EP 118: Record Company Pimps w/ Alonzo Williams

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and leave a five star rate in the comment. Welcome to another episode Against the Chronicles podcast. Um with my partners man, what's going on? Fellas shit? Damn man? I see your ass back from uh the motherfucking uhle skirts ship. Hell yeah, I was out there chilling man and the beautiful Hawaiian beaches. It was cool out there. I'll tell us, motherfucker. He calls and go, yeah, man, we got two episodes and ship I send in against you your little anniversary

right now. He go, yeah. But wife, he say, it's cool. Let's get your mother and go get a motherfucking drink with a motherfucking pineapple and umbrella. So the nigga posts on this page the picture with the pineapple and the umbrella. He got a motherfucking packer Reesee Peter buttercups. But what I want to know is why you didn't change your shirt off and walked the beach. Oh I did. I took my shirt off on there. You take no pictures out. But when was a MOI you know I was in.

But check this out. It was so many beach man that ship he's trying to get against man, but it was so many bad body motherfucker's out there. I said, she let gonna take mu ship off. I like muscle man saying this motherfucker prepare these motherfucker's. So I let my ship go, but they're looking like they're melting and ship like Milton Frost under the they don't need to be judged out. There isn't be too hot for my dead man, bad body motherfucker's. But we're back in the

city of Compton. We were supposed to be. You know what I'm saying, We're back in the city of Compton. Man with one of our guys lines though, man, what's happening. Man ain't like a chandel there. Just trying to shine, man, just trying to shine. Sure, we as some controversy early. You know what I'm saying, We always got. It's always a controversy though it wasn't when I find my name of them ship. They don't be controversy and just be

motherfucker's differences in opinions and ship. That's what I said. Controversy controversy when you're trying to get ship sparked up behind bullshit, that's what I conspiracy theories and all that type of basically your mother know what they're talking about. That's basically what they're talking about. What I'm saying, motherfucker don't know they're talking about trying to impose himself on history based on some third and fourth hand knowledge. What happened?

Somebody madge something? You're saying, No, they said that. They said, I screwed eight out of his publishing. I never had eight, but never signed to me. No, no, no, what it was was, I said, I know NIM screwed me out of my publishing, and then they always get me in. They don't confume exactly because because they ran, you know, they was parting exactly exactly. No, I never never was never Alonzo stole my publishing. Everybody know it was unknown.

But but but it's safe to say Alonso was the type motherfucker when they came indate money, you get them when it came to there that they was on my copy compilations, right, Okay, they came to me with slip. Chill tells the story. Chill. When Chill tell the story, they heard about me through easy came over to my house driving a car with no brakes on. The motherfucker. Okay,

got to the pad father, they said. Chill tells the story, like, uh, go to Guardina and the far they was gonna Guardina might as well have been the motherfucking uh Arizona because they didn't know where it was they found what my pad was hooked up with Slip. I put him, he put him on the compilation. They was dope, put him on the compilation. It was them. Uh the white boy, it was the name he was. I don't know why everybody think he looked like he looked likely was light scared.

He was transparent. Um and there's old man. We did a thing called this is Compton. It was one of the dopel songs on the album No we did too Far, too fun right, too folky and then um it was. It was one of the dopest songs on the album Unknown got um took them in, made a demo or something like that. We Um, I'm out, we um Me and Chill started sucking around. Uh, you know junior high

school conscience most wanted gang banging whatever. Um. We actually was fucking with this nigger name kool Aid and Kivin. They were some singing nicklas. They was coming to fucking our guess get down for you or whatever. We just happened to be tagging alongs because we knew that they was going to Alonzo's, you know Alonzo Alonso, Wreck and Crew whatever. We don't know shit about Slip or Unknown. We get there, you had studio on the back. We're

going to back. Um, Known was there, Slip was there. Um, they was supposed to do some ship for you. I don't know what they did, sung or whatever, but I guess Unknown and Slip was like, what y'all do? Me and Chill had a little demo tape, played the song and that's when Slip was saying he was he was doing the compilation we did. The Compton compilation was a song called Rhymes Too Funky had It got a lot of motherfucker's on there. Um, shout out my nigger, slip Um.

From there we started working with Unknown. Um. I don't know how that happened, but we went to techno. How we did this is Compton a song called give It Up and I Give Up Nothing. Three songs on the on the little single whatever, and uh that's how we got That's how we got cracking mm hmm. I and in that was not in that. This is this is techno hop and me because me and Unknown been Dallas. We it's three it's three day one dudes on West Coast me whatever on the West coast period right right,

it's three people. That was day once on the West Coast me Roger Clayton and unknown. I met Roger Clayton with an unknown. I was already doing my thing. I read Roger an unknown together. They were hanging out together, an unknown joy my team. He joined me and even after dark. So we've been doing things together in nineteen seventy, nineteen seventy eight together, so we've been we've been boys for that long. So when he came to me he

wanted to do something with them. I wasn't tripping because we had a gang of acts and had a whole album full of acts. He wanted to tell you, wanted to do something when he got some money for him and give me, give me something, God damn for fine, just for your something. He gave me fift gave my blessings, go ahead, do your thing. So apparently he wouldn't giving in that breed that nobody he cauldn't even get that.

But I don't know what it was. You know what the deal was, Okay, I don't know what to do to do the techno how single. I don't know if we made any money. Honestly, Um, after we did the single, we automatically got picked up by orps okay, and then we started working on the album. UM we signed the

Big Beat, which was Unknowns production company. Okay. And how I got funked out of my publishing It's because Unknown had me signed a contract for recording with Big Beating, but he stapled a publishing contract on the back of the contract after I signed it, so labels didn't give a fuck because I was going through him. I was seventeen, I was still living at home with Moms. I signed a contract and Moms didn't even know, and then they

added it to the contract. He added a publishing contract, which means all the songs and nobody ever wrote any rap for me. I wrote every fucking rap I've ever done, but I never got paid for the ship I wrote because a known had his publishing company when he slapped the contract on that. When he slapped the contract on the back, all the publishing for my songs that I

wrote went to Grandma's hands. What about the writers? Though I just supposed to come to you no matter what, I didn't get anything, the writers still supped to come to you. I didn't get ship. I didn't get ship. Him signed the seventeen He can really tend to go back right now and like I didn't. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't like you. Let me tell you something. I was a young nicka banging from Compton. My dream was to make records, Okay. I wasn't smart enough to know

