Richie Ramsay Geeks Out About Golf Architecture

Richie Ramsey. Richie is a Scottish pro who won the two thousand and six US Amateur at Hazel Team. He's also a four time winner on the DP World Tour, most recently at the Kazoo Classic last September at Hillside Golf Club. He's also super passionate about golf architecture, makes a point to go out and see courses wherever he might be, and he always has compelling things to say

about those experiences. It's pretty rare in his profession. Super thoughtful guy, and I thought it was just time to get him on the podcast and have a wide ranging chat about whatever he's interested in the Last time Richie was on The Frida Egg it was January twenty eighteen, way back on episode seventy with Andy Johnson, so it's

been a while. There's a lot to talk about. We're going to cover Richie's recent trip to Minnesota, where he saw a bunch of cool courses and stopped by hazelteen, which will soon be undergoing a quote reimagining by Davis Love's architecture firm. We'll also address the recent changes in the world of professional golf and how Richie thinks all of that will affect the DP World Tour. And finally we'll touch on Walton Heath, which is the venue of

this week's women's open. Totally fascinating course that Richie has a ton of experience with. All Right, that's what we have in store for you. After this break, you'll hear from Ritchie Ramsey. This episode of the Frida Egg Podcast is brought to you by ag One, the daily foundational nutrition supplement that supports whole body health. I drink it

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That's drink ag one dot com slash the Fried Egg. Ramsey, Welcome back to the Friday Podcast. I understand that you're in Minneapolis at the moment. What are you up to there?

you pretty hits you pretty quickly. And then of course when you get the trophy, when you get a minute just to look at it and you see the names, particularly the names hit you and it's like, wow, this is like once my name goes on it, like you

cannot take this off. And you know, I'm not saying I'm a world beer, but just the fact that you know Tiger Michaelson and then you go further back when you've got people like Jones and stuff on there, that's your your kind of very honored and probably humbled to have your name put in history with the same names as that. Really, so it was it was very very cool.

you know, touching up in places. Not a massive overhaul I don't expect from a routing perspective, but things like, you know, looking position of bunkers, maybe character of bunkers, maybe edges of bunkers, you know, green complexes, have they come in pinnable areas, places where you could maybe just I would like to think push push it out a little bit to create some harder pimp positions and really bring the bunkers more into play. But yeah, I haven't

really seen any solid plans. But yeah, it's a big championship golf course. They're very very lucky or lucky they're smart that they've got land around the last few holes with regards to the hospitality, so it really fits in very well for a major championship. And I wasn't at the last round of Cup, but I believe you know, so many people come out because they have such a short window, right, It's like so many people come out and support the event, and any really sporting event during

the summer is well received and well supported. So it's a big thing for anything that comes into the town.

not sure that they could do it again. So I guess that must be a big consideration for Hazel team, like we've got to be able to get all these people in here all at once.

And it was amazing. Just I mean, Glen Eagles from an infrastructure perspective was ideal train station, motorway, you know, getting people in and out, the player stay on site. But yeah, that's quite interesting. How you you build something so there's a flow that you can get people around the course. Viewing is a huge issue and obviously you want to create an element of drama, you know, particularly

on those putting on the probably the back nine. So I'm sure all those things are considerations that are taken the play in and uh, maybe less pins in the middle of the greens, more on the site.

see interesting courses. What have you seen and what have been some of your thoughts on what you've seen.

game at them. But some really cool features. I think Layman came in Tom Lam and someone else came in and changed a few things, but the routing is the same, and I just thought like the way he works it through through the there's a little kind of valley and then he goes up into the high points some really cool movement in the land. Love like the it's got these long sort of angled bunkers squared off that are really cool. A brilliant favorite hole that the course was

was number eleven. He played this part five into the corner green is pitched up and then it sweeps off. There's a big drop off back right and then it's all short grass going into the tea. On eleven, they turn around in this fantastic green that sits up at you with two bunkers into the right and sort of

very difficult to judge. Depths, perception because there's a there's there's nothing behind it and then run off down the left and it was and it's just angled at you for a right hand or just a nightmare thinking, you know, thinking really on the angle at twelve is at Augusta where you know, if you just don't, if you leak it, it's in the bunker difficult. Now if you pull it, it's going down the runoff and away quick greens. That was really cool. Played Whiteberry Yacht Club, which like blew

me away. Asked like, just stood in the first hole and I was like, the scale is off the charts. I was thinking, the thing place a good picture of it. I've never been there is Yale Golf Course compare.

