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little bit of everything for sure. Night Yep, yep. So you know what we're gonna do is we got this little podcast go on, and our boy Norman Still, who's our producer, He's gonna explain what's going on and what we're gonna be doing. And so Norm go ahead and tell the people what we're gonna be doing monthly every other Thursday, once a week. We're gonna be coming to y'all. So please please please want y'all check in and always coming. Download our podcast and check us out or this against

the Chronicles. Let school cover all elements of crying from the streets to entertainment, the politics, wherever, wherever, it's the criminal element. Okay, okay, so let's go ahead and get started. We're excited James and I are excited. This is something new for us. So y'all bear with us. All we're gonna get better with time. First. First, first, I want to say this, my mother just passed and I was I'm in the process of doing the book and I dedicated that to it before she passed, and I wanted

to dedicate my first show to my mother. That's cool, Okay, Soles, rest in peace. I love you. This one on you. I love you, yep, and I hope we'll be able to do uh number one hundred. Then we're gonna do a special anniversary when we do our number one hundred podcast for that we get there, alright, alright, So this is what we're gonna deal with today on our first podcast, and we're gonna give honor or respect to the reason why you guys know us and know who we are,

and that's because of the Death Row error. Uh. And so one of the most popular songs UH that was done during the death Row era of Time to Live the Die l A. We're gonna we're gonna talk about some of the homies that are the gangsters, are ex gangsters that was around that you all know from the Living Dia l a song that Tupac did. Uh. So we're gonna first start off with a big ship. We're in the low low, y'all remember that verse that Park put out. We're gonna do Park last. YEA. I don't

get mad as not talking about Park first. But we're gonna talk about big ship. And so you know, James and I both and I let James talk about him in a little in a bit, but give us some history on on big Ship. We all lived in the same neighborhood. We all grew up in the uh it's a it's a gang area behind the Compton Swap Meeting. Uh you know the Compton Swap Meeting Long be so Old Sears uh on on Bullets Road near Rosecrans. It's called, uh,

you know, the Conference Swap meet. So anyway, we grew up in the neighborhood and that's a gang area called the mob part Rule area. UM used to be affiliated with some of your older heads with the Losers Park Parule. But we lived in the mob Paru area. Man, That's why James got his name mob from But I let him get into that with you guys. But we grew up.

We both grew up right around the corner less than um half of half a mile from Sugar Knight, who you all know from being the you know, the one of the co executive executives of death row records from back in the day. Um, so you know, James was

the one that started off with Sugar. I mean, when death row records open, James was there and he was one of his head right hand dudes that was right right with y that pretty much should have been and the owner or have a percentage in death row because all of the work that he put in with what should to make it happen. But we'll get into those

stories over due time. And then I came around the death row record because I was a cop in the city of Compton that grew up what even want to James and I both went to elementary, junior high and high school with Shock. I played football with James is a little hardheaded, so in high school he went another route and then and then finished with us. But but

that's just me tapping at James. But um, anyway, so I became a police officer, should went on and did some things, play some football, and after you got through playing football, he started working with al Hayman, the boxer promoter doing some stuff for concerts. And that's when James coming around. And so James go ahead and tell him how you hooked up with Sugar and how you and she pretty much started off. What's going on with everybody

out there? Um, me and sull U surrive our motorcycles together. Uh, maybe he wants to try as his mother wouldn't let him too much hang out with us, and uh we snug and got out there a couple of times. Um, after school, should win his way. I went my way. I was incarcerated, got out of the penitentiary and and uh should came and scooped the brother up and you know,

looked off of me. And next thing I know, you know this, this cat right here was on on our planes with him going out of town, you know, doing the bud while the super Fess the whole nine, seeing a lot of ship out there with ship. But then after that we started putting Death Road together. And in the process of putting Death Road together, we had to get certain people to make Death Row happen, which is

drem Miss was our first. Uh. Contracts we had to get from from Easy and Jerry Heller, So we went up to Jerry Heller's office, Ruthless Records, and and we got those contracts, and uh, jer and michel A came with us, and you know, we had a guy named Tom Klein from our previous but from shoots previous record company, Parnier Records, and we took off from there. Okay, okay, So that's where they that's where they started at, and

that's how Shill and James our relationship started. So I'll jump a little fast forward a little hit and tell you how I came around. So I was being a copy in the city of Compton and my father and I, uh, my father, Reginald Wright Senior, who was over the game

um unit and Compton and all of that. KA got some mentel that uh some of the cats that was working for ship probably mov James himself, but now, but some of the cats were planning on taking that nigger and tying him up and you know, extorting his family for some money or David Kenner or whoever to get give up some money to get him back. And so uh we gave him that intail and that immediately, you know, Sill was like, okay, okay, well that's why one of y'all.

