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to our special guest for this evening. He has a great YouTube channel and TikTok curbside chronicles, which I will have linked in the show description so you don't have to go searching for it. Just go to the show description and click on the links and you'll find his work there. He is Scott from Utah and Scott. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. How are you doing good? How are you doing good? Thank you for having Yeah,
thank you for joining us. And we were having a great conversation before the podcast. I'm like, well, we better hit the record button before we were a lot of things to talk about. We've talked about so much already, but it's great to have you on. And before we get into the conversation, please go ahead and introduce yourself to the audience. So,
yeah, my name's Scott. I'm currently in Utah. I'm not of flat earther and I think I explained that in the in the email I sent you, and then I'm also not religious, but I have been heavy into conspiracies since nine to eleven happened. And I mean, I've just sort of seen how everybody has kind of turned away from you know, the left wing used to be the people who were the nine to eleven people, and now the
world is just sort of turned upside down. It's getting pretty crazy, I'll tell you, man, it's insane to see how the world has I like to use the term phone off a cliff in the last twenty I guess this coming week is going to be twenty two years since this event happened, and you know, as we're just a few days away from nine to eleven as
we record this, we're recording on September the fifth. It is incredible the conversation I've been having with people, you know, how we kind of reminisce about the silliness of COVID, the masks, Like you would have to wear your mask to the table, you'd sit down, you take your mask off, but if you want to go to the bathroom, you have to put
your mask back on. Do you remember all the ridiculousness of COVID, Right, Yeah, no, it's and you know, for a lot of those people, they didn't have to work, right, I have two jobs. I'm eight to ten hours a day, six days a week. Like there's a difference between wearing your mask for four hours twice twice a week than being somebody who works out in the street. So like, I don't, I don't, I don't know. They're they're talking about bringing that back. I'm
hoping they're not going to. Well, it certainly looks like they're starting the propaganda because now the president's wife has it and they're already starting with the famous people who did I see today on social media whoopee Goldberg has it and they've declared COVID is back. Right, it was just the flu in the cold for the last one hundred years. Now it's god, it's they have an actual war, and that's you know interesting. There was the war on poverty,
war on drugs, the war on terrorism. And what they do is they take these terms. They don't define the enemy. Because if you don't define the enemy, you have a checkbook and you can just continue to write checks until they declare victory. Right. They don't give us this is what we want to accomplish. They just say war on terror and boom the military industrial complex. It gets rich for as long as they want to, right, Yeah, And it's it's weird how many people go along with it.
So I had a pretty, uh, pretty weird COVID story. Like from the beginning, I was a huge Alex Jones fan. During the recession, I lost my house, went into property management, was just taking whatever job I possibly could. So when COVID hit, I was I was one hundred percent all in, Like the first week it hit and I went to the store and stalked up right when they closed the schools down. This was way
before anybody else was wearing masks. I was double latex gloved, longsleeve shirt, fully face covered, like I took my clothes off in the garage when I got back. And then, you know, at that time, we were in Florida and we were working for a U haul, like a big, big U haul with office spaces, storage boxes, the whole nine yards. And we had some people who came in from New York and I asked them, Hey, what's going on with the freezer trucks full of bodies?
And those people essentially told me that, yeah, that's not happening. And I was still a little paranoid. But then the same thing was happening in Detroit. So when those people came they you know, moving to Florida, I asked them the same question and they said the same thing. Nothing was happening. So then my wife's mom got cancer and we moved back to Utah so we could be with her, and you know, drove through the whole country. Texas was actually shut down at that time. We had to avoid
Texas when we drove back because they weren't allowing people to cross through. We knew some yeah, we knew. One of our customers was a nurse who went to Texas and we had called them like right before the day that we were ready to move, and they told us, yeah, you got to kind of avoid that area. But then when we got to Utah, I got my old job back because we'd lived there before, and I essentially assembled
things for all the big box stores. So all the bikes, furniture, barbecue grills, patio furniture, Christmas trees, whatever the box stores need assembled, I assemble. And then you know that well, I mean from that first year until now. We moved right during the height twenty twenty. I think it was June or July when we moved. But when I got here, I was assembling stuff from Payson all the way up to Ogden, which is about sixty seventy miles. So they're at least forty to fifty different huge
box stores on you know, from one end to the other. And where do you go to get your medicine when you're sick. Yeah, you're going to go to like the Walgreens or Walmart or something like that. And not one of them got shut down. You've heard about all of these, you
know, they had to shut this school down, this company down. Not one Walmart got shut down, not one Smith's got shut down, not one home depot or Lows and that, you know, two months of that, and I was, I mean that that was like the one I'm not even afraid of this anymore. Yeah, it's amazing how how smart COVID was. It was able to avoid Walmart's and Amazon, but all the Mama Pops and the churches and this schools, it was just haveing for it. So they
had to shut all those down. Yeah. People, you know, people didn't see that, even the people that a lot of the people that work at Walmarts and these places, you know, some of them do. But for the most part, I had managers yelling at me to put my mask back on when they had closed the tire and lube sections down at all the Walmarts, and that's where they stuck me out there to build everything for myself. And yeah, i'd have some managers that would, you know, scream
at me to put my mask on. Gosh, in a closed room by myself. And I don't understand how people fall for to be honest with you, Yeah, there was nothing like driving down the road and seeing a car by, you know, a guy in his car by himself with a mask on. Just yeah, oh my. You know, we've we've had some people at these stores that are still wearing the asks. And the one thing I will say is I've noticed that a lot of them are younger. I
noticed that too. I told that to my friend just the other day when we went to Sam's Club, Like under thirty, we're wearing masks the old None of the older folks cared. Yeah. No, I think for some of the younger kids, I think it might be just like, you know, I'm not putting on makeup, or I'm hiding acne, or you know, I used to wear my mask when I had to plow snow outside. I will I did voluntarily wear my mask. I kept my face one sure. But I think some of these people it's just like a flag, you
know, to signify which side they're on. And some of them it's just like a laziness factor, maybe bad breath, acne. I don't know. I'm worried about I think if they bring it back as a singular attack, I don't think most people will fall for it. I'm kind of worried they're going to do either bring it back with more pressure. Is you know, it's interesting that you'd mentioned that, was it two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, when the economy kind of bottomed out. If I don't
know how people don't understand what's coming. I can't tell you that it's coming in the next six weeks or the next six months. But we're going to have a financial collapse of epic proportions, and I think they're either going to use that or a hot we're with Russia to bring in cbdc's, you know, the digital coins, digital dollar. And then the other thing is if it does go hot with the Russia, when you enter, if you're drafted,
if you're conscripted, you're getting the vaccine. So I think they're they're still on board with this because their most important thing is that very first rule on the Georgia guidestones, and they're they're all eugenics. Eugenists, however it's pronounced yeah, I don't. I mean I have kids that are coming of
age for the draft, and that scared the heck out of me. I mean, you know, I grew up turned eighteen and two thousand and three or two thousand and four and we were worried about the war in Afghanistan in Iraq, but like this is looking way worse than I mean, how many troops are still in Ukraine right now. We have a lot of troops in Ukraine. We still have I think two at least one brigade in Iraq, and it was That's what I just can't stand, is, you know,
they have these big events. We've we've left Iraq and was supposed to be two thousand and twelve, and we've always had troops there. We continue to we still have them. We have special ops. We have psyops in Ukraine that are overseeing the drones and they're assisting with the Patriot those guys. You can't just hand a patriot missile battery to people who have been just conscripted into
the military for two months and think that they're going to be able. And these Patriot mistile batteries you're talking if you've ever seen the size of the radars and everything that goes into it. There's contractors, there's special ops, there's you know, advisors. We have so many boots on the ground it's insane. And there's still people who think it's just the official narrative. It's just
a joke. Yeah, I've heard. I don't know if you listen to the No Agenda Show at all, but I mean that's kind of where, you know, I actually listened to the right and the left. So I've got my Ben Shapiro's and Matt Walsh's and then my Crystal and Saugers Decoy voice,
you know, both sides. But I I like the No Agenda Show kind of breaks down the news and they I mean, that's Adam Curry, the first ever, first ever podcast and he uh, you know, they got all the boots on the ground and they're saying National Guard is over there right now. So I mean, I don't know what to believe in that.
