EP 112 Of Mice And Men

James and Bix Fails from the Streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of My Heart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you download the I Heart Apple, subscribe to The Gangster Chronicles for my Apple users, hit the purple mica on your front screen. Subscribe to Against the Chronicles and leave a five star rate in the comment. We the welcome every one to another episode Against the Chronicles podcast. Now, who want you?

Try to keep our homeboy, our brother m C eight and Prayer. He's doing fine, couldn't be with us the night and he's taking care of a medical issue. Nothing Bass so don't start the rumors out there. We got big jag in the house. Man. Tonight, we got a special guest, the Professor, Melly Mayl, the hood professor. Man. You know the vibe, Man, I'm just chilling. Man. How you doing, James, I'm good, my brother, I'm good. Still

just told me, man, you probably out riding that motorcycle. Man, you know I ain't got the glass, boy, I was, I was getting that rest. Yeah, I gotta do that. Man. When here, you know, okay, got you. You got a lot of energy. I'll be running on any kids. The kids don't know. They don't never once them two year olds on up, man, they run all day day. One of the things we was talking about earlier, what exactly

is the man code? Fellas? Man? Cold is staying on cold? Man, knowing what your what your code of conduct is Man, you know what that's you and you get that in your culture, conditioning it. But it comes from your father, you know what I'm standing. But a lot of these guys are being really reared and raised up by women. So you know what I mean. It kind of speaks

for herself. When that when a female element is part of a man's thinking, it becomes emotional, very emotional, so they don't know how to process like a man or like a man with normally, you know what I mean. Because times have changing, a lot of women are just raising you know, man, boys that my mom's My mom reased five, three sons when in the household. You know, we pretty much did what we wanted to do, and by far, you know, none of her sons were timid,

you know what I'm saying. And and you know, I give a credit for raising five. But you know, I think without the dad, you know, we ain't afraid of nothing. So we we we tend to bul off into our own ship and start doing what we see in the streets. And that's what that's true. That's true though, James. But doing your time, you had uncle's granddaddy. You had somebody coming through, man, you know what I mean, there was somebody that was right there, you know what I mean.

So that we're talking, we're talking about two different eras, you know what I mean? Where this era right here? Man? This this generation z man? Come on, man, they man, they they don't. We used to just smoke weed and drink a little drink. Now they're doing Molly's uh sir, you know drink, you know what I mean, A little PCP, a little little power that can hide different things. The

doors is open for being taught. I'm three cold supposed to learning and thinking for yourself, you know what I'm saying. And you know we knew what time to head back to the house, you know what I'm saying. Oh yeah, we definitely had that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So these cats today are totally different. You know, we have the lack of loyalty because don't nobody understand what that means. They didn't grow up with that, so they

don't they're not conditioned for that. Uh, you know, just just you don't have that one hunter like you used to have when we was growing up back in the days. You know, you got kids knocking on those shooting at the parents. Parents ain't got ship to do with gang banging and these things that you know, being up close and personal. That was that was one of the rules. You don't you know that then we had respect for the churches, even though we were fucking monsters and and

and doing the street. We didn't go and tag on a church, you know what I'm saying. Just certain things we didn't do opposed to everything they're doing today, you know what I'm saying. And we can tell can wait because the daddy went there. I mean, we can honestly say that. But the kids these days, some of them got both of their parents, you know what I'm saying. That's true, but still out there doing the same monkey as ship that everybody else is doing right, right, right right,

they're not thinking. There's a book, man, It's called The Man. Hello, yeah, oh, keep on, okay, there's a book called The Man Not Right and it's my guy named Tommy Jake Curry. Man. It is a great reading. It kind of just it taps into a lot of different areas of manhood. With manhood, isn't with manhood? It's not I lovet my mic for a second. Let me say, come back home, you're good. Yeah. I'm gonna write a book called think for Yourself than a lot of mother fuckers don't think for yourself? There

there there. You know, it's one thing of being taught right and wrong, and then there's another thing to be taught, um, just being stupid a foolish way. And a lot of kids, a lot of these cats out here have been taught a foolish way like our nephews. My nephews I want to be game bangers, but they see what had done to uncles and cousins and the uncle's homeboys. But they still want to be a part of everybody. Everybody want to play and have a position and nothing. You know

what I'm saying. And I just I just called it. Just think for yourself if you can see and and absorbed the ship that's been going on watching uncles because unties didn't let the kids. So we thought our nieces, the nephews would be involved in this type of ship. Just like in compting down today you got the homies kids killing each other. You see what I'm saying. We all grew up together, but our kids are at board and the only thing to separate them is a boulevard

right uh street. That's it, because they said virtually in the same proxibility of one another. They went to the same schools, They they see each other, they go to the look store, they share the look of story in the gas station. So how did we get there? Uh James? Every year ship breaks down in the neighborhood, all the all the cats that we call big homies or whatever are gone. The ones that are here may be strong

on drugs. The younger kids, younger generation don't respect, don't know how to respect, the olders, the elders, the big homies. Howevery you choose the word um, they don't respect mama. You know what I'm saying, because now they believe that the homies got their backup post to their mama having their back. You know, family, the hood turns into the family. The street cold of today is the homies. And what

the homies do? You know, nobody out there. And these kids have never been taught how to think for itself, so it don't matter that you know, they never broke bread with each other, the big homies. We all grew up breaking bread with each other. But these kids that never broke bread with each other, you feel me. So it's just a lack of And then that you got in the hood of you know, fifty and over, forty

five and over, they they become the big homie. Now that's why they still trapped where they at because they want to be the big homies. But they don't get it. So how can the blind lead the blind? Yeah, you know, y'all both said something really like, um, stuff that's just real. On point, Millie Mayo said something. He mentioned something earlier that a lot of these guys don't have a father

figure in the house. And see, I think with their father figure, you know, like even though my pops weren't physically in the house with me, I had a stepdaddy, right there was real, no nonsense. And I had uncles that was coming home from prison or whatever like that telling me there ain't no place that you want to go. So they pretty much gave me what the definition of a man was. You know, the news didn't sit in the ass all day and you know what I'm saying,

and and just chill. They went out of work and had jobs and ship, had hustles, had ship. You know. So I was talking from early age. And the man is supposed to provide for his household. A man is supposed to do this. I got certain tendencies to day, Like if I see my wife taking out trash, I get my son's ass. I'll be like, you know, what is your mama doing taking trash outside? That's show job, right, that show job at the house of somebody breaking house.

What we're gonna do stay upstairs and hide the woman go downstairs and hold it down. You know, no, I don't work like that. That would break the cycle what you're doing with your kids at home today you're there. That breaks the cycle of how you grew up. You know what I'm saying, The ship that I'm doing raising grandkids. You know I ain't supposed to be raising my grandkids. My kids supposed to be raising their own kids. You're supposed to come with granddad and my mom on the weekend. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying. So I got a question for both of you, guys. What's that? What is the hardest good in the world, the hardest good doing right, the hardest hood in the world. I'm no good, the hardest in the world. Skill jeans eight, y'all neggas better give me my fire Donald, I put that on a shet. I need to go get me some wanna merrow my motherfucking feet fucking with me. Gangster Chronicles of my ass pay granted her money. This Gangster Granny, y'all know me?