movement in the land is incredible. Some of the greens are wild, you know, even the first green and I hit like a wedge in there, got up there and I'm like fifteen foot and I'm like, how do I stop this? There's a huge bank at the back, it's kind of blind at the front, massive valley that falls away into like a flatbed. Bunker nine is an incredible hole up high part five. You hit to this sort of down into this plateau and then the fairway falls

away from you. You kind of hit over that, over another hell and you can run it in from fifty sixty yard short and then twelve was absolutely off the charts. But then you start so looking at it and seeing stuff. I'm like, right, okay, I see Scotland in it a bit. I see it's feeding in like some of the holes with you know, very much a lot of the holes you're blind coming in. You can see the top of

the flag. And then you get up there and then there's all these slopes and you're you're thinking, well, I could go straight the pin back, you'd hit it twelve yards right and it will bank and of the off the slope that was that was really cool. And then another highlighted trip. I got to go and see Andrew Green at Interlack and he was really kind. He obviously very busy. Guy connected with him on social and I said, you know, I'm in town. I would just love to

come out and see it. But to see the site and progress was brilliant. Some of his ideas, his passion was incredible, his knowledge, you know, was off the charts, and I think I can only imagine good things will come from that.

take in moving that direction. So we'll see. But it's a pretty cool piece of land, right It's like, you know, a fantastic piece of land.

to play Woodhill, which was on the list. Brian Schneider was very kind and I think you're doing some restoration work there men the Cada as well up the road that's nor Donald Ross, but Interlack and have some cool movement,

you know. I just think I'm not going to go into too much detail give away a secrets, but I just thought there was a there was a few bunkers that I was just like, wow, this is this is brilliant and just it's taking all that history, all that research that he I think he spent nearly a year doing and just bringing it to life. And probably the other thing. As much as I enjoy the golf course architecture, I do love the buildings and living in Edinburgh, I'm

very fortunate to see that all the time. But the clubhouse, a diner, the restoration they'd done in some of the rooms upstairs and interlacking was absolutely first class. Just a beautiful, beautiful setting and and nice golf courses school with it.

able to open that course. So that's another thing to keep an eye on in in that area, all right. So, so shifting gears a little bit talking about you know, how your play has been recently. You've been You've had a lot of really good performances recently. You know, there's a there's there's a bit of a resurgence going on

in your career, which has been really good to see. So, you know, last year you won on the DP World Tour for the first time in a few years, and I thought it was very appropriate that the win came at an architecturally interesting golf course, which was Hillside Golf Club. So tell me, like, what what do you like about Hillside and why do you think you play well there?

The members were great. They've put on a futurements over the last few years and I think all the players enjoyed the challenge. It moves. It's not traditional link, so it goes out and back, so a lot of the holes move in different directions and it kind of makes you feel uncomfortable, you know. The best example of that is like Mirrorfield with the the clockwise and anti clockwise loops. It never lets you settle, which I think is quite good.

There's a few holes playing similar directions, particularly in the back nine. It's every different direction. I had that in my mind because I'm quite I'm not the longest player in the world, but when we played the back nine on the final day, I knew that was straight and I could shape it, holding it into the wind right to left, or you know, holding the win to left

or right. So I was fine moving the ball either way and that knowing that, having that that was coming at me, I was more happy or more comfortable doing it then probably maybe some other players in the field, but just I just enjoy the movement in the ground. It's very natural. The greens are relatively flat, so the internal contour is relatively flat, which makes it very playable for members, particularly when it gets windy, but there's a

lot of external contours. That's something that I learned a little bit about whether we're building Castle Stuart about that idea, and I like that idea because it makes it very playable for everybody. But there's also roots to get into the green and it's still a challenge for the best players, which it turned out to be. I think the winning score was fourteen under. It's just a fun course to play,

and you play pretty much through that your bag. The other thing you would say is that with technology, the fours that were more of a challenge, and maybe some of the corners the guys can cut. You know, it'd be great to see, you know, maybe five four rons come in. Some of those greens which can take four and five irons you can land them short and run them in. But definitely a place where there's options off

the tee. You can play aggressive if you want, but you're going to have an elmt of risk coupled with that aggressive nature. So a thinker's course, and when it played relatively firm and fast, that's why that's why I enjoy Because everything becomes smaller, you've got to be tighter with your dispersion, you've got to be tighter with your approach play and makes missing greens a lot harder.