Ship about publishing and all that Ship and writers. I got the studio with Slip. He produced the beats I did, the wraps are known, work the deals. That's it, okay. The problem with came for me was I wasn't getting the royalties nothing. I wasn't seeing Ship known to give me some bread up front. And then I didn't even know what he was getting until we fell out. I didn't know he was getting ninety hundred thousand from Orpheus Capital. Give Orpheus X amount to fifty is what they was

kicking up. Charles take one sixty off the top like fuck that? Okay? That leave what grand? A? No pocket? That ship he give me about two or three grand. I don't know what he was giving Slip, but that's what I made off the first album. I probably made about three grand. Okay. Then I'm went tripping. Fucking next album comes straight checking them. I do Growing Up in the Hood. The single major movie all of that. Um,

we get the budget to do straight check. I don't know what the budget is still I'm in the dark. He come and say, hey, Bingo, maybe give me about five grand, seven grand. At that point, hey, y'all don't sign contraction. Already had a contract. I was signed the Big Beat production I'm talking about to do the ship you was doing. You didn't have to sign nothing, or you didn't have to do nothing. No, because he was already locked into like a four or five album deal

with Orpheus. So because I was signed the Big Beat, that was it. So you was basically account They was milking and ship out of your word. So so, like I said, even then, whatever he was getting, whatever, the budgets, whatever, he breaked me off, break slip off a little bit. I don't know what he was keeping whatever. Like I said, I'm still at the house on Johnson Street and Spooltown living and with my sister in the apartment. Wasn't tripping. We had the number one song in the country, straight

checking them was out, We're touring the country. Whatever. Everything was good. Okay, music to drive by come. This is when I started doing Minutes to Society. Um, me and a no fell out because he just he didn't think I knew anything. He still treated me like a little young nigga from the hood. The nigga he would just I think the nigga took a thousand dollars out of my money. One day, you know, nigga, meet me at American Savings. He breaks us all, I look at my bread.

He said, I took a thousand dollars out your bread to buy your motherfucking portable dat machine. So what the funk I need that ship for. Well, you're doing shows, you need need to take that was like, dude, let me decide what I want to do with my money. So we fell out right there in the parking lot. He go over the Slips that night, drunk as a motherfucker. He leaves his check book. Slip call me, I don't

leave his check book here. I should make a copy of the motherfucker straight up, I tell Slip, make a copy. Excuse me, Slip makes a copy, Give me a copy of it. We go through the motherfucker. The nigger got a publishing deal for seventy grand. Didn't give me but two thousand bucks. I wrote all of the songs, Damn, I wrote every fucking song I ever put out. You get a publishing deal. You ain't wrote no songs to get a publishing deal for my writing skills. Gave me

two three grand. Didn't see no money. Yeah, but see my thing is, that's why I left. That's when I fucking went and got a lawyer and the ship fell apart because I get it. You get your piece because I'm signed the big Beat whatever, But that publishing and the writers, that's my ship. That's my ship. You get me.

Nobody helped me when I was sitting up in the studio when when when the homie chill went down and I still had a three album deal because we moved an epic Okay, I had to write all them fucking songs. So I'm up late night, you know what I'm saying, missing my daughter's fucking practices, and I didn't see my daughters grow up because I'm on the fucking road trying to be CMW writing these albums. And you you can't

suck me'll know money like that. You can't. I'm still living in Gowndon and a nigga gets seventy eight grand for right for the songs I write, and you don't feel you don't feel that I deserve my something, my money for writing. You know what, it's a certain point like that's just all that's beyond greed. I don't know what the funk it is. Ain't that the way it's supposed to be alone, That's ain't that how they deal with this ship? That's the industry versions. I believe. I'm

one firm believer. Dad, you play your partner. I was a young nigga. A known brought us in. He put us in. I didn't say ship for three fucking albums. Count them three, Okay, while I'm still driving his Suzuki Samurai living in Compton. My nigga got a house in the seeing No, what a funk? He got a dog worth more than the money I'm getting. Come on, I don't got a ten thousand dollar German Shepherd and I ain't making that in publishing money. Okay, that's what I'm

talking about. I don't deserve that ship. So that was my complaint. I'm over this ship now. I'm grown ass, fifty year old motherfucking man. You feel me, and I again, I feel as an artist in that time, even in this time, you got to get fucked. You gotta pay your dues. I believe in that, so I don't complain about ship. But at a certain time you gotta go. Let's be straight up. That's it. Okay, nigga, we haven't done three albums blah blah blah, so that's how we've

been to cut the pie up. Now. You can't just keep going fun that you don't deserve, Nigga, I don't. I'm I'm n eighteen years old. Trying to write these fucking someone was tripping me out more than anything else because I worked in publishing. He took the niggas writers. You know, usually in the in the in the record game, the producer, whoever make the beats and whoever write the lyrics usually spit the writers and the publishing the game go because got to write the music so you can wrap,

you can write the rats. So usually the producer of the music and the writer of the world. It depends on you know, and you also got different kind of different type of uh splits depending on who did what over here, who did what over there. You can see that that's the part of people, that's that's the part of the game that they don't teach your ands they don't want you to know about that part of the game. They almost got me, but they didn't get me because

I had a coach but coming into the game. So when I came into the game, it was a whole it was a whole different situation. I had a coach coming in, so I learned about publishers before they sucked me. Okay, I didn't understand it for a long time because you tell me, I got a whole, a whole riding to share and a whole uh publisher share. They equal, but they separate like this is the easiest way I explained

to people. It's like you got a pot right right, split that pot in the middle right, then you gotta you know, you're really getting like a fourth or something. Technically, you see what I'm saying, You're really getting like a fourth. It's like a piece of pie. You got this, you split this right, you split that. What happens here is, though, you get some people that get greedy, right and they come in and they want to take this right here and just leave somebody with a little you know what

