Diary of a Hitman w/ Sammy The Bull

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I don't have my crime. He's here with me today. James is in the hospital. He's doing well. He's going to get some surgery, getting the shoulder took care of, and eight is out on tour. But the day I'm going to hold it down with one of my favorite guests of all time, kind of notorious in his own right, Mr Sammy the Bull. Man, I'm stale and uh there's just a second time I'm around, and uh, great guy, and I'm looking forward to the interview, and uh, let's

here what happens for sure? Man, for sure, we have us a good time. Man. We're gonna ask some of these questions. Man, we got had like thousand people send me questions for you, but I got my own ship. I want to ask you first and get that out the way first. You know, everybody knows your reputation. Man, now you've confessed to being involved in nineteen murders. How

were you we first committed your first murder? I believe I was four as old and when I did my first one, and uh, I was just a member of the Colombo family. I was an associate. It came down from the boss Joe Colombo to call my persico to a guy named Shorty Spirit who was my boss. And um, I got the contract. So when we talk about contracts, what does that mean? The name is not enough? Some

piece of paperwork somewhere floating around. Yeah, well it's you're the guy who's going to be the guy who's doing the shooting and doing the hit. You're in charge of the hit and you're calling all the shots and they give you a guy's name who's gonna go the reason why, and uh, that's about it. It's as simple as that. Now, what happens when it's one of those situations and this is the person that you actually care about, like this is a good friend of yours. Have you ever had

that moment? Oh? Absolutely, I mean absolutely, But you know it depends on when it comes down what you did. If you broke rules, certain rules and goes to austra um, you have to go. Now, if it's personal, it is what it is. If he broke certain rules, we all take an oath to be in that life. We all understand the rules and regulations. Now, if I broke the rule, maybe he would be shooting me. But he broke the rule, it wasn't me, and there's nothing I could do about it.

And that oath has took him pretty seriously, or it's taken very seriously. Wow, So you get a guy that's been your friend for years. You guys could have grew up together, and they say that this guy has to go. He has to go, Yes, yes, more or less. I mean you can talk for him the depending, you know, trying to save his life. You can try to reason with the bosses and whatever. But if the reason is too great he broke a rule that's you know, sacred to them, then he's just gotta go. There's nothing you

could do about it. Wow, man, that's deep. Man. Now, you were involved in to hit him the Gambino cryme boss Podcastiano. Yes, and was that to authorize it? No, that could have ended up in some big ship man, if it went wrong. Huh. Oh, absolutely actually did go wrong. I mean we did lose guys. Frank Chico was blown up four months later, the guys Eddie Leno. There was guys who were killed. It. It broke into a little

bit of a war. We were so powerful John Gotti and myself and a few others that it was hard to come against us. We just had an army, We had a hundred shooters with us, so it's really was hard. So they had to do things. When they did it, they did it real sneaky, so we wouldn't know who did what. So but that we did lose some guys. That was a dangerous time. Now what makes you guys the side? Uh, pretty much contract that guy's life with

a contract that on podcast out. Well, he made a lot of mistakes that would just when you're the boss, your word ist gospel. But still you've gotta be fair and there's things that you can do. You could put your own life in jeopardy. And that's exactly what happened. Now John Gotti and his crew there was a rule about not dealing drugs. You deal drugs and you die. Him and his crew got caught deal in drugs. Um, he was in trouble. His whole crew was in trouble.

But Paul made so many other blunders and so many things that guys didn't agree with that rather than killing John, we decided to take out Paul and change the life around and bring it back to what it was supposed to be. If he didn't do all his crimes, then maybe John Gotti would have and uh, we wouldn't help him. Wow, that's deep, man. And do you think he ever saw it coming? No? Obviously not no, no, he never It's it's so we put it together so well together. I

actually planned the hit. It was in midtown Manhattan, in front of Box steakhouse. It was five thirty at night, right before Christmas, mobs of people in the street, cops everywhere. He never saw that coming and that that's what I looked for, and I knew the confusion would help us get away with it and would confuse everything. And it worked to a tape. We had eleven guys on the hit. Bad Guy's crashed cause four shooters who would shoot Paul and Tommy Bloody, his driver, bodyguard. So it just came

down smooth. Wow. It seems like there's an enormous amount of planning that goes into this. It's just not like the stuff that you see the day to where dude is um walking up the liquor store and the characterized by and hits everybody else around the guy except the attended venthom. You know, they shoot kids, grandmother's, mamas and everybody else. It seems like when you guys were out there doing your thing, you put a lot of meticulous

effort into it. We were planning this for about eight months to get the right spot, and I a great We make sure it's not in front of families, um, their own family. Uh, we try to pick a spot where we could do it properly and without hurting innocent people. But by the same token, if anybody would have interfered with that hit, they would have got hit to so but nobody interfered. Everybody reading and screaming, yelling, shots flying all over the place. But it wasn't all over the place,

it was into their bodies. They were right up on top. No, no shooting from a car. We were right up Their shooters were right up on top of the guys. The guns were probably inches away from them when they were pulling triggers. So nobody would get hurt. The whole team had to move away from that hit. We had to work together. We had a thing that it was a do or die hit. It had to be done, and

you don't move until the whole team moves. If you move or tried to run before the team moved, then you better keep running because we're gonna kill you too as soon as we get you. Wow. Man, So this dude ever dimly pissed a lot of people off. Man. People were upsetting at them. They decided he has to go. So you guys playing this um, did anybody at any point they were trying to talk you guys out of moving forward. No, because it wasn't discussed with very many people.

It was a small little group of us. There was we called it the Fist. There was five guys who were important in this. We called it the Fist, and uh, it was us. We didn't I didn't even I had a crew. I didn't talk to my crew about it. Um, they didn't know what was going on. Just one guy in the crew. I did talk to it. This guy, the old man Joe Pruda, because at one point we considered him to be the guy who was going to

do the work. They would stop before they went to court every morning in a Greek dinner, they would sit near the toilet. We were gonna put a shot cut in the bathroom. Pruder could have went into the bathroom, opened the door, come out and pop the two of him right away, and that we would have shoot his all over the place to back him up. But the same place that Paul and Tommy would stop before any breakfast before they went to court, a whole shipload of

cops did the same thing. There was just too many cops there, so that plan went down the drain. But That's why I talked with the old man Pruda, and he knew, But the other people in my crew I didn't even tell them. So when you guys, um, what's that process like, when you guys are deciding who's gonna actually actually be the one to pull the trigger, how does that process go? Well, I believe you know that's not important. The planning of the hit of where he

can't get away one? Two, where we could get away? Three? Where's the police? And who would be a backup shooter to shoot it out? If we're shooting it out with the cops, who would back up the shooters? Um, we picked the four shooters, but every guy on that hit could have been a shooter. It it doesn't it doesn't matter, you know. I I've always trying to uh learned. It doesn't matter who pulls the trigger. It's the man who makes the plans, plans it, where it's done, it's done efficiently.

