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Well, this is how we starting tonight, man, This is how the fuck we're starting to ship tonight. Just having a good time to conversation amongst friends. Some ship we would probably be talking about on the phone anyway, you know, might as well put you out to the public, you know what I mean?
But no, for real, like do your audience really like when you started like this with the dates and shit?
They must they must saw. The motherfuckers got it like over a million downloads, So I would say.
So that just me and your audience got weird tastes.
Well, that just mean the motherfuckers have excellent taste.
Excellent.
They don't have excellent taste. They condosaurus, you know what I mean?
The thing about gangs the Chronicles, Yo, shout out to the Games of Chronicles audience. But y'all like for layming yon, but like this is the rib bods. Like if you had no ceilings, just the rip by, just that fatty side, y'all. Ship is all just the meat, you know what I mean. You gotta wrap bacon and rider to get some flavor. But like no ceilings is all rare by bone in tomahawk with the fatty part, so you get the flavor.
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for sure man. You know especially addition, man, a gangster rap chronicles for night Man with my homeboy glasses alone.
The funny boy, is this ship is gonn be a regular conversation. Like I'm not letting you do none of that professional Norman Steel shit you be doing with all your guests.
This ship right here is just gonna be have it now.
I'm not gonna go no ceilings have it because we need the sponsors over here.
Yeah for sure, man, somebody one of these shows gotta make some money. Man, We got bills to pay it. You know what I'm saying, you get a piece of this pay shake too, so shit, you should wants to have it.
I ain't hating, I'm just saying we're gonna play it above board on against the chronicles.
We was having a conversation earlier off air man as it pertains to DJ Quick and Doctor Dre.
I'm not having that conversation that conversation board. I just had that conversation.
But you know what though, and it's not gonna be a long drawn out thing. DJ Quick is necessary to the Doctor Drake ecosystem.
Yeah, but listen, I'm gonna tell you why this is a weird conversation to have publicly, because it would require people to have some experience in music, like if you asked the average person, like I got into this conversation multiple times where I tried to explain to people like Rick James was influential to Prince and Michael Jackson, right, And the reason most people don't know that is because they don't realize Prince and Rick James came out the
same year with they project, and Rick James had it hit first, right, which is Mary James.
And at that.
Time, Prince was really like this really brilliant musician who you could tell was classically trained, just this bad motherfucker, but he had like this weird kind of pop feel.
And Rick came out, you know that up State New.
York nigga was just the nigga, you know what I mean, and his shit took off, you know what I mean. So hints fast forward, you have Prince opening up for Rick James. You know, most people think Prince started with Purple Rain, and that's just not true.
It's four or.
Five albums in, like most people think Michael Jackson started it off the Wall. That's four or five albums in as a solo artist, right, So it's a weird conversation to have. I remember having that conversation that somebody was talking about the keyboard that Rick James stole from Prince, but then he made Super Free and Prince didn't have no Super Freak in No.
Nineteen eighty two eighty three. They have a cut like that.
So I think it's hard for people to look at it like that because they'll look at it Rick James like they'll look at Quick and they won't get the brilliance of it.
I mean, people look at Rick James like.
A almost like cause like a joke because of the Day Chapelle show. You know, shout out to Day because it ain't Dave Fault, but that joke was so well, you know, Cocaine's the hell of a drug.
That people don't think.
Rick was as dope because they like, well, he wasn't as big as prince in Michael Jackson. They don't realize MTV wouldn't play his videos at a time, man, MTV was breaking black artists to the whole world.
I would tell you this first hand as an old head, Rick James was almost like the first R and B rapper. He had like a rapper statue for almost like you know how gangster rapper has a certain stature. Everybody played Rick James in the hood Doog. Those were phenomenal records that were very huge in the neighborhood that everybody's house you went to they had that on they and you know we were spinning wax back then. Everybody would play
those records. Man, everybody would play those records, you know.
So so to have that conversation picking up from where you at, to have that conversation is hard because you asking a bunch of people who just consume music. They don't know anything about music to appreciate quick you know, contribution to West Coast it even a doctor dre like that.
That would be like understanding Rick James's contribution to Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones, Like, I had this conversation earlier too, before I talked to you, and I was saying, like, the difference between DJ Quicks Tonight and Doctor Dre's G Thang.
Is the music video.
Hip Hop is the first genre that led with the culture before the music, and most people don't trip off that.
They think it's just music.
But when Quick did the video for you know, Tonight, because Tonight was a huge song.
When I was little, it was big. But the video is.
Quick rapping in like a like a field of purple flowers with a refrigerator, and it's kind of hieroglyphic, kind of glitchy video. When G Thang is literally just la and all its glory, you know, the EESA highlights, lo riding, you.
Know, parties for Q's beer.
You know, so it was a hood party.
And it goes back to the same thing with Michael Jackson and Rick James and Prince The ability to showcase his abilities on MTV changed the career of Michael Jackson, it changed.
The career of Prince Hell. Most people don't know that MTV financed the Thriller video.
Yeah, you know what I tell you, man. The difference is with DJ Quick and Doctor Dre. I would say this, I would say Should Knight Should Knight was very influential man and giving Dre's direction, you know Old I'm gonna
take that back. Easy Sure initially, you know easy he initially he started, and I think Should kind of built the pun with Easy Saw, you know, because they came from a commonplace, so to speak, and they gave him that because Doctor Dray don't like gangster rat, you know, you know, one of the dudes that's one of the greatest, the most influential people in the genre, don't really care for against the rap like that's fair.
I mean, I guess it's some degree.
I would definitely say that if it was up to Dre, he would have probably been producing nas and you know some of those other type of rappers, you know what I mean. I think he's always wanted in the East Coast MC.
But I mean, as somebody who was born in the early sixties, you know what I mean, he grew up to East Coast hip hop, so that makes sense.
I mean, you.
