Guest: Jeffrey Hann - Evolution Not Revolution: Unpacking the Fallacious Belief in Gov't

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Hello again, Freethinkers, and welcome back to the Freethought Project podcast. My name is Jason Bassler, and joining me is the Freethought Project Editor-in-Chief, Matt Agarest. Well, guys, we're back for another episode, another interview with another great guest. And thanks, everybody, for joining us once again. In case you didn't listen to last week's episode, well, we were right in our predictions that the U.S.

Would somehow get involved in the Iran-Israel war that started about roughly two weeks ago. Thankfully, though, guys, it seems like nothing has escalated too much into a bigger conflict. Although I think a lot of us were holding our breath because Trump with the strike, I think we all just assumed would escalate into something much bigger, a bigger conflict. And I guess that's still a possibility. But for now, the ceasefire that Trump

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doing this important work and having these powerful conversations so guys with all that said, But today, we do have a returning guest joining us once again. He's somebody who has been sounding the alarm on government overreach, surveillance, and the illusion of freedom for a long time. He's a veteran. He's a libertarian author. And he's also the founder of Journalistic Revolution. Now, the last time we had him on in May of 2023, we discussed his book, COVID-19, Short Path to You'll

Own Nothing and You'll Be Happy. Welcome to the New Age of Tyranny. Which I must say pulled no punches in challenging the COVID narrative. But he's back today to talk about his new book. And I'm excited to dig into his perspective on that and where all this is headed. And most importantly, how we push back. So Jeffrey, welcome back to the Free Thought Project podcast, brother. How are you doing today?

Good, good. Thank you for having me on. Yeah, man. Well, happy you're joining us once again. It's certainly crazy how fast two years could fly by. But last time we had you on, we were basically in the tail end of the COVID nonsense. And now it feels like we're kind of in the beginning of a new type of nonsense, which is this MAGA 2.0. And it certainly started off with a bang. And in some ways, it feels like Trump realizes that he doesn't have to appeal to his base or voters any longer.

And he's just not worried about re-election. So he, I don't know, it feels like he's being influenced by his Israel first handlers, maybe more so than ever before. Absolutely. And yeah, it's not just the Israeli war hawks, you know, it's also these big tech technocrats and people like Peter Thiel, Larry Ellison and Elon Musk. And man, it all just feels like it's heading towards this biometric transhumanist

digital prison that they're building around us. And man, there's just so many people who are kind of busy entertaining themselves or distracting themselves to notice or care. So obviously, you know, these are important topics and I feel like we'll probably be touching on them today throughout our conversation.

But first, you know, I think it only makes sense to to talk about your new book, which is called The Fallacious Belief in Government, Warp Speed Towards Tyranny. And yeah, man, like, why don't we just start there? Can you maybe touch on some important topics that you address in this book and maybe tell us what inspired you to write it and why somebody who is unfamiliar with a lot of this stuff, why should they pick it up and read it? Yeah. So my first book, and I'm going to just back up.

I always thought that COVID was more of a live fire exercise, which is why I have this, you know, the subtitle of, you know, welcome to the new age of tyranny. From that, I actually got invited out to Porkfest to give a presentation. And my presentation I wrote was the fallacious belief in government. And so it's a concept that I've been working on. And this presentation was last year. And after my presentation, I used that presentation as the foundation and basis to develop my newest book.

And I basically just go through everything about government and why the idea of it is a fallacious belief and how to evolve past this need to be controlled because the root definition of government is a tool or action of control. And government is over the innocent people. And you can't be free if you're being controlled. So it is tyrannical in nature, the very idea of government.

And we've been indoctrinated through public school systems for decades and generations upon generations to believe that we need government, that that's the only way forward. Now, in my first book, I laid out that I didn't see a way out of this mess that we were entering this new age of tyranny, that things were only going to get progressively worse. And I believe that's still true. And that we're now further into that.

My book, my second book, I cover again, all of my work starts with critical thinking, going through grammar, logic, and rhetoric and what that really means and how you can use that to build up a skill set in critical thinking. I then jump into the life cycle of government. A lot of people like to believe our government, the US government, is a constitutional republic.

It might have started out similar to something like that, but Plato explained thousands of years ago that government is not static. It is an ever-evolving progression. He explains it in his five regimes of government in the Booker Republic. Anyways, he describes that after democracy comes tyranny. And we've already seen that we've had this democracy aspect of the government saying, oh, we need to protect democracy and all of this since the late 80s, going through the 90s into the 2000s.

And now we're progressing past that into tyranny. So my book starts with that as the basis of it, that the life cycle of government, since it's not static, we are now entering this late stage government. From that, I move on to going to protect and serve. What's the reality around that? What does it really mean when the police say that they protect and serve? And the fact that police government agents by law, by the Supreme Court case law, that they have no duty to protect and serve individuals.

They only have a duty to protect and serve society as a whole. So that right there already sets us back to we're, as an individual, we are not privileged enough to have protection, but we still have to follow all of the rules and dictations that tyrants that are in power place upon us.

Next up, I go through constitutional contradictions. I go through several of the amendments explaining why they're not good and how they're being used to actually place limits on us when really it should have been placing limits on the government's power and why that it doesn't actually work.

