Episode 95: Flat Earth Conversation with Pastor Dean Odle

The following presentation Isabel Marvel's studio's production. This podcast is available in both audio and video format. If you would like to watch this podcast with Pastor Odel, it is available on the flat Earth Files Rumble channel and you can find the link in the show description. Thank you all for your continued support. Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files. As you can see, we have a very special

guest. Well, if you're listening to the podcast, I guess you can't see, but we have a very special guest. His name is Pastor Dean Odle. He's a Pentecostal minister who has preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ across the United States, Africa, Israel and other parts of the world. He's seen many people saved, miraculously healed and delivered from demons through the power of Jesus Christ. And he's also authored Grace Abuse, one of the greatest hindrances

to genuine revival, in nineteen ninety eight. He is also It's like Clay under the Seal, which for you watching on video you can see right here and you can find that on DNO dot org. In the recent years, the Lord has led Dean to focus on end times Bible prophecy and exposing the Satanic deception of these last days. He and his wife Pastor fire in Grace Church in Auburn, Alabama, and again you can find all his work on Dean Odel dot Org. Ladies and gentlemen, help me welcome Pastor Dean Odldan.

Thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. Absolutely, thank you for having me. Brother. Yeah, so let's kick it off, and if you would give an introduction to the folks, let him know a little bit about yourself in your background. Yeah, we've been in the ministry now, for goodness, we're going on thirty seven years here. Been preaching since I was nineteen years old, studying the Bible since I was you know, really heavy, since I was nineteen and then, uh,

you know, did different things. Started a church in Montgomery, Alabama nineteen ninety five, that until two thousand and two, multiple trips in Nigeria, the island of mauritiuss Middle East to preach. And there's another book I authored in twenty eleven and twelve, authored a book called the Polluted Church From Rome to Kansas, City. And then also a book called The Holy Spirit Tongues

of Fire. That one we we we've had for a long time. We just had a free PDF, but we recently put it in print as well. But just been writing books. And we started a church here in two thousand and nine called Fire Grace Church in my hometown. I have to explain to people ople like in Auburn. Everybody's heard of Auburn University, so it wells and I'm big Alburn fan, but we opal like a Alabama and Alburn,

Alabama. They're like twin city right next to each other. I mean you drive from one year in the other and so we just call it the open like Auburn area. So the church was initially in Auburn, but now we're in opal Like. So uh but you know that's kind of splitting hairs. Were just letting people know, you know, we got we have visitors from all over the world that come and visit us here in Opelikans and you know, just trying to follow Jesus and do what he tells me to do.

That's what we do. That's amazing. Now, before we get into biblical cosmology, I have to ask the polluted church from Rome to Kansas City. I think most people get the Rome part. Why Kansas City Kansas City is because that happens to be the home of the group called Eyehop. And it's not about the pancakes. It's the International House of Prayers started by Mike

Bickle. And the reason I use him is because I show how the contemplative occult mysticism that crept into the Catholic Church very early on from the Desert Fathers, going back around two fifty BC AD, I mean in that time period, and then as the Roman Catholic Church started in three thirteen that counterfeit mysticism that they try to put Christian terms on, but it's really satanic and it's

dema. It has to do with visualization techniques and mantra type prayers. And I just show in the book how that that started back then, and even I can show some of the stuff from the Old Testament, some of the

old cults there, but how that it crept into what's called Christianity. And then how many evangelical and not just charismatic churches or Pentecostal churches, of many Baptist, Methodist Presbyterian churches have been swept into this and lured into this deception through a thing called because what they put they put the term contemplative prayer on it. But Jesus said, you don't use vain repetitions as the healing do. And a lot of this is based on using repetitions like saying Jesus or

phrases over and over again. We're talking about thousands of times in an hour, you know, just saying it over and over again. And these are the same type techniques used in witchcraft and Satanism, in Islamic Sufiism, in Kabbalah. Uh, you know, it's Buddhism, Induism. It's that mantra type repetitive prayer. And she said, don't do it, and so what that that opens the door to demonic infiltration into people's lives and deceptions. So

I took it that to go this. You know, this goes way back to the early Roman Catholic Church all the way to our current Some of our big, well known current ministries have adopted this stuff. And I've seen it calls great, great harm to christians lives to get into that. Whenever we disobey as a Christian, whenever we get into disobedience to something the Lord taught.

Clearly we're getting into trouble, yeah, for sure. And people like Mike Bickle, who you know, I'm just looking at us by real quick. I guess he held a conference back in twenty ten where you had twenty five thousand young adults. So it means do you think he actually is understanding what he's doing or do you think he's unintentionally leading these people down the wrong

traill? That one's hard, that's hard to say because well, another one of my problems is that when any Protestant church be against to try to link itself back up with the Roman Catholic Church, that's a problem. That is a big red flag right there. And so he's been really big about trying to reunite Protestant Christianity with Roman Catholicism, having joint conferences with Roman Catholics, pushing Roman Catholic books in to his students of his ministry school. That's my

big problem there. When you start pushing Roman Catholicism is a system of idolatry. It's that plaint. I mean, when you bow to statues and you kiss the feet off of statues, when you pray to Mary. When you call Mary a co redeemer and the co media mediator with Jesus, and you call her having been born without sin and all this other nonsense, you really have a system of idolatry. And idolatry is a sin of the death.

Meaning if you habitually practice idolatry, according to Phesians five, and if you habitually practice idolatry, then the Bible says that you will not inherit the Kingdom of God, you won't go to it. Idolatry is a serious sin, and so it has to be confessed and repented of. And so when I see people praying to marry and bound down the statues and uh there that you can't have another that's if you want the definition of idolatry. That's it,

Yeah, right there. And so whenever I see a church any whenever, I don't care if it's Mike Bickle or anybody, start trying to cozy up to the Roman Catholic Church, I'm like, you're going down the raw road, brothers sister. Now, I don't know if he if he's doing it on purpose, or if he's just deceived himself, but I hope he stops,

but to take truth. I wrote the book in two thousand, well, I wrote it during two thousand and eleven, published it in two thousand and twelve, and as of today, they're still pushing Roman Catholic books. You know, at Roman Catholic mysticism, and it's just a mixture of you know, bad stuff that you know, you figure someone would like him, would certainly have a lot of college under his belt, and you would think

that somebody would understand where the word Protestant comes from. It was all about protesting Catholicism, going back to Martin Luther and of course what went back there in the fifteen hundreds and and to see and listen, I saw it too. I was in a Methodist church where they would say the Apostles creed.

