EP 116: No-Limit To The Hustle

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brothers Big j J and Um. You know it was a period of time man, back in the late nineties, and uh, I would say, from the late nineties on you know mid nineties kind of to the early two thousand's. Man Master P had a chokehold on rapping, a serious chokehold on rap, and it just kind of just can't you can't say it came from out of nowhere because he just kind of just crept on up. And I remember every No Limit record that you would go by.

You look on the back of the album covering, you see all these different cats you never heard of about to come with albums. You'd be like, Man, it just made you interested in knowing who these different artists. Was called Duggery Fiend and you know these dudes you never heard of me a x Mr serve On and all these different people and one of them people with somebody from Kansas City, Missouri named Big Court and we got

them live in the hot seat tonight. Yeah, what's going on? Well, backing with you, man, I'm glad to be here, bro

Man for sure. Man, we lead half you man, because I got a lot of I really want to get your perspective on a lot of different things, man, because you're one of the people that kind of like made it from rap and took advantage of all opportunities you hadn't rap and started to get into some whole other stuff that we had talked about, you know, real estate and just other different things that you know, the average

dude and thinking about that. Man when you get a record contract, man, and you know, you just think about getting them some jewelry. Right, So that was your position. Yeah, I signed with Yeah, I wouldn't like this all the time. Man. I was never secured to think about it. Bro. I signed with P right out of high school. I was you know what I'm saying. This was ninety five, So now I played basketball, right, Everybody think I was like this,

but I wasn't. You know what I I say. I didn't start I didn't pick up a wait till I was thirty. Run Sure you guys, if y'all see this brother, this brother is on swoll right, Yeah, you got like pop my arm. Yeah. You know what. The strange thing about me working out, like to be honest with you, like I was doing I was. I was really doing some ship I wasn't supposed to be doing, and and I was moving in such a way where mentally I was kind of like, I guess I could say in the

back of my mind getting sell block. Ready, you know what I'm saying like that was part of my motivation. You felt like that at the time, you know what I'm saying, because I still you know, I always was able to have the duality. I was always able to you know what I'm saying too, like I had. I was making money in music, but I was moving in the street too. And you know, sometimes when you get money and it becomes so easy, you feel like, oh, yeah, they watched me. They just let me just dig my ditch.

And I felt like it was right around the corner, you know what I mean. And so I just you know, I literally just start you know, That's why I started buying real estate. I started kind of like mentally preparing myself thinking that, you know, ship that other shoe gonna drop, you know what I mean. So, yeah, that's how that came about. So you started doing let's go back, go back into the repea for sure, how you bumping the master? Um Man? That story crazy, bro, Like, um um, you

know I'm in Kansas City. I didn't even know who p was, you know what I'm saying, Like, Uh, this dude Romeo right now used to cut my hair, um even as a kid, you know, and he used to brain like regional talent to the city and I remember him telling me, man, I'm gonna bring this dude name master P I and I was like it was master P. I don't know. I ain't never heard of that, you know what I mean? And so long story short, me and uh partner of mine, Cisco, We was part of

a group you know what I'm saying, called CCG. So we was local at the time. And I'm like sixteen fifteen, sixteen, and um, really, to be honest with you, man, I just started sending tapes out. I started looking at all the dresses on the back of the tapes. I sent ship the Ruthless Man. I used to bug this ship out of Ruthless. It was his chick up there in name Cassandra where you know she is, James, Yeah, because man, I got to know that chick. I used to call

so much, you know what I'm saying. A matter of fact, eight, I sent some ship to you and I think your attorney back then, Yeah, this is when you dropped the album where you had on the slacks and uh last man stand there. So I'm in Kansas City. You know, I grew up on all these guys, so I'm just trying to get on. We don't got no industry, ain't no Internet, ain't no information. You know what I'm saying. Strange wasn't around back then. Strange wasn't even thought of,

you know what I mean. You're talking about ninety four ninety five. So ruthless is where I wanted to go. So I used to call all the time trying to get in touch with Easy. Uh. Finally Easy got to tape and she was like, yeah, Easy like y'all tape whatever. Whatever. He died. I think it was in March something like that. So then I got back on the hunt and just bugged the ship out of p BRO. I just was calling his voicemail, just filling it up. I was on rap a lot, all them. So he the one that

went't got to tape. He liked it. He was like, man, you know, I want to funk with y'all. I want to fly you'all out. So the first record he put us on was down South Hustlers, which went gold, you know what I mean, and then ship it was on

from there. Yeah. I just got off house arrest. I was living with my father at the time because um I was in UM I had been in juvenile and you know, juvenile court, at least in Missouri, it worked kind of like family court because I didn't get uh certified, They was gonna certify me and give me what they called juvenile life and didn't keep me till I was like eighteen. I think it was eighteen or twenty one that sent me to prison. But I end up looking out.

They took me from my mind maybe live with my dad. So I had just you know, because my lawyer was like, uh, you know, he got a father, got a job. You know, he played that game, and so uh yeah, ship, you know what I mean. They got lucky. I got super lucky, super lucky bro beagon. I knew a lot of people luck to the thinking about Missouri. But Missouri, yeah, it's one of the cities in the Midwest that got like a lot of old l a gags in the city. They got bloods out that they got crips out there,

and they've been doing it since the eighties. Yeah, I watched it. I literally watched it come into the city because you know, I was born in seventy six, so you figure, you know, eighty six, eight seven, eighty eight, you know, I'm a kid on my bike. You know what I'm saying, I'm just a regular kid. I ain't exposed to nothing, you know what I'm saying. Like I grew up in the hood, but I came from a

good household. You know what I'm saying. I'm an only child, so I came from a loving house, like I don't have you know what I mean. Like, but what happened is you start seeing, um, the influx of a you know, a lot of niggas from the West Coast, you know, coming to the city and that you know what I mean, They hustling, and so a lot of the niggas from my city, whoever they was copying from, that's who they

aligned themselves with. It was a lot of sixties and a lot of East Coast that came down there, and uh, my neighborhood, you know, got colonized. I guess you could say it became a crib neighborhood. Like we're tech is from technology from the fifties. A lot of brams came, you know what I'm saying, to his section. So all the niggas that was getting their work from them became bloods, you know what I'm saying. So that's kind of high. I watched it, you know what I mean. And so

now the older niggas, that's that's getting money. You know, I'm having to deal with their little brothers because their little brothers trying to emulate them, you know what I'm saying. So now my hood, So what happens is I start to become um sucked into it, you know what I mean, just because the environment starts to become hostile. I was never like active, you know, but because you grow up there, you get sucked in, you know what I mean. So

I'm with the homies ship. A couple of my homies might be fighting on crip or whatever, but I'm just fighting because they're my friends. But it don't look like that, you know what I'm saying. When it's like that, guilty, you know, like you you fighting with them niggers, then you from they set. You come from a good home. I did. You didn't have to do that. I didn't, but didn't you had to go outside that I had to go outside the environment. Yeah, that's what I want

people to understand. Yeah, you had outside took over. My daddy can't protect you, you know what I'm saying. So when I'm going to the park to play basketball, play football, and just in the environment I got. I gotta you know, I have to maintain out there. You know. Now my mother was loving, but you know, my mother used to tell me, I'm raising no pussies, So you know, I still had to you know. She she made me line it up a few times, you know what I'm saying.

