Dj Hed on Kendrick, Drake & More

We like to welcome you to another episode the Gainst the Chronicles podcast where gangst the Rap Lives and it's your boy Big Steal along with my guy. Yeah, let me cut my fucking phone off too. You gotta make sure mans motherfuckers be calling for real and shit man. And it's funny is my wife had text me every show and say, what are you busy now? And I say no, I'm just in the middle of recording.

We had. Yeah, yeah, you know we.

Got a special guest now. I don't even like seeing a special guest man because he my homeboy. He no longer an' been knowing.

You now though too long. I need new friends. New friends?

Is the ones you got definitely getting old? They pieces of shit too.

Yeah, I don't even know, to be honest, we got to be a decade at least.

Yeah for real man. You know what's funny You was in podcasting so early? When was g o for in Signal Hill? When we got the studio Signal Hill? How long ago was that? That was two eleven? We was doing Homegrown before that? Yeah, for real and Chuck's Apartment, Yeah, Homegrown radio, college radio. Yeah, I don't seen you go through all your progressions and this ship and you the motherfucker man. I see you on it early arguing with Elliott Wilson them.

You know, I don't necessarily think it's arguing. I would say more like organized discourse. Here.

You gonna come start, man. You know this this, this is the cheap rent section.

You can't come over here arguing it is. It is debate, conversation, aggressively conversation.

Let me ask you this, man, Some of them dudes, and this is no disrespect to Elliott or any of them.

That's whenever whenever a niggas say no disrespect, the disrespect for to come in no.

Because your opinion for to be different than what a motherfucker talking about. No disrespect. But it's always a butt. Probably what's the butt?

Don't it seem like it's a lot of corn balls that's commentating and speaking on hip hop nowadays?

Haven't it always been? No?

Not really, man, because I think about the catt that I thought were corn balls. Actually, you know, looking back, they really wasn't corn balls. They was great compared to this crop of motherfuckers we got today.

I mean who compared to who? Though?

Like, what do you mean as far as who like, what's what's the comparisons?

What would you say, like a person that you felt was.

You know, a.

Great uh commentator on hip hop opposed to somebody who was corny as I think, you know what.

Man doctor Dre and they a lover your MTV reps. I think they was cool. Okay, I think they was cool, big Tigger. Back then, we really didn't have nobody that was corny. We had you know what we had, guys, No I said, no ticket was tight, big ticket was So who was corny? You know what? Back then, I thought the dude Joe Claire, they hosted Rap City.

For Nigga, said Joe Claire.

I think Joe Claire for a minute, but then compared to the people that compared to the people that we got today, bro, that motherfucker was amazing.

But what what what constitutes somebody is being corny?

Just somebody that's not really from the culture. So they have this really skewed opinion on how stuff should be. Like I hear people saying like just just off the wall ship Like, well I heard that, you know, Kendrick just drug up a bunch of shit, you know what I mean. It's like, oh, I don't think he did this. It's like, motherfucker, what record you've been listening to? You saying you feel what I'm saying?

What record? Just well? I think that people people always convolute their opinion for facts. They always say they always like they have an opinion about something, and in the opinion they pass off as a fact instead of it being an opinion. It's all artists all up to your it's your opinion. Eight got an opinion, you got an opinion. I have an opinion. So it's like, I think what happens is you just disagree with their opinion. But then it'd be a lot of people who I think what

You know, the days of your opinion to a motherfucker self is is their fact?

You get me. You try to tell.

Motherfuckers today that you know, nigga, that's really your opinion. But a motherfucker are you to death if they feel like bullshit? Nigga, I heard and then so and so said, and like I told the motherfucker the other day, there is no fact. It's just nigga. I want to get the story out or whatever it is. First, there is no facts to this shit. So, motherfucker, if you could tell the motherfucking nigga really what you're saying. It's your

Nigga.

That's whatever, nigga, You get me. So that's what I mean.

Right there.

You see all are arguing, right, and people really be invested in this stuff like it's like like it's a matter of life and death. And I told somebody the other day, I said, bro, there's nothing because he said, well, he wanted to get the last word, Drake Won, I said, if you feel that in your heart, my god, that's cool because this stuff is subjective. It is there's no truth right or wrong. It's just who wins the who wins the public opinion, belly, you feel what I mean?

I mean, it's all it's all the court of public opinion. But it's kind of crazy to say, Drake one. But you know what, But but here's the thing, like everybody, Okay, this is how I look at opinions, right, opinion. You know, they'd be like, oh, it's like assholes. I think an opinion is like an independent record label. Everybody got one these days, right, So so when you look at it like, oh, you have an opinion, I have an opinion, it's like what he said, when you pass your opinion off, like

They get it really misconstrued. And then you have all and then forget the dudes that's getting paid to commentate. Right, Let's talk about the fans for a minute. You would see some of these fans, man, they would like they were about to cry.

Man, I did see a fan cry, Actually you did, Yeah, I did see the I saw these academics get emotional on his stream. I don't know if he cried because crime has a definition, but it was as close to it as possible. Yeah, it's like, it's not this series, it's a rep.

It's a bat.

I'm like, oh, man, but.

Hey, shit is just weird man. Just niggas is just weird man today, Man, just take me back to the ages, man, fuck man, these niggas is weird.

Man, Like.

Man, I came from hip hop and beefing and whatever and opinions in fact, whatever, man, but it's fucking music shit or whatever.

I'm saying.

Man, like you're getting emotional because like Nigga was, it makes me think, like what you got something invested in the ship.

Like exactly. And you know what I told somebody the other day, I said, man, save that type of energy for your family, for your friends, for stuff that really matters in life. You sitting up, you're worried about two dudes, two people that got way more money than you.

I mean, but a lot of this shit is for show man, if you want to ask me. You know, niggas get on and be streaming live and then like just a lot.

Of this shit is for show man.

It gotta be like, come on, this shit gotta be for show because grown ass me and acting like like man, this shit is crazy.

Well, you know, Like to your point, though, I think that they do have stuff invested. You got you got to But but I don't think it's money or nothing or like it ain't like the person's signed to their label or a nothing like that. I think they invest it because it's a distraction from like life like, for instance, if you you know how like some people go get high, some people go get drunk, some people have their advices. Other people just dive into other people's lives, like when

I mean, still you sit up and be emotional or if your favorite artist got this, sitting at home crying and shit, motherfucking bro, I.