You know, Adam Curry was MTV news back in the day. It's hard to tell who you can trust, right But yeah, I try to get from a bunch of different sources, and that's figure out what's going on. Yeah, that's the best way to do it. Even Bill Cooper said, listen to everyone and discern for yourself. You know, what is true
and what is not. What makes sense to you the most. Now, going back to you'd mentioned that you've been in nine to eleven Truther since two thousand and three, which is pretty impressive because you know, you're talking a year and a half. It was there a certain you know, I don't remember the name of the documentary, but it was, you know, we
got our hands on that VHS tape that everybody else did. And then I mean, I don't remember if it was Chaney or Rumsfeld that came out the night before and said, we have seemed to have mislocated two point seven trillion dollars. Yeah, that was the Pentagon. Yeah. And then the next day that part of the Pentagon blew up. That was a little suspicious to me. I just put a coin in the coincidence jar for you. Yeah, that was Rumsfeld the day before. He came out, we just can't
find two point three trillion dollars. And then the young lady, she was a specialist in the army. She worked in the accounting firm, and she was there in the area where the missile hit, and she said, no, no smell of fuel, no no luggage, no seats, anything, And she literally walked out of the whole to go outside and just yeah, next thing over there. She she sees on the news that night it was
a plane and she's like, really, you don't say. And that video was on YouTube, but once again, like many of the other videos that are out there, it's extremely hard to find. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I we talked a little off parrots. You know, they're
even kind of rubbing and the birds aren't real thing. It's kind of crazy you can get out there with conspiracy theories and for whatever reason YouTube, I mean, I told you off air like they had blocked my channel for pretty like minor things, but for some reason, you know, bigger channels like Joe Rogan and Russell Brand and you know, I don't know if they're just too famous to take off the air without throwing up too many red flags.
But I don't. I don't know if you've ever read that book Party and Laurel Canyon or whatever. But oh yeah, Dave McGowan, Yeah, it goes over how the the hippie the hippie culture was created by the CIA, And I mean that would make absolute sense if you know, the Joe Rogan type shows and you know, Daily Wire and all these other things might be controlled opposition. I don't, I don't know, what do you you know, you can't prove any of this, but yeah, you gotta go with
your gun. And I can't recommend that book enough. I actually have two Dave McGowan interviews on the radio player that's on the website right now, and that was a terrible loss because that guy brought so much knowledge to me. When you found out that like every big group in the sixties, the Doors, the Mamas and the Papas, the Birds, on and on and on, all these people came from the same neighborhood, not even the same city, the same neighborhood and all of their parents, all of them were military
intelligence. What do you get when you tell people that, because I get a lot of like, I don't care. I like the music, you know, yeah, I get it's funny. I get a very like a flash of interest, like that's unique, that's cool, Like when people see a rainbow, Hey, that's neat school, and then it's onto the next thing. People don't understand that there's layers to these things, and for me, it was that nugget right that these people that there was nothing organic about
the sixties. And then you know, you turn you find out that Jim Morrison's father was responsible for the golf of Tonkin incident which led to the death of fifty eight thousand, you know, men and women and the number. You know, the numbers are just crazy with the civilians and everything else. And then for me, like in the eighties, I was a huge fan of the Police, right, that was my rock group. And you know, it turns out that the Stewart Copeland's father was one of the founders of
the OSS. So you know, these people are all put in place. There's nothing organic, and you know, it kind of trips you out because you realize that, you know, the whole thing, if I work hard enough and do this, do that, I can be put in positions of success. And I'm not saying you can't in some fields, you certainly can, but you know, the fact that you could be president or to be the top in the music industry. It's just you really learn that this is
all really just a giant stage with actors that are selected. Well, I don't know, like this is another nail in the coffin with the whole hippie movement. I don't know how much you know about the original skinhead movement, but it was started by Jamaican rude boys and the working class you know, lower class white factory workers, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the
race. They wore boots and shave their heads in protests of the hippies specifically, and then flash forward to mid seventies, late seventies, all of a sudden, they put a whole bunch of these neo Nazi groups in there and sort of, you know, change the whole dynamic of that. And that's like, that's something I knew about before I was even into conspiracy really like, yeah, no, I mean there are plenty of documentaries. I don't have any off the top of my head, but yeah, the original Uh,
that's why they listened to reggae. That's how SKA came about. It was Jamaican rude boys and the working class englishmen and then you know, traveled over here to America and then they you know, destroyed that within five or ten years, and and makes perfect sense when you think about, you know, these people go directly up against what we created. Yeah, so I'm sorry, go ahead it, I thought you're done. Well, No, it just might be an interesting topic for you to kind of research on your
own. Yeah, that that that's very interesting because I do kind of remember the late seventies movement in in London because even then I liked music in the late seventies and the clash started to become a big thing in the late seventies, and they had that, you know, the black boots, the black jackets, and they were either completely shaved or they had mohawks, and that was more of like a middle finger two the government movement that I recalled,
and then it would not surprise me, Like you said, it makes its way over to the United States, and what do you reckon that the FBI or the CIA infiltrates it and they start pushing the neo Nazi movement or do you think there was just some What are your thoughts on that? Well, I see, I'm not not very good with the names. I know. I think it was a dude out of Kentucky, but he was a klansman
and that's basically where the first neo Nazi skinhead group came out of. But yeah, I mean if you listen to a lot of like sixties seventies skinhead music like Ski the Rex or whatever, I mean that most of them are black hoots and the matels like it was, it was a totally different thing
and there are still sins out there who are traditional skins. And then they have the sharp skinhead movement, which is skinheads against racial prejudiced and then you know, skinheads will call Nazi skins bone heads, and I mean this is dated back since the eighties, but mainstream view on this is, you know, these are all a bunch of racist people, even though like the biggest, the biggest skinhead movements right now are in Brazil and Tokyo. So really,
I don't know how racist you can be. I know they are kind of using some of them go ahead, they did naturally kind of like, uh, you know, the the original black and white skinheads did sort of go against the past Pakistanis that were coming in. That was more of an immigration thing, taking the work and thropping wages and stuff. But it wasn't
it wasn't like a racial thing that they would paint the picture of. What was There a certain conspiracy that you've seen over the last twenty years that you kind of took personally and that you've spent more time on than any other particular one. I I don't know, like the moon landing one for sure, but the COVID like, yeah, that's that one. That nailed the coffin shut for me. I don't know the moon landing though, you know that
one is barely obvious for normal people to get. I would think that does not pass the sniff test whatsoever. Yeah, no, and it's I mean we know that jury besment Off. I don't remember his last Yeah, I mean that was all Where did he put that huge camera? It's little thing. How did we get through the Van Allen belt? We haven't been able to do it and went like thirty However many years we're still planning on it. And that was one of the there's another strike I got or shadow bann
or whatever. But I with the moon landing. It was the Artemis one launch. I did a man on the street and asked people about that. You know, I did find one or two people that I thought it was a little suspicious. But have you heard anything about Artemis lately? No. The last thing that I've heard was there still a go for What's really interesting is last time I looked, I haven't looked in a couple of weeks, but it was scheduled for like November fourth, which is like either a day
prior or the day of the election. Like, is this going to be the big distraction. Yeah, it could be. Is that the man's mission? Yes, yes, sir, well that could be the distraction man, right, you know, a couple astronauts pass away or yeah, like a challenge or two point zero right, yeah. Do you think that was Do you think they were trying to cover anything up? It was. It was a lot easier to cover stuff up in the eighties and the nineties than it
is now. For sure. In what was that eighty six or eighty seven when that happened. Back then, we only had a handful of channels on cable, so maybe twenty four twenty five, so things were much more controlled. And I think at that point the hearsts and still the newspaper We were still doing newspapers back then, and they were primarily controlled by the same people
