Angel Reese vs the American Mindset

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it is. We back at against chronicles. Man, you know what they do with the homie big still yeah, Man, it's a lot of stuff going down right now. Man about now. I think this is the most attention that the Women's Final four has ever had. In particular, man, because of the Home Girl man Ain'tel Reese. They talked about this girl man ninety ways. South Man said that she was low class. The one cat called or an idiot,

which I didn't really appreciate. And I just noticed with them, it's always like a difference because when the girl, when the Caitlin Clark girl was doing it, when she was out there talking people, Oh she was a monster, she was fantastic. It was this lest she got all kinds of praise heaped on her. But when his sister went out there and did the same exact thing, they talked about her like a dog. So I guess it's Steelil's man.

A lot of division in this country, you know. I think people just had a problem with because she was standing right next to the girl, and you know, the girl was like in a like I guess they was at the free throw line or something. I watched it, and you know, Angel was like, you know, you know, so, I mean in football, it's talking, right, I mean we were cool with it. I mean it's sports, right, Yeah, we do sports. We know kids from shit, you can even go back to the youth level. You know what

I'm saying. Kids arrivals, nothing wrong with rivals, but you know, some people getting their feelings about certain shit that that that that is done by I guess us as a black people, it's frowned upon, you know. Um, But I guess if it was another sister that was standing there, would it have been a big deal. If it was another sister standing there, probably not. I guess that's they try trying to make it a big deal because of the race issue, which they shouldn't. But you know, that's

just how people do shit. Man. We've always been separated and divided, and it's always been looked upon as if we perform or we do some shit. You know, it's just face it. You know, we are gifted and talented when it comes to sports and shit like that. Yeah, and we'd like to talk shit, and we liked the floss, you know, so when the other side wants to steal our shine, you know, I mean, because like I said, I've seen her do it. I guess they was playing

I guess South Carolina or somebody like that. Yeah, and I guess I don't know, she put them out or whatever. And you've seen her walking back to her bitch and she was doing it, you know, was she following the South Carolina, the girls around, you know, like hey, hey, hey, well you know she did some stuff though, because when the girl was at the three point line, her opponent right, she like waved her off and didn't even guard and

was like, I there, you to take a shot. So she was definitely out there talking to her ship being shit um. And I'm not mad at her at that, feeling like, motherfucker, I know you ain't gonna make the shot, so go ahead and take it. Yeah, And I don't got no problem with that. Man. I actually don't have a problem with Caitlin Clark. I think she's a hell of a basketball plass, she's a hell of a hooper.

But at the same time, what I have a problem with is the double standard in America that still exists in America, to where when one person does it, oh she's awesome, she's this, she's that, she get a ton of praise heaped on her, but when his sister does it, oh she's an idiot, she low class. They may as well came out and called her a black bitch dog.

That's that I mean. But that's the hidden hatred of people and they, you know, and the idiot shit that they think of but like I said, that ship has been going on for how long still, man, ever since I was born. I'm a my fifties dog, and it's it's so crazy that people be so surprised about shit, you know when it happens, I guess because the reality is people don't want to believe that the shit is

still present. But then wake the fuck up, you feel me, It don't matter who the fuck you vote in, who the fuck you vote out, who the fuck you make this or make that, or what rule you change or try to change or alternate or whatever, it's still gonna

be the stubble fucking standard you give me. It's still gonna be the double standard what I taught a motherfucker shit if I'm not feeling, but yeah, when you feel your Yeah, we ain't never won a national championship men or women's in basketball, and shit, everybody had already voted us out. Like, men, we ain't gonna beat this IOWA team. You get me and they come in and spank a motherfucker a hundred and something to eighty something. Man, please, I'd have been all up in the coach's face party,

like yeah, nigga ring ring. People gotta stop you know, and then another thing. It's horrible for adults, even for the white motherfuckers, for the white people, it's horrible that she would sit up and call a college student an idiot. Yeah, or class lists or whatever. Whatever. Oh, let me let me tell you. Let me tell you it was because I got all these names for now my nigga from

the president of vice president of bar Studs. Yeah, jose Hey sus or Tis dude called Reese's actions class lists, and Keith Overman called the girl an idiot, and you know, and that couldn't have been my daughter, dog, it couldn't have been my dough And what's to do? Like, I said, what's the dude the bar Studs, the CEO barstud what's his name? Was a fucking He said she was a fucking something like. And then I've seen the million Dollar Game. Dudes come on and they like, I guess because you know,

they in partnership with them. Yeah, and that had to be you know, Gillian Waller shut up day. You know, they came on. It was like, we don't condone, you know what homeboy sends and he don't own our show and whatever whatever. But I feel a certain kind of way to see that. Somebody that I was in a partnership with expressed that, man, this is a young lady that lets you know what they stand. See. Hey, I'm gonna tell you what times like this because this is

way bigger than that basketball game. Right. What this does is it gives us a reminder. Every once in a while when we get too comfortable and start thinking shit is all good and it sweet, we get little reminders. Right. This is one of those reminders because you see where a person stands when stuff like this happens. Because like all the white folks, I know, when the white girl was doing this stuff, Oh she's awesome. Have you seen her?

The other one? Oh she has no class. And even now, man with the when if you've ever known the White House to invite the runner up, well, I've never seen it. It's always to win. You gotta figure that's that's that's personal shit. You get me. Somebody in the White House feels that these women from Iowa should should join in on the celebration with LSU. You know what I'm saying, which is kind of phony. Yeah, that's that old second place trophy shit though dogs second place trophy shit fucket

you lost, but still we're gonna invite you. You get to see the president, so it still makes it significant for them. But check this out. You know what I really shot off to Angel Reese. Man, this girl is taking her moment, man, and she really becoming a voice. Listen to what she said, man about that. Louisiana State University's Angel Reefs had two words for Jille Brighton After the first. Lady suggested both the winners and the runner up of the NCUBA A Women's basketball Championship visit the

White House a joke. Biden attended the game Sunday at the American Airline Center in Dallas, where Reese and her team defeated the Hall guys one on two to eighty five. Biden congratulated both teams Monday, doing remarks to Colorado State lawmakers in Denver. Biden said the matchup was a great game and a product of the Fight for Title nine, which per hips discrimination on the basis of sex and colleges ushering generations of female athlete since nineteen seventy two.