You're standing there in a Protestant church saying I believe in the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, and that you can see, you know, they whether the individuals again like you said, where it's intentional, but you can see there's a lot of entities out there that are trying to bring this

one world government and a one world religion, right. Yeah. Well, and to there's what I call soft Christians out there that they think their idea of you, of of love and unity is ignoring sin and gross doctrinal error, you know, And that's not the unity taught in the Bible. The unity taught Bible is when we agree and have the same mind and the same purpose, and we agree on what the Bible teaches and we stick to that.

That's unity, compromising and accepting anything and everything in calling that love and calling unity is a deception itself. And so that's that's what some Christians fall for. Again. It's just they have the right intention, but the wrong understanding and the wrong balance. Because God does not tolerate false doctrine or gross unrepentant sin. He's going to deal with that, you know. That's right.

And I'm glad you mentioned that because I remember in one of your Great Eschatology series, the Great End Time Delusion, you I think you actually started out maybe it was part two when you kind of went deep into Catholicism where you said that there's a lot of good people within the ranks of the Catholic

Church. And I think that's important to understand to put out there. Yeah, and that's why Jesus says it I believe that mystery Babylon the great in Revelation seventeen and eighteen, I believe it's the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican, and the Jesuits and their hold on the whole world. And in it specifically says too, a lot of people say it's the United States and all this other stuff, But it says her colors are scarlet and purple. That's

the colors of the bishops and cardinals of Rome. And it says that she is that great city that reigneth over the kings of the earth. Well, that's a president tense Greek verb. When John wrote that in eighteen ninety five, and that great city that was ruling the world was the city of Rome. But he is very clear that the Roman Catholic Church is that mystery Babylon and is deceiving the whole world. And there can be no there can be no compromise with her. There can be no you know, going down road

with her. You have to. And you know, jes said then in eighteen, in chapter eighteen, he says to the people that are in there, the good people, he says, come out of her, my people, you know. So I tell people all the time that he wouldn't say that if none of his people were in there. And I've met a lot of good, very devouts sincere Roman Catholics that are serving Jesus the best they

know how and and they mean good. And you know, the Roman Calolic Church itself does do good, like when it comes to good you know, trying to help the poor and the homeless, and their anti abortion. I mean, they've got some good things that they say and do, and they get people, that's how they get people involved. We're doing good things,

and a lot of it is traditional because families were just Roman Catholic. And then you know, it just continues and then there's people, like said, there's people that find Jesus, they're born again through faith in his death and resurrection. They find Jesus not because of the Roman Catholic leadership and hierarchy. They actually find him in spite of all that nonsense and try to serve the

Lord. So but I do believe the Lord wants them to come out of that organization because it is full of occult mysticism and idolatry and demonic supernatural things. And of course the current Pope Francis is the worst pope in modern time. Yeah, I mean I thought nobody could beat John Fault the second. But this guy is a he's a Jesuit, so I mean he is out

there. He's saying everything from homosexuals go to Heaven, to atheists go to Heaven, to you know, this is basically basically he's even shocking a lot of Roman Catholics. He's so bad. He's the first Jesuit pope, right, yes, the first Jesuit pope. And that wasn't by accident, no, absolutely not. And then going back to mystery Babylon, it also mentions the Seven Hills, right, yes, the city on seven Hills, very very and it says she is drunk with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

And there's not another entity institution on the face of the earth that's killed more true Christians as then the Roman Catholic Church. I mean, that's what the Pilgrims fled from the cup start, you know, a fresh start of getting away from that and having freedom. The Spanish Inquisition, I mean, you just talk about Rome killing millions on millions on millions of Christians over those you know, centuries there, and you know that's not America. That's not

what America has known for. And we've only been around for you know, not even three hundred years, and they've been around for a long time. So it's it's to me, it's clear. And even when you get over into eighteen, when it starts talking about the economic uh things about my talk about that she's the biggest exporter of wine, and guess what that's not the United States if you look at it, it's Italy and France. That's right.

When you talk about fine hour Italy and you talk about all these other things, pearls, even Italy, I mean, everything it lists there points you back to the Roman Catholic Church. That's interesting. And they've got they've got far more influence than most people even realize. Yeah, they actually own half of Israel and they own land like all over the world. Yes, yeah, and they have riches and we're thirty three trillion dollars in dead. We're like a guy if we had a credit score, it'd be like one

eighty that they gave country's credit scores. Have you ever heard of pair in hoods? Not off? The tape on my head doesn't bring up? Okay, you over to look her up she was like a lawyer for the World Bank or the IMF, one of those. I can't remember which ones she worked for, but basically she was doing an audit and she became a whistleblower. I can't believe she came out and said what she did, but she said that pretty much like the United States, we raise about two million dollars

in taxes, I mean two trillion in taxes every year on average. She says, it's sixty percent of that goes to the Jesuits, to the Vatican, and forty percent of it go to the illuminati families. Wow, And I said, what you know, I'm thinking, what do we how do we survive weird debt? And we set up drug drug shark teals. We become the drug card teal. Absolutely, So that's that's how the government of

the United States funds itself pretty much black operations and everything. But we're that's why we're trillions in debt because all of our stuff, I mean, think about this, we say we take into trading and taxes and we spend two trillion. That's you shouldn't be breaking eating the tray. But we don't know that's even close. Have you ever seen the debt clock. You go on there once. I think we went thirty nine billion dollars overnight the other night,

thirty billion overnight. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, and you're right about the drugs. That's why they're always pushing war. They got the poppies from Afghanistan. The same was in Vietnam. And that's what it's all

