EP 113: The Big Mike Episode

James and bixtails from the streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of My Heart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you download the I Heart Apple, subscribe to The Gangster Chronicles for my Apple users, hit the purple mica on your front screen. Subscribe to the gainst the Chronicles and leave a five star rate in the comment. Were like, welcome everyone to another episode

against the Chronicles podcast. And I'm with my homeboy today and you know, um, the homey Big James is out there handling some business right now. Um, and he'd be back on the next show. Of course, y'all keep my poy keep my boy up in prayers. Ain't nothing wrong now, so I want you all up this third. People always expect should be wrong still, but we gotta let them know, you know, like I tell people, like I tell people,

we are ordinary. Motherfucker's right, even though people see us we podcasting and then they are on records and all this ship. We got normal responsibilities. You know, my nigga James raising his grandson right now. You don't trying to show him that right path. So when when when niggas have personal ship, you know, it's just personal. He got to go take care of some ship. You never know what it is. But so don't expect that it's always something negative when the nigga might be missing in action

for the day you get me day. Uh, we can handle this, you can feel me. Hell yeah, and I'll tell you what we got. One of my probably favorite easily one of my top five of all time. My nigga to Peter Man. I'm gonna calling the Peter Man because that's Big Mike and the bad biggas don't don't pick Mike. Niggas don't know my nigga. Three to rest in Peach. You think is a sleep like a motherfucking convicts was official like a referee with a whistle. Get me, motherfucker.

I'm gonna tell you a story, big Mike. When I first heard you, Man, what kind of receiver is you talking on? Man? The head stick receiver like here, the fuzz fun like the crap off pitch and this ship with that receiver and ship with that plug out. And I'm gonna tell at, Mike, keep talking on that fucking like he really is somebody's office conversate with. I was dripping. I'm looking like I said, I had to look again.

I said, this nigg is on the first sing with my nigga grundmmad that cord on there, nigga that went from the catching the outside and around to the backyard. Hold that motherfucker on the shoulders like this the same made sure you've got that thousand foot gord when you got that, so you got down all around the house with that but like that outside. But man, the first

time I got hit to you, dog my boyfriend Tyler Texas. Man, we're playing football in the mess of state and we got a whole bunch of us niggas on the team. Louisiana niggas. So they came with a whole bunch of different music. We had the West Coach it they had to down some ship. So he had that album the Convicts, man, and y'all had a song on that motherfucker the Legal Aliens. I said, current, Damn boy, this is a ruthless as

niggas down motherfucking Texas board. So so we we were gonna go back a little bit, big Mike MANAU don't know, like whenever I say, you don't do a whole lot of interviews, man, So thank you for coming on, bro exact, thank you all for having me. For sure, we're gonna go back now. Man. So the Conflicts was your first group. That was the first time you was out on wax, right, Yeah, how did that come about? Because you're originally from Louisiana,

New Orleans, right exactly? Yeah, So tell me how did you get put it into the pholde man and the rap? A lot of folk like, how did that happen? How did that come about? Um? I was always doing music, right because my father is a musician, you know what I mean. So coming out of New Orleans, was always doing some kind of music, right, So, um, I knew

I was going to express myself musically. I just didn't then know and what farm it would be by instrumentation, you know what I mean, singing or something like that. But when I got my first win in hip hop, Um, I think the song, yeah, the song was Planet Rocket. When I heard that one, I say, now, that's what I'm gonna do, even even even I didn't even started crafting then, right, but I knew that the seed was planning.

I knew that's how I wanted to express myself musically. Right. So, Um, about the age of thirteen, man, I moved to Houston with my grandparents from New Orleans, and um, you know, to give me a better shot of better opportunity to get me out the projects. And I would come back to New Orleans for the summertime and things like that, and me and my dad would get off into the studio and we have recorded a demo three songs. Um. I went back to Houston started working for the summertime.

Um at the Olive Gordon restaurant. Yeah, man, Tony Draper there, that was my nigger. We were working there as teenagers. Yeah, he was younger. We're working at the Olive Garden together and Um, he's taking me home one night because that nigga had the will. So he taking me home one night after closing, I popped in the UM, I popped in my demo. He hit the demo. He asked it. He he asked it. He hoped the demo right and Um, so I let him hold the demo. He come back

to me UM the following week and he like misting. Man, I got a I got a homey man that worked up at rapp a Lot. He's produced. His name is John Beto. I let him hear the demo. He took demo to ARM to UM to J Prince. We called him to a J at the time. Took the timo the Jay Prince. And they want to have a meeting with us. You know what I mean because it was me and Tony Draper who was putting the money together

behind meeting in the studio. You did so, um, and that's how the initial meeting with UM with rapp a Lot had came about. So they went at the meeting, they presented me with the arm with the convict situation. Right, Um he was. They told me they had a group that just working on called the convict with mrs with three too. There's another guy that's on rapp a lot.