So she wasn't having that. But I literally watched our city, you know, and it got bad probably about the early nineties, you know what I'm saying. It really took off down there. Know, yeah, it was off down there. There was a lot of money. You know, everybody was getting it back then, you know. You know, shouted to my boy, you know, money Green, Snug know some cats out there. You know, Rodney money Green was on the on the red side. He read side, Yeah, Snug,

he was over there with taking them from the cats. Yeah, that was all. Yeah. They they real dudes, you know what I'm saying that they're great dudes. And uh Rodney. Rodney was a hustler. He didn't you know what I'm saying. He wasn't with that, but he was getting money a long time. Yeah, Rodney was getting Kansas City, Rodney money Green Yeah, don't need money yeah Roney Rodney, Yeah yeah,

I just saying Rodney probably about a year ago. Um, I was looking at a hot matter of fact, because he was doing he does real estate as well, and we was both being on the same house. It was like three hundred something housand. He was trying to get it, I think, just to do something with it or whatever. Yeah, we get them from your statement, all this magnificent stuff that you're doing, but we're staying back. We had to stay in the gutter for it just a little bit longer.

Know what I means. I want to take it up for show. So you and your crime man, you're sending you know what, man, that's funny. We'd be used to send tapes are demos to record company addresses on the back and ship you know what I mean, trying to get some money. But so you plugged up with Pete. Your whole life changed after that? Like what happened next? Like,

um no, not really, not like that. Um well, so my my situation with Pete was unique, bro, because like I signed with Pete, we did the Downs House Hustlers. I was, like I said, I was a part of a duo. So me and P we we established the relationship before we actually got to Oakland. I've been talking to him for months. My partner had never talked to him. So they was kind of like, you know what I'm saying,

strangers when we met for the first time. Uh, him and my partner really didn't They didn't like each other, you know what I mean. And so we had a manager at the time who he didn't know Ship, but he knew more than us. He was a little older than us, and so my partner kind of, you know, gravitated towards the manager. I really didn't like him either, you know what I'm saying. I gravitated towards peace. So there was this kind of you know what I'm saying, Yeah,

you know what I'm saying. So P he literally came and got me one day. It was like, Bro checked us out. I funk with you, but I don't like the mother niggers, So, uh, you know what I'm saying, What you wanta do? What you gotta understand. You know, I come from a game mentality too, So I was like, with damn big Bro, respectfully, you know, uh, Ship, you gotta take both of us you know, I came out here with him, so I'm gonna leave with him, you know what I mean. And so that's what it was.

You know, I end up going back to Kansas City with my partner, you know what I'm saying. But me and Pete always kept a relationship. So what he did that was solid is I created a label and I started putting out into Pendent records. What he did he used his influence to basically, you know I say influence, you know what I'm saying, to basically make like the distributors Southwest City Hall. You know all that ship select though to pay me upfront for whatever I got pressed up.

So if I got fifty thousand units pressed up, which I did, they paid me seven dollars up front, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like eighteen nineteen, that's right there, exactly exactly. So I'm getting three four hundred thousand dollars, you know what I'm saying off for record. That's why I was putting them out so much, you know what I'm saying. And I mean that ship came back to bite me because nobody explained taxes and ship

to me. But you know what I'm saying, I'm thinking all that ship mine, you know, but you published at the time. Yeah, he was up until probably the early two thousand's, you know what I'm saying. He kind of, you know, started wanting to go in a different direction in life, and you know, and then I kept it moving as a solo artist, you know. But me and pe all ways was like brothers, you know what I'm saying. So so my journey was different, you know what I'm saying.

With No Limit, even though I was always synonymous with No Limit, but I just didn't. I never technically put a record. I don't know, but it was a whole bunch of people. You ain't the only one that didn't put a bricket off. But I know this, p always missed what you want to business said. I thought she was an executive over there. The show exactly met a

lot of other ship you know what I'm saying. Like music, It was just like he'd be like court Man, go you know what I'm saying, You don't need to do all that, Go and go get your money over there, you know what I mean. It was it just worked and I was always kind of you know what i mean, my own boss and and autonomous like that. You know what I'm saying. I kind of moved to the beat of my own drum even way back then, you know. Now,

don't get me wrong, he always was big bro. I deferred to him, you know, like a big homie, like o G like a mogul. But I always had my own ship, you know what I mean? And I think that's why our relationship was always what it what it's been. So he didn't know bad dude, who p not at all? You heard something different. But what a lot of people say he did, He didn't did she did? He didn't give me what he without deserved like that. But you hear that with everybody, don't hear that? You know what?

This is the thing about that bro. I speak on that a little bit, and I mean, listen, I can't speak for nobody because everybody had their own experience, but I kind of know, you know how he got down technically, if you think about it, what he would do is man, he would he would give you lumps. Okay, say let's just be one hunter. A lot of the rappers that came on No Limit, the brand No Limit was selling

that ship. These people didn't have track records. They weren't someone wasn't even real artists necessarily, They just nigged in the hood to wrap. He's like, okay, I know you're nigging want rap. Okay, come on, because no limit. The brand is hot right now. We put that tank on anything, it's gonna sell, you know what I mean. So you would nigga. You ain't never put a demo together. You're just wrapping in the hood. So he takes you and say, all right here, i'mna give you five hundred thousand, buy

you a half million dollar house. You know I'm saying, set you up with a few cars. You okay, you're good. You know what I'm saying. You can get out there and get your show money. Go to charge niggas for versus all that ship. Right, So he may be spent, say a meal meal five on you. You know what I'm saying. Say your album go gold. You do the numbers, you know what I'm saying. So your album go gold? What's that? Maybe three point five million or so? It