Don't lose a bit of sleep. And I'm gonna tell you this too. Everybody up here really no K do right, and they ain't there one of us got emotionally, you know what I was telling somebody, I said, if I would have thought K got lost, I would have said it too. And it don't mean that I still love him to death. It don't mean you have nothing to do with that. But he just lost a rap battle, y'all. Man,

You feel what I mean? Well, I think. I mean. The thing is I didn't even intentionally get involved. They dragged me into that shit, like I didn't have nothing to do with it. But when when he dropped the Push Ups record, I expressed a sentiment that everybody shares, like why is academics the only person on earth with the record? Like if you if it's your record, on to claim the record? Like where we from? You can't

He's gonna get in his ass. You know what I think, man, I think Drake is a top tier artist.

Me too.

One.

You know, it's the reason why he's selling all these records right probably the most successful hip hop artists in the game right now. I would say, as of a few weeks ago, you know, Doc might have took that spot from him.

But yeah, but this is a decade long yeah you know, so, yeah, that's fair to say he's had a ring, man, and he's not trash.

I told somebody, I said, man, you can't even have an opinion without somebody. This girl told me you just don't like him. I said, I don't have nothing in best. I don't have nothing personal against this man. I don't even know him. There's nothing personal. I just feel like base from the music i've heard. This is a little bit strong gro over here. I didn't even say his stuff was whack. I said a little bit stronger. She got mad and told me I was an old ass hater.

Still you up in here clean tonight, man, I'm noticing you clean?

Hum up?

Man.

I got a jacket on, man, I got the beard clean, took the.

Beard off dog. You know what it was, man, you know what it was. When I went to see my mama, she said, is you a Muslim now?

And I said, you walking around? Yeah, you had the O G Muslim and ship.

Yeah, I said, man, I don't have I said, mama, no, I'm not a Muslim now yeah, and then she said, well why do you have that? They just seemed like a bit much. Can you run a cam across it? I said, mam, I just got off the plane right now.

Yeah, that scruffy look. Man, you're looking clean in this month.

My mother in law was telling me I was looking like for deal Castro. They had all kinds of jokes man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. I bet your wife liked that type of ship. Nice and clean, shaven, now looking decent, looking at looking looking acceptable.

You would just be the one to call it.

I had to call it because I'm getting that. I'm about tired of the Drake and Kendrick stuff. That's why we talked about this ship for two weeks. Now it's time to move on. It's time to move on from Drake and Kendrick because it's over with. It's just it's done. We we keep we keep putting fire on motherfucking burning ashes. You get me, We keep trying the ashes is you know, when you get through barbecuing and they tell you to pour the water on the ship and the water is dead.

So let me ask you this. Yeah, if Drake dropped another record righting down, what it even.

Matter it's done with because it's done got upstairs, and we done talked about that.

It's then went.

Upstairs because like you said, they done told people you gotta cut this shit out. You're talking pedophiles and child molestations and all of that, and regardless, at the end of the day, that don't sit well with the nigga sitting upstairs. You get me, the nigga who's sitting upstairs with the three P suit on and eighty years old and can barely walk and signing everybody checks. He like,

Was that Was that like an issue like your when you was doing your thing? Like was that was that ever a worry about like endorsement deals?

No?

No, no, because we were still at the we were still at the point of where we were an afterthought to companies. You get me, I come from the era of before the aster PE's and cash moneys and quality controls and you know, like you said, everybody who got their own independent label.

Now I come before that.

I come.

I come from the era of.

You know, corporate ass motherfucking white men who was running labels, and we just happened to be a motherfucking staple on the back of the bigger picture. So it was we didn't have fucking investors and corporate sponsorships for motherfucker. That was that was niggas like Hammer and shit. You know, you had to be that big.

I never even reached down to where y'all was at.

For motherfucking you see how my nigga dre and them at the super Bowl with low riders and crip walking man pepsi coat and then please give them some money to these niggas, these niggas talking about shooting niggas and riding and riders and that bumpty bumpty bu hey. Now, so we didn't we didn't deal with that. You have to be on a different pa. You had to be a Vanilla Ice or mc hammer to get corporate sponsorship, Hammer had Taco bell Man.

Come on, you know, I want to ask I got two questions I wanted to ask you personally. But the first one is about like the content and the music, like you're saying, they saying, they making all these accusations and stuff like that. But then also when you look at you know, how like people be like, oh they

I mean because we were giving you well, you know you shot Johnny and really I'm basically telling you a story of tales from the hood.

Okay, it's still, but it's based on a true story.

Yeah, okay, because I'm not dumb.

I'm not that dumb where I'm gonna be like me and motherfucking Chill went through so and so and the niggas was standing at Eddie's liquor store and Chill jumped out with the deuce. Dudes popped the nigga knowing, damn well, a week ago we pulled up at Eddie's Liquor and popped two niggas. I'm not gonna do that. What I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna tell you and everybody's hood, somebody finna get popped. I'm telling you, if you slang dope,

You get me.

I'm not saying little Tooty from my block nigga last week jumped out on the nigga at the Burger stand shot him with the thirty eight nigga blew his head off.

Into his mama house on Carling.

And Nigga, it's it's and the and I and I feel like the way that hip hop is, you know.

As far as how that path is going.

It's because, like you said, rap has turned into the whatever you want to call it, man, the new dope game to hustle whatever whatever you want to say it is. But it's a way for these the young homies now to glorify the aspect of their identity where they're from. You get me. We couldn't do that back then.

I couldn't.

I couldn't get on the record and say try New Park so and so and so and so because the label would go, know, they knew the problems of that ship. Doing that wasn't making them money back then. It's making money now because niggas then depended with it, and then the niggas who get on it's like perfect. Look at him, be a young boy, nigga. I'm gonna talk nigga.

Fuck you.

We came through Woompy wom Look at the niggas in Shy Town and any little hard hood nigga from from Compton to motherfucking Georgia. You get me, nigga, I'm gonna go in my kitchen and I'm gonna tell a nigga I'm from so and so on, I'm from this and that. We got to tou tou and womped because it's the it's to solidify their identity. Now, you get me back, then you had to rap. We had to rap to prove your identity. Now all you gotta do is say what nigga hit you bust? Or what nigga hit you

You get me, that's what we have.