No matter which way you turn, you're gonna bump into one of us and you're gonna get hit. Now all of all of a sudden, he becomes the shooter. So it doesn't really matter if a gun jams, there's people there the The idea of it is to do it quick effectively without hurting innocent people. When you start hurting innocent people like you said to but drive by, you come by and you open the window and start shooting.

When you hit innocent kids, or innocent women, or people who are innocent to the whole thing, you're gonna bring an enormous amount of heat. It seems like the law enforcement they'll investigate this to no end, but they don't really give a fuck when you're shooting each other. But when you're shooting innocent people, you're gonna bring the wrath of the entire fucking system down on you. So it depends on how you want it. That's the way the mafia does it. We plant, we're in no rush. We

watch you day and night. We'll pick a spot, we'll plan it, and um, you're gonna go just a matter of time. Wow, Because you know what, we see a lot of people like, oh, I love gangster ship. I'm gonna be honest with you, I love gangster ship. So whether it's about to tell your mofia F thirteen Black Guerrilla Family, I'm in all that ship. Right. So you're a guy, you're a gangster for all predical purposes. You know,

you're a gangster. I'm a gangster. I'm literally a gangster all my life before that, I was a kid, I was dyslexic, I had trouble in school. School wasn't my thing. So I belonged to a gang, the Rampus street gang. Nothing sophisticated, just a bunch of young turks running around and doing stupid ship most of the time. And when I was nineteen, I got drafted during the Vietnam War and went to military being taught to kill because you're gonna you probably we will be involved in the war.

I came out. I was twenty one years old. Um At I became an associate of the Colombo family. At I did my first piece of work, meaning a hit, and from that point on, I was you know. After a while, I was transferred from the Colombo family to the Gambino family. I was with this old man, the old man Tatto, very wise, very powerful captain, and he's the guy who actually told me, um that using your

head is the most important thing. My Gumbaa was a tough guy, Ali boy Como and uh Tatto one time grabbed me says I'll come every time there's a stick up. You're walking in the store with the gun first and ali boys behind you. I said, he's a tough guy, bro, he's got my back and I'm comfortab. But with that, he said, yes, he is a tough guy, he said, but he's renacting reactionary. If there's a problem, a cop walks by, I don't even know what's going on here,

he's gonna start shooting. He's not gonna try and think his way out of it. Whatever, He's gonna start shooting immediately. You got brains, you think if you reverse that and you're the backup shooter or the backup guy, you're gonna think and try to think your way out of it. You don't have to necessarily start shooting. If there's a problem, you will shoot. I know that, but you'll think first, try to do it the other way around. I thought about it, and I started doing that, and I thought

that he was right, Michael Mada. I loved him, a real tough guy, but he would shoot you right away, no hesitation, and I didn't want that. We don't have to be on the murder. We're on a stick up. If we could think our way out, if there's a problem. Let's do that. It's one thing to do a stick up, it's a whole another thing to leave a body and do a murder. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk to you about. You know, recently in l A. L A has actually had a rash of robberies that have

resulted and people getting murdered. I'm talking about high profile guys. You know, a guy sitting in the restaurant with his fiancee eat lunch and he gets murdered for his chain. I thought that was ridiculous. I said, you know, when when do we start, like when did the victims of robbery started getting murdered and shot in cold blood? It's crazy to me. And I think that goes back to what you said about planning things. These things obviously aren't planned.

I think it's the thing that we're literally somebody is in the restaurant. They called and say, hey, he's just guys in here shining. Let's get them. Somebody comes in. I think you was you know, some people are scary, man, some people are shoot you. Yeah. But I was in prison with a guy and uh, he went in to bodega and went in with have gone to rob it, and uh, he pulled his gun out, told the guy

to give him his money. The guy opened the register, got all the money, the money under the count, everything, and gave it to him. And he shot him and killed him. And he was in prison with me. So I told him, why did you shoot him? He gave you the money, he said, said he he could have been a witness. Then why the fund did you wear a mask? A mask? They don't think the guy's gonna give you the money. If you wore a mask, you robbed him and give you the money, He's not gonna

be a witness. Obviously, you don't want to have to shoot him. And now you're facing not only robbery, but a murder case, and it gets more intense. It's one thing for bodega or a story to get robbed. It's a whole nother thing on the murder, you know. And I've been seeing that, you know, from the drive by shootings to the robberies like that. It's always a whole bunch of needless blood ship. Yeah, And I would think if that was my business crime, I would want I

would want to at least the least attention possible. I want to come in that's what I'm doing and be gone right. And now the guy may not even want to be a witness. He said. Listen, I don't even want to get involved. I gift the guy the money. I don't know what he looks like. I don't know he was black, he was managed, he was white, whatever. He don't want to even get him off. Now you're forcing all kinds of things. I'll give you another example.

This I would did time with these kids is M thirteen. Kids. Now you belong to a gang. You're killing people to rob a bike. You're killing people four kinds of ship. Now you belong to this gang M thirteen. Now you remember, you get arrested as an M thirt team member, and it's not from murder for anything. The public hates you. You're never gonna be the case. As soon as they hear he's a member of the M thirteen, you're dead. Even if you're innocent, you ain't gonna beat this case.

They hate you. The prosecutors of go with that case. They're usually good prosecutors. Damn investigators are cops or FBI. You're going down with some broken ass lawyer, some fucking ex cop who's half a drunk and you're gonna go fight a case with a with a rap sheet of that, you're the m thirteen. You're dead. You better take a fucking pleat you're dead. You can't win the case, so you'll have that rap you you use giving yourselves that rap.