sort of is elevated because of that. And I just you know, like Whiteberry yesterday, you know, the front nine, I didn't play that great, but I was just looking around and I was like, this is this is very

very cool. And it's all those courses that make sense the mas from a strategic viewpoint, you know, like where the bunkers are, I say, different different routes into the whole, how we play holes differently from one day to the other, options, land, movement scale, all those things that kind of if you're soaking up and getting hit by them all the time, it elevates the experience for me. And when things make sense from a strategic point of view, that really that

really helps me. Because everybody knows that if you put a bunker and the left a bunker and the right, well where'd you hit it? Well, you hit it between the two. Whereas if you if you stagger them and change it and you have slopes attacked and sort of the slopes, kicking out the bunkers. You really got to think a lot more and that that's what I enjoy.

me through that experience. What was it like to be in that first group off in the open, Like that's a pretty big deal.

who I know as well. But the sort of you could maybe say with the Jordan effect, and not the the amount of people that were there, just the fact that it's the first tea his home club there was and it's a real it's quite cool walk you walk over the bridge down through the it was like a tunnel and it's funny how we talk about architecture sometimes and talk about kind of compressing and releasing and some golf courses and the way that Arnie have done that

with the first tea set up was quite cool. We come into a tunnel and then you walk in and it's really tight round of tea but quite vertical and even when you walked on the tee there was a great round of applause and the fairway was lined and and that was very cool. That's something that I'll remember

for a long long time. You get goosebumps. I try to forget the first tea, the actual way I hit the first t shop, but the experience up to there was was really really good and just a cool thing to sort of add to my CV that I've done and experienced. And yeah, it was something that when you've got crowds like that and a kind of special tournament, it really elevates the experience and the feelings, the noise, you know, the goosebumps and stuff like that. It was very very cool.

bunker is severe that first of all. That and that plays into your mental perspective because you know it's there, because you know it's a SHOT's It plays into the way you swing the club, as opposed to a standard tour course where you're like, well, I can just swing away if I go in the bunker, it's probably better than meaning the rough. So that element to it is

quite big. I think there's a lot of holes where you're partially sighted, you know, whether you're hitting over a bunker or you can't see the bottom of the flag, particularly on the back nine. When you play those holes that go down and come back up, you're playing on that that's not the water's edge, but you you're generally

hitting it down towards the bunkers. You're playing up towards the greens, so those runoffs at the side plane into it, and you're hitting into greens that are put in the back nine long and generally quite narrow off a sidle lie. And then you add wind into it, so you've got slopes or feeding everything off. You've got sitle lie, which you've got to manage, and that's if you get past the bunkers, and then you add wind into it. So all the combinations make it quite tricky. I would say

you have to shape the ball quite a bit. There's a lot of holes where I mean, I felt myself like, Okay, on this one, I'm going to hit a lot of fade and hold it into the wind just to stop the ball running across the fairways. And then when you get on the back nine, you kind of feel like, okay, maybe hit a couple of fades to hold it into

the wind. And then you get on the host coming home, And if the wind was geuring into off the left, it would suit someone who could hit a nice draw and hold it in, because if you can't hold it, even if you hit a straight shot, the wind is pushing it and it's just funneling into those bunkers all day long. And I'm the kind of person that if I would see a left right slope, it wasn't that

firm because it did rain. But if I see a left right slope, I'm trying to feel like I want to hit a draw into it to hold it because I know that anything that's left or right, it's just funneling away from you. So it was a little bit unfortunately those slopes didn't come to life because of the fact that you had the rain. But I think all those little combinations and it it kind of stops you all.

Sometimes hitting driver as well. Probably one thing, particularly for the longer players, if you play it with even just a little bit of wind, you actually don't have to hit driver that much if you're trying to pick it apart. And if you do hit driver, like I said, a little bit like Hillside, there is the relevant amount, relevant amount of risk that there should be. There's interesting there

was a couple of holes though. If you're really long like two, three, four or five seven that if you can get over the bunkers, it's a massive advantage because you get the angle like to you saw that shot that Rory hit where you almost got relief in the grandstand. He just he's like, I'm taking the bunkers out of play, smash it down or right, and then you've got a direct line up the green with a wedge in your hand.

So I'm sure the day I would be very interested to see date collection points on that and scoring relevant to that because some of the bunkering is at times can be quite symmetrical. So I would see I'd be interest see what they do with that to seven and fifteen bunker placements. You can I played with Kirk Yama.