So it was more of us explaining what was going on.

You get me.

They know what the fuck is going on now they've been seeing it for thirty years now.

It's profitable, Yeah, especially considering the fact like the King von Kid, right, I believe he sold more records after he died than when he was alive.

Yeah, I mean that's usually how it goes.

Yeah, Tupaca, Yeah, you know the gang problem. I mean it's been around since the beginning, but it's so fascinating when I look up right now because I said niggas was hood niggas back then and whatever, but.

It's a gang if you look.

At the last five years, it's a a of these little niggas who just this week, this nigga got killed, this week, this nigga got and and it's fucked up because it's associated hip or hip hop. Man, you get me. Back then, that just would have been some gang killings and ship.

Why you think that hip hop is so it's it's synonymous with violence that way, because I don't, because don't. I was just having this conversation on last week when everything was going on my on my on my thread, on my timeline. I was like, bro, people think hip hop is violent? Have you ever listened to Corrido's music like that met Domesican music?

Oh no, man, please, They saying, wow, nigga, they talk about that Donk Diller and who run the town and the big narcos and man, please, why bang that ship?

Why is hip hop the only way that it's looked at like that? Like because as opposed to like country, even some country songs and country songs. I heard a couple of country music records on.

Music is Man. The Narco music is on point. But I think it's because and we've always got the negative spin the black man and that's man. Come on, man, we've always got the negatives. Just listen to what you just said. I mean, they got mother for the essays nigga, they got bands, nigga, so and so they.

Came through it. Man.

I don't know if that makes a difference, because nigga they treacherous. We talk about our gang life and ship. Narco's been treacherous.

So maybe you could say it if it's in melody.

I think just I think because it's the nature of the beasts. As far as the black man is concerned, we've always been looked at negatively when it comes to the situations like that, and people aren't reminded enough that, you know, gang culture.

And all that shit. Nigga.

I watched the mob been al Capone and fucking Lefty Luciano and all their motherfuckers.

That's what was game.

Even though they was calling themselves the mob, that was gang shit.

To me.

It was money, it was drugs, protocol. It was niggas getting politics. You get me, just like a street gang today, you get me. We don't have a you know, some niggas some do some gangs out of tears of the leaders and the followers and the soldiers and all that. But it's still I just think because it was Black culture and we've always been looked at negatively when it came to the streets.

Exactly was it like that? Though? Like was it like that when when hip hop first came from New York? Like? Cause I think the problem with that is we was already hood niggas, so the music just came later.

It just came later, and then we still had niggas. Like That's why I say West Coast music was different. I mean, like I said, we had niggas like the Wrecking Crew, and we had Bobby Jimmy and the Critters and shit with you know, songs like that when but the gang problems were still there. Before I heard my rap, first rap record, it was niggas on the block, gang banging. I still got five years old, niggas was drive by shooting, you get me.

So before I even picked up a.

Microphone, I was gang banging. It was already in its existence. Hey had. And not to cut you off, I'm gonna say this. We had niggas like Mixed, Master Spade and Toddy T who gave us that type of music of what was going on in the neighborhood. But I think because of the gang culture that we had already established on the West Coast is when when hip hop fell

You would hear easy E, you would hear king t, you hear miss mess Fade all day.

It was popping. Yeah, I couldn't imagine then.

I mean, it was just feeding us hip hop man, just like man fuck it. It was like, oh, now we really got an identity. I mean because we was already turned up banging Parliament and Atomic Dog and more Bounce and shit like that in the hood. So when you're throwing some now we got some Curtis Blow the Bang, and we got some motherfucking run DMC the Bang, and then some Beastie Boys the Bang. It just it just it made the notches go up higher because now niggas

You get me, niggas wasn't the mother remember the damn right they played run DMC. But it was a lot of parody back then because you would hear both. You would hear like an EPMD record and for the because it was like EPMB was a West Coast group.

Yeah, we had a lot of that weird Al Yankovic shit going on, like you said, parody records and ship.

It was like a lot of period like you would have Bobby Jimmy and the critters, like look at all these roaches. He would take a song and make it like.

A Yeah, they would.

They would flip rap a lot of stuff for.

A minute, doog.

West Coast hip hop was real embarrassing, But then it was a lot of hot shit too, Like King Tinam had.

A cracking your T like I said, Tela had a cracking uh Spade, Toddy T, Nick Master Ken, they had it cracking on the aspect of we knew that hip hop wasn't just my Adidas and my Lee jeans and you know, push it and you get me, like we knew that it wasn't like friendly rap you get me.

As an aggression to it.

We were we knew that ship, but we still played motherfucking that type of shit because that's what what was floating around.

Hey, let me ask you something, man, it could be kind of controversial when you you were on a major radio station out here.

Yeah, and.

You know, everything at radio is about the bottom line, is with testing, what's calling out? You know, I think people searching records all that.

Yeah.

I think people just think, oh man, they played the record. No, it's a lot of thought that goes in there.

You know, it's saying it's protocols.

Yeah, it's you know, like you just can't go up there and play any record that you're want to.

Do. You think that system is flawed, yes, but it's not flow. So here's the thing about radio. And I was at iHeart for seven years and I just left what last year or two years ago? I've been going that damn. So yeah, I've been going two years now. I left. But the thing about radio that people misconstrued

Or whatever that that two pays, whatever they're selling, right.

So the way the system is set up it is to incentivize people to hear as many advertisements as possible. With that being said, that's why they play the most popular songs in the world or in the country. Because if you are a bit if you if you have a podcast, if you own the Gangster Chronicles podcasts, and you know that there's going to be a million people listening to this Drake record, you want your podcast advertisement to come right after that drink record, not after an unknown,

Goddamn right, So long story short, Always trying to explain to people like when you are talking to radio per personalities and DJs approach you from a standpoint of they have to check what they with whoever they superior is before they can.

Play what they want to play, not only that you can't. I'm not I shouldn't say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. Whenever a DJ, a lot of DJs, especially here in LA, I'm gonna say this here. I was gonna wait to say this publicly, but a lot of you DJ's in LA I got a problem with. And I got a problem with y'all because either one, you don't care about people, or to you ignorant. Either way,

So what do you call those people who do that? Because you got a lot of those that won't give that now. I'm just gonna be honest. Man, it's not a good record, it's not a good song.