Think about the sn some of the signings he's ad, you know, Rod Kim all the you know, the Trioca people from the East coast, I forget who was all in the group, so forgetting me Cormega Nis and you know, the firm, the whole firm thing, right. I think he's always wanted something like that to work. But his production is very much rooted than Funk. Well.
I mean initially it was like dope breaks, right, it was dope breaks.
But the death row time, you know, you could hear the Funk get loose.
And a lot of his ideas, the chronic you can see he kind of stuck his foot in the water. But I mean, I like to say he don't listen. Somewhere along the line, things worked out for doctor dre I mean, minus his years of studying. You know, he's even before you know, his single comes out, g thing comes out. You know, he's ten years deep in making records.
I think Doctor here is a phenomenal I'm gonna tell you what, Doctor Drake got a thumb up on a lot of people that too. What people don't understand is that Interscope was a label that was ran by a producer and an engineer. Jimmy Ivien is probably one of the greatest engineers of all time. I think people don't, you know, the average common person don't know that Jimmy Ivien was engineer.
Well, he was greatest, one of the greatest.
He was one of the greatest, dude, he was Bruce S. Brainstein's engineer.
I just wouldn't think of that as one of the best mixed albums. No disrespect to Bruce Brainstein's music.
Man, Bruce. You know, that's a whole different genre of music. So that's a whole different conversation. But Jimmy knows sonics.
Jim Jimmy understands Jimmy Jimmy bad as motherfucker, and.
Jimmy also understood the importance of having producer led camps. He noticed that he recognizes the importance of the producer. That's why if you notice that interscope for a long time when they were in they hate they when they had their successful run. He had gave all of these producers these imprints and let them, you know, kind of do their thing. He gave Timberland, templand had beat Club, Doctor Dra had after mathun Older Don had his thing
over there. So he was very much in the given producers because he understood you have to have a conductor.
I mean, especially hip hop. You know, starts with the DJ, the producers, so that makes sense. But even all the greatest musical labels, you know, Motown is you know, it ain't just Buriers, Smokey Robinson, Smokey Robinson and.
The Funk Brothers.
It's that whole.
Backing band that they was writing and making the records with.
You know what, that's the court, the chef, the cook is every dying Tenny restaurant that the actual recipe is important.
Yeah, Shug didn't make a record, dude, But I think Sugar understood the importance of the street aesthetics.
Well, I think Sugar was really a marketing genius to his credit.
Oh yeah, he was, you know for him to kind of take because I remember Snoop rapping before he became you know this worldwide Mogo, you know this worldwide just you know, major entertainer, probably the most the most popular brand in rap music.
You know, not you can say the greatest hip hop parties ever.
It's okay, you know, the greatest hip hop you know, the greatest hip hop artist every right outside of Too Short, But that's the whole nother conversation. But you know, Snoop's lung Chevy and everything all goes back to pointers he took from Sugar to Night. You know what I'm saying.
I think I think it's a combination of Doctor Dre's music and should nice marketing, right, sure, I mean, I mean I remember for sure, I remember Stories d seeing them talking about you know, it was supposed to be death Roll like Death Jam, and Sugar understood what it needed to be called Death Row right as far as the whole prison aesthetics. I mean, Sugar was smart changing Snoop's name to Snoop Doggie Dog right, and Sugar understood
that you needed to bring the streets. You know, It's crazy because I had a really deep thought that Boys in the Hood was instrumental in what Death Row was about to do from a branding perspective.
Like once they saw the success of.
Boys in the Hood being this kind of inner city movie, but it showcased certain parts, they realized at that point they had to really showcase the culture because before that you didn't see No Riders in music video.
They wasn't the centerpiece. But after the movie Boys in.
The Hood and g Thing came out and they had all them low and you would just see Los Angeles and all his glory, you know, the greatest points of it. So I think that was a separation between Quick and Dre at that time. I think the records were just as good. I think Tonight is just as great of a record as G Thing. I think Born and Raised is just as great of a record as uh, you know, Dred.
I think he made the right records. But I think what Dre.
And them did really well versus what Quick in them did is Drake captured the essence of the culture visually.
When you think about DJ.
Quick too, remember he directed the video for G Thing.
Yeah, you got to think about it like this too. Man one of the Quick's biggest records man out here in the West coast. Man, you know, outside of his classics, Man was a Tony Tony Tony record. Right, Let's get down record, Right, that was a phenomenal record, And I think that that showcase quicks range man Quick also, man had a lot to do with fifty cents record in the club then the club record. Damn if I can't do it record. You know, he's not mixing in there,
but he did put his hands on those records. And me be being in the studio, you know, me being in the studio real quick. I could hear certain things on the records, like he kind of got this. You know. He don't quantize his snares, just certain little things on those records that make those records special that the average person may not pay attention to. But that's just the stuff that makes him great. Man. He is very, very meticulous at certain things. Man, like his snares he actually
you know to where it'll be sound and fine. But just the way he got a certain swing to him, the way he coached the vocals in there. It's a man. You get a lot going in the studio walk quick Man.
Style, you know, a lot of mixing, A lot of producing is style. No, mixing is very much a part of producing, even though it's not credited that way. But it's all about style. Like Dre and Quick style is different. But obviously when they come together, they meet in the middle somewhere.
Man, that's my thing. Man, I'm gonna good days man on games to rac chronicles this year. Man, We're gonna make that happen, man, because he has to come out and speak to us. Man, that dude is just he's a brilliant dude. And I think a lot of times him not getting the props he necessarily deserves kind of his fault to a certain extent, to a certain degree, it's his fault because to me, these dudes man out here just don't produce enough records. I remember you had one.
You had a buzz at one time, gee, when you was a rookie in the game that was comfortable to the buzz the game had.
I wouldn't go that far, but it was popping.
No, you know, you was popping dog. I think the only thing that I think what would have took you to the next level man, was probably fucking with and Dre or something like that, especially being somebody from out here. Right.