Since she spoke about inviting the two teams to the White House, I know we will have the champions come to the White House. We always do. So we hope LSU would come, but you know, I'm gonna tell Joe, I think Iowas should come too, because they played such a good game. What kind of shit is that they got? Whooped? They got me? You know, you based a good game, Like there's some foolshit that's that's a spike at LSU to me, And I'm gonna just keep this in my

own opinion. She was like, fuck this shit, I'm gonna show them. I'm gonna invite both of them, you get me, because everybody knew what the controversy was behind that ship that was going on with the little hand thing, So to me, it was like a spike thing, like, oh yeah, I'm just to suggest that both of them come, you get me. Yeah, Well, Angel Reese, you know why I like her because I ain't going most of the time. I turned around and side ain't going that both of

us got sons. You got a son that's about to go through that whole college experienced dog. They get told constantly to be quiet about ship. You you're not supposed to have an opinion about it. So I'm glad that shout out the Angel Reese and she got some people backing her up like Stephen A. Smith. He said, Hey, Reese, I mean absolutely zero disrespect to the first lady, but you are a thousand percent correct. That is a bad suggestion. Runner ups don't get invited to the White House. Why

are we trying to change it now? And runner up? Fuck that? The losers, Yeah, the losers at down the runner up. It's over lost. You lost. I've never known now, I've been you know. I mean you both coach Pop wanting football, right, I've been on the side to where I was in the winter seat and in the loser's seat at the end of the game when they're giving you your trophy, right, you get that second place trophy? You want to throw that motherfucker in the trash. I mean,

it's it is what it is. We lost, Yeah, you lost. Let's get ready for next season. Yeah, you get ready for next season. I've never I got a whole garage full of second place trophies. Daughter, we won. You know what my son Christopher used to do when he get there. He would grab them and break him on the ground, Like I don't want that, Like we lost. Shit, Karan did shit. Karan would never you know, it wasn't even about that shit we lose in the season, Karan be like, shit, niggas,

we're getting ready for next season. Yeah, they're ready for next season. You know, we gotta stop and when we got and that's the problem now in this country, man, I think they feel like they should pacify the loser, so you know, and then at the kid level, it's like you know, with or a lot of organizations. Um what I was told, it's like it's the bread bottom, you know. I guess the Vice President's wife, I mean

President Biden's wife decided to invite. She said, Oh, I'm going to tell Joe, I think both teams need to go, which is some bullshit, that's I I think it's not to say it like that. You know, they have the power to do whatever. You know, she's the first Lady whatever. She's probably looking at it like, you know, it's a good suggestion to have both teams, you know, whatever. That they invite both teams last year, They've never done that before,

the second place teams a year before that. To me, I think it's a job because you know, the first Lady was at the game. She got to witness the tension between you know, LSU and Iowa, and let's face it, everybody wanted Iowa to win. Probably LSU was the underdog. Even though these sisters was bawling and they was putting in work, they probably was already set up. You know what I'm saying. Iowa the Clark's girl. You know it was it was finna be the story, you know, riding

off into the sunset. Oh my god, Iowa Caitlin Clark and oh man, she whoop the womp. So it was it was. It was already set up, shouting around, you know how motherfucker you be at the super Bowl or something. Both teams had a champagne and the ship set up in the locker room, right. They both had a T shirts ready, the hats ready. And then you get to a point where you're gonna shit, we lose it, so they clear all that shit out. It was already set up, probably that they was ready for Iowa to take that

game unless you stepped up. And then as a spike call, because the young ladies was feeling, you know, the emotions of y'all didn't give us a chance. Angel Reese was feeling like y'all been calling the hood ever since I showed up. We didn't fit in. I'm not the basketball type, you know what I'm saying. She went out and proved herself against the team, and now she wants to She wanted to get a payback fall of sipion ship, fall of sisters who felt like, you know, everything's about the

Clark's sister, the Clark girl, the Clark girl. Everything's about the Clark girl. Y'all not even giving us a chance. So for them to go out there and whip that ass. I want my just do and I'm gonna do. You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna do with everything, just like our kids do when they play football. When Chris played youth ball, Karan play ball. It be games to wed nigga. We're getting in the game and we're gonna talk, niggas. Do we get flags for it?

Do we get penalty? Still? You do? Yeah, you get penalties for it, but sometimes you don't. But check this out. This is what the girl had to say about. This is what Reeks had to say all year. I was critiqued for who I was. I don't fit the narrative. I don't fit the box that y'all want me to be in. I'm too hood, I'm too get on. Y'all told me that all year, but when other people do it and y'all don't say nothing. So this is for the girls that look like me, for those that want

to speak up for what they believe in. It's unapologetically you. And that's what I did it for a last night. It was bigger than me tonight and Twitter is going to go in the rage every time. And I'm happy. I feel like I've help grow women's basketball this year. I'm looking forward to celebrating then next season. We all don't fit the the we all don't fit the stereotype of what we're supposed to be. You're getting me, Um, you playing for lsu Iowa? Are you playing for Georgetown?