was generated, But you know how to recoup. You talk about the recoup ship. So he was nothing. That's what I'm saying. You have to be you have to know how to First of all, you're dumb as fuck. If you get a half a million dollars and go by half a million dollar house, don't go do that ship because you're not going to recoup anything. But eight, but think about no, he gave that to them, Okay, and they should know. I don't want that ship because you give me a half a million dollar house. I gotta

pay the mortgage on this motherfucker. I gotta pay the taxes on the property. Okay to do it, So you ain't never getting no rule to yet. Yeah, right, it could go like that, But then but then think about it. Eight opposed to him giving you know what I'm saying seven, you know, say one cent, you know, fifty cents? You see what I'm saying, Because if he paid your your album do five hundred thousand and he giving you fifty cents, he was pretty much doing non traditional deals. But but

but no, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's do the numbers. Though. If he give you fifty cent a record, and you go go, what is what is what is he supposed to get you? What is the math on that? What's at two hundred fifty thousand? That's two hundred fifty thousand. So if he didn't basically invested a million dollars in you, he paid you, you see what I'm saying, more than what you would have got if he said, you know what I'm gonna do? You like the white Man, do you?

You know what I'm saying, Here you go. You're gonna get your your YOURR seven points. You know what I'm saying. And here you go. And then you wait for this money to come in and wait for us to recouping all that ship. So you see it, it's still not a good deal man, because at the end of the day, Yeah, you gotta how are you gonna pay for that ship? You're not gonna be that rapid nigga forever? You're not getting them shows. You're not. You already seeing you're not talented.

You're not talented. So okay, you take the house. You take that. So you're going so you gotta remain the hustler, right because you got a million dollar you got a half a million dollar house. You got two cards in your driveway total than a half a million. Now you got a million dollar tack. Now you're gonna how am I supposed to maintain this ship? When I can't get a fucking show. No, that's what you do. Well, you

hot to get your ass out on tour. You most of them niggas was not hot, and you know, but this is no they hot if they got a gold record. You know what I'm saying. If you got a gold record, there's somebody somewhere buying your ship, and it's niggas. It will give you when we know, we know the game. A lot of that ship is not selling. A lot of that ship was being bought by their own companies. You said, a lot of that ship, like you said,

the name was selling that ship. A lot of those artists, like I said, I was gonna sign a no limit okay, l A lot of those artists, like you said, the name was selling them. And at a time when the name was done, what had happened to a lot of artists on the limit for sure? Okay, So now I'm stuck with a million dollar fucking house paid for it.

You can, but ain't it different? If if it would be different if m c A signed with no limit, and just think what he would have did up front with you because you m c A. But like you said, in the long run, that house is gonna be sold, the cars is gonna be sold. But then eight but though playing Devil's advocate, though bro, if he had did a traditional deal, left because if you were smart enough, we wouldn't take a traditional deal. But some artists as

but some artists as the beginning artists. You gotta take about it. Like I said, you gotta nigga right off the street. What kind of leverage do we have? Really? Nothing exactly, sound like he was unfair. No, it was ultimately what I'm saying. Ultimately, what I'm saying is no, I mean, listen, I can't speak for everybody, but pe is a given dude, like he gave freely, you know what I'm saying. And actually it's a lot of times where I would tell him, nigga, I wouldn't do that.

You know what I'm saying. I think you're being too nice, you know what I mean. But you know, but you can't please everybody in this business. And the thing he was like, he said that when you gotta do that, ain't really talented that don't know the business? Oh he know is he got this house and these two cars. In his mind he thinks he really don't did some ship but but that it could have been at the beginning responsibility people going the hood. Oh you wrapped? Come

on now, somebody in the hood. So dog, you gotta think just like like with with Puffy, right, just like with Diddy and I think rest in Peace to was a black ribe that just passed away. You know, people was like, he's I mean, no disrespect, but dude is grown. So just because he worked for Puffy and was signed a Puffy twenty five years ago, he's still supposed to be responsible for him. You know what I'm saying, Like, this is a grown ass man. You know what I'm saying.

So at some point where it's a kind of building the internet. Man, don't nothing make sense on the internet. But that's what I'm saying. But I'm kind of saying even to eight point though, you know what I'm saying, Like if a nigga you you know what I'm saying. You know, it's like in the hood, if a nigga throw you a couple, you know what I'm saying, Whatever whatever and tell you okay, wrong with the ball. You ain't even gotta pay me nothing back, Like you know

what I'm saying. So now you fumble the rock. You know, when you fall on your ass. Oh so it's his fault, you know what I'm saying that, But that's how like you said, we're talking about people, man, that don't have no place in the music business. Sometimes they just don't got no places. That's what you're talking about. Them people will always be even though they got more than what they were supposed to get tech they got a shot,

you know what I'm saying. Because it was some people that came off with no limits, that had pretty cool careers. You know a lot of vival artists that came from John to say that's death from some There was a lot of them. And I don't say people. I'm gonna say us on that bro that shouldn't have been in the music business. But we wentn't on the music part of it. We was on the other end of it. Oh No, I wasn't talking about that. Um, I wasn't talking about I'm talking about the person that's a rapper.

It wasn't shouldn't have you over there trying to make rap records, you know what I'm saying. That's the whole different thing. You know, when you get put somebody in the rama being an artist that's different executive. You can show somebody how to be executive. You can get a homie and tell him how to do this. But when you take that same homie can turn them into artists. Now, man your wraps and he messed around to get off with it. That's a whole different list scenario right there.

They can kind of get, you know what I'm saying concluded a little bit because they don't understand it. But you can't take I wouldn't talking about that things too. See the thing about me, Bro is like I don't know, Bro, the way I was raised like accountability. You know what I'm saying. I don't never make excuses for ship that that happened good, you know what I'm saying, Like I if somebody give me an opportunity, you know what I mean, it's up to me to educate myself and to fill

that opportunity. And if we can talk about opportunities, let's go into that. So you meet Pete Man. Y'all got this um chemistreet shown built up man, and I assumed through your relationship with him, you start making the gang in connections. What was the first thing that when when the real estate thing was the first thing you went into. M M. Yeah, real estate again, going back to that. You know what I'm saying, uh man, still having a you know what I'm saying, A footing the street, you

know what I mean. I started buying real estate just because I started seeing a lot of the old heads in my that was getting money in my city. They was doing that. They was buying houses and fixing them up. So I thought in my mind, like, Okay, if I buy a house and I fixed it up, you know what I'm saying, if I go to jail, then it could be something, you know, I could leverage to get out of something, you know what I mean. So that's why that's I bought my first house when I was nineteen,

you know what I mean? And uh yeah, you know what I noticed back in the Midwest, it's easier to get a house dollars. That's what I did my first house. I paid one thousand for it. I put like another fifteen into it. This is what I thought, right because I mean, you know, I'm past that point in my life, but I was weed. I was moving big weed back down going to pass so but that's a whole another story. But so I bought a house I paid twenty one thou for put another fifteen into it, you know what