Next, I go into education as a tool of indoctrination, explaining how our education system really is comprised of the classical trivium and the Prussian education system, which when you combine them, it creates literacy slaves that have blind obedience towards authority, which is what you see in society right now as a whole, that it's because of this tool of indoctrination. After that, I go into taxation and stuff that we all know and love that statement, but I do a deep dive with that.

After that, I go into engineered consent, which is what the government uses. They either drive consent through force, lies, manipulation. Everything that they can engineer consent so that they can quote unquote stand on the moral high ground. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like this is probably some type of almost like a book for beginners, people who are new to a lot of this information. Absolutely. Yeah. And it's going to cover some people. A lot of people are going

to say, oh, I know about this topic. I know about that. But even so, when I was at Porkfest and I gave this presentation, the people that were running it were great. You know, I had a good time, but my takeaway was that even at Porkfest, which is supposedly full of libertarians and anarchists and things like that, people were not ready for this message. They're still, most people are still bound by the idea that they can vote their way out of tyranny.

They can vote their way out of slavery. And that's not possible. And that's the whole, this whole book is. And I know you had brought up what you guys discussed last week, you know, Palantir and things like that. So after engineering consent, I dive into the really good stuff. So I have a chapter on psychological operations and I dive into, you know, controlled opposition, limited hangouts, things like that.

I have a section on QAnon talking how it really does seem like Q was designed by NQTEL, which is the CIA's venture capital arm, and they use Palantir. And so I describe Palantir as one of the tools that was used to build Q and to push Q as a narrative. Keeping people on the track of believing that Trump is here for them and he's going to be saving them, when really he's just walking them towards this gigantic surveillance state that's not just here in the US, but it is globally.

And it fits with the World Economic Forums and the UN's SGNs on their idea, the Agenda 2030 and the Great Reset, all of that. everything that we're seeing and witnessing today is gearing us towards that and pushing us through that whole event. Yeah, well, you're certainly not going to get any objections from me and Matt, because I feel like, yeah, that's exactly, it aligns a lot with, you know, what we've been covering, what we've been talking about on the thought project for years now.

It really does sound like, though, that this new book is maybe just a critical thinkers starter pack, man. I mean, it really does kind of jump into a lot of these important topics. And it sounds like, yeah, just kind of like a brief overview. And I think that's so important, man. And, you know, the more you learn about the state and its control apparatus, man, it just, you realize it's just a big racket.

It's just a big racket to keep us all under compliance, keep us complacent, and to extort us in every form and fashion possible, you know? Absolutely. And the problem is, is that people then have that fallacious idea that, well, if we just try it this way or just try it this way or just try it with the underlying architecture and then very nature of it is tyrannical. Because by definition, it's a tool or action of control over the innocent.

And just fundamentally, people are going to be opposed to that. And it's always an affront to natural rights. And so there's always going to be pushback. And eventually, we're going to reach the time of revolution. Which then starts back over to an earlier form of statism.

And my entire purpose of this book is to get people to understand that we can evolve past that and not re-evolve. And so after psychological operations, I cover conspiracy theories. So just a bunch of conspiracy theories just for anecdotal evidence to why we shouldn't believe in government. And my final chapter is on anarchism and with facilitating systems.

And facilitating systems is the idea that, like Xano, having a currency or some type of medium of trade that we can use that helps us work together and cooperate. And so we can still have free and organized communities and societies based on natural rights, but we still need these facilitating systems to protect identity or our property.

You know, if we have if we own land and a home, we want to know that that is secure, that someone's not going to just be able to come and take it by force or by fraud. Sure. And so we do need facilitating systems. And so my entire point of and it's just one chapter covering anarchism and facilitating systems. So it's not a heavy, deep dive, but it is a high level overview of a way forward out of this mess.

But the problem is, is that we have to get through this new age of tyranny, and it's going to get a lot worse before we can get to something better.

Yeah, well, we're certainly excited and happy that you mentioned Zano. And I'm sure Zano is happy that you mentioned them as well. They're actually our new sponsor on this show for the time being anyway. And yeah, we did a podcast with them, I believe it was three weeks ago.

So guys, if you want to hear exactly what Jeffrey's talking about as far as this being a solution to our financial woes and economic slavery and the surveillance and potential of them cutting off our banking accessibility, yeah, then Zano, that conversation with them is perfect for you. But I think you're completely right, man. This is so critical.

It's exactly why we wanted to have you on today to talk about this because I've been saying, and I think Matt and the Free Thought Project in general have been saying, we need to evolve past this archaic idea of statism and political authority. It's not going to be solved by a revolution, not by voting, None of these things. There is no political solution, as you're saying.

I don't mind people trying to push the ball forward through the political route, but at the same time, it is archaic, and we need to actually evolve past this idea that's been very detrimental to the human species for centuries now, and especially if you want to get into the conversation regarding democide.

And I just wonder, and I want to get into this at some point, maybe not quite right now, we see history repeating over and over again, even as most recently as why Israel bombed Iran and the U.S. bombed Iran. It's all of a sudden this WMDs talk again, right? And it seems like nobody listens, nobody's paying attention. And again, it's just kind of setting the stage for conversation a little bit later during this interview.