Do you see it? Whoever you're supposed to fit a certain criteria is what they feel right looking at how much drama my girl got the truck girl? Oh yeah, you get me. You see when we look different and we come from our element, it's who I am, even with the Well, I'm gonna tell you this and I'm not gonna put it out there right because obviously you know it's it's a business, right, But um, they tell these kids man, black kids. Um, you know, and this is advice to all you young men out there that

maybe playing college football or basketball. Those white recruiters that come and sit on your couch, they don't understand you. Most of the time, they don't understand you. They're there to win games, they don't they and a lot of places they may not even like you. I'm gonna tell you, man, I've heard stuff, you know. I've heard white coaches called kids thugs till NFL scouts, he's a thug. So if you got tattoos on earrings, whatever, they go say you a thug, they call you a game banger. They all

any stereotype you can imagine. They have to perpet you waiting, but it ain't a problem as long as you're bawling for them. While you bawling for him. Oh he's a great kid, this and that. But behind your back when the NFL comes, you know, he's a thug. He's not a team player. He taunts people. He's this, he's that. You don't fit that poster of what they want your

the image of their school, their college, their team. To me, even though you're bawling like a motherfucker, you get me, And like I said, like you said, I won't mention no names, but I kind of sort of similar saw that. You know what I'm saying in my in a situation where kid bawling like a motherfucker, undeniable. But this kid don't fit what they like, especially in that quarterback position

they want them. The kid did not fit what. The kid got tattoos and you know, he's celebrating after after touchdowns and you know, and it was cool when when they didn't when they didn't have another quarterback. You get me. The kid was out there bawling and winning games and beating motherfuckers that they ain't beating a hundred years. You get me. But then soon as somebody else comes along that fits that criteria, the poster boy of what we want our ship to be, then it's like, oh what'

soun We really don't need you. Oh they want you to play another position exactly. They try to switch you up, They try to change you. So it's a lot of that that goes on. Look at the kid that's coming out of Alabama now, shout out to brace young right. You know, my son played against him all in high school. He has always been an elite competitor man, Right, he knows how to win games. He's gonna believe it all

in the line. We beat him, he's beat us. You know, my son went to Saint John Boska, Right, you see all the criticism they got about him. Now, now this man that went out there and one, this young man is one out the one countless games and it's proved that he can stand the punishment with the elite level of competition. Right, he's up there. You know, he's proving himself already he can go play with anybody in the world. But now he's too short. He's not he's not fitting

with our stereotype of a quarterback should be. And give a fuck that this that he balling like a motherfucker and he winning games and he you get me Heisman Trophy, all that type of ship. But that doesn't matter to the motherfucker who's ninety years old, who's sitting up in his motherfucking office with that tight ass suit on, and motherfucker going, well, we should have a quarterback that's six

foot six and can stand in the pocket. And you know he's an All American apple pie hot dog eating motherfucker. That's who they fucking figure who should be? And times are changing? Yeah, because you got to adapt to the times and ship you know. But let's let's look at the facts. Right. The kid never got not one bit of trouble, No, not one bit of trouble, been flawless all from high school. Now, cool kid, man, I know Bryson Young and his family. Cool kid, right, kid? Right?

Who kid? Really humble? Right, He's never been no trouble dog. He wins games, which is most important. He wins James. He's the ultimate competitor. How many times if you've seen him tuck that and put his shoulders down and go get the first down. He's the ultimate competitor. He has

a high football IQ. So any bit of criticism that they have for him, it's almost like they couldn't wait to start unloading on this kid because he doesn't fit the narrative that he's not six foot six, blue wide with blind here flowing over his shoulders, and that's what they want. When Trevor Lawrence came out, I'm pretty sure them people up in the football the games was up there ejaculating. It was probably masturbating. There was probably masturbating.

We have a golden boy back, you know. And it's not a Patrick Beholds and it's not a fucking Jalen Hurt or the bar Jackson, Yeah for sure. Or it's not a nigger quarterback. Do you feel because we always too short, we don't never have enough pocket presence? Oh our question? Its arms train? Or what about his intelligence? Can he read the defenses in the next the next level? Man? All this shiit is some bullshit dog And when you

see it and it's already he bedn't proven. It's just an obstacle that they want to set ahead because they want to devalue you. Yeah, and when you go to devalue you, so I pull you down. So I really ain't got to pay you what you should be getting exactly. Check this out when you go to the NFL, combine, dude. And don't get me wrong, I don't have nothing against the NFL. The NFL is a great league and changes

countless keys lives every year. There's a lot of people that don't pull their family, they don't broke generational curses because of the NFL and NBA. So it's a blessing to be able to make it. But you do have to kind of look at it when you go to the NFL combine, dude, it is all serious business. Dude, it's no joke down. There's cold. First of all, as soon as you get off the plane, you're going to work. People poking and proude next you, pulling you, asking you questions.

So just imagine going on the interview, dog. You know, the normal job interview. You may go sit down with somebody for thirty forty five minutes, maybe an hour, depending on the fewer. You know, you're going for a corporate position, and maybe you go have you know, maybe two more for interviews that day as you move on. But it's like the ultimate job interview. So just imagine you being

a twenty one, twenty two year old kid. Right, You're going in there, man, people asking you all kind of questions. And it used to be real bad. They asked one motherfucker if his mama was a prostitute before. Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna poking for like you said, they're gonna dig and dig because they just they want to find something that's gonna, you know, that's gonna devalue you because if they can get you at a cheaper price. Hell fucking yeah, that's what it's about. Yeah, for sure, all

the time when devalue you shit. So we've still got a lot of disappearing though. We still got a lot of racism going on in America. Man. But I'm gonna jump over to some other stuff. Just a gamester the chronicles,

but gamesters watch football, gamesters watched basketball. It ain't gonna be all about murderers murderous and the feelings and shit every weekend when people feel like you know, when when you saying gangster chronicles like and then you know, um, we're just trying to show people that situations from waking like I grew up in Conklin, hood gang bang did

all that shit. But you know, you have to be able to show that you can advance from that and be intelligent and speak on other shit besides who got killed last night exactly dope? And who raided and what hood rat is cheating on? What other nigga and whatever and so and so. So we try to we try to show people that, you know, we go diversify a little bit, man, because you know, we can't talk about the same shit all the time, you know what I mean. Johnny got shot yesterday and then next week. Oh so

and so got busted. And then you know, people get tired of, you know, of dealing with with with with bullshit. He everybody know the poverty situations and neighborhood situations, and we still deal with that. Some are some of our guests are still tired and to the neighborhoods and still have to deal with the repercussions of that. But then, like you said, we got to show motherfucker's that Niggason