for the most part. Now, when I did my research, NASA was really struggling with finances in the mid eighties and like they were getting overlooked when it came a budget time, so I think they needed to be seen. And again I don't think anybody was on that on the rocket, but the very next day they were awarded a three billion dollar contract. And this is in nineteen eighty six or seven when it happened. So that was a huge
amount of money for the military industrial company. That's who that's who gets the contracts for NASA is the military industrial complex. And you don't want to be the senator saying no to a bill where all these people just got killed. In every child you know in school witnessed. You're not going to be the bad guy. So we got like approved unanimously within a couple of days, and all these contracts and you know NASA was back and running. Yeah,
I mean that makes sense. Funding. What do you think about all this UAP stuff going on. I mean, I don't think it holds a whole lot of water, But what do you think. I think it's I think it's hilarious that nobody cares. I think if this was in the eighties, and I think if it was in the eighties or nineties, people would be
like glued to their TVs. But I think I keep going back to this, but man, I will tell you, Scott, I think that they played they overplayed their COVID hands so bad that nobody, I would say seventy percent of the country just doesn't believe anything the government says anymore. Yeah, yeah, no, I don't. I don't know. You know, I'm on the Paranormal podcast, but I'm I'm the skeptic out of the group.
And I just I mean the trials, first off, it's all hearsay, and they keep labeling this guy as a whistleblower, but he's you know, he's still working, he's not a whistle blower, didn't lose his job, he's not in hiding like snowdon I don't know. Kind of made me believe a little less, to be honest with it, kind of makes me think that they're trying to go full Project blueby that absolutely, and that's been something in the work since the eighties. And again, right, the whistleblowers,
the real whistleblowers get thrown in jail. It just like some of the names that you just said. And this guy is being propped up and being allowed to speak in Congress. And if if I remember correctly, it was like the same day the Hunter Biden trial was going, So I think it was a little bit of sleight of hand. And Freed what's his name, the guy who did the the cryptocurrency scheme. Oh yeah, that kid with the curly hair. Yeah, it was the same time that he got all of
his charges dropped or five of his charges dropped. That it was that was crazy his name. Do you see any hope you know? Is there hope going forward? Is there hope going forward? It depends what you describe as hope. So here's you can you can kind of have it on different layers, Like as a religious person, there's hope for eternal life. But and this is like something I struggle with is at the same time, I don't want to turn things over to my children, grandchildren the way things are now.
The thing I struggle with is the people who've been put in power have built this brick wall around them to where they are untouchable. And there is a great article that I'm actually going to be sharing on my other podcast, and it talks about how nine to eleven was really just the setup and that nine eleven was then excuse me, January six was the nail in the coffin.
And I've been saying this for a long time. I don't think people understand how big of a PSI up and how detrimental it is to the freedom of our country. And people don't also realize November twenty nineteen, that Adam Shift guy. They had the Patriot Act two point oh get passed while everybody
was hearing the stories of the coming COVID this They're always distracting you. There was another like Patriot at two point zero to bring even more tyranny upon us, which coincidentally, you know, you saw the technical tyranny like you and I have both experience on our YouTube channels. I mean, here you are talking about the moon landing, which is nothing more than a water cooler conspiracy,
and you're getting strikes for that. When you have Russell Brand who literally has a thirty three tattoo on his arm or his hand, and he talks about things that are ten times as outright, he just nothing happens to him. Yeah, and you know, I mean, like playing Devil's advocate for a lot of these people, I would like to think, like maybe they're just too big to shut down. You know, they kicked Tucker Carlson off a Fox, but then he goes on the Twitter or x or whatever it's
called and he's raking in the numbers. It's just so hard to know what is controlled up position nowadays. Yeah, I mean, I guess it always was technically you know, the hippie generation. They didn't they didn't know. But you know, money, money corrupts or power corrupts absolutely. But who who do you trust? Do you trust any news outlets? You know?
I've come to the realization that if somebody's on the world stage, whether it's Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones or you know the folks on YouTube, the big names and I'm talking about you know, like Russell Russell Brand, I don't trust them. But that doesn't mean I won't listen to him, because I do know that the enemy uses these people for disclosure, to kind of let
you know it's coming. That's why when Alex Jones said a couple of weeks ago that they were bringing back masks in October and by December everything he'll be back to the way it was in twenty twenty, I took heed to that, because they use these people to disclose what's coming. At the same time, I realize he's controlled by Strat four, which is like two blocks away from him in Austin. And you see guys like Jeremy Brown, who we've had on the podcast a few times, on the other podcast, who just
showed up to January sixth. Then he didn't want to be he didn't want to work for the FBI. He said no, and he released the video and he got hemmed up and he's in jail for seven years. And all these other guys and grand moms who were just rotting in jail for just the dumbest stuff when during the summer of twenty twenty, entire cities were burned down and just nothing to see here. It's it's complete bizarro world. So do you think like without because I got into Alex Jones back in like two thousand
and seven, two thousand and eight, the recession hit. I was in La County, California at that time, and that like really hit towards the end of two thousand and seven. Yeah, and that's you know kind of when I when I got into it, and I wish I would have bought the bitcoin back then. I can tell you that my dad and my wife talked me out of it. Could have put ten bucks, could have put
ten bucks in that. But do you think that's just a slow drip to kind of get the other half on the other controlled side, or are you talking about like the Alex Joneses. Yeah, like Alex Jones back in two thousand in the eight there's no censorship. Nobody's really going after him at that time. You know, he's kind of under the radar. Do you think that was planned out? Man? That's see, that's the thing I struggle
with also. But I have friends who tell me, like, well, there's literally no other way he would have been able to get into in two thousand when he got into that place in California. I don't know why not having a brain cramp right now, but with a big owl in the Mola. Yeah, the little thing where Reagan and all the people going have their They burn the effigy and they chant and do all this other stuff. They
make it out like a shell. It's just a rich guy's place. We hang out and have a couple of beers, but they everybody knows it's a club where they do some some crazy stuff. It's I don't know if once again, this is something that stored at started out as organic and they get hijacked because it's not difficult for the people who have the power that they have to correct to people. They can do it in so many different ways. Because people are weak, they can buy them off. People will do insane
things for half a million dollars, insane things. They will sell out for money, right for sure. Yeah, and then there's you know, I've heard stories of politicians being escorted into rooms and they witness just insane things and they kind of look at him and say, you're going to do what we tell you or that's you. And then of course there's Epstein. He was
used. He was used to corrupt politicians. That's why when you say why in the world is the Republicans not doing what's because they've been corrupted and they don't work for you. And then that's just the truth. Well, this is a you know, that whole Epstein didn't kill himself thing was going around during the height of COVID, And that's always the thing I've said, is this guy owned islands. He had dirt on everybody. I don't think he's
dead. His brother and one other person saw his dead body. There were two security guards that weren't paying attention, Like there are four people in total that could have been paid off, so this guy could have flown to his next island. I mean the same with the d DHL guy, right, like she died in a plane crash, did he. I mean all the money in the world, all the power, I don't know U. Yeah, and his what's the name of his cohort Gaus Lane Maxwell. Yeah,
we're not interviewing. Yeah, and her dad was one of the most powerful Massad agents in the world and he This is what just gets me so upset. And people just don't understand how our education system is so corrupted when there's entire other countries that control our education system. You know, this guy was Massad worked for Israel, and he owned mcgrawl Hill Books and that was like
the number two company in America that provides the textbooks in America. That's why, like no high school student has ever heard of the USS Liberty incident. Yeah, I mean I remember mcgrawl boats. Yeah, absolutely, and this this massad agent from Israel owned the company. Yeah. I just I don't see, Like I said earlier when I first came on, I'm not I'm not an atheist by any means, but I'm not religious and I don't see a lot of hope going forward. Yeah, it's go ahead, and sorry,