I'm saying. You know, if somebody eat a ball of pie and just not to be an asshole, they're leave a little sliter or some ship. Motherfucking that's how the ship is. Well, you know what, Also, here's the here's here's the nature of the beast. Which is really fucked

up is that they take advantage of the youngsters. Okay, the youngsters coming there hungry, two rounds, a lot of money back then a lot of money and James, when you're on the block where we came from, and then megahnd you two three grand aper man, please some khakis and ship a couple of motherfucking pair cortels, pack of fresh white teas, and I got the Suzuki look and you got to be kidding, and they got dog balling. But the cold part about it is that that's been

the games. His records was round. That's been the game. Just records was round. But you know what, you would think the lines of that. Brothers saw the bullshit that they went through, and they turned around and sign motherfucker's and do the same. Damn. Here's the funked up part. James, I was doing seminars on fucking Facebook during the COVID ship. Motherfucker's don't tune in. They don't give a funk about that ship. They don't give a funk about us till

it's too late. You can't tell them. Famous at a team that he needed to slow down and get his get his business right. Perfect example, blue Face. Blue Face went of the breakfast club Chotte made. The guy asked him. He says, hey, man, you got your in the straight. Oh man, I don't worry about that. My people take care of all that. Okay. So you got a situation where a cat don't care. He don't know, he don't care. What was he getting some pussy, some money and some drugs? Low?

Was he high for? You know, long enough to low? He said, Hi, long enough to do what he're gonna do. I was simply come down us youngsters coming from that environment. I mean, like I said, my dream was the motherfucking put on the fat dukie rope and riding the limousine. Like Bey told you. I had a couple of pictures and write on and word up rolled in the limousine and had a chain on and the motherfucking gold watching the Nugget ship. I didn't give the fuck. I thought

that was it. You couldn't have asked me. Snow Ship Writers publishing The fund is that nik. I gotta check the other day. I didn't know about that ship, so none that you're older and know what they did. And these motherfuckers was making thousands of dollars and giving you nothing. I would be piste off and I would be like, man, don't you you shouldn't. Shouldn't you make that right? I mean, y'all fuck me. You know something that makes you go and if you get a Reford, do you do that

to the same version. I mean, that's why I've never had an artist under myself. I don't want to be, uh, you know, accused of that. I mean, you know, I don't know if you take the route of nigga's got to pay their dues and you're gonna take their publishing or whatever. I mean, but that's what just happens. But the thing, this is more than enough money do the right thing. It's more than enough money to do the naive as a kid Now today, I don't I mean,

I don't regret ship. Still get off of that ship today, I don't know. I would think, yeah, but no, but he still owns the publis That publishing could possibly revert back to you though, because you signed that contract in seventeen. It's a whole bunch of people. That's our teena. Marie got out of the contract with more time. But like you said, it's just a hey like hey like, it's no motherfucking billion sit there and ship like you know

what I'm saying years ago, Man, come on, no no more. Yeah, I'm not like I've seen her, know on the freeway. You know, uh we bypassed each other, you know. Uh, rest in peace to Cindy. You know what I'm saying. Um, I've seen him on the freeway. Like I said, I don't. I wasn't the type of motherfucker who felt like I needed to get with him. Now. I wasn't taking out the lunch. But I don't have no motherfucking ill wills, Like I'm ready to get in the motherfucker face and

have it out. Like I said, I'm too mature for that ship right now. It's a lesson that I learned. You get me. I know about writers and publishing, the deals I do today, motherfucker's gonna do no deals. I publishing, the writers everything. It's good. So it was a lesson learned.

But I have to tell motherfucker's about my situation because a lot of people be not understanding artists went through certain things, and they be expecting, motherfucker's, man, how come you ain't living on top of the hills and you ain't got the fuckingness and that, and then I have to explain to motherfucker's how ship go just because you

see ship. And then a lot of ships made believe well when they see you in uh in movies and oh yo yo yo albums and ship, they figured there's a lot of money attached exactly, you know what I'm saying. So that's where they get it from. They believe, oh they my fucking rich, you know, in contracts and contracts as crazy as funk. Because Jerry Hill always says he never got food. Once you signed a contract, that's what you agreed to, Okay. So if you're getting a piece

of Ruthless, because it's it's how his deal restriction. He managed Ruthless records, Easy E, n w A, and each member of n Way separately. So if Phoebs gave Ruthless money he got when RUFUS paid easy Eat, he got when Rufus paid Yeller dre q R. That was a deal. But that's the legal of fuck. But that's that was a deal. So you can't take that deal because you're signed that deal. Off your right mind. Okay, if you have eighteen years old, you're signed that deal. That's the deal.

You can't go to courting soon because you signed a bad deal. That's just how business is in America. If you don't know, I ain't got to tell you. And that's the fun up party about the game. If you don't know, I ain't got I mean, I mean, I kill each motherfucker's. That's like a fucking attorney. I was working with the same ship from me, and then if I paid Chill or Bam or when niggas went on the road with me and they got paid, he got twenty percent of what because he was the managed. Yes,

oh my god, that the killer. And I'm like this, I can and I will not accept being used like that. I think I'm glad I'm not a rapper because if a motherfucker would have took advantage of me, I'd rather ship in prison. Well, you don't let you. They don't let motherfucker's like that in industry. Is the first time you go up and you got one time to tear one of them officers, you get one good time. You do that, you have. You had a few of us who went through that transition at a time when they

was attacking the officers and ship. But that's when you started getting security and police and the sucking party records, parity records. You should be walking walking party like like I walked in the here. Okay, after that motherfucking episode the Q pulled up there, that motherfucker became a goddamn bankball. You couldn't you couldn't find the don't not bad, Okay, you couldn't get you couldn't get me a lobby unless you had an appointment. I'm talking about walking off the

street to walk in the doors. So yeah, but if you done that ship before I read it in my coola, I did that ship? Cola already come colding me out of somebody are the golf club? I didn't use baseball back. It's a transition, man, I keep telling me that's the most effective thing, the most gangster thing I've seen. Man. I ain't gonna say the homies name, but one of the Mexican homies, Man, we was up the Thump records

one day, Bill Walker's ass, Bill Walker. We was up there. Man, Um, I was up and there getting my check right because I was right shift motherfucker's and ship. You know what I mean, I'm up and there getting my check. One of the homies come here and say hey man. You know. The homies thought, hey man, you know you're the homie man. I want you know, you should go home and your business go home. You know what I mean? I said, mighty, anyway,

