EP 117: Geto Boys Chronicles

mc adick, James and Bix Stairs the Streets. Hello, we like to welcome ever we want to another episode against the Chronicles podcast with my homeboys. Of course, Big Ja and we have some legends in the building night Man. We got Brag Jordan, Nick cave S garfacing Mr Woollie Dan. What's cred? Hey? You know too blessed to be stressed? Right? Family? Ship You ever heard that? You ever heard that song about it? About the comment wasn't easy like something on it?

That's right? Yeah, she man. You know there's so many ways we can start with Yo, man, you' all don't done. Legendary ship Man and you're really just like some of the founding You're really like the Founding fathers kind of like you know, you're right up there with the Founding fathers in East. I wouldn't think. I wouldn't take credit for that. It was what it was. It wasn't no pretend those ship. It was like some real gangster ship, like for real, real I could beat that nigked you

know what I'm saying. I wouldn't actually take credit for it. I wouldn't take credit for being like the founders of that gangster ship. Man, But we did come in at a time where you know, wasn't very much real ship being being spent, so you know it was it was n W a ice team, uh eight. He did a record together back in the gap and cute. You know what I'm saying that there was the fathers to us,

the forefathers of that gangster ship. Man, that that mothercker know what you just say, you know, whatever needed to be said, and that's what we did, you know, Yeah for sure. But you know y'all coming out of Houston, Texas, man, y'all brought a different angle to it. Man. When I first heard y'all, motherfucker's I was like God damn motherfucker's in Texas. Yeah, you know what it was. It was like, um,

there was a lot of bottle up things, right. You know, it's like every every ghetto, it don't matter where you live, that you're going through going through a lot of the same issues. You're going through instant fish living, You're going through insufficient love, insufficient uh. You know, there's a lot of insufficient uh food, you know, insufficient money, you know, just insufficient living. And that right there alone, you know, it is enough to make you lose your damn mind.

And if you lose your mind, always gonna crystallize your mind and your way of thinking, and it's gonna make you get out there and go go even harder. That's why, like most of your your great basketball players and football players, the dudes come from the hood, because you know they the hood got them ready for the NFL before they even got to college to play ball or whatever. Man you have, you remember, you have to play hotball, and

she didn't run through the whole damn team exactly. You got you gotta play murder ball in the damn street on the crime creeping ship and get ready and ship for ship like that man. You remember that man, We used to play football in the councrete before school started,

in the parking lot, playing football on the country. So you take a dude like that and you put him in the same arena, on the same field or the same court as some dude who basically been sped with to still a spoon, and what kind of results you

think you're gonna get. He gonna he donna look like a freaking nature to that dude, because that that dude don't understand that not only do we have his his own uh personal aspirations and whatever, but he's also he has this because he's thinking, man, I can actually break the generational chris with my talent. I can lift my whole family up out the hood with my talent, I can take my neighborhood and put my neighborhood on the back and taking many of these cats that I grew

up with along for the ride. That's a lot of rish possibility we're going in in these situations, whether where they be music or sports or whatever. You know, with the idea that man, we've got a lot of people to feed, you know, and we like and our we were teenagers and twenty something years old with these type of responsibilities and at least, you know, having these type of thoughts. But we feel like we're obligated, you know, to to look after everybody or and you know, you

talked about the community factor. I saw that you guys that both ran for city council. Do you you know one of the things we always talked about on this show. I think there's a need for that. And I always wonder why folks that's not from the community are the ones up there at the top. They know what's going on in the community, they know everyone in the community. Yeah, you know, and I'm talking about not just a council member from the city councilman, the mayor, of the police.

Those should be people from the actual community. A big part of it, that's a great question. A big part of it is that the we live in a society with people like to remind you of your past, and if you have a past where you may have you know, got into a little trouble or whatever. But we know politics is a dirty game and they're gonna use that past against you. And another thing is that we don't want to be seen as hypocriticals, like what do you mean you start up there telling people to do the

right thing, you didn't always do the right thing. And we we we we we get caught up in that and and and those type of moments, and were listening to people who don't want to really see our communities, uh involved. And a lot of these people look like us, but we don't see it because we just see color. But a lot of times it's it's the people before. Before we can get to the white gate keepers, you gotta get past the black gate keep and a lot of the black gate keepers would be the main rue

before your pass in your face. They see you trying to better yourself. You're talking about, uh, you know about cleaning up the community. You're talking about, Hey, don't feel good? People like that? Don't we doing dribe? Don't be sitting with you in your head you start talking like that. You know what about when we did there? So what about when you did that? And that right there is what you did. A lot of the from sharing that information when you start when when when you're running for

public office. So here's the reason why I have for public golfice. I wanted to make a difference in the community that I was born and raised in Okay. You you you look at you you you. I've been all over the world, bro, and when I come back to the neighborhood that I was draught up, and she will look the same, like we're not progress and we gotta we gotta, we gotta, we gotta a decent a decent mayor, and and and and and he's not hearing what we

need to move forward, you know what I mean? Like like, Houston is the fourth largest city in the country, right, and and and and yet and and and and two of the big entertainers in the world come from here, Travis Scott and Beyonce. Right, but we don't have we we we we don't have We're not set up for entertainment. And we should have been set up for this ship, y'all.

We should have been shooting movies here and should have been a tax given to these people man that shoot loris so they come down here and spend some of that money. And and and answer our economy too. You feel me? You know you need forward thinkers in that office downtown. Man, as long as you've got these old ass gatekeepers, Like really was saying, you got these old ass black gatekeepers down here that's praid to take another

step in love forward. You know they play that that go along and get along, go along, get along game shout. I'm not for that ship. I'm for the advancement and the empowerment of my people. Man. And that's probably why they didn't want to suk with me, because they knew I would have been real serious on that, man, and about getting some ship in our community for our youngsters. Man, some four youngsters to do. Our youth ain't gonna go to out man, They're not that they don't have the money.

That kind of ain't set up. Our kids are going to college, so why not give them some money to do trade ship. I can't tell you to stop selling dope or breakular people ship without operating an alternative it. See what I'm saying, All that they're doing that like like we're still stuck in the standstill now. And the councilwoman that they put in place, you know, I don't I don't see nothing. I don't. I don't see nobody going to trade school. I still see illegal dumping. I don't.

I don't see nothing put in place for us. You know, everybody in there trying to get them some money but we're cool men. We were cool. We already got some money. So we want to see all we want our neighborhoods and bands in a sense, you know what I mean. I want to see my neighborhood move forward and get out of this ship, get out of the swamp that they're putting us in constantly. Man, why is the money not trickling down into our neighborhood? That fucking pisses me off?

All right, there's too many people lining their pockets and me and James talking about it all the time. You know, you brought up a deep thing. You brought up trade school. A lot of people talk about college, and I'm fourth college. I got a son who played college football. He's at USC right now. You starting the corner um and I'm all for college. But that's not for everybody. Every kid is not Every kid is out there's not meant to

go before your institution. They just don't have anything like that. But they do have trade school alternatives. You've got kids out here to like to fix cars, like the Bill Ship is good with their hands. But those kids, imagine this, imagine this. Imagine you're leaving out of high school with a certificate man, that way, you are already ready. So you're going working, and you're going work in these places,

and you're going and being will to do. You're well and uh in the ocean, you know what I mean? Like I would say, with this place called the uh the god damn, they don't kill me too, man. A long shoreman I was yeah, yeah. The long shoreman was like, yeah, man, we want to back you man. And just let everybody know that if they come out here, we're gonna pay for them to learn how to do this ship. And we're gonna give two dollars a year, you know, depending

on how long they want to be. But I'm just saying, you know that my grandfather was a master plumber. Okay, So I'm a strong, strong, strong advocate portrayed. Bro, I'm a strong advocate. Portray you have happen happened. I was talking to my step pops the other day and he was talking about, you know, he owned two trucks, He owned two semis, He drove across country, always was the own operator. He told me that they call him every day and he's seven's two years old. That means that

these young dudes ain't stepping up. They either don't know about it or don't half the way in and nothing he made. Do you blame that? Do you blame that on us being uneducated? Though probably be uneducated, education educating. No, no, we can't say undereducated. We can't say we can say not knowing, you know, like like like, ain't nobody just stepped out and say, hey, look you yeah, we got a whole. I got I got three trucks out here. Man, all you need to see the all and come get in.