Oh, man, I've had this conversation. I'm glad you brought it up. It made me want to talk talk to you about it. I think that's what happened to the West Coast, you know, like remove all the rappers. Let's just go with the foundation of records, right, what records or even in hip hop? Right, the producer, you know, slash DJ, keeps and continues producing artists. Right, so you know, let's start at the beginning, right, you got DJ Unknown doing nice team. DJ Unknown gave you compters most wanted.
Doctor Dre right gave you world class record.
Click. Doctor Dre gave you NWA and Ez DJ Quick produced himself. DJ Quick gave you Penthouse players.
Click.
You know what I'm saying.
So each generation is supposed to be scored by the producers, and what happened in my generation, in my class MC's the producers wasn't producing for us. You know, experience, you know, wasn't producing for.
Us because you didn't get the get you didn't get. And what's crazy is cool as you on Warren is you never got a Warring g record. You got a battle Cat record. You know what I mean? You got you got a battle Cat record. But I even think still you could have done more with him. And it's not for lack of trying. Bro. Them dudes just don't. They don't do the work. It's almost like they sit around man and they want to pick and choose what they do. Them dudes is lazy. That's why they don't
get the props they supposed to get. Man, And then they want to say people not fucking with them.
I don't know if it's lazy.
I won't say that because they do the work right, even Battle, Cat Warren.
Oh yeah, and those are great people. And this ain't no.
Snap, No, I'm saying they make beats every day. Like I talk to Warren kind of often.
You know.
I probably talked to war once or twice three times a month, you know, I mean, like I'll check in with Eman. But they he make beats all the fucking time. It's just getting him to take his fucking hand off the fucking beats, like let us have them like them and Cat, if they died them, niggas is gonna die with four thousand beats in the vault.
I'm not exaggerating.
Cat has hundreds of beats that just are shitting around.
Hundreds of beats.
There's probably some of his most incredible shit that ain't never been released. I'm gonna tell you the illest thing I've ever seen. Man quick play this one beat one day do they had likes and so, and it was the first time. Man, this was like before Kanye came out with Jesus Walks. Man he had like these. It was a marching thing in the background with a heavy aid the way up under right, and it was the craziest beat I ever heard. Man. He erased that motherfucker
dog because he couldn't get the snare on there right. Man. The tripped me the fuck out. I was like, why don't you put this shit out? Man? This shit would sound.
Crazy, But you know what, I know what that feels like.
Like I didn't know what that felt like probably four years ago, but I know what that feels like now, man. And like I did a record with Problem Problem produced with me and Mossburg going back and forth, and I could just never see how to finish the record, so I lost interest. Like, don't get me wrong, if you hear the rapping parts of it, me and Mossburg going back and forth is incredible, but the cores being satisfied with the coors figuring out how to finish the record.
I never, you know, was interested another finishing the record.
So I just let him have the record and he put it on Comport Story Part two and he did a hook and push sugar Free you need you know, he changed the dynamics of the record, which was cool to me. But when you get into this shit, man, it really matters. It really matters. It really matters, big bro, Like, how shit samd? How much work I do? I was working on the idea for this song called Freaky right,
you heard it. I end up talking iced tea too short, reaching out the bad body, you know, different people just to understand Planet Rock.
I reached out to Lil.
Egypt, you know what I mean, like little Egyptian liver, shout out to Chef Egypt.
Right.
I reached out to so many people to talk to them about, you know, how the Midnight Star, you know, figuring out where the Midnight Star see.
You know, Planet Rock happened.
Where did they see, you know, Egypt, Egypt happening for them to know how to adapt it into this R and B song, right, which is freaking zoid?
Which is operator, which is and this is what the game is about. You know what I mean.
The information may not even be usable, you know what I'm saying. It may not even be usable, but the thirst for the knowledge is what it's all about.
And that information happened to help me finish my song. Right.
But there's so many stories I know, information on that don't even matter at that time.
And it's no different than like a song like.
Tupac Mus DoD when when I asked, you know, dreda question like I was talking about making a rap record Shop.
I was barely rapping. I just started rapping.
Two three years before that, and the thought of it never mattered. The story never made sense to me until twenty eighteen when I developed the idea. So hip hop is all about this real thirst for knowledge. It's all about real thirst for knowledge. And if you ain't thirsty for knowledge, it's over.
It has to be man. You remember the conversation we was having with Uncle Hen. Shout out to Uncle Hen. He was supposed to be on here tonight, but I know he's in Dallas, so he got caught up. But you remember how he was telling you man, when we first started, when we was the young dudes in the game. You know, we had exit pre you know, pre exhibit before he blew the fuck up, you know what I mean.
This is before he even got with the liquor crew. Right, we had ras Cast and there ras Cast might have just this was before Rasy got his deal with Priority. This is when he was I think putting the sing was out through patch work, you know, he was putting out there. He had put out a series of twelve inches. That's how he actually got his deal with Priority. Right, he had the song where he had the dope ass shot a sample and they wouldn't clear the record. Man,
the won't catch me running. He had that joint, man, and it was like a boot camp in there. Man, it was a lot of rappers in their dog.
Shout out to bobcat right, because that's again another one of those things where the producers themselves right create the movements.
You know, the show all the best dope spots.
It was because the nigga that was cooking the crack had a style of how you cook.
Now, let me give you this look like just picture this dog and I think about it sometimes. Man. For me, that was just yesterday you had draging them across town making the chronic. At that time, we was in the studio trying to make art. You know, we had a thing and it was dope. See, it was a real dope fucking album, man.
Exhibit.
This is the problem with West Coast rap because the producer wouldn't get the money that he wanted dogs to do this shit. It just never came out. Dog, I don't know where those records. And to this day, dog Bob got a record where him and mc ring is going back and forth that some of the most incredible shit I ever heard. And if you heard that beat today, Bob got a record with him and MC ring going
back and forth on that motherfucker. It's just all going back and forth, no hooking that motherfucker, and I think they just doing like a like almost like some run DMC type of shit, but it sounds modern. The baseline, Bob got some of the funkiest baselines, and I swear I believe that's where Cat gets his influence from his Bob Cat's baselines. And plus Kat is a superior musician to Bob, and Bob just got funky baselines, right.