I go out there. Dog. They got that nigga Bill Walker's card and it's about twin and motherfucker's They got his ship like boxting and where he couldn't get out with some mother niggas. You know, I'm giving niggas pomme. Let let me get the funk about it. They said. They pulled that nigga's pants down, spanked them and ship man really pound his motherfucker pals. They said, that motherfucker dog. You know, man, you know, if you're going the thing,

you know though, you gotta be fair. See, I'll believing of somebody paying dudes. You know what I mean. You know you pay dudes first. Have you ever been on that side of the offense? Hell yeah, working and publishing and niggers being on like, have anybody had a problem with you working a deal as far as publishing this? Oh no, not at all. Actually I had one of my clients, you know, the first artists I signed, like, this is the first dude I signed. First got here,

you know, keep in mind this. After they didn't let me sign can T T D. I had an opportunity to sign TD early like all of them because Top, you know, he was the start and I'll company said hey man, why don't you see if you could do a publishing deal from you know, so I could break the little honies off. You know, Top taking care. He had five six kids over there, you know, recording it's grown in now. They got bills, they they had babies and stuff. He like, do something. If I get done,

I play the music for him. They don't like Jay Rock. I played Kendrick. They tell me this is horrible. You know you're just waiting. Like as soon as they hear this, they go crazy. They look at me and say, no him, that that is rubbish. You know some British people I'm working for, right is rubbish? You know, five months six months later blow up and tell me can you go out? Man? Hell? Call him for what you just did a publishing deal for like one point five you know what I'm saying.

But I'm gonna tell you this right here. You can try to educate people all day, but that almighty dollars a motherfucker, It's like a magnet. I'm gonna tell you a story. This kid I signed, right, he had leverage. I signed him, and I believe him paying dudes. He didn't get a big, huge deal. I think we gave him like one fifty, which is not a whole lot of money for you know, publishing deals, like kind of beginner, you know, baby basically you know, you know, yeah, he

didn't have no placements and nothing like that. But he was hot and I you know, I was a real a and R. You know, I got my first job. So I'm listening to every beat to come in. I'm going on people's pages and stuff my Space pages. I'm gonna be a real I'm like, okay, I'm finding some talent. Right. We don't build the studio up in Hollywood on Sunset Boulevard. We up there chilling. So I hear this kid right?

Actually I found him through my little homie. There was a writer for m DO from Compton Compton at all the rappers, my boys Spit five. He was signed in the scope as a rapper, but he had started writing a lot of records for people, like he did um put some DS on it, that um Rick Spoil record. You know he did all that ship right. So we're shopping up. I'm looking at the funer's. I find this kid I signed them bringing him out. You get one of fifty. That's cool. Entry level deal, you know co

pub deal. Right, they have in there that they want to do it in perpetuity. I tell my gaming this here, I say, man, tell him everything straight to him to take this part out. So when he goes to the house, you know they're talking to him. You're like, I like everything, everything cool. My attorney told me I should take this out. They said, oh well, what's the problem. We can give you some more money. That little nigga said, okay, just this everything I told him. Okay, they just changed you know,

put a turn or two into a five. You know, three to four thousand dollars more. Wasn't that much money, right. I ain't gonna say this public and company his names. They some latigious motherfucker's. You know what I'm saying, you know they have suit the ship out of motherfucker. But so whatever, you're young nigga like shop it up. He I in California chilling. So he got this beat. There's like you know, you hear him one beat and you know that's the one. He played this one track and

I said, got it. I knew that ross and then was working on gun plays in them album. They just got their deal with Gives Jam. So I'll send the song over to my man Jeeterter like this ship is hot. I like it, you know what I'm saying. One week go by, two weeks ago by, three weeks go byun here nothing. He goes home to Texas for holidays. He records the record with his homeboy that's at home. It's a rabber. He back home from school. They record the record.

They start playing the record, the record getting like start off in the clubs down there. Then they started playing on a little radio station down in Texas. Right this is going for about three or four months. There's some little local ghetto fame going on with it. You know, the kid is doing shows and stuff. Right now, I'm gonna tell you some crazy ship when you gotta hit record it ain't never over with. It's like, so you think about this dude, come back after Christmas holidays, we're

checking it. He get a placement on c Murders album. We start getting placements, right, He got a couple of placements up in Atlantic, but it's pending the releasing people's albums and stuff like that. So that record that was playing in Dallas six months earlier, that DJ moved from Dallas and moved to San Francisco and got a job up at km L. His cousin was up there, hooked him up. So he goes up there. He goes in the mix. First time he played the ice Cream Paints record.

You know that? Come on? He playing it. Program director up to say, man, you can't just be up there playing what is that? You know? One w want? Wont one want? Phone lines blow up? Become an eight hundred nine hundred being a week record up there in San Francisco. So that record that was made with this kid in Texas now is a big gass record. Little Wayne who on fire at that time, who killing everything? He put his on unauthorized remix out there. It goes even more crazy.

I'm like, we're going platinum, Like I'm a young executive. I'm like, I got my first platinum, first Nick got signed platinum. I'm feeling myself. I'm like, so I tell us, look, nig I'll said this to play. I say, nigga, you got placements now, Nigga, No, you don't want all these awards and ship snapping, you know, pictures up as cat pictures and ship like this. You know what I mean? I say, man, because I know these people. I'm starting

to see like they cool people, but they're scandless. They don't give a funk like black hearted motherfucker's you know what I mean, to just do ship. He'd be like, damn, that's fucked up like they did fucked up ship up there. Not not that I'm gonna finish this story and I go back. But so I tell him, I got other motherfucker's out at me, right, So I say, listen, I got you a deal for half a million on admen. You ain't not no co pub ship with it. Noll

add me. They're gonna take like two years. We're gonna do this. I'm getting the job in urban over there there. You know, they tell me you bring this over here and we do this. Man, we got the whole plan. I'm going up there that next Thursday. Got the whole plan, you know everything plan. I'm slapping like, oh, we get it in. You know what I mean. I'm calling him, we're talking. Then you go dark on me, like Tuesday supposed to be out here. I'm steady to keep calling dog.

I'm on the way the airport to pick you up. On where the airport to pick you up ain't picking up you know it's still ain't hit me yet like this, you don't go still me. So, come to find out by looking on the Niggers MySpace page, he out here.