Y'all need to be over here with me. I need one of y'all over here to watch my back. Pops immediately laughed at he men told him, man, I'm not about that. I'm not coming over there to work working with those guys. Most of the guys is working for you. I'm trying to put in jail on on some cases

right now. But you know me years of age, a youngster, and you know, knowing what Death Roll was about women, I was like, man, I need to uh, I need to be around that and also anyway, so I eventually got hired by you know, Shug and started hanging out with him and and yeah, so that's how we started off with Sugar, and that's how we both got affiliated from Ship got affiliated with Ship, and so that's our story there. We'll get more detailed to things that we

deal with him and all of that. So that was our relationship with Shell. So the next person that was mentioned on To Live and Die the l A song, and that's what we call in this episode to Live and Die l A shown these are people that y'all know that Park mentioned in that song. The next person with big neck bomb neck Bomb Neckbone is still a lie. It's not in jail. He's one of the few that can say that that was mentioned on that song. He's uh living out in the I area and raising his kids.

Y'all know Neckbone because he's the father and him and raised the lady of Rage. They had a kid together while they were stranded on Death Front. And yeah, so that's some of my members about Big Neckbone. Uh, James Big Neckbone is one of the one of the closest homeboys we had in the hood. With the business. Uh, you didn't never have to action for nothing twice or do nothing twice. He was with it and and phrase guy, he's still here with us. You know, we lost a

lot of brothers. I lost my brother also, but he's still here. He's still doing his thing taking care of girls. That was the big nack. Yep. Ye. Look, can we go back to something real quick. You know, it's a lot of mytholics around Death Row, a lot of stuff that might have happened, a lot of stuff that probably

didn't happen. Just to go back a little bit, when you guys first started off Death Row and you had to go get the artist and you want to got Micha LEI and you want to got dre was Eric easy to eat right actually in the office when you got I was there personally. I went. I was standing there with the bodyguard against wall ship going off as

hand of your business. Uh me and a couple of the other little hommies, three little hommies, and our purpose was to go talk to Jerry checks that Jerry Oda some money for something, okay, whatever, and we need to get these contracts. We thought we was gonna catch Easy up there and get at them both together. But Easy wasn't there, so she'll win in the office and hand of this business. He got a check before we left, and he had the files permission and dreke, oh wow.

So they just signed them over that Easy. He gave him up. He gave him to Shill. I don't know how they signed it or do whatever. I didn't see showed Jade okay, he signed it. When we left out of roofless. We hopped in the car, shipped in the car and we bounched. But she'll got a check and she'll got the contract, so she got to check up out of it. So he took his artist and got

to check up out of it. So the stuff in the movie was pretty much shall myth with the whole thing with Drake Colin easy up there and the dudes just jumping on him. That's why we're here, and that's why y'all got to tune into this podcast, because you're gonna get the reil from here. A lot of them from the Horses Mole exactly. A lot of that ship is so watered down that that, you know, Dred don't show what really happened to them, You know what I'm saying.

They had an episode in there with Dre was hidden death row security would have got his ass whoop touching on one of us or anybody that was affiliated with the mob, and then everybody would have whipped his ass. So a lot of that ship was was was it was. It was fake. It was fake. And and but if the guys want to tell it like that and make it seem like they were the man. No. I remember Dre at the skate ring. I remember Drake and all gold and silver. You know, never was with the business. Never,

he wasn't a game banger. He was in a game banger man. I took the dude sixty folk Chivy wouldn't giving it back to him. I should And the only thing he said to me is how you like to ride? I'm digging it. I'm having to ball hitting switches all over the place. And man, another myth that that's out there the talk about because he even touched on Easy. Everybody think Easy was this big high roller dealing with cocaine and all of that. All Easy did was he

was a marijuana seller and y'all need it. If y'a don't want to listen to me, go listen to Alonzo Wins. He did a show what was on my YouTube channel called bomb First, and he told it. He told the story on that. He said all Easy was he knew how to save money. He was real feudal with his money, but he was the weed connect. He had a good weed connect and he was selling the weed to all of the different homies and stuff like that. So that's

