EP 110 The Maino Episode

James and Bix Fails from the Streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, the production of My Heart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. Make sure you download the I Heart Apple, subscribe to the Gainst Chronicles for my Apple users, hit the Purple Michael your front screen, Subscribe to Against the Chronicles and leave a five star rate in the comment. We to welcome everyone to another episode Against the Chronicles podcasting with My Homeboys and Man to Day.

We got a special special guest man. We got the homeboy may No Man All the Way man from New York Man, you know NYC man. That's my spot man. That's my second home. Man, shout out, what's up? Man? You know what's good? What's up? What's up? Fellas are you doing? And we're good? Man? Man, we just out of your chilling man, you know doing what it is we do. Man, I just want to say this. You got quite the reputation out there. You want the real

ones for show? Hey man, you know that. I mean, we come from real place, you know what I mean. And anything we had to do, we just had to do it, you know. You know what I'm saying. And since since we keep it all the way g on the show, we ain't gonna talk about none of the beat downs with the smackings that don't happen in the past, you know what I mean. But one thing we alas gonna go back to. We gonna go way way back man, because um, you did a bid. We're gonna go tip

a drug dealer. So what you did a bid for? You know back in the day, you know you did a bid. You did a bid. Man out there, you know it's gonna execute something that didn't go quite as as you playing. But when you was locked up, you found out that you had some special attributes about yourself. You actually learned how to rap in a hole. That's right. That's a fact. That's a fact. I never I never had no you know, inspirational thoughts about being a rapper.

I was always a fan. I wasn't, you know, I wasn't. I was a fan of music period. You know, you know, um when the West Coast started to take off, and you know, I was in prison when when m C eight, you know, and um, you know Minister Society came out. You know, we was, we was all fans of that. We we we we watched Tupac Rise, we watched everything happened in the Death Row and all that, you know.

But I wasn't inspired to ever be an artist. I didn't start rapping as I was actually, you know, in a in a hole one of these times, and you know, spending a year in there, and you know some guys that was rapping on the gate and it was a Friday night, and I just was just like, man, you know what the next you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna get up the next morning and write me my first rhyme, and I just I started just to do it out of out of boardom just just the past the time.

So that's how I started to develop and do that. Oh yeah, man, I know coming from the streets, man, real street niggas kind of looked down on ravers, you know, real street niggas. Sol did any of your homies trip on you when you came home talking But I'm gonna be a rapper now? Was They kind of like, man, what then you're talking about man rapping? See, that's that's the thing. Like, So I come from a place where it wasn't fashionable to be a rapper. It was like rapper,

you rap, nigger rapper. So it was I had I had to keep it a secret for my guys, you know, and and I had to keep it. You know. I just wasn't coming on the yard and just rapping because you know, it was just not the thing to be doing because like I said, you mean, we know, it wasn't always fashionable to be that. You know. I never looked up to artists in that way. I never looked I never idolized rappers in that way. I didn't look at rappers and want to beat them, you know what

I mean. I was more infatuated with the other side of things. And you know, so so what I did was because I didn't want to just spring that on my homies. I kept it. I kept it to myself for as long as I could. And and I you know, and because you know, my niggas loved me, so you know it was I got to a point where I was like, yo, I think we could do music as

a as a hustle. So I had to present it to them like as an idea of a hustle, as an idea for us to try something different, because now we're in our twenties and it's like, you know, we've been out here doing all this ship for all these years. You know, we were throwing our lives away. Let's try to do something different, you know. We we we've seen what when music has done for you know, for hustlers and dudes like like holding up, Like we could do

the same thing. We come from the same neighborhood as like Big In and J C and stuff like that, so we could why not, you know, and a lot of a lot of cats um come from the street aspect. I mean, we looked at that ship as a hustle. You know. It's a way to not get caught up by the one time, you know, a serving or serving ya on the corner, fucking when we serve some rhymes, because I see niggas is making money from that ship.

And especially if I can talk about the neighborhood and put some tails in the streets of ship, we do on that aspect. So it becomes to the hussle like the d you feel me exactly exactly, So why you can't be a gangster and start rapping and you just said one of those real cats that's on some real gangster ship and the ship that you're spending out there, people perceive that because they know what type of cat you is. So why you couldn't just bam, just be

that nigga? I mean, you know you you are who you are no matter what you put on later on, you are who you are. So if your core is you know you you're a stand up dude, and you won't be a stand up dude no matter how you how you uh, you know how you put it. But to me in the beginning, it was it was just the way I just had a I guess, you know, um insecurity on how I thought people would perceive me, you know, and plus I wish I was a lot younger, you know, Um, but you are who you are after

a wild though. When when when the music starts to become profitable and you start to make some ways? You can't do both though, Oh for sure, it's definitely hard. You gotta pick a side at some point. I mean, you are who you are as a man. But at some point, you know, when it becomes a business for you, you have to. You have to. You have to pick one one hat over the other. Yeah, man, And that's the thing, man, I want to go back. Man, when you first got locked up, man, because you know that's

on this show, man, That's what we talked about. Man, we try to really Kelly's young niggas. This out here ain't nothing inside of that motherfucker. Everything's going on out here really. You know you're trying to go in there so bad just to try to get a reputation and everything. Man, when you first got locked up, man, what was going through your mind? Man? When you like, what the funk? I can't believe I'm cut up in this dumb ship.