They got belly dancers, everything else. They gave this motherfucker two trash bags of money, and he signed the motherfucker thing and then doing that, reverted his old contract, the one he signed the rick only to where they get some of that ship back that they didn't get, and he did the motherfucking perpetuity ship. They stuck back there on his ass, got his ass, and you know what happened. Nine months later, they dropped his ass like a motherfucker.

Nine months later, they dropped his ass. He got money, man, I ain't got no comment on dude. He's doing cool. You know what I mean? James said, I couldn't eave no motherfucking rapper he're doing cool. But no, I just made that an example, man, because you can't blame mate. He was young. He was young at the time. He no no better, but this motherfucker right here. He was young, but he was a chron ass. Man. It's a big different mother seventeen the years old. I've had people come

to man grown as man. Man, I give you all the publishing, I give you all my rights. Man, just put me on. That'sh is cool today that you I didn't get a hit, all right, then you're gonna have a bunch of lawyers on my ass. I don't need the mocking headaches. Plus my biggest my biggest thing is I worked from my house. Man. I think I know where I live at if my fucking he if I was, I know shoes, you know where to find me at you' you ain't gonna find no, No, I don't know where

that you're you're bringing a point? What year was? This had to be like eighty seven? Hunt, Yeah, eight nine, California was crucial, is motherfucker. That's when I first came out here. Eighty eight. Oh, my god, egnor to this motherfucker. Yeah, motherfucker's was off the chain out here. Yeah, that didn't never InCom didn't know beat downs happened between niggas. Once they got to understanding that this nick has been robbing me for for the last three or four years. It

wasn't asked what was other mistaken identity? If you want to watch this documentary Homeboy from his name is Damn. His name is he's a lawyer for for Dick Griffy. He always said that should be that one of the wrecking crew members, but the record crew it was unknown. Yeah, my dog, was you there? Uh? You weren't there when a known guy was there? No fight nor infication, no nothing,

one name with death bro. I do not undone Vioen talking the last, But now you do me working for what should be mine, right, you know what I'm saying, and growing as men, taking advantage of people, you know what I'm saying, but self and then leaving you out to dry like that, leave you on the curb like that. But did Now they're living in big ass houses and ship they're living good, but you're starving at me like that. I don't think a motherfucker should be in and me personally.

If you do me like that, I'm I'm I'm gonna have a bad understanding. I would have I would I would have been mad at the motherfucker that this motherfucker got seven Ni grand and gave me too. That's disrespectful, wrong, that that's wrong. Ship dog, My nigga got defeat that dog. This ship dog. That's gonna do you guys, an expensive ass motherfucking dog. And you living down the street for Michael Jackson, didn't you got to have that bread man ship. Let me tell you something. You say, don't get it?

I said, I was. I was a naive young kid coming from Compton. I was seventeen eighteen years but I was just looking for a way out. Man. You feel me like green and I discover rap. I listened to all the ship you know. I listened to the wrecking crew. I listened to Doctor Drake surgery. I listened to all that ship man. So it was my dream to get

out of the neighborhood from selling cry. You know what I'm saying on the corner, uh having moms have to come get me out of the holding tank every two to three days because niggas was just in the hood getting picked up and just just so that was my looking at it, like, okay, yeah, this shifting happened. Yeah, and then also paid you feel good because all the homies looking at you, my little nigga doing something, all the chicks want to be around. Yeah, because you're rapping.

Then your movies man aint looking back. You can tell that visual hit him. He said, yeah, I feel good. Point than it had it had it had that benefits. You pay your dudes, man, Like I said, I don't trade it for nothing. Maccola Colda filed bankruptcy. Wanna be four hundred thousand they can talking about the sting. He so you don't have to pay you to turn off the Light's album, turn off the Lives in the Fast Lame album. Uh, that motherfucker had So he was independent.

I'm independent, Okay, I'm getting most of the money. I'm a title to most of the money. Okay. I got twenty five grand to do the album, went on tour. It got a little bit more money after that, not a whole lot, but the album is sold like a hundred thousand copies. He got some bad he got to be ad with some with some people some some other kind of gangsters. So soprano motherfucker's. He got to be able, so prano motherfucker's and they did him just like they

did in the motherucking movie. Okay, when they burned that hole, not not sopranels, but good fellows. When good fellows they burned up. They got on own boy, got the restaurant business, all the ship saying fucking ship, fuck you pay me, fuck you pay me. And when they got through that got a five bankrupt He tell all this ship and they couldn't pay nobody, including my black ass. He pile

bankruptcy on me four hundred thousand plus. Damn Yeah. You know what can you say, because you've been in the record business longer than me, can you say that, regardless of color, the record business has always been fucked up. Record businesses run by the run by suiting tied gangsters for real. Understand this. When you get a record deal, man, you walk into the deal, you own a hundred percent of everything. When you walk out, nigga, you only on

the old difference if anything. You walk into a record right now, any artist that walks into a record deal, you walk into the office. When you go before you sign that contract, you own a hundred percent. You're publishing your master's everything. When you walk out. If you got fifteen percent, you're a bad motherfucker. You know that that went around all of that that didn't have to funk

with that in the circle Huh and got rich. Uh. Both of the ones that did was like Jane Brown and were talking about James Brown did James Brown Uh, Curtis Mayfield, Curtis Mayfield another brother when they killed in the motel. Uh, Sam Cook, Sam Cook. Sam Cook was trying to educate flats. That's why that's why they killed Sam Cook. Sam Cook with like, hey man, this is what's that and fucked us over. Come over here with me and do this right here. Jane Brown took advantage

of that ship. Most cats like sucking. I'm gonna keep on the white folks get the hand on my money. Jane Brown, Sam Cook, Curtis Mayfield, the Oasy brothers. The boy has been bad for just the fifties. They're beside the mod No, we're doing the snowmall. We're gonna we got an old label teen neck, and ain't nobody on teen neck but the Oasley brothers yea, and nobody on teen neck of any brothers. So they understand they got the game real quick. So but the game is so cold.