I mean. And I was standing outside the house thinking to myself, like, damn, I'm gonna get my money back, you know what I mean. Like, and I'm like, ship, if I if I because I'm renting it for like six hundred a month because that's the cost of living there, you know what I mean. And I'm like, damn, I'm gonna be all fucking year, you know, years get my money. And then it dinned on me like, oh, this ship

like weed. You don't make a lot of money, y'all of it, but its volume, you know, because that's what I understood at the time. So I was like, shoot, I need to get tentities, you know. So they end of like get tentities. Now I got by six seven thousand coming in a month, you know what I mean. I knew nothing about equity. I didn't know no type of language of real estate and no ship. I just knew by this cost. I didn't know none of that, right appraisal, what the fund is that, you know what

I mean. So, um, by the time I hit twenty one, I had like twelve properties, you know what I mean. And I was just chasing that monthly ring, you know, he trying to get that ship and trying to hurry up before this looming jail thing I thought was coming, you know. And uh I remember my uh my brother had introduced me to this lady at a UM at a credit union down there, and she was just impressed by me. I didn't understand why. You know. She was like,

so you got that many properties freeing clear. I'm like, yeah, you know what I mean. But when you get money like that, it's like, I ain't mean. And she was like, you know how much equity you got? I was like, I don't even know what that is, you know what

I'm saying. And so anyway, she showed me how to basically leverage, you know what, I had my portfolio, and probably in about a couple of months she had got me like a seven hundred thousand not a line of credit over that ship, which means I had access to seven hundred thousand or do whatever I wanted to do. I'm like, you know what I'm saying. And then I'm getting money from the records. I'm getting money, you know what I'm saying. So I was I was moving back then,

you know what I mean. And and that's what opened my my mind to start thinking outside the box on a lot of ship, you know what I'm saying. And then I started doing it in Atlanta. I had a business in Atlanta too, So yeah, I started really um spread my wings, you know what I'm saying. Entrepreneurial, you know. Wise, So you kind of started gravitating more towards that in

the music as when I was started doing the music. Yeah, I was still doing the music that I was doing everything because you gotta think, that's what Pe model for me, you know, to have these multiple revenue streams. You know, That's the thing I learned from Pete was work ethic, you know what I'm saying. Like he never just had one thing. Think about it. When no limit was at his peak, he had toys, he had choose, he had speakers, he had all kinds of ship, you know what I'm saying.

So that's that's what was modeled for me. So that's what I you know, that's what I emulated in my own way. You know. So I had the records, I had, uh, I had a business in Atlanta, had real estate in Atlanta. I had the properties and again I'm like one, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so you just kept the party. You just kept the party going with the real estate then and then eventually started getting to succeed. This is my whole thing with real estate, right, it's a slow ground.

Like you said, at first, you get a house, you know what I'm saying, charging um thousand dollars rent, your mortgage might be nine fifty a month or whatever like that here. Yeah, but no not you can't get no show like like like this is not a cash flow type state because it's so expensive. So that's what I was saying. In California, it is hard. So I'm just telling the listeners out there, everybody and not gonna have

the same success the Midwest. Different ship. Yeah, yeah, you gotta do it in the South and Middlewest because you can go you can go to like I'll take you some ship. Now. You can get a house for five thousand dollars. Yeah, you had to put a lot of ship into it. It makes it be a land with

a foundation on it. Because just the thing still when I so when I did that, I moved out here when I was twenty three, you know what I'm saying, And I moved to Brentwood, you know what I mean, right down Barrington and Sunset, and it was a culture shock for me, you know what I mean, because I'm like the rent over there. I was paying like four grand a month for a two bed room, you know

what i mean. I'm like the fun Like I just came from a townhouse, you know what I'm saying, with three floors and six bedrooms and ship and I was paying fifteen hundred dollars in Kansas Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. But it was a trip because when I went to go buy my first house, I was looking at Brentwood and I ain't gonna lie. I couldn't afford it, you know what I'm saying. That ship in Brentwood was like

Fox five million for hair down. So I end up moving to a Sino and I tripped on that because the first house I bought in a SnO was like a million, you know what I mean. And I was like, fuck, like ship, twenty of my properties in Kansas City is this one house, you know what I mean. So it's like the cost of living I had to adjust to, you know what I'm saying coming out here. And then that's when I've seen it. I can't do that real estate ship out here. Out here, this is a flipping city,

you know what I mean. You just by low, get a good deal and then flip that ship. Yeah, that's what I was going back to. I said, Man, it's a little bit easier, you know what I'm saying. The Mother's states. This ship is so expensive, super expensive out here, bro, you know. And then that's when I started getting into producing movies and ship like that. Then I started, you know what I mean, using my money to do that

over show. So you were so you jumped allay in the movie game with some of the d s. The first movie I did, I spent like three hundred thousand on my own money. It was a movie I did with me and Cat Williams and Lawrence Hill and Jacobs called Young American Gangsters, and I, uh, that was just some ship I just tried. I moved out here and I started like auditioning for ship, you know what I mean. I started doing a bunch of independent movies and just kind of learning what they do and how they do

what they do and asking questions and ship. And then once I started learning more, I was like, Ship, I can do this ship I got the money to do this ship, you just put up your own three stacks. Man. Listen, dog, I'm young, you know what I'm saying. Dumb. I didn't even have an exit strategy, you know what I'm saying. I just was like, funking, I'm gonna do it. How did that work out? It worked out barely. So I end up my co producer Ken that came with me. He took me to Cans to France, to the peace

to the Cans Film Festival. So I flew over there to get distribution for my movie. And I got distribution with a company literally around the corner from my house. And that's crazy, some niggers, it's around the corner from you. Yeah. I got sucked on that movie too, because you know, I was you know, I thought like a drug dealer, you know what I'm saying. So they gave me a little bit over what I spent on it, and I'm thinking, Okay, I'm gonna go do another one. You know what I'm saying.