I'll need to card, come get in. You know you want to work off shore? Come on, man, like we worked with our hands, y'all. You know what I mean? Like like I don't like the college institution and I with you on that. Man, Okay, college, want to go to college? Call us to go to college. Man, go be in the county, Go be a doctor, Go be an in Turney, whatever the funk you want to be.

But for those who grew up with their grandparents, I grew up in the house, in the household, and that the indcome that the income was, you know, forty, I'll get to do that. You don't have that kind of money to go to college. Bro, it's any grand to go to college. Well, here's here's my standing with you know, my you know my my my my daughter just uh passed the boss and she was with now now she graduated from Fordam. Uh. But my son and she's in

New York. My son hasn't business school in London, right, So my son and daughter, you know, we sent them to college because you know, not because they needed that, but we wanted them to have options. They had other dreams and aspirations. I ain't never wanted my kid to do what I do or try to pressure them to

do something. Life is about access and options. If you think about your your own life, anytime you had access and you and options, you you always seem to be a little happy, right when you have access and options. So I sent my kids to those schools to go get the information and come back with it and then use it against it. That's what I sent mine and to go infantcrate, go get the information and but but they got the option. If they want to use that, you can. If you want to go work for somebody,

that's fine. But I did not send my kids to college with with the with the uh with the idea of them going to big somebody else for a job big, and it's somebody that we know that don't like us for a job. That's we gotta make sure that we get over that notion when we do. If we do so our kids to college, we gotta keep that in mind. That we can't be sending our kids to school and expecting them to uh to go do all the right things but they're supposed to do, get that degree and

then go big. These same people that we complain about every single day that are discriminated against us, hating us and hating on us, and and trying and trying to suppress, you know, our movement. Uh, And we can't be relying on them to to give us a job, or to give us a promotion, or to help lot in life. You can't do that. We gotta start building creating jobs before our kids enter the job market. That way they don't have to go big and somebody else for a job. Mama,

Mama and dad. I already took care of that. We got that cover. Because if you want to come in family business, you can't. But if you want to go do your own thing, you got that option. So we gotta start with the first option. Number one should always be the family business exactly. And I'm a strong proponent of that because the thing is, I know some people that's doing our right life right, but everybody, you know,

this really rich that really got money, they work for themselves. Yeah, I don't know, No, I don't know, no, I don't know no bigging there is to work for somebody. I don't know no millionaires to work for somebody. And I'm pretty sure it's a few of them out there, but they're few and far between them. Yeah, And if they do somebody that they're they're at the CEO, they're the CEOs, the CEO orders, you know, they're at the time they're putting all of the putting the Curson screens, they're calling

all the shots. They're right their own check basically exactly, because I know James talked about it a couple of times of actually, you know, building the trade school, like you know, you've got universities building a trade school for guys that's probably like just fresh out of the twelfth grade, you know, fresh out of high school, who don't have no options where they can go learn different trades out there, because they are all ways to make money out there.

Besides stand on the corner because the hustlers did m you know, standing on those blockers did and everything, And I blame it two wheel. What happened to the then they used to teach then they used to do that in high school and offer that you the wood shopping and machine shopping building CAUs that school. Yeah, So so what happened where they just started snatching those programs. Here's what happened. They said back, and they said, these negroes

don't need us. They got they got trades. They're not coming they get the jobs for us. They're starting their own businesses. They're being self deficient and independent. So what do we have to do. We're gonna squeeze them. So so, since we can't squeeze them out of the job market, they're not coming for us for the job. We can't squeeze them out of the job market. What we'll do is we'll just put the hammer down on them and

ride on them. Uh. Set these traps out here, whether it be the dope track or whether it be some other kind of trap, open though some kind of weight. We bring them in. You know, maybe maybe the trapper is don't miss the the bease. Maybe maybe maybe the trappers. You know you are you you you uh? You know you had a dispute in the neighborhood or whatever, and you you know, you slap somebody or put somebody down on the ground. They sink, you know, you gotta reck.

So what I'm saying is that ultimately the ideas they want our bodies warm or cold, they'll take the wrong since they can't make no money with us with the trade. See, we can't make no money with us because we we we realized we can do our own things. When we got a trade, we don't need them. They say, well, well we got another way to get you. We'll get you before you ever even need it. You can even

use that trade. Well, we'll set these path doc up for you that you on into it, take you over to the prison system, and we'll get your ask to go for free. Yeah, we get to you. We'll get you to use that trade, that experience, whatever, a little experience that you big game. We're trained you your trade. In fact, we're gonna take the trade out of the school and we're gonna put it in the prison. Yeah, we're not using the trade. So now you've got a trade.

Now you gotta trade. But you make it five sense of a day. You know, you make a thirty seven sense a day. But you got you gotta trade. You can use it, but you're gonna use it with them. And that's the game. So that's why black meaning we have to go a boil and beyond to stay out of their way. We got to get out of their

way by all means we we damn. They have got to be perfect citizens in this type of structure that we're living under, because the going for them is we are targeting they bring out by this cold or warm. They don't care about us. They hate us. They want us bid, they want us in the prison. They are are they are? They are they ruining us, start sharing around, not the warming. That's what they want up. They can either way and control us in any way. None of these.

If you're jail, if you're a jail, you ain't no warrior. If you if you're dead, you ain't no warrior. And if you run around here acting like women, you ain't no water. So hey, guys, So that's so that's that's why BT can run running that move, play that play if they played, because it's bigger than just oh I want to do what I want to do. I like this person, and this feels like me. Why can't we just show our affection? You know, they are trying to They are trying to destroy the black man in every

single possible way. And and if they if if they can destroy the black man, if they can destroy the black man, they can destroy a black family, Oh for sure. And I always talk about that. I'm gonna tell you something weird. The welfare system has people are coming. It is crypt our community because I'm gonna tell you, I'm embritly from Cleveland, Ohio. I'm gonna tell you the house the people I grew up with next door, the mama,

and the mama was on welfare. Now I'm guessing who they are the same kids that I grew up with. Jarge Steve over here. They are on welfare and got kids. That's what they do. They get together full of money. And what are these white folks tell the people You can keep getting this money as long as you don't bring up in here, lay up with out here. But now that we know that, like hold on. But now

that we know that it's on us. See, I'm gonna tell you one thing that I you know, I do believe that all of us, as human beings, we have a right to complain about something. If something bothers you, you have a right to complain. But after you complain, do something. And there's too many of us that just just complain but don't do anything after we complain as men, as men, I think it's unmanly and and don't put any action behind it. I think it's unmanly, right, I think.