Um See for me, I was I was, you know, for lack of better words, I was I was at risk youth, so I had been getting in trouble basically, for a great a great portion of my young life. I had been going and you know, been in you know, juvenile detention and you know division for you and group homes and you know a d T schools and stuff or whatever they had for you. Like I have been

gone through that already. Spaw fit um. So you know, you know, growing up the way I grew up, you know, going to prison almost felt like you expected it because it was everything that you've seen around you. You know, all of the dudes that you respected have been in jail. Everybody that I looked up to have been in jail. Um, And you almost expected to be one day in that situation because it becomes natural because of the environment that

you win. Because the environment is aggressive. The environment is is violent. You're selling growths, were shooting, and the police is gonna come at some point. We expected. Um. But my prison experience, I hated prison every day. But you know I got into a lot of trouble in there. Um. I am gonna hold you. You know, I got into a lot of trouble when I was in prison. I was in over ten different prisons, some of them twice while I was in prison. And that's a hell of

a lot of different prisons to being you know. So that's just a testament of how much trouble I I used to get into. You know, I spent almost four years in solitary can from it. So I was I was a knucklehead, you know what I mean? And you know I wasn't. I was definitely not one of the you know, one of the model inmates. You understand, you know, I stayed and I stayed in the ship so um, but I hated and I hated it every day of it.

And I knew that I wouldn't um when I whenever I did leave prison, I knew that I wouldn't leave my spirit in there, you know what I mean, I wouldn't do. I wouldn't do. So I had us about who I was. I wasn't gonna come to jail and become something that I wasn't. I wasn't gonna come to jail become and involved myself with you know, homosexuality, involved myself with and become a drug addict, you know, become up,

become a jail house snitch like these. Because I felt like if I did any one of those things that I would be leaving my spirit in prison. So you know, I still tall. I did whatever I had to do. Um you know, I shook it up many many many times with many men, and and I'm and I'm here, and I'm here to show it with all my scars,

bro Blessed. I mean, that's that's the transition that we we like to present the people, you know what I'm saying, because they hear there, they hear gangster chronicles, and they feel like we want to advocate for all the negative ship that we that that that comes with that word. But like I tell people when we conversate with Needers on this show, it's about the transition and coming out

on the other side, you know, doing that. You know, a lot of us was products of our environment of living that bluff life or gangster ship or selling dope or whatever. But to be able to stand here today, you know what I'm saying, it's a lot of ship that motherfucker's don't damn. You ain't supposed to be here today.

You give me, you're still supposed to be We're supposed to still be in prison for about twenty something more years, or we're supposed to be underground, you feeling, so to be able to show people that it's like myself, like you, like James, that we're able to come through the other side clean. You know what I'm saying. Uh, it's just the positive impact that we try to let people see on gangster chronicles and then we're able to be strong black men today and not be mislaid by pitfalls of

the neighborhood. You know, because as young dudes, we all see that ship is glamorized of banging or representing or being like you said that knuckle, especially as a young motherfucker going to prison. You know, that's like earning your stripes right there. It is, it is, and then you know you're you're impressionable, and you know, you know like you you're impressionable. And then you know, you know one thing, like I'm not letting nobody hurt me. I'm not about

to be you know, I was. I was. I thought I was somebody in the street, you know what I mean. I thought I had a reputation in the street. I'm gonna protect that in here. All means you know what I mean? And what what you you? You you live and you learn and the thing about growing is that you once you get an opportunity to live and you see how important life is. And then you see how you know, some of the things that you thought and some of the feelings that you had really wasn't really

what it was. But you just needed that time. You just needed the opportunity to live a little so you can broad in your mind and you can level up, and you can you can look back on your on your younger years. You can look back in your teenage years and you can see that, man I was, I was. I was so destructive, you know. I you know, that really wasn't the right way to go. And you know so now when you you know, like myself, I got an eighteen ye old son, So now I was imprisoned

by the time I was an eighteen you know. So I because of my experience, I can better, you know, got him because I know the pitfalls. I understand what it what it feels like to be a young teenage black male trying to find yourself, you know. And he got it way easier than I did. So you know, it gives me that much more of an inspiration to be to be here and and and to maintain what

I'm doing and keep it pushing. Bro. Yeah, it's especially in hip hop man, because what I've been seeing over the this treeing over like the last teen years, man, and where you got a whole lot of talented young artists that's going to prison. Like you just had Bobby's murder on your show. You know, he had tied his career. He got this big gass record that don't took off, and he couldn't even enjoy the fruits of his labor.

And I'm pretty sure the Ricord company could have posted a bill for this nigga did something for what they don't do ship. They kind of turned their back on him and then profited off all the chaos. You know what I mean? Why do that? Dumb? Why do that? I think if if if you turn yourself, you start doing wrap and then you're good at it, and then you go in the street. Just like you said earlier, you can't do both. You can't be a gangster and

and wrap it at the same time. Do what you do and and now you got an opportunity to leave that ship alone. So that's when we should know. Okay, I got a bag up from your fellas, and everybody that's in your corner should should have your back at that time when you try to transition from a gangster to to wrapping to make money, So why go belly

mana jail that that only enhanced how he think? So you think they should have left the young brother and then they did well, well, well, well, well, not to cut you off, but specific to bothering them situation, A lot of a lot of what was going on with them was that they they had already had issues and it was already you know, um underinvestigation way before he even popped off. So you know, it was a likely like a you know, a likely chance that he was already gonna be on that path to go to go

to prison anyway, because they was already on him. I think the issue is is when artists have the opportunity to become artists to get money to you know, to to to feed their families, and then become criminals later, that is hustling backwards. Because I always felt like, you know, we was in the street not because we wanted to be, because we adapted to whatever whatever environment was. If you speak to any any any real dude you know that's actually really be active in the streeting it, whether he

and his late twenties or early thirties. He don't really want to be there. He don't really want to be there, Like like we did what we had to do because we felt we adapted to our environment. We became savage because that was a response to our environment. Like how do you how do you get an opportunity to become a star and then become a criminal later on? Like that,

to me, it is kind of productive. That ain't really what it was because you had every opportunity to be what you say you is now prior to that, and he wasn't participate, you know. So I think that that's with the with the differences is when we see a lot of these young dudes become something that they really wasn't laid on. Yeah, you see it all day like um, and that's more the thing like you said, Bobby, And then was in the streets and I know a lot.