What do I call those people?

Yeah, I don't know.

I just I'm me.

I don't It's a lot of those though, you get me. There's a lot of records that shouldn't even see the light of day. But you got a lot of code signers and a lot of motherfuckers who go, oh no, man, that motherfucker hard at fuck.

Let's roll with that. You know what I told the homie, Sorry, you know what I told the homie about that. The hommy was like, you know, man, you just be hating. I'm like really, He's like, yeah, you the problem. I said, Okay, let me paint a picture for you then, bro, Since I'm the problem, right, because I'm the gatekeeper and I'm the one that's stopping you from eating by not playing your song on the radio, not knowing that you get less than you get a third of a penny for

All of me is them ten before you. It's telling the nigga that is whole.

That's what I was gonna say, that's the problem. That's what I'm trying to tell I'm not the problem.

Nobody gets honest. Now, I don't exactly just be an. I'm not exactly an asshole all the time. If I hear a record and it's not a good record, I can steal somebody. You need to go back to the before. Yeah, for sure, I have no problem. Yeah, I've heard them.

Like nigga that don't sound good.

You gotta remember eight I was a and R man. I actually had an a and r job And I'm gonna tell you. When I first took the position, it was hard telling somebody that they ship was trash. You know, I wanted to be nicecause some of the people are actually cool people. What would you tell them?

But after a while I would say, I know, you wouldn't say it was trash.

I would try to tell them because I heard two types of trash. It was two types of trash, right, it was two types of trash. You would have a person, yeah, but you would have you would actually have a person. You would actually have an artist that may have had talent, but they just had bad production. The hook game might

Well, do you know what's interesting about that? I used to I've never had a problem with that. I mean, you know that like me and you have had that conversation before. But I've never had a problem telling people that their music was trash. What I have a problem with is them having a problem with me after they asked me, yeah, you can't ask me something and then

Man?

That shit garbage, you can't be mad because you asked me, right, stuff that makes it.

Yeah, some people are real sensitive when they kind.

Of people needed to stop being so fucking sensitive though it's not gonna happen, nah, especially doing music. H You you've had a successful music career. I ain't gonna say ad because that's pair you're still selling records. You had people that didn't like your music, right, oh all the time. That's what I'm saying. Music is so subjective, and that's

When I first heard them, I ain't even gonna do that.

Man, put it out there.

It is because listen, a gang of shit is trash today and you see motherfucker's selling a gang out of it, Like, come on, there's a lot of trash that's out right now, but it's pushed like it's the number one ship going.

Yeah. I'm gonna tell you, man, is that just.

Because mother I don't want to say this.

Man, motherfuckers have the resources to force feed you.

I'm gonna tell you there was a girl that was a singer. I'm not gonna say her name because she was huge, especially on the West coast.

Because we're gonna figure that ship out in a minute. It's thing.

You know, she wasn't the prettiest girl, and you know she wasn't. I ain't gonna say she was ugly. Well, she didn't.

Look like a star.

What she was about what a four?

She was about a four or five and she had these big, huge records. Dog, And I would be like, I remember her name though, but I'm not gonna say it.

Dog. But that ship was a truth. No, I say it's initials.

It was the name of one of the songs.

The initials.

I said, like this first name begins with ah.

You just did it right there. Somebody gonna figure that ship and.

Their primary markt was like the Ox Gnar Baker's Field all that stuff.

It played like because she was a Mexican girl.

Okay, you just keep writing, put it out there, yeah, walk it down, but walk it down.

It was pretty bad and people thought this ship was amazing. And you can't say that because you looked like a motherfucking hater saying something. She's selling out, Jen ughs And I be like, man, something must be wrong with me.

I just don't see it.

Think sometimes that be the culture of who the people are. When you just said she was a Spanish chick, they support they motherfucking people.

No.

Yeah, but I'm gonna tell you I don't think race had nothing. I don't think race has nothing to do with talent because I've heard some Mexican girls that they're tight. They gotta hit records. You know the Homi beer shot. He don't send me shitting out? Why this shit is amazing?

It was tight? Good is good? Bad?

It is bad, bro. But I'm gonna tell you this. Nowadays it's well, you know what, and it's been that way. I ain't gonna say nowadays. Radio has always been about money for independent artists. If you've seen the independent artist that was getting the record paid five hundred and six hundred times a week. It was some money being paid for that dog. You have to after a while, I can say this not because I don't give a fuck

Dog.

And then I learned the hard way because somebody told me, because to see at least in a rhythmic market that's the West Coast, you know what I mean, Like the c CHR stations, the rhythmic stations, right, they all have a mixed show format, you feel.

What I'm saying.

So I was collecting a lot of spins like that, right, I had somebody that was about to add my record, and instead of my dumb ass just being happy with the you know, mixed show action, I was getting I paid money and the PD got fired the next day. But I can say this is because this in their defense, I didn't physically give the program the record of the money. I gave it to the promoter that was with me, the laders of the promoter, and I got up and went to the bathroom. And that's I assume they did

I'm talking about. I have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, keep it that way.

You got damn right, dude.

Was I'm not gonna say his name because he's a powerful motherfucker, right, And it let me know right there that this shit is rigged.

Org Man, the homie was was expressing his, uh, his opinions about that to me.

This morning.

The craziness about because you know, he's one of those cats who you know, tried to get in back in the days, you know, when everybody was coming out, and and he was real offended to buy the fact that, like you said, it's supposed to be for the people, supposed to be for you. You supposed to be for

Just to clarify some I want to clarify something, parl One on six played my record a lot. I never once gave him a dine. It wouldn't like that.

You know.

What I noticed is the smaller stations, But those are the ones where you get expians from right. Because Power is only gonna play you. You gotta test good at the powers and at the you know, the big bigger radio stations, the k's now and stuff like that. It ain't just like they just up. They just in people's pockets off the rip like that. But it is a dirty.

Game, no, I mean share. I guess that's why I never focused on radio. Uh my career, my label never took that route. They didn't have to get Nigga. I didn't get songs played on the radio.