about. And by the way, kind of evolving to the Biblical cosmology, if you will, I do believe that NASA is also a form of a slush fund for the powers that be, because remember when they have these military contracts, when they asked for those bolts, Well, I just can't be a regular bolt from lows and I know it's got to be a bolt that will work in the ISS. It's very special. It's a three hundred dollars bolt, right. Yeah. Remember if a minute bends day, it's twenty

thousand dollars hammer, a forty thousand dollars toilet. Yeah yeah, yeah. I was in the military and I did contract in and it's just unreal. People would just they just really don't understand. I do want to kind of

get into your awakening to flatter at the Biblical cosmology. How you came upon that, Well, it was in twenty fifteen, probably in early twenty fifteen, the Holy Spirit spoke to me. You know, I'd pray and fast, and you know, I believe God still speaks to his people today through you know, through the Bible primarily, but we can still hear him by the Spirit as well. And he spoke to me one day in priority. He said, I have something else to show you. And it's big,

that's what he said. But I have something And I thought, you know, I've already taught on things that are controversial and that most churches don't touch with a gen food poll. So I thought, wasn't the world else could it be? You know, I talked about the Nephelim, I've talked about the alien deception. I talked about deliverance for Christians. I mean, you talk about controversial and of course being a Pentecostal, believing in the gifts of

the Holy Spirit are still for today. I mean I just catch all kinds of you know, Hell from every direction. And so a few months later I had a friend of mine who was in Hollywood. He's out of Hollywood by now. He had come to the Lord and I was kind of disciple in him and mentoring him long distance and encouraging him and trying to get him to get out of there sure, you know, before they try to kill him. And anyway, he would send me stuff, you know, and

front time to time and then ask questions. And so he sent me this question that I had no idea what he was even asking. He said, does firmament earth ring a bell? And I'm like, what is he talking about? You know, I have no idea. And he sent me a video and I thought, oh great, And I was really busy and I thought it was like a thirty minute video and I'm like, and I can't even answer, Sam if I don't watch this video because I have no idea

of what he means. So, you know, I thought I knew what the firmam it was, but I thought, what does he mean by that? You know? And when I turned the video on, it did it? Initially? He said nothing about flat earth? Right? So I turned this video on and it starts immediately, It starts that shift between NASA picture

ISS nineteen ninety seven versus twenty fifteen. And I was like, oh, wait a minute, because they already didn't believe the moon landing, and it was like, oh, it was like the Holy Spirit came on me, like I felt him come over, like I know exactly what this is away and so he got into the Nassa deception first the video did, and then it showed it like about midway this the flat earth, this is this is our and I knew it was true. I knew it was true immediately instinctively

by from the Lord. But then the second part of the video went into the Bible scriptures on it. So then I'm pulling out my Bible, I'm pulling out my concordance. This isn't going through everything. And I'm looking up the Hebrew and Greek words and I'm like, oh my god, this is all true. How have I been blinded to this? How have I not seen this? It was like it was like being saved all over again,

being born again all over Again's like it was in two. It was like I felt a big burden lift off of me because wow, this is a big law, yeah, and this is a big lie that do if if anybody would have walked up to me before that that day and said, passioning, you don't believe all of God's word I would have said, you're a liar. I believe God's word in Genesis, the Revelation, I believe it's true. I believe it's God inspired in Eric, the Holy Truth, the

Holy Word of God. And I realized I had I had listened to man over God, and that really you want to talk about me being convicted and having to repent. And and then I spent the next few you know, weeks, just I couldn't hardly sleep. I was studying this, researching, uh, digging into it, did get reading, starting to read the old books about it, and starting to look at you know, and then of course, back then that was the heyday of when YouTube was still free.

You know, you could you actually got suggestions of videos that you were watching that were linked to other, you know, similar videos. You know, you got the recommendations that were correct and so rhythm actually work, you know. Yeah, And so then I started seeing, you know, looking at a few other people that had had their eyes open, and of course I went through the I just you know, I just started I listened to everything both you know, we got some new agers in this thing, and some

atheists and unbelievers and some Christians were involved. But what really couldn't convince to me was I knew NASA was lying and I knew the Bible was true once all that came together, So for me, it was just it was easy. And then one day I prayed because I was like, Lord, what do I do? Because we had a podcast back then and people were starting

to ask where do you stand on this flat earth thing? And I hadn't said anything publicly, and I said, well, I want to address that, And so I prayed and I said, Lord, you know, we had already had built kind of a following just from our church and the ministry we had here, and the especially the end time stuff that I was covering that a lot of people don't wouldn't especially back then, a lot of people

weren't covering. And so I was praying about it, and I said, Lord, should I Should I preach it and teach it publicly or not? Do I go down this road or not? Am I going to run people off from your word and make him think we're just crazy lunatics? Or is this something you want me to pursue? And he spoke to me very clearly, and he said, have I ever told you to hold back anything from my word? I said, no, sir, And so November, so

within a month, I preached it to our church. I didn't broadcast it publicly because I just wanted our church to hear it and see how they reacted. And and then I was amazed just the reception. I nearly our whole church. I mean, I said, I think I lost maybe one or two families over it, but but the ninety five percent of our church just saw it. The Word of God's true, that's it. And then and the journey began, I mean it exploded after that. I mean I had

a video that had the Bible does say flatter. That video had like a million views before YouTube took it down so and terminated my YouTube channels, you know, in twenty twenty. So, but we had, you know, we had a lot of videos. We still have some out there that's you know, fifty thousand, one hundred thousand views. But you know, then of course after that, I became you know, we just had people tuning

in and coming from from everywhere to visit the church. And then I was asked to speak at the first Flatters International Conference in Raleigh, North Carolina, and that was a whole interesting you know, I don't know the next level doorway to walk through, and God just moved mighty and that gave me what

to present and and it's just continued to expand from there. We started our own conferences where we do Biblical cosmology and end time prophecy together, and we started those Skyfall conferences in twenty eighteen, so we had them in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty. We skipped twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two because I was running for governor of Alabama and we were traveling all over. But we did do a deliberate seminar in twenty twenty one, which is