can also advance beyond that. You know, I'm gonna go to this thing with gunner Man, you know, gonna just you know, I guess that everybody's saying he snicks he told right, you know, he told whatever about that. But this kid, bad man Kiva. I guess he gave Gunna two hundred fifty thousand dollars for a feature, right, yeah, I've been seeing that. You know, he gave him two fifty four a feature. And I guess that the dude don't want to there and you know, spill the beans,

don't rather than all that shit. Dude is like, the feature ain't worth nothing now, you know what I'm saying. It's like, why would I want that feature? Now? So I need my bread back. Now he's asking for five million dollars. He don't want two fifty years from five million. I guess for his time he don't wasted and everything else, which y'all think is a little bit absurd. He should get his money back though, Um, but I don't know. If I was gun, I probably wouldn't give hm shit back. Um,

you paid before a verse. I gave you the verse, but you don't want to use it. So how is that you know? Now? I could see if you gave him the money he never did the verse, he went got locked up, situation went down. Now you feel like, oh no, I don't want that verse no more. Then I could see you going for your money back. Yeah,

before me, and that was kind of ridiculous. If a nigga paid and then a nigga turned you the verse in and before you released it, you went through this, I don't see how you can get your money back because you just record labels do it all the time. I'm gonna go give a nigga some money for a project, and then he turned the project in and we go, no, we're gonna shelf this motherfucker. They don't turn around and go to the nigga and go, okay, give us our money.

But they write that shit off. Yeah, you can't do that, and you can't put that album out even though they ain't using it. It's not like they give it to you and say, well, you're free to do it yourself. Oh, that's ours, we paid you for it. We don't like the motherfucker. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna shelf the motherfucker. We're just gonna put it on the shelf and it's gonna stay there and you fuck around

and get hot. One day they might run and slip that motherfuck up sid sell it to a motherfucker, license it to somebody. But you know that's what you you know, that's that's the business man. Yeah, I gotta get mom. I gotta start getting back more than out because I've never heard of bad Man Kiva. It's a lot of these you know, I ain't never said a lot of these new artists school. You know, it's a lot of these new artists. You know, Well, this is what he

see it. He said, I paid gonna last hit for a feature, and months later he gotta kind of kind of case which put my feature and everything else on hold just for him to get released a snicks. I can't do a song with dude. I need my bread back a SAP And if they kept, I'm going a big lawsuit, he said, I'm going big lawsuit. He said, he's suing him, and you know what my thing is, Like,

like I just said, again, he paid. So apparently he never got the verse because like he said, he paid, and then he got caught up in the case and got incarcerated. So then once he got out, he's known as a snitch. So now he's like, I don't want the verse anymore because it's not gonna benefit me, and because of the fact that I invested in this verse, because you know, this is the results of what I

thought was gonna happen from this particular song. I need five million now, because you know, that's just like a prediction of what I thought the sales was gonna be or what I thought the song was gonna do. So now that you have a bad name as a snitch, basically nobody's gonna buy this record or listen to it or play it. So I'm thinking for from from the progress of the sales and from whatever it could have been generated from the song I'm looking at five million. Yeah,

you know what, man, um, that's what I think. If I was gonna out till dude to go fuck yourself seriously, because you can't come back and ask no motherfucker for bread after the fact, just like you said, butter things on how you feel about it. Yet you could be like, dude, I give you the verse, but I ain't given the money back you paid for the verse. Show he'd go the verse. If the dude turned around and go, I don't want the verse. I mean it's it's a tricky situation.

I mean, you would have to go to law, you would have to get you would have to see a nigga, you would have to because other than that, then it's gonna go down the street shit. And who wants to get caught up in some street shit over a verse? Yeah that's real. Well I'll tell you who was willing to get caught up in some street shit. The homie Dads he just sat on he was on the Homeboys, showed Chuck disl Homegrown Radio shout out to them Digital soapbox family, and he said he strong arms should and

to give them two and a half million dollars. He said he was high on mushrooms and up on that motherfucker with a screwdriver walked up and always with a screwdriver. Had everybody offers him up and should cut him a check for two and a half million dollars. So what gets Dad said, I'm gonna get mine. I mean something. I mean you though, depending on what life you come from. I mean shit, everybody's had that, uh that that situation to where they failed. They had to you know, over

had to run up in the label. M I've never had to run up in the label, but I've had my confrontations with labels to where I've had to go take my master's back and put them on lockdown until they gave me my bread. Yeah, or is that right? So he was on some strong arms ship. He was like, I'm playing horridball with your motherfucker's ship. Motherfucker old me some money. I turned the record in. They said the budget was gone because somebody had took the money. Shaw.

I ran up to Bernie Grugman's and before they could take the record, I walked back in there and I snatched the masters. Let me ask you this, that that person that got the money ever call you about it. No, but I dealt with the label directly and they ended up cutting me a check for the masters. They was pretty mad about that shit with I'm pretty sure, but you know it's it's what happened, sneaky shit, you know what.

That's the worst feeling in the world. We had a similar situation have with Glasses right to where we're shooting a video on the Lanta, were shooting Haters video right and you know you got a budget there. You know how much money you got. You know what I'm saying. You think you got a budget, got it? But you go there and they tell you what, No, this was cut to this person, and this was cut to that person. The money ain't there no more? You like, what the hell? Yeah?