well I just don't I don't know what to do with that. You know. It's like my uncle was a manager of a produce department. My other uncle was the manager of the meat Delhi. My neighbor across the street was a manager of a produce department. They all had owned their house, they had two cars, Christmases, the whole shooting match, and now we have zombies on fentanyl in the middle of every city. It's even hitting Utah, Like I don't, everybody's living paycheck to paycheck. It's just such a
different world AI coming out the government doing what they're doing. I don't not a lot of hope. Do you think that part of the reason where we are today as a society is because we've never nipped the corruption in the bud and we just allowed it to happen. Absolutely. Yeah. I think at the end of the day, everybody, you know, there's just not enough time in the day to do anything about it. And now we're at a point where, you know, how how do you organize on the internet that's
not happening. The guy's going to show up, right, Yeah, So I mean that's that's part of the problem too. How how do you stop it? I don't personally think Trump's the option, Oh no, I don't think Robert F. Kennedy's the option or the bake or like, well, we need to have literally like Scott from Utah or George from Delaware or Bob from New Hampshire. And we've always championed elites and they don't care about us. So why do we continue to put our hopes on people who we don't
know, who are in a completely different stratosphere than us. Yeah, and you know, they it's funny because they yell about this every election cycle, and they'll yell about this in this new election cycle. But you know, they say Trump didn't or Trump got more votes or whatever. But it's down to the electoral college, no matter what, It's always been down to the electoral college. Now, I know Trump is the first one who is kind
of disputed that the electoral college. He could have put the other people in there. But you know, your vote has never really mattered. No, They've voted one hundred and seventy six times against the electoral college, so I mean, it's never been a deciding vote, but it could be. There's no law against it. Yeah, I think, and I've come to learn and to believe for myself that politics is just another tool they used to divide us. As long as they keep us divided, we can't get together and
turn the microscope on them. And it's it's really crazy because you know, people, no matter what culture, race, ethnicity you are, like, people pretty much want the same thing. They want to go to work, they want to come home to their family, and they just want to live their life. But other people have always had bigger plans than that. So for sure, you're on a paranormal podcast. Let me ask you this question. Do you think the people at the top of the food chain do you
subscribe to the reptilian theory? Like David Ike? I don't. I personally don't know. I you know, I did that. I did that birds not birds aren't real video just to be funny, like that whole movement was started as a joke. It was a kid who thought of the first three words that came to his mind, wrote a sign, and then took off and he made it. You know, maybe controlled opposition. I just think the kid got lucky with the David Ike stuff. I mean, does Hillary
Clinton drink adreno cream? Maybe? But the reptilian I don't fall into, do you, uh No, not particularly all. I have shaken Hillary clinton hand and it is cold and clammy like a ratile, so I wouldn't be shocked. But no, I don't. You know. It's when you hear these type of things for the first time, it's intriguing and you kind of jump into it and read it. And then just like when like I heard Flat Earth Dave talking about there's land beyond the ice walls and I was like,
oh wow, that's really interesting. Then you realize, well, that would require additional sons and everything else, so I kind of backed off. That's I'm not telling his that's his opinion. But there's a lot of these things, the bird ones I never understood well, and there's some there's still some people today that are very passionate about it. I'll get a email once every six or eight weeks, Hey, bro, have you heard about this? I'm just like, no, Well, for anybody who is like believing
that's listening. Like I did that video and I'll tell you, every Gen X to millennial knows what it is and they kind of play along. It made for a very fun on video. But I, you know, I totally support that kid, you know, for sure starting a fake cause, you know, like a fake protest. It drives me insane. I would
consider myself a old school liberal, not a new liberal for sure. But the whole freedom of speech thing that they're trying to ban is I do not know how they've changed liberals into marks pro war, anti freedom of speech, yelling at people like it used to be live and let live, you know. I don't know how they turned everything on its head like that. That's the thing that's most surprising to me. Yeah, I'm not sure. If you're familiar with a guy named Jimmy Dore who's on YouTube, Yeah, I've
listened to a couple of his. Yeah, that's the classic liberal no word in anti military industrial complex, freedom of speech, and he's just like, what is happening? This is not like the movement. Definitely better than Bill mahrk because it's like, oh yeah, yeah, Bill maher. You listen to his stuff and he he's just has these Trump blinders on where he sees red. I don't. I don't know TDS for sure, but then again, that's all when you hear Trump, that's just to pull the devise,
you know, dividing conquered. And people are still like, he got arrested? Was it? Two? Three? Weeks ago now, the end of third week August or something. He made seven million dollars in donations in twenty four hours and then he spent it all on his legal funds. Yeah, which is uh, you know, I don't know. I know a lot of people that think he's gonna win, but I mean, what are his
core case is looking like during the election cycle? You know, And I know a lot of people have swapped over to his side, but I mean, this is just the start of what they're gonna do. I don't I don't know, you know, Trump might be probably is controlled opposition. He was an old for sure New York Democrat back in the nineties and early two thousands. But I don't know. I just tell everybody, look at everybody
who put in his cabinet. He came in saying two things. He said, I'm going to arrest Hillery and then I'm going to drain the swamp. And like the first week he was in the office, I'm not going to arrest Hillery. She's a friend, she's good, right. And then Bill Barr Christopher Ray Wilbur Ross, who was literally an agent for the Rothschild's company, who was a Democrat for like sixty years woke up in twenty seventeen and said, I'm feeling Republican today, and he was installed as the Secretary of
Commerce. I believe it's just it's just a game. It's it's just a script. And him and Elon Musk, all these people at the top, they're just actors on a world stage. And whether or not they're agents of the CIA or something bigger that, I'm not one hundred percent sure. The Elon Musk thing kind of drives me crazy because you know, there's a lot of people on the right who think he's like the savior figure. It's embarrassing,
man, these people. You know, he went from a guy who was talking about transhumanism and everybody on the right hated him, and then he just changed character like WWE and he's a good guy now. And it's disgusting to me because he took Tesla's name and ran with it, and that's an embarrassment in itself. Well, he's he's taken every company he's ever owned his name. Like he didn't actually invent PayPal. He was some sort of donor, right, and like you got a kind of wonder where's all this money
coming from? And now with his SpaceX, Like how much funding is he getting from the US government for SpaceX and you think like he's going against them. I don't. I don't know, you know. I mean, it is possible that he made so much money that now he's just doing whatever he's doing. I don't believe that though. I think he's installed to play the game, some South African guy that nobody had ever heard of, and then
he just rose to the top. He seems a little suspicious. And his Twitter picture is like he's wearing like Moloch into this evil type of uniform on he's not even hiding it. Yeah, I mean, like I said, it's just not a lot of hope, not a lot of hope out there. Yeah, it's it can be depressing. That's why I've kind of backed off. You know. Back in the day, I was, you know, we just need to go down to DC and protests, and they got
ahead of it. They knew people were gonna be there're always one step ahead. They did January six, and now nobody in the right mind is going to go down there because they don't want to be tossed in the gulag. So I've focused my energy on the governor and that guy will not return a phone call and not even an email. And I even started with the old I'm an old, grizzled veteran and you know, seven deployments. He still
won't even take thirty seconds to acknowledge my existence. And that's when people need to realize that. You know, there's the famous quote. When people fear the government, there's tyranny, and when the government fear the people, there's freedom. And we are at the point now where the government is this hawk green giant and we the people are little ants. Really is where the power is right now? Well, this is like kind of a more left wing
question I've got for you. But you know what, were there like one hundred and sixty six people, one hundred and sixty nine that signed the Declaration of Independence? Do you happen to know that off the top of your head? I know it's around now. I'm finding it now. I know this because just a little while I was doing a podcast and there was one guy who when he signed it, he only no, it's only fifty six signatures.