Where you at? Where you at? This is o G Gangster Granny and the Gangster Chronicles podcast is back in effect. Getting ready for some of that G ship and blaze up some wanna merrow the exactly. That's the hardest hood in the world. Man, it's the hardest because I'm gonna tell you this too right here. I think sometimes I've been too We've been too good at parents because I look at my kids. Sometimes it's just like little stuff like you know, my wife would say she's going the

grocery store to buy something to cook for dinner. Right the kids just be on some ship like, oh, we want you potally, we won't you know Chick fil A. When I was a kid, that's she was luxury. We want to McDonald's. It was like a luxury you man, you get to go to McDonald's. And to day, man, these kids just looking ship like that, like it's supposed to happen, you know what I mean. No, that's called pacifying dogs. We pacified kids and give them what they want,

you know what I'm saying. Like me, I try to give my kids and my grandkids when I didn't get from my father, when I didn't get from my mother. And at the end of the day, you wind up hurting them because you pacified. Now they become adults and they still want and think you're supposed to give m so'. Also what's also interesting is how these kids are hard wired to dismiss the facts that we are laying out

because of their own local feaking. The facts that we are laying out right here, the fact that we sit on this live and we're given straight up datas fact statistics. They're hard wire in their minds did this simply dismiss it? Right? It's like, you know, sometimes I tell my sons some ship that I haven't been through already and then look at me. Well it was different back then, pops. I was like, what's different? You know? You know, you know what that's all? Yeah, you know? And what I've noticed

with these and you know it ain't all bad. You've got some young kids out of the handling their business, right. I noticed, for the most part, man, we live in the area where dudes can't take no kind of in this hot, slightest little in the resistance. They're ready to give up on some ship, you know what I mean? And I tell my kids every day life is hard as a motherfucker. I said, you think I like doing half the ship? I do, but it's what it is, you know, It's what you have to do is with

with your purpose he is. You know what I mean. You know you got card notes, you got mortgages, you got ship to pay for, so you gotta get off your ass. The world is moving, man, because every moment, every day, new second changes occurring. Whether you want to be a part of it or not, it is happening.

So you gotta get with the program. And you know what I mean, You look like the dude that's standing down on the corner in front of acing store with the body hounds, still got a Jerry Curl telling about he he from the hood. Are you got the dude over sending town of blocks stand in front of Brownies on the back side with the body hounds talking about Yeah man, I'm down for the hood. You got them cats right there, and then you got these junctions looking

at that. But they don't realize that's the horrid movie right there in front of their face that's gonna be to them in ten years. But they don't. They don't seem to take that into account. You know what I mean, because we all these eyes right here. Your eyes is the lends to the movie that you're filming right You're right here right now, you know, So you want to be the best version of yourself at all times, you

know what I mean. But people don't. People just take things for for granted in our communities that theseus do somehow it's just gonna work itself out. They don't have to put no time and energy into working it out. They just want you like they want Jenny's and maybe come fix it or take their head and show them with them. Still they want you to do me, you know what I mean. They think that somehow we're gonna just um going in the backyard to Money three and

just feeling for him, you know. Yeah, well you know what, and and that seems so risk a lot of grown as, sorry niggas that think that way. I'm gonna tell y'all, James, No, you would be surprised at the amount of phone calls I get for people. And I don't mind people calling me for help or asking for help if you're willing to do forself. But you'll get somebody to call you and say, hey, man, I want to put them together

a podcast, right, I want to do something. You help them get it up and get them get it set up. Next thing, you know, they're calling you every day because they pretty much want you to come and do the ship with them, and you don't already put all kinds of man hours into them. Don't get it all kinds

of ship. Don't do it this You now you're getting the where you're not just investing your time, but now you've investing a little bit of money because it's like you know what this and you know this money still because if you're spending time over there for free, you're losing money where you could be getting money on y'all own ship exactly. And that's what I tell people. I would say, ship me and James got her own damn platform.

We could be able there doing that ship. At least we know we're getting the dollar from that ship, you know. But you would get people in the moment you tell these motherfucker's no. It's like watching the reaction to a little four year old kid when you tell they can't have no more candy cookies or some ship because they get mad. Funk are you funny acting? Because see the one thing about the nigga and I ain't telling about black people. Don't talk about nigas period. You can tell

him niggas yes, a million motherfucking times. The first time you tell them motherfucker's. No, they forget about all the yes, and now you all kind of bullshit. Motherfucker's you know, you let the motherfucker. You let the motherfucker hold a few dollars, right. And this is just a thing about being a principle. I was taught coming up. You don't borrow from somebody. I ain't know borrowing type of nigga,

no way. But if I get something from another man, you're supposed to get that ship back to him, whether family, you know, you know what exactly, whether it's family, whether it's what ever. And I tell my kids all the time, you know, don't give her that thinking because I gotta tell my signs if they come to me, Pop, you've got a few dollars, like a borrow, I'll say you borrow a hat. It's a difference, you gotta be clear, very different, because if you tell me that you're borrowed,

if that means I'll expect mind back back. It's like it's difference between somebody in the streets or somebody at home in a sense. Uh. But but it kind of falls backs on you. If you know a mothercker ain't got a job and he hang on the block, oh goddamn day. He ain't doing nothing if he if a mothermucky, ain't get enough being productive. And motherfucker came by his own drink, his own weed. Everybody got habits, came by a cigarette and it's the same motherfucker every day. Let

me get a smoke, Let me get a smoke. You're ready to give them three foot the hollars, but yeah, it's homie you give hims. Don't plan on seeing that shipped back. Yeah, that's real ship. You already knew, not to his mother. You know what my thing is, James, with certain motherfucker's and I know their tendencies. I do what I call buy them out of my life. If I know what motherfucker, that's exactly what happened. He asked

me for something. Yeah, sure you can borrow that two D I'll give it to us as because I know I ain't gonna never get from his punk ask again.

He break his neck when he seen you from trying to hide from you because he don't want you, because James, because how many times and this fall in the main code to me too, because I tell people all the time, I ain't never been a gang banger, but I tell you why all my friends are gangious, because then most of them is the most loyal, trustworthy motherfucker's you can meet because they live by a certain code. If they

get something from it, they can give it back. And nine times out of team, they ain't gonna never ask you for ship because they got their young You see what I'm saying. And it's like it's a lot of good brothers out there. You know what I'm saying. It's a lot of real sellers, streetcats. And when it comes down to man, really, I'm gonna tell you where all

this ship comes from. Y'all. Remember when the eighties they start pushing that line about oh, if your parents is whooping your ass at home, you can call this number and snick. And remember people are telling them their parents and ship like that. But where they missed the market with that ship. You had people that was really at home getting the views and ship that couldn't get no

fucking help. But you've got this one motherfucker to the call a police every night when he's getting his ass fucking up, and they come over the jumping on their parents and ship like that. If the ship really got controved, man to the fact that where these kids thinking, motherfucker's supposed to be their friends when your opinion, you're not put on this earth to be a fucking friend. How do you Why do they think like that? Because you got some things they get hid with their kids that

come on, let's have a drink. Uh uh, they're doing it with the kids over here. Those are the things that you don't do with your kids. Man. Exactly, no motherfucking marijuana with job because at the end of the day, he's getting comfortable with hanging with you, not you being my parents, my father. So that's a that's what you're just saying. It is a part of staying on cold. We know as parents, that's something that you shouldn't do with your kids. You gotta stay on cold. You gotta

stay in parent mode. You don't go from being parent to being their bread or being somebody that's passing buns between them. You know, you just don't do that. Man. Yeah, you don't know. My thing is this because you know right now marijuana, we gonna go to the weed a little bit. Marijuana is legal now. I smoke every once in a while. I smoke me some weeds, but I'll be damning from them, sili thin get have one of my damn kids. You should no no, but that's just no, no,

you don't cross the line. And just it's like it is this when you're making love with your wife being invite him in the room something, watch and see how hit that as you might as well if you start doing it like that right well, and just at the end of the day, man, you when you start doing it like that, entertaining yourself with your kids in a fashion of that that nature, what happens when your son

get mad at you. Now you see these niggas just nothing up on their daddies, and that's because they've crossed that line of somewhere. You got this in the neighborhood today. But it's all to me. I think everything that we're doing in life is designed. Everything that we do in life has a reason to it, and it has a purpose.