He hits it pretty far and I can see what I could see what he was doing, you know, which takes that element of strategy out, because I'm like, it was like, here's all the strategy, right, but if I can hit it here, I take it all out of play. Right, So I think there's definite scope to improve the course and make it, make it harder, and make that strategy element come into play a bit more.

saw him do that a couple of times. It may have been on two, it may have been on four, but one day I think it was on Saturday, he just hit it thirty yards farther than everybody else and hit it over everything and had a little flip wedge into a hole that should be long and hard, and I was just like, man, that is you know, this is of course, yes, where some precision is really important, but there are a couple of holes where if you have that extra gear of Rory type power, then man,

is that a huge advantage.

For me, I just need to worry about that one, and I can either challenge it potentially, try and get over it really good, or take out a play by handing it down one side. So yeah, that's staggered bunker system. I'd like to see a little bit more, and it would just challenge the whole of the field more and it would give you typically on hose like two. It would give you so many more options. So instead of just like shorting the bunkers and long the bunkers, it

would be like, right, okay, well can go short. I can go over the first one and short of the last one to get the angle and have an easier short end. But I'm taking on more risk. And then if you push that second monker and the right further up, then the question that I'm being asked is the same question that Rory's being asked as opposed to He's like, well, just take it out the difference between his driving my drive. Then you're talking some eighty yards and that's a huge gap to fill.

at Royal Liverpool yourself. I mean you you had some. You had some you know, stretches of those rounds where you were playing really really good golf. Your final round, you know, wasn't your best. But I would imagine that there's some stuff that you're going to take away from your performance at Royal Liverpool and kind of take into the rest of the season on the DP world to where do you have thoughts about that?

game was was really funny. I went through spells where I played the way I think I should play, very very steady, and then had a couple of just shots where even I was like, where did that come from? That is few choice worse than myself. It was very much like what the are you doing here? And that kind of derailed me. I didn't get off to the best of starts obviously, one, two, three. It's a tricky start at Tilke and I think if you gave any player on that field right, you're going to be a

level part after three you take it. But at the same time, I feel like I understood what my problems were. A couple of rescues off the tea. You know, I came here luckily, I went to the three M open to see the guys at Callaway. Got some new clubs built for that purpose because I want to be able to be a little bit more confident off the tea with I'm very confident with driver, but more like long

Roland's and rescues off the tea. So got some new clubs built for that and that'll help me moving forward. When I'm playing. Courses are a little bit firmer and faster, and you can chase it down there and it's more of a positional course. But the one thing I realize is that, and I've been playing golf for a long time, is that even if it's a major, just believe in

your ability, Like never stop believing in your ability. If I'm playing a monthly medal or going out and playing by myself, I just kind of go, what, it's one forty four, the winds off, l right, I'll hold up at nine. If I'm playing and open. That should be the way it should be. Don't overcomplicate it, keep it quite simple and remember how good you are at golf.

That sounds funny, but Scottish pessimistic. That pessimistic outlook can sometimes seep into my game and that's something that I need to remember.

that's going on. But I guess I'm just curious about, like what your thoughts are about where you want to see the tour go in the future. I know that's a big question, but I think you've been thinking about it.

what we're competent. And we need to have people who are the best at what they do, which is making decisions, building a strategy. But at the same time, it has to come with a player involvement and because anything that they do has a direct relationship to what we have to do, where we have to travel, where we have

to play. How it affects it's going to sound funny, but how it affects families and holiday You know this, this is a brilliant time, I think for a lot of players because obviously we're coming up against the FedEx. Top players are there. This gives us a nice break, particularly in the middle of what would say is like British summer for a lot of guys in continent with Europe, so downtime and then the back end of our season

is loaded, and that's a that's a good decision. It's kind of like hold on, well, you guys don't want to put on tournaments because all the stars are pretty much in the FedEx. A lot of guys would love a break at this time of year, knowing that we're gonna have a lot of tournaments coming up. That's a win win. That's where you have communication between both parties because you're in it together, and I think sometimes that

needs to be worked on. There needs to be an elment, a trust between both parties or an elment where like, right, guys, we trust them what your ability is to go away and negotiate a good deal which we will have to

ultimately live through. But at the same time, you need to understand that a lot of guys have played out here for a lot of time and I've built up a knowledge of how things work and what suits players best, and how to build a schedule that will help us one play more and be more willing to engage with sponsors, engage with fans, engaged with any of it excitly, because ultimately, you want the best product possible, because if you don't

have a good product, it'll die. So it's a tough, tough bounce and honestly, golfs I letna say it's in turmoil, but it's it's in a place where nobody really knows what's happening at the moment, even the players. I would I would say, and we've got to wait and see how this plays out.

