Episode 99: Flat Earth Conversation with Jessica from Idaho

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place content twenty four seven and much to do. Stop by and say hello. It is the flat earth Files dot com. Without any further ado, we're going to bring on our special guest today. Her name is Jessica. She's currently in the Idaho area and Jessica, thank you so much for joining us today. We grew appreciate it. Hi, George, I am beyond excited to be here today. I told all two of my flatterth friends to tune in tonight. Well I'll bet you that's two more than a lot of

people have, because they are swim pickins, you know. Be besides my wife here, locally, there's not you know, I have one relative that's kind of there, and I kind of take when somebody says they're kind of there. They really are there. They're just they don't want to publicly say it because of the stigma, right right, exactly. Yeah, so let's start, go ahead and tell the listeners a little bit about yourself. Okay, So my name is Jessica. I live in Idaho. I'm forty four,

and I'll let's stay I've been happily married for twenty one years. I have two amazing kids. I have a fourteen year old son and an eleven year old daughter, fantastic musicians and athletes. I'm originally from Writing, California, but I've lived all over the the US and I think I've led a pretty interesting life in my last forty four years. And I think a lot of that has led me up to the great awakening of flat Earth and all

the excitement and wonder that it brings with it. So yeah, and from your email, you certainly have had a lot of interesting even moments in your life. You started singing opera when you were nine years old. That is

quite the talent. But then, did you want to talk a little bit about the what you were, what you experienced at the age of seventeen when you moved to La Well, I never actually got a chance to move to LA I had an opportunity to go to la to work on a project for Disney with Steven Spielberg, and I was still technically a minor, so my mom definitely had a say and whether I could go or not, and she didn't want me to go, that's right, And I was furious that I

couldn't go, Like, this is my big break. You're ruining this for me, you know, I've been working so hard for this, and knowing now all of the horrificness of Hollywood and the music industry. I am so thankful that I didn't go, because I don't know where I'd be today if I had taken that opportunity. And she had said, yes, you know, and that's what I was going to say at the time as a seventeen year old, who most of us when we're seventeen are all about the world

and music and you know, the movies, that type of thing. We would just been furious locks, you know, closed the door in or bedrooms and not spoken to anybody for a few days. But in retrospect, like what we all know is truth, there's what really goes on in Hollywood. What a great move that was. Yeah, yeah, exactly so. And I do absolutely have a family friend who is an actor. He's a pretty famous actor. My dad and his dad worked in nuclear power together, so

him and I grew up as kids, and he's pretty famous now. And I don't communicate with him a whole lot, and I don't want to just come out and ask him and be like, hey, what is the deal? Is it really like this, like what's going on? You know, coming from a Christian home, what is your thoughts? And you know, if I give read chest ask him, I'm definitely going to talk to him about that, if I can get up the nerve to go down that rabbit

hole with him, you know, and not be weird. So so let's talk a little bit about your journey to the truth, if I'm not overstepping too much events in your journey. But like many people, flat earth was one of the later rabbit holes that you would come about. So tell us a little bit about your journey to the truth. What was kind of the first rabbit hole you went down, and what led you to flat Earth? So let's see. I I always felt like, well, I guess they

should start from the beginning. Let's just start from them sinning. So my dad worked in nuclear power and he was a welder nuclear power plants. And we lived all over the US, and we lived in Salt Lake City, and I was a small child, almost four years old, and I was kidnapped from a by a Mormon bishop's son out of my front yard. And while IDA was and this all ties into the discovery flat Earth, I promise.

But while I was taken, I was in the back of his car and I saw an angel, an angel like being in the back of the car with me. And when I had discovered flat birth and what the stars actually looked like when you're looking at them through a telescope, I was blown away because that's the only way I could describe what I saw as a child in the backseat of this predator's car, and there was no other way to describe it all these years, my whole life. I'm like, I saw

this thing, and I just don't know how to describe it. And then when I saw the close up of the stars underneath, looked like it's, you know, this prism shining through water. That is exactly what I've seen in my head my entire life since that incident. So it was pretty easy for me to accept what I was seeing and what I was hearing was the

truth because it finally a lot of things finally made sense to me. And so so, yeah, so I was I was taken, and they have found me within forty eight hours later, left alone in a construction site kind of near our neighborhood. And you know, because of that, they always felt a little different, you know, being exposed to such evil. I just felt like I could sense evil more in people, I think than the

average person who hasn't been so exposed to it like I was. So I always felt a little, you know, a little different in that way. So it really wasn't a surprise to me when you know, I was awaken to the truth of flat Earth, and I'm like, oh, okay, yes, this completely makes sense. I don't know how, I don't know

why it all ties in together, but somehow it just miraculously does. And they think that the people that have gone through a lot of things in their life, you know, they're made tough, and so awakening to all this was just a really easy thing for me to grasp the concept of I I remember because, like I said, my dad worked in nuclear power and he became very sick from an overdose of gamma radiation. And so I dedicated about three and a half years in my life, my adult life, to researching

the effects of nuclear radiation on the human body. And I was watching this news story Gosh twenty fifteen, and they were talking about the Van Allen radiation belts and talking about how like the astronauts when they went through the Van Allen radiation belts, and I'm like, wait a minute, you can't go through radiation like that. Like I know this, I've been setting this like three

and a half years. That's not possible to get tin can and tinfoidled through the Van Allen radiation belts, right, that doesn't make any sense, and so I just kind of started questioning stuff at that point in time too. I was like, how you know so? And then I had a cousin that came over to my house and he's like, you know, Michelle Obama is actually a dude and Sandy Hook was all a hoax, Like you are crazy, and he's like, no, I'm serious, look into this.

So I just kind of started going down that rabbit Holy gosh, that was around twenty twelve. That was oh well, yes, Sandy Hook, what's twenty twelve, So yeah, yeah, that's yeah, sure, and yeah, so I started going down that rabbit hole and started watching a documentary and I was like, holy cow, he's right, it was all a hoax. So then you know, you start putting all this stuff together and you're like, Okay, if they can lie about that, what else are they

gonna lie about? Right? Yeah? So but uh yeah, So it was that kind of started the whole like conspiracy theory. I think situation with me was the was the hint Sandy Hook. Once I realized that that was all made up and to promote gun control and everything else, then I was like, okay, you know, there's all kinds of stuff out there that we're being lied to about, for sure. Yeah, it's interesting. Everybody has their their different kind of first rabbit hole years was a big one.

For me, it was nine to eleven, And that is a secondary type of reaction, is once you realized that now nine to eleven wasn't a hoax, but it was a lie, right, it was not how it was portrayed to the American public. And when you find that out, then that's the secondary reaction as well. Like you said, if they can lie about this, what else are they lying about? So you're more open to critical thinking and you're able to peel back that first layer of the other of the

onion. And then for a lot of people, that's after a couple of rabbit holes and realizing this is a lie, this is a lie. I think people are will let their guard down just enough to peek and to flatter it. And honestly, it does it take that long to see some of the fallacies of heliocentrism. And within a couple of days for me, I knew that the ball was a lie. It just took me a couple of

weeks to process. You know, almost fifty years of lies, because that is it's a lot to swallow, it is, and a lot of things just didn't make sense. I said. I took a trip to when I was seventeen. I took a trip to the Faroe Islands, which is this

little country in the middle of the ocean between Iceland and Denmark. And we were flying at my friend and I were flying out of San Francisco, and this was back in ninety seven before we had online you know, airline bookings, right, so that the travel agency and she was showing us on the globe on her desk, like where how we would fly to Amsterdam? When I saw, well, that doesn't make any sense. Why don't we just go this way? You go straight across, right, And she's like,

well, you just can't go that way. That's the way they do it, I said, but this way would be a lot shorter if we just flew this way. And well, I don't make the flights, I just I just book them. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah, whatever, I don't think. You know, you just trust it because it's there and they say it, you know, that's right. But that always bothered me. I'm like, I just don't understand why wouldn't go the other way. It would have been half the time if we just would have went the