Even if you get the game, you gotta you gotta have your label. You're gonna have distribution. And see that's why uh, we formed our first distribution company back in eighty nine, the company compilations on my what my distribution company, West Coast Records stript is. We was making all the money for what we was dealing with. That we had JJ fadd Egyptian Lover, Rodneo and Joe Cooley Compter compilation. But we was our on birtht enemies. You got full

young niggers. That's crazy, egotistical. I got a hot record, eagypt got a hot record, Rudy got a hot record. That's what made it work. That made it work, egoes, one week each just record is selling, another week a Rudy's record is selling. Instead of us working at a collective, everybody was working at four individuals in the same damn room on the same damn business. So when money came in, we was pulled put um take off the top to run to run the business. And if say, if uh

normal money came in first. You know what I said that I ain't get fifteen percent of my money right here, it's gonna be I don't know, fifteen thousand. I ain't giving you, nigga fifteen thousand, and you cut it shorts, and now we gotta right checks to pay more fucking rent phone bills and employees instead you instead of you do what you're supposed to do. So it just got to the point she got raggedy. And then one person was actually going to the Present plant and pressing more

records than they were supposed to on the account. We had a collective account of a hundred thousand dollars, so when it came time to get paid from certain people, we had to pay the pressing first. So the present money came up the top, and the last album came out was the Compter compilation, so we got caught up. The Compter Compilation got caught up in the mix between the fucking the Present Plant and our distributor, and we

didn't get no money we sold. We we shipped. I think we should like ten thousand records the first month, and I've never seen that record. Then to cut out being no place I got get my money. Well, we don't. All your money was consumed over here because he was taking advances for videos and some other ship from another label. What the funk you be? So I go to the label to get my money. Well, we're spending over the video for this, right what you get advances on ship

that ain't yours, you can advances. You're taking advances on invoices ain't page yet. So when it comes time to pay the pay the invoices. I'm telling you, man, it's just some scammers. This is so we're sitting here. I'm sitting here. I got I gotta, i gotta tell these nigga man, the money fun up at me like I got motherfucker's man. Then I'm talking about And that's what I'm saying, niggas a look at you like man. Industry. What I'm saying every wearehouse records, whatever kind of compilations

was gone. I'm gonna tell you. James just said, industry need to sugar like rest in peace, Andre real. These are words of my own. They're reflecting the opinion of my brother's over here. Nobody in this room. James says some real ship. Just now. He said the industry needs shi that's true, because motherfucker's like, this ship is so ful you gotta laugh at it because it ain't no way in my mind I conceived if if I got an artist, and that's the that's the dude, that's the future,

that's your artist. Yeah, you want to take care of this motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. So you get a even that worst thing you're paying dudes, you know I'm spending my money. Puts you on this ship. A hundred thousand, come in, get a man at least forty five of it? What's wrong? You know what I'm saying. Give them at least forty five problem? What that is? That's good if you're the one morefucking right when record crew it's four of us. Yeah, that's a different thing.

I had a forty five. I had a fort deal with them. Okay, they gott of everything came through from the deal. But here out of my fifty five percent, I gotta pay for the studio time. I gotta give me some money. I got paid for the lawyer follow me. So even after that, I probably got about on a hundred thousand. I might have got that if I got fifty, I might have got twenty five was going automatically. They

got fifteen. Okay, but if you spend that fifteen in three weeks and I bought a house and the BMW, it looked like I got a lot more money than you did. But plus I started off my money in the first place you followed me. I had money going into again that nightclub. If I was two, you even broken a minute. Now you sound like you're covering up the money that you made that you didn't want to show them that you had already being a growing ass man.

You got credit cards because again you gotta understand, come older than everybody. They came to me, but they came to me, I had a nightclub already. You gotta get your money off. Really I was. I had money already before we before we even did our first record, So I wasn't I wasn't a broken youngster. So I invested in this music thing because I had the money to do it. Okay. So now when we get some more money,

we got new bills. I got old money and I got new money, so I take some of my old money and my new money and by big old house M and I already bought going by BMW. So now it looked like I got a whole lot more. He made a game. He made a game. You didn't you know, you know, my big a coup before we before I signed this deal. Yeah that happened. But you know what, some of these motherfucker's just right, and I'm gonna go back. I got cut off. I'm gonna finish this story. You know.

James said that, um, you know, Should was needed. You know what, man, these motherfucker's was doing ship that was so disrespectful, like, um, I don't know, you know, motherfucker's recalled when Should went up there and got Andre Rials this right, folding him up. You know, you don't know about that. I heard something about that outation he wanted to you know, he fucking Mary Jane, you know, sucking them out there breath and ship. You know what I mean,

It's like, um, you know, ship like that. And I don't condone a lot of people. I don't condone just putting hands out of contract. He helped a lot of people out of contract, a lot of others get out of jail. I mean, he did a lot of funked up ship all right, man. I can be the first to say that he did a lot of funked up ship, but he also helped a lot of motherfucker's in the business.

But when it comes down to this ship we're talking about now, he was just like that, And I guess this is just the way, but one teaches the other this is how you gotta be, or you'll be a broad ass executive and you'll be a broad ass CEO. My uh. When I was the CBS, I think the producer was locking out on. He made sure we gotta publish it. That was part of his the I'm make sure you get your publishing what publishing, make sure you

get in Okay. He was like that. You so at that time, at that time, you did have some black men in the game that will look out for you, Okay. Locking On it was also the the the producer for Tasting Honey Boo Yoga Yogi Okay, one of the girls out of Compton Night School, and she tells her story that he made damn sure that they got their publishing money for that song. That was a big hit. And at her age, she older than me, she's doing great because she got a big asclet. So some people did

look out for you. That's what I'm saying. When I first got into the game, I got some I got some coaching in the beginning, but it was you know, you had You couldn't get everything from everybody at one time, so some people had a little head start um education wise, but everybody had the same advantage. Yeah, it gets funked up like that. Man. I'm just surprised it wasn't more beat downs. Man. Well, you know what it was the beat downs king from lawyers. You're dealing with it, you

ain't dealing with folks look like us. They were like the shout of shoot the shoot out your ass as opposed to whooping your ass. That's what they got. What then I'm going to do? They got some mother dogs to fell hour the real quick. I get the mentality, I mean, because that's what motherfucker's usually would do. But at that time, I was already somewhere in position you get me. I was on the third album. I just

came off of doing Minutes to Society, the movie. So what I looked like going to pull up on on known with a strap whatever, whatever. You know. I wouldn't got a lawyer, and my thing was I need to get out this motherfucking deal. That was my thing you got me. I'm going up. I need get out this

ship back. You strategize, you waits and then you get something to put a silence on that because you got the money to buy and then you shouldn't have got damn bushy where cut a hold in the trunk in your car laying that motherfucker eat that burrito coming after puppets ass motherfucking trunk from the button from the back sheet, get over, take off. Yeah, James was told, y'all a little something so funck around nig fucking you outing publishing.