all that Easy was as well. So those proceeds from the weed sales did go on to formulate ruthless records later on there exactly, but said he was good with his money, was saving his money. So so you know, let me go back now we're talking about Easy and everything we would get back to the homies and the song, right, But going back to Easy now legendary do He did a lot of stuff West Coast music. He mean, you know, Death for a Wood. There was very pivotal record companies

for the West Coast. Did you ever, guys, did you guys ever run across Easy in the streets anything like that? Yeah, well, it used to be this this amateur show on Sunset and me and Sugar used to go there and we used to see Easy there. That's when I knew it was something wrong with Easy. But we ran across him at the bubb Wise super Fast in the backstage, I got a homeboy named Kenny tub Rest in peace. Uh walked up joint, tapped his pockets. Easy moved his hand.

He tapped his pocket, told him, don't move, took his money. Next day he went and brought him up callac. He robbed Easy, Well, let's let's go back, not to cook you off. You said, that's when you'll realized something wrong with Easy. What do you mean you think he knew when he when he when he had because he had on two T shirts to sweatshirts and a T shirt

and he just didn't look right at that time. Well that's you know, and that's a whole another story right there, you know, just we're easy because that's the first time ever I think somebody kicking HIV and don't know, baby Mama's have it. Don't nobody else have it. But that's a whole different story just going back. So as far as him, it just wouldn't never no conflict or nothing like that. He had no goons and nobody would have well he's I mean, who got Drey Limb yellow. I

mean that's all I ever seen them with. I'm from Compton, and those dudes wouldn't game bankers. Them dudes made a lot of money offer, you know, for traying being crypts, and they wouldn't factors in Compton. They never was. They never was crypt just like that movie see before, that's all them dudes was. And Easy was the only one that had ties in Kelly Park, which is a crypt neighborhood in Compton. But but Dre and the rest they wasn't there, wasn't no, they would not there doing what

we was doing. We never ran into him and we used to get into it all the time. So y'all was pretty much just the wolves out there. Y'all, the wolves are death from so y'all the reason everybody was scared petro ye now y'all, Okay, you know when we had firm here records, it was common, it was cool. But then when my brother bunch got out of the penitentiary, he hired some more than homies from the penitentiary as they was getting out. So to hear, you got ten

guys from out of the penitentiary. They work out together every day, and what bunch You had some twenties ones, but the rest of them was exactly so you had these guys and then now sheould wants this and want to portray that. So that's where all that came from. When when heavy d and all of them was seeing should they've seen all these bloods behind it? Who was

this dude squad? And that's all they used to say, and with the most second guess and Sugar when no more talking back to Shugar, she pretty much did what he wanted to because he had nothing but goons. Wow. So so let me tell you this, let me ask you this, and I promise we're not gonna keep dragging along everything. But this is the stuff that people want to hear and there's so many stories, you know what

I mean, It's just so much. This is what you guys will get to tune into every week just to hear the real stories from the horse's mouth, not no water down stuff, not them on another show where they just cutting off pieces of what they want to hear to say, it's a fan fair. This is from these guys mouth from their life. You know what I mean? You know, so subscribe, leave a comment, let us know what you think is. This is what's gonna be going down every week. Going back to this, this whole thing

with Should, so Should. Did you notice a gradual change in him from him having the most because you figured, not only does he have one of the most fear game in company, now he got the police with him too. So did you guys noticed exchange in his demeanor? I do this to change. When it first started, when we was with Fernhill and Chill went to death Row, Sheill was wearing brown suits, green suits, whatever color it wasn't red.

And then when we got the bunch ofies the ju jus to have rhins, then okay, I got more than a mile James now and I'm gonna step my game up. So now he's taking pictures. Now he's with the jury and all of this ship. The big said, God, Sheil never did that. He never did that until all of these guys came. And when when everybody came, Sheill pretty much felt like he was on top of the world and everything about shook. His whole demeanor and everything changed.

The way he talked to people, all that change, and it kind of ticked me off because he changed like that, and that was one of our biggest reason and footballer now and just me bagging away from me because he

turned into a total different person. Yeah, it's it's kind of a sad thing, you know, and I um talk about that all the time, you know, just with my buddies and everything on how you had a company that just made millions of dollars so quick, you know, black owned company, you know, make millions of dollars and really, you know, instead of just coming and perpetuating the negativity, he could have really did some positives and changed a

lot of people's lives. You know. It was it was so many things that positive that he did, but it wasn't enough. Like Christmas, Eastern Mother Day, that's cool, but you worth over five hundred and sixty five million dollars at one point. And then here you are, you you turning the record company into a game banging session. Now we're talking about murder. Now we're talking about doing by any mean its necessary to the person if anybody say no.