He passed away as well. His name is Big Mellow, but he was also a member of the group, but he happened to be locked up at the time, right, So Jay Prince, he was, man, we heard your music, we liked with you and Tony doing right. Um, if you know I'm saying you come on and help us with this complict project, then we'll turned around and kept y'all with what y'all trying to do. You feel me? And I just saw it as an opportunity. I had heard if I wrapped a lot, I knew what they

was doing and things like that. I was a fan of some of the music they was putting out already, you know what I mean. So, um, I just saw I saw it as an opportunity. So I was like, yeah, you know what I'm saying, let's do it. And that's how the complext opportunity had came about. Oh that's real dope. So so you and three two didn't really y'all, We wasn't really familiar with each other. Then put you all together because your chemistry was incredible. Yeah, once, but once

we got together though we had. We hit it off like a motherfucker. You know what I'm saying. He would come out to my hood and just hanging out, you know what I'm saying, And we behind it, and by we behind it like a motherfucker. You know. That's that's my brother. He wasn't just a group. We wasn't just members of a group together, you know what I mean. That's my brother. Man. We a lots of things together, you know. And um, that's why the chemistry had took

off like it did. But um, yeah, shout out to Mrry too, man, God Lexi, Man, he was awesome, awesome, NIKEL behind that pin um a lot of a lot of characters, you know. Um yeah, and I missed the guy a lot. Man. But yeah, yeah, we we had we had missed chemistry to start with. Yeah, that's crazy, man. You know. So Big Miller was gonna be a part of the convix. Yeah yeah, because he because he had a classic album from the South too. He had he had a classic album and she was hard. Yeah, he

had a very classic album. So so at this time, so y'all do the y'all do the convict situation, and you would kind of made your way up to the West coast at one point, didn't you yeah show that about the Convix record. I think it was out maybe I bout going on a year and UM UM by way of UM Michael Harris, HARRYO and his wife at the time, NDI Ga Harry UM that's when I got first.

That's when exactly so they had They was like, UM, you know we're starting the label with Dr Drey You Feel Me and UM called death Flow Records, right, and we think that to the dope the convicts on death Row, so UM Death High. That whole engagement had came about you Feel Me. So after they UM, you know, we get the call from UM from Jake Prince and he like listen, man, y'all in the l A. We really didn't even much know what was happening at the time though,

and UM ship thinking a very mixtape. We was in Los Angeles, you think what I'm saying, and UM got him to the studio. They come picked us up. That's the first time I met su met d O, c Um Gray, UM, who else was there? Raided. They had a big group called Image that was there. That's funny because Image first song that they ever sung They sung the hook on my album on Music to drive By on the song called use a Pitch. Yes, that's Image

who's singing that right there? I forgot that Images. I I was there at the beginning, man, I'm telling me. I was there to Let me tell you something, niggas don't know. We came up with that death Row name sitting down with Unknown and DJ Slip at a restaurant one night. Yeah, let me tell you something. Ann was getting ready to work on my record, Music to drive By.

We was at We was at Harold and Bells one night and then Nikker said, I just hooked up with Sugar them and they still to start a new label. They're trying to come up with a name for me. Fielding Slip was sitting there with Unknown and we said death Row and we named the d E F after motherfucking Champ. Remember they had them letter motherfucking Coach at the front. Yeah, black, Yeah, exactly. We started that ship because we gonna be a part of that ship, Me

and kill at CMW. We were gonna be able. We were gonna be like a group under Death Row as well. It's a lot of history behind that, but yeah, I know DJ and d J Slip had got brought on as producers because they were they was working on Your Time, Big Ship. Yeah yeah, and so working on the comic Ship and y'all law here just so you're a law here on the West Coach, y'all just at the time, just making records because r b X always talks about that.

He got a lot of love for yo. He's like man Big Mike and Bick Mike, Bick Mike the RB Man. That's my dick Man. I love well Man, Yeah yeah, you know, um, while we was staring man Ship Man, it was a good time. Man, it was it was a new definition of family to me, you know what I'm saying. I really felt that California love, you know what I mean? Um, Um, it helped me sharpen up

as an artist as well. My time there, my experience that we didn't get an opportunity to release that album on UM because I came back and I recorded the Ghetto Boys album, right, So my treachers was to come back I to record the Ghetto Boys album. But things had kind of took off when I was on that blower coaster back then. But um, shioging them, you know what I'm saying. Man, they was true throughout throughout the whole situation. Man, you know what I mean, I can't

even lie. Man. Shout out to Big Shig Man. You know what I'm saying. He looked out for me in a real way, looked out for my mama in a real way. Man. You know what I'm saying, made a move that helped changed our lives, you know what i mean. So I'm thankful for that as well. Um got a cancer to be free, Snooth, Orangey and everybody. Matter of fact, we all stayed together for a small period of time, you know what I mean. That was awesome and ship like that man and um, even though we didn't get

the chest weeks that album. Can hear the competence to us all over that crime. You didn't hear what I'm saying, you know, so, UM, you know that that was That was a good looking for us as well. Although I would, um um rather have been performing on the record, you know what I'm saying, But um it didn't come about, you know what I mean. But um, experience and um, everything that I gained from being down there, Man, it was a plus. You know what I'm saying. They sent

me back to Houston on fire. It did. Y'all heard the true when I did that ghettle for us that when I dropped that something serious, A lot of that material was formulated when I was on the West. Oh wow, you know what, you know, it's crazy, but you're seeing that brow. The album does have a real West Coast

field to it has. It has a real strong West Coast field to it, like when you came with the um, you know, with the smoking and choking, like the motherfucker Peter Man with the snooper, with the snoop when he out of you off that thing. Yeah, album, it's it's a classic album, Dog, And I want to go back

to something that you mentioned. We don't touch on that Gettle Boys album Real quick Man, especially while eight Gone, because ay, you want me to be all politically correct, I can ask the questions I really want to ask now on that Ghetto Boys album, Dog, what was going on with you and scar Face? That sounds like a competition, bro Uh, it wasn't like an over competition, right, um, But you know, naturally, right, naturally, you got two dogs on the squad. You feel me, they're gonna they're gonna