You just got some details. I'm like, what's that, big dude, y'all need somebody to hide, to slap around and ship put the hand for a small feet for a small fee. So, like I said, I just went got a lawyer and just said, this was my opportunity to take control of MC eight. That's how I looked at it. That's a smart motherfucking sucked up. I know I got it a position because I didn't done three albums. Uh, I hadn't done a movie, a couple of soundtracks. I had a

little credibility. So I got a lawyer and I walked into ant Sony and said and they're doing a mother fucking more records un the Big Beat straight up, and I said, either y'all gonna split this deal up and let me control the deal from now on, or I'm not rapping no more. That's what I told Sony. And at the time, I just came off from music to drive by, just came off a minutes to Society, So the motherfucker's mouse was watering, So they like, what do we want to keep an unhappy artist or do we

want to break this deal? What did they say? And then the motherfucker's broke the deal and still wouldn't give me what they was giving him. They was given unknown about too something from my records. At that time when I took over the deal, the motherfucker's cut the motherfucker about hunting grand They didn't want to give me that too something, so that I think they gave me a bucks eighty to do the next record. Yeah, you think they probably still try to slip unow on something to

back though. No, No, I mean, because you know what makes sense. The deal was to Big Beat and we had done we had done what ship. I did two albums over there under Big Beat, under Epic okay, and I think I only have one record left. And then I guess they was just like, we want to keep dealing with eight You know what I'm saying. I No, one wasn't really doing Ship at the time. Slip was doing mostly the production. I think Unknown probably was doing maybe two beats out of my whole projects. So you

have you had one album. You had one album left when you resigned with them, Right when I resigned with under my own Ship. Yeah, I think I had one more record laughing. That's probably they didn't want to give you a whole bunch of probably man already in Go Bounce. Yeah, but I've resigned and I ended up doing what I ended up doing three more records for epics for Sony. So in the end, you know everything that I wanted to accomplish. You get me. I moved out of Counting,

I moved to Corona. I've been there every since. You get me. Uh, my kids got a chance to experience different ship. They gott have been around the motherfucking world like two or three times. That's probably had mission, I said. So, I like I tell people, it was a fucked up situation for me to go through as a young kid, but a lot of us have to go through some We had a job ship since I started rapping. Okay, yeah,

you know, I'm about justifying that. But when you you asked somebody, even though I look at my ship as a job, A lot of people say that a job, but I look at it as a job because I have to stay out late hours, you know, in the studio creating. I miss a lot of family time because I gotta go on the road. Even though and I'm not one of those niggas, and anybody will tell you I've never been the I've never been the fame nigger like, um, niggas don't see me out. I didn't. I didn't never

do that. Once I moved to Corona and got the house and all that ship, I would stay at home unless I had to go out and do something. As far as records ship is concerned, I didn't want to be out nor at the clubs and whatever whatever. I was a nigger that came from our era who saw a lot, so I just felt it was better for me to just stay indoors and not make able to a lot of motherfuckers. Um, but it's been up some downs. It ain't always been great. It's been struggles, you know

what I'm saying. And then you get to a point in your motherfucking life when you're dealing with this ship pop ship or this music ship where ship goes like this and then it just goes like this. You get me. And once you get to that point where, like you know, you hit your cruise in altitude and it ain't no turbulence and ship like that, I'm great with that. You don't give a fun. I don't give a fuck if I'm still if I'm selling a million records still and whatever,

I still get paid. You know, I collect my publishing on ship. That's important to me. Uh, And I do ship. I like to do. You give me. You got to wake up in the morning and punched no clock. Not that that's bad, because we need normal motherfucker's. I tell niggas every time. Everybody can't be no motherfucking rapping. Everybody can't be no label on the producer. We gotta have niggas who cut the grass, pick up the trash, and motherfucking water the grass. You get me, So it's gotta

be some normal motherfucker's. Unfortunately for me, I got the gift to write music about what was going on in the city of Counting. That's what I said. Not unfortunate, was fortunate that I was able to be involved in gangs and affiliated and saw the stresses of mama struggling and a daddy you know, who was getting high and been a single parent, and then the niggas on the corner.

And so I was able to take that and put it into music to where motherfucker's you know, to this day, you go, hey, m C eight, So I got your respect, you know, I wanted to ask you something. Yeah, you know what. We talked about the violence of California eight, but we just had like, you know, in this social media area, it's almost more dangerous. You know, you had the um rapper Indian red Boy, you know who was out there broadcast not guess that was the thing. He

was out there this and Nipsey mm hmm. Because you had another homeboys son, actually my homeboy son. It happened to another kid, you know, maybe six months ago. There was just going online dissent people Lakewood. Yeah, in the Lakewood you know he got killed this other kids you know recently you on Instagram they come from shoot him James actually told me on the video. I think everybody's

don't see the video for one of these guys. Gotta understand, man, these guys don't have no respect whatsoever for the catch just walking next to him. They don't have no respect for the dead period. And back in the days, we have respect for the dads, but don't get a choice ship. Back in the days, nigger's funerals was getting shot out, you know what I'm saying. But today you know, you you I think you put a cap on certain ship and then it's like a no, no, you know what