other direction. But now we know we can't go the other traction. That's right. And I had the same thoughts every time we flew to the Middle East, because they had the little map that you could you know, they showed the plane where you were like, why are we flying up and around instead of going straight across? But like everything else, you just accept it, right, And just just like the travel agent, she's like, that's just the way they go. They don't even that really speaks to how deep

the programming goes. It should be a just like a stop, yeah, why you know, why does it do that? And start asking questions instead. That's just the way we do it, like a robot, right, That's exactly right, just absolutely robot, just just brainwashed into thinking one way

and and never asking questions. But I've always asked questions though. And I I remember, uh in the eighties when the AIDS thing was a big deal, and my my family and I were going to the public pool and you know, AIDS AIDS was all it was all over the news, right, and and so I asked my dad on the way to the public pool. I said, hey, Dad, if someone like peas or has you know, like a cut or something and bleeds in the pool, like, can

we get AIDS while we're in there. Yeah. He's like, well no, because the chemicals in the pool, will you know, cancel out the AIDS and kill it. And I said, well, then why don't we just use those chemicals to kill AIDS in our body. We're already drinking the pool water. Anyway, He's like, I don't know. They was like that was another all these things. Yeah, I was just gonna say that was another huge SI up, just the way that they aimed the hate at

the Muslim community after nine to eleven people. I was, you know, during the eighties, I was in my teen years, so I remember vividly, like myself walking into a public restroom and like, should I even sit on this toilet because I could get AIDS? And then when literally that's the propaganda they were pushing. And then when Princess Diana shook the hand of an AIDS patient, it was like it led the news that night, breaking news, Princess Diana shook the hand of an AIDS patient. Oh my gosh.

And then of course that the evil of AZT then itself, it's is its own rabbit hole. Oh yeah, it's and and there's so much there's so much to go down and so much to discover. It's just it's just endless. I I started off watching The Fall of the Caball because of course I was really into the Q thing because I was looking for some sort of hope.

I call it hopium now because that's all it is, but indeed, I was looking for some sort of hope to to be like, hey, everything's gonna be okay, our country isn't going to fall apart, and you know, so uh. Friends sent me a link to a video and it was, you know, the the QUE stuff, and that's how I got started into all that. So I watched my husband and I watched the full Fall of the Caball series, and it was very eye opening to the evil

that's out there. I don't believe that the it would be great is the Q thing was was legit, but I don't feel like it is so I don't really I don't follow any of that anymore. But it did really open to my eyes to see that there is so much more out there, ye, so much more evil. We are. We are living in such a sick, evil world and people are just blindly walking through their life day by

day without even realizing what's right in front of them, you know. Yeah, And I will always give credit to that because a lot of these things like Fall the Cabal, I think they I don't know if they actually came out at that time, but they were making the circulations like in the spring of twenty twenty. And for folks who hasn't seen Fall the Cabal, I'll put a note here. I'll put it in the in the show description, it's like, what is it like a twelve or thirteen part series with a

It's like a woman from like Netherlands. She's got a accent. It's us. I think it was really well done. If anything, like you said, it did make people question the official narrative and it got them, you know, going down the rabbit holes. They're also another one, and if I can remember it, it was a Hollywood stuntman and he released a documentary and I'll have to I'll have to do a search, but he really exposes Hollywood. But the other thing he really did was he exposed the media how

it's controlled. He was the guy that put together like all the local news from around the country, and they were saying the exact same they were repeating the sex the exact same script. So that really opened my eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I've seen that before everything to think. Out of Shadows. Yeah, Brad Marton, out of Shadows, Sorry about that? Oh okay, yeah, no that yeah, that's good to know. I don't I remember seeing the clip. I don't think I've seen

any more of that particular. Did you say it was a documentary? He produced it. He was an ex stuntman. He walked away because he kind of saw some of the evil. I don't remember which mean. I mean, this guy was a stuntman and like the Batman movie, the twenty twelve. He was in some big, big movies and he walked away and he did a documentaries. It's called Out of Shadows, and I'll find it and

I'll put the link in there. And the two things I remember most was just, you know, really how bad Hollywood was, how evil it was, and then how controlled the news is. It's just a script. It's people showing upbrading a script and everyone just trust with the guy on the on. Then you know, in front of the camera says yeah, yeah, and they know it and they're they're keeping control. But thank goodness for things like you know, TikTok. I know that you you you said before that

you haven't really been on TikTok that much. I don't know if you're on there now, But TikTok is what woke me up to the flat earth. And I I never I always thought TikTok was just a bunch of like, you know, kids doing the latest dance trend and eating tie pods. Like I didn't think it was anything more than that. And my husband and I and he's a contractor, and we remodeled homes and we also renovate travel trailers like RB's fifth wheels and stuff. And so I was telling my niece,

he was a teenager at the time. I said, Hey, I want to put it some of my RV flipping videos on TikTok. I just don't know how to do it. I'll set you up with an account. It's a great way for people to see your your content. It's okay, great. So she set me up with an account, and I uploaded some you know, of our before nafter videos, and so I was kind of scrolling through it, and this one blonde haired kid who has a TikTok channel,

he's a flat earth, and he kept popping up. He would say this is why the earth is splot and I'm like, oh, you got me, kating me. This is ridiculous. Swipe and then another, you know, like a remodeled video would pop up, and then this blonde hair kid would pop up again and he would be talking about flatters a little bit more. I'm like, this is absolutely ridiculous. Swipe right past you. I don't want to hear about it anymore. And but he kept popping up over

and over and over again. I thought, okay, fine, my hands were full, I was painting something. I'm just gonna listen to it because I can't swipe because my hands were four. And I started listening to him talk about emergency landings and flight patterns, which obviously me flying to Amsterdam. That sparked my attention. I was like, hmm, yeah, that is weird patterns. You're weird. So I started listening to that a little bit.

And then because I watched one of his videos, the algorithm kept bringing up more and more content like his, and I kept listening to more, and kept listening to more and it was more intriguing. And then he mentioned something about Genesis six. And I've been raised in a Christian home my entire life, and I never gave much thought to Genesis six. But I thought, well, this guy's talking about it, maybe I should look into it

some more. So then I just like dove into Genesis six and I'm like, oh my gosh, the nephilo this and that, this is this is insane. I never knew any of this stuff growing up in a Christian hall. We never talked about it, you know. And so it was TikTok that wooked me up to the flat Earth. And it was this guy. I have this TikTok channel here if you if you want to look him up, you can tag it. He's absolutely fantastic. It's uh At Caleb dot Fe. It's k A l eb dot s e k e L. I'm

sorry k l e B did you say dot fe dot fe? Yeah? Oh, I always got almost one hundred and fifty thousand followers. Yeah, the blonde hair kid with the blue eyes. His face is always right in front of the screen. He's hilarious. He's still good. So yeah, in the show notes as well, so everybody can check him out and make sure you guys say you heard him from Jessica. Yeah, yeah, he's he's It doesn't follow me, it'd be great to get but yeah, he's

awesome. So definitely check out his little channel for sure. But anyway, so I started to really kind of geek out and in Genesis six and then, and I thought, well, if the Nephelim and all this stuff is real and we were I've been raising a Christian home, but we've never talked about it. What else are we not talking about that's true in the Bible.