Drummer, Yeah, it's just.
Like this funky drums man and this like this this horn thing is kind of like it was just crazy. Man. I wanted to rap on that record so bad. That record made me step my game up because I was like, damn, I wish I could wrap that dog. Wren was on that And this is when Wren was in his prime. Like Rin was fucking shit up.
Me and Joey was just talking about every song that nigga fuck is somebody bitch.
Yeah, he was just fucking this. You know. Ren always had flows dog and then we had this he had this other song on there man where he had kind of liked and you know what's funny, dog, You can hear different songs later on down the line that might have came out of Dred Studio and this ain't no dish nobody, but you can tell they had kind of bit Bob like Tupac did a lot of work. Bob Cat was the first cat in the West Coast to work with Tupac. I'm the guy first got cat from LA.
Not the first guy, but he was the first dude from LA. Yeah. So Bob had all these records right that he had made for pop that files got lost on one like I'm gonna tell you one and Pooh wound up redoing the record right but outlaw moritals on yourself, great bout on to somebody greater than yourself. Trick that right there. Bob's beat was so fucking amazing because you know, Bob stays up in the one thirty two damnitar two
hundred bpm rings. Everything Bob do is kind of like just from a DJ perspective, and that record sounded so crazy man like phenomenon and even the one out of all of them records, Bob wound up putting house at me on there, you know what I mean. But he had so many records with Pop. You gotta remember. I think it was POC's second album. Bob Damnitar produced the whole first second album and one with him The Cube and Deadly Thread on there, pum Bis. How you're like
me now? I was in there when they was doing that shit dog Yeah, just ahm. And if you would have told me to date man almost almost thirty some years later, that that nigga would be a fucking legend dog, I thought Tupac was just a regular nigga. Dog Sure, sure that's there. I mean, like, you know, don't getting that's not no dis because he was a cool nigga.
I tell people all the time of real life, Park was underdog M.
He was, and he was a cool nigga. And I'm not gonna sit up here in front like oh me and you was boys and this and that. But that's how me and Psychic got coolure you know, doing all this. The Psyche was around during that time, like psych You know that song my Closest road Dog, That song is about Psyche. He was with Park the whole motherfucking time.
You can you can hear psych influencing Park, like when it doing the yay yay and all that stuff and making his voice deep into what it really is because Punk had a nice tone that when he talked anyway.
But man, a dude, you like influence, You like something I got from Bobe rest in peace. Bob is a prano right y, G is a U when I'm starting to beat qing is Ah, that's something like a pace set, like a soul set that I do it before my verse start. Yeah, Like that's Booby.
Booby was hard. Booby had swag like a motherfucker dog.
Yeah, it's that natural.
It's that natural ship that you get from people that don't really get a lot of credit.
Yeah for those that don't know, man, Booby is make tins cuz all right.
Yeah he did the hook on Rest, He did the uh life is driving Me crazy?
Yatimtamony. Yeah, Booby is like incredible. Yeah I missed.
He was a natural.
Yeah.
I mean and we be in the studio and honestly, I was probably Booby's biggest fan more than everybody. I just thought the world and I thought he had just like this natural style. I just think that if somebody would have took the time to produce him, you know what I mean, just stay on him, you probably would have had like one of the greatest, Like he could have been like the next great thing compared to like a snoop dog, because to me, that's who his style was.
He was like this natural dude that a freestyle ideas and he had this swagger that was through the roof and his confidence and they were just dope.
But then not having how he lived, Booby rapped like he lived. Booby was a laid back, hustler dog. And I remember one Christmas, Man, you know, I could talk about it now. You remember when that I forget what they was. They had to be the ps the PlayStations, right, Booby laced me up. Man. I gave Booby five hundred dollars.
Man.
Booby came back with me PlayStations. I had like two PlayStations, two TVs. That was when they had the Plasmas. Gee, the Plasmas first came out and he just laced me and I and I asked, how did you get all this shit for fire? He said, don't worry about the dog. You got laced, you got hooked up.
Booby is special man.
That was my guy man, Like, he's the first artist that that was a solo artist that I took to.
Like.
Well, I liked him, and I was like, I like him, you know what I.
Mean because I like him to dog. I don't think Mac knew what to do with him though.
Well I don't think that's really the question. Mac is a rapper, so it's not about it if he knew what to do. Again, it goes back to producers. It goes back to producers picking artists to produce. Like I was saying this to my home where I'm like, there's no way, like I get it. Maybe Premier, you know, shout out to Premier, but Premier should have some twenty year old New York artists that he's producing, just putting it out. It shouldn't even be about money. It shouldn't
even be about anything. Same for battle Cat saying for Ware, it's no way that these legendary producers. You know, this is why hip hop fit makes agism a real threat to a lot of people, right because somewhere along the line, the artists the producers decide that they're gonna not conform to wherever's going on to hip hop currently, like not tonically, but the business they get away from just the foundation of AI make music as a dope DJ and I'm
going to produce artists. Right, they leave that and you know, maybe they experienced success in the business.
It happened to Jelly world.
What happened in Battle Call where these guys are getting fifty and one hundred thousand dollars a beat and then that becomes the status quo. It's happening, honestly, big bro in boxing, where you look at some of the like the Deontay Wilder last fight. People think it's over for Deontay Wilder and know he's thirty eight, But I'm telling them, I'm like, he's a late bloomer. He started that twenty so he's only had fourteen years as a pro.
He's fine. Well, you know, he just he's not a great boxer. You cannot be.
You can't be a talented boxer whin le bronze medal, So he has to have some talent. You ain't gonna knock everybody out in the Olympics. It's the how much you fight. Those boxers get to a place to where they're making two million, ten million, twenty million, and what happens is they stop boxing often, and so you have a Dante Wider who's fought one round in twenty six months fighting against a Joe Parker who's a talented boxer that fought four times in eleven months, and rhythm catches up.