You have the Scottish Open right now. The Irish Open has kind of switched around to different places recently. Now it's in a new spot on the schedule. Do you personally see any possibility of there being like a world tour type links schedule of some kind around the Open Championship or would that just like be too hard to pull off.

this week, or we're playing in Japan. I wonder what Japan is like. You know, I got to go to Japan this year. It's like kind of experience overload, you know, absolutely brilliant place to go to, you know, helps me grow. Sounds funny, but not just a golfer, but as a person. When you go to these places, you know, meeting new people, trying to work, you know, translate seeing seeing new places, experiencing new cultures, understanding the way that other people live

their lives. Those are all really good things for people to do. So on a world tour, I think you would get that. You know, you want the stars playing there, so kids are watching them and being like, right, I want follow this guy, and well, I want for all this guy. I grew up doing that. I was exposed to that, you know, going to the Dunhole Cup every year.

But a lot of countries don't have that, and there's fantastic places to play around the world, and I just feel that it will somehow come to fruition that it will be different parts of the world where it be a European swing, a Middle Eastern swing, an Asian swing. It will always be dominant in America, that will I'm pretty sure that will never change. You have the three majors there and a lot of players make that their home.

So from a travel perspective, that really helps. But I think there will be a big tour, there will be a combination of corn Ferry and a few other tours that come together, and then there will be a clear promotion and relegation from that and maybe what they have, you know, the four tournaments the end of the year where the guys, you know, top twenty five cards are top thirty cards from the bottom switch to the main tour, which is where all the superstars play, and then maybe

the next thirty going play a four tournament playoff and then there's another to any cards up for grabs. Stuff that really like it's great to watch the top players now, really enjoy that, but you also need those stories where you get a guy who is literally he might have a putt to have a full card the next year to play against the top players, and maybe three years ago he was in college or three years ago he was working as a pro shop, and it's like that

is life changing for those guys. You know, Mikey Stewart this year played the Open. You know, I know Mikey, He's worked really hard. He's got some stats on the Challest, but he was he was like in the top ten at the Open. Like that is complete game changer. That's a story that's like what is this guy going through? How much pressure is he under? Like he knows that there's a carrot there at the end of the stick. It's like, if I play really well this week, like

my whole world could change. And I think people like those stories. I think there should be more of those stories. So as much as I want like a world tour and those talk guys, you need that pathway to get guys through and dangle the cana in front of them.

best players in the world. If I know that that tournament is more about qualifying for the next level, I'm interested in watching that tournament. You know, that is compelling to me. But if every tournament is kind of in this little it all zone in between being elite and being a sort of feeder event, then I don't really know how to set my expectations and what to watch for.

But if everything has context, if we have a set of top events and then other events that kind of qualify players for those top events, then that starts to click for me, and that starts to be something that I can really invest in as a fan, just from from my perspective.

world know about. But you alsosly have the playoffs, which is the league below and I actually watch, I actually keep an eye on the playoffs because it's the golden ticket for these clubs to get into that Premier League, to change their lives, to play against it, to play against the best of the best, you know, to go to an old traffers, to go to Stafford Bridge to cheer on your team, you know, and those are huge, huge games and it's sort of but you need the

story behind that, Okay, well where do they come from? What kind of team do they have? You know, It's like if you can bring that story along and build it and tell the fans what's going on, they understand it. It really adds that. I mean, somebody made a good point to me talking about big tournaments and having tournaments around the world, and I said to them, well, okay, I'll give you an example. I said, in tennis, they have the Australian Open, the French Open, Wimbledon, and the

US Open. Now if you took the Stralian Open, the French Open and moved it to America, I said, would that be good for tennis or bad for tennis? And they were like, well, it's good for us. You know, three majors there. And I said, yeah, but is it good for the game? Are good for you? And he's like, well, it's good good for me. I said yeah, but it's about the game. It's about the sport in general. So having huge tournaments around the world will elevate your sport.