When when when the government, when these people took whooping our kids out of the household, and now the kid feel more more just just angry because now I can call the police and your ask to go to jail. Uh whooping your kids? And and you put your kids into and our hall system, you gotta pay for it. What'd that tell you? Man? If you if I can't chastise my son, what happens my son get more and more and more batter and batter every day he goes

out there hanging out. Now he becomes a statistic Now he didn't got his as well by the people killed by the police. After that law was implemented surely round by the the late nineties, early two thousand and when you start seeing these kids walking up in the school and gunning down the whole classroom. Mm hmm. You know what I'm saying, Because that was the parents had that had that was no longer no structure within your home. You couldn't discipline your child when you know Johnny was

doing all this. With Johnny was back there killing the cat, killing the dog, and doing all this crazy strange stuff, you weren't able to stop him and discipline him on that, you know what I mean. So you just kind of shoved it under the carpet, buried the animal, and just pretend like that never happened. So over over a period of time, he evolved and the mentality became thirsty for something bigger or something a bigger venue. Shopping for a

bigger venue, and here we go. We now we got these kids walking up at school, movie theaters, nightclubs, or whatever, what have you, and they just got everybody down. Don't even know him, just or walk up into the church delling roof, you know what I mean? Then the police shows up and apprehending, don't buy a shot, taking the burger king and buy the walker and called him off the jail like it was just a normal day. Ball

That's not normal. And man, a man, what do you call the kid that can go and commit him murder but then fall out and break down, and in the court room after the judge then gave him a life sentence, crying, what do you call him? Is he misunderstood? No, he's not missunderstood, because you just kill somebody, right, he don't understand consequences. We didn't understand that for We didn't give a funk about that part. Should I say we went to jail back then we went to jail. We didn't

give seventy two hours. You're getting out of jail, don't nobody to show up, ain't nobody coming to court? Motherfucker's look for that type of ship. And and we we we we counted on that. Now these linings just getting thirty five forty five to light, and then the majority of these cats you see today just sitting in that courting him crying, they crying. Do you feel sorry for him? No? I don't. We were lucky. But these little kids today, man,

they don't. They don't. They never have to deal with consequences, you know what I'm saying. So do the big homies. How do how do we put how do we change the ship? Should? I say? It's hard to do because once the motherfucker mind is is conditioned to play a certain party, you don't want to play another part. He don't want the other role. He don't want the role of a good guy because now he believed that all the homies is looking down on him because he's thinking

the right way. So the right way will never show. We'll never put on that game face. I wouldn't wear that game face because I didn't want to help me to think that I was slacking up, I was getting soft or whatever. You because if a motherfucker think you're getting soft out there, the cold thing about it is they're gonna try you. Please believe it. What happened, I said,

please believe it? Yeah, So you know, I think guys are just against all of us, and we we don't pay attention and we we don't want to see that or here that part of the story, you know. We we we want to believe all the bullshit that were here and see opposed to thinking and and seeing what's right and wrong. Yeah, they for ourselves. Well, if you notice today, man, a big part of what's going on today too is people don't Men don't communicate with each

other no more. This is the typical scenario nowadays. I got a problem with James. I have james phone number. Instead of calling him, I go on Instagram and make a post about it, but don't never say his name. But you know what I'm talking about him? Well you know this and that instead of me picking up the phone and calling him, I'll do that. And and you know, no offense to our women listeners out there or my feathers. But to me, that's really feminine. That's not the way

of men conduct themselves. If you got a problem with somebody, you call that person and you work it out with them, even on the back of the box. Communication is the main component of getting to understand it. Without communication, you can't have an understand it. So that's just something that just has to happen, you know, Yeah, it has happened under the said for sure, because I know y'all see it the mine. It's like, and I'm not gonna going

to the whole Charlotte Magne thing. Right. Um, there was reporting on a brother what's the guy's name, Kama Karma Brown, Charlotte Maagne. You know, he went a little bit extra with it and saying some stuff about the thing to do when hammers, when bunkers. Charlotta Magne wanted this show and apologize today. I think that's a manion ship right there. He said, you know what, I funked up. I shouldn't said that and miss and that he apologized about it. A lot of niggas that they're gonna do that, a

lot of niggas. You know, they're wrong as motherfucking three dollar bill. But it's still could carry on with the bullshit instead of just the independ may understand you know what, my bad, my nigga, I mean no disrespect. At least he had the common decency to recognize his and mistake and understand why he needed to apologize. You understand, because here's the theme. Man, if you think about the NBA right, well,

look at the world. There's seven over saddling bill and people on this planet right maybe five hundred professional basketball players with those were centags. The livelihood that anybody making to the NBA, it's slim and ned. So if Steven A. Smith and Steven Jackson and Mac Barnes and give it arenuses, it's jumping on this fool because they don't feel like he didn't play to their understanding of or what they

think he should have played too. That's their problem, you understand for them to still be talking about that twenty years lady, it's restarted. Man, they didn't have nothing else

better to talk about. Yeah, that's real ship. You know one thing that we gotta stop doing, though, And I'm gonna tell you one thing, and I try to practice practice this myself, is we gotta stop trying to knock the next brother down is doing some ship over Damn always us whenever you see somebody talking about it and ain't a white boy on TV, the ain't this person, ain't a mix of doing it. It's one of us. They think they gotta going on. I'm about the tim

I'm their favorite words, I'm exposed some ship. What the fund are you going exposed? No, that's that's we We we hate what we see where we can't get for ourselves, so we hate the next man. They got it. We hate the fact that he got it and I don't. And you see a lot of motherfucker's like that. Ma'll but tell you way back in the days, and nigga hated another motherfucker because this low rider looked better than his.

I didn't have datings. So now nigga say, the only way I can get those datings is to go out there and kill the motherfucker for him. No datons was easy to get. Everybody had a hustler in the grind, but motherfucker's didn't want to. Boyd. We hate on each other just because of what we see, but we don't have right here. We hate each other because bitches is looking at that nigga saying that motherfucker is with it that nigga pretty now, And I hate this nigga because

the bitch is blank. You hate each other just on the stress of of of nickerism. What you mentioned that people hated Bartender for that man. Bartender was a nice looking young man, and all the women, no matter where he was from, love that dude. Dude from even his own sextional dudes from obviously other sextions hated even just for that reason alone. You know exactly did moret they

women around their motherfucking know nothing. But what I'm saying is is we hate what we're not right, we hate what we can't beat, but we're seeing somebody else and we hate the fact that another motherfucker made it. We hate the fact that a black man accomplished something, or niggas came from the hood and they're doing this now. Oh he thinking this ship. He made it out the hood. But look why says for making it? It ain't watching

somebody walked out to the neighborhood. You know what I'm saying, Man watching this, James, There's a guy. His name is U Napoleon Hill. Napoleon Hill said one of the most powerful emotions that a man has a desire to have sex. But if he harness that energy and transmute it into a monetary equipment equivalent, he'd be that much further head in life. Other words, when he was explaining is that if you put your time and energy into building your foundation in your life. You don't have no time for

all that stuff. And then at that point you don't have to look for no woman, and the woman gonna be looking for you. You understanding, because now you don't build this life up and you gotta you gotta stable now, you know. But what will happen to are you or are some of the people who come up the time they put the they put the buggy in front of the heart, they start chasing women are doing all this stuff. They don't realize that they're losing precious time because they

could spend that time building their life. And once you have your life together, then women come, they come. You don't have to look for That's some real ship right there. That that's the real ship. But you know what though, man, and I know James ain't big on conspiracies, me and you are a little bit mal if you look at this man, now, let's take it back. If you go

back and look at the program. And it was on TV in the seventies and the eighties, right, it was always a play kind of to where the dad was, the house was a buffoon, almost like a fool, the keys jokes on them and stuff, the mama talking to him crazy. You had good times where thelm I was talking to the house from that man in this house and talk crazy to him or whatever. You know what I'm saying. When you had the Jeffersons to where the woman come over his house and talk crazy to him,

you see what I'm saying. They had to listen with the white guy. It was all kind of little subliminal ship and they always made the man look like a damn fool. Well that that was the beginning of the feminist movement. That was because of the feminists that started all that stuff. It was all it was the slight of a hand and subliminal course. But it was due to that feminist movement that they felt like women was

equal to men. But women got to realize that you live, you living in the world at me and build see because the woman can't run the electoral kain or run the up keep uh the infrastructure in this country. That's not when we're doing the job already. Women have to learn not to do that, you understand. So you took all the men away, what would the women do? Yes? That and women to our women fans out there, there was many miles sce I still in that, you know.