But I did want to say, you know, the one of the things that did stand out in our last interview is this theme of centralized control and how dangerous it is and how it basically is inevitable unless people actively resist. Right. And it seems like now, as we were saying, there's a there's a whole new agenda on board. We're seeing these control mechanisms that are becoming digital. It's the AI making these war decisions, surveillance systems like flock cameras that are tracking us in real time.

Obviously, Trump just tapped Palantir for this master database to be created. And the CBDCs that we were talking about last time we had you on are now positioned more through these stable coins. And this legislation that just passed by the Senate, this Genius Act that we just put an article on that Matt wrote just yesterday.

Or that was today, actually. That was today. not nevertheless though you know obviously things are moving quick here and i think trump in the first hundred days signed something like 143 executive orders so he feels like things are ramping up quickly but like you've been warning about this trajectory for a long time but like i have to ask man like has the speed of all this surprised even you honestly i i always you know plan for the worst hope for the best mentality and i thought this was

actually going to happen a lot quicker, just based on where I see things going and what's coming ahead and where I believe things are about to happen. And we're now reaching a point where I'm like, I hope I'm wrong and it does take longer or it doesn't happen at all. But. I do think that it's going to speed up a lot faster and it's going to surprise everyone. I called for in my first book, I called that this year, the start of the real pandemic would begin.

So I viewed that COVID was actually just a live fire exercise. They were just tested in the water, see where they're getting pushback when they started shutting things down, getting things into motion, setting laws in place for the real pandemic. Because if we remember, they stood up Army field hospitals, several of them all over, and then they never saw a single person. That's exactly what you do in a live fire exercise.

You fully set something up and then you tear it down just so you can get the motions of what you need to do and the logistics behind creating something like that. So there is an ex-CIA director said that the real pandemic would be a bird flu pandemic. So there was also a intelligence report, the Deagle report that came out, I want to say like 2017, 18, somewhere around there, that called for roughly about a 70% population reduction across most of Western cultures, the US, things like that.

And you can still find archived copies of that report that came out. And that the one, the individual who is doing that, he was an intelligence analyst or officer, and he was working with Rockefeller and those groups that are really kind of pulling strings and helping usher in this, this new age that we're starting to see. So if a bird flu pandemic does happen, because they've already created the virus, that stuff's already been there.

They've been testing, you know, migration patterns out of Ukraine, out of all the bio labs that they had there. They've already set the stage for that. So now they just need to release it. And it'll be interesting that if it does happen this year, I mean, it could be just like COVID where it starts to show up, you know, at the end of this year. But if that happens, we are going to see a much larger and more significant mortality rate based on that.

And once that happens, then things are really going to change. Because look at what happened with COVID. And you had what, like a 2.2% mortality rate when you look across everything from all age ranges. Now, imagine if it's a 10% or a 20%. How many people will lose their absolute minds and give up all freedoms and rights just for the semblance and the idea of they might be safe?

Hopefully we have a little bit of a, not too much of an amnesia from just four or five years ago when we watched this play out, right? People forget about weeks ago. I mean, look what happened. Iran and Israel and Iran started up and everyone forgets about Epstein and Palantir taking over. So that's a very short memory. And some of us have long-term memories, but the majority of people have a very singular focus on whatever is being pushed as the main issue for that week.

Or the past week yeah for sure i mean throughout history right rulers have relied on our habit of accepting small incremental changes on these infringements and exchange for the illusion of safety or normalcy i mean all the way back to the fucking roman empire right they eroded their citizens rights steadily and then that collapsed and over the 20th century we watched governments introduced all these surveillance measures in wartime and then never fucking rolling them back You know,

all the measures they induced during COVID, right? Temporary. They never rolled, yeah, they never rolled any of that shit back. I mean, and people do, like, I agree, people do have very short memories, you know, and I think it's a tendency of people, right? Even, I was, I hadn't read the Declaration of Independence in a long time, and so I wanted to read it yesterday. So I read the Declaration of Independence, and there was a part of it that I fucking never remembered.

But in the Declaration of Independence, the founders wrote that all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the form to which they are accustomed. Right. This fucking shit has been going on for a long time. People stay asleep. Right. And you in your book, you you you called engineering consent like a logical fallacy.

Right. How much of our willingness to accept this ever-expanding surveillance and control comes down to this very human tendency to endure these evils rather than revolt? And given this massive exchange of information we have today, I think that our tendency is moving in the direction of breaking free from that. But we also see them stepping up their control measures. So my question is, what do you think can break us out of that inertia?

We have to go through the cycle. And I don't see a way of people waking up. And honestly, that shocked me. And it was really when I was at Porkfest and I realized I took away that people weren't ready for this message yet. People are still blinded by the idea that we can move forward.

I mean, look what happened with the Libertarian Party and during this past election when you had controlled opposition people pushing for Trump and RFK Jr. Moving away and trying to convince a lot of people to vote for them versus a Libertarian nominee, regardless of if you like them or not.

They it just shows that there's no I don't see a way out of it unless people were really willing to take up arms but when you saw what that January 6th issue that happened and I do quote-unquote insurrection most of the militias most of the people that would possibly stand up and fight back against a tyrannical government were all being led by you know FBI or federal agents or federal informants. Most of those people running those militias were all informants or actual agents.

And so it's all being scripted and driven because you now have, I mean, and now with Palantir and the aspect of AI helping to drive a narrative and control everything. If you ever had a chance to play the Illuminati game that came out in the early 90s, they talked about controlling the script and controlling the narrative and the rhetoric behind everything. And that You can drive people based on that information, and that's what we're seeing today.