That's what they didn't have to. But that's what I'm saying. But you was going out selling the gold album. They look at it like this, this motherfucker go go go. We ain't gotta do shit.

Yeah, I didn't get radio play. They that was one thing that Epic did not do. We're not going for no radio with MC eight, So that was something I never even I It never pressured me either to go, I.

Need to make a radio song.

You get me because I already knew that they wasn't going to radio with my records.

Bro it was cheap. It was cheap to make your album. It's not like they had to call in a band and you had tick and slipping them.

That was it.

You know, do your record and they go make eight nine million dollars. I'll be with that too. It's a perfect business model. Ship Man going to give them some more money and let him go do his thing. We could be profitable. It's profitable, you know. Yeah. But like I said, I never I never made music. I felt was gonna make radio anyway. So from the start of my career it never fucked with me. I never got in the studio and had the pressure from Epic to go.

We need another radio single, we need another radio song, because that's pressure you get me. So, like a, I didn't have to deal with that. Ship Hey, Hey, let me ask you something. Bro Bear called me. Bears the program director the programs a lot of radio stations. To my god, he called me one day and said, Man, I'm gonna tell you who gonna be the man in l A. And he's a man. He has to be the one to move our culture forward. You have to

Ain't shit.

I'm just playing. But he told me that. Man, And on top of that, I started getting a lot of the little rapper home. He's complaining, Man, Nigga Head is a hater. That nigga told me that. I said, well, man, if you asked him something, he can tell you the truth. You should respect that. Now I'm tell in the artists, you should respect the dude that tells.

You the truth. The dude that just let you keep going making a fool out of yourself. It's not your friend. I'm always gonna tell you got some in your teeth, I'm gonna tell you got a booger in your nose, and I'm gonna tell you if your song is whack, it's not. It's no different to me than than when you're about to lead a house and your your you know, your your boxers is showing or you know. It's the same thing to me, and and it took to be

I'm gonna give you a prime example of constructive criticism working in the positive manner.

Right.

I talk about top Dog here and there at my homie that you know run tde and here you know this you was around too early days. We go back with them dudes, like when they was back there record and when it wasn't no Kendrick Lamar being a top rapper in the world. They just some congree kids, right.

So what do you think that was? Was it the talent or they just wasn't ready or well.

They were always talented, right, I just think they hadn't made the right records yet. You know, sometimes this level was to it. They were definitely dope enough to where that's when the bloggers started cracking a little bit where the bloggers took notice of them. But they didn't necessarily have no that big record. Like even though eight you ain't never had no top forty record, you was able to go in and produce a straight up minutes ain't going the road. They hadn't got to that point. Shit,

Can school Boy C make pop music?

Now that's because he's a professional recording or that's a laying he in, but he can rap. Ab Sol Lo My god, I knew I'd get murdered if I say it, but ab Sol might be the coldest motherfucker over there. They got dudes, they can really rap. You feel what I'm saying. I'm talking about and it's not easy to impress me. Hey, you gotta remember the era we came up in. I came up on you, scarface nas. All of these just grade them seas Big Daddy Kane, Chuck d people that were one of the ones. We wasn't

You feel what I mean.

So I've heard some incredible motherfuckers cool she rap. It's some motherfuckers that could spit Ray Kwan, the chef you know, on to the day to the Homi Black thought, there's some guys that can rap them. Dudes can really rap over there, And I really think they got to the place to where they had been getting slept on. Was so bad. Wasn't nothing going right for me. But this motherfucker said, we just gonna make undeniable records. Top used to be on them dudes' ass, man, I know it wasn't.

I just talked to talk about that.

He didn't allow them to play no games. Dog, And I saw the homie lose a lot of money on fake tours. You know, when you're trying to when you're trying to get something going, you're gonna do whatever you got to, right, And I saw that that he was with and I think Top was to the point one night man to where I think he was at that point where he was like, I'm tired of motherfucker's playing with me. But they did it though, Dog, That's why. So that's why I salute them, because I know what

No, I agree with you. I know hell of stories, but I think that if so. I remember glads To said something to me one day we was driving and you know, like, you know how when you go y'all, I would notice. But you know how when you on your way to the west Side from the east Side, you on the one on one, one O five and you're about to get that go on that overpass where they film speed at going to the one ten or you know that big overpass, see the whole east side

Like that, oh definitely does.

Hip hop saved a lot of our lives. Hip Hop and changed a lot of our families, and like, you know, just different things like that where when people play with it.

I feel like you're not respecting it. I'm gonna say some head. It was a time a long time ago, dog. I don't know if you remember this. I just lost my I lost, but I had been lost my job of mind of music, and I was refusing to go get my assma the job.

Dog.

I got used to having that cush music industry job. Yeah, and I was broke then. The motherfucker remember me and you was standing on the corner about Lake will Boulevard, dog, trying to piece up to go get some fucking cheeseburgers, A real fucking story, and I look at his dog. Ain't nothing in this motherfucker no overnight. I do remember that.

Ain't. Don't nothing happen overnight, man. And I definitely think that we split the chili cheese frog.

Yeah, I definitely think in today's era, man, people don't want to grind for shit. But I want to get back to this rap shit a little bit.

Dog.

This is one thing I will say. I believe Kendrick were all way out, but I'm gonna leave it alone. I'm gonna go to something. But I didn't think that was necessarily no battle in the specific sense you know what. I went back and listened to just to make sure I wasn't tripping. I went back and listened to What's Old what's the motherfucker's name? Kars One? When he was dis and meally mailed and.

All of them.

It was just straight rap. You feel what I'm saying.

It was just rap.

It's like, now, man, you gotta get so personal with it. I don't know if I necessarily like the whole this and shit, dog, because you just got to get too personal.

Now.

Yeah, I'm talking to both of y'all, but it just got and I think that that ship was a part of it. Dog, I think the whole thing motherfucker's teaming up to write some shit about a nigga. You feel what I'm saying. It's like, like, what is this ship becoming? I think all that shit started back back during over times.

I'm gonna I'm gonna let him so what I think. I just talked shop to my dude, Wayno. I was talking to Wayno and he called me. He called me when everything was going down and I was in the middle. He's like, hey, you know what ahead He's like, I just realized something. As I'm getting older, I'm no longer arguing with niggas who ain't never been punched in their mouth. And I was like, that made perfect sense to me

Exactly what I'm saying.