But the thing was, though, bro, if you go back and look at it, the man was always made and look like a fool. It's like, if you think about it, Married with Children, that was one of the biggest shows on TV. Al Bundy was a shoe salesman, right, he had a job, but it always showed him just like he was just a fool all the time because never still did dealing with the feelings movement though still it's still it's all a part of it, you know what

I'm saying. Nothing is exempt from that. We just gotta understand why the wise you understand now both of y'all you know whether they was good in the end or not. You know, we all had men in the household, right, I mean also with any of your daddy is a step daddies and let some broad coming to the house and talk to him crazy. It wouldn't have went down to my house because the first thing Willie would have said, my step up the last name I karding. He'd have

told my mama. He would have put this bitch and ship you know what I'm saying, or or or my hamlet you know what I mean, she ain't gonna being here talking crazy to me. You're talking to me any kind of way. I remember a woman told my stepdaddy, you need to put some shoes on. He said, when you start peeing some bells around his motherfucker big thing, you can talk to me until then. You ain't gotta say ship to me. And I said, damn. I thought

it was kind of harsh at the time. But what he was doing is he was putting the check down. So what about daddy overflowing his ass? And then my mama shot my father, you ain't putting your hands over no more. You ain't talking to me like that no more. So the motherucker thought he was gonna go out with his bitches at the motorcycle club and come back in the house. And and that's that. She set her motherfucking ass in the chair with a child on her lap.

It piss up under the top when that thing opened the door. What I thought that was the most gangster ship I ever seen. But you know what, though, that's what I don't know because he got you together. Though, James, I'm gonna tell you this, Stough, that's a pet peeve of mine because my thing is this, It ain't no way on God's green Earth. No nigga got no reason to be putting her hands and the feemale. I tell everybody this, if she's making you want whoop her, ask

and all that she's the right one. That's true. She seems the right one. Because I'm gonna tell you a woman today, a woman wants me to fight with her ass. If my wife liked to fighting all that ship, we wouldn't be together. I'm not doing it though, with some women like that. Some women like to fight. My my uncle's uh, my uncle's girl. She was at the project. Yeah, of course I watched her go down with my uncle Plo like one nigga come get it, and he was

busting her ass up. But she was with the business. You got some women out there that they ain't gonna take that nigga ship. Ain't going for it at all. Who wants to? Man. Let me tell you something, I don't need a woman. If Nick's three nickas trying to jump me and she just stand there holling and hooping she joined in, I don't need her. I don't need it. But also I don't want my girls fighting fighting. Right, every every woman I had in my life, man was with the business. My my my ex wife on the

motorcycle set. I had to tell her, put your motherfucking gun back in your tit. I don't have to fight every time of Nicka run his mother. She's coming out. She's whipping that motherfucking dude five out, ready to pop a nigga. My daughter's mama from south Side Pam like Nick, if you're gonna fight my nick, and you gotta fight me too. I have women that was ready to fight. What they do that don't make her a bad woman, because I mean, my my oldest son, Mama old lights

getting motherfucker, pretty as motherfucker, but she ready fight. She loved her dude nicking. Y'all ain't gonna do that, feel me. My sisters said the j J new Berries with the prominentes are as serious robbing too. I don't whatever against the woman. Remember huh remember my death? Yeah yeah, man,

I was right there. Man, right here. Here's the difference between a man got a lot of men out there that that that let another nigga call him a bit or slap him up or push him and kick him around, but then he takes that aggression and being because he mad, he's gonna go home and call his woman a bitch. No, if you ain't mad enough to fight another man for disrespecting you, you shouldn't say shipped to your woman for

disrespecting you. That's the problem here. You got a lot of men that all that will beat the ship out of a woman, but they are afraid of the big homie, the little homie are, or just a man in general. That's the problem with motherfucker's. They need to learn their rods. If you're a motherfucking man and you're out there with the next man, and that man call you a bit hand to your business. But if your wife don't cook or your girl don't cook dinner, had dinner for you,

now you want to roll up and be mad? Oh bit, you shouldn't know. It's a difference. Some niggas as bitch as too, and niggas don't understand that ship. And I'm gonna keep in one, honey. There's a whole lot of bus niggers out here, a whole lot of them. And the difference of that, you got some niggas out of here that are fighting anything on the planet. But he is still going home and beat up his bron Can't you be mad at that nigg putting in the same

boat as a busy Look what you can be. And you ain't gotta beat your girl up like that, true, because at that point you ain't gotta prove a motherfucking thing to your woman. If your woman is supposed to feel safe around you, secure. Yeah, that's what me and are with me and are the maintaining the protectives of women and children. That's just our petitions. That's our natural position, right, That's that's that's that's supposed to be our strength. But

we don't do that. We don't do that. We don't let that ship go so far it's just out of hand. So how do we get that ship back? We gotta learn and condition ourselves. You know what I'm saying. It took me to get to my late forties, my my fifties for me to understand what what what type of person I wanted to be or or now, And I can honestly stand up and tell the next motherfucker I'm a man. I know I'm a man. I know what a man is now I'd have been through it, but

I know what the fucking man is. And can't nobody take that from you? Can't nobody touch that, and I'm gonna protect any and everything that's in my circle. And that's me. You feel me absolutely understand and learning that part, then I think we'd be better as black man. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, absolutely little, Because I'm gonna tell you I had one of the coaches y'all know my son played football for USC and one of the coaches that told my me and my wife that y'all

are the best parents I've ever seen. Y'all really be there for y'all kids. Right. My thing is this, I reward my kids for they when they're doing something excellent. When they're doing something that's not excellent, they don't give rewarded for the stuff, right. I look at it like this. We paid for our oldest son to go to college. We didn't have to pay for my middle son to go to school because he did what he's supposed to do with his grades and football and got himself in

the school. Rewarded that we got in a car, right, My oldest son did right, he wanted got him some ship. My daughter she on her way so she would get her some stuff. If they wasn't here enough, that wouldn't happened like that. But even with that being said, I always leot my keys know that you're not obligated to shift for you doing what you're supposed to do. I'm doing this because as a reward for you. But this is what you're supposed to do. You supposed to want

to be good for yourself in life. You see what I'm saying. But but but until a certain point, you're doing it because you're a parent. And this is what parents do. They make their kids great. Your sons want to be like dad because dad is doing My dad is still here with my mama, so I want to be like him. M So let's take Thatt's take it a little deeper. So why is it that allows of Ball get criticized for doing such an excellent job with his three sons? But yeah, the media is only because Yeah,

that's what I was gonna say. You know what the problem with the you know what the problem with the media they got with him is he's a black man that breaks every stereo type they ever had. This motherfucker loved his sons to death. And what you want to say, because I'm trying to get one to the NFL, This nigga don't got all his kids. The one kid lead. He don't got what do you see league or whatever,

He's still basketball that. I don't want to blame it on white people, but I want to say this, Uh, people do not want to see black men with with strength and power like that that raised their kids and and and let the whole world know that I got their back. My kids are good. My kids ain't bad, and they're there. If every father, if the world's seen every black man as a father out there for their kids like that, we wouldn't have a problem. If we have a date he opened his mouth. Oh no, we

don't need niggas to act like that. We don't need

him out of the public like that. So this is why it is so important that we control our own media, because if we control our own media, we get to put the images out there that that is respectful to see, that show black men doing these type of things and not and they don't be in the hands of individuals that don't have our best interest because it's still the Willie Lynch syndrome going on, because they want to put out the people that that's not so doing so well

or going through the society, but they don't want to highlight and showcase the lines of the Balls, the Steals, the James and the Melly Mills. They don't want to do that because then then they got to change the subject. That's the topic has got the change the way to how we are being defined in this society. So that's why it's important that we get on stay on code, and we gain access to our own controling our all media. That's why when I'm doing the Hood Postman, I always

say I take individuals that turn negatives into positives. That's what I'm interested in exact. So Linzo Ball, we need you want to show a big dog, I'm gonna get actual people. He comes back that he come to speak that truth, man, because we're gonna get you on here, bro and get your flowers. Wingo gets you on here to talk about that because that man is a great father and he's a great us. I'm gonna tell you, I'll fought with that little show. That man's wife had

a stroke. He take care of that woman, built a little park in the backyard. He take care of them kid, and he loved his keys dog. What's wrong? You know if he hadn't took care of her, she'd be dead based on how the medical people treat our people when they go in the hospital, she'd be dead by them depending on them people, right exactly. That man took that safe circumstance in that situation to his own hand and said, I'm gonna get these bugs. I'm gonna get these alternative medicines.