The mafia don't do that the mafia. The public looks that at the mafia and says, well, they kill each other because they break rules. They don't hurt us. It's a different mentality. Not that we beat cases that much, but yeah, at least you got a shot. Yeah, I've never heard the one thing I've never heard. I've never heard of a bunch of keys getting killed behind the tell your mafia, no, you won't. You hear that normal street gang stuff. You hear about us all the time,

you know. And and even now they got a thing to where a lot of these rappers are getting them dieted because of their rap lyrics. Right, they're they're burying themselves. They're burying their own people, their own race, that they their own worst problem. Look what's going on in Chicago. It's insane. You are killing each other for a spot. This is my drug spotty. I'm on to take over your drug spot. You could argue to fight, you could

do whatever you want. But when you start killing people that twenty two shootings in a weekend, six pie people, that I mean, how are you ever your your heart? Hurting yourselves a hundred thousand percent? You know the thing he was, it's gotten so bad in Chicago, they they're stopping. Um. I think it's a threat. I wish I could find

this ship. But if you threatened the public official, if you threatened somebody, if you kidnap somebody, if you attempt to kill somebody, they're letting you out of exagil No, they're not people for those crimes anymore. They're gonna be let going to their court. Data Rise. That's almost like that ship. What's that movie The Purge? It almost sounds like that, almost like that condoning it. Yeah, brother, you kill people you want to. Here's how I look at it. I'm not a black guy, but I look at it

as a black guy. Why the funk would you let these guys go? Because you're letting them go in our community. It's gonna kill our people and you don't give a fuck. Yeah, it's crazy and it I mean that that's racist. To me, you're letting this guy go who's fucking completely nuts and he's gonna kill more black people, but you obviously don't care about that. I'm gonna try to find this ship, but they're letting people go with some crazy ship. Attempted murder,

all kind of ship. Thereeo is right there, you found it. Illinois nonentertainable offenses beginning January first, two thousand twenty three. Aggravated battery, aggravated d u y, aggravated fleeing artis and burglary, drug induced homicide, intimidation, kidnappering, robbery, second degree murder, threatening a public official. So that means, now just imagined, I'm a kid that has a living that bullshit. Anyway, a guy comes into my house, he smacks my mom around,

he smacks my daddy around, steal some ship. We call the police, They come and grab this motherfucker. I go outside. Six hours later, this ain't motherfucker's sitting across from me drinking a beer. Yeah, what the fund is supposed to have no mouth will blow this guy's brains up when he comes to my house. Right, And with my point is that they don't care because that kid is gonna go not only to your mama now, she's gonna his mama now. And they're both black people and they don't care.

Stop Stop that kid. You got a cop who puts his knee on somebody, he does the wrong thing, Bury him. You got a black guy who's doing that to black people. Bury hi boy. He's gonna keep doing it. So you're giving him a more or less a license. Man, I grew up a tough kid. If I had a fucking license to go out and do anything I want, only God knows what you would do. But we had. You know, you you're gonna go away for doing those things when you take that away. You just gave this kid a

license to do what the funk he wants. Yeah, really, it's crazy right now. Yeah, that's insane. I don't even know. It's hard to answer that because it's politicians off the hook. I mean, how could you be a politician and make those lords. That means you don't care about those black lives in Chicago? What what are the answer is there? You don't care? Well, you know what I think needs to happen, Sammy um And I said this one is

young man lost his life. See, I have a son that has worked very hard to get where he's at. And ever since this kid was little, always see it there that I want a big gold chain. He saw a picture of two parts of corps. You know, kids are influenced by people they see. He saw Tuthpac when he was a six year old kid. He told me, Dad, I'm gonna get me a shame like that one day and the first piece of little money he got went out of bottom of Shane. No, he wasn't hanging out

in the neighborhood. He was at a super Bowl party with other NFL players and you know these guys. He walks out the club. Club guy comes, puts a gun in his chest. And he did just what I've always told him. Don't be a tough guy. Somebody got to drop on you. Put a gun in your chest, give them whatever the funk they want, don't do no argument. So he did that. So I get the call six o'clock in the morning. First I'm piste off, I'm mad, but then I'm thankful. I'm saying, you know what, I'm

glad my son was able to call me. Fun that Shane. He has his life, absolutely, you know, he has his life and I think, um, we need to start getting upset as the community when we got assholes out committing crimes like that, just when Johnny Officer Law does the wrong thing, just like you go out and protests behind that, go out and protests when we got these asks those that have been doing the same thing in the community for the last forty years, and you're just allowing them

to get away with nobody says anything. Be just as upset because I think what happens he is man. I think people that do crying when they keep their intentions on other people that are in the same field as them, I don't think it's nothing wrong with that, because you know what you're getting into. If I decided to pledge allegiance today to the crypt Or Bloods, I expect to live a certain type of lifestyle that I expect to have problems when I go certain places. I'm asking for that.

But for the person that's not asking for that ship, they shouldn't be involved in that show. Agree. I agree a thousand percent shame thing with the mafia. I take this show. I know I will kill or be killed according to our rules, but there's no rules in the mafia where I'm gonna kill innocent people. The whole mafia will despise me because they'll know that what kind of heat it brings us. It gives us a different it gives you a deaferent, the public a different look at you,

and after many times, they have enough for you. But what the politicians are doing confuses me because I just don't get it, unless they just want these crimes to continue for some reason. Whatever the reason is, I don't know, and I don't understand it, But I don't understand why the black community would vote that person in and vote them in again and again and again. What the fuck are you doing for them? You're the representative they voted

you in and you're allowing this. I'm talking to any everybody, my my black brothers and sistance people I've done time with. Bro Get rid of them. Get rid of them. I don't give a fun Democratic Republican or what he is. Get rid of him because you're fighting for you, You're fighting for your community. This guy's putting them in your community. He's not putting them in mind, he's putting them in

your community. So if he can't even have the decency to do that, I don't cave a funk, what color he is, or what nationality is, or if it's a man or a woman, get rid of him. He needs to go with one of the people on that. They said, if you threaten the public officials, So that means that the mayyor Chicago pisses me off, I can kick him, come out of his office, choke him out, pistol with him a little bit, and I'm gonna be free until I go to court the mayor. But that's what it says. Yeah, yeah,

but I mean I doubt that. I mean they say a lot of things. You know, Obama just said, you know, letting the borders stay open, people coming in, it's cool. They just dumped the whole bunch of people in Martha's venue and he called the police and he called the National Guard to get the people away from his fucking house. So, I mean, they say one thing, but they it's they say one thing. It's good for them because those people they're letting in, as long as them in front of

your houses, they there, it's a good thing. Let them let them be there. But put those same people in front of their houses. And they call him the cops, they call them the military. Get the funk out of there. So, Sammy, are you a religious guy at all? Do you have any spiritual um or your spiritual at all? Very little? That's what it is with religion. I believe in God just like anybody else. I believe in God because who made this whole thing? You look at the sky, it's beautiful.