look for any motivation. You think what I'm saying, that's available right to get busy. So that's that's all what's going on. Man. If it was any kind of competition, it was brotherly competition that we both wanted to get the album out with that. That's how I looked at because I'm gonna tell you, like this dog and this, I don't want to hear you all in them comments and sending me still you're tripping. But Big I was getting up the scar face asked with some of them songs,

some of them records. You was definitely giving the business. And that's no disrespect to Scarface and scar faced thing on there. And he is one of the greatest of all time. But but you gotta put Big Mike in the same category because you was on That's what I listening to lyrics, man, You was on there giving it to him. Hey, man, I appreciate that analysis. I really, I really do shout out the star face man, because the brother is a pillar when it comes to Southern

hip hop and hippop as a whole. It was honor for me to get down on that project man. You know, um, you know, I really learned a lot doing that process. Man, shout out, which we feel man, they got UM blessed your spirit man, you know what I mean. Awesome brother, you know, UM we all had some upstick downs and things like that. We're looking at the fact, looking back at it now in hindsight, UM, everything had to happen. It had the UM play a part and our foundational history.

You think what I'm saying. So, you know, I appreciate the opportunity to get down and because that project with them guys, you know what I'm saying. Unfortunately it didn't branch off into other UM projects with all of us together, you know, but it did UM help provide a platform for me to be able to drop my solo career. And I was good, Now you did so sure, so

let me ask you this. So you know, but you being with Death Row after that that gett boys el came out to sugg them get back at you like, hey, what's up, big Mike. We're trying to get you over here. Yeah, you know, should me and shouldn't listen? Even when I went back to because of the Ghettos project, right, it was like I was still along Death Row. I was still hand me because when we were called to get

a project gotter it was released. You know the first crime of tour it was um, it was it was it was death Row and the ghetti is you think what I'm saying. And Ship I wrote on to a bus with him. You think what I'm saying. So if it was family, I still had my place out there in l A. You think what I'm saying. She was still looking out for me. I was still whenever they we had UM we traveled for like music from Pitchons

and Ship. I was always with them, So you know, like that didn't ever stop, right, Um, But I did end up recording the solo project with Rapp a lot. Deathro has started going to some changes at the time, right, and then me not being there physically in the midst, Right, I didn't really understand what was going on. So I made a business decision at the time that was best for myself and my family. What I thought. You think what I'm saying, right, and um, and and I had.

I lived with my decision and I moved forward, you know what I mean. But it was always love with me and the artists. I broke with Raide Lou warranty as corrupt you well, you know what I'm saying everybody that was that was that was out there that you know what I'm saying that I was able to become friends with the things like that, Me and Mry too,

you know everybody, you know, we we was good. You know, at times I do wish I would stay and seeing what what what it came about from that, But you know, we make our decisions that we have to live, when we have to move forward. It's all a part of our foundation history. As I said, exactly, Man, That's what I believe. Guys always ever clean and sometimes we just

just just fell with that is you know what I mean. Yeah, usually when you following guys, con is always winds up being the path of least resistance exactly exactly, even though you can't see it at the time, right and when you look back at it, if you're grown a little bit and then you can see, you know what I mean. So yeah, man, I'm I'm just gonna be good with that. Guy has been amazing in my life. Man, Hey, shout out to the father from the man because I can't

deny it. I'm so thankful bro to able to be doing what I'm doing, still doing what I'm doing at this age, I'm a father. I'm not old, but I'm you know, I'm about to be fifty, but you know, still doing what I'm doing. Defnit, the five years still turned up for it, you know. So yeah, man, I'm thankful. I ain't did nothing else professionally since the age of eighteen. So you know that orders say a lot. So you know,

shout out thanks to the blood man. Really sure, that's a that's a blessing, man, because you're doing love and I want to go bank. I want to go back a little bit. Man, did you and three to everything about doing it when he was alive, when he was here on the plant, Did y'all ever think about doing another convict album? Man? We had once I had came home from I wanted pepper to a little at the time he look and um. When I got that home, me and my brother got together. He was working on

some things. I had to get myself back. We actively made into society, you feel me and try to you know, get you know, established, were established my relationship with my children and everything. Right. So after that was done, you know what I'm saying, we got talking about the Compix situation and we actually they had got together in the studio or on a few songs, but we didn't get an opportunity to, um delve into it really deeply, you

know what I mean? And um, I wish he had a you know, before he had made his own time in mind, you know what I'm saying. But um, you know, it is what it is at this point. But if we still have um a lot of unreleased material on me too, and who knows, you know, I made slide on a couple of joints just to release him as scenes just for the the stylegio with not you know what I mean. But I would hate to try to

embark on the full help without him press you feel me? Yeah, I want to just put a bunch of songs done together without us actually being together in two ago, you know what I mean. But the Convict album is a classic. Um, it's a lesson that we was there to do come together for that when it because that when they put that when out there in the world, you know, um, you know. But yeah, I wish we would have had more time to be able to getting to the studio

and do another compics record. Yeah for sure. Let's let's talk about a little three too. A little bit because it was a minute. Man. I always look at Houston, man, I always look at the soft period right as like our sister city. Kind of like because the Houston sound at one time was really close to the l A sound.