Many people made three five me not about that movie, you know what I'm saying. But that's the thing, man, I learned. That's why you got to educate yourself to what you're doing. And I was chasing money because I had a you know, drug dealer mentality. But that's what I learned, like, you gotta do ship that you love and ship that you that you you know, move with purpose, you know what I'm saying, because anytime you chase some money,

you're gonna fail at the ship. You know, chasing money only applies in the street because that's all it is. But when you start wanting to build things and get into things, you gotta really love what you're doing because you're gonna put in the time to master it and it'll be successful. So it was kind of a failure, but it was but at the same time, it was a lesson, you know. So you got your money, you got your money back. They could have been been a

lot of worse. You could have not got your breath back. I wouldn't have been tripping. That's that's that. But that's that admitting I was getting it like that. I wasn't even tripping. That three hundred wasn't nothing at the time, you know what I'm saying. So I was just like because I was literally in my living room watching myself, like, you know, I'm feeling myself like, get me a cat on it. Then it donned on me, like, boy, how are you gonna get your money out of this? I

had no idea, you know what I'm saying. None. And you know that's why you gotta study what it is you're trying to do yourself, so you know you made the mistakes that you know, what was the first move you make out made outside of the real estate that was like pretty much that that home run. He was like, Okay, I get it. Now this is with cragging. Man, that's a good question. Still, Um, I don't know that I

necessarily had one. To be very honest, I think I just start knowing how to move different and more efficient with what I was doing, you know what I'm saying, Like, um, I mean, I made money, money come and go. But I think, yeah, it's just learning how to I always say, you live life long enough here to teach you how

to live, you know what I'm saying. So I think it's just learning and paying attention to the lessons and the failures that I had, you know what I'm saying, and doing better, just doing you know what I mean. You know, me and James were talking about that earlier, and I was telling him. I said, man, um, whenever I don't hear the I would hear the lick on somebody and get that money. It seemed like that money would just go like fast, like it was almost like

like disappear in your pockets. Kind yeah, for sure, because it don't have no value. But if I went to work for my uncle or something that he built, I was back then if I want to work for him in the summer for a week to get them hundred dollars for them school clothes or whatever, it seemed like I held only that money, I wouldn't. I might not buy them Leavis. I man, I can't get in a T shirt. I gotta you know, we gotta go to k Mark. Yeah, you appreciate you know what I'm saying.

You appreciate it a little bit more. And I think it's the same thing like you said you had the drug deal mentality. You just you suggest hitting them. But you know what, I worked hard for that ship. I don't know who said that the hustling was easy, because it wasn't, and not to not how I was doing it. You know, it was a lot of logistics that ship, and headache and stress that went with it, you know what I mean. So it wasn't easy by any you know.

And then again I had other businesses that I was running, even with the real estates I created, um just about default. I had created a property management company because I had all those properties, and because I had moved to l A and you know, I would meet different investors that also had properties in my city and they would ask me like, man, you gotta air condition? Due, Man, you got a plumber, you know. So it dawned on me like, oh, Ship,

I'm from there, so I have a network there. So you know, I got a couple of chicks, and I created a property management company, which you know, that company even now to this day, you know, we managed like fifteen million dollars worth the assets. And that was just me on some hustle. Ship. I just seen an opportunity like, oh, Ship, you ain't got air condition, dude, Oh you don't either. How many properties you got? You got forty? You don't

worry about it. I got air condition, do Yeah. We're gonna outlined it first, like yeah, man, I got a whole company. We got people that have handled that for you. So at some point I had to structure correctly but you know it's just you know, like Pepe would always say, Man, to start a good business, you know, you find a problem, you know what I'm saying, and then you present the solution. So you know that was just by chance, you know.

So that's another thing that I had got into. But man is just paying attention to to the to the opportunity, man and not being scared to try some ship, you know what I mean, Like I tried. I ain't never been scared to put up my own money or try something or fail, you know what I mean. That's just part of the process. You gotta be willing to take You gotta be willing to take risk, and you would do man pretty much. They come from the same environment. There's a lot of us, you know. So it could

have went either way. Yeah for sure. You know it could have went either way because Kansas City is a mother do the city got some going on out there? Yeah, Bro, I wasn't that good. I mean, I don't take the credit like that, you know what I'm saying. I had a lot of people praying for me to be honest with you. You know, I just I wasn't that you know what I'm saying, Like just super smart and just super you know what I mean. I mean, I did

everything I could to try to make it. But you know, there's a lot of people praying for me, you know what I'm saying, honestly. And then too, you know, my old lady man, you know that I think having a good woman in your in your corner, you know what I'm saying, and keeps you grounded and kind of balances you off status. That had a lot to do with it too, you know what I mean, because she you know, you know, I had kids early, you know, like I said, my daughter, I had my daughter my six team, you

know what I mean. So I kind of had to step up to the plate early in life. You know. I went to jail at fifteen. Then I got a child at six team. So while I'm doing all of that, even with pe in real estate, I got a whole fucking family, you know what I'm saying. So you had to make some Yeah, and behind closed doors, I'm working

on being a man, you know what I'm saying. I may have seen poise than all of that ship, but behind closed doors, and I'm trying to figure it out because I didn't grow up with my father the state made me go live with my father. I had had a relationship with him really up to that point. So we like two niggas just living in the house. You know what I'm saying, When when did you figure out you was a man? Because I tell everybody I didn't figure out I was a man, Jill. I was in

my fifties. For the chef. I'm gonna tell you, I know exactly, James, that's a good question. I tell you exactly when I knew I had moved to l A. I had went back to Kansas City one time. I was with my brother, who does really estate. He the one that actually kind of taught me and my job. My only child is my half brother. I didn't meet him till I was like fifteen sixteen. So now he is square dude, you know what I mean. I was on his porch and one of his properties and somebody

broke into it. He was passing his cards out to the neighbors, and so, uh, you square dude. He was just like, Hey, if y'all see somebody mess with the property, called the police and call me the dude. So as a dude next door or some young niggas, this nigga. I'm on the porch literally like, man, I'm thinking to myself, Man, my brother needs to hurry up. I gotta go. Nigga next door literally looks at me and says, Nigga, what the funk you looking at? I looked over my shoulder,

like who you're talking to? He was like, Niggy, y'all think somebody broken your ship and they ain't nobody. He just started tripping, So you know, I got my thing on me, you know what I mean. So I hop off the porch and I gonna walk up on him. I said, little nigga, who the fuck you talking to? You know? And he was like, no, I'm just saying y'all woo woo woo. So at that moment, I said, listen, bro, you know, I said, man, my brother owns a h

insurance company, like he's not tripping like that. And I said, and do you hear your mama right here? Your family right here, like you don't know what I'm on. And I'm saying that to say I started, I start kind of chastising him respectfully, and I didn't respond how I would have responded years earlier, because I didn't care that if he thought I was a bit ass nigga. Whole

ass nigga. I didn't even care about that because so after I told him, I raised up my shirt and said, Bro, you're not even doing it right, like you're trying to be tough and shit, like you don't even know who you're talking to. I raised up my shirt and showed him, you know, like nigga, you you out here just being tough, you know what I mean? And I told him, I said, dog, you know the cemetery full of tough niggas. You know what I'm saying. The penitentiary full of tough niggas too.