That was those days where um with niggas would hook you up or whatever, and they just felt like they

were entitled to whatever your budget was. So if a nigga hooked you up with a label or a deal and and they tell you it's it's worth two hundred and fifty thousand, niggas will start calling up to the label and being like, yeah, send me fifty, send me thirty, send me forty, And then you go up there and be thinking you're gonna get money to finish your record, to finish your project, and motherfuckers start telling you all, no, you know, we gave twenty thousand the so and so,

we gave thirty thousand the sow and so and and then it just be out of the blue like, okay, but who authorized that? Yeah, it's my fucking deal, right, And they look at it like, well, so and so walked you in the door. So and so is the one that got you the deal. So when they called and they said they needed forty thousand, not your budget, we just cut them a check. So that was the that was. That was the relationships that some dudes had with well you know yeah, because they were um, I

guess they were the sub label. Yeah, yeah, they were the sub label. So a lot of people, especially back during the nineties, they were giving cats these pretty much these production company deals to where they got a production deal. Yeah, yeah, you can, we give your three four album production deal. You can bring in two three different artists and would

give you a budget for every artist. But then when that money hit the table, niggas be like, oh, so and so got one hundred and twenty five, and it could have been it could have been good situations they had people done because I knew a whole bunch of cats to have those type of deals that really could have made a lot of money had they just really done it right. By the projects. A lot of niggas was from the hoods and from the streets, and like

I said, a lot of niggas weren't business savvy. Like like some dudes who you see who were successful with their labels, some dudes looked at it as a money grab. You give me if I can go out here and I can't give me a production deal for three albums for three different groups at three albums apiece, that's about a million and some dollars sitting on the table. It goes from, if we do this shit right, everybody could

be too successful. The label could be here. But it started going to I don't know what I take it as. Sometimes I take it as jealousy or whatever. You know what I'm saying. And I used to tell niggas all the time, niggas who signed you really don't want you to succeed. You get me, especially if you're going through the subdivision label shit. A lot of niggas aren't gonna let you reach that status as them you get me.

So that's when you start noticing, shit, my budget ain't as much as this, or I'm not getting this, or I'm not getting there because some niggas forget like this is about the label you give me. We're trying to make the label successful. We want to be a sony or a deaf jail m or whatever. But some niggas can't do that. Man. People they see that fucking money hit the table and they go, you know, you should

give ex supposed to get this? Why I'm supposed to get this and Z supposed to get that, And niggas start going, I'm gonna take from them, I'm gonna take from them. And this is situation man, pretty much similar to what you know, what the podcast people are doing and stuff like that. Right, and this is what people don't understand. I have no I have no problem with saying that you are a way bigger celebrity than me. Right, you have more popularity than me. What sense would it

make for you to find out later on? Because you're gonna find out that. Oh man, still wind it picked up four hundred thousand dollars and only gave me. You know, wimpthy wham, you're gonna be fished off. You canna feel some kind of way more than likely our partnership go in definitely. So my thing is this, No, I'll do the right thing. We get this, hey here, you'll have my nigga. This is who we got boom definitely, and you play fair by stuff, you know what I mean.

So with the hope so we can continue making more money instead of hitting the liqu right now. Niggas don't look at it like that, which is unfortunate. Some dudes will tell you that shit and like I said, at the end of the day, it all covers down and when that check hits the table and you'll be ya. You'll be talking and talking and be like, oh man, they Finnat give us half a million and I'm gonna

get two fifty. You're gonna get two fifty and wooty woomb And then next thing you know, that check hit the table and niggas start going and you ain't got fifty thousand, ain't seen from motherfucker would be like, shoot, you know, well, I could really take this and do this and then tip this and blop blop blop and I can give him that and wooty womb, which ain't the smart play man, because like I said, it shouldn't be the smart play, because the smart play should be

if everything stays on the up and up, you'll see how successful and far this shit goes. A lot of shit falls apart when somebody start going I think I should get more than the next, and people start looking at it with a lick mentality instead of a business mentality. That's why it's like, you know what, we got this in Hey, hey, we got this money in here. Who yours? They're gonna mine? And you know that's that's the way it should be. Because what happens when this happened, because

it's going to happen. What happens when you on a business call and we gotta go talk to the people together or something like that, and they're telling you all this stuff. You're looking like that's news to me. Yeah, I didn't know that. We don't made We don't made a couple million dollars and we He's seen them, though. You go through situations like that. I've had that happened to me a few times. You get me dealing with

a fucked up lawyer or crooked whatever. And then you get on the phone with the label and next thing you know, they get to telling you or we sent out a check for fifteen, and we sent out a check for three. You know, we sent out a check for seven, and they're looking at you like you're the one spending all this money. And I'm looking at a motherfucker like, well when did that check come in? Because

I didn't get it. And then and then it's really worse when they send you a breakdown and sending you a motherfucking facts and and then there's all the copies of the checks that he asked you something. I know you gonna be politically correct, as you don't like putting people on blast. Who was the most shysty what's the most shisty? Um? I can't even call them record labels? But executive you worked upon? The ghetto execut Who who was the most shicey ghetto execut you ever worked for?

I had to be honest, The most shisty person I've ever dealt with as far as in business was my attorney. Your attorney what was his name was? John Smith? That was the dude that got you caught up in the ship that wound up turning all the UM wound up telling the dude there was a drug deal or whatever that was. That was the situation that happened with UM, with the Chicago shit and uh me happen to go in front of a grand jury and say that I got paid for doing a movie. That's some crazy ass

shit he got. So he got because you know the thing is if you never they never, Like I said, they never asked me any questions about, um, what dude did or whatever whatever. They just asked me that I get paid to do a movie. And I asked, what a lot the text people would have been coming for your ass and everything else. My lawyer, he was, you know, he was in He was in the h He was in the ship with them, which I found out later on.

But he really had a lot of personal dealings with them, so UM, if anything he told because he knew a lot of their inner workings. I didn't know shit. I met them because I did ad Minutes to Society and they wanted to do a movie in shy Town and just at the time, Minutes was the ship. It was the popular movie. So of course they gonna go after you know who, they feel fits the criteria. I was

known for coming to Chicago a lot. I had a lot of people that I dealt with in Chicago as far as street niggas and just you know, concerts and shows and just being there. So it's crazy. So he so he was worse than No. Known. Yeah, damn, that's seeing the luckers. Unknown was doing some shit. Known was aknown what it's like. I say this, when you come into this business, I don't give fuck who you are. You're gonna get fucked. I don't care. You're gonna get fucked.