Who could make that? But religions, uh, I find don't live up to their own what they say. You know, they don't what what's what you shouldn't do? But they do the same thing. There's religions who say they were against gay people and some of their priests. So I mean, like, like, you know my religion and I was Catholic, go to go to and confess and I would go there. Give me tell me what you did wrong? No, fuck, you tell me where you did wrong, bro, don't be telling me.

That's why I'll tell me what you did wrong, and I'll tell you what I did wrong. Yeah. And and religions, it's all about money, a lot of it. So I'm not that you know, you know, I hear these stories. If you don't come true, Jesus Christ, you will go to hell. If you saved five hell marries and five our fathers will be forgiven. But if not, you'll go to hell and you go burn and you'll be tortured. Oh. I thought he was a fair guy, that he would give me a break just for saying five prayers. He

don't sounds that fair. He's gonna shut me down there to burn, beaten and tortured. And that don't sound like a pretty fair guy to me. Bro. So you're bullshitting about God. You're you're coming up with some stories that you know, you're trying to scare me into that. Yeah, well, you know, because everybody has a different belief when you die. I even think the scientoics believe one thing. Um, I'm from the Black Church. I was raised a Southern Baptist Church,

and they believe that you could die. If you're sucking up in life, you die, you go to hell, you go burn forever. And that used to always kind of bother me because she in the eye as of God. According to the Bible, I'm going according to the Bible. The Bible says that God looks at sin and sin. So whether I go out to murderer motherfucker, or I go out and steal a candy bar from the corner

store and Eyes of God. It's the same thing. He's so it's kind of like man, so God has set somebody to burn for an eternity, man for stealing the candy bar. Yeah. I don't buy all that stuff. That's what I mean. I mean about religions. They go to an extreme that I don't buy. And they you know, you know a lot of religions, everything is about money. You want to get married, then you gotta pay for a marriage certificate. You want to get this, you gotta

pay for that. You want to give contributions, you know. I it's a lot about money, and it's a lot of about what you shouldn't do. But I don't have those same rules. I could do it, but I'm telling you not to do it. I just don't buy those rules. So religion has you know. And when I was in prison, I joined the Indian Crew. I really joined it to smoke because they were passing the pipe around. It was no more smoking in the Federal and I wanted to smoke, and I got in. I got to respect their religion

a little bit. I went with Wicker. I respected das I was born as a Catholic and understood a lot of things. One guy wanted me to be a Muslim joined them. Um, I said, uh, I like pork. I like some things. No intentions to give it that up, you know me? So whatever if I go to Helpful because I've eating pork, that's fine with me. You think it's gonna be a guy up there because I believe in God, you know, I believe no offense nobody. I think everybody shouldn't have the freedom of choice to believe

in whatever they want to believe in. But I don't know, so, sam you don't think it's gonna be You don't think God is gonna be sitting up there waiting exaction, And say, Sammy the Bull, I hope there is, because I believe there's God, and God is our creator and he made everything. He made lions, and he made lambs. I happen to be a lamb lion. I'm not a lamb. So I think he'll be cool with it. You made me. You could have stopped me at any point in your life, in my life, and and I think he would be

fair and even. And I would think that the person who is, you know, preaching all this preaching stuff when he goes there and he's ahead of me. Bro I listen. At least I didn't lie like this guy was lying. He was yours in your name in vain. He was lying about you. So I think he's got a bigger problem than I got. I'm not a liar. I am what I am. I did what I did. I bet I was a lier. You made me. You could have

stopped me. You should have stopped me. Maybe now now I'm in trouble with you because of what I did. You made me. And if you believe in God, you believe that he did. He's the Almighty, and he created life, and he could stop life. You're fair enough. So recently, you know, I was sitting at home, maybe a few weeks ago, and I was watching this thing on Hulu and it was and a woman she compares you to a serial killer. Know, so I'm talking about him. I

can't remember the name of it, but it was showing ABC. Yeah. Yeah, it was something lies in the Last Gangsters and the Last Gangster When it was about me and they interviewed some woment she called me, you know, serial killer. First of all, she's some moron. She doesn't even know the death in issuing of a serial killer. The difference between a fight where somebody kills somebody, a gang, a serial killer, a mob guy. She has no conception of what she's

even talking about. But there was people like that now around us in society saying all kinds of things. There you'll they'll they'll look at you, bro, you're a big, strong black guy, and Joe call you something uh a name because they've given you a label. Everybody wants to give somebody a label when they don't even know what they're talking about. You might be the nicest guy as far as I know. This isn't my first time with you.

It's my second time. You and your friends and the guys, the other guys we were with that are not here today with you. But but I came here free will. I loved it. You treated me like a king, and you're a gentleman. I was joking with him before I was putting my my hand. There is Mount taking a picture joking, laughing. You're not evil just because you're black, I mean or something that. To me, you're not evil. So these people love giving labels. She's probably the biggest

racist on two fucking feet. She she's a black man. She ships her fucking panties and she'll call you a name. The same thing with me. I was in the mafia, and I was a hit guy, and I never killed a kid, a woman, or a legitimate guy. I did what I did as a soldier in the mafia. I was also in the mirror in the army. During the Vietnam War, I was being trained by our government to go kill Vietnamese people. It was all bullshit. So then I was good. I was gonna kill people, and it

was all bullshit. I never met a bad Vietnamese person in my life. So everything that we're telling you, the Communists are coming here, they're gonna rape your mother and your sister, that's all bullshit. It was all bullshit. I think America pretty much his intentions when they go to war. I think everything is about money. I think it's no different than what anybody else is doing. I think everything is about money. Everything comes down the money, power, run position,

money power, greed. It's all about that all the time. Every time you I turn around as a mafio. So whatever goes on, and especially if it doesn't make sense, I said, well there's money or a power move or greed, it's something there and if you look at it, it's always there. Always. You look at the whole conflict in the Middle East. I think that's behind money. You know people want oil. Yeah, yeah, it's always about money and greed and power. Look what they're doing now. I mean,

you know that the country is literally falling apart. You want to you want to leave. The board is wide open like this, fending all running around. Hundred thousand people are addicted, fifty thousand people died. I mean, where does that make any kind of sense? These politicians, the lawyers, doctors, college graduates, pH days, they know this is fucking so wrong, but they'll tell us, Oh, it's good, it's compassionate. Were

being compassionate. Yeah, you know what, we got a lot of funked up stuff going on in the country now. But I will say this, I've been all around the world and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I think America is a great country. I think we got a lot of ship we need to fix over here, though, Like I think the economy right now is about to go to ships. You can just tell like um. And I was actually talking to my wife the other day and I said, you know what, our house is worth

a million dollars. Not I don't live in the big six dollars craft foot house. I live in a condo and it's worth a million dollars now, you know. And I'm almost thinking about cash because I told my wife, I don't think that money is still be there. I don't think it's gonna be there six months from now. So if you think that we're gonna float on this,

we better take it now. If if if we're going into a full blown depression, not a recession, but a depression, that a manon dollar home that you have, you'll be lucky if you get five six thousand for it, because it ain't gonna have it's nobody's gonna no no houses, nobody's gonna everybody's gonna go bust with that. So we're living in a time. I agree with you, this is the best country on the planet. But I gotta add this.