I'm pretty tapped me in out this, so I know they was already doing their thing because Glasses was telling me about them litt niggas. I managed Glasses Malone and he was telling me about them little nigga's way before they pop thought and he was going out there messing with him and stuff. So my My thing is this, Um, I see a lot of cats out here. Now. My problem is with the guys that make it then decide to come then decide, oh, I'm gonna beat this gamester.

I'm gonna go get jumped in and I'm gonna go to the coast. You see these cats all the time, come out here and get caught up in that ship. They get caught up in the game ship. They come out here and they get on with a bunch of niggas that really ain't working with them like that. But they got money and they got some influence, and before you know what, they're getting their cribs broken too, and

ship and all the little funny ships start happening and everything. Um, do you ever try to holler at some of these niggas mainly wanta tell them, man, look you're hustling backwards. I mean, you know you gotta you gotta be careful you know how you give your advice, you know what I mean, because you don't. You always want to maintain

a respect level. You know, you you just can't be the nigga just running around passing on advice because then you're just like you know, niggas could see that as you being just too preachy, you know what I mean. But for the ones that I actually have relationships with, for the ones that you know that we actually call each other and we actually you don't spend time around

each other, you know. Of course, we get into conversations where you know, I try to tell them that the opportunity is greater than the problem, and I try to give them life lessons and stuff like that. You know. Yeah, And I think the biggest thing you know, in talking to talking to the big broke James all the time, and just different castes. I know, Man, it seems like the hardest part man, for a guy that's come out of prisoners, standing out of prison. Indeed, indeed, I got

a book, um that I'm coming out with soon. Um it should have been out. I've been working on this but for so long. You know. It's called the Auto Freedom.

And what you just said is a testament to you know, um, something that a lot of people not talking about, you know, the conversation about prison reform and reforming you know, repealing laws and all that is is is a great thing, but there's there's also the conversation that I don't feel like we're havn't enough, and that's the conversation of all dudes are actually not knowing what to do when they get back, you understand, and not having as many options,

not having so many opportunities, And a lot of it starts with the way you're thinking, you know. So I put together a book, you know, it's sort of like my version of a of a forty eight Laws of power, you know, but it's based it's me speaking to my street niggas and my niggas that just you know, either it just came home or was about to come home, and it's my philosophy and my views on on on the steps that I feel like should be taken or

could be taken to maintain your freedom. You know, because before you can be successful at any anything, whether it's some rap shit or anything to do with entertainment or whatever it is, you gotta be successful at being free. So a lot of that start with the way you think, and the way you think about your moves, and where you think about your freedom, and the way you're position yourself.

You know, it's going to determine how you how you you know, how you how you turn out because how many of us have been been watching dudes go to prison for the last twenty years or whatever, you know what I mean, and he just can't get it right. So, um, that's something that I that I'm that I'm coming out with soon. Well, it's almost designed for him not to

get it right. You figured. You get a cat that comes home, you know, especially the homies that's been in for ten or more years, even five years, you come out, it's a whole different motherfucking world you're behind. Yeah, what what makes you makes you wake up? It's not even that it is I call a penitentiary propaganda. Uh. You make a lot of a lot of this. You make a lot of I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that when you're in the penitentiary or ain't coming back

here no more. You make a lot of promises to yourself. But when you smell the different air, when you smell freedom, you you're going right back to where you came from. And a lot of us don't pay attention. Before I walk out of this door, I've really got to make this decision and where I'm gonna go this way out that way. Nine times out of the time we are thinking like that because I didn't did through years sitting down.

The first thing I want to do is go get up in something next, gonna hang with the homies that everybody know them out. Now once you do that, everybody coming to you on the homies. Just get out of the prison. Now you feel like that penitentiary celebrity. You feel me now out Now you're hanging and before you know it, you can't. You can't grab that grip again and saying, Okay, damn, I'm supposed to be following protocol and I said I was gonna do this and do that.

You ain't thinking like that. No more penitentiary propaganda. Thinking about one thing. But you've got something else on your mind, and that's the homies, that's the hood, that's the chicks. Now you get somebody to lace you with a little something something here, This will hold you over. Now you all you you're back in the streets. You know what I'm saying. And before you knew it, you're on the violation. Now you're down. That propaganda is coming right back. Hear you.

I shouldn't have did this. When I come home after this year two years, I ain't gonna do this. And then you find yourself right back in the same ship. So it's pretty much lying to yourself while we're in prison, and then when we get out of prison, we're so happy to be free, we go right back to the same bullshit. So being in prison, you gotta be honest with yourself, and you gotta know where you want to go once that gate open and they give you that

little money to walk out of there. I've seen it done, I've done it. I've been out of prison since the night and haven't seen one since. So I know, and I knew, and no female gonna bring me back to prison, and I ain't gonna let the homies bring me back to prison because there's nothing in there. Once the CAVI. Once you realize that, I can't nobody send you back

to prison but yourself. M yeah, because once once you realize the kind of the cards that stacked again, the deck is stacked against you anyway, because you figured you get a nigger to come home, right, he got every intention he gonna get back with his baby mom's. He gonna go find him a job. He gonna get him

in this little job. Right. You gotta lie on the application because they ask you, have you ever been a felon and you know, so you you haven't been told no so many times, you finally say, fucking I'm gonna putting on this motherfuckering See what happened. So you're working at the job, you get you a little gig. You're there for two or three months, and they come back and say, hey, um, yeah, your background check done, came back funked up. You gotta go. So you're doing this

two or three times. You get frustrated because you gotta broad at home and she's been holding you down, probably sending your commissaries ship all this time. So now you're at home. You ain't became nothing but another bill for this woman. At this point, she's taking care of the kids, she's taking care of this you know. Now she's taking care of you. So it's like, you gonna go do whatever the hell you gotta go do. You gonna have to Hony frank you a sack. You're gonna go do

what you gotta do. The next thing you know, you're back in there. It's almost like the whole probation ship, and we don't talk about that a whole bunch of times, and this show it's like a big trick bag Wow, that's what that's Well, you gotta look at it though. You know when you come home the peniti you're still gonna wear sooner or later. Yeah, it's gonna be sucking

her like you because your fresh out. Um, she's gonna get tired of that and she's gonna be used to it, so she goes back to the same ship she's doing. Who want to take care of her own as man? And so we gotta figure out us being black people. We don't want to work at taco bit. We ain't gonna work at the bullshit. That's a job. Not thinking I'm just coming from the penitentiary. I'm gonna take whatever the funk I can get and I'm wanting them cats.