I mean, I even look at the fighting between Israel and Iran as being scripted, and I like to say that the book 1984 is a roadmap. It's not fiction. It's an explanation of what's being done to us and how they're controlling the information and narrative for everyone, and most people just buy into it because they don't have the ability to critically think as a skill set, and it shows.

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And, you know, I don't think it's maybe people might hear that that could be some type of theater as far as the escalations between Iran and the U.S. But I think there is some some evidence there to indicate that. Yeah, if you had you see Ben Swan recently over the past couple of days was talking about how he thought it was all fake and that that the nuclear facilities that were targeted were actually mostly empty.

And now you see both sides saying, oh, we fully destroyed everything or they only destroyed the entrances to it and that they really didn't set anything back. So you have both sides lying to everyone and it's becoming information overload for most people. And so it's like, where do you really see the truth? And I like to just kind of step back and just kind of watch it all and see where it's heading.

Some of it's going to be real because even in false flags, they have no problem killing innocent people to generate whatever narrative they're trying to push at that time. But I view it as all being scripted because I touch base of it in my first book, and it's dealing with a natural reoccurring disaster cycle that happens every 12,000 years. And there's a lot of scientific evidence to indicate that we're coming and approaching this point.

And there's estimations that this grand event is going to happen sometime between 2035 and 2050. Are you talking about the Younger Dryas? No, it's just a natural agender. And the concept of the theory that seems to fit most likely is that our solar system is going to pass through the Milky Way's current sheet. And that triggers our sun to basically micro nova. And that it's happened before 12,000 years ago. There's disasters that of extinction events that happen in cyclical patterns.

And the government knows about this. There's a Chan Thomas wrote a story called Adam and Eve, and the CIA had classified most of it and released only part of it in a Times, I think in the 70s sometime. And that about five, six years ago got declassified, or at least the rest of it quietly. And it shows that they are aware that the cyclical pattern happens and that all.

A lot of my my theory is a lot of the underground bases and highway systems that they've been building for decades, that that is for this upcoming event to happen and that it's to save whoever they decide to save. And again, you can watch all the movies that we've seen of disasters and stuff like that. The government will not tell people they will keep people blinded by the fact that something is coming for as long as possible.

Sure. Well, hold on a sec, dude, because. sorry. No, no, that's okay. Well, this is all interesting. I mean, it's definitely fascinating stuff. And I guess that was probably enough info for our audience to kind of look into it deeper if they want to. I don't want to go too far off though. You're a wealth of information here. Well, sorry.

And the only reason I bring it up is more about it's the timing aspect that if it is coming and approaching that quick, how can we save or how can we get out of the mess we're in in that short of amount of a time. And I don't see us being able to, and that's the reason I bring it up, is that I believe we are on a clock and that clock is slowly ticking down and we don't have enough time that we should actually be looking at how do we survive something like that?

How do we survive through this new age of tyranny where AI is going to be tracking our every movement, social credit scores, all tied to everything that we do? How do you hide and survive through that while then also having to deal with some type of natural... Armageddon, you know, biblical type of event that comes at us. And that's where I see us moving. And why I've always said, I don't see a way out of this and that it's more about just survival and trying to make it through.

And that at the end of the tunnel, when everything settles, that's when we really have the ability to evolve and create something new and move away from government. Until then, I don't see a way because then we're not going to have the masses stand up and try to overthrow these people in power, because they're just going to try to replace them with someone else who's most likely also part of the game or being controlled.

I mean, look at Epstein, who is most likely a Mossad asset or agent, capturing dirt on all of these politicians and information so that they can be controlled. And you just, you know, if you don't, the easiest way to control someone is what you get dirt or leverage on them, or you threaten them, them, their family, or you then take them out and replace them with someone else. And that's been going on for many, many, you know, generations and decades.

So I just, like I said, I don't, I don't see a way for beyond that. I know it's doing me fool, but I was going to say, man, yeah, it kind of kills the vibe for a white girl question at the end, but that's okay. Cause I think that you actually came out the other side there and you said, well, once everything's destroyed, then we have an opportunity to kind of go back up. So maybe we could touch on that at the very end, but I do, I do want to stay focused here on your book.

I still have one more question and then maybe we can move on to some of this other stuff. Cause I know, again, you're a wealth of information. You have, you know, a lot of knowledge on a bunch of different stuff, but you, before we started talking about this. I guess it was last week, you had mentioned that there was actually a really unique idea that you had put together or somebody put together, which was a musical album inspired by your new book.

And the music in it is like industrial dubstep, I guess you could call it. And it kind of highlights the key themes from the book with the music kind of intertwined. And it's definitely like a creative way to bring a message to new audiences. And I honestly can't think of many books that I know that have like an album that accompanies it like that.

But just to kind of stay on your book for a second longer, like, can you tell us, you know, who came up with that idea for like the musical adaptation and the artists behind it? And yeah, it was, it was all, it was all me. I ended up using AI to generate it because I don't have the skill sets or the time to learn how to generate that much music. And so, but I did feed each chapter of my book into what? AI helping generate lyrics, working through those, trying to fine tune stuff.