A lot of people don't have don't don't have to deal with that. You you specifically you g like all these different people who I know if I tweet some wild ship and I just tweeted I posted on my Instagram, either you gonna call me, g gonna call somebody, gonna call my phone like you, That's what the difference is is checks and balances to this ship. And I don't think that that exists no more, which is why you could just say whatever you want to say about somebody.

Mm hmmm, Yeah, that's a lot of that goes on.

Now you got you got, you got interstate this, and right now interste Beef and niggas ain't never seen each other before. Just get on the fucking fuck that nigga. Man, my shit is more harder than them and we are, so we just gonna start dissing the nigga and whatever it's become out of the context of.

Nigga.

I'm I'm dissing you because my lyrical skills.

Are superior, top notch.

You give me I ain't disrespecting.

I'm not dissing you because you from New Jersey or South Carolina. I ain't dissing you because you said, nigga, you you you took five fifteen shots out of nigger y'all. That that's the I'm dissing you because my lyrics are hard. Nigga, I'm the hard. Yeah, yeah, that that's not it.

I heard about the money these niggas was spending on that ship to get information.

Dog, Well yeah, it's crazy. You might for run to spend a couple hundred thousand ricks.

Brax, it's become a become a criminal investigation.

You might well be on try.

I need to go to hire me a couple of motherfucking investigators and have a nigga jump on the plane.

I need to know what I need to know.

If a nigga shitted his pants in the third grade, it's so cool, like what I I need the dog, if a nigga was pissing in the bed when he was seven years old, and some ship.

Like that, so I would go, I would go fire.

The long distance hater cousin that the nigga old fuck with. Now pay that nigga a couple of grand What that nigga do used to do when he was five. He used to take boggers out his nose and put a bit.

I wouldn't go at all.

It's it's criminal investigations now motherfuckers.

Motherfuckers is being really facetious with shit too. Man.

When I heard him say that Dave Free was the man, I said, Man, this niggas just reached. But that was a reach. But it was a line that was more than real. Was a motherfucker line.

Yeah, but it's it's him.

He don't have no But I see, I seen a nigga say today and it was a It was a hip hop dude.

I don't know if I read it today or who was that thing?

Was it?

When he said the dissing or something is just taking me out of it because now it's it's more about That was quess love quis love quis yeo exactly? It was Big Daddy. Big Daddy said, it's like motherfuckers want to know if your facts are true or they want to very He said, Nigga, when I was dissing niggas back in my days coming up, I lied and said ship, nigga, I fucked your mama in the back seat of my Cadillac. Nigga, won't he wom I ain't never seen a nigga mama in.

My life, even though even when jay Z said, you know, condoms in the baby seat, I'm sure there was no condoms in the baby seat, right, no baby mama. I'm gonna I'm gonna exaggerate a little bit. I mean, that's but that's part of.

It because basically.

That's the same thing like when we used to bag against each other. You get me with the bagger, your mom so fat, nigga, I slapped your mom on the ale, or your mom's fed me dinner after I came through last night.

You give me.

We all did that shit.

It was just it was just we were just bagging comic through on each other.

Nobody took that serious at the end of the day.

Well, it might have been one nigga who couldn't handle it and then you end up scrapping.

Okay.

But you know what, though, Bro, I'm kind of with and this sound because I love the bat, you know, I like that messy shit, right, But I think I'm kind of with questlove and Big Daddy came and all of them shit can go to a point to where it goes too far. Because I got thick skin. I could take any motherfucker talking about me because I don't give a fuck you feel what I'm saying. But when you start involving my mama, my wife, my kids, some probably can happen.

Dog some probably that off limits though? Is it off limits? Oh? Here's the thing right to your point. It depends on if you It depends on your enemy, bro, It depends on who you serve. It depends on who you battling. If you go and I don't want to make this hell dramatic, but if you look at somebody like if you look at World War two, how do you fight a Kamakze pilot? You shoot him down? It's a comic coze pilot. His whole game plan is to fly his plane into your into your ship. How do you fight

Man, that's what.

It's the same situation, Like I said, with the beef I had with me and with me and Homie, that's a fact. It's the same. And then we didn't even go there. You get me quick. Didn't say your mama. I didn't say your mama or your family or your kids, and nothing we didn't even go that route.

We kept it on fuck you, fuck you.

Our ship came behind the affiliations with the gang ship. That's what made our ship so fired up because it could have stayed on some nigga fuck you, fuck you, fuck you fuck you because we didn't even like you said, we didn't do this. We didn't do no crossing of paths, you get me, So it could have stayed on the fuck you fuck you rap suit until one day it'd have been like, yeah, I'm cool, I'm cool. But for the fact that outside of us, you got correct niggas over here and blood niggas over here.

And then.

I think what really happened, how it really got heated, was when the calling of the sets came into it. That's what took it to the next level. Because I tried to keep it because I was true hip hop nigga, even though I'm trying to gang bang and shit, I had real hip hop respect for hip hop. Thus I knew that dissing came aim to play in hip hop. I saw fucking Big Daddy Kane and whatever I saw LL and koom O D. I saw motherfucking k r S and mc shan and you know, I saw the distance.

It came to play.

With that situation because then trag New Park was mentioned. So now it's taking it out of the element of back and forth dissing each other, and now it's beefing now because now niggas are niggas are like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying that the affiliation was tagged on to it. So like you said, I can't control old niggas. You give me I'm at home. I mean he spoke about it on a song. Niggas was at the club with them. I wasn't nowhere near around. I'm

Now, if that ship between you and.

Eight, that's y'all, But now you're on us, So now we feel like we have to step in and represent you get me. So that's the differences of it. That's what came to play and all because I never thought of going, Hmmm, I'm gonna rap about this nigga baby mama and his kid, or I'm gonna say something about his motherfucking mama or some shit like that. I've never once thought of doing some shit like that. I wanted to keep it hip hop, even though it was on some gangs.

Shit, I think if you did a shit back like that back then, I think motherfuckers might have died.

Though.

Yeah, and you you, like I said, we used to bag, but we knew we was doing friendly bantering, playing with each other, and nigga, you could bag against a nigga you didn't even know.