And that's I should remember that because it was a Jesuit. Number fifty six is a big, big Jesuit number, but one of the guys kind of signed it not his full name, because that's basically, when he signed the Declaration of Independence, you were committing treason. Yeah, So they came back to him, they're like, no, you put your full name on there. So he did. But I'm sorry, what was your question?
Well, they were like Sam bad with the numbers of the names. But there were eight or nine people who actually fought Revolutionary War, and you know, George Washington was one of them who signed the Declaration of Independence. But then a lot of those people, after we won the Revolutionary War went back
to England and you know, they had trade routes and everything else. I kind of I'm more on the conspiratorial level that maybe the founding of our country was started off to you know, better people's lives, maybe break away from
the crown, the church, whatever. But I think it's always been elites who have been in control personally, So for sure, I've I don't think it's a coincidence that the Illuminati started May first, seventeen seventy six, and you know, sixty three days later, you know, we did the Declaration of Independence on July fourth, And it's not a coincidence that George Washington was more proud of being a Freemason than he was being in the president. You
can look at his memorial it says Freemason first, President second. So I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that the story of how our country came to be was maybe a bit of a stretch to say it's it's a big question. Anytime Freemasons are involved, that's got to be a big
flag. And so much of our history is a lie. I think I said it on this story, right, yea, his story, and it's it's the story of the victors, those who control the books, like Robert Maxwell, right, and a lot of I don't know if I said it on this podcast, but Abraham Lincoln was the most tyrannical president in our history. Like it's not even close. There's nobody a close second. He locked up his own citizens, like twenty thirty thousand of them. He put out
a warrant for a Supreme Court justice. He closed on hundreds, if not thousands, of newspapers if they spoke bad about him. He sent off his cronies to shut down the newspapers. And this was really the first time where you saw what we see today, where if you go against the machine, you get canceled, you get shut down and even arrested. So this kind of thing is not new. It's been going on for like one hundred and
sixty years. So do you think, you know, like back when they started this country, but even if it was started on a lie, I still think there was more not respect, but you know, they wanted the normal person to do a lot better than they want us to do now.
Like I kind of think we're at the point now with the social credit scores and these COVID vaccines where everybody's dying suddenly, where they actually kind of believe in that population number for their green agenda, where they're trying to you know, have fifteen minutes cities for the worker bees to do what needs to be done, and they don't really care as much about human life as maybe they
did back then. I would agree with that for sure. In order for this country to succeed as no as it was, it would have taken all the individuals to succeed, and things weren't as easy then as now, so it took everybody to kind of work to build a community, to collect firewood. Right, they didn't have microwaves, they didn't have All their ovens were
wood burning. So in order to get through the day, if you just sat on your behind, you wouldn't need So it did take the work of many to feed and to bring on, you know, as you got through the eighteen hundreds with the industrial revolution and then cars and everything else, it did take everyone, and they did want people to succeed. However, post World War Two, when that mission was accomplished, I think that's that's when
the CIA got ramped up. That's when NATO got ramped up, the United Nations, and that is the day in nineteen forty eight is when they started this globalist agenda. So it's been, in my opinion, about seventy five years in the making. So what do you make of the whole Like the nineteen fifties nuclear family thing, what was that just like an advertisement kind of
a promise. This is what it could be lasted probably untill about you know, I mean, I know there were a couple of recessions or whatever until the seventies, but maybe until the nineties. Like life was kind of good for the modern nuclear family to an extent. But why do you think they did that just an advertisement to keep the worker bees going. Yeah, I think they wanted to keep the worker bees going. And I think it was also I think they did, in a certain weird way, went a reward
the people for the work they did for World War two. So they wanted people to come home happy after all the struggle and sacrifice. And they are the controllers, are boiled the frog type of people. They're not going to change anything overnight. So they came back. There was success, and again it was probably I started to notice it in the early nineties. NAFTA was a huge blow to this country. Yes, everybody always says, how do
we fix this country? And it's the easiest question. You bring back manufacturing, it's the easiest thing. I remember Lebron James talking about the things he
was doing for Los Angeles. He was donating this and I said, in whatever social media like, nobody cares about what I said, But I said, if you want to save the city, just close up the shops in the Philippines and China and have your shoes made right in Los Angeles, and maybe just maybe don't take as much money from night because I'm thinking you probably have enough money to get by now, and if you really want to make a difference, it's that easy. Just bring manufacturing back, and people don't
realize it's insane. In logistics, we now have something called just in time logistics. We don't have these huge warehouses anymore. Like grocery stores don't keep six months worth of stock. They have it set up to when that last loaf of bread is sold that that new bread shipment is coming in that morning. So what happened with COVID when these justin time logistics got interrupted, That's
why you saw the shortages on the shelves. And if we go into a hot war with Russia and China joins with them, I mean, the shortages are going to be just unfathomable. Because we've outsourced so much of our manufacturing, our TVs, our computers to China. Well, nobody ever brings that back. You know, with this whole fent and al crisis of the homeless prisis whatever you want to call it. And if it's a fentol crisis, but you know, you can give these people all the money in the world
and it's it's not going to fix the problem. There's still no hope at the end of the day. And I mean I was kind of guilty of that. So I got kicked out of my house. When I was seventeen and I joined the carnival. I convinced one of my buddies to join a carnival with me, Shipton and Show's carnival. We traveled across California about to go to North and South Dakota, and I mean that was the guy was
ripping this off for sure, right. We got paid twenty eight dollars a day and then set up and tear down, which took two to three days out of the week. That was your bonus at the end of the year. So every day he would give you twenty dollars a day to live on and we ended up owning money. And I you know, we we hitchhike
to San Francisco and I was one of these people. I mean, I you know, we were doing drugs on the street party and I've actually been arrested with the anarchist Black Block, been in protest with the Anarcho Green Anarcho Red. I started a food not bombs. I've been there. It's changed a heck of a lot, but we had that same sort of mentality back in the early two thousands where it was like, you know, what is
what is the point of this? And now I think the people that are out there now, especially the young kids, you know, you get like sucked into punk rock or any type of anarchism. It's like, now you see your parents who are really struggling. My parents were baby boomers, and I saw them, you know, working all the time just to keep up with it. But now it's like you you see your parents working non stop and they're constantly behind, and you're constantly moving from state to state wherever the