I think it's unmanly. I think it's unmanly to not be a warrior, to not be a protector, to not be a provider. I think it's um I think it's unmanly to live upon a woman and expect a woman to take care of you. I think that's you know what I mean to do it. Let me say this, if, if if we allowed the system to tell continue to spoon feed us, they're gonna always be in the same

condition that we're in. You know, father, you see what I'm saying, And you know we want we want we want the right to do this, We want the right to do that. Why then do we still have to ask for and I could do some ship well, this should already be granted anyway. Why do are we still, you know, uh, givling and dabbling with this voting bill, and said, why are we still fighting for the right to vote? You know why every you know, a few years so you know, it comes back and we gotta

ask for the right to vote. To you, you feel like this ship is getting sucked up, y'all. We gotta put what they gotta keep it that way to keep us in. Please if if they can't keep us in, please because they're already afraid that we're rowing in this country and black people shouldn't be where they are. McConnell, Mr McConnell is the biggest piece of ship in the Senate, y'all. I don't know if y'all pay attention to politics, but he's the be he's the biggest piece of ship, and

he's the biggest piece in the Senate. Yeah, for sure, it's a whole bunch of you. He might be the biggest piece of ship. But all that man, those yeah, all of them meals. Man, ain't ain't none of them good. It's like, you know, one one thing about the day about it. You know, they keep getting on Trump about this tech stuff, right, and I thought about the taxation in itself is as it should be against the law.

It's horrible. You know when when when we first when when they came first came over here, you know, to America whatever and settled it. Right, wasn't that what they left England for them, trying to press them with the money and stuff. Then they turned around in the eight hundreds and did the same thing again because it's the time of war. You an't supposed to take taxes when it's time of war. That was the thing to support

the war. But they kept it going because America has managed to keep herself in the state of war since then, around the world we somewhere fightings, and it allows them to keep taking all money. You think about it, I'm asking I'm gonna ask you all all this will how much have you paid them to the social Security system? I'll keep m brand how much have you played in the Social Security system? Millions and millions of dollars? Bro?

You know, they take that money, they take that tax money that they get from you, and they and they advanced some of that money to your social security exactly. Man, over time, every time I get paid, they it's something going to Social Security. But check this out, though, right, I looked at some ship the other day, and he says that through my life, I've already accumulated enough credits to retire, right, but I'm not allowed to retire. I

thought it was sixty. I looked on the stick. Sixty seven, okay, seven years old? Yeah, so I retire sixty seven years old. I don't give these people almost a little bit over half million dollars already, right, I don't give them all this money. I'll retire sixty seven? How long? How much longer? Let's keep it one hundred? How much past sixty? Am I gonna live ten years past sixty seven? If I'm lucky for a black man, it's like seventy years, and

you've got five years after years after that. Man, that's the kids left over. Now that's the question. What are they gonna do with that money? I kill a little for I passed away? Are they gonna cut my wife and kids and check and say, here you go? Your father was honorable, man, here's the rest of his money. No, where did that ship go? It's all a con game, man. Yeah, money going back into the time and they go back

to the park. But who's gonna be the person? It's like, you know, We're sit up here and talk well, and I don't like talking to me. I'm about action, Like you, what what can we do about this ship? We don't have no real strong leadership in the community. Man. There's a lot of ship that's really just going sideways. You know, I have uh you know, I take issue with like like leadership, like black leadership, like saying that we don't

have lead ship. And the reason why I take issue with that is because if we if we focus on a leader, anytime we have somebody, we can say that's our leader, that's our leader. When they killed the leader, they take out the leader, then the movement dies. And see this our movement. This is why every time we get a movement going, you met, everybody get on a board. Okay, we got our leader, and then they take them down and then the movement just died. So every single one

of us have leadership in us. We have We are capable of beauty, We are capable of leading. We just know of us who are capable. I wouldn't say all of us are capable of leading leading, because all of us are not capable of leading, but many of us are capable of leading. And that's leadership. All around us. It's just that the people that all our leaders are not, you know, raising their hands and saying I'm the leader. You know that they're not. You know, like you're a leader,

You're a leader. You know. Mean there's people everybody right here I'm calling leading. You know, I know y'all leaders because I know I know a little bit about all y'all. I don't know. I know a little bit about all y'all, and everything that I've seen about y'all told me that y'all was a leader. You know, y'all not followers. Everybody over here is not fos. Everybody kind of moved to the their own be to their own draft. That's leadership. And we we just need more. You need more individuals

to assume their role. Yeah, you know, you know where it starts too, you know, just to to get behind what we all are saying. Man, I think that we need to control that voting. Man. Once we control that vote and put the right people in place to make this for us, you know, start going a lot different. Man. Right now, we we we we're really checking the vote. For granted, if you get a motherucker like Willie D in the office, you're gonna see some changes, you know,

like the office. You're don't see some changes, man, because yeah it has to be Will they allow that? I mean, but listen, they're gonna have to allow or they're gonna keep going through the they're going through. You got motherfucker's in there, has beens been sitting in Congress and send it for fifty years, bro, and they ain't did ship be sign their names and ship or pop up at

a motherfucking funeral. Dog. That's not leadership, bro, Leadership We continue to take it for granted, like like like we're taking for granted. You're gonna go and work for this man and I'm gonna make me, you know, fifty five thousand dollars sixty thousand dollars a year and the person behind me and you'all no fucking job, but fuck him, I'm cool. That's not how we should be looking at

things these days. Bro. We should be looking at man, Okay, I got the job that's goned pack the sixty year in a year, But how do I get the next man so he can take care of Now? That's what I'm talking about right there. That's why I answer the answer is uh, group group economics. That is once we build our economic system, we didn't you run it. This is how you run it. If you ain't got money in the United States of America, you ain't running up

about your mind. You gotta have money, money running, money running, So you did it. This is why, this is why every major city in America you have these Asian communities that before they became Asian communities, they were just they may have been mixed communities or predominantly black communities or whatever. And you know, you ride by in the street is called bad at. You come through there a couple of years sold later or one day and you just ride

by on the street is called slas slass. You know you didn't hear no news story about in the name of the street. They didn't have to get anybout of the march with no schools, celebrities came out with no special announcement. They just changed it. You know what, that's Monday money did money and make make money, make things move. He got a lot of us. We got the money, but we're not doing of this pool and our resources and reaching back to graph even more people and teach

them the game. You know a lot of times people say the game and sold. I told no, we gotta tell the game, you know, because we said that the game is sold not too told to an extent, but a lot of this game needs to be told in order to bring our people along though, those of us who are seeking that knowledge that's first. First for that knowledge, we gotta give him the game. We can't afford. We don't have the luxury. And not giving them the game we out of here. Bro we had war and it's

all his old book. We don't have the luxury. I'm not sharing the knowledge. We don't have the luxury. Are tapping that little youngster that might be a little wild and everybody is scared of them. We ain't got we don't have the luxury, not spent the purements and just trying to show them the different things. You don't have that luxing, don't. I think the problem is we don't talk about like what I'm in right here. We don't

hear that. We don't hear people talking. They're saying, we need to get this back into schools and all it is. We need to educate these young kids because there's a lot of black men out there that have no clue, that only believes in what they see and what they do. You see what I'm saying. So, just like you said, we got to get out there and relay this message. But some of us don't want to hear this message.

Some of us believe that there's no way that black men are black people can come together and and make ship happen. We we tell each other down, is what I'm saying. So we got an other ways to build each other up. Our separates thing um pretty much everything. Because when when you hear black man greeting another black man, what's up with nigga? But then get man when the white man said, nigga, But what about how you doing?

My brother? What's up black man? We need to greet each other and to different kind of way because we are stuck in something that we have no knowledge of, belief and understand it. When these people feeding us the other bullshit, you feel me? So what what what I'm saying to you is we need to grow. We need

to understand and educate our minds. You don't have to necessarily being a school because the streets marksmitted the past marks, and if you can understand the ship that goes on in the streets, you can come in a classroom, you can go to work and you can spill that that knowledge right there, like like we're doing here on this podcast. You know what I'm saying. So what what black men need to do is understand what Scar Pacing really is talking about. What norm still have to argue what m

c a Is saying. You know what I'm saying, our life history, the way we've been living as black people. A lot of a lot of black people don't care and hes you know what I'm saying about that game if everybody, everybody ain't gonna make it. Bill, we got to see the thing about one thing about us is that we in innately we're loving people. You know, we are we are forgiving people, right, Uh just its innately

and historically we are forgiving people. And this is why we always and we are We feel like everything should be fair. Right, We're like, this is why we take on a lot of people's causes that don't take on our corpins. We see something happen to happening to another race or another group of people, and that they never fought for us, they never stood up for us. But we just that's not fair, that's not right. We just automatically waving their flag. We're just we're just riding for him.