So it's the same thing for the producers, right, they get to these heights where they're getting fifty to one hundred thousand dollars maybe more a beat, and then when that time slows down, instead of them going back to the fundamentals you know what I'm saying of just being a producer or a boxer, they try to stay up here and then they pick and choose when they work. But guess what you get out of rhythm? Well, you know after agism becomes true, I'm.
Gonna tell you what happens to agism too. Your priorities changed like drastically, because first of all, you know, you get married and you got this relationship that you manage your right. You had this relationship, so you're trying to manage being a rapper and you know, manage your relationship right, and you start having children, your children start doing things like I'm gonna tell you football has taken more rappers from from from actual rap than than anything else that
happened with me. It happened with eight, happened with Warren. You know, you get sons that become, you know, very exceptional athletes, and you start trying to harness that and guide them and direct them, you know, through their phase
that they're going through. So the more and more you do that, I think you call it losing your thorns kind of you start losing that little age said you like, all of a sudden, you find yourself being that nigga to go to bed at nine o'clock every night because you got to get up and take Junior to school in the morning, and you got to take him to practice afterwards. So you just that becomes your thing to where. Man, I remember one of the last times, man, you was
with me, you and uncles with me. This when we first started on this crazy podcast, journey Man, we were supposed to go up to Dash's ready on interview Big sche he was actually leaving. He stayed on Riverside at the time. He was leaving Riverside and he called me to check in and I said, psych Man, I can't do it tonight. I gotta stay at practice with christ. We was gonna leave and go, but I wanted to stay at practice, right And that was my last time
talking with my homeboy. Man. He died like a few days later.
It happened to me with folk say rest in peace from west Side.
Yeah, man, that's that.
And I was supposed to do a song I'm calling him and everything he already didn't got murdered. There was such a sad thing happened to me with Payback Me and Payback finally start talking about doing some music and payback guys. And it's like, you know, I think about a lot of that stuff, even with sight because I remember you was going through that. But but there's still a space still for you know, the seasoned hip hop artists to exist.
But I agree, you have to find a space to make it a priority.
Like you might lose time for yourself because you do gotta be a husband, you do gotta be a father.
But there's time for you to still contribute to this culture.
You know of people that's looking for your for your opinions and for you to represent.
But you got to make space. And that's the important That's the thing.
Bro. People get married, dude and I'm gonna tell you, you know, you got a woman that you love, man, And I don't care what women. Every woman is cool at the beginning, right because they meet you when you have this career going, right, you got this thing that you do going. I'm gonna tell you all of them start out cool. But after a while, you know, you talk about you go on that road. Man, you may be gone for thirty days,
forty five days. After a while, that's when the bullshit start, you know what I mean, It's like, you know what, Yeah, this is how you make your living. But do you have to go be gone that long? And I tell people the way, the end, the way, the remedy that dog is take their ass and the road with you. And they once they go out there and see that it's all not a party, they'll never ask you to go on the road again. They will never add you again.
You know what you brought up Africa being bot it earlier, man, And I know it's like it's a lot of hypocrisy man, and just media and hip hop. Nobody ever mentions what this man has done.
Man just got a lot of crazy accusations. So it's it's just tough for certain people.
But you know, and me, that takes nothing away from what he's did for the culture. He did a significant service for the coach, but you know, they don't take nothing. And I'm not gonna go too much into that man, but you know, when I heard some of the ship that he was doing the people dog, it was just like what he was doing, because I don't he was acting the people. Yeah, after a while, because don't nobody want to believe that, Like it's like I got.
I don't even want to get into all that because at the end of the day, that Nigga ain't fight no criminal charges and whatever is going on with him is.
His cross the bear if there's something going on with him.
So I don't want to talk about alleged things with another man, but I will tell you for sure doing the homework on a planet rock and what it means to hip hop and really the foundation he laid down as a creator, you know what I mean to understand he wasn't the greatest musician, you know, but to know how to work the equipment and you know, take what craft work, you know what's doing and you know, knowing he understands cool, you know, and making something cool you know,
really laying the foundation for hip hop outside of sampling.
Yeah, dog him uh, I would say battle cap, not battle cap, Jimmy Spicer, Jimmy Spicer, Africa, Bambada Leaven the dude that whoever producer who Deani at the time. Dog, it went to a level dog to where that was all free doctor Dre, DJ Quick to me and Herbie Love Bud. You know what I'm saying, all those guys.
You know who don't get credit in that conversation of producers. Too short, too short, too short like a motherfucker for sure, rapper, but the producer. That's what I'm talking about, too short to I keep saying this. I genuinely think too short as a producer.
Is And I know, how dare you g you know, I know what you talked about.
I think he's responsible for how G funk is digested. Like not the title that G funk the word is obviously big hutching above the law, but G Funk the sound. I think it's all the descendant of don't fight the feeling.
Bro go back and listen to what's the appum man, the too short guy. I gotta go on my apple hold on one second, I was just listening to this last night when I was riding a round the wife. Right, we was on our little date night. Right, I'm gonna tell you this. I was listen to this and this was a phenomenal Too Short album Dog, actually one of my favorite two short albums Dog. He had some crazy stuff on it, and it was all pre this is
all this predates chi Funk. I believe Dog Gun Short got all these albums Dog.
That's good, Right, we gotta do Top five.
Fit In Dog. You gotta go in and listen to Get In Where You Fit In? Right? That came out of.
Ninety three Get In Where You Fit In? G Funk.
No, I don't, but he got some records that not Get In from Get In Where You Fit In? Don't predate it, but it was around the same time. Go back and listen to The Dangerous Crew where he had a young spice one on there. Listen to Get In Where You Fit In, Listen to Playboy Short, Way Too Real and all that other shit. Short has some shit, Dog and Bench don't get the credit he deserved.
Yeah, definitely doesn't.
Go back and listen to Born to Mac Dog. Go back and listen to Life Is Too Short, Dog.
Yeah, Life is Too Short is one of those records that came out of nineteen eighty eight.