Where are that, I'm going to get my wife. I'm gonna take care of my wife. Don't don't worries. I don't need y'all. Hill, let me take care of this because you know what I told somebody, and see this is what I mean. That's why getting me so piste off when I see us attacking each other. As soon as the man had put his own his sons all had their own clothing brands. He made their own tennis shoes. The first thing you see niggas, oh them shoes. Utherly

they're too expensive. Oh man, ain't nobody can wear those. It's like, man, why don't you just if you don't want to buy them, don't go buy. But don't try to stop everybody else from supporting the brothers. They want to do some ship and that's the biggest problem with us. Dog another black man that didn't look like man, I

shouldn't have bought ship, but we we support well. I don't buy them motherfucker's by Michael Jordan's motherfucker by tennis shoes because they want to they want to look like that. They got tennis shoes out there five six dollars today. I wish you would. I wouldn't, I wish I would, But but check this out those y'all. I'm gonna tell

you what motherfucker's will do. What's his name? And them um, she and them could call us niggas behind our back and could do all this ship put the um put the depict the black people with the watermelon and the big lips and all that ship. They can do that ship. It can come out to day that goof she hate black people, the motherfucker's still gonna sell a big in dollars works ship to black people because guess what, these punk ask rappers go stealbo water wear the ship. These

entertains little steal water wear the ship. So there for them kids will water wear because they don't give a funk at the end of the day. At the end of the day, niggas hate niggas. Though I really believe that alright, James say she was gonna say, I said, it ain't. That is we don't understand how much problem we have in our neighborhoods, in our community. We you know, a liquor store couldn't stand there, couldn't stay open if we didn't go in that motherfucker. You know what I'm saying.

We got motherfucker's and liquor stores coming out and point guns at you. Get the funk out of my store or away from the parking line. This is part of our neighborhood. But we we support the motherfucker's still and you see if they could walk right past you after they're talking all that ship and don't want to serve you nothing, but we're still walking. That motherfucker's throwing by. That's a real ship. That's that's that's that bullshit is

on us. We gotta see how much problem we had now y'all won't be here if we didn't sunk with y'all. So let's not funk with him. Let's get him out of there, because they ain't bringing that money back to the neighborhood and helping with the school or parking. No ship like that. They're taking that ship back home or back to their country. Yeah, that's some real ship. You know. He helps everybody, but but us, we don't help each other. We don't help us. And you know what I do

want to do and I want to be example of that. Man. On another note, this kid had reached out to UM. I think he reached out to all of us on Instagram. Right. This kid is twelve years old and has its own clothing brand. UM, it's the Resign twenty four. They sent you some stuff, James. Now, yeah, they're gonna be sending you to check your imbox on your thing. They gotta clothe you, gotta cloth brand Resigned twenty four. We go post some pictures of this stuff on our Instagram page

and stuff like that. But he sent us, He sent us all individually a package. And I'm hook you up because that mama been trying to she's probably trying to get actually, James, but this kid is twelve years old, man, and designed this stuff. The mama asked me when you supported I know this ain't the perfect thing of it, but he got some those stuff. Man twelve years old got a clothing brand. How would I look like? Yeah?

How would I look as a brother? And the older brother this preach black excellence, to deny him of that, you noticed, to expose him to people in our platform and stuff like that. Man, I thought that was incredible. So shout out to re sign man. Y'all gonna check his page out and everything. But at the serial wo Mac. That's his Instagram page in a s e er wooll Mac. The man and I just thought that was real. Like,

I thought that was incredible. Man. I said, this dude twelve years old and got his own clothing brain and actually, yeah, now I see it. Woman. He actor, he young kid from Long Beach man out there doing this thing. Man, shout out to him, Man, we appreciate your little brother. Keep going STROMP. You know, but if we start supporting our own man like and I keep telling people, I don't say it a couple of episodes and hopefully we

can do it one day. If every black man, woman and child in this country decided two days, we're not gonna spend no money with nobody else. If we go to the grocery store, hell, go to fifty four, go to the Missing Story. You know what I mean. We're not going the Walmark. We're not spend the money. On target on mcdownalds. I'm gonna tell you this motherfucker would be shut down. They would have to bow down on us, but we'd not ever be able to do it because

it's always gonna be a motherfucker's saying. Oh, I don't give a funk about that ship that nig is talking about over there. I'm gonna go get my coffee, but I'm gonna go over and get this. I got another question for you and James and m Hopefully you guys get up talk about it or at least give us some insight on it. What do you think about these rappers that claimed neighborhoods, they claimed tribes in Compton, l A and Watch. What's what's your take on that? You

know what, man? You want to go first, James, this is what I think about it, man. I think brothers need to be true to who they are because the real cripts and bloods. I know the rappers they made mixing to hear in these songs, but it ain't they whole thing. It ain't they whold. You feel what I'm saying, They don't go overboard with it. You feel what I'm saying. I know one of the biggest um blood exists in the game. Man. That's where I've never heard this dude

say blood one time. I ain't never heard James say blood before. So the real king that's got what I'm talking I'm talking about the dudes that grew up in these these uh suburban homes, that grew up in upper middle class asked suburbia, never knew anything about the game, but somehow got got only made a think uh hit record wrap and then they decide, well, I'm gonna go to Compton and I'm gonna go claim mob. I'm gonna go claim cent Town. I'm gonna go clain Proof Town.

I'm talking about those in the business. A lot of guys, A lot of those guys, they sit back, listen to your MTV raps and then just like this, they figured out they have a challenge. They know the rap, but with the talent going out there and trying to get a record deal, get sound or heard, motherfucker's realized they need a image. They need to the image that you see with with most gangster rappers. They feel that they

need that, so they reach out to the gangsters. Let's say you know, a certain individual knew that he didn't have an in him too pull it off and do this. So I needed real gangs that I needed these motherfucker's to make my dream come true. You know, rap, whether he didn't rap, whatever, he knew that he had to have that image. And a lot of these cats coming from Beverly Hills, these white boys want to be rappers. They know that they need an image. They need to

go to a hood. That's the only way they can pull it off. And the money played a big part of that because a lot of the guys in the hood don't gonna have a way out already. So what why shouldn't not let his motherfucker slide in and and play that party, payed forward that and and that's and

that's what my point is that that's blind. But we need to get a nune to score your agreement from you, so we don't get to get to Kasi six nine by you if you decide to go the other way, because we need to be compensated in a way that fits this tribe situation. You know what I mean, Because you all this money, but then you want to run away from the circumstances you play it self. Destruction is already in the hood. We already got our fingers on the destruction button. To be a hood and to be

certified in the hood. We should never allow motherfucker's to come in our motherfucking neighborhoods and perpetrate anything a rapper, uh actor or whomever. If you ain't coming to my hood to say I think you got talent, let me put you in the movie funck having niggas come and say, I want to be from your hood. I'm gonna go thirty thousand, They go ten thousand. I want to be from the hood. What he do out there represents everybody in that hood, just like just uh six nine jakasshu