They had to show them niggas what time it was, so it's a lose lose situation. But he acted like he had never been talked to like that before. He apologized, gave me, you know, Dapa sit man my bad behind me. Boy, you know how he is out here. So when I walked away from that situation, I said, damn, I said, I finally grew up. I finally grew up, you know what I'm saying. Because I didn't care rather he thought

I was a whole ass nigga. I didn't care whether he thought I told him that I said, dog, if you this is what I don't care if you say I'm a bit or whatever you're gonna say about me. Dog, you know what I'm saying. I don't have no problem with you. This is just a misunderstanding, you know. And I say that I was about five six, you know what I'm saying. So I think that's when I hit adulthood right then, even though I had an old lady,

kids and all that ship. You know, my mentality, you know, ship sometimes even now, you know what I mean, you may kind of digressive, bit, you know what I'm saying with certain situations. I think I think we all don't have them nigger moments as adults, that we don't have them miltdowns and ship. The motherfucker press your button and

you start acting out when the motherfuckering ship. You know, So would you say man for because it seemed like you had a plan, right And it don't go like that for everybody, because I think for every former D boy man, they very seldom get to actually become who they are supposed to be, because I know most of them is like every drug dealer I ever knew was actually some of the best business people I don't ever

seen you know what I mean. And I ain't gonna put none of my homies, but it's an executive out that not it's killing it. And I know for Shore, he was you know what I'm saying, doing his things. Some of them make the best businessman, but a lot of them don't get that chance, the opportunity. Like you said, man, you know a lot of people. Man. I think when people go when they're about to get cracked, I think they know. My brother in law was about to get cracked.

He knew, we thought he is losing his mind. You know. I think everybody knows, so you might not have been going crazy, you know what I think. Man, It was somebody telling on me at the point, because when I would come back from Kansas City, UM, or really from anywhere in the Midwest. When I would come through l a x Dog, the people would always jam me up, you know what I'm saying. They called me with money a few times, you know, and I would be like, damn,

I didn't know what I'm coming through. That I start trying different airlines and ship and I'm not talking I'm talking about when I'm leaving l a X Plain clothes motherfuckers start coming up to me like you know how much you know, how much money do you have on you? You know what I mean. I'm like, when that ship start, you know, so you you see little signs like that, and I don't want to make it seem like I

was on something. You know, I wasn't, you know, Freeway Ricky Ross and no ship like that, you know what I mean. I was a weed, dude. I didn't funk with none of that other ship, right. I learned that early on because you know, because of them crack laws and ship you know what I'm saying, And I start seeing niggas you know, getting some ship or ounce, you

know what I'm saying. That's what made a lot of niggers though, go to the weed game stead of the d game, you mean, because man, the motherfucking laws back then wasn't no Still still motherfucker's was getting cracked for that weed though. Yeah, I was operating in federal guidelines with the weed because I'm you know, I'm getting for five hundred pounds, you know what I'm saying. But even still it was still different. It's Reggie ship, this their

headaches ship right right right? That stressed stress. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But but it was going back then, back in them days, and that's all you had in the mid West, man. No, yeah, that's all they had. Yeah, you know this is before me, this is you know me. It wasn't even the thing y'all had indol and yeah we we had a little time. We have orange. But you go back on tour back east, nigga, you knop off that motherfucking tour bus sticks and stones may break

your old ship. Fine cracker going off like God? Really, but going back back then, yeah, nigga pounded that ship was going for thousand dollars. I mean because what it was back then. I mean, it's old ship. But like I paid two d pass so and I come back home six fifty you know what I'm saying, six hundred just cash out. Yeah, and I ran, I ran very quietly. I was never you know, a super per seed, like I said, Man, it's just God because I was a rapper.

So people knew me as that, you know what I'm saying. So you really couldn't tell the difference. Only people I dealt with. And I'll be honest with you, and you know I don't want to like give novice and nothing like that. But I didn't deal with everybody. I didn't deal with niggas that I felt like there was on stage holder Fellers, I want to talk through our listeners

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get by. I didn't deal with like trapping, trapping tight niggas. Yeah, weed is a whole different clients, yea man, because I sold both, and I'll tell you I prefer the weed customer crack customerstomer. Yeah, you know chilling how that I'm saying stick, you know, because the weed because I lived next door for a whole bunch of people that went to Long Beach State, And so I be able to go get an ounce of red hair sets for thirty forty bucks man from Ontario, I will drive out the Ontario.

Don't get me two or three ounces of red hair sets and just come on and bag up, yeah, and be so without dude, and just made my money that way. And it was just a way easier time. When I got into the crack, ship Dog, it feels like the devil said your chest man. It's like it's a crazy ass motherfucking It's just real. It's a funked up five, you know what I mean. Crack touched my family like I'm sure it did everybody and everybody's what I'm saying. And I just didn't see. I knew niggas that was

making money in it, you know what I'm saying. And you know I do niggas doing you know, phone a halves nine eighteens, everybody like they was. The man was doing like you said, niggas was doing four and a half and nine ounces, and ship I just not doing no more, you know what. You know what I'm saying, And that should go a long way in the hood where you could buy some dating's. You know what I'm saying, get your ship together, you look, you know, getting chains

some clothes. But you know, I've seen too many niggas, man, you know, get that time and I was like, it's not worth an ounces a thousand dollars back then eight hundred dollars. And I'm like, bro, you know, ten years for a sixteen ro you know huh you know so um yeah, the weed thing, you know, that was what that was. And and I got a homeboy right now, man rat you know Chevelle Foy should he they gave

him thirty years. I actually have a documentary that I'm producing called Ghostop based on that because you know, like he got thirty years. I went to high school with him. Good dude, you know what I'm saying, Telling nobody or nothing they game thirty years for they didn't catch him with a grain of salt. And you know that's how they get us with the conspiracy loss. You know what I'm saying. You know, if enohing niggas say you did it, then you didn't. They don't got to catch you with nothing.