a one day thing. But then we just had a twenty twenty three skyfall back in June, and it was amazing, and I did a whole Biblical cosmology one O one, but a lot of stuff like stuff that I did that when viral was stuff like I did the government documents say flat Earth. I dug into the CIA for you documents on flat Earth, and I did two two hour presentations on just government documents that admit that we live on a

non rotating flat earth, and that went crazy viral. Of course, early on I got the bicard, the the I say, I have it in my office, the Popular Science nineteen thirty one edition. That's right, balloon was flat disc with upturned edge. And yeah, and I was the first one to like kind of present that out there, that with crazy viral and this just been wild is you know things that things have been wild. I did a series in twenty twenty that's that really it was like a nine part

series called the Sevenfold Doctrine of Creation that really gotten out there. And then I wrote, of course, I wrote the book. I wrote the like Lay under the Zeal in twenty nineteen and published it. It's gone all over the place, and you know, just try to be faithful to the Lord. You know, as a pastor, this is not the only topic I focus on, right, but it is one of the main topics I deal

with. Yeah, I'll tell you one of the things that I didn't anticipate or realized when I started this podcast because when I anytime I presented it on the fact Tunnard, it seemed to be a very divisive topic. So I thought, well, I'll just do my own just a flat Earth podcast. And I didn't realize holy at the time that when people understand flat Earth, they realize is that there's a creator. And we've gotten so many emails from people who were either that had, you know, kind of fallen away from

God or had never been a Christian in the first place. And it's an overwhelming experience to get, you know, messages like that where And that's why I'm really encouraged trying to hear people like you, because I understand the conviction

you have and the message you received from God. But still as a man, I'm sure that out of all the sermons you ever gave, when you stood in front of the church that day and you gave the very first biblical cosmology presentation, you had to be nervous, thinking, I've worked so hard to build this congregation, and I understand again as a man of conviction, you felt, you'll like you had to say it, but there had to be a little bit of nervousness about presenting this and how that would be received

from the congregation. Well, I can say I was kind of more nervous when it first hit me, but by the when I'm fully convinced that something is true, yeah, and it's and it's and then of course biblical as well. That's that's like when I'm convinced, I just really don't care. And I'd be honest with you if they'd all walked out the door that day. I'm going to stand with God's truth no matter what men and women and

whoever choose to do, because that's just who we have to be. Because you know, there was a point where Jesus, you know, John six, where he was talking some things that they didn't understand about, you know, drinking his blood and eating his body. Of course he was talking about spiritually speaking, and they were freaking out. They finally said, this is a hard saying. Who can bear it? You know? And it says from that time many of his disciples went back and walk no more with it.

And you don't see Jesus chasing them down, that's right, you know, and there is and that's what's wrong to you the truth. That's what's wrong with American Christianity and Western Christianity in general, is that we're too afraid of what people think. And oh, I'm afraid to preach the Word of God from Genesis to Revelation because we're afraid we're gonna lose, you know.

I call it Nichols and noses. People are going to walk out of the door with their money, and that should never be the motive of a church, and have a pastor or any kind of minister of the gospel should never be. I've got to keep the crowd happy, so I keep the money, right. I mean, once you do that, you might as well be Roman Catholic. Yeah, hanging up, you know, you might as well start selling indulgences because that's what you're doing. And so I've always believed

we're supposed to preach the word of God straightforward. You know, like Paul said to the Ephesians in Acts twenty, he said, I gave you the whole counsel of God's word. I held nothing back. I gave you everything. And and so you walk away from that going I can stand before God and not worry about blood being on my hands and being told that I didn't tell the truth and therefore I caused others to stumble and end up in hell forever. I'm not going to stand before for anybody about that, you know

that. Like I've told our church many times, I said, y'all can lead. That's fine. I'll retire. I don't care. I think I'm like, I'm not in this for the money. It's not a you know, I'm not. When I came here fourteen years ago to start five, I said, I'm not. I'm not here to build a mega church. I'm here to tell the truth. And so I said, our church will never be big, and it's not. I mean, we got about eighteen people in our church, and you know, I mean we got a bigger

online falls. I mean, we got what we call our extended church out there that we wish they could be here, but they just have to watch. But I'm not going to compromise God's word. Period. That's fantastic. I wanted to mention going back to the conference, you actually you had spoken before you had a chance to meet Rob Ski, But what were your thoughts on Rob? Well, you know, Rob and I we talked on the

phone before I went to Raleigh in twenty seventeen, and the confortation. You know, I love Rob and I loved that he took a stand for biblical cosmology. Yeah, he and I probably would have been great friends and had to work been able to work together a lot more if he hadn't gone down the Hebrew Roots tour road where he was where he got to the point, you've been saving and if you eat baking you're going to hell. I mean, I have that video clip. So he and I budded heaads on what

is new Jessie mc christianity. Do we have to go back and keep the old covenant laws and sabbaths and feasts and wears zat ze eats and not eat pork? And you know, do we have to go back and do all that? Or do we do we walk in a new covenant that is a bit different than the old Covenant and you know, quite a bit different in fact. But so we we we had that battle, but I still loved

I loved Rob, and I think Rob loved me. I mean, even though we budded heads hard on that and when we went, I mean, there's a funny picture I'm where when and Raleigh where you know, we got our arms around each other and Rob commented underneeds and said this is how law and grace should be at work together. But he acted like I was some big grace preacher. But I actually my first book was Grace Abuse, about not abusing God's grace and living a life of disobedience and indulgence of sin.

So I don't know that. That was disheartening to me. You know, I wish we had several phone calls after Raleigh and that were yelling back and forth at each other and you know, trying to get him the city that you know, you can't make that those requirements on people. I kind of like Peter and Paul and Galicia, you know, button heads over it.