It was we were flying here, man, my girl here, um, and I said, you know, go back two hundred fifty three h years ago. There's no there was no planes, there was no cause, there was no high rise buildings. Look at how far we came in two hundred three hundred years ago. Somewhere in that gap technology, all of these things. It's almost like I feel like we hit a peak and now we're going backwards. Are we gonna

destroy this? Are we gonna get into a water? These nuclear bombs would take out I was sitting here, and and and twenty miles in every which direction for bomb. Here. One of those fucking bombs hit over here, We're all gone. The old neighborhood. The whole thing is flattened. Trees, houses, everything would be mush where that it's too much, it's and it's too dangerous, and it's men, women and children,

and it's good people who did nothing. Well, you know, everything is kind of based on the hypocrisy, almost like I laughed at the California gun laws. If I want to go buy some bullets to day from my twelve gigs, I've got to show my d I gotta do all this other ship. It shouldn't be like that. It's my constitutional right. I don't have criminal record. I should be able to go by. If I go to Georgia, I can go in and work by forty five and walk out the same day as long as I have my

driver's license. Here they're making it more difficult for the motherfucker's that are legal to get firearms then in are and it's like, it's not like the crips and bloods and the street games. I'm gonna stop seeing crips and bloods because all of them ain't criminals. But that's a whole another story. But the guy that's living in the underworld, he's not going to the k Mark to go by twelve gates. He's going to go see his partner Wine.

Wine is gonna opened up a blank You didn't go have all kinds of straff that he has for twin two some forty five. It's nine millimeters and twelve games. Say what do you want? He's gonna give him some cash and he's gonna walk out now showing the idea. Not he's just come to make a purgise for a weapon. But now they're making it harder for the civilians to kind of take care of themselves as they got all

these fucking laws. When I think you should be able to walk around like the old West days, and it's like that in some countries. If you go to Texas, you see people walking around with the twelve games in the middle of Lake car sitting up in the stock of their car. They got pistols on the side. You know how much bullshit. How many robberies have in Arizona.

Not too many, because you gotta think twice when you're gonna do a fucking robbery, you gotta say, the guy behind the counter, the guy at the pumping the gas, they all got guns. So you gotta be a little fucking crazy. You know all of these things. I mean, look at the talking here about things as talking about, uh, they want us all to have electric cars. I just

talked with some money recently about this. There's forty million people living in California, forty million, there's proximately about thirty million cars. A couple of days ago, you had a heat wave. They notices, get you lower your in condition to shut your lights, do this through that because the grid can't carry the electric having rolling blackouts. We were sitting down watching TV and electricity just cuts out. But

think about this now. Governor Newsom says, I'm gonna make all the cards electric, thirty million cars where they're gonna plug it into If you can't handle two days of heat, that all this blackouts and how it thing happens where you're gonna plug all these thirty million cars in Biggs. Once they go to plug them and they're rock just go calls Degree to really get it. You can't handle it. There's no way. So and then this guy, they wanted to get him out, and they did a revote and

they overwhelmingly vote them in. Again, what's fun with your people? See? That's what you know what the whole thing about voting. That's another thing is I've changed my opinion about that. I has to always tell my friends they go out to vote, go out to vote. But then what I found out is that our vote doesn't really impact you. I know, and and and it's it's a lot of times it could possibly be rigged. I'm starting to believe

that too. I don't know if it's true, but so if yeah, I mean, you take away that right that we have. You know, American was great for one reason we had. It's like we're doing now. You may disagree with me about what I'm saying. I may disagree with you a black man, a white man, we could argue and talk and disagree. That's America. That's a beautiful thing. You're almost to the point where you're taking that away. I vote don't mean anything. We can't even have a conversation.

I disagree with you. He jumps up, She jumps up. This one jumps up, and it told me I got five six seven people against me. WHOA Okay, okay, I give up. I'll agree with you whatever you say, He'll agree with it. That's not America, that's not freedom. We're losing that. We're gradually losing it. Who's that black world that I like all the time? And canvas canvas own? I love her. I'll tell you the truth. I love her.

I hear her talking to black people as a white or black woman talking a black people, and she's telling them right where it's at the truth and telling them what are we doing. We give our vote, we give our voice to certain people, and they're killing us. Why are we stuck in certain places? Let's use our head and think she I love the things she said. She's a smart woman. Yeah, you know what. I think she's very smart, and I think a lot of things that

she says go over people's heads. I think people think too much in an emotional space right now. I think we've got people that are dealing with everything on an emotional level. Now and everything. I think it calls them not to really listen. I think people hear things, but they're not listening fully because a lot of this stuff she says a spot on. I think so too. And I heard a guy who was talking. It was a black guy, he was and he told her, you're not black.

I said, I said to myself, is this guy crazy? She's black? She's talking. Common said. Still, she's trying to get you to go in a different direction and change your life and get straight. And you want to say she's not black. But because she's not thinking like you, that there's that freedom thing again. You whether you agree with her or not, you gotta give hush. Hey, she's got a voice. You gotta realize what's going on. You gotta realize what's going on with a lot of people don't.

A lot of people are so indoctrinated and programmed into a certain way of thinking. They've been hearing this way, you know. Like it's like with religion. You know, I come from a religious family. We used to have to go to church every Sunday. And I swore, I said, when I get grown, I'm not going to church anymore unless I want to go because you know, in the Black Shirts. We're sitting there man, from eight o'clock in the morning to like one o'clock in the afternoon. It's like, man,

I'm starving, I'm ready to go home. I've been you know, you have to stand up. If I wouldn't stand up, my mom slept in the back of the here. I had to stand up, you know, and I was like, man, my knees are hurting, man, my feet hurt, and I'm wearing these hard and shoes. I want to go own, but we were forced to do that. So just amaic. You go through that for fifteen years, then you get married, you start kind of repeating the same cycle because you've

been taught that's what's right. I think a lot of people are in dark needed into bullshit Nowaday, Oh, there's there's no doubt. We grow up in a society, our neighborhoods where we grow up. May me, you use me. I grow up in a neighborhood that was mafia controlled, So to me, those were my heroes. You got a guy in the Bronx or whatever he comes in the black neighborhood, the guy to drug dale, he's got money,

a beautiful car or a beautiful girl around him. He's your hero as a kid you're growing up, you know, know the difference. I mean, tease your hero. So we're indocumented into our society, into what we see and what we learned, whether it's coming from our mother, our father, our priest, or whoever it's coming from. And schools, schools, I think is a nice a nightmare. Oh yeah, for sure. And you can go in. You could be guy a guy.