So then I started just reading these verses that people on these flat Earth videos were throwing out, and I was like my eyes started to open wider and wider, Like was the more I read just strictly out of the Bible, no scientific this or no scholar that. It was just all biblical reading. And I was like, Oh my gosh, this is this is amazing, And I could have believed that my mind started to turn to the flat Earth. I never thought that would. I had never even heard of it

before, to be honest, until this. I saw this Caleb guy on TikTok, and I'm like people say the Earth is flat, no idea, I've never heard of them before, and like that is an insane concept. So I really secretly dove into it for about two weeks. I really dove into flat Earth secretly, like I hadn't talked to my husband about it and talked to my kids about it. I was just so intrigued by all of

it. And I was coming home from dropping my kids off at school and I have to go down so I dropping so coming home from dropping my kids off at school. Sorry, there's this this big like hill plateau that I have to drive down. And the plateau looks over most of the city, and the sky was beautiful that morning, and and everything just looked huge. The sky looked huge, and I just looked on my windshield at the stoplight

and I was like, if the Earth is flat. And I can't even believe I'm saying this, but if the Earth is flat, please Jesus tell me. I want to know the truth about your magnificent creation. I want to know. Please show me the truth because I really believe it's flat now and I need to hear it from you before I fully choked up for and he instantly gave me peace in my heart, and it was like he just said, yeah, this is this is it. You're in this beautiful enclosed

dome called the fir Moment, and that's that's what it is. And I was just like, it was like this amazing close connection with God at that very moment. You know, opening up to the truth is beautiful creation. And we know That's why I started episode one with why the Lie? We know why it's so important because I get it seems like almost an email every day that kind of mentions at least that it has brought people back to God, closer to God, if not some people who had kind of walked away

from God and brought them back. It's extremely important and it's very deceitful heliocentrism.

And when you actually after you come out of the other side and you realize, you know, the biblical cosmology, geocentric world that we live in, you understand how silly, in my opinion, heliocentrism is like if we're hurtling through space, if you take a baseball and throw it, if there's a bug on that ball, he's going to feel the wind in its little face going for sixty miles an hour, let alone spinning and chase and everything else. And you know, when I go fishing just a half a mile

down the road at the lake, it's not moving. Just none of it makes any sense. And you know, people, there's a lot of people out there that wants to They just want the scientific evidence, and there's plenty of that as well. You'd mentioned two great things, right. Sea level does not make sense on a ball, It doesn't make sense that earth. And for Christians, on the other hand, the Bible explains very clearly how he flooded the earth. It didn't just rain. He opened the windows of

the heavens and the water came from above. That's how he created the earth. He separated the waters, and and that should say something. And again I don't I'm not a church basher whatsoever. I would. I'm still looking

forward church because I think fellowship is important. But doesn't that say something to the effect that you spent a lot of time in church in your life and you basically from TikTok you you learned about Genesis, sex and flat Earth, which you know, really brings a new understanding to the Book of Genesis. Yeah, and you know, and it wasn't angry when I discovered flat Earth. I know a lot of people go through an angry phase. They're mad

they've been lied to. And you know, Owen Benjamin montage of it is just awesome. It shows his rage and his anger as he's going through the the discovery phase of it. But I wasn't angry. I was excited because things finally made sense. That The part that did bother me though, is I felt like growing up in a Christian hall, I had so many questions to things and I always kind of got the same answer, Well, you know, you know, oh, because God can can do what you want.

When it comes to you know, flooding the earth, well I don't understanding, like people the earth of glow. Well, God can do what he wants. Yeah, that's true, but still how does that work? And then I remember my mom telling me once when I was a kid, you know, if you want, if you want to tell people that you know God, God exists, you just tell him that if we were any closer to the Sun, if the Earth was off its access, just this tiny event, we were any closer to the Sun, we would all burn

up. That in itself is proof that God created this, This wonderful universe, and you know, of course like oh yeah, okay, yeah, we just we disbelieve it, right and go with it. And it was

that's that type of thing that bothers me because it's so not true. It's and I know it's being said with good intentions, but it's definitely not the truth, and it leads people further and further away from the truth because and they just want to accept what these you know, I just stay with air quotes smarter than you people are saying, and when it isn't the truth at all, I want to ask you this, how did the last because I try to ask this to all our listeners, how did the last three and

a half years? How this country has been in the world the world? Really and you sound like you were awake well before twenty twenty. How did you and your family navigate through the cold the COVID debacle? Okay, well, I tell people this, especially with the whole mask thing, so people, you know you need you need to mask up. And we didn't do any of that, by the way, No, no vaccine's, no masking nothing. My family and I refused to do it. But I would always

tell people. I would say I survived a kidnapping, I was hit by a drunk driver. I was brutally attacked by a dog who tore off half of my face. I had a reconstructive surgery for that. I fell off a debt and nearly was decapitated by a running trencher. I've had seven miscarriages and we lost everything there into their during their recession, and we were nearly

homeless. I've had four blood clots to pulmonary embolisms. And you're gonna tell me that a mask is going to save my life from something that's got a ninety nine point whatever survival rate. I don't think so. I'm tougher than nails. There's no no way that that little paper whatever is going to save me after everything I've been through in my life already. You know, just

was absolutely ridiculous. But yeah, we didn't do any of it. We we It's almost like there's something inside you that tells you, you know,

you're you're smarter than that, and and not to fall for it. And I have a blood plotting disorder, so I'm on coumadin and I would just flash my medical ide bracelet wherever I went and said, oh sorry, and medically exempt, and then nobody could say anything to me about it because they can't, you know, but definitely opened our eyes to how how blind people are too, and just how sheepish they just go along with with everything. I mean, masks in your car by yourself, I mean, what what

is that about? You know, they're just petrified of nothing. They're petrified of nothing because someone's telling them to be petrified of it exactly. And first of all, in the dictionary, under the word resilient should be your face. That's uh u. Quite an incredible journey that you've had. And it's

funny you mentioned people who wear their masks in their car. I saw a maime two days ago that said for all the people who were who wore masks in their car by themselves introducing the new outdoor seat belt and this short of guy where just thinking a belt walking around town. Yeah, I saw that too. That. I'm so glorious. I just love it. It's so great. Yeah, it's it's really good. But did you like if go ahead, go ahead? No, no, go ahead, I'm sorry.

I was just going to say that, did you ever think you would see anything like that in your lifetime? What we've gone through the last few years, how everything's just turned upside down. No, no, absolutely not, no, I nobody did. I mean I really, I mean all of this conspiracy theorists. We know that there's something out there, but I don't think any of us really knew that. We see the amount of people folly for it was the big thing. I mean, we all know the government's

up to get us. We all know that the the elites, they have an agenda, right, But I never thought i'd see so many people just blindly follow what these you know, higher ups have to say about controlling their lives. The absolute hardest part for me as a mom was watching my kids suffer was schooling. My daughter has two forms of dyslepsia. She's got a pretty good sized learning disability, and when they closed down the schools here in

in Boise, they didn't reopen them for nearly two years. I think it was for the most part, and watching my daughter sufferer academically was absolutely hard breaking, and she all of the kids with learning disabilities fell left behind. And I went on local talk show radio talk shows begging for the governor to reach out to me to figure out what we could do. To help these

kids with learning disabilities. I emailed his office and called him twenty two times, and never once did I get a response, not just a courtesy email back, not a courtesy phone called back, not even from his office. And that was the hardest part for me, because it was like I could see my daughter, she's just crying, and I'm stupid. I don't know any of this stuff. And you know, here, let's put you in front of a screen with two forms of dyslexia and have you learn it doesn't

work that way. It's just that was that was the worst part. I mean that the masking and the not being able to go here or there. That didn't bother us because you know, I'm just like a I'm I'm too tough just to caved any of that. So I just didn't fall for any of that stuff. But it was being not having any control of my kid's situation, if that makes sense as a parent, that's really difficult, and

that's how it felt for all those years. It makes a lot of sense, and those poor children, especially the class of twenty twenty, I'll always keep them in my hearts. They had, uh, you know, everything they worked for to be able to walk across the stage and to have their their prom all that stuff taken away from him is just next level evil. And that's really what pushed me into homeschooling. I saw what they were doing. You know, maybe I was not doing the right thing and being as

involved in my children's academia. Just trusting, and that's a big thing. There's a certain individual in the truth community who's kind of a big name, who is like totally against home schooling. He thinks, and this guy has many, many doctorates and usually you know, I've got a couple of his books, but he thinks that, you know, just the regular show is not small hard enough to teach his uh, you know, to teach his child. Which is funny to me because I was watching what they're teaching children

today. It's going back to TikTok. How many videos with the lives of TikTok do you see? Just the craziness of what they're teaching our children in school today. Oh, it's unbelievable. I know. I have I have a friend, one of my only I have two flat Earth friends, and one of them has a son who's a I think he's a senior this year,

and she homeschools him and she said she's unschooling him at home. You really have, And yeah, I love the way that she said that she's unschooling him because she's teaching him about biblical cosmology and all of the truth, you know, And it's it's awesome that she can do that. I don't have the I don't know even know how to put it, the academic capabilities to homeschool like kids. And I'm beyond thankful that they go to a wonderful

Christian school. Now. Getting them into Christian school was a huge mirror cle of in itself, and God had to have everything aligned perfectly to make that happen. But they they do go to a really great Christian school. And that's another point I wanted to make too. Georgia's that even even our kids being in a Christian school and us knowing the truth, it still is hard because I know, not everything they're bringing home now to learn is that the

truth. Does that make sense? Yeah, one hundred percent, even with our curriculum, you know, it's uh, they talk about NASA and the history, they talk about July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine, and all those things. It's it is it can be. Like I said, we allow her to read that stuff. It's important for us to you know, for her to know what they teach and then we teach or what we think.