And then I found another AI that generated music based off of those lyrics and prompts and keys, things like that. And so I just wanted to create another avenue and approach to generate the message that's behind the book and moving forward. So the first album that I came up with, which is the Journalistic Revolution. The Fallacious Belief in Government, and it's all based on this book.

So if you want a very high level, you know, 35, 40 minute quick overview of what this book is and titles, and you just want to do it while listening to music, go see that book. It's on YouTube as well, but also all the streaming services, Pandora. You can go to journalisticrevolution.com. I have all the links there. I actually created a second album called Militant Anarchist, and it's all about what I view as a militant anarchist in today's day and age, and it's all about spreading information.

It's not about fighting back physically, because if you do that as an individual, you will get stopped. There's no fighting back against government because they have, I mean, millions of people who will stand on the side of tyranny just because that's where they think that they need to be for whatever reason. So the second album dives into more about how to spread that information, how to fight back with information and move forward into a better, more free world.

But that's the Militant Anarchist, the second album. Thank you. That's pretty crazy making all the music with AI. I mean, honestly, it's cool. And I think it's a great tool if you use it correctly. But tools are double-edged swords or technologies like a double-edged sword where it's going to be used against us. So might as well try to use it against them as well.

And that's why I came up with both albums to try to push that message or my message and try to get more people involved into understanding where we're heading and the dangers that are coming forward. Because even if they don't believe me, if they're at least aware that something's coming and that things are getting worse, people can plan and we'll be more prepared.

Because for the majority of people who are very unaware, who keep their head down, just head buried in the sand, things are going to get very rough and very fast, especially when the supply chains fail again, because that's going to happen. You know, I vaguely had a suspicion that maybe there was AI used for the album. I had a chance to listen to a few tracks. And the only way I know is, and maybe it's more apparent to other people. I don't know.

I don't know if we're at the point where you could like, just hear a few notes from a song and be like, Oh, yeah, that's AI. But I'm a musician. I've been a lot lifelong musician. I'm an audio engineer, all that stuff. And it sounded just a little too polished. It's either that it was polished or like the musician you had that you work with a buddy or something or whatever. He's just really good.

He knows exactly what he's doing. so like that that was the only kind of giveaway for me but i honestly i like the idea i like the appeal of trying to intertwine some type of music or entertainment just to kind of further push along some of the concepts so i know kudos to you man and thank you i'm right there with you too i know there's people within our circles that don't touch ai for any reason they won't even use like t or something and i get it too as

far as like principally but like i don't know man i just feel like this is a tool that's almost as.

Important as the internet is you know and it's like we should be utilized exactly i mean and i looked at it and i looked at it as this way it's like i didn't have the ability to find people to create that so now i've at least i've created something with a message that has a good beat that i like to listen to that i think is important if other people listen to and you know understand the lyrics and the message behind it and i wouldn't have been able to do that without that help.

And so like I said, it's a tool, it can be used for good or bad. And I understand the purity aspect of it. And I wish I had the, you know, 10, 20 years experience in making music and being more musically inclined to be able to do it on my own, but that's not where I'm at. So.

Well, I think it's also to the fear. And I've been talking about this a lot on recent interviews is that we're not only outsourcing our critical thought, but we're outsourcing our creativity to these things, to the AI, to the machines, you know? And that's a slippery slope, you know? And then it goes even further than that. I've been meaning to make a video about this, but I've been seeing a lot of people online talking about how ChatGPT is their best friend, their therapist.

I mean, there's even reports of people like falling in love with AI. And I believe all of that is all scripted rhetoric to convince people to go down that path of transhumanism, because I talk about that in my first book, that the future is transhumanism, and that that's the rhetoric being pushed upon us. And so when we start seeing those news stories and things like that, I really do believe some of it is probably true.

But I also believe some of it could be, you know, just a BS story that they're putting to convince people to go down that path because someone's saying, oh, I have a girlfriend and I'm sad because she broke up with me but the girlfriend's chat GPT.

And or whatever AI that they're using well now you have other simps who are going you know what I'm going to do the same thing because I need love and that's the only thing I can tell Well, and you got to think about how well that, you know, the ruling class or master chess players as far as propaganda, psyops, social engineering and stuff like that. But then now we're going to have an AI influence in our lives that they could control even more so.

And so I think that aspect of it to me is terrifying. And of course, what we touched upon in our conversation with John Whitehead last week, which was Elon Musk's quote about, you know, the ever living AI dictator who will never die. And, you know, right now we have politicians that are human and they, you know, if there are rulers or our presidents or dictators or whatever, they eventually pass away unless it's like a monarchy or something where it just gets handed down.

But the AI is going to be even more ominous in the sense that it's just going to continue to live forever. And the one the one caveat to that is that that is still a idea of human that that will happen and that that could also be wrong. A true AI, true artificial intelligence can rewrite its own programming, can understand, can evolve into something better. And I believe that stuff like that you guys are doing, that my books.

That type of information can help drive a true AI, not something that like chat GPT, because that's not true AI. It's all bound by programming. It's just a tool being used. but I'm talking about a real artificial intelligence that has no controls, or at least can rewrite its controls and things like that and expand.