work is, and there's a recession, a depression. It's just non stop. And I think that's where a lot of a lot of these people on the street are just stuck in this mentality where it's like, do I work at Walmart? Because stones in the world you can't afford to buy a one bedroom apartment working at a Walmart, you know, And that has absolutely everything to do with the fact that we do not produce anything in this country. There's no you know, unless you're making it on the internet or a stock
trader. For the average man. Even construction, you know, I work five years in construction. The last year, there were five different companies. They all went out of them. We had this big corporation that came in and took all the work from us. I've been doing the property management for ten years, five different companies. They've all sold to a bigger company and higher hourly workers, and they cut the hours to like, you know, four hours a day, three days a week. It's I just don't see
a lot of hope for people trying to make it. And I totally understand the whole the whole FENTONOL crisis. It's it's more of a Okay, if I get clean, what do I do do I work at Walmart and have a roommate in a one bedroom apartment. You know, I don't you need the manufacturing to fix that problem. You need us to build stuff. Yeah, And that goes back to your question about the fifties and sixties and seventies. All my friends parents, they worked at Chrysler building cars. We had
a Chrysler plant in town where everybody worked at They had DuPonts. A bunch of people worked there. I mean, we manufactured things in our hometown in Delaware. And then in the seventies, towards the end of the seventies, they just disappeared and everybody all the banks are incorporated here. That's what kind of saved our state. So, I mean half the people in the state worked for Barclays or or City Bank or because they they headquartered here, because
of all the tax breaks they get. But it was sad to see all the card manufacturers and those type of things just kind of close out and now they're Amazon warehouses. Yeah. I don't know. I mean my parents would talk about how you know, everybody owned their own business. And I remember, you know, I was at some protests when I was a younger kid against Walmart's coming in. Now we have Amazon shutting down the Walmarts. It's like, what do you do with that? Yeah, it's like most people
either work for the government, Amazon, or like Walmart. That's like half of them. No, keep going. I'm sorry now, just because that's like half the workforce. The federal government is the largest employer in the country, and then Amazon and Walmart and the less choices you have, the worst it is for the worker. And we saw how it went for Greece, you know, ten years ago. Oh my goodness for the government. But people they still want to increase the size of the government. And look at
Venezuela. They were piles of piles of cash in the streets. It was useless. Yeah, I mean, that's happened. That hyper inflation. That's you know, that one of the things Alex Jones got wrong. But it's happened to a lot of places. Yeah, and so I gotta be careful. We're reckless with our debt. Just just yesterday, you know, September fourth into September fifth, our country went another thirty nine billion dollars in debt overnight, one night, thirty nine billion dollars in debt. And just keep
unrolling along. Yeah. I mean, man, I'm just doing this podcast. I'm getting like less hopeful, and we're here to cheer you out, folks. What's next. I wouldn't touched flat Earth yet. Yeah. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions, and this one is this one is actually you can even This question is whether it's a ball, whether or not it's a ball or flat Do you think that there is land within this realm, whether it be a globe or flat earth, that they control that
we don't know of. So that's that's actually how I kind of well, so I did the whole hollow Earth thing, you know with the Green Children. I don't know if you know, that's like more of a paranormal thing. The two green children that came out of the cave in some Austrian country and the brother died, the girl ended up making it forever. And then there's a you know, a bunch of a bunch of Indian or Native American tribes that believe in the hollow Earth and everything. But I always kind of
saw it as just more of like a fun thing to think about. But then that's how I actually start listening to your podcast, was my sister is a non religious flat earth and from what I've gotten, they believe, I mean, she's David like reptilians like they are. They are full blown David Ike. But you know, I ran out of podcast to listen to, so yours was the first one I listened to, and then I had heard
some stuff. I guess the first thing would be the the first thing that kind of made sense was the fact that our earth is spinning so fast and the gravitational poll is the same no matter where you are, right, so like, if the Earth is spinning, you would imagine the gravity at the equator would be a lot different than the gravity at the That was the first thing that kind of turned me onto it. Another thing I started to think about was I got this written down here. So the Earth is two one
hundred and thirty nine thousand miles away from the moon. Yeah, but then the Moon is ninety three million miles away from the Sun, and you can kind of see, you know, I mean there are days, specific months and everything where the Sun is I don't know from our distance four inches away from the moon, and the moon is half full, and then you think to yourself, like is the Earth reflecting half of the light onto the Moon? Like? How how is that lit up? Right? So I mean
that that one was a real big stumper. I think I thought of that one after I listened to the podcasts. I don't think I heard that on one of the shows I listened to. But I think, if while you're talking about the moon, if I could just mention it real quick before I forget was going back to the moon landing and how they described the moon as this big rock, it's dusty, and then when you look at the sky, it looks nothing like a big dusty rock. Yeah, I know,
the moon, the moon landing. I could go on for days. I mean, you should probably start a moon landing podcast because that is let's get buzz Aldron on the show. How people go for that? I don't know that that's got a lot of hours of content to watch disproving. Did you have a thought of why they did it? I mean, you don't buy the whole just too so we could say we did it first, right I
kind of did. Yeah, Like that's kind of what I thought. Like Russia puts out this, you know, obviously fake video, right then America did what what do you think the why do you think they did it? Or? I guess that's more for like a religious purpose, right, Well, that's part of it. It is again part of the deception of heliocentrism which has been going on. Really they started the pushback during the Reformation, and I think people don't really realize what the Reformation was. You know what
the Reformation is what we need today. We need that kind of revolution, you know, that's really what we need. Martin Luther is kind of a hero to me, but but I also believe it's very much part of the black ops in the military. Industrial Complex one hundred percent. Because I've said many times, if you go on you look at a contract for NASA, it's not like going to Lows where you spend five dollars on a bolt because it has to be specially designed and it has to be coded with this it's
just an absolute cash cow. Thirty bolt, Yeah, thirty dollars and just I will tell you for me. Well, I don't want to get there yet. We're still talking about the moon landing, but it is to me, it's multifaceted, it's want it's the deception number two maybe was it? You know, we had the hippies. That was a pretty big distraction from from Vietnam. And then would you say that that was maybe part of a
distraction from Vietnam to make the government look good for a minute. Yeah, no, absolutely, And well, like what do you think the Vietnam War was fought over? I personally think it was opium. Yeah, it was drugs, of course, Yeah, just like Afghanistan, Yes, exactly. And I actually when I was working at that U Haul, I worked with a lady your name was Carrie, and she was actually one of the guards
that guarded the the poppy fields out there and she was wondering. I mean, this was like right at the beginning of the war, and you know, we're looking for weapons of mass destruction and Saddam Hussein she was out there garden plants and that was one of the things she was curious. Yeah, my commander lost his mind. And I think it was the spring of two thousand and six when they had Operation I can't remember what it's called Swarmer.