Uh, you know, Paul telling Peter you don't you gotta stop trying to make the Gentiles live as the Jews, and then he told Peter a Jew, you don't even live like a Jew, and you know, and Paul rebuked him heavily. So we had our head budding thing, and you know, he and I were sick, actually on our deathbed, both of it. I was about at the same time that he had COVID weld fall of twenty one, Yes, August August twenty one. But then he went in the hospital. Yeah. I told my wife and said, don't put me

in the hospital. I said, I'm not going. I don't care. I said, I don't care about I get. My oxygen levels got down to eighty two. I had to be having an oxygen jim machine at home. But I wouldn't go to the hospital, and I had a doctor getting me at ivermectin protocols and all the that went with it, and I mean, I got the death door, but I made it, but sadly robbed it and he, uh, they made the terrible I don't know who made the decision. I know for him to go into the hospital. It was

a terrible mistake. I knew when I heard that he went in the hospital and he probably wasn't gonna get out, and you know, I mean, we had a friend here, what pastor friend of mine that lives in Montgomery that so he would He went into the hospital really bad, and they were trying to put him on it then later and it was just a big fiasco. But we we got him to lead, like two am in the morning, just get up and walk out before they did all that to it.

And he survived. We got him hydroxychloricuin protocol and he got better and survived and he's still with us today. But that again, Rob's death and that whole situation is really really sad and really troubling. And I hated for his

wife and son and but yeah, she came out and spoke recently. I saw a clip on YouTube, but I think it was within the last three or four months, and I heard her talk about that going to the hospital and the protocol they did, and it's I mean, you know, I don't want to go down this road in this podcast, but it's infuriating because we know what the end result was ninety nine percent of the time when they brought out the brim deservere and the intubation. Yes, oh yeah, that's

a death sentence. Yeah, if you survived the ventilator and m Dezevie, it's a miracle of God. I mean, it really is, because that's a that's a two pronged death attack right there on. And and there, you know, here we go again. They're trying to ramp this up again, sir, you know, and everybody. You know, I got some people thinking, oh, Pastor Dean must be in the club, you know, he must be part of the your controlling position, because I ran for

governor. But the Holy Spirit Lord told me to run for governor of Alabama during all that to confront all that in speech after speech across our state, too massive crowds, to the media, to everybody, I said, don't go to the hospital. Don't get on a ventilator, don't take m dezevie. I mean, I was preaching this. I'm saying, we've got this. You know our governor won't do anything about it, and so I just know God wanted me. I traveled seventy thousand miles across our state. I've

spoke at I don't know, probably a couple of hundred events. I was on CBS forty two and Birmingham I was. I was on the biggest talk radio stations saying the hydroxy I've ever met and protocol saved my life, saved people in my family's lives, and you know, we could save a lot.

I mean, people were dying in Alabama at the time. We had twenty thousand plus die here in Alabama, and I was like we there was It was no sense that doctor Peter McCullough said, you know, if we would have given the early treatment protocols I ever met in our hydroxy floric when with the protocol, we could have saved eighty five percent or more of the people who died during that time period. So Rob's life could have been saved.

There's a lot of the people's lives that could have been saved. And so that's that's why I ran for governor because I knew I needed to go shout this from the rooftops. And I mean I knew they were gonna cheat me in the election and everything else which they did. We saw them. We saw the cheating of the voting totals and all that stuff. But I don't care. I did what the Lord wanted me to do, and I got to preach Jesus and flat earth biblical cosmology on television here on radio here.

I had. You wouldn't believe the people that read my book in this state. I mean we're talking about political leaders across the state have my book in their house. So that's that's why God had me do it. And he may have me do something again. And if he tells me to do something in the political realm again, I will, you know, just to be a light for Jesus in the midst of all that darkness. Yeah, there is a lot of darkness, and I should kind of follow up on

that. At least here in Delaware. They closed the churches down. So how did you handle your church and what were the protocols in your state? How did that work out? With twenty twenty. Yeah, early on they tried to shut down our churches, and there were some veiled threats at arresting pastor in churches that kept going. But we actually when they first everything kind of hit, like on that first Sunday when they went crazy. We didn't

do that Sunday. We were just said okay, and we already had one guy that had gotten sick with COVID, so if that was the other pastor because he has he has church on Saturdays and they come over here. But after that, I said, oh no, we're not shutting down anything, and if they arrest me, they're resting. So out of the whole thing. We shut down one Sunday just too, because we didn't want something to spread that had already hit here, right, you know. But other than

that, we were like nah. And then Alabama, Alabama. No one in Alabama actually went to the step of arresting a pastor. Now, they did have it in Louisiana and in Florida that I know of it, maybe others I think in California too, but not not here, So I don't think. I think they were a lot of talking, you know, but we didn't. We didn't shut down and the most churches did. Most churches did here again again, if the mainstream media is your news source and your

source of information, you're going to be deceived. That's just the way it is. Yeah. And our governor, oh, I was just gonna say, our governor, we have our own version of Biden here. Oh I was that. I was at a breakfast of pancake breakfast with her sitting like five feet away, and she couldn't cut her pancakes. I don't know who really running the show here, but it's not her. It's the same people

running right, So probably. And then she was the one that got up there and said, I mean what I think one of the stupidest statements from a governor during all that, she said, the vaccinate, it's the vat it's the unvaccinated people that are letting us down. It's it's it's not the regular folks. So she called us unvaccinated votes that we're not the regular volks and we're letting everybody down. That everybody had up. Of course we'll get to choose. It's non essential, we go true. Yeah, yeah,

nol Nell. It's yeah. That they're even coming out on the mainstream media saying yeah, most of the people in the hospital are are the vaccinated. You don't see a lot of unvaccinated. Uh regret out there for sure. But the reason I brought that up is because you mentioned thing. I said. Everything I said in sermons and in political speeches from twenty twenty to twenty twenty two that I warned them about that I told them was going to happen.