But it's on the aspect of like at.

A rap battle, we gonna battle, battle, battle, and then at the end of the battle, all right, my nigga whatever whatever. That's just like if you bagging against somebody nigga, your mama this or your mama that, niggas know it wasn't.

But even with bagging, you always get somebody to take off. You already get that one dude to get mad and take off.

Yes, that's why I said, you have to know who you You gotta know you exactly got know you bagging against you gonna get That's what I was trying to explain to Elliott Wilson. Everybody ain't playing about this. You're not playing about your wife, your kids or whatever. His homies ain't playing about the hood. Everybody not playing about certain things. So you have to know who you dealing with before.

You start, got it. You gotta keep it in that. You gotta keep it to sparring and don't let it turn into an actual boxing match. You get me, keep it on spark, hey man, you know telling it to hold up? Hold up, We ain't gonna go there. You get me. But once, like I said, once you start going to personal shit depending on who you dealing with. I don't even want to play with you no more. Now I want to.

Fight or now it's gonna go to somewhere else. Got my mama, What the.

Fuck my mama got to do with the fucking even when you look at the n W the fuck my mama got to there with some hip hop songs and ship.

You remember when Easy and Trey and them was going back and forth. You never heard the niggas say nothing nobody's mama nigga.

You ain't seen your kid in ten in two years and I heard you wasn't paying child support and ship like they wasn't doing shit like that. Nigga was like, nigga, fuck you. Okay, yeah, nigga, fuck you nigga. And then niggas wasn't like I'm living in a girl heels or Nigga, I'm over here and Calabasas Nigga, Nigga, I'm pulling up in the in the eight fifty.

Nigga.

Well, Nigga, I got the motherfucking Nigga was no, it was just nigga. It was rap, fuck you, fuck you, and we're gonna leave it at then.

Before we get up out of it. I gotta talk about this, right. I know Height probably don't want to talk about this ship, but I got to. You know, Game took off on Ross.

Right oh, with the he put he put the record out there.

He put the record out Ross didn't even respond back to him. I told Glass, I said, Ross not gonna respond back to him. I don't think he is either. Why should he Why shouldn't.

You think he's not gonna respond because he don't want no street beef no? Or do you think he just feel like he's too superior to respond, I think he feels like he's above that.

He above that because you think about it, and he was just going at Drake. So why did all this shit happen? Why did all of it? They were all they had the whole little.

Click though, Oh, Ross, Drake, Game, Ross, Lil Wayne. They were all getting on each other's records break even with Drake and and Ross and Drake and Future. They just get They just did a big record together, Drake in Future with the with the with the African girls sing.

But what I've heard, I mean, I can't speak on these men. I don't know all. The only person I know personally is Game, and I know I know Ross too, But everybody else I don't really know them.

Why Why do you think Game just jumped on Ross? Can I tell you?

Game been trying to catch a catch a fade and rapped for years though, even when he put out the documentary and not the documentary, uh the recent most recent album he just put out with Hippoy, he was he was trying to rap against eminem The game Game is a game is is Game is really like a really dope MC and Game is definitely and he's crazy, so he so he'd be looking for a sparing partner, like I think he look at it just like he really want to rap.

I'm gonna tell you one thing, he definitely. I'm gonna tell you one thing I.

Do like about Game now is that he's not going there talking about you. He's the throwback to.

What I like.

He's not gonna going in and talk about your mama, your kids. He's gonna say you fed and tripped over trying to chase it.

She's he gonna go my Nigga is a lyricist.

You know.

He not gonna do no ship though I didn't understand it, but this is what I said, and I told you this. I said, Ross not gonna respond. But Ross is way more capable of what motherfucker's given credit for us as a hip hop head.

Why why would he just drake in that game? Why he don't feel it's significant enough?

No, I think that he just with everything going on with with with Ka, he just he added on to that like he was like, Oh, we're finally going at this, dude. Let's go at this dude. Because I think they've always had they little you know, stuff back and forth, and I don't know these things personally, I've always I just heard the stories about how you know, Drake get down

That he's a playboy nigga.

I don't know if he slapped him or not. But I'm just saying I've heard that that's how he get down, that's how he moved.

Being politically correctcause you I don't know that well, I don't know.

So why do you think Ross won't go back at Game. I don't think he. I don't think he looks at it as not. He think he's scared of a street fight.

I don't think it's a street fight. You know what, though, I don't think my nigga Game will will he will.

He will.

He will want to fade. Like you said, he will fight.

You and rap you. He'll do either or he cool cool. Why do you think Game?

I mean Ross won't take that that that line that game and tossed in the lake.

I don't think he tripping like that.

But you gotta remember Ross went again fifty when fifty was in his prime and survived just with sheer music.

What you call that a pick and choose battle, like you know Nigga's pick and choose who they fight. I fight this nigga, but I ain't gonna fight this nigga, of course.

You know what I have found to be odd though, And again I don't know they do it because I don't want the mother for getting mad at making no song about me shit, you know, But I just find it odd man, that Games one of That's biggest supporters. You know, that was on a lot of Games albums early on. You know, the game was popping, you know what I mean. I just found it odd that it's like he went at one of Ross's that you know, Drake's detractors. He didn't get in the middle of it.

Oh, I think it's just in the spirit of him. He you gotta you gotta remember Game is an mc bro. Yeah, he is for ship but White Ross though, because Ross is a Rosses in the middle of that stuff. And he's like, oh well this is over now tag me in. Let's I want to get cracking with homie.

But like you said, a lot of people, just like you said, he nigga. I'm looking for any nigga who want to give him up or sparing with as far.

As he might rap. Bro, he willing to rap against whoever he want to rap, fade with whoever. He don't care who it is. He just want to rap fade and that I really don't think it's personal. I think he said it actually when he was when I seen him on an interview, he actually said He's like, Bro, I'm not trying to beat up beat up nobody. I don't want to fight. I don't want nobody this rap. He's like, I want to rap. I think he just

Yeah, he just shut.

It.

Mean, like I said, is.

Unfortunately, you know, there's no rules in hip hop. I mean, there's no there's no code to follow or whatever, like I mean, it's it's just, it is what it is.

You could do business with a nigga. That's just in the regular world.