I'm not doing that, that and that if you come from that the hood, like yeah, I got a name and you're supposed to be something ship, So you're resulting in the fun that something to go back to the exactly, come on, that's what you want to go back to. So coming home and then trying to do security being a security guard at at Walmart at night are somewhere like that. It's only gonna last ninety days because you've got a record and I was lucky because here comes

should you know what I'm saying. They ain't gotta they ain't gotta put on the uniform, but the uniform I got exactly my my my representation from the neighborhood is my application. That's verified. I ain't have to fill out ship and you don't have to do too much of nothing. But then that type of ship to send you back to the penitentiary because going into the industry on the on the outside of it, I'm not a rapper, just just a force. You know what I'm saying, can send

you back to prison. But no, if if, if, if it's here in humantality, I'm not going back to prison, and I can't let down when you catch send me back to prison. Then that that makes you above the rest of them, because this is where everybody thinks we're supposed to go. I'm not following you there. Yeah, you know, and speaking of you know, speaking of Sugar and all of them, Man, you got a solid reputation. I got a whole bunch, we got a whole bunch of mutual

homies and stuff. And I told him, I said, hey, man, we go how that. Mainly it was like that's gonna be a good dude, y'all show, you know, talking him about this net and everything. What do you feel about the rise of the gangs in New York? Not that you gotta you know, I ain't necessarily an opinion, But that's kind of crazy, ain't it. Yeah? You see, it

started in prison. I was in prison when it started, and I understood why it was starting, you know, Um, you know it was it was a time when um, you know a lot of the Hispanic brothers, you know, they was ganged up and you know it was it was, it was it was an error where you know it was it was it was more or less kind of

dumb against blacks and we wasn't unified. So um, for my understanding, you know, and Cet, a couple of brothers got together and was just like, Yo, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna ban together and and that's that was the start of the Bloods and it and it became what it became. So I understood what it what it was for. And you know that that unity that that was needed in that era. Um, you know, it became, it became

what it became. You know. I never I never was involved with the gangs, because that's not the ver I really come from, you know. Um, I'm just maybe a couple of years before that, you know, and it was it was cool to be able to stand on your own and have your name on your own and not need nobody or not, you know, not go to jail

and become this or become that. You know. So, uh, it is what it is right now, bro, Like you know what I mean, I wish it was a lot more leadership though, you know, I wish, you know, especially in my part of town. Like I wish it was a lot more solid leadership, you know, because there's a lot of things that I feel like they can do. Uh, and it could be more more useful doing, you know, if it was if the leadership was better. Yeah, I

feel that, man. And that's I think that's all around the country, dog because these you know, these these young niggers, man, they kind of think different, not kind of they think different. I think they do before they think. You feel what I'm in And when you don't have that big homie kind of leading you, it ain't numb but destruction and death to fund him, guarantee. But that's right. See, we

was young niggas, and we didn't. We didn't, we didn't think you know, So I understand that aspect of it, you know, but when nowadays, when it when the when the big homie is not is not even as smart or as intelligent as the as the little homies, then

what what do you have? So when your big homie is never never amounted to anything, it's never you know, uh, surpassed things in life or is not experienced enough in life, then then all you're gonna have is destruction, you know, And all he's been doing all his life is spinning in destructing, then that's all he gonna So he's gonna get food too, so he's gonna give birth to the same thing. Yeah, it's the blind leading the blind. And you know, really with the aspect because you know, like

I said, we are always young niggas. At one time and as far as we was on the West Coast, we didn't have you know what you would call that that that leader structure in the games and ship. I mean, even though we were all together, it was like you know, you stand on your own. Even though we watched each other back and we together ship, we didn't have like just one main motherfucker controlling or structuralized in the neighborhood game. So I think as far as we were on the

West Coast, it was different from us, way different. We had big homies. You're gonna always have big homies because you you got those guys, you followed us older than you. But other than that, we never had somebody to shake, y'all gonna go over here, y'all this now, I wouldn't having that. Some neighborhoods, some neighborhoods did, but like my neighborhood, we didn't have that. Like the markets nuns of of yesteryear,

back in the days, they were leaders. They were the ones that put certain things together for their neighborhoods, and and a lot of cats followed followed that. But in my neighborhood, we didn't have the O G that's that's putting the ship together. The majority of our ogs work on some other ship going back and forth to prison just on GP. Couldn't even give that number back, uh drugs or some ship like that, robbery ship like that.

They wasn't sitting on the block the homies y'all sucking up, y'all. I didn't have that, So I didn't look at the big homies as I need to go get at these dudes, or don't do this because it's repercussion to it. I did what I wanted to do how I wanted to do it, and I had catch that ran with me and we put ship together. So we never had a leader. And I don't think it's whether you have a leader

or whatever title these you know people use. Eight seventeen years old, you can think for yourself, and a lot of cats don't think for theirself. They think they have to follow. Just like you said you wouldn't you weren't part of a game you was doing. You You got your reputation off of you. I called that gangster by nature and not by choice, because you found your own way. You stood up and and did you and people recognize you for you, not for the hood. But they recognize

you'll get down. So that's all that is. Man is I don't need a title to to fit in or feel like I'm part of the group. Every man needs to think for herself, but some some some neighborhoods they don't. Some neighborhoods do. And I would say our interpretation of l A we always kind of thought it was like, you know, because the word even even the word big

homie comes from there, right mistaken. Um, It's like you got the little homies at the big homies, and the big homies is basically the ones that's controlling everything depending on what said or what hood you know. Yeah, man, and I'm gonna tell you a big thing to fun. The big homies up all over the country was cracky, you know, eighty five through motherfuckering the early nineties and ships. You know, a lot of dudes went from you know, because you know, you gotta look at it like this.