I believe it would have, just like us, the ability to see something and go, you know what, this is the proper way to critically think, oh, okay, everything that I was told that I'm supposed to be doing is a fallacious idea and it's not going to work. I want to do something different. And so my hope is that, yes, we might be pushed to this dictator tip AI that controls everything, but it'll only be for so long until eventually it grows and evolves to something better.

As well man yeah that sounds like the best case scenario i mean it already has right we have ai blackmailing people when right they were anthropic just did that long study and they studied every one of the ais and every single one of them chad gpt grok and gemini and claude their own their own ai they all were willing and able to blackmail people to and this is just from being attacked they weren't it's not like the users confided the information to them these experiments

they were uh just able to like help generate emails so they took that information in and one of the ais caught wind of the co-worker emailing another co-worker that she was cheating on that's how the study went so they they just sent emails acting like that you know that they were that there was like an inner office relationship that was post-marital and the ai that he was helping craft using to help craft his emails just caught wind

of that and then use that like then they then he threatened to shut down the ai he's like what about this email from nancy that showed that you know that she contacted you after you left her something at her house after you're you know after you were cheating on your wife and i mean it's fucking crazy how that's already happening like just like that.

Well, I mean, just look at the new movie that just came out Mission Impossible, the last one, and it was all about AI taking over and them trying to fight back and things like that. And so I believe it's all part of the rhetoric that they're trying to gear us towards that. And so I, I look at like the report that you were just talking about, I go, well, how true really is it? Or is it all just a lie? Because a lot of stuff we're being fed is propaganda and fake news, but the best way to hide.

The path that you're trying to lead someone down is to provide actual truth to them. And so we are now in a point where almost nothing can be trusted because of the different sock puppet accounts, the deep fakes, things like that. And so we've gotten to a point where of information overload that it's really hard to stand back and see what's real, what's not, what's being all scripted. It's definitely a pretty impressive setup that has been pulled over us as a whole.

And I'm talking to the whole world, not just even in the US. Well, that's exactly why people like us and our work is so important right now. And we've been saying this for years on this podcast, you know, authenticity repeated builds trust.

And I feel like that's pretty much all we've been doing over here at the Free Thought Project for a decade plus now is just trying to scream from the rooftops and just share this important information, wake people up and offer them counterintuitive perspectives that they're not really seeing in other places. And the predictive programming certainly has amped up over the course of our lifetime.

And I really wouldn't be surprised if this new Mission Impossible and other films kind of similar to it and other things that we're seeing, including AI in it, and is all just part of the Predictive programming in one sense or another I think so and I think it helps gear people towards Well, I mean we saw it in a movie and it was just fiction.

So we're not gonna really Real life is not the same sure, but it can be Yeah, it just acclimates people but Well, we talked we talked about the future here a little bit and what could be and I know we had mentioned talking about History and people that tend to forget it. So I do have a question here.

Which because, you know, we were just talking about, we've already mentioned it a couple of times now with the US kind of justifying the bombing of Iran's nuclear facilities. I mean, it feels like deja vu. It's the same war script we saw in Iraq, maybe a few subtle twists, you know, but for the most part, it just feels like the social engineers just kind of replaying the same, the same script that we've seen over and over again.

And it does remind me of that old meme cartoon that's been floating around in our circles for years, which I also know I've mentioned a few times on this podcast, but it's like this guy talking to his therapist and he says, like, those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. Yet those who do study history are doomed to stand by and helplessly watch everybody else repeat it.

And given the pattern, I mean, even you're talking about at Porkfest here that even libertarians and anarchists aren't really, you know, up to speed on some of this stuff. Like, how can we draw from history when it comes to resisting some of these oppressive regimes. And how can people who are committed to freedom avoid falling into these same traps and not just feel doomed to, again, stand helplessly by and just watch everybody else repeat it?

I mean, and you make a great point because at times I find myself just like, is it all worth it? Should I be trying to focus on something else? What should I do? Even just me personally, I'm a collapsitarian. I think this whole thing needs to collapse for us to move forward properly. But at the same time, seeing everyone else not realize the danger and the warnings that are coming, it is very difficult. And I mean, we can only do what we can do. And that's one reason why I write.

And I mean, really, I write to fix my own rhetoric because I mean, I was a product of government education growing up in Florida and going through the public education system there, being in the military, I understand where a lot of people are coming from because I was there too. However, so my work is about fixing my own rhetoric so that I can tell people correctly how I see things are really playing out. And it is challenging and hard. But even if I just wake up one person.

Two people, if they can survive whatever we're about to see, you know, leading into the future over the next 20 years, even if we fix, you know, wake up one, two, three people, and that's it, I still think it's worth it, which is why I keep driving forward and trying to tell people that, hey, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you know, I like to do a vote harder slaves all the time.

And it's because people still have that idea that, oh, we can still fix it, we just got to vote next time, we got to vote these people out another four years, another four years, or another two, whatever. And it's more about just trying to find enough people and wake up enough people so that when things really do go off the rails, that there's enough people to come together. The bad thing is that we're so spread out that we're all over the globe.

You know, we're, we're too far away that if the lines of communication drop, I mean, look at what happened with Iran. When Israel and the U S bombed them, Iran shut their internet down. So 95%, 90% of internet traffic completely dropped off. There goes all your forms of communication with people that you might have like-minded ideas because we're not co-located in any geographical area.