There's gonna be somebody who walked you through the door who's basically gonna have their hand in your pocket as they walking you through the door. Okay, So that was Unknown. He was a typical you know, I'm a young I'm a young nigga. I'm seventeen years old, game banging and ship writing raps about the hood. And Unknown saw it as there's there's my shot, you get me. So he didn't. He didn't do anything though he walked us in the door. I mean, my nigga slipped did all the beats. I

wrote all the raps. Anne walked us in the door, and I wasn't. I was unintelligent when it came to business. You was a kid, I was a hood nigga. I didn't know nothing about nigga. I knew crack pieces and and and guns and fighting at school and shit like that. I didn't know nothing about no business world and publishing and you get me. So Unknome took advantage of that. He was able to go in and get budgets and pay us what he felt we deserved as young knucklehead

niggas running around the neighborhood. So that's what happened from there. John was a motherfucker who knew the struggles I had came through with dealing with a motherfucker like that, and he still decided to steal money. Fuck it. So you found out he was actually taking money too. I had to go to court for some shit, and then they broke out all the checks that he was cashing and

I had no idea about. So he had an attorney client privilege account, so he could take checks that were from me, depositim into his attorney client up account and they would cash him and he would keep the money. So when I went to court on some shit and I'm like, oh, I don't. I don't got that much money.

I didn't make that woompy woop. They said, bullshit, because here's a copy of all the checks you received this year, and I'm looking like, nigga, it was shit like totaling a hundred grand, I'm like, I ain't seeing that shitning. I'm over here struggling as a young artist, and you up here in this office just taking advantage of young street niggas because that's what the game was. Niggas didn't look out for each other. Niggas felt like, fucking if I could fuck you, I'm gonna fuck you. And that's

so so. This motherfucker how much money would you say he stole? It probably stole over one hundred and fifty two hundred grand. That's a lot of money. Yeah, what year we're talking about that? This was the nineties. Was in the nineties, like the bid nineties when you know, when when you know, if you wasn't a motherfucking doctor Dre or jay Z or whatever, you was a struggling artist because we weren't making money like niggas are today. You see niggas a streaming and doing all kinds of

shit that wasn't happening back then. So if you was getting little publishing checks every two to three months, you depended on that shit. But niggas felt like, fuck that ship, nigga don't deserve what's that check for seventeen hundred, I'm keeping that? What's that a check for twenty five hundred,

I'm keeping that? You get me why you all trying to figure out why you ain't making no So he got you paining him so on top because I'm pretty sure the on top of that, every time I got a check that I knew about, he would take a percentage of Yeah, he'd take a percentage of being your lawyer, because that's our most lawyer's work is that's a our

attorney for the show work. You know, he's a part of all our des about it is at the motherfucking when the nigga gut busted still in the checks and I found out the checks the next day, the nigga sent me a bill saying, this is why he took the money because I owed him for all his lawyer work after he was taking money out of his stuff, so he make money from the gate and after the courts found the money and showed me he was taking

the money. He ran home the next day and he conjured up a bill for all in checks and sent it to me and said, oh, this is why the money was taking. So he had a hundred thousand dollars. Was the day that I stopped working with him and never talked to him again. So he didn't get locked up about that ship in Chicago. No, I don't know what happened to him, but the ship to Chicago. Because we separated after that, we had to is this dude

stealing business? No. I've been talked to John and probably over twenty years, his son who used to fuck with you know, he used to be my road manager. I just started communicating with him on a low basis through Chill because he was fucked with Chill a little bit. Chill hollers at him, so we started, uh, you know, we be coming. Even Katie hit me up, Hey, eight, what's up? What's up? I know, animosity, man, it's it's what happens man. Well yeah, and plus that was on

his pumps. That wasn't it's what happens man. Like I said, if you ain't got fucked in this rap game, then something ain't right. Yeah, it's a lot of motherfucker's dog that died broke. Man. You know, I heard that, Um, what's my guys slash slash stone, I heard he's homeless. Man, all them big ass records they had, Man, this record

still generated a lot of money. Man. The problem is that, you know, ownership of shit was very scarce, you know, especially some niggas were able to be successful at it. You know, master p you know, cash money, you know, uh, you know, but it was very hard for an artist to retain his masters and shit and get a proper deal from labels and shit. So even with the successful of a lot of records, motherfuckers wasn't getting to just do He was getting pennies on the dollar, you get me.

I mean, if you know about this shit you come from publishing, from writing music, whatever. Niggas is getting pennies on the fucking dollar. Man. It's different today to where you know, you could throw out a song and you could collect a ninety percent from it. You could throw out a record and it could stream a billion copies, you get me, It could stream a billion times and you reaping the rewards from that nowadays to some level. Back in my days, we didn't have that, so all

we relied on was pure record sales. And if a motherfucker felt like you didn't deserve you, don't. I ain't gonna put a million dollar budget into you. I'm not gonna give you no million dollars videos. And seeing you here and have you all you was a typical rite off for a label. Get this nigga two hundred and fifty grand, he gonna go out and sell about a hundred thousand records, maybe a one hundred and twenty five.

We're gonna write that shit off, and if we want to do it again, we maybe give another nigga another shot, and if not, we tell a nigga here. And when you think about it, back then, one hundred and twenty five thousand albums, you was generating some pretty good money for the label. Yeah, you was generated almost close to a million dollars. Yes, So that's why they funk around and be like, fucking we're giving nigga another shot. Fuck it, it ain't much. You know, we gave a nigga, what

a hundred and twenty five grand we spent? What about we gave him two videos, spent about fifty a thousand a piece on the videos gave him some posters sent him on the promo tour. So at the end of the day, what we spent about half a million, Okay, this nigga gonna sell about two hundred thousand. He gonna generate almost over a million and a half back, so we'd have made our five hundred back. And they keep that up. They was they sharing the publishing? What you did?