So it's, uh, I completely understand where you're coming from. When the reports come home and maybe there's a globe where it talks about gravity and you just kind of laugh and raise your eyebrow. That's about it, right, And that's I guess that should I have a bunch of questions here, Let's go back to Yeah, uh, you know you're awake to flatter. You know, for me, that was angry, but at the end of the day, it was exciting. But I did realize pretty quickly that not everybody

else is you know, excited to receive because I was a gift. So what was that for you? And how did you share that with your family? Okay, so I love this story about how my husband and when he hears this, he's gonna laugh. So So, like I said, I had I dove into flatter for about two weeks and I had that wonderful encounter

with God that morning and was really awake to it. So that night, during the day, I prepared some videos I saved on my phone from TikTok and I'm like, oh yeah, I gotta share these with my husband's night just to see what he says. So I couldn't put the kids to bed. You know, we're we're lying in bed just talking about the day and get ready to go to sleep. And I said, you know what's really weird our emergency flight landings. Those don't make any sense. He's like,

well, what do you mean? And I said, well, let me show you this video and tell me if this makes sense. So, you know, TikTok's great because they're like three minute long videos and and so he watched it and he goes, yeah, that doesn't make sense. And I said, you know, el this doesn't make sense is flight patterns and every when I flew to Amsterdam, that doesn't make sense either. Did you know

there's people up there that believe the Earth is flat? He goes, well, I've heard of flat Earth before, but my buddy made a skateboard video called flat Earth. But I just thought it was like, you know, a skateboarding terms of my husband's a skateboarder. A skateboarding term. We're able to like skate all over the place because it's got to be you know, flat pretty much. That's what we thought it. Yeah, there's people that they are at this flat. I think this is kind of good proof that

maybe they're onto something. The He's like, oh, that is interesting. And so we tried to fall asleep that night, and he couldn't sleep. He got up, he got out of bed, he got on his phone and sat in the living room all night long and watched Flat Earth's videos. Well, I snoozed peacefully fine in bed, knowing the truth and knowing that he was about to go on this incredible journey that night to discovery the truth. And he was one percent on board. He completely agreed it was It

was amazing. It took him no time at all. You know. Yeah, the battle is just getting people to watch a five minute video. If you can get someone to sit down and watch one or two videos and then just kind of throw you did it perfectly. You That's what people have to do. Just leave little nuggets. Isn't that It isn't that weird? Right? And just yeah, I guess it is. And your your your husband couldn't even sleep, he had to look and and the next morning you had

breakfast and a new Flat Earth or in the family. Oh yeah, it was, it was. It was amazing. It was so great. I love. I mean, we've had we've been married for so long, we've had all these wonderful, all you know, moments and things that are married, but that will always stand out because I was so happy lying there in bed knowing that he was in the living room about to embark on this incredible journey. And by morning he was super tired but super excited to find out

more. And and he's the one that discovered your podcast, by the way, So I'm so thankful for that. But I I don't want to have my dad passed away twenty twenty from he finally his body finally gave in from all the radiation that he took during his time and working nuclear power. So it's just my mom and she came over for gosh, she was over for dinner. I can't remember if it was Thanksgiving or something, but I had

I'd saw that I'd been dying to talk to her about flat Earth. And she's not a conspiracy theorist at all, and she's just wonderful, kind hearted Christian woman. But I'm like, I've got at least put something out there just to spark her interest. And there was that old show Bonanza, and I'm sure we're all old enough to remember that show. And there was a seed that I had seen on TikTok and there was a young uh school teacher

who was teaching the kids about gravity and the globe model. And the preacher's wife had heard her teaching that to the kids, and she ran over and got the preacher and and she's like, you've got to come listen to this. This is sol Cordan. You've got to come over here right now and

listen. So the preacher goes running over and he can hear the teacher teaching the kids about you know, you know, the theory of gravity and the globe model and this and that, and he bucks in and he says he got really angry with her, and he said it will be taught now, don't this is this isn't like word for word, it's just the idea of it. You know, you're not going to be teaching you will not be teaching the globe model. The Earth is flat. The Bible says it's flat,

and it's biblical. You'll be teaching it biblical, not science or something of that nature. And I showed that to my mom and I said, isn't it crazy that that the earth was the flat earth was taught back in school a long time ago, And and she's like, oh, yeah, that's pretty interesting, and then never really gave it too much of a thought

after that. Right, So fast forward like two to years later, my mom and I were buying a pop up tent canopied from this wonderful couple and we drove out there together and they have this beautiful house that overlooks this beautiful bluff here in Idaho. And my mom said to the husband, he's this wonderful man from Haiti, and she says, Oh, I would just sit out there and read my Bible and just praise God for that beautiful view if I lived here. And this guy, George, he was so awesome.

He took that and he ran with it, and he said, do you realize that not that It's almost like he just jumped into flat Earth. It's like he just looked at my mom and within seconds was like, the Bible says the Earth is flat? Do you know that you're being lied to about

everything? And it sparked this incredible conversation and we stood out there for an hour, and this wonderful man from Haiti and his wife just schooled my mom on flat Earth and the Nephelim and the cabal and the education system, everything that you and I know. This guy stumped up within a one hour conversation of standing in his driveway and my mom just stood there with her mouth elpen

like wow here. It was amazing. It was so amazing. And I kept giving them hogs and they kept hype finding them and shaking their hands, and it was just this it was like this surreal, you know, divine intervention moment, and that is what kind of sparked the conversation more between my mother and I when it comes to flat Earth. It was it was incredible

that meeting those people, that was amazing. That's awesome. And I think I have that clip it's flat Earth Truth and Bonanza, and I think the episode was Devil on Her Shoulder and it's it's about a two minute clip. If if it's If that's the clip, I'll add it to the end of the interview so people can listen to it, and then I'll put it in the show description as well. It's amazing that sometimes it's not you know,

they tell us, yeah, it's in our face. Sometimes we just have to be willing to accept it. Den won always come out truthfully, but they use different means to say, hey, we told you and it is that the greatest lie. And I guess that should bring me to now. Prior to that, did you ever come across the moon landing rabbit hole? Was that something you looked into? Well, wait and rest. When I first met he, he said, yeah, you know the moonland it's fake.