In eight eight eight, you know, smoking the Primo were doing some blow with some ballership. You know what I mean. It was some ballers ship. You know, you see three you feel what I'm saying. That was some baller ship. You know. You had niggas who had the pinky rings. They you know, hit the one of these and everything was. We started looking because we was all drug you know, five six niggas rushing in the car all that ship.

So you got body was doing Sherman ships, niggas way on all that he's just doing seventy yeah the sermon, you know, so so drugs pretty much sucked up up. You know, drugs made a whole bunch of niggas rich. It got a whole bunch of niggas in the penitentiary, and destroyed a whole bunch of motherfucking lives, and destroyed a lot of the big homies and destroyed the structure in the hood. But it only affects you if you follow that, if you follow up one of those guylines,

then you ain't gonna want to do ship. You ain't gonna want to be productive. You ain't gonna do it, you feel me, So none of that shoudn't even matter. People just gotta look at it like I'm doing this. I gotta get down, don't buy no dope and didn't know you finished smoke that ship? You feel me, You defeat the purpose. But you know the thing is, everybody started out. I'll never funk with that ship. But I should see my older homeboys smoking in premos. A lot

of them, dudes, they were smoking the primos. Eventually that a premo was as a joint lace with some crack, some yeah, with some coke. Ain't in the premre mode. We call that ship a wooly yeah. So that's what Woutane Clean was talking about them songs. That's because that's the one that that Wouly ship. Yeah Smoka woa, yeah, you know, And so that funked up a lot of motherfucker's on the load. And you know, one of the questions I want to ask you, and you a guy

that's qualified to answer this. You coming from the place that you come from, man, and you first getting this recording industry, one of the most fakest motherfucking businesses in the world. Did the ship kind of like throw you for a loop a little bit? It did because I thought they wanted to see some real ship. So I started putting hands on that and I said and it was like, oh, you really did that. And I was like, yeah, you ain't want to see that. I thought that this

is what y'all, This is what y'all wanted. You wanted the real thing, right, you wanted the genuine article, right, you know. But that's not it's a goodness from exact, you know, because it's a lot of mentality was wrong. I was like, all these niggas is fake. We're gonna come in the game and just over aggressive. Just my mentality was long, and I wish somebody would have told me, really explained to me that this was really just a business and it was really just about images, and it

was really about marketing exactly. It's just it's just what it is. It's just that because you because when you do some real ship and you and we scared your and we scared your money away, your motherfucker's will be ready to cancel you like it ain't ship, Like oh god, damn, this motherfucker is a real nigger. This motherfucker. They liked to pretend ship and they like the facade of what

it looks like. But when they run into a motherfucker who were really running and kicking your no one pull a pistol on and slapped the ship out of motherfucker, they get no good. They back then, but then they still want to make money off the ship. Well, they're gonna make money off you as long as you you You you're valuable and you gotta always have some value, you know. But the thing is you, you you can

mess up a lot of your opportunities not knowing. So a lot of a lot of a lot of a lot of me bumping my head in the industry was because I was coming directly off the streets I was. I was coming from Prisident and I was from prisoner. I went back to the street, and it was just like, we're coming right out of the street right into the industry. So we don't have the game or we don't have nobody to really say, yo, look, let me sit down and really give you the game for what it really is.

Because you you you you're intelligent, but you need to just shop in a couple other things. And you know, had I known that then, I would I would uh, I would not have cut off some of my opportunities early, you know. But I figured it out, you know, as time went on. You know, it's it's it's just a game man, It's it's marking in you know, it's a it's a business bro. Oh yeah, it's definitely a businessman.

And I think it kicks, you know, I don't know, some talented dudes, man, some talented brothers that street and came in the ship and really just lost their mind because it wasn't what they thought it was and they wound up not being able to progress, you know, and it's like you just can't. It's so funny. And I told somebody that cats like the Takashi six nine. They are producted all the bullshit. They are product of all the bullshit. That's the ship that got created by the industry, man,

because you figure these kids seen that. That's the biggest thing though, man, Because I see a lot of people coming to this thing, man, and it ain't what they thought it was, and they get disappointed because they meet niggas that they thought was that. Dude, and you meet them and you're like, damn, I'm disappointed, because yeah, yeah it is. And I feel like us being niggers though a lot of times we were our heart and our emotions on our sleeves and it wasn't really designed for us.

But I'm gonna tell you, for me, the moment that I stopped, I stopped taking things personal is the moment I started to do better. The moment when I figured out that that the industry and the people that that that inhabited are not like me, and they don't have the same values, they don't have the same preciples, they don't have the same integrity me and I'm gonna be offended all the time because they're gonna always do things

and offend me. The minute that I stopped taking it personal is the is the minute that I I was able to progress a lot more because I was like, it took I took it, took the emotion out of everything, and I wasn't women you know my emotions. I was like every time somebody said that day was gonna call me and didn't call me back, or you know, stop

answering their phone. Those things drive street is crazy. Like if we can't take that because we did, trust me, trust me, because I'm gonna tell you we do with and personally we did with I, work we did with Nigga. Not hitting you back will make you want to go slap the ship out of there exactly. And if it's on some music ship, you gotta be just like you know something, fuck it, let me keep you pushing the ship. Because this is I don't understand the concept of where