That is because we we got this concept that things are supposed to be fat. No, look, it ain't about fatness. It's about bending another person to your wheels, bending them to your weird What is it that you want? What is it that you need? They must comply. Ain't no other and the ain't no asking. Stop asking people and power to share power. They're not going to share it power. They didn't act for to share the power. They went and took it. So you gotta take power if you want.

But everybody, everybody is not going to make it. Some some black people out they are poking up. They look black on the outside, but they're hite on the instide. And but they can get by a lot of times because what we would do. And it's some of them that are only social media platforms who are masquerading like social warriors. They are here acting like they're really for the people, but they really not. And this is how you can recognize. This is the easiest way to recognize it.

If your criticism of the black community outwhere your contribution you want. It's a whole lot of them. All they do, all they do is touched it about black people. Oh, they might throw you off a little bit. This is what's confusing, because this is what they'll do to get you on that side. They'll be like, they'll say a couple of things that's true that everybody agreed to, Like all people say, yeah, that's uni universally that's true. For instance, you know, black people need to they need to stop

with the black on black crime. Everybody. Yeah, man, that is I got a poem that too. Yeah, that's probably that's probably everybody like, yeah, yeah, right, um, yeah, well, well you know that there's a lot of you know, uh black people that uh that uh, you know, selling dope and we gotta stop selling dope while you sell dope and get more when over jail. Oh yeah that's right, Y's stop. Yeah man, yea, that is true. That is true.

And then they go so they'll go light. They'll go light on a few things that are right at a universally right that nobody can dispute. And then they go pop heavy on throwing black people under the textbook Candice Bns textbook, Step and a skin textbook far all of them. They go top heavy on their criticism of the black community. They say something that's right, they might say, well not at all back, and then they start and after that they start generalizing. But we need to do better as

a people. A big part of it is that we gotta get used to uh destroying, equistrating those coping nuts because the fairy thing was we gotta be okay and getting rid of and also the book of nuts who are going around shooting about making a neighborhood. I say, for the women and the children, their motherfucker's got go to. And some of them are my family members, fuck them, some up my from up from of them I do up there, fuck them, they got to go. The motherfucker's

got to go. They're making my job that much harder every every day that will be allowed him to be comfortable in the neighborhood and this ride through and be dangerous in the neighborhood is it is still as I fight, I overall fight. It makes harder for us. It's like imagine if you were in a box, the rain and your and your appointment was in the front of you, and you were throwing punches and ship and the motherfucker

behind your heads behind you. That's that that motherfucking come thenother you can see him because you know what you are about this. This is your announced the point right his motherfucker And I'm setting up with the band you but you got to feel don't want touches over Eve. You got this, you know, like you know. So that's what it's like, you know, being you know and in this space that we're in. You know, sure if we do not care for Will, Yeah, I'm gonna tell you,

those white boys ain't playing it. They all here in Camelfornia, man, they're in the mountains. They gathered up their guns. They got their six year old daughter to the other shoot. They got their nine year old fund in the other shoot. And you know what we're doing. We're down here on the internet playing with each other, talking about each other, playing and playing and playing around while they up there getting ready and making cick top dance challenges and ship

and video terk and shaking our ass all that old ship. Yeah, we're down playing and they up there really getting ready. They got compounds where they don't put together, they got food stored up, they got water. They're getting ready for something. And we're out here playing. If we're not careful. And another thing, we're not looking at I was reading something. They were talking about this private prison. They were up twenty seven percent last year and made nine eight million

dollars one prison, one prison. It's the new slavery because if they can take if they can take Monston, they can take months Ton and James Son, hey Son, Brad Soon and put in the prison. There are assets. They're looking this assets now we are being traded and I don't even know. It's just so much stuff. We all don't want to gonna change him. It's so much stuff that we shouldn't be mad about, that we should know about,

but we're not seeing nothing. We had a guy on this show that um he was born cats out here on the you know expenci Resurgeon. They put this man in jail. They kept the stores open and lock them up. They put that's kidnapping. You're not. You don't charge somebody to something. You just come and grabbing us. Next day something what is that called? We're doing our das the day out here he was, he was, he was messing with the money very much. Guess we've got to get

it together. Your come some music questions? You know my thing? Uh like no, we we try to conversate about about other things than hip hop or whatever. One thing I do want to say is something from that same background. Um, we see a lot of ships that go down with the youth today. It's hard to control, you know what I'm saying. I'm knowing they're rough down there where y'all add especially where we are up in Chicago. Uh, from

where we come from in our background, you know. Uh, a lot of opportunities wasn't presented to us, especially to myself coming up you know whatever, why I started gang banging and doing that route. Uh being the man that you are today, you face whatever. How do y'all feel about when people say do you feel responsible? But how the youth turn out today because of them listening to us and what we went through as artists. Yeah, on a personal note, I feel like whatever criticism we get,

we need to get credit also. We need to get credit for all of those all of those young black people and and Tino, black Latinos and and even white people who got it. We listened to our music and got inspired and went out there and made something great out of themselves. Like people love to talk about anything that's wrong with the youth, They love a point at

rappers for for anything that's wrong. But when when their kid is shining, when their kids get that, get drafted into the NBA, NFL A, Major League Baseball or whatever, when their kids become a lawyer, doctor, scientist, an entrepreneur, they want to take all the credit. They look at me, look at me, that that's me, that's me, that's me.

But but but when they when the kid comes become a fucking junkie, uh killer, you know h they end up in jail and they end up on the internet, working and bending over and shipping all that old ship. They want to blame that on rappers. Give me my motherfucking credit. When your kid get that degree, also get I want to if you're gonna give me, you're gonna criticize me for the music. When the kids out there sucking up, I won't create it. I won't up and

the rappers won't create it. When your kids are out there doing great ship, we want our create its our ship. Now I have been said that I do believe that all of us, as arted, we have a responsibility, a greater responsibility than I even knew. When I was making the music. I really didn't understand how important. The message was. All I knew is that we're gonna put some information

and instructions out here, information and influct you. I didn't know that something that some of the things that I said, uh would be would would actually uh not really benefit the community. I was because but my whole thing was always two uh, to be a voice for the voices, to try to be that dude that would say the ship and stand up to the powers that be get at the bullet like everybody else scared do it. I get him. You know what I'm saying, You're scared that motherfucker.

I fight him, you know what, not just fight him with his ass, you know what I'm saying. Like That's always been my mentality. Like, so that's why I'm not afraid of the government. I'm not afraid of police officers. You know, I'm not afraid of any gangster, anybody that got a bunch of money or whatever, got goons or whatever, because I operate with the understanding that anything that a man can do to me, I can do to him, and I will do it, you know what I'm saying.

And I've always but I'm I'm I'm a nice guy, you know anybody that if you, if you really know me, you know I'm a nice guy. I'm a good guy, you know. And I do believe that that's one of the reasons when you still here to tell my story, because I was shown favor because I have a good heart. I was shown favor if I wasn't just a dusty ass dude, you know, and if I was a dude that just went in and just readab it on the community. I never gave back. I never tried to help anybody.