You you you were a very manly guy. You could say I'm a woman now, and we gotta respect that, all right, only because you're fucking nine ft tall. I'll respect that you a woman. But you wait a little bit, and the same thing, a woman could say she's a man. The best thing I heard I heard a conversation and and the guy who was thought I forgot his name, but he's talking about it, and he's saying, but I have to accept those things, right, Yes, you do? So

he asked the woman. He said, I could ask you your age, because you really I could see you're not that old, so it's not offensive. How old are you? She's just I'm in my thirties, so okay, when you're in the sixties, could you turn around and say I'm twenty three. Oh no, no, I can't. Why if he could say he's a woman, and this woman could say she's a guy, why can't you say you're twenty three?

But she couldn't even answer the question because it's that don't make sense, don't make sense, But I don't make sense the other ways too. I don't want to put them down, and that's not my my point. My point is certain things you're forcing on people that don't make sense, and you're what you're doing is fucking up all of society. Yeah, well everything is. We don't even know what to say anymore.

Everything is real fun right now, you know. Going back to the MANFIA, I want to ask you one question to tell your MANFIA always deal with law enforcement, right like you guys had law enforcement on the payroll. You guys said sometime in the police department and everything like that. How much of that thing goes on the day. I don't think much of it goes on because what the law en force spend did, especially FBI and people they took, like let's say, i'll use New York. What they did.

I know that long ago they took anybody who became an FBI agent and would come out of New York. He would go be a fucking FBI agent in North Carolina and South Carolina, not in New York. So, like, let's say me and him, we grew up in the same neighborhood. I'm becoming a mafia guy and he becomes a cop or FBI agent. Hey, Sam, how you doing? How you're doing too? We're friend we knew each other as kids. It's too tempting we might make a move

or close our eyes to certain things. So what they're doing is they're putting him in South Carolina and they putting somebody from fucking Kentucky who's an agent on me. Now we don't know each other, we don't have anything in common with each other. So what they did is break all of that up. So it's really hard to have those kind of relationships. If I grew up with a guy all my life and he was a cop, and he might need even be a bad cop. I'll

give you an example. I knew a cop. He wasn't a bad cop, was a regular cop, no take, no nothing. One day he was passed me said send me bro I'm in circles that your name just keeps popping up, Bro, what you're doing? Uh? Be careful? All right, bro? Thanks? So now I know my name is coming up in circles all over the place. But he just did that, not for money, not because he was a bad cop. Just we grew up together and he had a little sympathy to say, you know, chill more or less. He's

not He's not asking for nothing. So they break that up. They broke that up as much as humanly possible. I think it's tough to bribe them today. Well, a lot of things I'm gonna tell you what I think definitely happens. I don't think they pay those guys enough. I don't think they pay school teachers enough. Um, you think about a police officer, he risked his life right there. Nobody likes cops right so, and he's always under the threat when he pulls a guy over because he has a

broken tail light. Is this motherfucker on his third strike? Does he have a hammer in his black but to blow my brains out when I walk up to him by the window. So I think they go through a lot of ship and I think that's a lot to ask. Man. You know, some of these guys, especially when you talk about DA agents. They praad the house and they go back there and there's ten million dollars back there, and that ship is all clumped up, you know what I mean, what's to stop them from taking a little bit of

that money is stack and put in their pocket. Man. That has to be tempting. Yeah, it's tampting. And I think showing them actually do that, and what I mean, I agree with you. Cops are bad. I mean some are, but you can't take one cop. And I'll give you an example. The guy who put his knee on that guy's neck. He as soon as I saw that before the explosions happened right there, I said, this guy's dead. The guys choking, he's handcuffed. You're killing him publicly, so

you're dead. And there was all kinds of riots over it and everything like that. It wasn't even necessary. But he's a bad cop. It's not all of them, it's not every single one of them. Um And and I look at it this way. You know we're doing it in you know, they want to replace cops with social workers, right, So I look at this, we're doing an interview. He's the sound guy, right, This kid sitting over there, and uh, all of a sudden he kills over. He falls on

the floors having a heart attack. Who am I gonna call a social worker? That ain't no fucking help for him. He wants a fucking cop. He wants he don't want. He don't give a fucking black white green. He wants a cop to come and help him. Or your mother, or your wife or your sister's they raped. They don't want a psychologists maybe three months later. They want somebody to get them the funk out of that situation now.

And those people do it. So you got a bad cop, break his hold, and I give you one even better, Sammy. If I look outside, dude, if my mom says, I'm looking out the wonder and there's a bunch of guys with guns, I don't want no social worker walking up with no Manila folders and no pencils and ship. I want somebody to coming with guns. But some people, you know what I'm saying, eliminate the threat. You know. You know, Sam,

you seem to be a dude that's well versed. And every time I wanted to see what your thoughts were on something, you know, after raising ninety million dollars in two thousand twenty, Black Lives Matter has forty two millions in assets. That was just two years ago. When you talk about us doing stuff for the community, we need to ask those questions, what the funk are you doing with the money? I know, I think I know what

they do with the money. Kansas show, and I saw her going and somebody's house who's one of the leaders there, And she's living in a fucking lily white neighborhood and a fucking million dollar fucking home with fucking white bodyguards telling Kendi's own and you're threatening me. I left my head off because that's a joke. She's going out telling, you know, I'm bringing money for Black Lives Matter, you know, help the black people. They gave money all kinds of people,

like you said, ninety million. Where the money go It went into her buying the house. Her brother is a fucking broken down lawyer who's she's paying him a million dollars a year. That's where that money went and went south, so to speak, you know what? And and I hope because a lot of people still behind that man, And I think we need to start doing a bitter job as a society and as a people, especially my people are actually researching stuff because we see something just because

it's his Black Lives Matter? How who do we notice behind that? No, there's no you know. The best is listen to this one. We sent fifty or sixty billion dollars to Ukraine. Finally we sent a group down there who says, show us what you did with the money that we're spending. Thirty percent of the money, sixty billion dollars is accounted for the other money because I'm gonna tell you this sevty billion, where'd it go? What do

you mean it's thirty billion is accounting. I'll tell you where it wanted When to get the moss up the top out of that ship. They said we are here as soon as they got the sixty big and they said we're gonna And I hope it didn't happen that way, man. But the country has turned to a lot of bullshit.

