all know who number one is.

Y'all know who number one is. So we don't even have to eleporate on nothing else dealing with this situation too. Pretty Kinney and mac Thomas told the truth what I'm saying. So if you want to know about ray boys, read two Pretty Kinney book. When mac Thomas said that if him and Raymond Washington would have got into it, you know, I'm saying, it would have been ray all the way. And I also want to say this, I challenge anybody hancho head, honcho, uh afro pigmy uh Tyrone Tate Uh.

Anybody who really know ray boys and who really know Raymond Washington? I challenged them, tell what do they think about Raymond and ray Uh? In comparison dealing with slinging them dogs? Who do you think you know hypothetically had the best hands. I'm talking about the old Richard old triple o gs who know both of them? Anybody who don't know both of them, you can't compare them. You have to know both of them, Sally to compare them. That's on the way you can make a compariship is

by knowing both people. And I want to leave it like that, and there it is right there, O g Frog. Part two comings soon. Well. That concludes another episode of Against the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the I Heart Apple. Subscribe to the gainst the Chronicles podcast for Apple users. Find that Purple Michaels front screening your phone. Subscribe to the show, leave for comment and a rating. Executive producers for The Gangster Chronicles of Norm Steel James

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