Every single thing happened, even when I got shut down and censored for in the Alabama press about the even about the COVID being from the wet market, I said, no, it was. It was a bio weapon made to laugh. Yeah, I got shut down for that, and now the Director of National Intelligence is admitting it. So I have no regrets brother than that, right there, none at all. That's I'll tell you. On the on the flat earth bibical cosmology. One of the funniest thing I was

getting interviewed by CBS forty two News in Birmingham. I was in the studio and where they were recording. It wasn't live, but they were recording our and so we're standing at a podium you know that's going across like this, you know, a long table type podium type thing, and she's on one end of it and I'm on the other. She's interview I mean, she so she asked me two questions and then she goes, so you believe Earth's flat? And I said, well, I said, I believe the Biblical

version. I said, I don't believe with the flat Earth Society's nonsense that, you know. I said, that's all not true. I believe the Biblical version. And she did across the table and went over the edge like and she goes like this, and I said no, and she just kind of looked twist at her head like she couldn't fathom what I was talking about. Anyway, long story short after the after the interview was over, her

and her producer sat down and wanted to talk to me. We talked for an hour and she wanted my book and I signed it for and gave it to her, you know, the interviewer at CBS News. So there was there was a lot of cool stuff like that that happened. That's incredible, that's awesome. The reason I brought that up though, because you'd mentioned earlier when you said where you were trusting in Man, not in God as far as like NASA and the Bible. COVID was kind of that same story.

They took the word of a guy who was in a white lab coat who they've never met before personally over God, right, they put their hope into

man. Yeah, And there was no excuses even in that because you know, doctor Didier Rowl to France came out with the hydroxy cloric and protocol with using the zitromycin and the zinc and he treated it was one thousand and eight patients there, and I'm talking about early on, like in February, and he'd only had like six five or six people die and they were like over seventy five years old, and so he really showed you could save people with

this, and he came out with it publicly the end of February, and it was him and a couple of other doctors that got Trump's attention about that, and that's when Trump spoke it in March, like March seventeenth, eighteenth of twenty twenty, said hydroxy Clarkland looks to be a game changer. And had our nation gone down that road fully and listened to the doctors who were doing the research and treating patients and seeing success, we could have saved a

lot of lives. But you know, the agenda of the of the illuminati and the cabal whatever you want to call them, the Luciferians, the Satanists, the elitists that run everything that's that wasn't the game plant. So they had to crush or try to destroy that that protocol that would have saved a lot of people's lives, and they and it's very evil what was done. And so that's that that bugged me the most, because it's not just Christians

should have known the devil's trying to shut down your church. God said, don't forsake the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is, especially when you see the day approaching. In the last days, so even now

we're supposed to meet together. The whole definition of church is the assembly the believers, right, it means coming together, and that was what the devil was attacking that, and so pastors should have taken Hebrews ten twenty five and said, no, sorry, if you take us to jail, we're like Peter and John and James. It will just go to jail, you know, I mean, that's just the way it's it should be, and that it will come to that in the day's ahead, you know, yeah,

yeah, they will put us in Yeah. And I was just gonna say, somebody said the other day, you know, never man, how did he say? It's something about you don't ever adhere to man's law that infringes on God's law. I think it's kind of what it said. Well, it's in Acts five. I think it's verse twenty nine, something like twenty something, but it says, you know, we all to obey God rather

than men. There there comes a point. I mean, I believe we're supposed to do our best to live in peace with the government, you know, around us. But the moment they infringe upon what God has commanded us to do and our natural God given rights, we are to say no, and we are to resist. We don't blindly. There's a bunch of preachers out there, preacher Romans thirteen is if we're to blindly follow evil, wicked government and they we're not supposed to. You see the disciples willing to go

to jail and be killed by not obeying decrees from the Roman government. I mean it's that simple. I mean Caesar demanded that they bow and declare him to be God. They said, no, we're not doing that, you know, and the penalty for a lot of them was death, you know. Yep. And I do want to get to in a little bit. I want to get to where you think we are in kind of end times, but I want to touch back a little bit more on flat Earth.

And something that resonated with me, which you spoke about, was, I guess after you came upon flat earth Biblical cosmology going back and reading the books, specifically Genesis, for me, it made and before it was more of it. I just meant every I understood everything. For me, the three big things that really stood out after I woke up was the flood, the firmament obviously, you know Psalm's nineteen one talks about the firmament, which happens

to be on Warner von Bronze headstone. But something that I didn't come upon it till later, and then it really clicked was Genesis eleven, I believe, which was the Tower of Babbel. And if if you know this world was really heliocentrical, where were they building the tower too? Because the book specifically says they were using brick and mortar. Uh, you know, it's not an analogy or anything was they were trying to build to get into the

firmament. So those things really took a whole new meaning for me. And God said about the Tower of Babbel, he said, if he didn't stop them, that they would succeed. Yeah. So, and so I think about this. We know as certain altitudes are gets really thin. So we also know that it wasn't just human beings building the Tower of Babble. They had assistance I believe from fallen angels were assisting them. I think the same

thing. In fact, when the series I just went through the great En Time Delusion on the alien UFO phenomena, it's clear that NASA and there's there's, there's people that NASA admitting that a lot of their advancements of technology and different things they've been admitted that I have the American Cosmic the book, the guy admits that this thing right here was created by what he called alien technology and help from aliens. Well, we know who the aliens really are,

that fallen demon spirits. And so I think you have the same thing going on with NASA. NASA NASA being and I point this out in the book NASA being established by former SS Nazi officers and thirty third degree Freemasons pulls into this, and of course Jack Parsons being Alistair Finley Jack, Yeah, when we live Crowley and all of that together shows that they were operating and worn of on. Braun admits it that they were operating and with intelligences beyond our

world. And so you're talking about people who are deeply The SS officers were real society. I mean they were in some into some dark satanic occult practices. You bring those things together, you're going you're getting not just a a rocket and military organization. You have a spiritual organization. And their their spiritual purpose, I believe, was to deceive man concerning creation absolute to suppress the truth of creation, which Romans one says, they would know the truths about

creation as suppress it. And that's what they have actively done because they worked for sake. Now, a lot of people tell me, you know, we have we have a big branch of NASA right here in Alabama and Hunt, Alabama, and werder Ron Braun lived here for a while, worked here for a walk on the Saturday by rockets, and I have a lot of people that, well, my grandpa will work for NASA, and he was a welder and he's the sweetest man in the world, and he would never

lie to me. And I'm like, he probably didn't know a thing about it. I mean, I said, they built rockets. They built them, and you know, and I spent hours digging into the NASA technical manuals and formally classified documents, and I know exactly what NASA does. It was all for reconnaissance. They were all reconnaissance vehicles. Even the so called Space

Shuttle was recon building. But you try to explain to people, look, institutions like that, the FBI, the CIA that you name it, the NSA, Pentagon, the Department of Justice, all these big institutions are so compartmentalized that not everybody who works there is going to know what's going on at the top. It's only a need to know basis. But the people at the top have known for years the truth that the Earth is flat and non rotating, and they know that it's the ether they're in and not outer space.