You know. I don't think I would be in a position that I'm in today. But I said a lot of good seeds and that and and that's the reason why you know I'm still standing. You know. Well, I was gonna ask you because you mentioned the way you said. I hope his ask you ain't playing. He would have been a professional boxing hun. Yeah, but what I did, I did. I didn't have a few profiles, was that right, Yeah, when you was out there, I had a shifty rector

that's three and one three one. But but the thing the thing about it is this, man, uh, I just started boxing too late. Like I think that when you start boxing, you should be hungry, like like like like literally hungry, right, like I ain't got when at the house when you know, we ain't got this or whatever, And I think you would come out like that and you're gonna be more hungry. Like when I started boxing,

I was already into the money. When I professionally and I started walking professionally, I was already into the money. I was always I was already making wrap money and real estate money and stuff like that. So you know, when I leave the gym, I'm not coming home because to my girlfriend house and my some room and my mama's basement or whatever. I'm coming home to a fucking mansion. You know what I'm saying. It's a difference. It's a big difference when you when you when you because because

boxing there's a blood sport, type of sport. When you walk into the rain, you can lose your life, and you know it in the back of your head, and everybody like, not the funk would you do something like that to do that? You know that. It's hard to explain, but it's something think about whatever it is that really gets you off, Well, they're really really excites you. That's

how That's how boxing was for me. It's exciting it's like when you're walking into that ring and it's like a warrior, you know, like ancient warrior, you know, room times. You know, it's like, uh, it's like, uh, You're walking into the ring and people are looking at that thin and this these people over here for this guy, these people for this guy. You got people over here betting

and stuff like that. And you're walking into the ring and you know that Chris guy is gonna try to knock you out and your job is to is to hurt him, and you know, and in the back of your mind you're saying to yourself, I could actually die. I'm gon not walk out of this ring a lot. It's it's kind of like, in a way, it's kind of poetic at the same time, it's kind of sick. You know. It's kind of six Ship but you know, like, uh, but it's it's it's boxing though. It was just something man.

I I just I love the ship out of it. And people that that that that do it, they know what I'm talking about. But everybody thought that I was gonna boxer when I wanted to Texas go to Lives Championship. Everybody thought, Okay, he's naturally gonna become a boxer, and and I was rapping around the same time. But I realized that I was really good at rapp and I was really good at boxing. The girls like rappers. The

girls like boxes. The girls you get a lot of money wrapping, You can get a lot of money boxing. But at the end of the day, when I get through rapping, when I leave the studio or lead the stage, I ain't got no headaches. So that's how I chose over boxing because I was like, long term, I had Mohammad Ali in the back of my mind, like like what had happened to him? And I didn't want to be that dude. I remember here in New York City one then and I saw I Ran Barkley and I

walked up behind him and I said, what's up? I ran it? Uh? And he said uh he uh. He looked back like in slow motion like this, he had to turn his whole body and he was like, uh, what's up? Will it d It's real story. Speech was really slurred and he had his last fact was maybe maybe two years before that. When I started that condition, I was like, yeah, I don't want to be that dude, you know, right, that's a brutal sport. You know, y'all got a new podcast coming up, man, right, Ghetto Boys

reloaded what we're gonna get on there? Man? We get some more information and instructions. That's all we've ever been about that, all that music that we did. It was always okay, if we make a song and we finished, like, okay, where's the information, where's the instructions? If we don't hear the information, instruction like, go back to the grand board information and instructions. So that's what we're doing now. So this is more like a like an extension of other music,

but more better in the podcast format. And you know, I got it. We got a few more minutes, man, So I gotta touch on some music. If I ask you the music questions do you do? Was gonna flood my embox. You had wie d on there and you ain't asking this a meth You know, how did you because I've never heard this before, how did you get hooked?

Because you wasn't an original member of the Ghetto Boys at first it was it was pretty red and it was ready red juke box and Prince Unty c mm HM and uh prencio se which is the hell of a hell of a dude, you know, the hell of a hell of a writer, underrated out of New Jersey. So what happened was I signed to Wrap a Lout as a solo artist. After I was there for a few months. A couple of months, so I finished my album and Jay came to me one night and he was like, man, I got an idea, and what you

think about being a ghetto boy? And I was like, no, I don't want to be in a rude. I snapped that ship out like I shot it down, real thing. But I don't want to be in the group. Man, I don't want be a group. And and I'm saying this because I'm I'm an odd person. So I look at stuff, I look at scenarios and what's most likely to happen, and I move a lot on most likely scenarios. And I was like, well, if I joined the group, most likely to happen, what's most likely happened is that

we're gonna break up. It's gonna be allowed with a lot of drama and ship like all of these groups I've seen in the past. How you look at the greatest groups, the Temptations, the Supremes, you know, Smoking Robinson and the Miracles, all of them. You know, they broke up. You know, wrote was strong with all of them, broke up and out. I don't like investing in something and not doing the distance. Like if I funk with Jump

stuff with you, I don't. I don't understand that people who put a limitation on large, I don't and that I don't. I don't believe in large to have the inspiration day. So this is why I funked with to this day. You know, like me and Jay, we don't pick it like we used to. But if Jake called me right now and said, well we won't what you need to do, bro, I'm saying that's me, you know, say, don't matter how much I give, but ha far alone,

that don't matter because anyboda. So so for me, you know, so Ja came to me and he was like, man, you know, he was like he was trying to convince me. And then I was like and then he was like do it for me. I was like, somebody, they didn't go to stoopid this ship, because that's that's that's simple statement through it. For me, I could refuse because this dude was investing in my dream. Nobody else in the planet was doing it. Nobody else on the planet was

doing that. He was putting up the money. It's a lot of people can cheer and and you know and pop me up and all that ship. But you know, he was gonna put the money up. He was putting the money up. So when he said like that, I was like, all right, and then I'm thinking the back of my mind, you know, plus okay, that's two spects instead of one. Right, So I wrote, uh, do it like a geo? That was the first Getto Boys thronging room. I won't do it like a geo? And I wrote

let ahobi U let a whole bie home. One of my classes. You were like the Geo classes, But that's one of the classes. When I wrote those two songs, those was gonna be Geto Boys song. He asked me to write hold on, I'm going too fast, let me back up. Before he asked me to join the group, he asked me to write for the group. M So I was gonna I wrote those two songs for the new Geto Boys our with the old group. I wasn't.

He comes back to me and say, man, that's when he come back to me and say, I don't know, we can sow later. Man, I got this idea, why don't you be you know what you think about being to get Over boy? And that's right now now now. So anyway, I agreed to be in the group. And uh because when he let his people listened to those two songs, he was like, man, yeah, this is it was going crazy or this is the direction we're trying to take the group in because before that, you listened

to the Peri Curtist to Get Over Us album. You know, you know it's you can see a kind of run their feet type nine right exactly. They got the you know, the the hats on the gold chain black, you know kind of run DMC thing with Jay wanted to be more authentic to Houston. He wants more authentic to the South,

like we got a different style. We we all we all have basically the same plight, uh, but we have Uh that's some cultural differences based on where you are, what you can at the country you're head right, where neighborhood you live in. That are something cultural differences and Jay wanted to uh explore those differences. So that's what happened. He wanted to I guess a better world would be explore those differences. But he wanted to explore those differences.