So now that change. Now you've got people that man, I'm I'm just got out of prison and she was happening. Why the whole staff was on PA and he was manipulating and playing everybody against each other. That was the main problem. He would be like, well if you do this, or do this, or do this to most of the homies. That and we'll get into later that when they started beefing and dying. Behind was all behind the manipulation of

him playing everybody against each other. When we get into the heron beef with George George Wells and all that is all behind a motherfucking car where he tricked or trying to convince heron and going and collecting this car. How Big Rock who's in prison right now? That was on the song. I think that he was put in jail because he wouldn't turn over a car, which is untrue. You know everything that you acting, it goes back to this.

You got fifteen penitenty motherfucker's with you. How is you able to control thud cast them been to jail for murder and everything else there've been to jail for, I mean, slapping their mama, And how do you control that? And that's one thing I give Shild. Shild took us and and pretty much like a some some promising and then at the end of the day we all wind back in the neighborhood or in the grave or in prison. And he did that and and you know a lot

of people say, well that's your fault. Damn show is it? Damn show is But I mean he made his situation happen to where, man, I can't fail if I got all these guys on my tip and then I'm pan them because everybody on Death Road never had a job, none of them. So to actually see a check and not rob nobody for it, that's what killed the whole game, you know what I'm saying. So everybody by enemies necessary, I'm gonna get my money, And that's what changed everything.

Everything flipped at that point. And people don't understand the guy is gifted in a lot of ways, but at the end of the day. Did nobody come out of it a winner? Nobody? No, none of us? So none of us? Wow, So let me ask you guys this. Then I go back and then we go back to Living Die in l A. That's the name of the show, just name of the episode today. Do you guys at every point, at any point, do you guys think should was kind of scared a little bit? Is that why

he started with the trigger ration and everything? People against each other? I got you on that one. When she realized that he was dealing with some real cutthought, straight up bloods. That was was undercover. I need this and you better get it. And he didn't have no choice but to do it. She'll tried to find a way like myself, Like myself, he tried to find a way to to cut you out the circle. So he was scared a lot of times. A lot of times. Yeah, he was scared because and that's and what do you

what do you mean by that? As well? I'll try to say he would play the money and that's when he was going offer this guy this amount of money to go and deal and go and deal with this, and you know, he would dangle the money in front of another person or this person that situation. He played it, I said, and watched it. I said, and watch it. But yeah, he was. He was afraid, you know. And he and I had got so close to where he he got a name that that that he used to

say call him, and that name was stunt Dummies. He's telling me what it was in jail. Get the stunt at me to do this. It stunted on me to do that. That's he started looking looking at people. Wow. So it was pretty much just a thing. So, and just to get this straight, everybody grew up together. Yeah, all of all of us were. My house was was

the the station. My house was every morning like clockwork. Uh, walking to school together, walking home from school together, Uh, sleeping, they showered, everything My house was was was home base for many years, many years. Wow. So y'all was like, um, so I just picture this man, and I think that's the biggest thing. And that's what I was seeing earlier when we was kind of off you know, off camera, you know, off the show, off the air. Kind of a gang ain't necessarily a bad thing. A gang is

a collective of people that grew up together. So at one time, like you said, Joe was riding dirt bikes, playing football, doing games, just normal kids, you know. And let me interject there. I don't want to come off because what with a lot of this negative stuff that we're talking about. Now, I can tell you some good stories as well. I can tell you about sitting on the fifth yard line yard line at a Super Bowl game. I can tell you a boy being laying in the

fourth season hotel. I can tell you about him sending my mother some roses just because I can tell you, you you know, uh, little things that he did for a bunch of and their mother are out little things, you know that, But you know he has done. It's some good that's some bad with it that I experienced and I saw, you know what we need to do. Let's go back and play that Live and Die record a little bit for the folks out there. We can play the homies name on we hold on one second. It's

the Gangster Chronicles digital soapbox. Here he deals right here are we back? Now We'll start from the top. Tupac said they've got some hash, took the stairs, left the wrist for me, nick Bone Tree, ear rum punch, Bountrey to Big Rock, got nabis ones for you. We go back from the top. We already talked about nick Bone, right, we need to go into trade now, alright, we'll go to Tray. I'll start off with Tray tray Vonn Lane, we call him. I called him, She'll called him Youngster.