We kind of were both steak on the phone, you know what I mean, Yeah, we were both steaking the phone, man, and you know I picked up I mean with Houston sound, and you gotta figure it was kind of like us, because I always kind of figured like them niggas is like us, man. You figured, uh, they sounds more like West Coast or not even with that sound, but they kind of struggles kind of sort of going the same

timelines as ours. That's why I always felt I connected more the Tectas rappers and shipped down South because everybody else was on different ship, but we could relate to the Even New York niggas was different than we were, you get me. But Texas niggas was like like Louisiana Texas, mrs. It was like down there was like niggas that I could relate to because my family was from Mental cifty, so anytime I was the family reused them to their niggas would be on ship. We were low riders and

hoods ships, neighborhoods and and banging. Uh, the poverty type of struggle of that type of ship. So that's why I think our new could kind of related on the same timeline. And then geographically Texas it's down south, right, but Texas is leads more towards southwest. And what I'm saying, right, and um, even though they're their neighbors and it's the closest city, Mason City to Louisiana, Um, it's still different, you know what I mean, It's still different. And you know,

music was on some gamest ship. He didn't what I said, It was on some case of ship. You know, get with southern and things like that, but we we didn't share the blood out that same thing. You think what I'm saying. So because Texas were getting we just getting mused from from the West Coast further, you know what I mean. And when I was in New Orleans, we

was getting music coming out of New York further. And then what I'm saying, but you know, shout out to both places, man, both places the hard in their own like man, well, shout out to that West coast man. That's our cousin. Yeah, you know, because like your first like you know, it was like I said, I'll played ball with a bunch of cats from Texas. You know when I tell you they was T shirt and kaks, just like we were ten khakis and a white T shirts.

Yeah ship, I said, really, if you look at it, you mean like I said, uh, New York, you know how the you know the ship that you know we started off with as far as the banging, the cripple and blood and type of ship like that, But Texas was on us first. You get me, I pull up in Texas and Niggas was blood and Niggas was crippin. And I was way before New York started. So that's why I said we were trying to cousins with it, because that's what I recognized when I first started touring

down South. I'd be like, man, these thinkers in khaki suits and Chuck Taylor's and ship, and even though they got the big they got the impolace with the big motherfucking rims and that type, they were still on neighborhood ship like we were. You get me on that ship like we was at Birch. But Texas you could go down to Texas and Louisatta, Louisiana, and even like I said, Mississippi niggas was wearing catching suits and bandannas and playing in blood. That's why I think you should kind of

relate it to in the aspect. Yeah, real, you know what the thing is, the big Mike. It all occurs from the stove because the South is all of our home. Everybody from eight you know me and ain't talking about it all the time. We was all getting them cars taking the trips to either Mississippi, New Orleans that you had family down there. My whole family is from um Mr Happy, you don't even want to see it. Mississippi. Yeah, people, all my people from Gulfport, Mississippi. So that's what we

used to take all our family on summer vacation. Mom stickers on the Greyhound motherfucking bus and were on our way to Gulfport, Mississippi. We're spending the whole summlers down there. So my music related to down shout shot South with heavy They suck with me heavy down South. Yeah, and the thing because you know me, but you know how it is. Man. A lot of people's man, especially out of that California man a lot of people place their anxiers that Louisiana to that Texas. You know what I mean?

I see that a lot up our co host that you didn't get to meet today, Big Mike, Big James, the Texas dude. Okay. You know that's where his roots is from. You know his family, you know his roots and everything. Texas man. You know one thing about it, Big Mike. I went down there. I loved it because you go down need to see a whole bunch of big black niggas that looks just like you. Okay, that's where I get it from. You know what I mean already,

the whole bunch of black niggas. Man. So you're doing music, man, And at this time you mentioned that she was with Tony Draper at first, who in his own right became of a real nice executive, you know, hey, And I tell you, you you know because we just basically you know kids right here working at the Olive Garden and Ship. And I tell you, even even then, his his aspirations wasn't to be a wrapper, right. He wanted to run company. You feel me, even as kids evenything, I'm like, I

wanna be a rapper. You think all teenagers think it's gonna be rappers that they ain't. He would think about being a weapon. He was thinking CEO from Jump And it's just it's just awesome, dad, what we both aspied for and set out together on. Right at a certain point, it both happened for us. You feel me? Did you ever trip that? Huh? Do you all even sit back now and trick on that? Hey, when we get together, it comes up. We're talking about it, you know what

I mean? We definitely, we definitely talked about it. Um, Yeah, it's it's it's it's an amazing thing. Um. You know that we actually sit down and we talked about this ship and embarked on the ship. Ye, you know what I mean. I go to study that. And you never try to get on the mic, you hear me. We just pay to pay for the studio time. Man, let's get it. Hear me. We get off and then getting ship done. But I say, maybe enough, gus amazing, But both others through this wind up coming through and people

don't really know that. That's why I like to make mention of that you did what I'm saying, I'd like to make mention of that, you know, But that shut out Tony Draper Man when he was able to accomplish over there. I ship, as a young artist, knew about Tony Draper You know what I'm saying, And that's that's what I'm saying. Some dudes had that vision that I don't need to be that you give me, you know

the position I want to play. I don't need to be the superstar and make it get a little jealous because you start bumping on the mic and start feeling like shining more than man. He move from the jump. I wanna be behind the den. We got some aspirations for a teenager. That's an aspiration to go, especially with being in the midst of all the hip hop that was going on and all the rappers and knowing it was that fine for us to get on. He said, Nigga, I don't need that ship to know what position I

want to play. You beat the rapper, I'm gonna be the song I'm gonna be the CEO Tony Drape the Suave Hounds or whatever whatever that was the ship man. Yeah, that's really let me ask you this thing, Mike, wasn't every time that you almost might have wound up on Suave House no, because I was already and um, we'll offer to my relationship with rapping that time, right, Okay, we had to do the corrected So I think, um,

the convict the head came out. Um, I thing, maybe the ghetto for us before we start really hearing about you know what I mean, following m J G. Right before he started getting a rounded things like that. You know. So like I said, you know, I was already all my journey at that point. You think what I'm saying, And um, he was, he was into his journey. But

we did come together. You know, I was able to record um on you know, a song with on Falling G. So you know, um, we still remain, you still remain you know what I'm saying. Cool, you know to a certain extent. Right, But we we didn't spend a lot of time around each other because, like I said, he was on his journey, I was on my journey. But you know, it would have been dope if we was able to come together and do something just on just on just on the history factor, you know what I mean.