think that that dude did. The homies opened the door for that ship, and then now they allow it because the money has blinded us. Now that ain't no hoodship no more. Now now niggas is on survival mode. Now niggas are doing fifteen and twenty in prison because of the consequences because we allow people to infantrate what we are and perpetrate what we are and they're not. So

it ain't uh six nine, motherfucking fault. It ain't sure knife fall, it ain't it ain't none of these other guys that in the hood trying to be from the hood. They don't want to be from the hood. They just need the hood to get big, right, So they're using the hood for a purpose. That's all it is. And but motherfucker ain't and and broke bread in the hood and spill no blood in the hood. You could never be a lott nigga period. You can never be. I don't give a funk what you do and how much

money you got because he's not here. It's not here. You don't even know how to think like a motherfucking gainster. You can perpetrate a fraud all day because then niggas ain't looking because they already got their blind bowls on because they're getting paid. So when the ship get real, then that's when you see the real that was really in them, that was something for in an alien to

what you had. Survival mode is a motherfucker. Anybody, anybody that feels threatened and see that the ship is coming, they're gonna either crawl up, they're gonna ball up, roll up, or they're gonna try to get the funk out of there, or they're gonna give it up. Survival motive is a motherfucker and it comes in all shape, size and forms

the whole mine. If you ain't something made, if gainst somebody nature, not by choice, If you don't understand what you are and where you're going with what you're doing, you ain't ship. You ain't ship you. You're just walking into motherfucking on the in the dead alley. One way to go, one way out. Now when you get to the end, and then had to come back, what you're gonna do, because you know these motherfucker's at the end of this motherfucker waiting for you. They don't they don't

even anticipate that. The niggers that they they're rolling with got tune stone mind so sets and grave yard dispositions for real, for every situation. The two motherfucker's that they sought out and they looked for to get to help them get to where they want or help them build their their their their repertoire, whatever the case might be. Them the two motherfucker's in the hood thinking we hustlick, we're gonna talk this, and they got this paper, we're

gonna get this money. Y'alla, y'alla, And at the end of the day, everybody that tried to do that and back by it on their ass, yea, and back by it on it because number one, ie, motherfucker's what I think I should give you. That was when I'm down for us. We got what we what he thought we deserved, of what we was gonna get. It was never intended for us to get bitch or after hood. It was only intended for us to come and and and and school him on what he wanted to be and what

he wanted to see exactly explain. Yeah, So that's that's that's what that is. And and you know, I just think that if you're from the hood, man, the certain rules that you just don't allow you don't allow anybody to come in the hood because it's a disrespect that every homey that died on the block right in prison should let him come in infantrate or portray to be a thud nigga and we know he's not right right right or that ship and and talk about nigga. This

Santana nigga. You're from Milwaukee. You ain't never been in the hood, you ain't never broke bread. How can you claim this? How can you put that on your body that's not for you, and that's disrespect you. Every hoomi that's won't get and living, every nigga that even thought about being a cripuck blood should be mad at that ship. We live our life. We wake up put on not drawings. Something. Niggas won't even wear blue underwear because they so blooded out. Something.

You don't even put on the red t shirt off or use red toothpage because they're so cript out of lowed out. But you're lit uh, light skinned version of Michael Jackson coming this motherfucker and say let's beat it, and let's this, let's work. And now you don't dodge your motherfucking hair. Now you don't play this nigga game. And now you man, let me not get started. Man, it ain't working. Man on that note, Man, that's a perfect way man in this man, Milly mao, Man, we

appreciate you coming in man and sit with us. Man. Man, let me give me, let me get my info out there. Man. Yeah, but that's a melly man on the Hood po Man. Go follow me on YouTube, Instagram, the Hood Postman on Twitter, Twitter, The Hood post Man and Milly Gibson on Facebook. Man, be sure to follow me, man, I we're gonna get this same popping man. We're gonna get it together because big still James m c a man. They stay on cold Man. Thanks the chronic post right the shore. And

we appreciate you. Man. We got James, you know, I know it's a little bit and he was about to say some movies you're gonna say migg No. I was just saying, man, everybody got to hear Millie Mayo. When I first heard you, I was like, this motherfucker he got he got some hood knowledge he understand and not for the people on the outside, but the people on the inside and the hood mail. These cats need to hear that that that voice. These cats need to hear

that knowledge or what the hood is. I appreciate that, James, man. They need to they need to get it because a lot of cats is walking with depends halfway off their as and don't even know why they're doing it. These niggas ain't taught ship, ain't learned ship. And that's why gag banging is fucked up today because they don't got and they can't absorb the knowledge that you're putting out there.

They don't understand the ship and I tell each and everybody, Man, don't wait till you fifty seven years old to say I give. Man. I gave a long time ago, but I didn't know how to. I didn't know how to throw my hands up and surrender my brothers. But now that I know, and if it is what it is on that man, I said, both of your brothers. Man, I'm about with James mcjo still an m c A tonight. We have special guests in here. He's the former CEO of No Limit Records. Mr Toben Corson. Are you doing

like Toby Hey, are you doing? Norms? Good to see still. Thanks for having me on the show, man, I mean I've been waiting. You got all the all the hottest, hottest people on the show us. So I was like, Man, the fact he reached out to me to be on it, I'm I'm blessed and I appreciate that. Oh for sure, Man, We're glad they have you on the show, Man, because you know, and looking at the No Limit chronicles like everybody else in the comfory at the time when it

came out. I think, like everybody else in the comfort the time, I was, you know, binging No Limit back in the day, just like everybody else. Yes, how did you initially hook up? What was your background? Like, how did you guys like connect? Well, you know, I was in UH. I was in college radio, spinning records and UH. I actually UH was doing a show and this is about ninety two, and I had my god brother used

to UH used to work at the foot locker. He was the manager at the foot lockers, so he used to go in there all the time and my tennis shoes. So I was trying to do a show and had a rapper dawn out on me at the last minute, and I just had to be talking to my god brother and he was like, man, I got this cat master P. I know he'll show up to do a show for you. And I hadn't you know, I didn't know who he was. I didn't know what, no anything about him other than I just needed a rapper to

do a show. And he came out. I had a couple of dollars, put a couple of dollars in his pocket. But he came out here at the T shirts and did a cool show. And then we met each other and kind of just hit it off. So we just kind of kept in contact during that time, and I would do He would send me stuff and I promote and and play, you know, play music on the radio and that kind of stuff. He'd had to send me these cassette tapes and I played these cassette tapes and

I do some giveaway stuff. And that's how we kind of built a relationship. And it wasn't until it is when I kind of came off board and just really started working working for No Limit in a variety capacity. And then at that time in I had already known St. Charles, who Forty's uncle was always sending me promotional stuff for me to promote, and I was promoting Forty and The

Click and all those guys. And actually St. Charles was the one who had told Pete man, you really need to get Tobin to run the label and be your manager because you really need to show that kind of professional business side. And at that point he just said, yeah, you know, let's do this. Because I had already cultivated

a good relationship. I had all these ideas about marketing and different strategy and how to how to get more positioning in retail and really how to try to sell records without necessarily having that radio play and going through college radio and get and kind of building that buzz and building that name. And then at that time when St. Charles reached out to and St. Charles was talking to Pete Man, you really need to get with Toben. He's the one that said, Okay, you're gonna run the label.

You're gonna be my manager, business and personal manager. And and that's kind of how things kind of took off from there, because if you look at how no limit was structured prior to that point and be coming out board, he put out probably about seventeen different projects that no one was really checking for. And then when we got together and we did the Ghettos Trying to Kill Me and then we put together the West Coast Bad Boys,

that's what things started to take off from there. Let me So, what do you think it was that wasn't orisonate with the people about Peas music at first? Well? I think it was. You gotta understand that that he quite didn't have his have his own sound. If you listen to all the old stuff prior to the Ghettos Trying to Kill Me, production was it was okay, but

it wasn't really at that professional level. So when people would listen to it, they were kind of like, well, they would listen to it, but they weren't really like, Okay, I gotta buy this record. And I think what happened was when we started to to work with folks like you know, Al Eden and Keim Franklin and really start developing that West Coast sound, that's what people wanted to listen to. More of what he was doing, like e. A.