And you know, they know they have to build things about how they really work here on the world that God has created for us, and they have to build their planes and rockets to fly ordinately. That's why it's in all their technical manuals and documents. So yeah, but put out the lies because think about this that Paul said in the Romans. One of the biggest

witness that there is a creator is the creation. And the specifics about the creation that are in the Bible proved that the Bible knew ahead of time, right, exactly what the Earth looks like and how it's designed and the nature of the sun, moving stars and all that, and so what's what happened? Isn't this Like I have a whole chapter in my book like Playing of the zeal Chapter six is all about atheist has come to Jesus? Well,

why have these atheists coming to Jesus like I've never seen before? Because once they see the evidence, and once they begin to read the Bible and say, oh, God, the Bible has been saying this for thousands of years, about what the firm about the firmament, about the stationary aspect of Earth's about the flatness of earth, about what's underneath and what's above, and they figure that out and they go, Bible is true. The God of the Bible, a god of Abraham. Isaagain, Jacob the Lord Jesus Christ of

Nazard, He's the Creator, He's the true God. I'm going to turn my life over to him because of creation. You find any atheist, especially in the university setting, and you ask them, even if they were once sympathetic Christians, are you know, even Christians in the name only? And they they said, well, I went to college and when I found out Genesis one wasn't true, you know, after the Big Bang and all the other nonsense that NASA has given us. And Roman Catholic priest actually came up

with a big Bang theory. Yea, once once you once you to realize that that's what's turned away many, many, many, I'm talking we're about millions of people have been turned away from believing the Bible is true and thus turned away from believing in Jesus Christ as to be their savior and Lord, their messiah. So when you look at it that way, I have people all the time creases are like, well, what does it matter? I'm like, oh, my Lord, what does it matter? If if we

don't get Genesis one right, then whine believe the rest of it. It's like having a house on a solid foundation. Right. Creation is mentioned in book after book after book. I mean John, the Gospel of John. John one starts out talking about the creation. Paul starts Romans one. He's talking about creation. I mean it's in Proverbs, it's in Psalms. I mean, it's it's in Isaiah. It's through the whole thing. So you start throwing you throw that out and say, oh, that wasn't right.

Then can we believe any of it? So what are what are they teaching in seminary, like, for instance, the church down the street, they believe, I asked them. They believed that it was the Big Bang theory, but God was in charge, like because God's all encompassing. And I said to them, but what does the Bible say? And it's just they look at you. They give you that that deer in the headlights the stair.

This is what you know. I had a pastor back and when in nineteen late nineteen eighties, I was in Dallas, Texas well on the suburb rock Wall, Texas, doctor Larry Ley Big Church Rock Church on the Rock, rock Wall, Texas. And he was a PhD. Had two he had two doctorates from Southwestern Baptist the Theological Seminary there for Word Texas. I mean, so the guy was you know, I mean he was trained by

them. But he said in his graduate class at Southwestern Theological Seminary in the early seventies that they were teaching that the first eleven chapters of Genesis was a true myth, and they said, the theological implications are true, but they're probably would never manning, madam. They're probably would ever mending thoughah. And so that's what's been taught in seminaries for decades. And then you have the people like doctor Michael Heiser, which I appreciate the fact that Heiser would stand

up and teach in his seminary. You know, he was the founder of Logo software. He's a big, well known theologian that just passed away recently. But he taught the Hebrew cosmology. He said that the Hebrew, the Bible teaches Moses Joshua Era taught a three tiered system that the third heaven is where the throne of God is. The second heaven is the solid firmament of some type of crystalline glass structure. God's throne sits upon it, and it's

actually called heaven. So there's three heavens, Paul said, And then he said our atmosphere. Right, the earth is flat, he said, and underneath it, it sits on its pillars, and underneath it is hell, the underworld. And he taught this in seminary and then said had the audacity to say, well, they just wrote what they knew and what they understood, but we know better today. And so that's what's called the doctrine of

accommodation. So what you're saying, though, when you say that, is you're saying that the Bible is not inspired by God, that it is not God breathed and exactly what God moved on men to say. And if you say so, either you're denying the divine inspiration of scripture when you say that, or you're denying you're saying God lied to them if you say, God spoke to them, but he just didn't want to tell them the way it

really was. So you have a big choice. You either are gonna believe this nonsense and and there's no way then you put together the Big Bang theory and the biblical outline of creation, they don't go to get No, it's like trying to mix a wool and water. I'm sorry, God didn't say

it was that way. And look if he if God can create, I'll say this way, if God can create the universe, if you're gonna say, I believe God created the earth, the sun and the moon, the stars, or you know, you believe in the vast universe nonsense, And you believe God can create all that, But he can't give us a holy Bible, you know, a book and get it right and and and preserve it to us. He didn't have it. He can create, you know, stars and suns and moons and earth, but he can't create a book

and keep it right. That's that's that's about the stupidest. But that's just the foolish way man thinks. But it's it's because we've been so say and is good at deception. I mean, he's just good at it. But as for a born again Christian, for a Christian, you're one of the first foundations of your faith has to be the Bible is the truth. It is the God's truth. It is the inspired, infallible, inerrant word of God. Jesus said, man shall not live by bread alone, but by

every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. He said, heaven and earth will pass away, my words will not pass away. Uh. You know in Psalms he said, I will preserve my word from this generation and forever. So I believe again what Jesus said, and I believe God's word. And so when you get to that word firmament, what is it? What is it? I mean it. There were pastors. This guy used to call pastors. You know, I don't know if you solve the videos.