But um, everything happens like it supposed that happen, you know what I mean, And we both finding catching our names and um in the book, so you know it worked out. Yeah, that's real spill man. I gotta go back because I'm bounced around a little bit. You knew about to Get a Boy's history obviously before you joined the group. How was that phone call that looks that he hits you up? Like, how did that come about? Big Mike? You want to be a Get a Boy?

Was it just a phone call? I'd tell you. Um, I was already in Los Angeles, right, We was working on the Compics record with Dick slip trade arng Um unknown. Right, we was already working on a compet record, and it was a little window where where motherfuckers had started kicking the real head. You know what I'm saying. It was?

It was it was a lot of part of you, right, So kind of like that production slowed down a little bit, right, I was getting harder to catch up with shooting this ship at the time, you feel me, right, everybody was still good. We're still well taking care of you. Think what I'm saying. I had to y'all had to spot. Y'all have to spot, had the spot. It was so

lot field, you get what I'm saying. So, but it's kind of like production has slowed down the middle field, right and um, and that's when I had wind up getting a call. But I knew the situation for Willie d leave it right prior to me leaving to come to Los Ange. You feel me, I was already there. I was aware, tempt you did what I'm saying. So, um, when they did hit me up and they ran it to me, you know what I'm saying, was like, you know when it didn't come back to the group, right,

and we've been sitting when I had it beat. You know what I'm saying, what we call with the ghetto for us from here and everybody was like, you know what I'm saying, your name's help coming up. And it was like me to grab the mike they might, you know what I mean, let's go take micro. So I didn't jump on it immediately, you know what I mean, I had I just thought about it for a little while. Um,

things hadn't picked up on the complex project. I think we was maybe like probably about five five six songs into it. Yeah, and it had kind of came to you know, little stopped right. So UM, I then listen, I already had a couple of kids, and I didn't really come down there just to be wasting too much time. You feel me, I really don't get it. Yeah, and making some money, you know what I mean? I asking for no money, but let me let's finish the record

with it out. Let me make some money for you and I so I can go back and take care of my people. You feel me. So the Gether plus came. I talked about it. He wasn't win it at first. Matter of fact, Sloop, I talk me out of it. Eight. We talked to eight. It was like, maybe you should wait because you feel me like, man, get in touch. We should right. I'm like, I don't wait, but you know, yeah, I wind up doing that. You know what I'm saying, talking should in the process he wanted up pick me

and we was you know, we was like, yeah. He said, when you're gonna come back through the solo project with us? I said yeah, you know, like I said, I still had my place everything, should still see me money. He was still there for my nigga. It didn't matter if I was you know what I mean. You was just like I was signing death from you feel me and um. But by time we had finished doing to get up was that and came out. We went on their first Prontic tour and then things had kind of started changing.

Jethro started having his problems, started having back you feel me and um so I was like, well, I don't, I didn't a wait for a minute, I don't really know what's happening. You did what I'm saying over there right now. I really didn't know who was the charge of things like that. So that was good over the rapper Locks at this time right than its was cool. So I was like, all right, we'll see man, thanks cool man. We got we we we we we got that sound. People love to hear me with that sound. Right,

let's let's block another. So so I embalked on the solo um then with them around that time. But um yeah, but you know me and should we were still cool throughout it. That's crazy to work out. So you told me to stay out here and wait, I mean because no disrespect because everybody know faces my nigga. Everybody knows Jay is my nigga, you know. But it was a big opportunity. You know, everybody knew that rapper Lock ghetto boys.

But death role was on from you get me Death role was fuck is Dr Dre and stric and fucking me Like it's like, you can't deny that that ship. Man. If any time you get the opportunity to be around a nigga like Drake, like I said, no disrespect because little Jake and and fucking Mr Brad Jordan's my nigger.

You get me. But to have that opportunity, because that's something we all we was waiting around to get our terms on Death Row because like I said, we were all figuring we was gonna be a part of this entity because we were all trying to make this shift go. You get me from from Sugar and from up behind the team nigging me and chill and splits. We're rooting for my condemn was my nigger, Mike, and three two

was my nigger. So we're rooting for a death Row to shoot because the that was gonna be the first nigger. There was no other artists, you know. Then Three the Convicts was gonna be before Drey did the Crony, before Snoop did Doggy Style. The record was going to be the record. Yeah, it was in the process of working on the deep Cover sounds. It was when Mike and three two was there, so they was gonna be like

the first official group on death Row. That would have been crazy man A convicts would have done the drinking your beats over the yeah. And I I tell you it was a couple of factors that played into it, right. So one one factor was that I had to consider It's like, which I'm like the high school ball player. I get to come right out of high school and

the Rockets want me exactly you feel me? And I'm like, I'm thinking about that too, right, and what that's gonna mean for my family and my oaks at home, you know what I mean. And I didn't understand how grad worked at the time, and feel me. We still caught up an excitement of being there and you know what I mean, and this and that I really didn't understand

how he worked at the time. You know, Gray, he had gathered his artists, listen to what everybody got, and here select the heat for himself, not totally for himself. The artist is gonna get the chinas well, but he's like, you know what, I'm gonna use this material and fielding this project that I'm killed. You feel me? And sometimes the artists don't know at the time, I didn't find out that great gangsterism and missed the officer what's gonna be on the crime until I had got thank to