Ski and his production. That's when people started really like, okay, this is we taken our production game to another level. And then people wanted to hear what he was doing because he sure seemed like he came out of nowhere.

So he had seventeen He had seventeen full length albums out before that, but they weren't full leaks, but they were singles, EPs, albums, all kinds of projects he was doing prior to So, like anyone who watches the No Limit Chronicles to see, it started off from a retail store and it was doing shows and opening up for people and doing promotion and it took a it took

a while. It was years. So if you think about eighty nine, when when when No Limits started to ninety two, when I kind of came on board to ninety three when we started to get regional success, and by the time we came out in ninety four with the West Coast Bad Boys, that's what put P on the map nationally. So even though it was a West Coast record, people from the Midwest and Pardon the South started to want to check out this West because bad boy sound and

what what we were doing. So let me ask you this, when did you guys first realized that she was something? I think when we did that, I think you know, P always had belief in himself and what he was doing. I think what we realized when we had something specials when we did the Ghettos Trying to Kill Me. So if you look at the Ghettos Trying to Kill Me album, it was P M bad with this woman. Uh it was King George was in the back with a gun,

kind of portraying the ghetto. And when people saw that concept of the ghettos trying to kill me and we did this record called to eleven, uh talk about Robin liquor stores, that's when we started to see we have something.

And then what happened was there was this guy that was going around robbing liquor stores, and he was robbing h people at a t M S. And when he got arrested, he had told people that the master p record to allow then is what made him go out and rob these people, because every time he listened to the Red before he robbed people, he would go listen to the record or you have to record and take that, and he was listening to it before he robbed people.

So then at that point is when folks started to really know who we were and we started to kind of build that name. So that was really you know, when we knew, like, wow, we have something. When we got when we were affecting people and their cool thought process and what they're doing, and we started to be in the newspaper and on television, and that's when we knew, okay, we could really make something big out of it. And peace also he started to kind of form his own identity.

Absolutely at that point he started to realize, you know, because because before that he was kind of taking a little bit of sound from this artist and that artist and wasn't sure which direction to go. But by the time we did the by the time we went through that process and did that record to get us trying to kill me, and then we started to put things together for the West Coast Bad Boys. That's when ultimately we knew we had something and things were starting to move.

And by the time we put that West Coast Bad Boys record out and it hit billboard charts and it was on for consecutive weeks. And then next year, what everyone's calling us and wanting to do something with this because we had we were not only were selling all the records, but we were on the billboard charts. That's when folks started to kind of just say, Okay, master P is doing something different and what we're doing at no limited special? What made you guys go in the direction?

Because I noticed on West Coast Bad Boys and stuff, you guys were working with a lot of different producers, most of the big area producers. When was it decided? When do you think it was decided that they would go to route and bring them like a beats and by the pound, like like who decided that? Well, I think it was lower about having a home bed. So if you looked at master P, master P had was sell records up in the Northwest and Seattle, in Portland, in that area in the Midwest, so you you talk

about Kansas City, Missouri, Iowa. We were selling records there, parts in the South and parts in the West Coast, and to make sure we had a home base, because if you think about most popular rappers, they have a home base, whether they're from parts of New York or they're from Newisiana, they're protected wherever they have a home base.

And at that point, he was kind of an outsider because he wasn't you know, he didn't sound like a West Coast rapper because he had he had this real Southern accident and he really, you know, even though we spent time in in Richmond and in the Bay Area, he represented the Bay Area with the West Coast bad boys, but people didn't really you know, know he as being a California guy, because all the California folks were like, oh,

you're not from out here, you country. So going back south was I think, well, ultimately what we decided to do, and even bringing off Beast the power that has to do with with with Mr Sturvan and his relationship with KLC and then also Moby Dick being peace cousin and then building a relationship with me and X. We knew we had to have that Southern sound. But the reason why we went to the South was to build that

home base. And then, just to be frank, a dollar went a lot further in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee than it did in California. Like I could spend five thousand dollars in California and that's not gonna get you as much as if you spend five thousand dollars in Louisiana, Texas, Mrs Sipia, Alabama. So from a financial standpoint, we had more to work with from a budgetary standpoint in the South. He was from the South, so he wanted to go home.

We spent a lot of time down there, his relationship with me a x uh Serve on KLC Moby Dick. It just made sense that we do something with the South, and the South had that really deep base, that sound that we were looking for at that time. Man, you know him coming from the Bay area, like you said, he sounded like a Louisiana kid. So I'm pretty sure

it was some kind of resistance if there. Did you get a lot of hate in Bay Yeah, I would say I would say not from the fans, but some of the artists had a problem that P came on the scene. So think about this. We do the West Coast Bad Boys. We take all the popular rappers on the West Coast throughout the Bay Area and we put them on an album. We put Master P Presents on the top of that album. So everybody thought Master P was the leader of all these folks. So who do

you have on there? You have folks like for Sacramento, like c Boat, you have Jay to the biggest figure. You have the delinquents. Uh. You know, when you start thinking about these artists that are on we had Rapping Forte. So all of these rappers that are popular in their hoods, and Master P is presented as the leader of this crew. So at that point we put all these records we are we get on on the inside of the West

Coast Bad Boys. So people were like, man, he is representing the West Coast Bad Boys, and that kind of built that built a name for us. So I would say that there were artists out there was just like, man, who did he think he is? He's not from here. He came here and he's solidified himself with the fans by being, you know, the head of the West Coast Bad Boys are leading the West Coast Bad Boys. That's dope, man. So y'all moving units now, man, y'all starting to sell

a lot of Rigords and everything. Yes, the attention from the Rigord labels coming out right absolutely. Who was the first one, who was the first major to hit you guys up? Well, Big Beat Atlantic was kind of rushing out us pretty hard. Uh M c A was contacting us, our c A was contacting us. Um, you know, Universal was in the mix at that particular time, but Big

Beat Atlantic was probably that the label. And Craig Common was the one that was pushing so hard from Master Peak and what you know, ultimately P would have actually signed with them. And I probably the whole thing was he was ready to sacrifice the Master P name by getting money from Big Beat Atlantic, and the whole plan what he wanted to do was he was gonna take whatever money he was gonna get from Big Beat Atlantic and put that money in the silk the Shocker and

put that money into No Limit Records. And I was the person who said, We're not gonna do that, doesn't make sense. We can hold out, because I believe it or not. C murder and King George wanted to beat me up because they was like I was messing with their money, because we were looking at a pretty decent sized amount of money. So what we did was we kind of rolled it out. We rolled the dice on doing the next record. So after the West Coast that Voids came out and we were hot, we did another

record called ninety nine Ways to Die. So when we we we he probably if we wouldn't have did ninety nine Ways to Die, he may have signed there if I wouldn't have said, no, we're not with this whole doll let's hold on if they were going to give us actually a lot of dollars but a small percentage

if we hold on. And this is out that we had met with uh Leroy Bobbit, who was entertainment attorney and uh he was he was a partner at Loebe and Lobe, and I met him to a guy named Gary Reeves who who is executive producer of a TV show called Give TV with Blair Underwood and uh and one of the Bush daughters. He's the one who introduced me to Mr bobb It and Mr Bobby was kind

of explaining what kind of deals we could get. So between him and then I had some conversations with folks like Wendy Day from the Rap Collige, and they bolger kind of saying to me, like, you know, here are

the different type of deals. Here's the production deal, here's an artist deal, here's and I kind of just said, well, look, and we're selling all these records now in dependently with no distribution or with with our distribution national distribution, but no no real mechanical arm like an Atlantic Records, or no real mechanical arm like a like a Capital or