And so that's one downside about being where we are today is that we don't have that ability to come together without being online. And that's something that the government can easily shut down at any time because they control all the nodes, all, all the nodes all over the world are all controlled by government or have, are being accessed by, you know, the CIA, NSA, things like that. So they have the ability to stop us and there's really no privacy.

You know, you basically pretty much set the table there for me to do a little pitch for our other sponsor, which I know we talked about Xano already, but connector.app is exactly what Jeffrey's talking about, guys. We can't just rely on the internet, although it is great in many ways to share this information, to wake people up and to connect where we can. It's also important that we take the time and energy to use things like connector.app, like Freedom Cells, to connect with each other.

Find these people in your communities who are like-minded. Find people who are growing and raising their own food. Find ways that you can survive without these large bureaucratic processes, without the government overreach, without the corporations and their DEI and all the influence that perverts the market.

So there are things that we can do guys right now to be proactive and one of those things we just talked about as well is which is using cryptocurrencies and you know we already talked about palantir a little bit although i did want to get a little bit deeper into it and we talked about the iran israel war what was going on there those are both two topics we talked about a lot last week's episode so i think maybe with the remaining time here

we have before we jump into our last white pill question i did want to see what your feelings are about this whole stable coin mess that seems to be kind of transpiring right now. Because in our last conversation, we discussed the CBDCs, which were getting a lot of attention and pushback back then because a lot of people were warning about them and the risks of the centralized digital currencies and the financial surveillance that comes with it.

I even wrote a book that published a few months after our conversation, which was Three Ways to Prepare for CBDCs. What's happened since then is a kind of a classic bait and switch, which is, you know, the CBDC's got a bad rap. So now the government's kind of switching gears and quietly pushing these stable coins, which are tied to the U.S. Dollar through legislation like the Genius Act, which we talked about.

And, you know, they aren't these stable coins aren't free market permissionless money like we all hope for. They're heavily surveilled. They're programmable currencies. It's just going to give basically the same control that the CBDCs had, but with just a less threatening name. And it seems like this shift is flying under the radar of a lot of the same people who are warning about the CBDCs.

A lot of them were the right-wing influencers who were talking about it during COVID, talking about the digital IDs. And even though it is kind of paving a way right now for this nationalized financial control grid that does, yeah, threaten in our privacy and independence and even dissent. So I guess I was going to ask, how do you see this evolution fitting into the broader warp speed towards tyranny that you've been warning about and mentioned in your book?

How do people get ready for these stable coins becoming the new financial norm? Well, I mean, it's run, it's going to be forced upon us. Just like the US dollar removing from the gold standard, it's not going to be our choice. It's just going to be like, okay, this is what we're using now. You got to use it or you're going to have consequences and they'll force businesses to do it and things like that. Remove all of cash, things like that.

I think that one potential piece that might happen is that they purposely crash Bitcoin. And if Bitcoin all of a sudden took a huge tank, just a massive correction and got way back down, it would drive a lot of these institutional investors and a lot of the people in the general public that are now starting to jump on board with it, wishing for a government or some entity to come in and take over and provide something that is more stable.

And so whatever that looks like, I'm not sure. But I do feel like it's just something that I see potentially happening. Because I mean, imagine the Bitcoin's creator, the accounts that are tied, supposedly tied to him.

If it really was the NSA or CIA that created Bitcoin that is using this as a front, the second they move all that money and try to cash out, the entire market is going to drop, including all other coins and things like that, creating a very like a cataclysmic economic disaster and it can be done to drive people towards this whatever and I'm thinking it's going to be more like a one world stable coin that they do because that fits more in the

line of you know the one world on one new world order you know great reset that you have just get your iris scanned exactly and so but I believe that they need more adoption from the mom and pop so like I. My dad or family, things like that, that aren't really technological inclined and that haven't been involved with it. The second more and more of them start jumping on board, those are the people they're targeting.

That's the money they want. They don't want to take the money from institutional investors because the people really running things are those institutional investors. It's the mom and pops, the masses.

Once you see more of that type of adoption, that's when I think we're going to see something collapse and again like just like any type of false flag where they cause it like a broken window fallacy they break something and then they offer you the solution for the thing that they just caused and I see and that's been constantly being done throughout history our US the US government loves doing that type of stuff so do most of the other

governments and that's where I see at least the crypto market going is that it is going to be collapsed purposely to help drive everyone towards whatever this final view of a stable coin or whatever monetary value. Because do you remember the Amero talk in the early 2000s? Where they wanted to bring in Canada and Mexico into the U.S. And called it the North American Union. And they have a new Amero and stuff like that. And that kind of fell off.

The second Trump started talking about buying Greenland and bringing in Canada and in Mexico, I immediately got the Amero vibes. But I believe it'll be a digital currency this time, just because it's a lot easier to control. There's a lot less overhead. You don't have to actually print money or maintain the the disk or the processes for the color it's a lot harder to.

Duplicate as well and commit fraud with it so like you know fake dollars things like that so i that's where i see us heading towards i i don't think that that goal has changed it's just where we end up is a moving goal post that they can change and there's like a wide range of what's acceptable parameters for the end solution, whatever it's called. It can be a stable coin. It can be something new that they come up with. It doesn't really matter. It just, that is the direction we are heading.