I'm in no doubt about that, rather than have it concentrated in one place. And that's easy for me to say because obviously I'm from Scotland. America has team majors. I understand why they have the three majors. I get that, but big, big events around the world, it's better to have that spread around the world and engage with more fans. Engage with people. And I generally think like if you can get the top players to travel, and some of them, to all their credit, they do travel and they do

go away and playing different events. But it does make you better as a person. You're you're more I think you're more patient. I think you're more impatient. Is something that I never really had and sometimes to go with now, but it's helped me, you know, and when you're older. Remember when we went to Japan, Like remember when we went to like we go to Curancerca up the Swiss mountains. Remember when I went to you know, play the French Open.

I went into Versailles to see the palace. It's like, okay, that's that's pretty cool things to do, you know, going you know, going down to South Africa and going to Leopard Creek, you know, going into the Kruger National Park to see all the all the animals. Like golf is really really important, but there's other things on your doorstep when you start traveling and having that experience. So I think it's like it's it's going to be good for the fans, good for the players. It's just working out

how how do you schedule it? And will the sort of centralized nature of golf at the moment expand a little bit more and open up.

same moment that I can be a global superstar. I can I can go out and have fans in China, and that massively expands my business prospects. Right. So, just from the selfish perspective of like how big am I worldwide as opposed to how big am I in just America, you would you would think that this would be appealing to go to other places and to show what you're offering from an entertainment perspective. So yeah, I really hope that some players start to start to see this.

and was completed in nineteen thirteen. And you know, like this is this is all happening. Most of it is happening before the opening of the National Golf Links in America, So this is like early early Golden Age architecture, some of the first, you know, wave of inland golf architecture that was really terrific. I know you've played Walton Heath a number of times. It's the US Open qualifying site,

final qualifying side in the UK. You've played some tournaments there, So maybe just give people a couple of things to look out for at the Women's Open. What's what's special about Walton Heath to you?

is where you're start getting into trouble. Heather everywhere. Heather is everywhere people. If you haven't experienced heather before, it is nasty stuff. So driving the ball, keeping it in play will be really really important. There is a few tilted fairways, so with firm and fast tilted fairways, you've got to be mindful of where you land the ball. The women are obviously experts being accurate off the tee,

but definitely that plays into it. You wouldn't think it, but every time I've played there, the wind plays quite a big part. I've never really played there where it's been flat camp and it's it's heathland. It is surrounded by trees on the on the very very outside of it, but the wind whips across that place and it definitely plays very very tricky. When the wind comes from a

certain direction. You do get a lot crosswinds, which you know you've got to hit it down the side, so you're kind of hitting it at the trouble and trying to fade or draw off that. The greens are relatively flat, they're very very difficult to read because they're very very old greens and they've got lots of little subtle breaks. So I mean, it is a it's a beautiful course to play. Both courses are very very good, really fun.

They have different stretches. Generally the old course tough opening stretch, you know, and then there's a little bit of a respite in the middle where there is some opportunities, and then the end is one of those places where you can really get it going because of a couple of par fives and I would say shorter part fours. But it's really all about position, staying out with staying out the bunkers, because if you're in the bunker, it's kind of like a can be kind of like a links

golf where it's a it's a shot penalty. So position on golf, once you're off the tee, you're fine let's go at it, let's make birdies. But the minute you're at position, it's a struggle because you get jumpers out of the heather, the club, the hedge grabs a club shuts it straight left. So I think they'll see stretches. See stretches for people just go on nice little runs like four birdies and six holes and then suddenly zeven, you know, out of nowhere, which is going to add

a bit to the drama. But a cool golf course that people get to see on TV and always well supported. When we play the US Open qualifare there, people walk with you on the fairway. There's definitely quite a lot of people that come out and watch it, and it's a fun course to play. It's one of those kind of courses where you play it and you come off and you kind of scratch in your head and you're like, I shout seventy three, issue simpy, I want to get back at it tomorrow. I see sixty six, but I

can't get to sixty six. So it's a fun course and definitely something that will show off the skill of the women because there is ground game because they're not flying it all the time and stopping it as quickly that they'll have to see with the land and use the slopes and have that l of actually off the teeth.

Forrest or something like that. And I wish we got to see it more. But this weekend is is going to be a really really good moment to uh to kind of soak that in.

And I think we'll get I think we'll get hooked. It's it's a it's a really cool kind of golf that plays firm and fast, but it's a different experience to Lents golf, but really really fun and like you say, a lot of the courses, a lot of Heathline courses were built at that lovely little stage early in nineteen hundreds where the architecture was just off the scale and just makes again that experience and the enjoyment of the golfer even greater.

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