a Priority. Just imagine if we could hold on own our masters and then start driving business and all we need folks to do is just to make sure they're in the in the system and in the retail store. So when we turned down the big beat Atlantic deal, we connected with E. A. Ski. We started talking to Priority, and then at that particular time, we did a deal, a distribution deal with Priority to do all of our to do our albums. So the Ways to Die album was out, it was on the Billboard charts. We had

success with the West Coast bad Boys. Priority was really focused on the next album, which was the t r U True Album, and the Dallas South Hustles, and that was really what they wanted. They wanted the true album in the Dallas South Hustlers. But the end, the real thing was like the ice ting on the cake was the ice Cream Man was the one that we knew was gonna be a big record. So that each title that you guys have started working on, the ice Cream Man that far in advance. Yeah, so we had already

did the artwork. So one thing about when we were the one thing we always did, we always did the artwork on the inside. So any album you saw nine times out of tend those records weren't recording yet. So what we might do was do one or two songs. We record some stuff and figure out which song is gonna go on which album. So at that particular time, the ice Cream Man wasn't done. In fact, we at that point we hadn't even done it. We hadn't done

one song. We have gromoted the ice Cream Man so much and we promoted the down South Uster so much that the distributors, the retail stores were waiting on the album like they wanted that. They wanted that uh ice Cream Man, and they wanted that South Husters those albums were We were promoting those albums one two years in advance, and people were kept waiting on the album. So that's

really what it was. So by the time we did the distribution deal, which was fifteen split, eight percent for us the percent for them, they were already waiting on the true album. They were waiting on the down South Husters and they really wanted that, uh, the ice Cream Man album. So yeah, so let me answer this for the people that don't know out there. When he went to Priority Big the Atlantic, they wanted to give him like an artist deal, so they was giving front loading

with a bunch of money up front. When when you guys took the Priority deal, assuming there was no in front money. No, So originally there was no advanced money. It was we're just gonna do a distribution deal. What came after the fact when they wanted to start these albums, that's when they came back and they wrote us to check. So they wrote us to check for some money, and then they really wanted to downs out Hustler album. That the question was how much do you need to get

this down to a Hustler album done? So once they gave us money for that, and advance for that. That's when the percentages went from to eight twenty, so they took five percent. They took five percent that in order to advance his money, to finish the UH, to finish the ice Cream Man album, to record the ice Cream Man album to down South Husters. So we pretty much did t r U album, the down South Husters. Ice Cream Man mea excess project. Ki had a EP. She

was doing the whole no Limit thing. Man's just sex one of those interest stories because it's a few good stories that like Rag Richard, you know, the country Boy goes, the Big Signal strikes of rich Man. Yes, y'all had an incredible thing going, but eventually to start being some distinction. Do you think things changed when the money start really coming in. I mean, I don't even know if I don't even know if it was just about the money. I just think what happens is when people are concerned

about you know, you know. I think ultimately it wasn't even about the money, because for for me, I was all in on what we're doing, because I believed in

what we're doing. I think it was just had to do with people start to wonder, um, you know, who's who's saying what and doing what, And there's all this talk about whose album is gonna come out next, and and whether they want to you know, do their own thing because their album is not coming out for for several months, and we see other people being moved up, and I mean, you know, there's just that whole you know, at the end of the day, people get frustrated by

where they are and what place they are in their position. And I think that just was the that was the dynamic of the frustration of you know, where where my where, where's my place in the label and where that goes. I think certain artists were probably frustrated financially about where money was going and where they think the money ship win. But at the end of the day, you know, it was No Limit. Master p was the the CEO of

No Limit. I was the executive vice president and manager and ran the label and managed him and and pretty much managed the artist. It was a family affair, and like anything, when you when you bring money into the falls, it does kind of create this this kind of this kind of dissension in the ranks. But it's also how are we communicating when people's projects are coming out? And what that looks like. And there's sometimes there could be some frustration around, well, wait a minute, my album is

supposed to come out at this particular point. I got bills to pay, I got things to do. I'm ready to blow up. But then I might be moved down on the down on the packing water and because for whatever reason, maybe it's the sound, maybe maybe the the idea or the ideas or the projects, or people are asking, uh, distributors asking, or retailers are asking for specific records, and people get people get moved out and peck and more.

It happens like that and tomb your label too, right, you know, my I'm was supposed to come out and then it gets on the shelf for several months and you don't have the right style yet, so we're gonna push you back. All of that thing is kind of how it works. Well, you know, you can get on our website at Tobin tel b I N Coston, c os t e n dot com. You can follow me on Instagram and Tobin cost and that's probably the best

way to connect with me. But if you go to my website Tobin Costing dot com, uh, people email me. You can email me on there, and I usually get back to people pretty quick via email or phone number. I will just tell people leave your phone number, because I'm good with text and calling. I'm a little bit better old school with picking up the phone, with calling people and having the conversation. I mean, that's kind of how we connected. And I try to get you. I

don't like doing the whole Instagram thing. I get people. They don't ask for the numbers anymore. What's your Instagram page? And it's like to take my don't remember and call you don't take those in there. I don't like, well, you know, I usually if people get at me, I don't have it where it notifies me, so I gotta clog on there. But I used to tell people, you get all my if you get on my website, you

reach out to me, I will email me. Most people don't email me their phone number, so I just tell folks all the time, email me and email me your phone number. I will text you or call you, and so we get out of a conversation and that's, you know. I try to get back to everyone, and a lot of times people be like, WHOA, you got back to me? And I did that even when I was at no limit.

It was really important for me when people people sent information to me pick up the phone and call for mail them and let them know and give them feedback. Especially when folks are giving me demo tapes. I'm always real big about Hey, somebody sends me their demo tape. I want to make sure that I do my part and at least get back to them and give them give them feedback good, bad or in different and not

just asking. Because you just let me into a question, how those demo tapes that you got in how much good ship did you find? I probably would say one out of one out of twenty, so it was that five percent. Probably one out of twenty. I find something that I'm like, okay, there's something here. Um. Sometimes you find something that's just a dominant erupt. There are a lot of artists that we got demo tapes for when we did the Downstop Hustlers that we were like, whoa,

these are underground cats and they sounded good. Let's try to do something with them. So I would say probably five percent of the time, there'll be a bunch of people would send your stuff to be like whoa. But I always got back to people let them know what I thought good, bad or different. Like I would always tell people, you know, just keep working, keep blinding, or I would tell people like, hey, this is not for us,

but I would just encourage you to keep working. I always told people to keep working, even if I didn't like what they were doing. So did you So you just say you put a couple of those cats on the down so down South Busters. Absolutely didn't you have one of any artists that we know from no limit that kind of came from the whole demo tape thing. Well, more than likely p KO who was on the Down South Busters. This guy's Protectas was on their twenty to life was on there. Uh, we got their their tape

for their demo tape. Uh. The other one was CCG Scala Citygs from Kansas City. They were on that Down South Hustlers and they put out a solo album. They hit bill Board. So nobody really big. But there were just artists on there that we got that were that were talented, and and we put them. We put them on and did some did some projects with whether it was the was whether it was a compilation or we put something together. We did shows with them, you know,

and and that's really the key. You got a good style. I don't care if you you know, you're recording on the four track cassette or you're doing something digitally high end. If you got talented, it will show. Yes, Man, I appreciate you sitting down with us tonight. Bro. Absolutely, Man, I appreciate you, and uh, you know, I always love what you do. And just to be part of, uh one of your shows with all the legends that you have on man, it's a it's a complete honor for me.

Oh Man, you a lection yourself. Man. I can't wait, Man, I can't wait. I can't wait to show the world we got cooking up. And for the record, it's not nothing on that derogatory about masterp. We're not that. We're talking about token story because every story has two sides. We out of here. We appreciate you, token, I appreciate you, guys. Be safe, Thank you well. That concludes another episode of

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