You have a publishing deal with them? I didn't get enough. I didn't have a publishing deal until I made my own publishing deal sew up. Until all that time, I know, one was just still in my publishing because, like I said, I'm a younger hood nigga. I don't know about that shit. The what is publishing? You give me, nigga? I wrote the rapp and the record is out, nigga, give me my check. That's what That's what that motherfucker was. What was the turns? Named? John should have been on his

ass to get that money, but he should have. But what happened was, um, I just wanted to be separated from the nigga. I wanted to be no longer tied to unknown in Big B and I wanted to start dealing with the label directly. So basically that's what they did because I said I wasn't gonna record. Fuck it, I'm not gonna record anymore. Sony Who you know, Epic Who was like, we liked the gangster rap shit. You know it's making money. So do we want to lose MC eight. He just came off a third album, Music

to Drive Bys doing hell of a good. He just came off a successful movie. You know, he's got the number one sound so single you know in the country. So do we wanna let him walk? No kick ann now, and let's deal with him directly. So they split them. They cut the budget in half. He was collecting about two fifty two sixty when I was going through him when they kicked him out, they cut my budget in half.

That's crazy, so they So you're thinking, so you really wanted up losing money camera I did because they figured that I only needed about one hundred and sixty hundred and seventy five thousand when they was kicking up to fifty to sixty. But when I took over the deal, they cut the budget in half. Now do you think that if you would have king, because you could have been a free agent at that time, right, you could

have went somewhere else, right, right? Did you think about telling them to go fuck themselves and go somewhere I already knew that, Like I said, I had what maybe when when I split with Unknown Um, I knew I had two albums left with Sony, I was ready to leave. I didn't. I didn't want to be there because they didn't know how to deal with rap. Epic had never been successful with with with hip hop, never U. They were a pop label, Pearl Jam, Michael Jackson, char Day.

They didn't know shit about rap. UM. So I was ready to leave. Um minutes was successful. I started getting little deals, you know, to produce here and near me and slipped so I would meet niggas. So I met my nigga, Craig Colman, and he offered me one of those production deals, and so I said, well, you would have been able to go on a sign. That's that's what a little birden hawk. And all the time I had a three album out of three basically artist production deal,

and each artist got three albums. So I had nine albums on the table going through Big Beat Atlantic and on my last record, Ron Sweeney, who was running Epic at the Time offered me a new contract, but I didn't want to take it because I knew they was full of shit. Epic didn't know what to do with me, so I turned it down. I went back to Big Beat waiting to get started because I still had one

more album with Epic. So when I turned in the last album, they came back with like a million point two for me to resign, and I said, okay, fuck it, even though the niggas don't know how to do no shit. Yes, a lot of money to have one point two in my pocket. So I went back to Big Beat and was like, since our deal don't start for another year, I won't out the deal because they wouldn't let me out. They wouldn't let me out unless I paid them a half a million. That was Craig Calm, Craig calmra just

the scalless Mophe would not letting me out there. I hadn't tooken a dollar from Atlantic, from none of the albums, for none of the deals, none of that. And I tried to get out the deal and he and they wanted me to kick up a half a million to get out the deal. That's crazy as a motherfucker. I think the homey fiend was dealing nothink, that's who he

was dealing with. Man. So I ended up turning the fucking epic money down to keep the fucking production deal with Atlantic, and come to find out they didn't even want to deal with us no more because that's when they started the band on gangster rap music, so they did not want to distribute anything related to street shit. So I basically got fucked. And so after that, the motherfucker's come back to me and told me, oh, I could go shop for a new deal if I wanted to.

After they made me turn down to one point two and at one point too and on the table and almost gone. It was gone, And so I ended up basically had to go after Craig and got ready to suit him because they wouldn't honor the production deal. Yeah, not to get all in your business, but you gotta resolve with him. I got, we settled for a little change and then I was able to walk. That was it.

So the nine album deal was off the table. It was out the door, and it was like, oh, well you can go wherever you want to, and I'm like huh. So I had to basically fight them too for nail myself with no lawyer, none of that, and I had to call him and basically talk shit until they decided to cut me a check and let me go. That's fucked up, man. So you fucked around him, missed out on him. Were too big a deal. See you better than me, man, I'd have been one of those times.

Well I've probably been. I was a young nigga back then too. I'd have been walking up in that office. I know you thought about it. I know you had to think about that. I was like, you know, at the time, I was just trying to figure out you know, I was just trying to figure out what what what what was going on at this point, Like I said, it was like at the you know, the career at slowed down, you know, trying to figure out what the

fuck was the next move. Didn't want to go back to street shit, you know show at the time, I just start getting into football, fuck it, you know, learning coaching, watching motherfucker's going to games, you know, just doing normal shit. I started trying to get into doing normal shit. And then once I had my son, you know, I was like, fuck the music shit. Really. So you got this in France, as I think that happened all of us. I was bringing for a publishing company. I was an A and

R from mind Or Music and UM. One of the things that they were trying to do, they were really trying to empower their son, which I'm not mad at this day. Kids, you know what I mean. And he was a cool kid. It was actually pretty cool people. Like when I think back on it, when you're young, you kind of think a little different. But they was actually pretty decent people, man, now that I think about

They paid me everything I was. But I think I got disenfranchised with the music business because I real lives as A and R. I had a pin with no ink, right. I ran across too much talent that I wanted to mess with it, and I was always getting told Noah every turn. The one kid they let me sign, we wound up putting out a goal to play actually platinum record. We wound up doing an ice cream painting job record for Droll and that went platinum up. But we had

so many opportunities people we could have signed. Man, they passed on Tde. That's the one biggest regret I got. You know, I brought UM. I was talking to my Boytop at the time, right Top wanted to do a publishing deal to put some money in them kid's pockets. Right, he said, Hey, if we can go up and get X amount of dollars, won't they won't we would do a thing. I go to them, They're looking at me like I'm fifteen carre crazy. Man. They look at me

like you don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, we don't want to do this because they were really big on analytics, right, you know it was big on analytics. Well, they don't have nothing going on, you know this, man, none of that analytic ship, that ship that they algorithms and analytics to be happening. And this was right before I think they was about to release Section eighty. Right, Um, that was Kendrick's first album. Right, They had already had