And I said, okay, whatever. I really could care less if it was real or fake. Sorry, the truth, I'm like, I don't know. Like I always would hear my grandparents say they can put a man on the moon, but they can't make tooth bass, that you can drink orange juice after whatever. You know, they would always use they can put a man on the moon saying. And so I never really gave it too much thought, but it always kind of stuck there a little bit in

my head. And then and then as I dove more into nuclear radiation and I started doing a little bit more research on that. That's when I spoke to my husband about it in twenty fifteen. I was like, there's no way that were if if there's like these radiation belts that they say that they know if there's no way we're getting THROUGHO, there's no way. And none of these astronauts have any sort of like long term effects from being exposed to

radiation. That's not possible, Like I'm studying this right now, is not possible. And so then after that, I was, you know, we watched this Stanley Kubrick video on him, you know, and making him making the moon landing videos and stuff, and then I was like, oh, yeah, no, totally sack, like not even not even a question. It never happened. Have you ever seen the shining and all the nods to the moon landing, like with the tang in the closet and the rockets on

the on the sweater and everything else in that movie. Well, I've never watched the movie, but I did. I did see that it was some sort of documentary video where they put a montage together of all that, and you know that obviously there's the Eyes Wide Shut movie that he made. Oh yeah, I do not recommend people watching that movie if you have Jesus in your heart, because it's very horrible. But let's just say it's definitely really

what happens with the dark disgusting side of this world? Yeah, that it was legitimately about a part the Rothschild's had in nineteen seventy two in England, and that movie got up killed. He presented it in a hotel uh like conference room to Warner Brother executives and they told him to cut out thirty minutes of it because it exposed too much of the truth. He said, no, big argument, and he was dead the next morning. Yeah, that's

that's incredible. Yep. And if you look, his biggest movie was two thousand and one of Space Oddity. Right, if you came from the day he died to January first, two thousand and one is six hundred and sixty six days. I know, it's just another piece of useless information. I'm full of stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, but it's I mean, honestly, it's not useless because it all ties into each other, right, I mean, yeah, it's it's all the numbers. I and you,

I know, you know all the numbers by heart. But it's like, you know, the Earth's you know, supposedly spinning that you know what dynomic number of speed right or or masonic number for this Masonic number for that they're all tided the other, ye know. And ninety three is of mackery in itself, and the Sun versus God's son is all mockery. That's why they say the sun is the center of the universe. They mocked Jesus, who was the center of our universe. Is as followers of Christ right, and

absolutely, absolutely that's true. And it's funny because the sun it reminds me of this. I was outside talking to my neighbors. This is after I discovered flat Earth, and it was last summer, I think it was, and I was standing outside talking to my neighbor across the street. The sun was just beaten down on us, and I'm like, sare, let's move over to the shades. So we moved over into the shade of his tree. And I was like, you know, what's weird. Not to change

the subject on you, but you know what's weird. If the sun is all the way out, like super far away in space and we just moved under this tree and it cooled us down by like ten to fifteen degrees, How is that possible if the Sun's not local? Indeed? And he says, oh, I don't know, radiation. Oh, it always comes back to radiation with you people in radiation UV rays that you get that a lot.

And I'm telling you, if someone who's lived all around the country, uh, like, if someone who was in Delaware today woke up and driving the sun's a little bright, you gotta put down your visor and then you go to like Colorado Springs or Denver and deal with the sun there in the

mornings. It's you can't really explain it unless you've been at a at a you know, sea level of five or six thousand sea level by the way, right right, or above sea level excuse me, like you know, four or five thousand feet above sea level, and it's just again, if it was ninety three million miles away, the brightness of the sun shouldn't mean

that it's just off the chart. Anybody who's driven up what is it twenty five north south or if you live in Colorado Springs like Academy or Powers Boulevard, the sun is just so bright. It's in some mornings it's it's almost impossible to drive. It so bright. It's just yeah, And that shouldn't be the case if it's that far away exactly, and there's so many things with the sun. I was driving my son to preschool one morning back in twenty twelve, and it was it was late in winter, so there wasn't

a lot of snow on the ground. There was just a little bit of snow. But the sun was silver. It was like silver white, and I'd never noticed that before, and I was like, this is weird. I can't even see I have sunglasses on. I am blinded. That sun is not normal. This is so weird. So I dropped him off. I walked into the building and they said to one of their bobs, I said, did anybody notice that the sun is silver this morning? It's so weird. It's silver, And they're like, no, it's just the sun.

It's there every morning. No, but it's silver. It's really weird. And like, am I going crazy? This is so bizarre. And then you know, fast forward quite a few years. I want TikTok, And then I saw somebody post a video and say, did anybody noticed around the certain time frame that the sun went from yellow to silver? I'm like, yes, me, I did I realize that back then? Because you know, I don't think what they're spraying in the air or what they're doing

but they're doing something to the sun. And I noticed it back in twenty twelve, you know, and there's obviously somebody else did too, so it's not just me. Yeah. And yesterday the United Nations, one of the head cheeses there said that we have opened the gates of hell to the climate event. And I thought, Man, I don't know if this guy is like you know how they always tell us something's coming or what's going on. But even the guy for Zelenski from Ukraine, he's over here begging for money.

He goes into this thing about the climate and everything else. I'm like, it's just one thing after another. I wanted to oh, I know what I wanted to ask you. Yeah, so most people, like even me growing up, thought Idaho was just a paradise for patriots. Let's just kind of put it that way. But you know two things that really during COVID they were arresting preachers and I hope I say the city right, Cortoline, h yeah, I believe it was cord Alane and Moscow is what their

city? Yes, yes, yes, you know more than I do. And you don't even live here, b Yes, you're right. And I was floored because I'm like, wait a second, this is this is Idaho, this is you know, land of the Free, Elm of the brave, this is you know, you think, And then the Dakota is the same thing. And I got emails from people where they're trying to take their property for for these pipelines, and it's just like, is there no safe

haven anymore? But what we were talking about before we hit the record button was even the assumed Red states as they call it, many lease cities that have major universities have become infiltrated by this Marxist agenda. And like I told you before the show, was Texas is about as red state it used to be. But yeah, anybody who's ever walked down the streets of Austin realizes it. You could be in Portland or Seattle or anywhere else like that.

These major universities have really been infiltrated. And it's really a fight for the minds and the control of the minds of the youth, it really is. And it's a disgusting cancer that is taking over and it's it's it's literally killing anything in its path when it comes to morals and values. And we moved here to Idaho from California from Reading California in two thousand and nine, we've lost, Like I said, we lost everything there in the recession. My

husband was electrician. We lost our business or house or vehicles, you name it. It was gone and we were practically homeless. And so we thought, well, my family's already up in Idaho, let's just move up here. And it was. It was great for a while. And then as soon as the influx of Californians and and washington people started moving being in, we could just start seeing more and more. If it's slowly turning from red to blue, and and not just blue, but I mean, like really

blue. Boise has just become so liberal and so over the top that they have they I don't even They just had their second Pride parade of the year here a couple of weekends ago. I think it was really for no reason, just because they want people to think that Boise is a place for everyone to come. And they're accepting of everyone unless you're a Christian flatter sir, and then they hate you. But other than that, they accept everyone else.

And we're the only Christian Conservatives in our neighborhood because we do we do live deep in the liberal part of the area here unfortunately, and our neighbors have made it perfectly clear how much they do not like us for that reason. Really, yeah, and so we're praying hard. So if there is one prairie quest to have out there, please pray that the Lord moves us.