If if if me decided to conspire on you, say, man, I saw a kid of doping it back his car. They didn't come and pick you up. Man, thirty years of this man's life though, you know what I'm saying, they never and I read through the case and they basically convicted him on you know, they say ship, like, oh, well, through our surveillance and our wire taps, we estimate he was moving this estimated You charge the nigger with estimation, like you're supposed to put that ship on the table,

you know what I mean. So, um, you know that, you know, the rules change when you start getting in the heron and all. You know, and even now with math and all that ship, you know, the game done. Really, you know what I'm saying with technology and all that, because even I'm younger than y'all, but you know, so I'm in the nineties when I jumped off the porch, but the eighties y'all could really get it. You know what I'm saying, y'all could really get it. But man,

it's too much technology. Boy, we just talked about the one in jail now, macminister. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. Technology will catch your ass up like like a motherfucker dude. Because the thing was, I got a homeboy, that worked on I ain't gonna say what beer he worked for, but he worked homicide. And he told me, man, they cracked the case. He said, dude, here's something crazy. We cracked the case because dude, I guess a piece of damn from a piece of his skin fell off, bro

for sure, and they was able to take that. Look like, how the hell do you find a piece of skin and the shag carpet, bro, and just in there looking at and that. He said he had the perfect crime. But and find pizzas And that's just scary though, just the coldest one County jail. You know, you gotta get swabbed, definitely, that's start opinion and painion. And they started taking motherfucker's

out of their sail. Oh uh we investigating this and from years ago, yeah, oh, because you gotta get swabbed in county jail. Now now you can be out of there raping the motherfucker. Why don't they put that ship through. What you get, what you get a felony, so you become a felon here. So now they've breaking motherfucker's down with it. I've been I'm talking about five ships rape just DNA match. That's the coldest ship on the planet

because they have swabbed the nigger like it ain't ship. Yeah, I'd have been a prisoner to my own technology though, And thank god, by man, I remember what it was probably a couple of years ago, you know, I had one of the moments of uh, you know what I'm saying, you know, and I wanted to it was something happening, you know what I mean, And I was I was about to get on some bullshit. But then you get to think, and I was like, funk, I got all these rain cameras around my house and I couldn't even

think of how to delete the ship. You know what I'm saying, Like, Oh, you can't go to my house and be like nigga, you left at twelve am. You know what I mean. You get cut your house. You don't come and tell you the biggest thing, the biggest thing to get motherfucker's cut up. Now, this ship right here, right next to their phone, right make phone, dog, because this ship right here, dude, I don't care what kind of alibiut you get. Who you thinking motherfucker's think is

they turned his motherfucker off. It could plank to you right right now. One thing. No, no, no, I bet they're different on that one. Turn that motherfucker off. It ain't gonna pin. They can't tell where you I don't know, James, because now they got the ship where the camera like right now, this motherfuck probably taking pictures of me right now. You know what I'm saying, Like they got it where turn their mother upside down there clothed. They can't be

where you at, but its mother motherfucker. You gotta do his thing. Your phone on, baby, hit my phone callers number a certain amount of time and just let it just ship there. Yea, like the truth. I didn't know what you're doing to record what's what's on the this time from this time? But this is my thing, Like what I tell young guys, man, you know what saying, specially those from my city who familiar with you know the run I had back then, and you know, listen,

everybody have a good run. You got an expiration date. It just is what it is. If I still have been doing that, I'm sure at some point I'd have an issue, you know, at some point, you know, I say, man, you you know you use that ship, you use what you learned in that, you use your resource. You know what I mean. You so with a plan and with a purpose. You know. Um, I mean every good business was founded on a good crime. You know what I'm saying. When you think the health the United States? You know

what I'm saying. So even with prohibition and all that ship, you know what I mean, it's all founded on some bullshit. So I always tell guys, man, you gotta he sees your opportunity. I told a little homie of mine, you know what I'm saying. He gonna see this and know who I'm talking about. But here a little part of mine that was He wind up being on the FBI's most wanting He was on the run for five years. I literally told this nigga. I said, bro, you are

having a wonderful run. I told him this when he was getting it, getting it, getting it right. I mean this nigga would I said, you having a run way past what I was doing because his nigga ball rolls Royces and all kind of ship. So no, and he was telling me not because it man, it's weed, And said, I said, nigger, I said, the amount of me that you're doing, they get no, you you they get it. You know what I'm saying, and they end up, you know what I'm saying, catching up with him and he

told me. He was like, man, you're right, bro. He was like he was right because I was telling him. I was like, bro, you know, man, you have so much money. Now you become a prisoner of your money. You can't even do ship with it, you know what I mean. You gotta rolls Royce and your sister's name, like, you know what I mean? Like what you doing? You know what I mean? So you know that's why I try to tell these young guys, man, educate yourself, you know,

find something that you love. You know, you got guys that you know, you like cars, Okay, start flipping some cars, you know, get you a little lot, you know what I mean, whatever it is you like doing, you know what I mean? Like you know ship? Hey, you know you you was an athlete. You enjoyed football, So you're coaching, you know what I mean. So you know it's always something that you love, you know, and and you're going to succeed at it. So that's what I like. Because

me and Pete we travel. We talked to kids a lot, and that's always my message to them. Even some of the ones is older. You know they've got their mind made up. You know that that's what they're gonna do. I'm like, dog, you know what I'm saying, you could do you You probably have skills that will take you so much further. Yeah, man, So I know you gotta your next step in your evolution. You don't step in the media and you gotta podcast now. You gotta show

eats you doing now? Yeah? Yeah, for sure holding court podcast. You know what I'm saying. I did that with me and my co producer Ken. You know what I'm saying, Producer Ken. Um. You know, We've been producing a lot of content. You know, I got a TV show as well, called twelve that I produced, Um, that I created with me and act actress Jasmine Lewis. You know what I'm saying. Uh, we got a sticky fingers attached to it, you know what I mean. We got Master p in it, We

got Dion Cole in it. So really I kind of been focusing on just being a media company in general, you know what I'm saying. So the podcast is just the arm of that, you know what I mean? Um? And you know, like I tell guys, man, I'm not formally educated. I graduated high school, you know what I'm saying. So everything that I've learned up to this point has been just simply trying, you know what I mean, and felling and and you know, just learning from the missteps,

you know what I'm saying. Yeah, even with with movie production, with with music, with real estate. I didn't go to school for none of that, ship though. It's just a lot of common sense and that tenacity and that focus from you know, hustling. But so yeah, I created the Holding Court podcast man, and uh, you know, I wanted it to be a place where, you know, kind of like drink Champs, where you come and celebrate the o

g s. You know what I'm saying. Like a lot of these young niggas, they you know, they throw around the turn boss, everybody a boss boss boss. I don't think they really have a reference point at what that is, you know what I'm saying. Just because you've got some money, you know what I mean, and what you know that you know, I appreciate the motherfucker's who did it with no reference point, you know what I'm saying. When you look at you, you know, like Luther Campbell's and uh,

Tony Draper's and and Jay Frances. You know, there was no reference point at what they did, you know what I mean? Back then, niggas just want to record deal when nobody thinking, like, you know what, I can own some ship in control and they that't That's what I'm saying.