Jay Jay Rock was over at Warner Brothers. They had Kendrick and you know, TD was still fairly knew at the time. But they was bubbling though, right And I believed in them so much because I was around topping them every day, you punching all of them. I said, Man, these dudes gonna be the hottest dudes, not just the city, probably the country because I saw how they were developing. They really got a grasp on the internet. That was

when the internet first started, just like start popping. And I saw them, I said, you know what, and I knew even back then, I knew the Kate I was gonna be a star. I said, this little dude is dangerous. You know what I mean, He's gonna be one of the greatest. You know what I mean. Jay Rock was hard schoolboyque. They just had a roster full of talent, and I knew, and at that time, for what they had, Top wasn't asking for a whole bunch of money. It

wasn't none of ridiculous. He just wanted one of them deals. Okay, let me get some money for these dudes pockets. Right. Had we done that deal, man, that deal would have wound up paying off twenty fold, Dog twenty fold. You talked about giving them motherfuck a half million dollars. That's gonna be later on, probably worth closer to a billion. Yeah, come on, man, they turned that situation down. I was more mad about that than anything else because I brought them.

I brought Fingers in there, Producer Fingers. He was my homeboy. He was doing a lot of the Chicano rap stuff. You know. He had leaning like a Cholo, which was turned out to be a platinum record, so he did a little rob Summer Night. So he had all these

records that he did. He just made sense that had they listened to me, dog, I would have probably wound up being in that you know that I should always look at that source power thirty ship, I would have probably wound up being one of the most powerful dudes in the music business. But instead they were saying note everything. Yeah, that's how you know when they got them old traditions. Man,

they don't know, you know, how to discover shit. They just like to sit back and watch the old wheel turn and don't want to invest in the new vision. And that's where a lot of niggas get, you know, fall fall, you know behind, because you be having all these ideas and all this shit that you know, I see the vision. A lot of motherfuckers don't see your vision.

And that's what happens a lot with this business. You know, you gotta really get motherfuckers who believe in your talent or whatever it is you're trying to do, because like I said, motherfucker's to take advantage of you, and they either want to fuck you and steal from you or they don't believe in you. So a lot of niggas had to go out to start doing shit on their own to prove to motherfucker's Yeah, I got tired though.

You know, you said you went to the regular life, so you figure, man, I had a job, man, And like I said, they wasn't bad people, don't. They just didn't let me do my job. They let me do my job because one thing I will tell you the lady the wife, because they were divorced. It was funny they were divorced, but they still worked together and did

everything together, right, So the lady was cool. Man. She pretty much gave me her credit card when we opened up the office in LA because when they came to me with the plan they they were they were based in England. They were UK based publishing company, right, so their whole plan was the expand of the United States. So we went and got us fresh. They got us dope office man on Sunset Boulevard, and you know, the

guitar center was down the street. She pretty much gave me a card and said go get what you need for the studio. But what's my budget? You know what I mean? Like, well, you like I'm thinking, you know, five ten thousand dollars we get a little set up, pre production set up. She like, no go spending stuff. They spent seventy five thousand without batting the eye. That was when the pro tools AGD just came out. We had live skinting there. Dog. We had everything right. And

she got it, man, she was with it. She was with the bullshit, you know what I mean? She got it, man. But her husband was just always knowing everything. But he was a smart dude, and I learned a lot from him. You feel what I'm saying because he was one of them dudes. And I asked him one day, Man, do you regret not letting me sign people? He said, well, I didn't have him before and I ain't got him now, so no, yeah, you know what I'm saying before, I

don't have them now, so I don't regret anything. So he wasn't tripping, but he wound up coming up because I believe they wound up. They wound up selling a portion of their catalog. Dog. I think it might have been Sony or somebody like that. So they wound up and they gave him a job to on top of

so he wound up negotiating a good thing. Man. But they was good people though, man, And I think at the time I was pissed off at them because they wouldn't let me do certain things, you know, But looking back on it now all to probably handle things way more different. Yeah, some people just they just don't want to reneag that power you get some people you get to trust you, and then some people just don't want to reneak. So it is what it is when it

comes to the business. Like I said, if you've been in here and you dealt with this music industry or whatever it's being, you get fucked out a lot of shit. It had me depressed, done a lot of opportunities. And how you depressed it, and how you not wanted to do this shit no more. Like I said, I just had to sit back and just watch the transition. You know, music was turned in, it was going in a different direction. So I didn't even want to be caught up in it.

I stayed out the studio and just tried to live normal for a minute. I really went through a depression I went through because you think about it, in a fit of me being over emotional about some shit, I wound up getting fired and they should have fired me because I was being mad disrespectful, you know what I mean. And so I don't lost, you know, a job I was making about a bucks any five every year, you know what I mean, instead of taking the opportunity and

going to go possibly get another jobs. When I was working for them, I had a lot of people because you know, I had this success with the ice cream painting job record, so I had different companies like Bug Music and different people like you know, you come over, you know, come over here. And I could have probably

went over to Warner Brothers at the time. And I probably should have just played that hand better man and stayed with them and went over because one thing I realized, once you step out the industry, those jobs are no longer available to you once you walked the thing. I should have never stepped off the mountaintop, you know what

I mean. I should have stayed in the mountain and just you know, really ingratiated myself to them and say, hey, guys, you know, I appreciate the opportunity, but I'm gonna go up here and do this now. You know, I stayed in good graces with a man instead of leaving slamming the door, talking all kinds of shit. You know, but that's young shit, you know what I mean. That's young nigga shit. Dog. But I really went through a bad depression, dog,

because you don't realize. Dog. You think you're bawling until you stop. That money stopped coming in and you start, you know what I'm saying, kind of falling off. Man. And I went through a really bad depression. Dog. I was fucked up back then, like really fucked up, and thank god I got together. Well. That concludes another episode

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