I'm saying. Here, this guy was loved by a lot of motherfucker's and then here you stand here and you just like, yeah, I'm know the funking that did it? You just like pulling salt on all of this, all the pain, you know what I'm saying. You know, and you don't gotta do that. You what what the fun is you gonna get out of doing that? The Nipsey ship. But you can't tell them nothing, no man, No, That's

what I'm saying. They don't have no respect. And then they out here social media is fucking these dudes up, sucking them up because they got somewhere to go, and other people across town concealed. It was a goddamn sameing to see how it happened, but keeping it one hunted, that's how it happens. If somebody want to get you, they're gonna get you. Is unfortunate that they can get you by this damn phone right here. The rumor had the home pup and said about a girl too. They're

gonna put a gag of rumors out. Every motherfucking body death got a rumor to it as a rumor to who was in the car was a rumor who said where I was at? So it's gonna be rumors. The whole thing is the brother gone. But the little dude, he didn't have no new respect for nothing for light period. And none of these little cats running around here don't even understand the game banging thing. Really, they just out here bug wild and they just doing them and they

getting took out. We got the fast lane to to these these young niggas want reputation. The fast lane to it is on a different route then you know from back in our days. They looked at it ain't like they did something, they accomplished something. Then they put it

on social media that they did it. But then if the cameras allowed me to take my phone in the court when this motherfucker going to court, you see him crying standing in when they get that thirty five and forty five light at nineteen twenty years old is over right done. The they ain't nothing they can do, but they cry because they they ain't gonna be able to do this ship no more. They did on publicity and sitting on the bucks talking about you wish you wouldn't

have woke up that day. You should have stayed in the house and all that other ship. Now it's too late. Now it's too late. But you can't go outside because you've got so many motherfucker's that know your damn face, know who you are. It's gonna get you if they see you. Did y'all hear about what they did to the KEYD in Chicago. Um, the Katie is dre Do station. You know the Homi Ricky called me about that. They shot that boys sixty four times, sixty four times. It

must have been five six shooting it was. It was about two dudes and thirty thirty round clips. Yeah, that's up closing person and that don't make no sick but on the police station that crawled right across the street. How mad are you at this motherfucker? Like I said, I mean, I think a lot of these motherfucker's is just they want like they're fast tracking the reputation, like yeah, nigga,

let's put it because who did that ship? Like you know what I'm saying, We're gonna go killing nigga and then we're gonna put on the T shirt that they're wearing T shirts and the niggas they killed. Some mothers just don't understand. Yeah, that's what they're doing. Now. I heard that's going on right now in the city. That's that Bernardino gig. Yeah, they put you on the T shirt. I heard that's going down in the city right now.

Niggas is getting Niggas are getting killed, and niggas who are killing them or wearing T shirts with the niggas they killed on them. Mane. Yeah, that's the Chicago ship and now it's transitioning over here to the to the to the West coast because they're making the ship popular. Here's another problem you got though, You got Biden into the folks in Chicago. Biden is the same motherfucker back in nineteen four. That was past that crime bill. Everybody

was talking about the crime Bill nine. Now I'm not justifying what they did, but you know, the streets was hot the mother okay. So like that, like the comedians say, Mesicans got on boots. Okay, you heard heard the commedian talk about he did in jail and Messicans got on boots. But got damn it. These motherfucker's getting tired of people dying forty at the time. So you got people, you got, you got. The government couldn't make some moves to put

to stop this ship, and they started doing it. They're coming and coming heavy handed then, and that coming with flowers and ship. They're coming with the more the more heavy handed ship, just like they did in nineteen ninety four. You can't keep doing it. Chicago, just the city. Chicago is a small city in Illinois. Illinois is mostly motherfucking wilderness. Ship for the most part, Chicago just as the city

in there. And you can't have this kind of ship going on for a long period of time and nobody's gonna do nothing about it, and it ain't gonna work like that. You gotta look at it Man, all these brothers are killing each other. I don't know what the fun they're putting in this water. I don't know how good just pushing is that making motherfucker's feel the way they do. But motherucker's need to shut the down and been checking what they're doing. The ship is fucked up.

We can't affward this. We can't afford this. We can't afford it. Some real ship, I mean to you, ain't no white boys. You mentioned him, Man, I'm trying to you the white boys man, the school shots at the homeboy cam compone chilling with us. Yeah. But man, mom, so we appreciate you coming out. Man, no problem. Like I said, Man, it's always man of pleasure. Man. You know he's now he's gonna do get around everybody in the game. Man. So we happened you on here, man,

telling people what they can check you at that. Check me out of my YouTube channel in w A Stories with Minzo uh Instagram Real Lines of n w A. I'm starting to recal channel in about two or three days home on Media Network on rocal, So check me out. I'm trying to make some ship happen. Folks. You're still at the club right now. I'm at I'm over at. I left eve after dark. I'm in Bellflower now to our French quarters. I rocked that on Saturday nights for

old school. So if you want to go, you want to get your old school groove on, you want to twork, you gotta go someplace else. Did We chatted out over here, so you're over there with you over there with the honey that's getting grown food. We were supposed to do We were supposed to do a live event there two years. When we first, like for a live event, some dude called in some hater ass and think he go shoot the club. I ain't. I ain't playing Norman. Shouldn't let

him come. But you know what happened, ship like that happened. The club shut the ship down automatically, you know what I mean. Because with even though it's big chance, ain't nobody can come up there and do ship. Somebody come up there and do something. It's a lot of building. They're gonna say you was warring, was warring. You know what, I'm still see your insurance company don't give a funk

about none of that ship. That's the part that people understand when you in business in the hood you got a secret partner called the insurance company. Every time the police get called, every time something happened. If somebody follow report or follow motherfucking claim, you'll ask your your insurance fings go up. Actually white and the club no mo M, that's what. Yeah, the insurance companies now they mind them to your fucking Facebook page. You used to be a

time you could do ship even concerts. Used to be a time when concerts are jumping off right, they have a jazz concert. They got all these wolfer r and b acting rappers and ship. Now the fucking insurance company before they insured, they want to see what your Facebook page look like. What you were you advertising? If you ain't got made or somebody that's what that's really a jazz artist, they'll jack your insurance like a motherfucking fact.

They will capsule that ship the day before because you added the wrong person and jack your add We need another twenty thousand to cover this fucking thing, or whatever whatever price they want to charge you. So you got all these tickets out here, you add empty eight to a jazz festival they're gonna have. They're gonna have eight as being a rapper. If eight go to the guard to the jazz festival. The years come to might say, you know what, we can't have em c A because

he's a rapper. Now he's fifty years old. Everybody, he's gonna bring it fifty years old. They don't look at us like that, though. They're coming on. Motherfucking wheelchairs and mother something barkers and ship motherfucker's niggers er finger trickers, got the wheelchairs and ship down. That's real ship. Everybody like you that's got an a r ap card. We know he just called. We're gonna shut it down. We gotta here, Yeah, we are well. That concludes another episode

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