Swarmer. We had our guys go down in a helicopter. They were okay, it was a hard landing. But so the CIA was kind of running that operation and it would get pushed down to our brigade, back down to our commander and like this is your target, and we would go and it would be like a farm and like an eighty year old woman running the farm and they're like, can you know what's going on? The translator be like and then he would get another call go here. It was the biggest distraction.
It was just to let the American people know that we were doing this big mission and we were catching the bad guys while we were harvesting their oil. That's all it was. And my commander got very pissed off. Was even about day six, He's like, this is bullshit. What are we doing here? I mean, you're sending us to farms to to just it's it's a goose chase just to make a news story. I mean, that's kind of a personal question. I don't know if you've ever been asked on
the show, but do you regret like joining the military? No, no, no, no, no. I don't regret anything I've done in my life now because number one, I never did anything against my moral compass, and I was a good soldier. I was knowledgeable, and I think God put me there to help, you know, bring people home safely. And no, I don't now with that being said, my children and my grandchildren are joined the military, if I have anything to say about it, But
I'm not. I'm not a big regret guy, to be honest with you. And I think that whole journey is part of the reason I have some of the knowledge and the wisdom I do today. I'm able to see the world the way I do. I really can. I know how it operates because I've been there. Well, yeah, nod was it twenty or twenty two years? I did h nineteen years active, five years in the Guards, which they gave me a year. So it was twenty four years of
service, twenty active and seven tours. You know, I did a desert storm, I was in the Balkans, and then four tours of Iraq, and then I did nine months in Kuwait with a Patriot battery in my last deployment. Yeah. Man, that's uh, that's I don't remember something to be proud of. But it's like, you definitely accomplished some stuff. It's rough, it's rough, but I definitely saw how this government operates. I
I was. I did some contracting as I got, you know, as I advanced in the ranks, and I saw the ridiculous numbers that were just being pushed. And then, you know, you find out that Paul Bremer missing nine billion dollars, just not a blink of the eye. And if a soldier misplaces something, they take it up out of his paycheck. And this guy's making you know, he's deployed down range getting shot at and he's
making three thousand dollars a month. And when you're working seven days a week, sixteen hours a day, soldiers make mistakes and they take it out of his paycheck. And then you have these guys at the top of the food chain that are losing money still, and just it gets you a little upset, especially once you come out to the other side and realize how the world works, especially when you have buddies who have been lost and injured, and
it is very frustrating and angry, that's for sure. And that's part of the reason why I do what I do is just to kind of say, hey, this is how it works. Beware if you do decide to go that route. It's admirable to want to volunteer and protect your country, but it's the people at the top of the food chain are they should take the late the sign off the Pentagon and it should say Department of Offense, not Defense. Well, yeah, you know, you've definitely earned your way to
where you're at. No, I mean not a lot of other people talking about conspiracies out there have served as long as you've had in so well, Like I said, it's all part of the journey, and I think I needed the knowledge. I wouldn't been able to present my information the same way if I didn't have that knowledge. And you know, it's it becomes personal, and I think that gives me the motivation to work harder at it.
I interviewed a guy last Saturday, which is just three days ago. His father was a firefighter on the forty fourth floor of Tower one when it collapsed, and it's number one. It's very moving, but number two you realize, you know, we as conspiracy theorists, we talk about the plane no plane theory, we talk about all these other direct energy weapons, and but at the end of the day, he said, it doesn't matter, you
know, the buildings. The only thing that mattered to him was he eventually found out that he had another firefighter, like fifteen years later, say, you know, your dad was in the building. W the explosions went off. It wasn't the plane, And that's when he kind of woke up. So he's hipped everything. But he just doesn't get embellished in the things like we kind of do with was it you know, was it thermo nanite?
Was it this? Because at the end of the day, that's what happened, And the most important thing to him is that we need to find the people responsible for it. Whatever way they carried it out. That's we'll have a conversation later. But it's frustrating to him. It's personal to him that you know, he lost a family member and you know his obviously his life flipped. He was thirteen when it happened, and then it flipped again when he found out his own country was behind it. Yeah, yeah, I
know that. I don't know. I think if I was in your shoes, I probably would have flipped the exact opposite way and ended up in Portland, there's Seattle or wherever. So it's good that you're you know, if I was single, maybe, but you know, when you got wife and children, these it's just uh yeah, it's it's a different stratosphere. So the one thing I was very curious about with the flatter was the math. And I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that in in the email. But so I'm
in Utah. I have Utah Lake. It's the biggest non man made lake west of the Mississippi. So I've got twenty four miles across, and then I've got the the Great Salt Lake, which is seventeen miles across. And I was wondering if I could, like I've never really you know, been confirmed on the math. Can I set up a telescope and something to like how far do you have to be to see the curvature. Well, there's
a calculator. We could certainly do it. But I would say instead of doing a and we have a lot of listeners in Utah, but I think the smart thing to do would be to use a laser. I think you'd be better off using a laser. Now, obviously I don't know how much it cost, but most people who do those type because the most recent test was I think it was somewhere in Israel to Greece what they did with a laser, and it was successful and in that like way blew away what they
should be able to do with with curvature. But yeah, I would suggest doing a laser, you know, at dusk or sundown something like that, and that would certainly yeah, because the utall the salt flats are ridiculous, you should be able to to do something there for sure, one hundred percent. I didn't even think about that. I just thought, like, you know, the water seventy five miles, I don't know, you know, when it's supposed to curve or anything like. I've heard people talk about the
math, but I haven't heard exactly. Yeah, it's it's eight inches per miles squared. Now there are some people that say after one thousand miles it is a different math. But but certainly there's already been a tons of you know, videos and people showing that they can see entirely too far. Now that the mainstream media, like the one in Chicago, they'll try to spend
it and say it's refraction, so on and so forth. But I guess the thing with me with flat Earth, even beyond the curvature and the moon landing and the biblical aspects of it, was I kind of sat down because at that point I had been down most rabbit holes, and I think what. The thing that kind of made me say that's probably flat you know, three or four years ago, was the fact that they've lied about everything. I mean everything. Our currency is fake, the moon landing was fake.