That's what we called him. He's the guy that's known mainly for ah, some will say whispering into tupac ear that made him go and jump on the Orlando Anderson. He's also known for um uh for getting into the occation, the altercation at the Lakewood Mall who they attempted to take his uh his death row chain and what led into the incident at the MGM. Um. So that's what we know tray Vonn Lane for already. So you know what since y'all got the show, now that's what I said.

This is you guys platform where y'all tell the stories where we go kill and stuff. Just the rumors from the people that was there. It's a lot of speculations. So Trey actually kept the change kept. They didn't get the change from them. They not get the change because I heard that you know those different things that you understand that they dollar Richard if he'd got it, and they hadn't really been talking about that, so so that if he would have got the change, that wasn't the rumors.

So that so they really had a ten thousand dollar bounty on the death Road change. Yeah, who was that? That was bad boys. He wanted to use it and put it in a in a video. And you know a lot of people don't don't even understand why Puffy on the shotline. Right now, I'm gonna put you up

on something. Puffy was hanging in Compton Country, was hanging on Burish or California, at keep you D's house, and Puffy would come and my my daughter's mama is from south Side, so Pam hung out with him and kicked it with him and let me know that they was there, and and Puffy was putting it out there and talking about the neighborhood and this and that. But when the homies went through there, they were gone. So punchy, I mean,

Puffy pretty much played a role like Shug. He hired the South Side Cribs to protect him, knowing that they are rivals, paying them a little something some same situation should have had over their death row. But Puffy wanted certain things done because of Shugar to prove to Shugar that he wasn't this bitch ass and they go or whatever. But when the ship got hot, Puffy disappeared. It's too late for that. It was too late for that. So yeah, Puffy played. He played a big part of and and

and what with Puffy though? And why it hurts us so much? And she grew up with us, played in the sandbox with us. He knows our mama's we know his mama exactly what Puffy They were just niggas that when he came in l A. He played what He didn't go to school with him. He don't have no tides with him, He didn't have They didn't know his family, he didn't know their family. And so it hurts a little bit more. People that's that's close with you hurt you more than a person that has distance from you.

And so wow, so we got this classic Tupox song, you know, and and that's the thing about music. All these guys are pretty much mortalized now because this is gonna be one thing about Tupos music. It's gonna be here twenty years from now because he just had you know, it's it's gonna be a twenty thirty years from now. So these guys names gonna be mortalized too. So we talked about neck bone, We talked about three. We got the next one here on Big Haron Goadie, Mirv James

calls them super Flyer, Yeah, superflup. Uh. Smokey Robber was the pretty pret I mean constantly in and out of prison. Uh. He had them hands, he could fight. He I mean, he was one of the homies that was very carismatic and and just with the business. And you know, the way he died was you know, it was sad because this is our people. This is our people killing him, you know what I'm saying, And and he didn't deserve that,

and the way things happened. I don't want to I don't want to sound wrong, but I gotta keep in one honey. Hard Run was a very big factor in our in our neighborhood mob and lew this part. Uh. He represented the penitentiary like like the Kings do. And he just didn't deserve to die the way he died. You know, he was shot twenty sometimes at a stoplight in in the in the neighborhood and Compton and Man it was he shouldn't have he shouldn't have went out

like that. He was, he was solid. The question has always asked on me when what was heron from? Was the louds a mob? And I want James to answer that Ron wasna be And and people get a twisted because at one point the mob and Luters it was Luters Park mob. And and if you go to prison, whether mob James or not, I was lout as park You know what I'm saying. That's that's the mothership, that's

that's the whole connect. So when this situation happened and broke from that, Haron was still saying them gonna be And I know he had a m ob peaky rainy and the dudes that were from Louis didn't wear MLB pinky ranking Oh wow. So you know, going back to Lewis Parker, Mom, I got cousins this from. I don't gang bang, but I got cousins from over there. Crawford Wilkerson better known as high Sea from Tree Top Poker,

like my brother Tony Lane, good friend of mine. You know, all these friends of mine, you know what I mean? So I never you know, I came doing you know, what he's doing a little bit better, man, Thank god, man, he doing better. You know, he was sick and you know, you know, I when I saw him in his hospital, bid man for those for the people out there. We're talking about Tony Lane, Black Tune, Sheffer Lane Records. You might know him as the man behind Sugar Free, you know,