It's going to take a huge miracle, but we really do, We really would love to move out of this area, closer to our kids' school that they go to, for sure, because it's getting harder and harder to to not be angry. Right, You don't want to be an angry person. You don't want to be an angry Christian or but when you're what is thrown in your face constantly when you walk out your front door, it is thrown in your kids's faces constantly. It's so hard not to be angry,

you know, one hundred percent. When I was finishing up recording Monday's podcast on the fact under i'd never lose my composed I rarely, rarely, rarely ever lose my composure. And I lost it because, oh did you? I did? Because the further way we get from nine to eleven, that the more I realize that once again here's another cataclysmical event that no one will be held liable for. And without nine to eleven, COVID would never have

happened. They all these acts had to be passed in order for these emergency use authorizations to be put in place. The Patriot Act gave certain powers to DHS. And that's why I tell everybody, make sure you take some time out of the rabbit hole, because at first it's really cool and you connect nuts and then you say, wait a second, this is real. They're real people involved in this, in this evil and it does you can if you're if you're in the rabbit hole too long, you can get very angry

about it. And I got a little bit upset, But I think that's okay too, because that means you're passionate about the truth. Sure, and it lights to fire under you too. And so many people are so so passive about a lot of things. You know, that the cognitive dissipance that people have to not even wanting to even question anything. And I can't remember if it was on your podcast or if somebody else. It's somebody else say

that. It just seems like a lot of the people who have such an easy going life, who have the money, who have never wanted for anything in their life. They're the ones that are really passive when it comes to they're not wanting to know the truth because they're so comfortable that's right in the life. And that I think the people that have gone through a lot of hardships and their lives and a lot of crazy hard things, you know, we're easier to wake up. I think we're easier to wake up because of

the things that we've gone through in our lives. I have I have one sibling to have, a sister. She's extremely wealthy and she lives her and her family live a life of luxury, and they want absolutely nothing to do with with God on or any truth seeking whatsoever, because they're so comfortable that they don't need to know anything else. And you know, that's it's it's really sad because they are walking through life blindly, not wanting to know the

truth. Yeah, and I know a lot of people in the same position that I know of, and it's also those are the same people who are really going to struggle when times get very difficult because they've never had struggle before. You're you're resilient, you've gone through certain things, so you're going to be able to adapt and overcome. And a lot of people who have never had adversity before are really going to struggle when they come upon extreme levels of

discomfort. And I do believe very much in our lifetime, maybe even in the near future, we're going to see a big change of how things work in this country. And I'm talking about digital currency and signing on and if you want to buy yourself, you've got to go along with certain things. Obviously, the Bible says we don't know when, but all you have to do is look and see the direction that the world's going. I don't think I'm reaching too much to say that, right, No, no, you're

not. You're not reaching at all. And and that and that's why it's so important to to find like minded people. Fortunately, we have two two friends that are one hundred percent on board with flat Earth and and the things to come, and we're all prepared. We both have travel trailers and we're like, okay, we'll stop off. If we got to drive to the middle of nowhere, at least we have somewhere to sleep that's unclosed, right, That's right. You do need to be prepared and and and Idaho is

great for that because you know, it's an open carry state. It's extremely safe here. I think that's the reason why there wasn't a whole lot of shut downs and too much craziness during the the plandemic here because because there's Boise itself is liberal, but the rest of the state's pretty awesome, and nobody was really fallen for it too much if you stepped outside of the you know, city limits. I know that, Okay, I'm sorry. I don't know where Moscow is on a map. Is that near Boise? Uh?

Now, gosh, how I think it's I shouldn't know how far it is from here, but I don't. I think it's like two to four hours ago. Okay, so it's a bit of ways. It's I was shucking to see that they arrested the preacher there, and again you hear that I'm just doing my job, and that can be worrisome. You know, from one aspect, we all have bills to pay, but at some point, you know, we got to do what's right morally. And let me ask

you this. You're you're basically self employed, and we're witnessing hyper inflation, and at certain times, how are you guys, Are you guys worried about with everything that's going on? Oh heck yeah. I mean I can no longer work due to my blood clots. So we are a one income family. My husband works extremely hard, he doesn't stop working. We are constantly I hate the fact that muddy is constantly a worry, but it is. I mean, everything's fitsive and our kids go to Christian's school and that is

not cheap, but it's it's worth every panty. And I mean God's great. He always provides. And I know, as humans we worry about the stuff. But you know, the Bible says his eyes on the sparrow, and he's definitely taking good care of us. It's it's not easy, but he's always taking good care of us. So it is. It's always a worry though. You know. Now we live in a in a two income

society. And that's the thing is that they they want to distract us by having us work so hard, right so that we don't have time to sit down and research. We don't have time to talk to work family about these things. We're too tired, we're too irritated, we're too wrapped up in finances to even think about anything else. And that's exactly what they want, and they're succeeding with a lot of people. Yeah, they created a matrix where you're right, it is in many cases has to be a two income

family. And you know, this country really only reaped the rewards of World War Two for maybe fifteen years. We're in the fifties. You know, dad's income would cover the mortgage, the car, college, you know, two vacations a year. You know, everybody was living good. And then they realize that, you know, hey, people have too much time on their hands. We need to spin up the matrix so people don't have time to discuss what was going to come November twenty second, nineteen sixty three and

everything forward. So they hit the accelerator and like everybody else, everybody's too busy. And after working ten twelve hours, you come home, you just want to have a cold drink, put your feet up, and watch mindless entertainment for an hour, and then you got to repeat the whole thing again the next morning. That's right, that's right, just walking zombies, you

know, Yeah, that's that's exactly what it is. And there was a point I was going to make about that but it has completely left my brain. It Well, why you're doing trying to think of that? I'll say, there's that nime that that's out there that always says, you know, we were not put on this world to to work, pay taxes and die. Right, it's uh, it should be an experience and it should be

uh and you know, just a great journey amongst our fellow man. But it's just been hijacked from people, you know, who have been running evil since you know, pretty much the beginning of time. And it's the people that, like I tell my mom, she's not she's not on board with flat Earth yet. I'm still working on her, but uh, you know,

I tell her. The people that are telling you that we landed on the moon, the people are that are to on you that space is real, and you know, all these different things are the same people who also are telling you that we came from monkeys, that we came from a big bay. It's all the same people. So if they're gonna lie to you about where we came from, why aren't they gonna lie to you about anything else? To hide true creation? And that's exactly what they want to do,

is to hide true creation. So you're believing. You're not believing this the people that are you know, you're not believing them on the aspect of where we came from, but you'll go ahead and believe them on space when the Bible says something completely different. And that gets a little bit of a of a spark going and you know, in her brain to maybe think about it a little bit more. But it's just it's mind blowing that these Christians

will will just follow what these people say. Well, we're not going to believe them on the big bay stuff, but we'll believe them on space because we've had a globe run in our faces since we were you know, we tiny little kids, right, and even in the bigger aspect of things for truthers who believe, you know, everything's a lie except we're on a ball

spinning and everything else. For lated eliosntrism, that's the thing where I try to say, like, you can completely understand all the other rabbit holes throughout the world. But and again I don't judge because I was that guy for almost fifty years of my life. But once you see it's like sure that fight in the movie, they live, but just put the glasses on for one second, and once you see, you won't be able to unsee.

I had to listener on my other podcasts message me and say, I'm all caught up on the fact under I'm gonna start listening, but I don't think and I said, okay, well, welcome to Flutterarth. Yeah yeah, and there. I mean, in all of these wonderful conspiracy theories, I call them my stories now. That way people don't they get all freaked out when you know, what are you listening to? I'll listening to my stories because conspiracy theory obviously has such a negative tone to it now. But like

my grandma with her soaper operas, these are my stories. But I listened to these, these conspiracy theories of you know, like big Foot, and everyone's like, you know, big Foot doesn't exist. And then my flat earth friends husband was like, you know how many bears there are in Idahell? When he gave out some crazy number like thirty thousand bears or something, Yeah, how many bears have you seen one? Well? Who's to say

that? You you know, that's my whole point with big Foot, Like if there's only like, you know, one hundred big Foot, no wonder you haven't really seen any of them, right, You've only seen one bear

and there's like thirty thous of them in your area. I love it when people throw stuff like that out there, because nothing is off the table now as far as I'm concerned, Like if we've been lied to about the shape of the earth for so long, nothing is off the table when it comes to what the truth can be. The massive trees that you know, like your listener, I think it was the last one you had talked about,

the Devil's Tower. Yeah, and the tree stuff, and yes, definitely massive trees that were cut down and all these all these wonderful things out there like that that are so compelling and so awesome and so interesting and in true you know. And I'd like to ask you this, I guess it's a two part question. Is how important to you is flat Earth and getting the information out there? And have you thought about any interesting ways other than the

ones we've talked about how to get the message out there? And I know like for you, you live in a tough community that it wouldn't be welcome. Well, uh maybe if you had the bumper sticker or the h or signs, But have you thought about creative ways to kind of spread the word. Well, I'm a talker, and so I think that in conversation, I like to talk to people. And for instance, my mom and I just did an art show. She's an artist. We did an art show

together. This last weekend. I was talking to a couple of ladies that came into our booths and they were Christians, because we had a few Christian things in our booth, and and I said, it's amazing how much you know, we've been lied to about the truth. And you know, things aren't what they seem. The Bible tells us what they seem like they are, and the Bible tells us something completely different. And then that sparks an interest of you know, well, what are you talking about? And then

you know, you slowly ease into it. I think it's conversation. I think it's being approachable and and not getting hyped up if someone has a different opinion than yours on a situation, because then you don't want to drive them away or on a topic. I mean, you don't want to drive them away off stat topic by being you know, hot headed or hyped up. That just you know, just talking to people and if they're willing to hear it. They're willing to hear it. If they're not, they're not.