You can't say what you want to say no more. No, everybody's trying to everybody's on the tape, including Black Lives Matter, all of those people, the N double A, c P. Everybody else, because they don't do anything I have yet to see because you know what I never understood. I got a friend that works for the company unified school district. They have new laptops, new computers in this building, and he says, man, they won't let us take him out. Why do we buy all this ship to keep the

sitting there? And the kids are using steph in the class from this years old? Nothing makes sense just behind. But they got a whole place full of new computers, and they were talking about all these computers have been stolen. Somebody's stolen computers. But maybe if they were in the classrooms where they're supposed to be, maybe not. And I just think everybody's gonna take man it is I think so too. I agree with that. It seems like everywhere

you look, everything that don't make sense somebody's taken. Now. I would say, if that's the case, I would say, where did you buy these computers? What store? Maybe his uncle loans the store and he winds up buying three hundred computeries or five thousand computers and then making a ton of money. It becomes obvious she didn't me in the mafia. I look at everything like that, follow the money, following where it went, and and all of a sudden,

you'll open up who Yeah, I said this too. These electric cars, all the politicians, I would like to see their investments. Are they investing in electric cars that they want us to all buy electric cars? I believe, Yeah, I believe. So they've incentivized it because you could tell you get taxed to get Brian, you get tax breaks on that ship, you get all can't you save all kinds of money? So please believe somebody is getting a kick back. Man. I just think there's no question, you

know what. I just think America as a whole is rand is governed under gates gangsterism. Yeah, I don't know where it stops. I told somebody this morning, and I want to tell you, you're not an old man. Twenty years from now. Your grandkids going to come to you, Grandpa, where the funk were you twenty years ago? Are you

allowed this to happen? That's what's gonna happen to us. Me. I won't be here twenty years from now, but there's a lot of people in their thirties and forties and twenty something years twenty years, they're gonna say, where the funk were you? How did you allow this to happen, you might be here, Sammy, you'd be ninety seven then, right, yeah, you might. Man with technology, man, we just talked about technology. I'm gonna tell you some ship and this is gonna

go way you left. I was looking at some stuff that the day online. They said that they're close to figuring out the way. I wouldn't be surprised if they had it to where they can take your conscience you're conscious, you so, and put it in the computer so you can live forever. Yeah, live like in the computer simulation. Yeah. I don't want to live in no computer, bro. When I get in bed, I don't want to want to bang shot and I don't I don't know. I don't

want to be a no box. Just just think about it though, because apparently, but if I have you heard about that, it won't be like you're in the computer, Sammy, would be just like you're here this room with us. You can they say they could. You can make this ship however you want to. If you want to go on there man and be the richest dude in there, you bet, you know, I guess you get to do your things. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a simulated reality. Yeah yeah, yeah,

but I mean, you're not a life. You just just simulator. It's not you're not really a life. You mean your brain is still in life. Yeah, I guess your brain is still left. That's what they're talking about. Man, they're talking. They're I met. I'm better off going to Hell with its strip clubs and everything. Let me go where I gotta go, don't put me in no boxing. I think, like the song says Sammy, I think if it's a hell,

I think we all going. I think you know if you if you look at what it says, I think we've all fault. I think every man and one of them is playing it has sinned in some form or another. Oh absolutely, I think so too. I mean, you know, a guy would tell me, and I believe that some guys don't treat on their wives and do talking and a couple of guys, son, I never did it. I said, let me ask you a question. When you welcome with

your wife, and I believe you. If that's what you're saying, and you see this beautiful girl or two welcome by, do you ever turn it around check it out? I think every man does. And the thing so that ship you cheated on you're you're fantasizing with this other one is would be like see, I think when you're fantasized, and I think you can admire as long as you don't stare too long and as long as you're don'na start like thinking of uh, fantasized in your mind about it.

I think that's the part when it gets bad because but I mean, when you see a beautiful girl, I mean you're not just admiring. Come on, bro, you see how you're thinking about this would be beautiful? You know what I can honestly say, Man, I don't see my wife. No, that's good, but I can admire other women about what you want to call it? My all, you want to call it fantasy, No, I don't think it's fantasized. I

might look and say. Sometimes my wife may point out to me, she said, you know you want to look because sometimes you don't think all guys have the thing that where they better not look at her. I'm gonna start some ship to day, so sometimes always look straight to hear that. My wife say, you know you want to look? Did you see that? You see that girl's ass? Like, I don't know what you're talking about, but that's what she does. You didn't see her asks, you didn't see

her tiss you know, I didn't see him. I don't know what you're talking about. I plead the fifth on that ship because you're not gonna get me cut up. As soon as I agree with her, that's when an argument of the bulls's gonna starts. Oh no, man, you know what I think just like this because I can ask my wife the same question. She don't cheat on me either, She's on with me all the time. But if she sees Denizale Washington and Mark Warburg, one of the motherfucker's on TV, Oh girl, Oh you see that

guy right there. He's a fine mother. You know, I think I think everybody is just as guilty. You don't think women if my if my she's my ex wife. Now, so if my ex wife was like, you know, looking at uh? Who who am I thinking of? Uh? Mark warmbarg of Brad Pitt? You know what I mean? And now you know I said, bro, if I was a woman, I banged him too, So I don't blame you. But

you gotta look at it the other way. You look at some playboy money that you're gonna look at remember the girl that Trump uh supposed to We had a fair with her and he was denying it and coordinate. So somebody had asked me, well, what would you say? I would take her picture and I would put it there, and I tell my wife, bro, what you want me to do? You know? And that's the thing, though, what do they call that? The hard pass? I think that's

why some people get hall passed. And there are people, you know, they are married people in the free ship right now. Man. You know you've got people the swingers and everything else, swingers and everything else. They're just invited. I couldn't do that ship right there. Ain't no way I would ever invite somebody else to my bedroom. But even me, I'm not even you saying for nobody. Nobody's coming to my bed room with me himself, hand with

all by myself. I got it. It's a big You've got a lot of stuff going on right now, man, And um, I'll see you built your media empire. You've got a lot of stuff going on. You know, people are starting to see a lot of big things, are going to see some even bigger things coming in the near future. Yeah, I'm excited for you, man, Yeah, thank you, Thank you so much. I'm working on the thing. They're talking about doing my scripted show, one of the hits

I did. They're doing thinking about doing a movie with it. I'm actually in contract now, so I really can't talk about what it is, but I'm in contract with that now. They want to do a documentary about me and now and so we're doing some pretty good things now. I got I think five hundred and fifteen thousand subscribers. My subscribing thing is going up. My social media is going up.