And uh so when I come out with to do it like a do you know I'm back like the wether making trug. I'm in the stass and kicking ass in the devil. No motherfucker live gonna stop me, so funk when you goddamn posse, it's time to step on some mother Yeah, fuck them. Hold coach, ain't playing our songs. I want to know what the hell going on? I meant that ship out like in New York j like beat that motherfucker head because we're playing the ship. We're

playing all of this New York ship. We ain't never hate we if it's ship is jam and we funk with it. So we're playing New York ship while y'all not playing ship. Give me more call ready and stuff that I could ask. And the motherfuck New York is well again. So let the ego sheet in. You know, we all we we acknowledge that we recommend New York is will be doing. But let the ship. Let the

ego she in. So with that song, that song, if you listen to that song, that song was touched on the whole, not your issues, and I just wanted to touch on all the issues that uh that we relevant, you know to trying to navigate through this life and dealing with all the stuff that you the angst that you deal with, you know, being inside of a black buy you know, like black red is being this own, not by the other folks, but its own. Uh. The said, let me see, the black man the year is being

his own, not by the others, but its own. Uh damn the drawing the blank. But anyway, the bottom line was that I was saying that how black radio A lot of black radio stations at the time was not playing black black wrappers. It wasn't playing rap music. Man. It was like, no, that ain't cool, you know, like that's like a lot of clube wasn't playing rap music back then. A lot of R and D plays wasn't playing rap music. They probed it was black people just like in l A. I know this was happening in

l A too. They were black people that used to pride themselves or not listening to rap music like to that they thought they it was almost like they thought that was special that they didn't listen to rap music. You know, they thought there was They thought it was some type of degree or some ship listening to rap music. Hey, here you go check this out. You know. So my eyehole thing was like, man, this ship right here, it's going to be the vehicle that drive us straight up

by the poverty. And so anybody that get in the way of this journey if they're gonna get red in the funk over. We had DJs who would not play the music. So you know, I was like an original rap lot doing walk up to the DJ, Yo, man play the song. I don't know. I mean, I can't play that. You know, I can't play this is all right because I can't play that. Man, get fined and you want to get fired, you like, you want to lose your job and you want to lose your teeth.

It's simple broke, Like I'm serious. Like so a lot of people don't even understand that they eating because of the efforts that we put it in. Like, we really took some penitential chances to get this music played right. And I understand, you know, and I understand that that is music got that didn't really benefit the coaching, really set us bank and all that. But I don't believe

that we ever made that type of music. I think if you listen to our kid objectively, you know, I think that you're gonna get a whole lot more Uh, you know, information and instructions to help you navigate through this, through this, through this, uh, this maze, this, this weird as s place that we live in. Then you then you would not Yeah, and you was responsible too for a big, major part group. You told bush with the rep right. Yeah, Well when Bushwick the Crate the Trip.

Part about it is that me and bush Wood had got into a you know, u a situation, you know, and the Bill was already red rap a Lot and we got into that situation. So I come in later and signed the rapp a Lot. So we're really picking it, ang kick it or nothing like that. But he's around. He's ain't go around. So when we got ready to make the album, we go out to the ranch, Jay Ranch, and Bill is hanging out. Bill is in the car, he's in the van. We dropped out. He hanging out.

We're going out to make the Ripe for the first time. The first day that we went to gonna make the Roocket, it's the same day that I met Brod. I met him on the first day that we got the record. M Hm, Jukebox, he he's gonna be in the group. It's gonna be Me, Brad and juke Box as the three mcs and ready read the DJ. No, we wasn't gonna have nobody else in the group at all the day.

But Bill is hanging out in the studio and about one day after the first day of recording, first a second day, juke Box get some information where some personal information that makes him make the decision that he, uh, he can't be in the group anymore. He don't want to be in the group. I think it was stuff situation about having a baby on the way or something like that. This music ship wasn't woken out, so he

put the group. Mm hmm. So builders hanging out in the studio, get hanging out with a fart in lapping public end, Yes, the rhythm the weather without a pause and Lord and my Lover. He's rapping like that. You know when I look at him and a light come on, I say, man, I said, man, let's put Bush Week in the group. Everybody started laughing. I say, you see, that's what everybody else gonna do. They're gonna laugh until

they hit this gangstad and shoot him the right. That's so I asked Jake if I write this form and he do with? Is he in the group? And Jay like, oh no, man, Bill, what you think? So Bill like, I don't know, but I can try. I took Bill into the kitchen, we said, at the breakfast table. I asked them some questions about it and stuff, and I embellished it with what I thought it might be like to walk in and shoes and I overside and ship.

Three days later he recorded it. You know, he practiced it for three days and on that third day he recorded it and ship. After that it was on since now, if you listen to that first album, Bill is only on like four songs that he was moving. We had. It was under these strict time constraints, and we did. We got him in that just enough to textualize him as a member of the group. And so uh, that's how he became with Bill recorded. He didn't even have

a contract. That's crazy. He didn't. He didn't even have a contract when he recorded that album. But we we knocked that album out in ten days album to get the only song that we had already was. Uh, we had a shell of the scarf Face song. You know that song, scarf Face. We had a shell of that song and really ready put some stuff from popive and just took that thing out into the stats field because

I was really with the Scarface. We heard them, because that's when he made the transition from his name being DJ Action the scar Face after that, right, but now now now he changed, He went acting the scarf Face when he went solo. Mm hm. After we did after we did the first album together, we did a remake put out in nineteen ninety with Rick Ruby. Yeah, that level album. Yeah, and then then it was the we

Can't Be Stopped Alving. Actually is when he changed the name, because his solo came like a couple of months after the We Can't Be Stopped Alving. That's that's the album with the non trick Suner so his so so he came with a solo about two three months after that, and so that's how that happened. All right, Phyllis, let's pay some bills real quick. We'll be right back, yeah man, Yo.

Definitely man our major major contributors to hip hop culture because I remember and it's crazy for me to say, because I ain't that much younger than you at all, you know what I mean. But I literally grew up listening to the Ghetto boys, and when I listened to the Ghetto boys, I saw what the fifth ward was, and that was what hip hop being for me back then. You know, I'm gonna keeping in Cleveland, right and so I'm listening to get boys. My boys in the car.

We slipped it like this, We all there, you know, got pistols in the car and everything. You know, you know what I mean. And I said, man, this is what Texas is like. When I heard in the w A, I said, Okay, this is what Kelly is like. You know what I'm saying. It's what compan like. You know

what I'm saying. So it definitely gave you that that field. Man, I caught like to call it like it was a real visual to it, you know what I mean, animated eight know that better than anybody, because that that ship that he did was so fucking graphic, like like you could picture. He paid. He was he don't get enough credit for painting pictures. When he rapped. He paid pictures.

You can see Chip you like walking with him like you were listening to his ship, you'd be like, if you think we all we all to do this at want to go, Well, you ain't try that one of the podcast dropping bro Money Day this Monday. Man, it's still heard that man. So what I want you to do? Man, we gotta we got a few people actually listening to this show. Man. So what I want you to do? I need all y'all to go out there right now.

Go to all iTunes, go to Spotify, whatever your favor the platform meals, man, and find their new podcast man to get on boys, reloaded, get on board. Yes, indeed absolutely man. And we appreciate you, man, We appreciate Scarface. I think it's his phone tropped. He kept clicking out of clicking in man, But we appreciate your brothers coming on man. And I had to call I had to call Brad later when when when we get off, I

hate em up and see what he up to? You know, that's that's here, you know how to tour with your ganger places. You know. You know that's Brad for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And and he going through it. I got told. I told another day man, I really can't say too much ship right now because you know you're going through it, so I can you know, like you know, yeah, you know, like all right, right, give him a little pass a little bit, little pass the ball. You wait till you

get mother. I'm gonna be on his egg. That's right, that's the job always. Yeah, man, I know one thing, Will, I don't want to get you all on here and talk about a bunch of music because people, you know, for the most part, you know your history, your brothers, and that's what I was telling change. Really, I said, man, these brothers got a lot of ship to say about issues that's going on. So you know what, we definitely got to have you back on his motherfuck again, dogs

all were ain't enough, you know what I'm saying. I wanted to hear about how they came with the Mind Playing Tricks on Yeah, back to back in my cadil. Yeah, that's to me. I give you, I give you a long story shot from so Brad, My Mind Playing Tricks was a scar faced record, and initially Brad brought that

song to the table. Brag heard is Brad was in the house with his grandmother and his grandmother his grandmother had misplaced something and she said, you know, what did I do with such such such And I can't finding my mind playing tricks something. So Brad Brad catching light bulk come on. So he writes a song, my mind playing tricks something. He wrote three verses. If you listen to the song Brad got to he's the only one that has two verses verses and Bill have one verse.