Big Marsburg, Resident Peace and many other records. You know, you know, just texting on that. It's a lot of talent comping man, a whole lot of challenge. If it wasn't sports, it was it was the music. Me and matter Ryan used to hang over there on Cherry I believe where uh, DJ Quick you should spend his make his little seats. Man grew up to be something and and he took his music to a different level. And DJ Quick is known all over the world now. And but I remember when he was at Yarster, you know

what I'm saying. We used to hang over there, you know, telling that little ship. And the guy grew up into the music business and he made some money out of it. So it's it's a lot of talent out there. Yes, it's a whole lot of talent, you know. And then you know, up next. The next man the two Bucks said in this song was bunch bunty. I can't talk on it. All of this A brother that had a lot of respect for that I love like a brother. But I let his real brother talk about him. I was,

I was doing the house. Uh, bunch of is my brother. Uh a year younger than me. Uh he was in the penitential when all this stuff got started, and Uh, I told him, don't worry about nothing. I got a spot for you when you come home. He came home. I introduced a bunch of the Sugar. Bunch of started working with Sugar. I was scared to fly, and a bunch of started going out of time with Sugar, and him and Chug got real close and became good friends.

And right now today I regret. I regret the fact that I broke my brother into this or introduced him to it. But he got killed at the at the gas station in the neighborhood by Death Row members. And it's hard talking about him. But my brother was, he was, he was siding, he was he was solid, he was one hunted. Uh. He became Shugar number one, and UH he wouldn't letting nothing happen to sugar. It wasn't going

down on his watch. And and I the most stuff to respect of most respect for my brother, and I missed him. Rest from peace bunch, but real, oh wow, yeah, I know that's got to be a sad situation. But like we said, you know, to live and die in that way, you know, you know, he's going through some of the positive stuff. They had some of the coldest music ever hit the music industry. It was almost like

the Motown hit, you know what I mean. It was just the impact that had and everybody, you know what I mean, would happened, you know, when the chronic dropped and you know, just all that just you know, good music everybody, you know, from all the careers. There was lunch like you know, Snoop Dogg is going on twenty some years now, you know what I mean. Just the

classic albums that was dropped over there. You know they're glad, you know cutting its twenty five five years, you know, from Tupac to the Dog Pound, Snoop Dogge, you know, all this just beautiful music being made. Man, and you know they got more to lives on records now. So you know the thing is that's the dutiful thing about music. You know, it's somebody over in Germany right now or Japan now that's listening. And they knew all those names, and they want to hear these stories like you know,

who was bountery, you know who was here round? Who was neckbone? All of these guys, you know what I mean. And that's what we're here for, you know. And at the end of the day, guys, that's not just gangstert but they meant exactly. You know, at the end of the day, everybody's a man. You know, they got families and everything. They talk to them. They didn't want to be a gangsters. They were dealt that hand and dealt with that. But it's not it's that's that's not what

it's about. You know, you're growing up in the neighborhood and you got all these guys together and everybody pretty much robbing people to eat and and and these dudes doing this. My brother and all every other guy was on death row was just excited to get a check and didn't have to get out of prison and and rob to feed their kids or to get them new

sneakers and keep up with the wear. So it was it was just all about just like death Row brunt, something new to everybody that was there, because ain't nobody that was on death Row ever been out of Compton, like flying on planes going to New York and ship, so that ship made him feel good. We ain't gotta get out here and do this. I got a chance to get off for role. Excuse me. So that's what

it was about. It was they men, but at that time we was young and and and we was full of it, and we was getting paid to do what we was doing in the neighborhood, just hotels and and and getting at them that way. And that was the cold part about it. People just don't understand. This is from the street side, not from around the corner or whatever.