There's a great app that I have on my phone called the Flat Earth Clock. Have you heard of this app? Is that different than Dave's The I have the Flat Earth Sun and Moon Zodiac app and you turn it on and it's got like the clock and you can see the sun. This one just says now it just This one's called flat Earth Clock and yeah, it shows the sun and the moon and it's an actual clock, and it's got the featured video on the bottom left hand corner. Yes, okay, yeah,

that's Dave's Yep, yep, yep. There is a community section on this app, and I think if you pay a couple of bucks, you could see who else around you has the app and who is a flat earther, and then you can all communicate with each other through this app, which is really cool. So if I'm sitting in Chick fil A, I can get on and see if there's a flat earthers sitting behind me, and then I can go over and talk to them, which I haven't done that yet,

but that would be great if that did happen. Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that I actually got a message. I actually have two message I got a reply to, but there was one message. They're having a get together I think in Gaithersburg, Maryland this week and or maybe it was last weekend. So it's great if you if you were looking to connect with other flat earthers, check it out. It's it's really it's really cool. You can see right in your local area who's around you that are flat earthers.

And I'm in the middle of the boonies and there's a bunch of folks around here. It's really cool. And you had mentioned before about quite a few times on your podcast about not being able to find a home church, and we really struggle with that too. It's it's just it's become very difficult because we know what the truth is and and it's it's hard to, you know, find a place where you can fellowship with other people and know that they

know the truth right and they're not being taught something completely false. Yeah, have you had much luck in that department of finding a church in your area. No, I've been to a few, and I'm gonna have to expand further because the one church they push evolution the other one, they're more interested in their softball team than they were, you know, getting out in winning

souls. And that may sound bristle, but that's just again. I don't want to judge a church on one ninety minute visit, but I didn't feel welcome, and it's just part of it is I had such a wonderful church growing up. I hope I'm not trying to compare it too much to that, but it's just to me. I know what the truth is, and I guess it's become and maybe everybody has different kind of boundaries, but for

me, I just want the truth. Like I wish I could move down to pastorals d Odals neighborhood and go to his church every Sunday, because I would that would be just tremendous. And yeah, it's important to me. Fellowship is important to me, and you know, all of that stuff is very important. But it's just so hard to find something. And the farther north we go in this state, the more woke these churches get. They have their uh you know, pride flags hanging from their church and everything else.

It's really bad. And but I'm gonna keep trying. And even if I have to drive an hour to a church. That's fine too, It's important, Yeah, it is really important. And my kids missing, My kids miss going to church for sure. And and uh, even though my kids are younger, I gu said they're fourteen and eleven. I didn't throw well, my husband, I didn't throw flat earths in their face and be like, you've been taught wrong your whole life. It's flat, it's all

glow right. They would just hear like little tidbits of our conversations, and then we always made sure that we were we were coming into the conversation from a biblical aspect, from a biblical point of view, because both my kids to have a very wonderful close relationship with the Lord, and I'm very blessed to have children like that. So they were really open to just listening to

it and understanding for themselves. You know, we're like, hey, this is what you're being taught in school, but this is what the Bible says it. Even though you go to a Christian school, not all Christians are awake to this truth because they have been taught wrong for so long. Just you know, no different than Dad and I. We've been taught wrong, our whole lives too by wonderful, loving Christians who didn't know the truth either.

So it would be really wonderful to find a church that was on board with this truth so that they could have other friends that they could talk to about this as they're growing up and not feel like they come from the crazy family who believes that the earth is flat. Yeah, it is quite the stigma, and it is quite the lie they've created. Excuse me. Yeah, and I know a lot of people who have been moved to start throwing little churches for lack of a better word, because they're passionate about it.

And you know that that options out there for so many people. You can open up your home and you know, and reach the truth. And obviously, you know, obviously biblical cosmology to us is important, but is not the endgame. We know that salvation is the most important part, but the fact that when people realize how the world is truly created, it does bring people back to God. So to me, it's it's very very important.

So you're so right, George, I mean it. You know, like I said before, I tried talking to my mom about it, and this wonderful man from Haiti was talking to my mom about it, and that she's like, you know, all these things are really interesting, but the most important thing is to get people saved and to spread the gospel. And I said to where that's true. But since I've been awakened to this truth,

I have never been closer to God before in my life. My relationship with God has completely aged since I have been awake to the flatter earth and the beauty of His creation. It brings you so much closer because then you you realize that the man has been lying to you to your whole lives, and now you and God have this even closer connection because you're awake to what He's created. And that the man from Haiti pretty much said the same thing. He said, I I've never been closer to God in my life, and

so many people have been saved just from flat Earth alone. It's undeniable. You know. I have the proof to to back it up with all the emails I've gotten. And that's pretty emotional when you get that email too. It's because that is salvation. There's that, that is the that is nothing more important in life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and and I think, like I said, I'm not I don't know I'm not a Bible scholar. I don't have all the verses, you know, memorized and everything

else. But uh, you know that there would be a gosh, what was my mom saying? There would be some sort of great from technology at the end times or the wisdom or something like that, at the end times would be greater or whatever. And they can't help but state that's because of how many people are waking up to the truth and coming to Christ. Because

they are waking up to the truths and more now than ever. And if you go like on NASA on Twitter when they post something, you go through the comments, I smile because so many people are awake to it and just say, no, you're a fraud, this is a lie. CGI. So I get a smile when I see that stuff, because indeed, there is a bit of a great awakening. Oh I, it's so funny.

You were talking about the the uh the New moon landing from India right when you talked about that on your last podcast, I think, and somebody had posted a video of it, and no, that's not what it was. I'm sorry. Let me let me back up, because this is absolutely hilarious. Oh, it was a it was a pro blow model post I saw on Facebook from a Naxa sister pay post or something, and it showed,

you know, these power pulls going over the curvature of the Earth. And then I commented on it and it said it's time to break out the p the nikon p. One thousand and and then somebody commented back and said you must be a flour fur And then I said, what's a flurfer? He said, somebody that believes the Earth is flat? They said, people believe the Earth is flat? Are you serious? And so I'm trolling this guy on Facebook. You were commenting back and forth and and he's just like,

you know, yeah, people believe the Earth is flat. And I can't believe I was stupid. They are blah blah blah. And I said, you sound like a really intelligent guy. What are your thoughts on the newst moon landing from India? And he says, way to go, India. I think that's incredible and back and they said, wait a minute, you believe that's true, but you're going to insult somebody else's intelligence because they're thinking outside of the box and think the Earth is flat? Are you kidding me?