Gee, did you realized man? When Born and Mac came out Dog, the riginal version, I was sixteen years old. I still remember the original version before it went to JIB. It got switched around a little bit and some songs changed a little bit. It didn't changed that much, but I was sixteen when that shit came out Dog, Too Short, Man, I think man, believe it or not, Dog. I think Too Short as possibly one of the greatest rappers of
all time. And I think he's he's one of the few people that's nationally accepted well.
I think that goes without saying right. He's definitely a phenomenon of culture himself. Think about his production, His production ideas are really underrated in the grand scheme of what he does. And I think that's probably why. You know, because Too Short does get a lot of credit, but he don't get nowhere near the credit because we don't consider him a producer. You know, you look at Dre and Quick, right, but then Too Short is the first rapper producer m you know, Short as the.
Ship Dog Too Short. You know what man. And that's the dope part about this job. Man. You know, being a podcaster, you start from a relationships with people you actually look up to. Like it's just cool. Sometimes you know, I may take short right and short at one of them dudes. You know he keep up him bust the rhymes is two niggas that always get back to you.
Oh they love to teach, for sure. Shout out the Buster too, because he's somebody I need to learn from. But man, like Ice Team, Ice Team loves to teach.
You know.
It's not a lot of the brothers we grew up list to and forgive me because they all love to teach. Maybe dre wud be the hardest one, but for sure Battlecat does. I don't think they know how to do it innately, but if you come to them with a question that pushes something that's not as simple, man, they love it.
Like Quick, even Quick.
I've asked Quick questions like DM and him and he'll just it'll spin off until a ten minute back and forth conversation.
And I've learned so much about something I didn't know about.
So oh Quick loves teaching. You Quick will sit up there, man, Quick gave me a whole lesson. One time on vocals, he went in the room. I was doing something right, he stopped it and came in there. He adjested my mic and he said, holds your chin up and wrapped like this, that's why you run out of breath because you're doing it. And I said it damn. And that took me to another level right there, Bro, Yeah, it
took me to another level. And he loves if you sit up there and talked quick about mixing and engineering and how to get your drums right and your snares right, he will sit there and teach you everything that he knows. If you got the patience, dog and you catch him on the right time, No, he would sit up there and teach you, bro, and start today, man man quick. But what I'm saying, gee, is these people will actually get back to you. And you know I'm not gonna
say no names. I got people I thought was my friends. Dog, I can't get them to return the text. Dog. It may be even.
With Bobcat Like when you can't get Bob, you can get information.
Bob is just one of the niggas.
I realize that just log out of life, like whatever he got going on is just over there.
You know what I mean.
And it's crazy because I talked to little Egypt right and he said the same thing like me.
Sometimes I can't get so once.
I hear that, I understand because that's like me, big bro. I ain't have my phone my ringer on in what is it now? This is sixteen years two thousand and eight. I turned off my ringer in January, I said, January first, I'm gonna turn off all my ringers and notifications. So whatever I'm in front, like right now, me and you talking, I can give you all of my attention. Because two
thousand and seven was such a crazy year. I would get so many phone calls and people needed stuff, and I could never give my attention to things that I was doing right in front of me because I was.
I keep my ringer off too, you know, I got I turned my ringer off. And it's four people, dog that if they call more than once the phone a ring You know you can set your phone to do that, right, No, yeah you can. Dog. That's my mama, you, my brothers, my sister, my kids, and my wife. Dog. And that's a little bit more than four people. But that's how it is because you won't get nothing done because you
are messed around to be having conversations. But that's why I tell people, don't get mad if I don't call you back right away. And that's why I understand people don't return phone calls because you just get caught up with life and you got shit that you're trying to do and get done, and you won't get done because you got to remember at one time, we didn't have cell phones, and I think we was better off, bro. I think we have too many ways for people to
reach out to you. Right now, dog, we almost have an over abundance of conversation, and you almost can be overstimulated at some point. Do you feel what I'm saying.
Definitely, it's easy to get distracted.
Like just right now, somebody was telling me something and that's why I cut that motherfucker off because we having a conversation. But I digress before we got to this whole thing. Even like Bob right like or anybody else that want to teach, when you have them in those moments,
they will. But those moments like DJ Pool like I'll send like you know what, I've gotten the habit of doing sending My favorite guys Dazz, DJ pool Ice Tea just sending them songs like look, Nigga, I don't want you own this just for you, right because you a real motherfucker, Like and you know what I'm about.
So here go some music.
And it's dope to hear them give feedback or their ideas, like Exhibit, Like, you know, one of the greatest joys of my life is impressing Exhibit as an MC. You know what I mean when he's like, damn gee, that motherfucker tough because I respect his taste on them, seeing I would have never.
Had them love hip hop too, bro, Exhibit really loves hip hop, you know. Exhibit just had Dirty Birdie in the studio and work on the whole project with him. He just gave it to yeah, because.
And that's where I'm trying to get the Battlecats, the Warren G's, the you know, the DJ quicks and the DJ slips to get back to, like, look, I know you in your prime, you was fighting for twenty million a night. He was getting twenty million a night. Right in your prime, you was getting big money, clocking all the checks. Right, But goddamn it, now you feel me.
You not out of the fight. But you gotta fight right, You gotta fight to stay at to keep rhythm because no matter what them type of motherfucker's got to know is you don't know where your next check is at. See that's the difference when you was in your prime, you're getting twenty million, you feel me. You know your next check twenty But then when it slide down, you need to break that money down so you can fight four times a year.
Stay in rhythm. You'll fight you some bumps, get out there, get pick up some new talent.
You know, do seven songs, e peas, put them out yourself, give them twenty percent.
I'm gonna give you twenty percent on battlecap. You are on to come up, I'll give you twenty percent.
I'm gonna take eighty percent, and we're gonna put this out and put yourself out there. You know, four times a year, fight four times a year because guess what, look at h boy. You fuck around and find yourself in a great situation and then you'll be in rhythm, you know what I mean, And.