I got one verse. He gave Bill his third verse, and I wrote my verse. So you know, if it was today, we probably just would have just used those three verses and said that's cool. But I grew up in an era where you write your own set. If you didn't write your own SIPs, he was a real roup. Write my own ship. I don't want this verse. I want my own ship and write my own ship. So

that's how that came about. But you know, it was brilliant number one for Brad to come up with the song first and farmost it's not even it don't happen without his you know, without his his genius, it don't happen. And then it was double brilliant, brilliant for Jada say, I think this is a deal better ghetto boy out better director. You know, this is cool, but I think

it'd be better if it was a gettle boy. And if you listen to it and you see that you hear the different you hear the different personalities each of us take you to a different place. You know you're hearing uh you know the parianalia you mean, uh, mental health infused. Uh that that's a there's a certain amount of uh uh this this longerty that you hear that stuff. All of that stuff is laced throughout that song, and you get it and it takes you to different levels.

So uh, when we did the song, James, I, I just did the song and left it alone. I didn't think the song. I had no idea of the song would even be close to doing it. I didn't think the song was a fucking great song. I thought it was a good song. But I also thought the other eleven songs on the album with good songs. Because when I make music, when I write a song, I don't try to write hits. I try to write classes. I just try to write a song that you're never gonna forget.

So the consumer decides what's gonna be a hit based on based on stairs. I got control of what's gonna be a classic by what I put into that song, pour into the song, I decide if it's gonna be a classic or now. So that's all I do with every single song. I just pour into it. Whether I'm talking about you know, riding on what I'm saying, the k k k uh, my mind's playing tricks on me. Uh hey, watch having the ball it hold? You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna pull everything into that song

and I'm gonna make it a classic. That's the way I operate, right. So I didn't know the song was gonna do what it did. I just got I did the song and left it alone and kept moving forward. And then we we did our when we did I test run, but we when we let people listen to the songs and they decide which ones they like. Everybody was like, well, I like the whole album, yeah, but

you point you like the most. It's hard if you had you from the pick and it was a life of that situation, which one of these songs that you picked, and everybody kept going back to my playing trick. And even then I didn't think it was a great song. I was just like, with that's where we're going with that? Cool? Because I I do a song and I don't care how good he is. I started focusing on me. I got I don't like really just bask and you know, arrest on my lords. So I just kept it moving.

And then next thing, you know, man, they said it to radio man, and we didn't have to go through the whole that regular process of going through the mix and getting added and this is that nothing. It was like day one. Picky spans a week on every radio station across the nation, and and they played it for six months straight that that That song was called a phoner. It's what it's called a phone radio. A phoner is a song that make the phone ring a lot the phone.

And every song that you if that phone ring, it was more than likely people are acquinting to request that song. That's a phone And I'm gonna tell you something that was crazy about that song. And you didn't have a hook on it, right, I didn't have a hook. He was just there. I mean we didn't. We weren't really, We wasn't really big on hooks back then and our day though, we really weren't. We just just put the song out, just put the verse out, talk to the people,

and keep it moving. To the next. I'm not trying to think about no hook to keep you happy or whatever. I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell you something to describe what's going on, and we're gonna keep it moving. Yeah. Yeah, feeling. It's a feeling with whether you put us hook in the song or not, the words, whether you put because it has it is a hook. The music is the hook, but it's but it's a it's a feeling, whether you put lyrics in that space or not. And so we

got a few songs like that, uh one stuff. Man, he's just you know, you looked at them. It's almost like a songs the melody actually talks to you. The music speaks. It's like it's talking. It's like the music, guy, like the music come alive. The melody comes alive. It's talking to me. And that's a that's that's what I mean by the melody coming alive and actually talking to you. Yeah, that was that was That was then all time class man. It was a classic. And Will just got one more question,

are we giving you more with you the albums? Man? You know, I like to really do something because you know, once an artist, always an artist. I don't care what eight say. He canna always do artist and he always gonna really been the back of mynd. I want to do one more, you know I should, That's gonna always been on your mind. So I for me, For me, I was like, I'm like, as much as I want to be one, and I got some great ideas, but

I don't want it to fall on deaf ears. You know, I don't want to just go in and make an album because doesn't cost money, and it costs. It costs money, and it costs time to make these records, and I don't want to just make do something like that. I don't want to just make a record just the chips and give us I want if I make the record, I spend my time and my money and my effort. I want people to hear it. And we're in a we're in a We're in an age right now where

favor is not given to the best stuff. I feel like, I do believe that that this generation is the first generation of music lovers who are not going to experience the best that that generation has to offer. Now, they're gonna have thumbs experiences. You know, there's always gonna be a few artists, but there's always gonna be stun But a lot of artists in this generation don't want to play the game. They got good stuff. They don't want to do moble wrap. They don't want to be mindless stuff.

They don't want to. They don't want to. They don't want to talk about killing black men. They don't want to do that. So they they might make music and they just make music at home, or they're just gonna get a job someone and just say fucking you know, I'm not I'm not doing this, you know. And so even even on the R and B side of things, you know, uh, they don't want to make music because a lot of the R and B artists ain't really talking about nothing. They there's no substance. So a lot

don't want to play the game. They just don't want to play the game. So I believe that when we came out, if you was dope, when you was just a dope, ask MC, it was gonna be hard if you cant get on, If you were spoken and returning to get up on, you're gonna be able to get in front of somebody and then he was gonna get put on. Now not so much, they're like you'd be like, yes, saying something you doke, you're saying some do and they'd

be like, yeah, man, but ship man, you ain't. You ain't killed with old people in the song man I need who he raised you by the count. Yeah, you said you ain't sipping. You ain't popping enough pills or sipping enough. We do some ship you ain't got on enough choke chains or some ship. Something's going on. So why y'all don't get together the old school and y'all push something together and show these cats that you don't have to talk about murdering your people on the show

and you're good goddamn party and so. But but but that that that's happening all around us. It's just that the people like us who talk that ship that's safe, why y'all won't do it? You know, we need to come out and do it. So they like, but we're not buying the records they just talked. They weren't by the records, and they're not going to the concerts. So it's not even sustainable for the artists to go out

there and spend that money and spend that time. Because the people like us, we talk a lot of ships our generation, we always talking ship, but we don'ta back it up. Our ask is we're gonna we we get ready to listen to me. We're gonna going there, put us off from them down. C D. Stick that ship in the car. You're gonna be looking for somewhere to play the damn CD. You you gotta you got a CD player in your car? You okay, come on, come on, come on, you know, because they already think they got

the PST music. They don't think any better music can ever be made again. So we already got that music, and they're not buying records, they're not buying the screen. Yeah, a few people do it, but it's not enough people that's doing it to make it feasible or eating for practical, for artists to going there and spend that kind of time and money and resources. It's it's not there. It's too big of a risk, right, It's too big of a risk. So that's why a lot of artists just

gon't do it. For me, I'm at a I'm at a stage in my life where time is everything to me. I have to it. I look at everything that I do based on quality. Okay, I got this so much time and a back. I'm gonna spend this much time throwing into my businesses. I'm gonna spend this much time sleeping.