So I created the Holding Court Podcast to break on you know people, not just you know them, but just anybody that's proficient and and you know they're laying and what they're doing, and to celebrate them, you know what I mean, and document their journey because man, you know, at this point in my life, bro, I'm all about you know what I'm saying, inspiring people, you know what I mean, Like even with healthy living, like I look like this, I work out as a lifestyle, but I

also try to you know, motivate us as as black people, as Niggers in the hood that you know, to be health conscious, you know what I'm saying. You know, it's cool to look like this, but more importantly, you want to be healthy on the inside because you got you gotta protein or something protein. Yeah yeah. I got my own supplement line called True Muscle Sports, and that was something that Pete you know, we travel a lot, you

know what I mean. And Pete, you know, we would go places and people would always ask me like what do I would I take. I would run down the laundry list of ship that I take, and he was like, may need to be telling these people you take something your own. And then I was like, damn, I never thought about it. He always think about how to hustle some Yeah, business man, it's the motherfucker's who has the mentality like why give him the money when you can

do it yourself? Why promote his ship when you should be promoting your own ship. Yeah, it's the same. I mean, it's the same ship they did if they can go out and make some protein part and a lot of people do that. That's all I did. And he helped me with it. He literally found the manufacturing ship. He said, Court, let's do it. So it's the same thing that we're doing with his You know, he has his products and all of that, with the grocery store stuff. And I'm

gonna tell you I saw some master Pete rice. Yeah, he got rice, cereal, pancakes, all this ship. You know what I'm saying. So that's the hustling mock man. This nigga boy. He sell Ice toy Eskimo twice. I'm trying to tell you. Yeah. So so what I told him, I said, Pete, what we need to do is we need to create something healthy, you know what I mean.

And let me run that arm of it. Let me be the ambassador for that arm, you know, and especially because his narrative is, you know, black business, black owned. You know, you want to make a way for your people, for your partners, you know what I'm saying. So it's something we're doing together. So we have a healthy snack that we've developed that it'll be out this summer. So that and ship, like I said the Holding Court podcast, I had ship Pete and came through and done it.

Silky Shocker, Chico Brown, Um felly male h Ship bone thugs well flesh and bone, busybone Um trying to get eight excuse me, trying to get eight on that motherfucker trying to get games. You know, the sticky fingers man, Jasmine Lewis, um J Prince came through. I know you got many of your big fancy place over there. Professional and everything I was doing and everything I did it big because you know that's what I'm saying, bro, I come from that understanding of no limits. So we always

made ship look big. You always gotta make that ship look big when you do it, you know what I mean. So that's why I had my set built. You know, we got the three cameras, I got the sound ruined the whole nine, you know what I mean. So you know, but you know I'm working with you still. You know we're gonna figure some sh it out all right, for

shore man, for show man. Man. There you have it, man, And that's you know what, Man, if you got your ship together, you can pretty much accomplish anything in life and ain't no excute if you got your head on right. Yeah, this man when came from Kansas City, Missouri, selling weed though and doing this thing, and manipulated this opportunity, you know what I mean. I made a lot of mistakes, though, James. So I mean still I want to you know, I made a lot of mistakes. That's part of the process,

you know. You have to be willing to fall on your face, you know. So I just didn't get everything right, you know, And that's why I tell youngsters a lot of the times we had we as O. G. S. We have the information, not because we just did everything right. Sometimes go we fucked up a lot me so, but before you do all that, though, I just want to let me, let me have a moment to give you

your flowers though, and you as well. You know what I'm saying, because I got inspired to do my podcast because of y'all, you know what I'm saying, and watching that man and el yeah, and watching James for real, real talk. This ain't no Hollywood ship you do. You know your evolution, you know what I'm saying. From the first interview that you did, and I was like, damn, because it was like you didn't want to do the cameras. It was just like you was just like, man, listen,

y'all paying me to be here. Fuck it? What you want? What you want to know, I'm gonna tell you. But then I watched you embraced that space, you know what I'm saying, and come into your own and you just covered what you had to offer to the world, you know what saying, with your testimony and your growth. So man, salute to you. Thank you. You know what I mean. Come on, bro, I grew up on you Monday. You know what I'm saying, I feel like this is an older brother right here. You know what I mean, all

the way from Nigga. The Blue Tape, Um, I bullshit you not. We made it was a clean tape. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. We had two version. Yeah, that was a super inspirational song, you know, back then. You know what I'm saying For me that that was the first rap song that I heard that got me into music. Was Iced Tea Squeeze the trigger. But when I got that Blue tape, you know what I'm saying, that we made it, it was like it encapsulated just that that that dream exactly with a dream, because we

all had one as being young kids. We all had a dream of being something that we became at that moment, you know what I'm saying. So I used to always write raps about that ship, you know, being stuck in poverty, being stuck in the gang ship, and wondering what it would be like if a nigger had a different path.

You get me, so all you always you had to write those perspectives for because I felt like it was always somebody like myself out there getting me, even though nig It was banging and doing all that ship we all started from, you know, like nephew out there, we all started as an innocent young kid who had dreams of I don't be a police officer, fireman, I won't be a motherfucking football player or fucking whatever, and your your dream got crushed by growing up in the motherfucking

hood man, straight up. That's all we made it. Bro That that inspired me. I don't know why. It always stuck with me, you know what I'm saying, And over the years I would I would kind of go back to it, you know what I'm saying, to kind of refocus my focus with different levels of my life. You know what I'm saying exactly, you know what I mean.

Looking from it's good to see you here. You know, healthy, You ain't all funked up, you know exactly, still got your facilities, you still look like you Oh you just had a birthday and still my nigga. I love what you built with this whole thing, you know, and how you spearheading it, you know what I mean. And I appreciate you to my brother, so you know, I want to give y'all y'all exactly appreciate you brow which show you know what I got these kids with your gram?

What's your Instagram? Exactly? My Instagram is I am Big Court. You know what I'm saying that they could follow the Holding Court podcast on i G as well. You know in Facebook. I think it's official Big Quarter, Big Court Officials some ship like that. But so man, we we could have a link in the description. Man, y'all make sure y'all check the homie out. And there's another one down. We out of here s