I'm at with Nigga. Goddamn, you can't even hit me back or the respect that even just answering the phone call, especially I got to do with it. In this business, you feel when they don't come from the same walks of life you come from. This motherfucker probably sitting at his desk every day. You know what, I'm saying on some front, ship or people don't even some some people work their words not even important to them. So so certain things that's important to you, that's important to us,

they don't have that same value system. So then you you gotta measure your expectations on them. I can't expect him to to to to put value in his word when he wasn't raised to do so. If he was comfortable or grew up and telling lies or being deceitful and treacherous to people was the way that he was raised, and that's where he is. And we in the industry and in the game, it's full of that, you know. So like I said, like me, I had to start to measure my my expectations because if I didn't, then

it is driving crazy. You want to you can't it sound crazy on everything? Oh yeah, for sure. And one of my biggest tasks. That's what I had to tell big bro James. Right when we first started doing this ship. You know, you get a lot of people that call you, they bring up ideas and ship, you get excited, you get ready, and the motherfucker's disappear. I was used to that stuff me, you know, working for the publishing company

and just being management to being an industry. You know, somebody tell me something, I don't get excited to the check come and in some cases until that motherfucker clear, because I don't got a bunch of bounce and the ass checks before two. And this ship, you know what I mean, just ship. You know, it's like motherfucker's scheming and ship. But you can't take it personal, bro, because that's just what they were all else. And the moment you put your hands on one of them, Nigga's dog

will say something about it. The next thing you know, you're really not jumping off no more, like that shocked the ship out of this motherfucking get it over. Won't lie to me no more. Yeah, and I don't even think it's I don't even think it's so much line. Hold on one second, where's that feedback coming from? Close the door together? He got two phones together, My bad man nephew in here whiling out. Yeah, he's doing his mother for the thing. But that that's the thing. Man.

You can't take none of this ship personal. You won't have nothing going on because I know around the time that she was doing your thing, you had a reputation for slapping the shout of niggas, damn, and that's what we was here for. Hold on, bro, I'm sorry you got them. I mean that's what you're going, that's what's gonna do. I mean, like I said, if you come from some certain walks of life, I mean you're not

You're not gonna put up with certain ships. Man from Novody and especially in this this game of music and entertainment, niggas be on some funny ship sometimes and like I said, it just be too many niggas perpetrating to be real beyond phone face ship. And sometimes you can't even hold that ship back. Then your your the natural self come out and man, I just gotta check nigga. I just have to because this ship is uncalled for. Some niggas checked sometimes though, Yeah, for real. And you can answer

this if you want, too, mainly or nothing. Who was the nigga in the industry that just disappointed you the most? And you met this nigga you couldn't wait the meeting on when you met him, he was like this motherfucker WIENI. Um, that's that's happened many times. Um, It's it's too it's

too there's too many of the names. Specifically, it's it's you know, it's the saying that you shouldn't meet your idols, Bro, you shouldn't meet your heroes or because they never add up to what you thought that there was gonna be, you know what I mean. That's why mostique is the greatest thing. You know, you seem close with you really a fall so you know, um, yeah that happened many times though, Bro, Like, I'm like, this nigga is really a bird like bird? Yeah, that's bird that that that's

New York explained. That's New York explained the bird a bird bird as laking. Yeah, you know what the thing is though it's worth the opposite for me too. Sometimes sometimes the niggas I thought was when these I meet these niggas and were somewhere and track up on this nigga really with the business that happened to Yeah, you know, he just don't talk about it like that. And that's what I noticed. The dudes that don't put up that persona that's cool and everything, Like when you see you,

you ain't out that wilding. Now you're cool, you're personal, but you're a nice guy until you start some bullshit. Yeah, well, I mean that's because you know when you when you are, when you're comfortable with who you are, you don't gotta project something else. You know, you know you do, you smile, you laugh, you you know, you're humble, you know, you're just comfortable in your skin as a man. You know a lot of times, you know, you know how this

is is always a nigger. That's that's that's that's popping the hardest or ice cream and the strongest. He's probably the weakest. Well, I tell you, I tell you this. I give props to the niggas where every thing I thought he was. I was a Ghetto Boys fan coming up, big Ghetto Boys fan. Willie motherfucking D is the nigger on the records and the nigg in person, cool brother, cool nigga. I don't meant a whole bunch of cats like that. There's just like everything you thought they was

gonna be. And I actually saw him put hands when I nick in Texas one time at a restaurant. Willie D got hands, you know, So he was everything I thought I was. Man and I'll miss the dudes. It's like disappointment. I'm like you, I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna get a political hands. It's been so many I choose not to name him, you know, but you know, let's come back to this music ship, Dog, because you would, dude that wasn't supposed to get what you got. You know, you came out and you put out a big ass

motherfucking record. You came with the hater record that had the clost banging, because that was a big record out here on the West Coast, Dog, I had, I had my biggest record is only Above? Oh yeah, yeah, all was bigger? Yeah of course, yeah, All the Above was your biggest record. But they funk with you out here though, Dog, Yeah, yeah, I spent I'm I'm in and out of l A all the time. Yeah for sure, Man, when you make sure the next time you go out here, we could

do this in person. Yeah. So it's yeah, it's certain niggas that come into the industry. Like I said, I don't listen to a lot of motherfucker's, but you know, may know you as a motherfucker I listened to when you first hit the scene. You know, I never listened.

Like I said, I don't like to listen to new ship because it don't be that that feeling of the yester years of ship while I came from But you you had often music like side I funk with a lot of New York niggas and they're funking with New York for a long time, shout out, want to get pret um. But you had that music, and you was one nigga that we out here on the West Coast gravitating it too, because you came from the same type of walks of life. Get me so expect my nag. Yeah,

you know. And one thing I want to touch you onto. You got a podcast, man, it's kind of popping, man. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Getchen talk man. We're doing very well. Yeah man, y'all pee that out too. Yeah, you got a lot of good You got a lot of new content on their Yeah, it up on that motherfuck Yeah definitely, thank you man. Yeah, y'all be cracking up over there, because I was talking to Chris Morrow about you. Huh. He loved him something he was talking, but he was talking about you. Man.