So I look at that and I'm enjoying it. You want to know the truth, I don't think I could have got a better thing to change my life and retire too than what I'm doing. I enjoy it. I'm having fun with it. I'm dealing with a lot of good people. I'm doing inter interviews with guys like you. I wouldn't even imagine we would probably be doing these things. But it's great. I'm dealing with great people. I love this stuff now, and it's I couldn't think of a

better thing to retire. I don't want to sit on the porch on the rock and Champ seventy seven. But I'm still active. I try to keep myself in good shape. Um so, uh, this is a great time. Now, what do your keys think about? You know what we are. Your grand keys see about Grandpa being the media mogul. Now now they like it because they understand all that computer stuff and how to go. You know, they like it. My kids enjoy it. They think, you know, your heys

having a good time with it. You know. I don't hurt nobody with it. I don't put people down for what they're doing. I talk the truth as much as I can, you know, about certain things, about what's going on in the economy, what's going on in different communities. I feel free to just say the truth. And who likes me, likes me, who don't like me, don't like me. I'm cool with all of that. Were you still standing though, Sam? You have the whole bunch of stuff. Man, that the

whole bunch of stuff. You know what. I'm wonder has anybody ever like when you went to Witness Protection and all that ship they had to be the boringes shit in the world. Uh it was I you know, they begged me to go. I didn't want to go. And what they said, Sammy, you you got five year cents with nineteen murders the first case, and they said, Uh, come on, you're gonna make us look horrible by not coming in. And I agreed with them, so I told him,

I said, you know what I'll do. I'll give you one year so you look good if that's what you want one one year. I wound up giving them eight months, and uh, and I walked away. It was boring. It was you know, I was in Boulder, Colorado, and I one thing. I have a people's person. I really am. I hated going to dinner in Boulder. Clive was the college town. Every table's got four or five six people laughing, tolking, drinking, and I'm sitting at the table by myself like a drunk.

It's just, you know, do anybody ever recognize you? Uh? Not that until I wrote the book. Once I wrote the book, people were recognizing me all over the place. People were recognizing me now by just coming down on the airlines. Some guys stopped me in the airport and uh took a selfie with me and this and that. Yeah, people are recognizing with me now. I mean I don't

look like when I was younger. I got old, But now They're starting to recognize me because all the social media now, so even with all these other wrinkles and bullshit, they're recognizing me again. So and I get a kick out of it. I never say no to somebody wants to do a selfie, you know. I feel that they're asking for that, so I do it, that's for sure. So we had a question that just came in. Are you and Michael Francis on better terms at the Media

States of America, Manfia, States of America. Yes, yes we are. We talked, you know, uh, we agreed on a lot of things we might even do. We're talking about doing a show together, just me and him with no uh body uh monitoring the show or or mediat or whatever you wanna call it. It just being him. We might talk about doing the show, but we agreed. I'm a gangster straight out and he's a racketeer straight out. Now, Patrick asked me, what's the difference between a gangster and

a racketeer. I said, the best way I could explain it is that a gangster is a tall, big, very muscular pippo and a racketeer is a beautiful poodle. So Michael Francie said, fuck, you know, but I get a lawyer. I joke with him and he jokes with me. I met his family, which made me like him more. It's got a beautiful family. It's a good father to his children. Uh. And he's a good man all the way around. Uh. And he's met my family. Uh. He's loves my son.

My son likes him, really likes him a lot. So but that it's no hard feelings between me and him. And we might even do some things together. Like I said, we're about to talk about doing a show. And because I get a ton of questions like this, he's got a huge following as well, and and he gets the same questions. So we're talking we might do a show. Yeah, you know what I want to ask you, man, because like I said, and I got we went off into

another tangent earlier. I was going to ask you this earlier. So I watched a lot of games of stuff and U I saw the thing on this hit man, the ice man. Yeah, what was the deal with that guy? He's a fucking flake, phony piece of ship. I had a case when him. He says that I had killed the cop with him a cold case the only three years probably and I got indicted on the case with him, and I'm doing the whole story about him now because he was a fucking flake. He was a liar, you know.

The cops, the FBI came to me. He said, he killed two hundred people. He killed two or three people, and he killed him for petty ship hundred. He robbed the guy shot. He was a low life and a liar, and uh, I'm gonna eventually talk about him, and uh, you know. And I was offered a plea, plea out to this murder, this of a cop cold case, and I had said no, and they said, you know, well, you you're facing god of the life. If you play out, you'll play out to the same time you get with

the government, which was twenty I got you. You won't do it. Day plea, take a place. We want to close the case. You could do what the funk you want. I'm not playing out to it. I don't never, I don't know the guy from a fucking hole in the wall. Um. And I went to trial. I went the whole route and never even got to trial. He got slaughter. He was caught in fifty thousand lives. He said he killed Roy the Mayo the FEDS ran right down. Oh who did that? He couldn't give even the slightest detail, so

and that was fake. Then he admitted he was lying. Then he admitted he was lying about this, and then he was admitted he was like it was a fake and he says he can he says not a guy. He says he killed two hundred people. He tried to make himself bigger than he was two d people, that that would make him the biggest mass murder in the country or of all time, probably in the world, wouldn't. That's why he said two people, because he wanted the

biggest title. It's a fucking asshole, a bad motherfucker people them, yeah people. Yeah, and he died. I'd be honest with try like to dig him up, bro phone times sake, and shoot his fucking sculpting right in the head. Yeah. Sammy wished your Instagram. On that note, Bill, we wish your Instagram Sammy Official, Sammy the boat You guys, make sure you and the fellow officials at me the bulls Sammy. Man, it's been great as always. Man. Appreciate you, brother, I

appreciate you. I love you, bro. I appreciate it anytime. You need me, you know where they got me. Give me a holler. Gang I'm mean man for sure, and we will be doing it again man, and we out of here all right. Bye bye, take care and all you people his fans. I love all of you guys. Took well. That concludes another episode of the Gainster Chronicles podcast. Be sure to download the I Heart Appen subscribe to the Gangster Chronicles podcast For Apple users, find that Purple

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