But every guy there was starving and did what they had to do to get a check, whatever it took to get a check, and to stay that's the cold part, to stay on death Row, not to say here or check because some catch we went to death Row. Gotta check four hundred dollars. Man, I'm going back to my what I was doing. And they made more money robbing people, but then some made eight hundreds, some made twelve hunted

and man, I'm gonna sit here for that check. So so some of the dude was getting four hundred dollars a week and some of them was getting twelve hundred dollars a week. Yeah, and when we're talking about the nineties. But the point is he would have that when someone was getting more and something was getting left, and and and and he did that purpoctly to divide and conquer to you know, to make me feel smaller than the next man. And you don't do people like that. When

they all ride. It was all on the plane, set next to each other and pretty much doing the same thing, showing everybody they damn check so down they see a bunch of getting thirty five hundred dollars. Damn why a bunch of getting thirty And we're doing the same thing. So I got nine hundred dollars, you got thirty hullars. So now they now he has turned us against each other. Now we're fighting each other because his check is bigger. You know, let me ask you this before we go

over to the next guy. Wasn't there every any time like when you was there, because I'm pretty sure you was. You was there with him pretty much from the beginning. James. Yeah, y'all probably learned enough about the music industry where y'all could have probably when it started, y'all on coming, I'm pretty sure you'll had all the context. And that was another problem that that should have had. A couple of the homies was was learning the music business and was

getting close to some of his contacts and whatnot. Uh Big Jake we talked about another day, was was was learning the business well to do his own thing. My brother Buntrey had how many groups you have one too? Yeah, but she was supposed to. He had always think, uh, get those records and find out what they're supposed to been called get old records? Was what do you told? Bunchy was his record label. But he had Hub and you know, he was managing O F TV and stuff

like that. But these the people you heard, uh, but they never got a shot. Why didn't they? You know? Kind of the same with Jake people. This is what I'm saying. You know, this is a story that can go. I can go for Yeah, we can go. I can tell you. You know, I remember when he had Big Jake thinking he was managing Quicken and second in the nine we want the Profile records to talk to him about some money that was old too quick, and the executive said, well, I talked to Jake. Jake walks out

the room. What do you mean he talk to Jake Jake ain't nobody who you know, the belittle man. As soon as he leaves the record, you know, leads the location my situation. I did do what you said. I started to run the company and i'd be you know, I ran the company from nineties seven to two thousand and two. But as soon as he come home. The reason why I had to get all of there, because

where's my role now? You know? Uh, Jimmy ivy and just saying okay, sending Reggie over, we're getting it worked out, sending Reggie over. No, I don't need Reggie. I'm home now. You know, you don't need to talk to Reggie. And so my point is what James was saying. He didn't like that. So I took my talents to other places. Well you know what, Yeah, let's talk about Jimmy yav being real quick before you go on to the last one. Jimmy vin seemed like he pretty much gave him the

keys to the kingdom. When you're making hits, you're gonna do that. Uh, the guy in Cleveland when he loved Lebron James, right, But as soon as Lebron James left, what he started saying talking about it, talking about him, hated him. It was mad came back he loved him. So my point is, as long as you're making people money, they act like they love you. They let you do what you want. But at a point when she was in jail, he was the first one to cut off

his water. Sugar was when Tupac was alive and Snoop was happy and all that a million and a half dollars monthly a month, sure goes to jail. Tupac no long as within us, Snoop, Snoop want to leave. Dre's gone. We don't no longer need you. We're gonna take this love the contract because you was in jail. Now that uh, we don't want you. We don't want your record company no more. But we still do business with you. But we pick what we want to do with you. And

all they picked was what two puck albums? Okay, what was this strict from ninety seven on, everybody in the scope just a two puck stuff. So it's it's business so you know what we go back to that. Now, let's go back to Drey real quick. You know the possibly arguably the greatest rap producers, not just rap producer, but produce a pere in the history of music. How do you know? How do you let him go? How do you not fix that situation? She figured he used

him enough, but shouldn't think Dre was gonna come back. Man, you know this guy's telling them, this guy just made you a lot of money, and then he let him go. See that should problem he think before at a time and he knew he messed like when he when he went he in jail. Now should know that man don't owe you no money. That man left broke. Now you're gonna go up here and say he owed me money and you get into an altercation. This was his This his theme the whole time. So Dre say, holding his nuts,

I don't owe you nothing, talk to about people. I don't owe you nothing. I ain't giving you nothing. And that was what should think. Should figure that everybody know him a bully. So all I gotta do is tell you I want the womb like Van their lies and everybody else that I want this, And they're gonna give it to you, and most of them was, but Drey when giving him nothing. Because Drey knew he didn't know ship, Dre walked away with zero zero dollars of death row

to make sure he was just zero dollar. I swear to God, the man made the best choice he ever did in his life, because he already knew when he was finning getting into now now that I ain't got a worry about getting killed out of here. I ain't got a worry about no death road security beating me up, slapping on me. I ain't got a worry about should believe me. So the day he left there bro the day he went home, that's when he first got some good sleep because I ain't gotta deal with you. And