All your catalog goes up.
But it's just hard to get warned quick to a cat to get down. But I stay on them, man, I hit Rock Wilder, Hey, roight Man, let's do some music. I've been on, Eric Simon e Man, let's do some music. Sometimes they return, sometimes they don't. But listen, every time they look up, big bro, they gonna see me. They about to see us on Jimmy Fallon. Every time they look up, they gonna see me like this little crazy motherfuckers in my dms right now.
And when we get it, we're gonna do the work we deserve now. I can't give every artist this mind state.
You know what I'm saying that I have because I fell in love with hip hop in a way that I can't believe.
Right.
But the producers know the jelly rolls no, so there's no reason why they shouldn't be finding cats doing six and seven song EPs just to put on for the culture, just to artistically express it and stay in the rhythm of boxing them making great music. You have to do that. Shit's important. Dunh.
Yeah, you know what, bro, you know what's funny? Man? I want to go back to each hit it real quick. Dirty Birdie shot the Dirty Birdie. That's my homeless nation, brother man. Dirty Birdie is probably one of the illis MC's on the West Coast, nasty, you know, super underrated man. But and you know and Langston General man shout out at my homies.
Man.
Dirty's won them dudes to where if you talk to anybody, they know who he is. Right, he's super duper, like you know, he don't want up there and did stuff for dre up at the pharmacy and stuff just for exhibit, to take the time out of schedule to say, come on, I got some music for you. And not only just give them the tracks. He could have easily emailed them the shit and did what he wanted to do over email. No,
he had him come in the studio. They put the work in and got together and exhibited it for nothing in return. He didn't expect nothing. It got kind of disheartening, man, because the biggest thing I would hear from these guys for the longest, they may get fifty thousand, They may have got sixty seventy thousand for a track one time right now, that stay rate for everybody. Man can't afford
my beats. I get seventy thousand a beat. The one thing I respect about the New York and them down South niggas g it could be two chains it could be.
See Low Green, it could be Malone.
Glasses Malone. But you're one of the few people out here like that. Kendrick is like that too. If you can catch him, He's gonna do the work. You feel what I'm saying. He's not gonna try to plush you up, and he probably want to be not probably one of the biggest artists in the world now, sure, But them dudes down there tipping, all of them, they work first, dog. They not on no shit, don't get me wrong. You know that shit. Get the pop and they gonna send
you an invoice, but they go do the work first. Bro, ain't no conversation about no check because they get what it's all about. Let's go build something to make that shit great.
Believe in the music.
And see, that's what I think happens to. You know, you aige yourself out of hip hop the day you stop believing in the music, you stop believe, like you've seen it work at the highest level. But then now you're like, what the business. No, there's still a magic in the music. There's still a magic in this shit.
Like that's what I can't get people to understand. People is talking to me about records, and I'm like, yeah, records can have a formula, but there's still a magical component that you got to recognize and really, you know and really respect there's a magical component to this shit, and you know, getting the legends to understand that you gotta fight.
You should be putting out four fights. You should be putting out four EPs a year. You should be putting out four EPs a year with different artists, should be putting out five packs.
There's no reason. I tell One all the time, I tell Cat all the time. I tell Das, there's no reason that there should not be a Glasses Malone battle Cat five pack of music, a Glasses Malone warrant g five pack of music, a Glasses Malone, Das Dinners your five pack of music.
There's no reason why that shouldn't exist.
Yeah. You know what's funny about Warren though, When Warren Warren is always making beats. I remember I was talking to him one day and I was like, man, I got to think of an intro for Gangster, you know, for Gainst Chronicles at that time. Right, he sent me a beat fifteen minutes later, right that he had just cooked up for the show. Right, still our intro to this day, right, And I swear I should have got
with Warren and put that motherfucker on seal. I get so many people asking me to send him this song, Dog, because this is actually a three minute song on that man. You know what, Cocaine just on that motherfucker doing what he do and RBX is on that motherfucker. It's actually really dope, man. But you know, just to half stuff like that and send it to you know, Cocaine, shout out to Coco sending up them. He dropped the hook up on that motherfucker Dog. And just I thought about it,
I said, man, I don't fucked around. I got one hundred thousand dollars motherfucking song as intro to my show.
And these motherfuckers still got it, don't These mother fuckers still got it. They not close to being done.
Warren is a bad motherfucker Dog.
You mean to tell me right now?
You think if you get Quincy Jones and a motherfucker studio, it ain't gonna jam nigga, Please, There ain't a nigga that was dope at making beats that you can't get right. I was in there with Teddy Riley in twenty sixteen for a summer. Probably was in there sixty some days out of ninety. Man, that nigga got it right now. Them niggas don't lose it. You get pre Mirroordo got it.
These niggas got it still.
You gotta remember I was up there with you a couple of times, and that nigga Teddy played some songs. You be like, no album with cas, this nigga made that, and you'd be like, damn that shit hard as a motherfucker.
The motherfuckers. And that's what I'm saying. It's like these legends from.
Hip hop put they they decide that they not fucking with it. But I'm telling you it's because like boxers like Deontay Wider ten twenty million dollars paydays and then and they can't talk, theyselves back down to two million dollar pay days or one million dollars to stay active.
But you got and this is why, because you gotta be in love with the fucking sport, big bro.
Because if you're not in love with the sport, if you eventually start doing it for money when they take the money away, you're gonna kill yourself.
Because gee, I'm gonna tell you, man, And I tell people this all the time. With the heartbreak and the bullshit you go go through with music. It ain't a check fucking big enough. Hell know, So if you do it, I don't give a fuck for a nigga cuts you a three million dollar check. You want to go through so much relationships with motherfuckers that you love, you gonna go through so much shit. You gonna lose a lot
that you love the game. And see what people don't understand, man, In order to become a glasses Malone or especially a motherfucker Kendrick Lamar, you have to lose something. It's not it's gonna come up the price doog.
I lost over the last eleven years. I lost a lot.
I lost my mother, I lost a lot, I lost time, I lost my thirties.