you you feel Me. I gets back to Houston and I gets the call and Um and like, hey, you might you know Dr Trade um recorded your song for the UM for the Chronic album. You need to call him me see what's happening, right. I called him and he's like, yeah, yeah, Dad, I'm gonna using this and that just now. I said, but damn, man, what told me? Because I recorded the songs for the gett a boy protect you feel me? So he like, man, we can work something out, right, I do try for the ghetto

boys will be a you know. I said, well, we'll be able to spend one of them. You feel me? You know? So Um, But that's why you heard a version of Mr Officer on that Chronic two thousand that

should have put out. Remember we knock off anyway, but yeah, yeah, you heard Mr Labors on there and like, um when Dr Trade did the interview for the Source of magazine when he had fat to his head, right and he was talking about the crime in the funeral, right, and he telling them about the songs, and they listened to songs for the pro time people from the source that's interviewing, and when he gets to the one song to Um, the interviewer says, he stands up. It's like his chest

stands up. Looks I just window that's overlooking the Scottline in Los Angeles, and he said, yeah, out of all this, this is my favorite song on the album. And then the interview proceeds to quote the course was Mr officer. Mr officer, I wanted to put your ass in the coffer, right. But see, if I would have known this right, I would have stayed. I'd have been like, kid, then you can pray fearing me nigger to feel me you want to use ship that I wrote for the clinic, I

would have staved my nigga. But at the time, I didn't even know if he was really feeling me like that, you feel like. I didn't find out until later, But I didn't understand his method, how he worked. He did what I'm saying right, had I had known had some insight into these things, even if I had insighting to that he was really feeling me like you did what I'm saying right, Um, I would I would have probably I would have probably started over a little bit harder

and and probably stayed you know what I mean. It needs to get that done, you know what I mean. So but but but like I say, man, we don't came here with ret. We would we Rett, you know what I'm saying. I didn't learn a lot from my from my time down there, to feel me, I didn't learn a lot for my time down there. Um, I worked it into what I was doing right. Um, you heard glimpses of us and what they were doing as well, you feel me, so you could tell we was feeding

off each other, you know what I mean. So you know it's just that they had to fell the layout at the time, you know what I mean. And let me tell you, sir, no, just respect, I nigged three too with influential most definitely. We didn't want to get in depth on that that might be me and you. My nigga three too was influent. Chose yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. As soon as didn't nobody started seeing big baby and let me let me tell you my nigga. So my nigga was in exactly, that was my nigga

and he was influential exactly nigga. Niggers might be sleep on my nigga, And like I said, but that motherfucker right there, that nigga was heavy and when they came to that town, and that's the whole and the thing about that too, man um. You know, it's like we didn't find out about that until the Clinic cast came out because I had the demo to the Sick Feel Me.

I had on the demo songs, I had phones. They didn't need to make the final cut You Feel Me, And we hadn't heard none of the skits and ship, No skitz was on there. So then when we get the clinic, we get bottom he finally come out. You know, we hear the skits and things like that, and niggas is like, hem, we enjoyed the material, but then you know, we're taking to ourselves, like damn, damn, niggas could have just called us and had us do that ship exactly

You feel Me? If you're gonna use it, like, at least have us on the album. Here. We got shot it out on the album You Feel Me. But god damn, we're supposed to be people at this time, and I'm like, yeah, man, we could have got the in fight on the album, right, because now this ship is worldwide. You got Motherfucker's and Hungary, you got Motherfucker's and and and the Philippines really thought, big baby, I don't known hook. You know what I mean?

Right to some people it might just be slam, but right, we know how it is. Right, we do the tools that we have around us, right while that our advantages ship like that, and even in the evening in the ghetto on the crime feel me slaying is important to let me tell you, it's the same situation. Then I started saying the g back in and motherfucker swear that ship comes from any and everywhere. You give me up. But I don't even trip off because I know back

in I brought that to the table. You know where that chill comes from. You give me that. Ain't nobody Yeah, no, nothing that you ain't nobody dripping that. It's all good, have fun with it, do your thing, because I know, and a lot of niggers who know me know where that ship came from. So but you in the books, because people worldwide, no, dude, exactly that fun with eight So so you in the books, you know what I mean?

But um, yeah, but at the time when we had got the material and it was new to us, we was like, damn my Nigga because we had came back home telling me Nigga, Nigga, Nigga Dr Frey and Nigga's going down out there that niggas ain't playing. Nigga's a motherfucker going back And so like niggas first, Niggas is jether because niggas is like, man, how the funding niggas

get to go funk with Dr Craky for us? Right, So we run at this talking and dragging and ship and then when she come out, we're not on it, but they're doing our ship. You feel me think it was like but but at the same time though, niggas knew that our presents had been felt though, and then what I'm saying and that's a good thing. And then, like I said, they fed off for us. We fed off with him. This is real, mother, because do when

they get together. You think what I'm saying so um, Like I said, man, the ship did a fire on me. I can't thank you. You don't fire you. I definitely benefited from my time in Los Angeles around those cats. You think what I'm saying, Man, we had some we had some good times. Every day was the news my nigga. It was basically yeah, yeah, gangsters know what I'm talking about. Anyway, Listen,

we had, we had, We had an amazing time. Bro Um three two never held no fludges against against any you know what I'm saying, None of that any time I talked, any time I talked to my nigga, he had nothing but humble love for ship back back. Yeah, you know what I mean. The only time I was in my feelings is when my nigga had got killed. You feel me and then't at that time, you know