Like they put so little effort into that video. It's terrible. I like, you're gonna believe that's true, but but you're gonna, you know, sit there and bash somebody who thinks that the Earth is flat. But the India move, I mean I had that game on my Atari back in nine eighty nine, you know, like I had that cartridge on the twenty six hundred, the Indian moon landing. What a game right there with moon patrol. Yes, yeah, it's so bad that they actually believe that,

but oh linkedness. Yeah, and I know, I've got some emails a lot of people talking about Artemis, which is just conveniently scheduled for I think we're around election day, so a lot of people, uh, you know, wondering what that event it's going to be all about. But I've also seen articles where it's it may be too expensive to even do, so who knows what they have up their sleeve. I guess we'll see in the next fourteen months. I'm sure we'll have all kinds of interesting events, maybe even

a Project Blue Beam. Hey, you never know, I mean that would be very I'm excited for all that stuff, you know. I mean, I think all of us truths are we're super excited we're living in this amazing time. I did want to ask you, George, though, because I do really do, I really do value your opinion. What are your thoughts on the Book of Enoch and the and the rest of the pockets of books. Well, I have the Book of Enoch and I use it as a

kind of a what's what's the word to use. I read it and I think it's He was a very important figure obviously in the Bible, a tremendous figure. And I think, if I remember correctly, the evidence just wasn't there to support it being canaanized in sixteen oh five when the King James version was you know, completed. But we know now with the Dead Sea scrolls and everything else that it's legitimate and it's you know, I think, correct

me if I'm wrong. Again, I'm not a scholar either. I think it may even predate the first five books of the Bible, the Tourra, so I think it's very important. I read it. I use it as a support That's what I was going to use as supporting document for like the Book of Genesis, because it does touch on many of the things that we discussed today, right and I asked Pastoral that question as well. I think he kind of gave the same answer, is I think it's an important document,

and I think it's I think it's okay to read. I certainly did. I'm very glad that you say that, because I have the I have the Book of actually I have in the Book of Enoch and all of the other books ordered a giant books from Amazon, and then, man, I just dove into that like like no one's business. And the reason why is because back in June, I had a very vivid dream. And I do believe that God talks to us through our dreams when when things are extremely important.

And I had this really important, vivid dream that would I just wouldn't leave my mind for like two weeks straight. I could not stop thinking about it. And I had a dream that we were all of us, were all of us truly saved people were on earth and we were eating delicious food and it was great and we were happy. And then all of the it was described in my dream as the true unbelievers, So people who thought that they were saved because they kind of confessed their faith in God, but they

really weren't. They were all locked up in cages and they were being transported to Hell, and they were screaming and reaching their hands out through the bars and you know, begging for help. And in my dream, my sister and her cold family we were in those cages and they were yelling and screaming and they're just like, help us, like I thought we were Christians, And I'm like, no, you, you had your opportunity, but you

denied God. And EMA were here eating delicious food and this is wonderful and earth is beautiful, and all the unsaved left, but the true believers stayed and we were happy and enjoyous and delicious food kept coming up in that dream over and over again, and it was just crazy and I couldn't it couldn't. It wouldn't leave my head. And a couple of months later I started

reading the Book of Enoch, and I'm not kidding you. The Book of Enoch was laying out that dream nearly word for word, and my mind was blown. I couldn't believe it. It was talking about how the saved or staying on the earth and the and I have all the passages written down, but and the nonbelievers left and we stayed here and talked about this. Enoch was asking an angel about this specific tree, and the fruit from this tree was so delicious and it was only for the true believers, and so on

and so forth. And I was like, after I read that, it just solidified in my mind. I'm like, Okay, I think that this is definitely something that people should be reading. I think it's a very important book. And and it was almost eerie that it was nearly word for word in a sense. And this was months before he even started reading the book could be knock wow. I'll tell you, if I had that dream,

I wouldn't sleep for a week. I goodness. It reminds me of those I don't know if you remember back in the day, those those old Christian tracks, those little men. They looked like many comic books, and it

like the cover said this was your life. They'd be laying around restaurants and like different churches would leave them in different places, and it like you open it up, it would be a guy smoking a pipe and drinking liquor and he's got his Porsche and like later in the story he's like in the Lake of Fire. It's just like that freaked me out as a young as a young person seeing those things. Yes, yeah, yeah, I absolutely remember

those. That's so funny. And I remember listening to Unshackled. I don't know if you've ember Unshackled on the radio. Oh yeah, absolutely. Isn't that that wonderful organ intro? You know? Yeah, I'm sorry. Isn't that one of like the longest running radio programs I've been around for like fifty

years? Is it still on? I don't know. I haven't listened to it in years, but I just remember my uh, my singing opera lessons were about forty five minutes away from where we lived as a kid, and so on the way home, Unshackled was on every night on the way home from that commute. So we would listen to it every night in the car, and that wonderful pipe organ would come in in the beginning, you know, do take Adoo, and then they would start, you know, with

Beth with the wonderful story. But I don't know if it's still on or not. It is. It first aired September twenty third, nineteen fifty, so, uh Saturday will be the seventy third anniversary. It is the longest running radio drama in history. Wow, that's that's so cool. Yeah, I got yeah, I bet you. They do it on like the Ham radio is like w BCQ out of Monticello, Maine. But it says it's aired over sixty five hundred times around the world each week, over fifteen hundred

radio outlets. Amazing. Yeah, yeah, that is amazing. Huh. But yeah, that's pretty cool what we are. We're at the ninety minute mark. Now, was there any things that you had written down that you wanted to touch on before we go? Yeah, so, you know,

I don't know. I guess. I guess the more most important thing to say it for me as we close for this is that if you are really seeking the truth on anything, whether it's you know, you be reading the Book of Enoch, because I know that there's a lot of you know, mixed opinions on that. If you know the earth is flat, any of those things that you you feel like you want to know the truth about, sincerely ask God for guidance and to open your eyes to the truth, and

he will. He will show you the truth. And be prepared because the truth is shocking on so many things, but He will show you the truth for sure. And and once you awaken to this once the veil has been lifted, right the Great Awakening, and you see the world around you, it's going to change everything. The skies filling look different, you know,

the trees look different. Life and self and itself looks completely different. Everything's brighter and newer and even more glorious than we thought it was before with God's creation. So, and I'm really thankful for your podcast, and I'm really thankful that you have people like me who's just to stay at home mom who's had a journey and is excited about the eye opening truth and your podcast is just an absolute wonderful outlet to get information and to hear people, and it's

a huge blessing. Well, I greatly appreciate it, and I've learned something from every single person that has ever been on, and everybody's just been an absolute joy. And I can't thank you enough for sharing your story. And I know you know every person who comes on it resonates with somebody out there and it gives them hope and it gives a courage. And your story, my goodness, the amount of you know, you're just a very strong individual,

and I want to thank you for joining the program. And shout out to your husband for all of you dones and for introducing you to the podcast. So a big shout out to him as well in your family and just God bless you and stay in touch. It's been a blessing to share this ninety minutes with you. Thank you, Jorge, thank you so much, and God bless you. Two really appreciate the time. Thank you and listeners. You may or may not have it two minute, but it has a

clip follow. I just need to double check and make sure it's the correct audio. Thanks again for your continued support. The Wrong podcast The flat Earth Files at gmail dot com and check out the website The flat Earth Files dot com. Don't forget David Weiss Live October eleventh, eight pm Eastern Time. God bless y'all. Keep your head on a swivel. Until the next time, my friends, we will see. The following is a clip from season

seven, episode six of Bonanza, Devil on her Shoulder. Gravity is something we can't see, but we know it's a great invisible force that keeps us all here on Earth. Some of you know what a magnet is, don't you? I do. I Well, then let's think of it like that. Gravity could be called a kind of magnet. It's a natural force that keeps us all from flying off into space. We were always till that the world is flat. You are told right, don't listen to her. I've

been patient with you, Sarah. Lord knows I've been patient. But now your words have revealed you. The law of gravity was discovered by Sir Isaac Newton in sixteen eighty seven. That's almost two hundred years ago, Uncle Evin, But there is only one law, the law of God. If our divine maker had meant for us to walk upside down, he would have put feet on our hands. Children, listen to me. Look around you, all around you, as far as the eye can see. The earth is

flat. Now you see it that way because that is the way the Lord intended for it to be. Anything else's heresy. That's good. But Uncle Evan Columbus proved the world wasn't flat by sailing around it. If he was sailing upside down, the water would have emptied into the sky. Why can't you accept it. It's a proven scientific fact, Sarah. What you speak is heresy. Our a divine maker intended us to walk upright, not upside down. We've had enough of the scientific nonsense of yours. School is over.

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