I got a different take on that. I mean, I hear what what James said, but I do have a different take. Shill didn't want Dre to leave. Dre wanted to leave because he found out he was working on his baby mama, and that's why Drey insisted on leaving. But Sill did not want Dre to leave. But he didn't know how to be humble enough to make that situation work. Now, Park was an instigator on it, and but Park didn't know the whole story. So let me

ask you this. Now, we got a business, this podcast blew up and making millions of dollars here, would you risk that all about looking at somebody else's wife As a man. You don't do that stuff no way. You know. You know what I'm saying. Violation. I don't even speak to nobody's wanting your violation. And we ain't making money together. Exactly as long as I know you and you know me, and you exactly this is regularly do it off the streets. I have no words to say to you like this.

We're talking about manly principles now, then we talk about the music. And exactly here you have a man that never broke bread with you, but he deal with you because it's about money. Now, need to see something that you have, something that you got that he won't. That's all it was about what should It's what we was in North Carolina. I'm talking to a chick. He like damn West said, man, don't take it to the room. Next thing you know, she'll go over there talking to

it and told her something. I don't know what he told her from this day on, but she she left with him. He must have told her I'm the one with the money, and will they just bean security or whatever, and and left with him. That's the type of citty due So Shugar is the type of guy that he ain't got no friends. He gonna use any and everything and everybody. Would you agree with me? Magether is him first? Everybody else second? Thank you? Wow? Yeah, he's he's real deep. Wow.

That's crazy. So we gotta get to the last one on the list. Last one make the song Big Rock. Big Rock got not rockets in jail. He's he's on one of the California laws, the flaws. He went to jail for possession of a gun and got struck out and doing twenty five life. Rock was a good dude. I love the fight. Uh we'll ball up his fist. I'll tell a story about Big Rock right quick. One

of the homies h from HollyHood named Donzelli. He uh he got cart uh selling some some all eyes on the album on a cassette up at this uh weed spot in in Compater that was a car wash and a sound place called Untouchable Sounds on the launder and uh Washington. But everybody in the Launder in Atlantic, and so some of the homies was up there holding the music being played all eyes on me before it was released.

And well, of course they found out that don Zelli, who was quick bodyguard, uh, dropped it off and left it up there. So, you know, back then in the nineties, it was taboo for your music to get released prior to the street date. It was like taboo. And so they all brought him in the office and took him up in shed office at Candal Studio, and she was like, you know, because he's a part Rule, he's a he's one of the homies. He was like, you gotta take a favor with one of the homies. You gotta take

a favorite with somebody in there. So, as I remember, it was Rock Trade Bountry, uh and a couple other the homies in there, and and so she was like, you know who you want to take a favorite and so Rock. So Donzelli was sizing up everybody looking around, and so Rock, who's a small dude, short, you know in stature, He's just like Funk that I'll take the face. And he just went in and bombed on down delly right quick. That was the type of dude that Rock was. But I let, I mean, I had Rock. I had

the privilege of running the streets with him. Uh in the all kind of things with Rock Chisholm. Rock chishom was one of the solids that that walk Compton and everybody know, if you mintioned a Chisholm, the first name they're gonna say is Rock because he was active and he was ready. I got a story about Rock and what made me just laugh, like mug shuld went to jail when she told everybody to take their cards to the office and park them. Rock said this, nigga must

be crazy. Rock went downtown and got a pink slip made to the car and sold the car. Chugon was mad. He went to jail after that, right uh yeah, yeah yeah. For the second time. Rock kind of felt that that he was set up or whatever. But Rock was the only one that said, nigga, fuck you, and I ain't giving up my card. What I'm gonna do while you and jail. So he did his thing and and and that's the one hunting. That's that's like one hunt. You know what I'm saying. Rock Chisholm solid is all our dudes.

And and man, big up. You can't wait till you come home? And rock Rock is one that was wasn't from either loaders of the mob that was mentioned that he was from the um LM Street Paru, which is half a block half a mile away from where they grew up at where we grew up at. Alright, alright, so I guess we're closing it down for the night right now. Nice episode right there. Yeah, yeah, please tune in, you guys, and you guys CAx us every week every Tuesday,

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