how you think you're like, damn him. You're looking at the round you like, Man, if my nigga would have benefited from some of that ship that niggas came up us, this ship came up on, right, he wouldn't have never been in a position where he was still in that type of convironment. You did what I'm saying right around these pre fast niggas, you know what I'm saying, and

things like that. Right. But um, but if he if he could come back and talk to me, he'd be like nah, you know, we him get down like that. But it was just an emotional thing for me. You know what I'm saying. You know how it is. But like, hold on, wait a fucking minute. They I want to talk to everybody that old my motherfucking brother. You did what I'm saying, I don't get what is a family member. I won't talk to him too, you know what I mean, and ship like that until all the emotion his things

like that settled. But um, I know he enjoyed his his um his time out there. You can hear in his style after he came back from l A that nigga was smooth and slick as a motherfucker. I think it was so smooth and beauty follow the bike that bigg was just man, I'm telling you, And what and never another nigga like you? Straight up? No no, no, no no, and good about it? And what's good about

it for niggas who know? His legacy is still here for niggas who know, because you can see it's still here with niggas that know, and the fans are more educated now, you know what I mean. So it's it's it's a cool thing. I'm sure. Um, you know all the artists that we happen to be a friends out there. You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm sure they still think Hylie UM three too as well. You know what I'm saying. He was that kind of personality, you know

what I mean. And he was just a he would look outside of the music ship, man, he was just one of your niggas. Man. If you was good with three two and he became one of your niggas. Man, it was a good nigga outside of music. Like music, my nigga. Nig was the funny fucker to be around. I'm counting here. I think it used to dying man. He larious, Man, I didn't Yeah, yeah, I missed that guy though. I missed that. Yeah. Man, you know, Big Mike, we could talk about your classics man all day. But

you've got some five rands new ship. Did you just put out man Finished the Job? What's going on with that? Yeah? Man, I had um thank you for bringing that up, man, I appreciate that. Man got the new LP out right now. It is the title on Finished the Job. UM have released it right found when that COVID So it kind of like, uh kind of like it didn't actually so things down because I was still grinding with it. But you know it isn't here with everybody, um, everybody else

to at the time, but here the album is out there. Man, it's hard to tell from what people tell me you did what I'm saying, bro, Definitely, yeah, I definitely at this stage, if I'm doing music and I'm coming out, I definitely want people here and here's that I've spent right doing my crap. You feel me. I want them to hear that when they go get the mute. I don't want them to hear me sounding like ninety three, right, and and don't you don't you trip off of that?

A lot of the motherfucker's who listened to you today they want you to be so reminiscent of ninety three and ninety four. It's hard to explain to a motherfucker like, I'm so evolved from ninety three and ninety before. And I get it. That was the height of y'all. You love the negative at all you had out there if you have out there, and I get it. But it's

a different mind people. It would have been cool if we was cash that had one one hit one record that we was known for, right, is easier to stay in that mode, right, because you know what you're gonna do. But when we was artists, that was used to see we come from the every hip hop, the hip hop we was digested in the early eighties and ship like that. You feel me. We grew up with with artists having the window to grow. You feel me. We grew up with l L. We grew up with Daddy. We watched it.

You know what I'm saying, Right, they taught us and things like that. So, um, it's just that today they don't that time of time, that kind of time is not a lobby to the artist, you know what I mean, right, because they don't. They don't. I hate to say judge, but they don't. Weigh an artists today on um their depth in music, right, it's really about what they could show, right and things like that. And we had all that ship too back in the eighties. That make we trump jewelry.

They you see sick Ricky still doing it. You feel me. Niggas had real jewy. They that big ship back in cars and everything. You know what I'm saying. But the emphasis we're still on the music. You feel me. It was still on the music. But I do, Hey, I get that I get that a lot Cass wants you to say in that name, but they don't really understand that type of artists. We all won't allow us to stay complacent like that, you feel me, especially when you you still got you know, you feel like you got

a lot, a lot to deal. They just want allow you to do that, you know what I mean. But if they walk with the new ship, they're definitely going to here that foundation that they're looking for. You feel me, it's definitely going to be there. And that's the whole treat of it. They like, damn, this think is really making this ship work because I'm hitting what I want to feel me and I'm I'm hearing what he's trying to do as well at this stage, you know what

I mean. So you know, the fans, if they rock with you, they just have to really get into what you're doing. And um, so far, a lot of fans that came up and and and doing the nineties and things like that when we were doing other things, they tend to why with us, you know what I'm saying. That's why winners there there get you the opportunity, but you just have to give it the time to get a round to it and things like that. But I just try to keep it pushing, man. I try to

keep my blades short as possible. So um, at the end of the day, when all the music is collected and it's all done, you know what I mean. I want people to be able to hear escalation. I want them to be able to give some bro if they can walk away and say, damn, that was jamming at fifty to three harder than he was that twenty three. You feel me, man, I'm good, you feel me. I'm like, okay, okay. What I was trying to do was felt is then

what I'm saying, And that's the whole thing. Man. It's just like le Bron and Ship they could say, man for the time tapping on the brown shower the crown, like, I just got to recalibrate my give Me a Ghost one with Nigga and I'm gonna show you to feel me. I'm gonna sorry the other side of the game. So that's what we have to do, man, And I think the fans at the end of the day, they're gonna

appreciate that. They're gonna appreciate that that we try to keep it curving and continue to grow because you're still a lot of fans that's our age, man, that's out there, and they just haven't been bead you feel me. They just have a little But when we go around and do these shows right and these motherfucker um these cators be packed the lines were in the corner and show you, man, that that that the fan bases there, they're wrong with you,