He thinks very highly that your dog definitely think the thing very highly. Man. So what's next, dog, Like, if we're getting some more records, like what's definitely? Man, I just I just dropped the project and UM and uh in December, but I've been holding some records though. Um I got a whole project Gune. I'm just trying to lock in this distribution and we're just gonna keep pushing, man. Um I'll be back on the West Coast and finished this movie that we were shooting on the West Coast

or l A in about two weeks. You know, we got the book coming, you know, more podcasts coming, and you know we're gonna keep We're gonna keep just giving you every every part of me, just in different components now. So now we ain't just doing music before. So now you know we're hustling on different different angles. Well that that that's where the game that kind of went to. Man, you can't just do music no more. It's like music don't almost became just like the calling card for all

the other ship that you've got going on. You're almost like a media personality now, right, music component, Yeah, you got to just be a personality all across the all across the board. Now it's not just about you know, the music. And the thing about when you've got other components is that when you're making money from the other components that keeps the music pure, like you ain't gotta chase after trying to make a radio record or whatever. You know, make the music pure and make the music

for your fans. You know, you don't gotta you don't gotta try to be in the race, you know, you just you just you know, stick to your call, stick to your fan base, and just delivered to them. You know that, And you make sure we get them ricords, man, because I might as well break this news now, man, we just got picked up for nine and nine markets for our radio show. Man, wake your punk ass up, um to make sure we get the rigords. Dog. You know what I'm saying that a media based and BDS too. Dog.

You know what I'm saying something important. You know what I'm saying. You can get that one spining with us is go count nine times on there, you know, So make sure we get it. You know what I'm saying that we got real Nicks playing ricords, now, Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to play some real ship. We ain't trying to play this phony ship. So yeah, we definitely need some good music and from from artists that we respect. You know what I'm saying.

I don't know bullshit. Like I said, people nowadays can't take criticism with their music. That's what I tell motherfucker's every day. Let me ask you this. So when he can't make good music, we can't make goods. Can we make good music? Can a bird make good music? I don't know that. They probably they they ain't. They ain't want that lifestyle, so they can't make our good music. Well,

you know this will about some phony ship, yea. And I mean they can talk about some stacks of money and pulling up in the Lamborghini and you know my chain this and my chain that make popping. But you know they ain't spent that realism about the hard walks of life and then they are struggling and how you had to come up and you know how you have to go to prison and walk this walk and walked his line to become the motherfucker you are to day.

So our just can't really talk that talk. Well, I'm gonna tell you this, dog, and I don't want nobody out there don't go take my little clip and turn into steals on the this and such and such. Rick Ross makes incredible music, but that is the most phony ship. I don't never heard of my life. Dog. It's like it's like watching the movie Dog. It ain't nothing real about it, but it's great music though you can't take away. Yeah. I like Rick Ross too. I love him. Ain't nothing

wrong with him. This is what I'm saying. Wants you to hear me out. See James like he about to jump on me about this. Dear me out. Yeah, but this is this is this is this is steals a pi. Yeah. This is what I think though, And this is one of the things that and I think Ross is incredible, dude. And Ross actually a solid cat. That's the homely that's my nigga. But Ross said ship that you almost can't compete with it as an artist, you know when he

talked about I'm with with the real Noriega. I'm you know, I'm selling a hundred keys a week and I'm doing this and that. Man, some of that ship is be kind of like overboard over the time. But that ain't for you to judge. I'm just I'm playing this me making my opinion. I ain't not gonna be success with that, all right. Let me ask you all the question. Man, Since rap being going on. Motherfucker's has been saying ship,

and everybody knew that you ain't living that life. Everybody know you ain't working with Gandhi, you ain't never met the motherfucker. Now there you go questions. So that means a bird ass niked with an active imagination can But this is the whole point. There's dudes who write books, right, some dudes write fictional ship that ain't you whatever whatever,

And that's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. And you have to break it down entertainments in the fucking taming and that's what I'm saying, walk of life at you come from. I'm talking to strip some real ship to a nigga, you feel me. But other than that, you have to take it for entertainment. I'm like entertaining your fucking ask. And I can talk about it because the real noriaga and I can talk about a hundred key loos and dope and I could see what I

watched from them, served or whatever. But you have to take it for what it is exactly. And that's why I said that. What I said was to prove a point because I actually with Rick Ross. Rick Ross makes great music has great production everything, but at the end of the day, this ship is entertainment, so it's only gonna beat. Everybody do a little embellish and I think just because it's sounds flying, you know what I mean, Like the nigger to say I had twenty bitches in

the bed of my toes. You know what I mean, You're gonna say he didn't like you don't know about every day get down. So how do you know I get now, Yeah, exactly, I don't know. I didn't know the real Noriaga. Hey man, I'm just saying you got sometimes you gotta keeps you know. I'm saying that this with this, with this show for it to get good things out of ship. You know, I mean, I ain't see anything. May No, did I sound disrespectful when I see it? Then no, I don't think it was disrespecting.

But it's it go back to what I was saying before. Though, like for us, like us coming from where we come from, a lot of times we don't we don't detach the entertainment from the real life. We have to learn to do that. Like like it was just saying, like it's dudes that don't come from the lifestyle. But they're great artists. They're great writers, a lot of street niggs blay oh Man, and they ain't living that life. At some point, it

don't even matter no more because it's just art. We gotta separate, We gotta separate our feelings for for what we what we think is real, you know, from from the actual movie and in the music is the movie like like he's like, they don't said stop taking ship personal. You fine, I don't because this nigga might have never sold a sack in his life, because I usually on the corner selling sacks. But I can't get mad because he's rapping about it. It's more funking money. Grew up

in Sartos or some ship like that. It never touched the dumpe sack. But you know about it. You didn't heard about it, you know, watching up movies about it. He didn't cousin them, went to jail or some ship. So I feel like I got the authority to write about me selling sacks. And I think that's what most artists get it from anyway, because it ain't been wrong with you know, if you don't have hardboys, you know, it's like this, I don't see it like, I'm pretty