You know, but.
When you love it, you know what I mean, Like you really never lost nothing. You got everything you were supposed to get.
And but you have to love it, man, You gotta love man.
You know what I meant to ask you, Dog and we and that's the shame, and we talk every day. Did you ever trip Dog off? The fact that she was signed the more time.
Just probably in twenty sixteen, it hit me, you know when it hit me.
I take that back. So in twenty fifteen, Member, I'm on the road in the car on my whole little.
Here's going on your life. She was losing your mind.
Everybody that fucking everybody thought I was losing my mind. Right, But I remember seeing Hitsville. It was my first time seeing Hitsville in person. And then I'm looking at it and I'm listening to all this music while I'm driving from Detroit down to Cleveland, down to Cincinnati, down to Memphis right to get the stacks, and I just remember thinking, like I had these logos on my music, and I
didn't know what that meant. I never thought about that, even with the vinyls, right, like I got my vinyls for cancer, these nuts right they in they dope.
You know what I'm saying, Dope.
I had single vinyls with Cash Money Records right with Motown stamped on, and I never knew what that meant. Like I knew what Motown was because obviously you hear Tho the Temptations, you know it, but you don't know what it means. In the grand scheme of black culture as a whole or black music as a whole. You don't have no fucking idea of you a fucking drug dealer, gang Bago drug and Compton the watch that didn't trip
off music outside of listening to it. But in twenty fifteen, I was standing in front of Hitsville in Detroit called the shit, and I'm looking at this shit like, holy shit, I was a part of this. I mean, don't get me wrong, Berry Gordy didn't sign my fucking check.
But I had this logo on my logo and didn't know shit.
And and that's why I said, even on a breakfast club interview, bro, Like I remember Charlotte Mane was like, last it can't be it. I was like, I didn't deserve it, Bro, I didn't deserve a check. Like I was on Twitter the other day, right and I was like, I deserve to be celebrated finally.
Like you know, you hear the term celebrity, you're like celebrity, celebrity, and.
Then you look at people You're like, man, you know y'all celebrate them Like Scarface he's a celebrity, but he deserves it. Now I deserve to be celebrated. I am worthy of celebration. You know what I mean, because of my due's paid. I hit Cube. I was like, my dudes is paid.
You know what I'm saying. I hit DJ Pooh, my dues is paid. I hit Douve seeing the DM because of Dove. See you hear this. I hit Dulcie.
I said, my dudes is dudes is paid up, Nigga, Now I'm coming to collect.
So it's dope, bro.
I didn't realize until I was sitting in front of Hiss Vial and Detroit Dog. Damn, They're about to come to tears, like wow, I was a part of this and didn't even know how to appreciate it or know what it means.
When you think about the Legacy Dog when they pull up a thing. If they ever did a roster of all of the artists on More Time on the same list.
With has dyed as a Jackson Robins was.
The Jackson five is Michael Jackson as motherfucking.
Smokey Robinsonoki Robinson Dog.
And you look at that and you say, you know.
Rick James, Rick fucking James.
You know, when you like to see it that way, you realize like, oh yeah, you you oldish. That's what I kept trying to tell everybody when they thought I was going crazy DJ heading and I'm like yore oldest game too much to be worried about how I'm gonna make some money.
I owe it too much.
A hundred percent. That's one hundred percent, bro. And when you think about those moments like that, that's when you got to look at man like and I think you definitely start appreciating shitting when you get older. I remember when I was running around England, man, and I had an epiphany one time. I said, Man, I remember when I was in the kitchen and this one I think. I think we all have these moments in our life
when we decide that we done with property. I remember sitting in my mama's kitchen, man, not that we was. I looked back at it, Man, My parents did a good job. Man, My mama did a bomb ass job, right. But I remember, Man, I was in the kitchen, Man, I was just real frustrated because I wanted some cereal
real bad right, And I turned on the lights. Man, I wanted to go get get some cereal and my brother somebody forgot to fucking because you know, you said to penning them bags tight or the roches getting them. Motherfucker's right. I rememberbout opening the cereal up the ropes crawled off that motherfucker. I was so fucking mad, and I said, now, I'm not ever had no roachres in
my fucking house. And I swear to guy, see, I've never had to have roaches in my though life, though he ain't never had nothing, not saying that I too good for that ship. I can go back and live to see. One thing about being comes Cleveland a different type of poor. You don't realize you poor. If you got two pears to go to work in the house, dog, you not poor. You may not have everything. And I think about a dog just thinking about it.
If you got two pairs that's working, you're not. You're not poor. You could be broke, but you'll We were broke.
But we had roaches and we have mice in that motherfucker. We ain't had no rest. We have mice like a motherfucker. And Cleveland, it gets snow in the one time the mice gonna start, You be in the house and see one of the motherfuckers run across the Florida.
Dog we got here too, huh, Like we gotta live in here too. He's called outside Hell.
Yeah, you know, so you think about it, bro, And I said, man, I am never going to go through this shit. Dog. I don't never want us have to spend a food stamp. Dog, I don't know. I don't want to go through this shit. And so when I was walking to England, Man, I thought about it, and I wasn't getting I was on a MTV base tour and I said, Man, they actually give me fifteen hundred dollars a show, and I'm doing twenty dates. I said, man,
God is good. If you'd have told me some shit like that back then, I'd have been looking at you like he was crazzy. Man. I didn't know how I was gonna get it, dog, But I said, I'm a football, my way up out this motherfucker. That's why I feel Jake when he said i'm aa we could shoot three pointers a riddle, U wrap away out this motherfucker. I was feeling that shit, dog because I decided I wouldn't
gonna go through no motherfucking promptly. Dog. I was gonna do whatever the fuck had to happen, Dog for me to get away from that shit. Well, that concludes another episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download I Heard app and subscribe to the Gangst the Chronicles podcast for Apple users. Find a purple mic on the front of your screen. Subscriber to show me and rating. Executive producers for The Gangst Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel,
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