you feel me, But you gotta keep quick me. You know, if you stay consistent with the product and it's quality and it's good, it can't be no bullshit. And that's a lot of bulls A lot of times. That's what fun us up too, because yeah, it's a lot of us still around, but a lot of us ain't putting out the quality music that we are known to put out. It's like we're trying to adapt to a lot of what's going on, but you're forgetting that you were still

gotta have that, still gotta have that. It happens, It happens. It happens to me, you know what I'm saying. I came home and I was trying to tip on what was happening at time, you know what I mean. I kind of stepped out and brought me some loud color tennis really my style, you know what. Man, there it was like we do that. We do it though, we

do it, you know, my fuer you know. But when you already had that foundation, and it's kind of hard, so you have to check yourself every now and then you got to chap yourself and you have to check yourself, and then you know, and and and and and you got to stand firm like a pam, you know, like a pam with the child, and you watch the child go through all these different stages. You feel me, but

you can't change, right. That's how we are today in the game, right, the game is a child because we're watching the change go from stage, but we still have to stay firm. We can relate to them and keep it cool. You feel me, but at the same time they have to see that foundation firm, you know what I mean? And um, you know, And that's that's just how I see it. Some of the time depends on

what I'm smoking. Different point of view. Yeah, yeah, but you know that the album Mills Gym and Man What a Turtle Man, and I kind of got our idea of my money. The title finish the Job gotta this is like double times right there. They gotta meeting to it, right, Yeah, most definitely, you know, because people always want to know, you know what I'm saying, would happened with Big Mike. You know what I'm saying right there on that bubble and then all of a sudden, you know, um, there's

no secret. By now people knew I had had some problems with it, lady, and feel me. The ship went from the desk in the office and leaked out into the streets and got to the gangstership. Make a long story short, right for my part in it, I wind up doing some times, you feel me windinging some time. That's what happened with me, wind up getting a seven years since doing foe on next. But at the time, with no social media, this this was pretty social media

well fulk was able to keep themselves going. Then I can pitch you that social media motherfucker can't have that. So, folks, that's that's a little while, you know what I mean. So I felt like my career was interrupted by that drama with the label that led to my course ration.

You feel me, right, So the job was complete. You did what I'm saying, I dropped some projects in the meantime after coming home a few mixtapes, you know what I mean, a couple of couple of records, you know what I'm saying, to keep it, stay active right and keep some money flowing. You did what I'm saying. But it wasn't that Big Mike project that I knew what

was in me. So when I came to that point and I was comfortable where I met right in the music, the sound came together for me in that pocket at that time, I said, you know what this it's what I want to finish the job with. I guess the first step and finishing the job you did. So when um, when that type of came to me, man, it's stuck

with me. You know. It had that definitely that meeting behind it, and it made people be like, you know, bring the question up, like finish the job with job or you finish it right, and then I'm able to get into the things that led up right, so they get some more history on Big Mike. You did what I'm saying, not like I just fell off playing it something.

You did what I'm saying exactly sure, And that's what I'm glad man that that me and my brothers got the opportunity, man, you know, to have this show right here man, which we're getting like a million downloads on the audio a month now, dude. And we got the radio showed off. So doomdays of our brothers putting off music and not having a support system, it's them was over. We got a radio showing our brothers gonna be in

ten of eleven different markets out here out West. We're gonna be in front of four or five million people every Friday. So the big mics of the world, the Moor three too always have. We're playing all that ship. I'm playing all that I see. I think you're two weeks Mike. We're gonna yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. We need that, man, you know what I mean. Shout out to your brothers for that, man. We need that. We need more brothers.

That's that's UM that's on that side or the ball right to do their things and and create opportunities and avenues and things. You know what I mean, for the for the for the um, for the veteran artists, that's well, that's still got good music. The offer, you know what I mean. That's all it is. We know how the radio game work, right. We know it's all about big

record companies keeping their account paid up. You feel me, you know, and a lot of us we're just not We're just like you know what Niggers is feeling us on the street. Right, We're good. We're able to make anifany eating things like that, but you know, to have to have our peers create avenues you feel me and say no, that ship ain't acceptable. Right, that's an awesome thing. So I can listen. I congratulate you guys on doing that. Man, I rocked, y'all. I think y'all for supporting us man,

And y'all know I support whatever y'all doing. Oh Man, and we and we're playing the rivers on the radio, bro. So it's like, you know, we went to help you back to be on the radio show, you know what I mean? Yeah, you know we pushed stuff man and people Mike, Man, while we you mean, telling people where they can find you and where they can get at man. Listen, man, y'all for social lots of me on on the gram at O G think Mike, that's o G thick Mike.

That's on the ground. And um and with that Facebook man on that Facebook as well man that I am Big Mike. I try to get them things consolidated. But I'm still working on it, you know what I mean. Um, But most definitely, man, y'all reach out to me on the ground at O G think Mike, y'all can keep up with me for the latest content, um, the latest material that I'm gonna be dropping, um when I got shows and things, performances coming up, you know, Um, different

artists that I'm working with. You know, I even post the music or artists that that that hit me up and pay me the feature on their song. You think what I'm saying. So, Um, I'm just trying to give back man in the ways that I'm able to using my craft for things like that. You know. But yeah, most definitely man, y'all see that at me on that um on the on the plan that OK kick Mike on Facebook for all my Facebook heads that I am Big Mike, you feel me, and for the features to

put them on put them shows. Man, y'all get at me man that put O G. Pick Mike just dropped us a message man concern to get interest and we're gonna get right back to you.