sure James don't. I'm pretty shake James. Trust me, you are the inspiration for somebody's rapping music out here. Somebody ever ship this, let me ship this. Rappers are like actors when you get guys that that do their homework, listen to certain rappers and get that flow. And because some of them sound like somebody and they feel that they perfected that, now I gotta write about something they ain't never some of the Jim Catch ain't never left better,

something left here. So now they're rapping about something like you're talking about Rick Ross. Rick Ross rapping about something. We don't know what you're doing. But and you know people don't know, but he's perfected. He's making a lot of money. Why not just taking this? I mean as it is, and it is with music. That's what I looked at this because some of them young Chicago nigga sound like they really doing this. Ship They talked about

music that by his covering. Like I said, when you ain't next to a motherfucker, you ain't come from that circle. I just you gotta take it for what it is. And motherfucker make com music. I don't know what a motherfucker did he might have shot a thick at ten times, or he might have not did ship and saw the ship on TV last night, wrote a verse of body. But who am I to judge this motherfucker because you don't come from my circle. That's a real song. I'm

looking at you making music now. Whether your ship is authentic or not, or you're a real motherfucker, I don't know. That's to be judged by a lot of people. But I ain't got time to be fucking with your ship and trying to judge who you not. And then we go with that man, I say, he just sitting in the preserve and this ship. I ain't gonna say nothing. Hey, I'm just saying listen. It's it's like like I just said that. He said the same thing. You know what

I mean? When you're pocketing is what it is. It's entertainment, bro, it's entertainment. We we we we don't know how to detach you that outlook, because I got I got listening, I got I got homies that called me from prison that just don't get it right, y know? What's up with this nicking? These nick is talking on this that they really like that and I try to tell him, like, Bro, at this point, it don't even matter. We'll do it

matter because the fans is not based on that. Life is not based on that, you know what I mean. So it's just entertainment. Whoever's whoever's telling the story the best they could tell it. It's like it's life. It's like a act of just's like putting on his suit and getting in the movie. Right, yeah, and the reality ever else though, the fans don't give a funk anywhere

as long as that ship sound dope. Really they got a problem with it, then it's gonna be tested sometime, and then you see what happens when niggas got real. Niggas got problems with it, and they pull your card and test you because they think you that nigga. Eventually the ship happens and ship hits the fan, and some of these niggas end up getting popped or dead or

whatever whatever. Because Bragadocian ship that you it can get you a different place to be able to accept it as man, this ship is music entertained these niggas talking about they kill a hundred motherfuckers or whatever. Man, it's music they wrapped into a beat, whatever, cool whatever it. I don't I don't. I don't know what your real life is. Then I come from one walk of life. I know what I did, I know what James did.

We all think whatever. But on record they come on, man, that ship playing my card like some music nigga, and after it's done, they got cut it off. And I don't think you killed a hundred niggas because you wrapped about it on your record. Hell now, Arnold Schwartzenegger blew up a thousand niggas as a robot. You feel me, he ain't walking around this motherfucker like determinator. You can stop his ass too, like it ain't ship. You feel me?

So please, you gotta take entertainment for what entertainment is at the end of the day, Yes, all days. So man, where can people find you at? Dog? So what we're cann people find you at? Oh? Yeah, man, you know I'm outside. Brother May hustle hard on everything, Man on hustle hard on everything, Instagram, Twitter, whatever it is. Man for shore Man, I appreciate you come, We appreciate you coming on the show Man and when you out here on west Man his brother about loving hip hop. We're

gonna answer question, James. I want to know what's handing with Loving hip Hop. He's a loving him to know the fun is going down and loving You talk, you talk, You're talking about as far as me being all that, Yeah, I mean, how much of in this real? How much of it is just a strong well? I mean, I only have one explain is with Loving hip Hop? I was only on one season and and for me, it

was just business. It was just strictly business. They you know, I was able to get myself in a situation where they were they was giving me a nice amount of money to do it, so, um, I did it, um, but it was it was business. I never watched the episode that I was on. I never participated in actually promoting it and none of that. You know, um, and you know, shout out to the people that that did, but I didn't. I didn't look at uh doing TV, reality TV as being anything that I that I could use,

you know, for like music or stuff like that. It was just what it was. Was just a business moment. It wasn't your reality. One more question. You said you never watched, you never listened to an episode? None of that. I've been feeling, I feel the same way. I never listened or watched down podcast that I was done watch my apisode. I don't like watching me. Okay, I don't watch the so even even with my old podcast, I don't. I don't watch it the show. Did you look at

any other podcasts? Are you a fan of any other podcasts out there? Um? A little bit of everybody. I tapped into this one, you know. Um, I tapped into everybody. You know Gilly uh wollow my man Noor. You know I'm tapped in. I'm watching what's going on? I know I know about this. Join here. Yeah, some good people. Man. You come into podcast world right now. Man, you watch the Joe Button's podcast. You watched Joe button Ship not

really man? What you think about the dance to chronicle through? Yeah? He said? He said, he tapped in with us. I've been I've been tapped into this one, okay, I've been tapping for show man when we wus you too, a whale dog And when you out here man in the next few weeks. If you've got times, I know you come out here to work and everything. If you've got times, we are little to have you. But I don't know if you smoke or not, but eight smoke like a motherfucker.

And you know, I don't know if you take a pun or not, but we make sure we got some of that good. You know what I'm saying. It's not good a week for you and we don't we don't. We don't spoke, primo. So you ain't gotta worry about getting the laces. Yeah, you know movies out here, and you ain't gotta worry about the trick. And you're like, got manway like this, you know I'm saying, but we but we do got some good weed though. Good okay,

show man. But we appreciate you, bro, and sorry for the little delays early on the technical difficulties man, but we appreciate your dog man much bless is being to continue success man, for sure appreciate And this has been another episode the Gangster Chronicles. Man, we had mainly on here man today for epic episode. Man, y'all make sure y'all catch back up. What is next week? Sill we out we this motherfucker. Well. That concludes another episode of

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