I'm gonna spend this much time if I if I get a break, I'm gonna shoot over here and gonna see my aunt at the conversacing home, or sit on the porch with my brothers and drink have a drink or something, or you know, I'm a hang out with this this woman, you know, for a moment or whatever, and then I'm back at it. It was like if if I'm, if I'm and when it comes it's like like doing things that costs me to invest money. In my mind, I'm like, how is this money gonna come

back to me? If I go fit me out there for it to be worth my time, I got the at least double upon it. I gotta leave it for they to be worth my time. So I'm I'm not doing it like that, like I gotta get it back, Like how I'm gonna get this money back, any money that I put out, any money I put out. I'm looking at how do I get this money back? You know, if I get on the tree, if I get on the plane and I go to l level for ten

days and I spent fifteen twenty racks. I gotta I gotta know while I mean I'm there, that I got you know, uh thirty or farty rack coming in while I'm out there. I'm not gonna just I'm not going backwards brough, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the backwards days is over with long Well, man, we appreciate your big dog and we definitely gonna have you on here again, man, because you are so first issues. I follow you on

social media. Man, I'm a big fan and I saw maybe and a lot of people don't know will you was on this podcast stuff early? Right right? You use on the podcast thing early? You know what the trip part about it? And I'm gonna say this, this is important for people to hear. When I first got on the podcast and the podcast space was ninety of what was was twenty uh seventeen, I think seen and no other artists who had names like who was branded was

on doing in that space? Right? And when I got into that were the detractors, the haters, the ones who don't really want to see you win. They were making us slot comments like yeah, how you go for me? And ghetto boys to do who drew and fun of it, right, But I saw a vision. I was like, this is the future, Like this ship right here, this ship is the future. And I was like, I'm for the jumping this ship right now. So I had to put my heart line his own and do it just like this here.

And I'm starting come around at boom boom boom. You know. Uh So I was like building it at that time, and I'm seeing it growing. And then I get to a point where I get it to six figures a month. And now a little bit later, okay, you got the pandemic hit. Then all of a sudden, artists, ball playing, a lot of people that make spotty income started getting into that space. But I already had like a three or four year jump on it. I was already here.

So now now it's cool to your YouTube. It's cool to have a YouTube channel, you know, it's cool to be in the podcast space. That's cool ship now. But when I first started doing it, you know, you had some people that try to attach a stigma to it, right, But I've always been the kind of dude I've been. I've never been afraid to diversify. I've never been afraid to invent myself and so, uh, you know when I make these moves, I just look at it like I'm

always like trying to play long ball? What's the long ball? Like? How do I how do how do how do I make this thing work long term? And and and keep it going? So when you when you when you're trying to do something, especially anybody that is doing something right now, trying to get something going. You got something going and it's popping, and all of a sudden, these sucker Hayden fun Boys come out of nowhere trying to attack you. They're attacking you out of jealousy. They won't your spot.

It's like it's that always staying like lines don't really pay a lot of attention, you know, right, like the kittens right there, fucking kitten. You know, the lion is moving forward. We don't even think about these kittens behind us, But if they get close enough, I will by the by the patch of meat at your ass, you're closing. But a lot of these casts, but they know that and they try to They use the Internet like the

Internet is like like like the new phone. Right, the Internet is like remember back in the back in the day on the phone. Somebody want to talk ship they call. Y'all know, I'm gonna kick your ass. You don't know this up is but he won't. But he won't. He won't. You We meet man's ups up and you you felt around fall asleep waiting on this spool, you know. But that's how the internet is. Man. Whole bunch of buster is a bunch of suppers who stay things that they

would never say to a man's face. But but if you're gonna be in this space, you gotta put your blinders on and then and get what you want, what you gotta get out of Yeah, the show, because you man predate everybody. Man. And again, we appreciate having you on here, big dog. Absolutely, I appreciate you, man. I appreciate what y'all doing with this game's chronical. I mean when y'all first started doing it, you know Dangs was

when he was doing it great on the regular. I remember when the first started popping off, and uh, I was like, yeah, they got something like that, they got something like that, yeah, man, And what to come into the games chachronical? I came in U what about h last year? I started in Yeah here and it was crazy. Is this this is how that happened. I'll tell you. When you had a guy, you know, we had another personnel, remember that has some issues, right, And um, I was

talking to eight earlier. You know he came on the show and I would actually talked to James. I said, man, it would be kind of tight. And I'm gonna tell you what James said. I said, James, what do you think about having eight on here? James let me like this?

He said, he was cool. I gotta think on it, though, gonna be on no gag baby ship because I'm positive I don't want no gang bangers to I didn't like that because at that point then he had no conversations, right, and so I knew I was only something though, right because me and was talking about it in the pandemic should happen, then this cat that I knew it was going to carry his ass wand up tearing this as

I'm like you will you think like me? I think ahead of time when somebody go do something, because they tell you what they're about to do all the time without saying the word. You just gotta look at him. So I said, man, this might be about the time to activate their point with ay. So I talked to James about and James said, yeah, you know he was with it right. You want to see how I go. And I'm gonna tell you. We was talking to Charlotte Magne,

Charlotte Magne and started. That's when everybody was calling us. Then we had every podcast networking was calling us at one time. We went and took some of them bulls, some of the means with bullshit. Someone was cool, um, But when Charlotte Mane was talking, He's said, man, I just think y'all need one more dude on there, but y'all need like an artist. And I said, what artists

you think about? And I'm thinking he gonna say somebody just corny, right, He said, man, I think m c a to be cold the motherfucker on there too with y'all. And I said, I just smiled. I said I had already thought of it, you know what I mean. So it was wound up, and it wound up working another wound up being some good ship. Man. We were honestly unfortunately, really unfortunately. And one thing I always give James his problems, man, because James has been consistent from day one. Another thing

to me. It was all about the gamest chronicles. It was all once I started talking and got used to it, and I seemed the fact that it had on other people. Then I said, this is where I need to be. This is about purpose. So we had did a show with A and the came on one episode and I gravitated to his vibe. He was, okay, hey, it's cool. I didn't know him because I had this this this perception I ate men like first I thought he was

talk Okay, you own this game, bank and ship. Let's see how I go in the in the in the Uh. When we do the interview, it went well. So I told Noe, man, I don't know if I could take him. Just just just said town and then uh, I'm just I mean we black people. I said I could work for him, and I could work with anybody else, but I would work with A. You know what I'm saying. We made it happen. Ye You've right right. It's beautiful.

Stee man, y'all will do some big ship with y'all show we have the Charlotte Magne was telling me about it, man, and I said, when he first got I said, man, he's been making some moves and I told him, I said it was smart man, and man, you know you neednt thing from us, big Dog is oll. I appreciate it, and thanks for inviting me on man to talk about you know, life and uh and also give a shout out to the podcast. I appreciate you all, sure. And we also got it. On another note, bro, we got

a radio show to come on every Friday night. That's we alradio. We're in front of think five million people some ship like the Living stations across southern California. So I mean you might want to put some music out, Dog, so you got out let me ut you that's beautiful. That's beautiful. That's it. That's very important man, that y'all, that y'all you know, coming back and grabbing that space man like, and not because it's it's like it's it's it's guys that that are like us that helped build

this landscape or whatever. And you know, we really didn't know what we had, you know, we so we didn't really take advantage of some of those opportunities. So it's always good to see people come back and be able to you know, basically kind of like capture that lightning in the bottle, so to speak, and and and get some of this, uh, some of this, some of this, uh this culture that that that we help cultivate. M hm, Well,

it ain't too late. It ain't too late if we all, if we all start working together and doing what we gotta do, doing what we said we want to do. Man, we put that together. We got something. Yeah, it ain't too late for for you. Me I learned it ain't too late for none of us to really get out and do what we really want to do our passion. Yeah, absolutely help our people. So it ain't never too late for us to put our ears together and do something now.

You know what I'm saying now and is where this is when we need it the most now, right, So we together, let's do what we gotta do exactly. We ain't scared for all all listeners out there. And make sure you know we don't put the full episodes on YouTube no more, so stop asking me about it. Go to pot TV, go download the pot TV. After Lincoln's description and we out of here. Well, that concludes another

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