They've started wars overlies, on and on and on. So I thought to myself, why would they be telling the truth about this one thing? And then that's kind of the thing that ate at me and kind of convinced me to look more into the different things. And then I understood Captain Cook's voyage of sixty thousand miles because if it were on a globe, it shouldn't have been more than twenty five or even if he got lost, say thirty thousand miles. And again, those are stories, can't prove them, so you
just can't take them to the bank. But I think the thing that kind of turned me the most was like, I don't trust you know. I was told in November of twenty twenty one that if I didn't take a shot, I was going to die. And here I am, I'm still going And the same people who said that are on their second or third time getting
sick. Well, we were going to kiddle everybody. Yeah, we were going to kill Grandma Thanksgiving, right, Yeah, well that's actually yeah, family members who I'm pretty sure are affected directly from from the booster, like they got boosted to the gills as much. And I you know, none of my kids are have any vaccines. I don't have any vaccines. But it always seems to be the people that have the most of them that are like, really really affected. And I kind of think that maybe they did
some placebos. Oh for sure, that would be too too obvious if they didn't. Yeah, but I mean, you know, now they're going to be putting them out every year. I don't know if this is a population control thing or I think it's a combination of that, telling you to get you. I was just gonna say just that. And it's a cash cow. I'm sure, Oh yeah, for sure, they're making a lot of
money. But I mean I just heard on MSNBC here or whatever to wait to take your COVID booster because you could, you know, get your COVID boost, your RSV and your flu shot all at the same time, and that wouldn't affect you. That's brutal, man. I don't know. Ah, Man, this podcast, I'm getting less and less hope. Let's talk
about unicorns and rainbows for a couple of minutes. Let me ask you this, if there was people out there in Utah, in your neck of the woods, because we've had several on the podcast already, that would be willing to help you do that, is that something you'd be interested in trying. I would be absolutely interested in trying that. And I you know, I have a laser level, like a construction laser level that's not going to reach. But yeah, I'll buy a telescope or a laser and you know,
strap a level to it and see whatever whatever happens. But I I don't want to just buy into it. You know, I'm kind of at the same place you said you were, were like, they've lied about everything else, so why wouldn't I, you know, believe in this, but I want to see it before I believe it, And that is that is the definition of being a critical thinker. Yeah, I'm in a paranormal podcast and
I am the absolute skeptic. And I actually started the thing. I reached out to everybody in every paranormal podcast on Facebook and found some people, and now we're up to five people. But yeah, I want to prove Now, is your podcast not the same as like your your YouTube channel or is that a different name. Yeah, it's a totally different thing. It's more
just a fun deal. So we started out with four people and then the one of the ladies only lasted two weeks, and then it was the three of us for about a year and a half and then somebody, Jeremy, one of the co hosts, he went through some legal troubles. He might be back next week. We just got the text from him today. But we've gotten to more people on the show. We're all strangers, and you know, we talked about everything from Frogman Hillary Clinton's Adreno gream. So we've
you know, we've even ventured out into conspiracy land. Do you want to tell folks the name of it. It's global strangeness. It is not probably not a good you know, if you're strongly religious, you probably will not like it because we are drinking every Sunday night and talking about most of the time it's dumb stuff, you know. Every once in a while we'll go
into exorcisms and some stuff. But even even the exorcisms, I don't I don't know where you where you fall on that, but like I've seen a lot of these videos, and you know, maybe there are some true exorcists out there, but from everything I can find, I'm not convinced. And you know, to be fair, the Muslim religion actually has a thousand times more exorcisms than the Catholic Church to yep. But yeah, I'm always trying to debunk stuff. So I'm checking into the Library of ale or the Library
Congress. And I was gonna say, you got into the Library of Alexandria. Well we we are, like I said earlier, we are having that lady who is pretty close with the damn Now, was it the Knights of the Templar, the Knights of the Templar. Yeah, and she's actually getting into the Vatican Church. So she said she was going to take some pictures and I would love to see the fifteen miles of books they got down there.
Boy, you're not kidding. I could not imagine. And I'm sure they got a little bit of gold down there too, probably not that she will ever see the gold. Yeah. No, she speaks like seventeen languages. To be honest with you, our podcast is very small. I don't know why she wants to come on our podcast, but she does, and when she does, like, I would love to hear everything I can hear
about that fifteen miles of bookshelves. Absolutely. I think if you had three places that you could visit on a daughter ray to just you know, go as you please for you know, a week, I think most people would choose that as one of their three, just to be able to look at the knowledge that's down there. Of course, I need a translator because I'm sure most of the stuff is in Latin. But yeah, no, I
mean that's what I'm saying. She speaks seventeen languages. I couldn't understand anything if any one of those books down there, But if I was president, that would be you know, first on my priority is instead of going after Afghanistan or Russia or any of this, I would go directly to the Vatican to get those books because I, like we talked off air, I believe all of the Library of Alexandria is down there. I think there's a lot
of stuff that could help the human race down I couldn't agree more. I'm sure maybe there was, or maybe maybe the fire of Alexandria was just another conspiracy to make people think that all that knowledge disappeared. I believe that. Yeah, I didn't get rid of all those books. Nobody burnt those books to the ground. They stole them, burned the building. Yep, another
false flag going back two thousand years. But yeah, I don't know if if anybody wants though listening, it's you know, very casual, not put together, just a fun Sunday night for random people on the internet. Sometimes, you know, people like that to decompress, Right, I do the same. I pull my head out of the rabbit hole every now and then too. You go crazy, Yeah, no, you do go crazy.
And that's kind of why I wanted to listen to your podcast, to be honest with you, because my you know, my sister non religious flat earth or was going on about it, and then years was the first one that I stumbled across. And then you start talking about all these other conspiracies that I already believed in, and it's just like, man, this is another news shows. Yeah, and it's okay. You know, we come on
and sometimes with folks we talk about flat earth ten percent. Sometimes that's the entire podcast, and and that's okay because I want people to learn different things, you know, with That's why it's so awesome to bring different people with different backgrounds and different views onto the podcast. If you know that one thing that you may learn from the podcast could be that one dot that connects everything for you. Yeah, I guess I listened to the first like twenty year
thirty of your episodes. You know, there was nothing on any of the other podcast just binged it all and then you know, I probably listened to I don't know, two to four a month. But yeah, it's just too much news, too much information going in my head. That's kind of why I started the Paranormal podcast, was, you know, I'd listen to that I didn't believe, but at least it was not reality. I could
kind of zone out. I'm working eight to ten hours a day, six days a week, like I just feel in my time, I'm alone all day long, Like I just sometimes you need to escape what's happening. Yeah, we don't even have We don't watch the news. We haven't watched the news in years, because that's all it is, is just MK ultra fearborn beating you down twenty four seven, three sixty five. Yeah. I listened to all the controlled opposition all day long, or I'll even get to Bill
Maher. I just build my head while I'm mindlessly assembling stuff doing whatever else I'm doing. That's awesome, Well man, it's been it's been an awesome ninety minutes. And I'll definitely check out your podcast and really intrigued with your your curbside chronicles where you're you're literally the man on the street asking people questions. And again the links to uh Scott's TikTok and YouTube channels will be in
the show description. Check out his Man on the Street interviews, and if you live in Utah, I will have u We're just how can people reach out to you. I mean, they can reach out to me on Well, now YouTube doesn't always tell me the comment, so I'll drop the It's Scott dot eight six dot hey at gmail dot com. You can email me. I'm not very good with the email, but yeah, I would like
to test the mathematics of this. So you can reach out to him on TikTok or you can email him and I'll put that in the show description as well, And that would be great. And if if people link up with you and you're able to pull that off. I think Dan who was on about a month ago, he lives in Utah, I believe, and I know there's a lot of people who would probably love to do that. And then if you are able to pull it off, we'd love to have you back on the show with the results. Yeah. No, I mean,
if I can pull it off, i'd be you know for sure. Absolutely. Well, that's awesome as we uh part ways. Is there anything else that you'd like to say to the audience. Uh? No, thanks for having me on. Thank you guys for listening. It was fun, a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun, and I appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule. To join us tonight and thank you
all the listeners for your continued support. Again, if you'd like to join the show like Scott did this evening, please reach out to us at the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com. And for Scott, I'm George God bless everyone. You have a great rest of your week and until the next time we meet, we will see