You do business with a nigga today and everything is all good six months from now. You like nigga, I don't never fuck with you again. You get me, It's real, it's just business. You get me. What you think about quest Love saying that the Tupacc hit him up.

He said it. You know, I saw, I saw a quest said. I've seen I seen when he wrote and then also watchington. I also watched the video what he said to read to respond to what everybody was saying to him. And I understand where he's coming from. But I don't think that. I think it's a I think it's kind of an archaic way to look at things. And you have nuanced once you age. Y'all haven't been through a lot of shit in this in hip hop. You know what I'm saying. You just talked about your

You know what though, too, We are in the era man and where people don't really listen to what people say, right, they'd take a small portion of what you say it's all clips and lead with that and say, well, man eight went on there and dismantle them.

You know what I'm saying.

It's like they kind of twist your words up. I think what he was saying, and I kind of like, once I looked at it, I kind of had to agree with him a little bit. It wasn't he was saying the track was kind of R and B ish. You feel what I'm saying. He didn't say nothing derogatory about the music. He could say he thought the track was soft.

No, no, no, I know that, but I'm not talking about that. I'm talking I know what he said. I'm not I'm not saying that he bashed young young people or hip hop. I'm saying that's what they got from it. That's what they received from it, right exactly. They didn't hear. He was just talking about the music. He a request Love is a real musicians and shit like he really is a genius for real, so he understands, Like I just

On the way you all washed.

So what I'm saying is I'm learning this too. I don't go in the studio and say this record trash no more. I don't even volunteer my opinion. I wait for somebody to ask me my opinion, and then I give you my opinion. But that's something I had to learn as I've gotten older. And that's all I'm saying. I understand. I know what he was saying. He was just like, bro, why would you put this? Why would you make that kind of record over this music like this? There's records for.

That, right.

I get what he's saying, because he's a real musician. He really like is for real? You know what I mean? Quits Love's next level. Yeah, he's a real musician. I get what he's saying. That's not what people took though, And that's what I'm saying. The message gets misconstrued when you don't say it properly, or when you don't say it in a way that people receive it.

Yeah, because sometimes it's just the fact that some of these people, in this newer generation of that we have, you have to really dumb down shit for them to all the shit. Because you could say a word to a motherfucker they looking like what and it's just as simple as plain as day.

But are.

Our youth sometimes, you know, don't want to be educated to the simple fact of shit, you know. And like I tell someone, I say it all the time. I was once eighteen nineteen, I once had that head of nigga.

You old as monthful.

You can't tell me nothing, not that I did that towards any of my OG's or anybody that I respected before.

Me as far as hip hop is concerned.

I never told a motherfuck, but I had that mind state of nigga. I'm young, nineteen, got a record nigga from the hood. You can't tell me a motherfucking.

I agree with you. That's just the youthful you bris, you know, I think, But I also think to what you just said.

You think you know it all definitely until you don't, until you know you don't, or you mature enough to know.

Damn.

I thought I knew a gang of shit, and I really don't know a lot. So you start being able to accept and starting to be able to appreciate, being able to get mature and learn the right shit, like I said, because those critical years man for some.

For us youth, it.

Just be hard.

Niggas just be hard headed. I mean that's all. We just be hard headed, especially if you come from the sides that we've come from. We be a little hard headed until we can mature enough to be like, you know something, it is what it is? You know what I'm saying, i'm'a give it to you raw and none cut, and I'm not trying to disrespect you or whatever. But the knowledge that I've learned by now that I gotta be able to talk to you straight up, you know

Yeah. I think as you get older, man, you just have less time for the bullshit until motherfucker's what it is. I'm with that. I I don't. I'm with that one. Less time for it?

Yeah, sing that song and dance and the sugar coat shit. It's just really a lot of wasted time, man's time, real talk.

Waste the time, man. Well we about to se what do y'all.

Say, the perception that there's a West Coast bias that we support everybody from the West even if there's tight and does that say thing apply to me?

I want to want to recapt it, say the question again.

Yeah, I want to say. Use you know when you come in like that, Brian, you just sound like a nigga on the podcast Out of Nowhere. Well, I don't be question he said, is there a bias because niggas feel like we support everything even if it's trash on the West Coast as far as to on the East Coast.

I'm I'm gonna say, but I'm so there's nuanced to it, though, And I don't want to get into a science class or a social studies class. But there's a reason why things are set up the way they are. And that's a great question, by the way. But for the people who listen to this show when it comes to West Coast from a music standpoint, it's not just music, it's culture. We are in Mexico, it is what it is. This land was stolen from Mexicans. That's a fact. Go back

Don't dance in the club no more man, And honestly, I don't think that.

Honestly, I think.

We're the one motherfucking coast that don't really support their artists.

As much as they should.

Well, that's what I was about to say.

I think, I think, I think, I think down South and East Coast support which still are like they just don't support us here. Who is day though, I'm talking about people period are.

Look at look at also too from not and I'm not I'm not copying. I'm not caping for these for any infrastructure or any people. But LA is also the number two market in the country. So this is another stigma, right, So the top five media markets in the country. Number one is New York. This is per capita based on population and people who consume media and music and stuff like that. Number one is New York, Number two is LA, Number three is Chicago, number four is Dallas, and number

Well, what I was going to say was this when we was down South, ain't getting way more love down here than me get out here. And it sounds crazy as it sounds. So we at this spot. It's a girl from South Carolina that come up to him rapping his shit word for word. I just thinking, I think the thing about la is La is just too cool too. Everybody out here is a actor. Everybody out here is a actors. Everybody out here as a rapper. Every one you meet is a DJ. This is the me too

Me too. I do that too. Yeah. I actually went went to a party BT weekend. It was more people in the VIP line and it wasn't the regular line.

That's what I'm saying. It's like, Nope, like your addicts, nobody wants to be regular.

You could have got in faster by going in general mession and get in in the VP line. That was a true story, but it was. But that's what it is. And I think the Me and Glasses talked about this. The one mistake I think a lot of us made, which I'm not making that mistake anymore, is running away from Hollywood. That's what this place is. So when you when you when you shun it and go against it, it's more like now you're putting yourself on the outside of the business instead of just using it for what

But yeah, here we around be here all night man. Yeah for sure, we missed around be here all night man.

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