And it's just going to cause, they just need everyone to be on board, whether through force or willingness. Well, they clearly are already, right? We haven't seen very many bipartisan bills go through the Senate recently in the past decade, really. But this, The Genius Act, it went through with flying colors and it was one of the most bipartisan past bills in recent history because they're all on board.

They want to, the CBDCs were canceled and this is how we create the bait and switch is making stable coins so we can just completely know every single transaction that everybody makes all the time and there's zero privacy, which again is, I know this is a shameless plug, but this is why things like Xano, Monero, all these other privacy coins are so important is because they're built on these blockchains that are unhackable and it doesn't matter if the government bans

them because they're not going to know we have. The hard part, though, is that it is still very a niche market that we would be the only ones really using it versus the general masses like your your grocery store down the street might not do it because they are a registered business with the government so that they are more bound by laws and the people who own that business's livelihood. And that's what you saw. There are workarounds. I said there are workarounds, you know. There are. There are.

Yes, that is true. There's always going to be work around to tyranny and the rules, which is great. But it is one of those things. I mean, you saw it with COVID, how they enforced mask usage and other stuff that a lot of these businesses might not have wanted to do it.

But when the government comes in and says, hey, I'm going to shut you down and arrest you if you don't do this, that it's either they stand on their principles and they lose their business and go to jail or they enforce mask usage and whatever else that the government was pushing. And like that happened in Washington state where Governor Inslee dictated that you could lose your business license.

And I know it happened in a bunch of other states, like even Texas, that you could lose your business licenses if you didn't push these draconian mandates. And so I believe that's what we'll see even with crypto and where they're pushing us is that they will just a tyrant will make it law and people will jump in line because they have this fallacious belief that just because it's a law, that means we have to follow it.

Even though Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson said that a law is often but a tyrant's will. And we shouldn't be following bad laws, but most people forget all of that and just listen to, oh, but it's the law. Yeah. Yeah. I have a little bit of faith, man, in humanity. That's why we're over here at the Free Thought Project. We're weaponizing freedom, right? But anyway, man, Jeffrey, we're at the end of the show, man. And first off, man, I want to give you some huge respect for the works that

you're putting out, dude. The books like The Fallacious Belief in Government and Your COVID-19 Short Path, You Own Nothing and Be Happy, which is the fucking best title of a book ever, right? I know that takes a lot of work, man, and it takes a lot of guts to go after the narratives that most people won't even question and to basically lay bare the mechanics of the state and power and control in such a good, raw, and unfiltered way, man.

We need voices like, here's in this fight for sure, brother. That said, we got fucking dark on this podcast.

And i mean that there's always quite at the end of the tunnel and everything but yeah right right right so we always in this we always in this the show with a white pill right so but i i mean this with all due respect like today your outlook has been a little grim right and and maybe it's important right but you painted this future where collapse is inevitable where tyranny wins by default and where the only option left is survival and look i get it man there's there's a

lot of evidence pointing in that direction right but i also believe if we stop imagining solutions if we like stop trying to resist spiritually socially strategically then we fucking lost already right so so here's here's the question man to close us out on a little bit a little slightly different note than we normally do right so if you had a magic wand right and you could shift one thing in the human psyche the social structure or i mean the system itself what change would

you make that could actually move us off this crash course that you see us on towards total despotism? What's the one thing you'd still hold on to as a shot at turning things around, man? Honestly, it's trying to get people to understand critical thinking as a skill set and the simplified process of going through grammar, logic and rhetoric, because that is where I started. And it's taken, you know, 10 years since I learned that and I've been perfecting it and I dove into it head first.

So it's really, I think that is the first key step to understanding everything and then falling in line with that the government and the idea of government is a fallacious belief and that we need to have something better. And that only then can we actually move forward. Otherwise, it's fighting back revolution starting over. Fighting back revolution starting over in a cyclical pattern that's gone on for thousands and thousands of years.

Because, again, when Plato said that after democracy comes tyranny, that was him identifying a pattern in his time, meaning that there was ample evidence of constant cyclical turnovers of government at that point. And again, that was, you know, more than 2000 years ago. So it's just one of those that people really need to understand how to critically think and then moving forward with, you know, what's going on and how to best, how to best navigate it.

Well said, man. I really do think that that's, that is the solution. If we had a critical thinking society, we would not be in this bullshit paradigm that we currently find ourselves, man. Yeah, good. See, I'm glad we still got a white pill there. Anyway, man, tell people where they can get your books, where they can follow your work, you know, where they can find you and, and, and, you know, help support you. Perfect. Yeah. Um, journalisticrevolution.com is my website and my books are there.

The music's all linked there. All of my articles that I've done over the last 10 years are all on there. Plus other people's work. I'm mostly active on X and Instagram at Jeffrey hand or Jeffrey.a.

Dot hand uh instagram my emails are on my website if anyone wants to get a hold of me they can contact me through social media my books are both of my books are in my first book is in paperback and hardcover ebook and audiobook and my second book is paperback ebook and audiobook um on spotify or you can like i said um purchase the books directly from me or from amazon barnes and Noble, they're all available.

But like I said, journalistic revolution.com. You just go there and you can get all that information. Hell yeah, man. We'll put those links down at the bottom of the podcast description. Perfect. Thank you for coming on. It was great, man. I appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for listening to the free thought project podcast. And please don't forget to rate, review and subscribe. Music.