It was hilarious. He would call pastors and just say, you know, I've been studying the Bible and I had a question from Genesis, what is the firmament it? And it was hilarious. I would just sit there and laugh because that some one guy said it was the earth. The firmament was the earth. And he goes, well, the Bible says the sun and the moon are inside at the firmament, so that would mean the sun

and the moon are inside the earth. And the guy and then the pastor said, oh no, no, it didn't be that, couldn't you know You're you're like, dude, if you don't know, just be honest to say, I don't know, right, but when you look up the word when you look up the word rock yahya and the Hebrew word and you look up in multiple lexicons, you know Hebrew lexicons, and you look up.

I've got the complete works of Josephas, who was the first century Jewish historian, was probably a Pharisee as well, the one who testified of Jesus and his miracles. And he says in the beginning of the Complete Works of Josephs he says, there's a crystalline firmament over the earth, right, so we know what they believe. And these are guys who spoke Hebrew and read Hebrew and knew what was passed down from their generations of their fathers, and they

had the scriptures and they believed them, you see. And so we go and we find rocky a means a solid structure that has been beaten out and stretched out in a curved fashion, all right. And and then you start looking up stuff about that covering. You find out the sky when you know in Joke thirty seven, when it talks about the sky being hard, firm, like a like molten glass, and you see Ezekiel calling it the terrible crystal that is over our heads, and the throne of God sits upon it.

You see Isaiah forty where he says God sits upon the circle of the Earth and looks at us like we're grasshoppers, right, and calls it like a tent. And you know, I have never seen a tent, and it looks like a spherical ball. I've never in my life. And he said, the Earth's like a tent, you know, stretched out, it's got a flat by atom and it's got a covering over it. So you know, you start digging into these words and you know exactly what they mean.

And I watch Christian Creation, it's like doctor Danny Fault there and others lie and say, no, that word just means an expanse, right, They'll say, oh, it just means it expects. So they're they're trying to say it means out of space. But then again, everywhere you find the word used, it means to beat or pound or hammer something solid into a shape. To expand a solid is what it means. And so I just that's why one of my chapters in my book is like, you know,

the firmament, actually it's called the Firmament and Dishonest Creations. That just blasts them on that. But but when you talk about the firmament and it talks about there's waters above it and wachs below and then and you know, you go on in Genesis when the flood happened, and it says it rained and the windows of heaven were open. That's right, and Great Deep was broken up, so you have three different sources of water going on there to

flood the whole world. And I mean it all again, once you realize the truth about Biblical cosmology and look at what the words really saying and what the words are really defined as, it all makes sense. Like you said, even from even from Genesis one to the flood of Noah, those things make sense absolutely, you know. And that was what a lot of people tell me. It's like for the first time. Once I realized all this and understood it all the true Biblical cosmology creation model, it's like now the

whole Bible makes sense. Yeah, it's like it all fits together now. And you know Joshua telling the sun and the moon to stand still, that makes sense now. You know. Before I understood this, and when my eyes were still blinded to this, that was the passage that bothered me the most. I would read that and go, I don't get this, because I truly believe the Bible was the inspired, infallible word of God, and it was true and correct. But I my mind couldn't even wrap around a

different understanding of cosmology because I've never heard it. I never even it never come into my mind, so I had nothing to compare it to. But I would say to the Lord, well, I didn't pray. I said, I don't get I don't understand this. And I think because I always wanted to understand. I think that's why he finally helped me understand, because I was always hungry to know that what what all that meant? Ye,

And I think that I mean, I don't even know. I just I just kind of went on an there, I'm sorry, No, no, you're good. And I think what you just said it's the perfect embodiment of people always say, hey, I'm trying to my wife, my sister, my friend, my mom. I try to explain flutterth, but they shut me down. You have to be at a portion of your life when you're ready to accept it. It goes back to the whole. You can lead

the horse to water, but it's up to them to drink it. They have to be in a place in their life when they're ready to open up to it and all that. You know, we've done almost undered interviews and the common theme is breadcrumbs, less is more, leave make them curious, because if you come out with all the information, in many cases, it's just going to drive them away. So what you said there is perfect.

And when you mentioned something that just gets under my skin is when I hear these people say, oh, yeah, the people back then, we're just they weren't very smart. Those people back then were so in touch with the earth. They understood how everything with the moon, the stars, how the medicines of the earth. Now we're so brainwashed we think dandelions are terrible and they're one of the most powerful things that God gave us and we spray them

with roundup, which causes cancer. And we're so hypocritical where we say, oh, those folks back them had no clue what they were doing. What we've been brainwashed to think what's good is bad and what's bad is good. And the last thing I wanted to touch on was like you were talking about the Copernicus kind of rent with it, but there was a guy before him who was who kind of created you know, people talk about Pythagoras back in

the day, but we know history. It was Nicolas, Nicholas of Cusa, Nicholas of another Roman Catholic, like the late fourteen hundreds, right, he was, Yeah, he was the one that brought up the whole concept of the Earth can't be at the center, and there has to be this vast universe and there has to be other planets. I mean, he he just made up this stuff. I believe it was just Satanic inspiration, of course, But again yet another Catholic priest. Imagine that. Yeah, they're

they're deep in this. There was another Roman Catholic what was her names? Oh god, what was her name? I just recently found out about her. She I think it was oh gosh, I can't remember. But anyway, she she was in the sixteen hundreds, and she was in so deep into Roman Catholic mysticism that she was astral project or what they called by locating or whatever she do that. And see she said in the sixteen hundreds that she during one of her astral soul journeys out into she flew over the earth

and saw it as a round sphere. Bennet down, lean out. There's another was that CARLINI? No, what was it? She was Sister Mary something you know what? Hang on, yes, what I know? I have it in my notes right here. I don't know why I can't remember the name, but I have it in my notes. I got so many notes in this thought I was doing the America. Well, I say, no, I understand, trust me. I got. That's how I came to you. I get every time somebody emails me because you can't get to

her right away, put it in my notes. And then you know, after about twenty emails saying you got to check out Pastor Odal, I was like, well, I better check this guy out. Yeah, here it is. This is Her name was Sister Mary of Agreda. That's uh ag. I may be saying it wrong, but a g R. E. D A. She was a Spanish nun who lived in the sixteen hundred. She was a mystique and she wrote books about the Virgin Mary. But yeah it was, and she wrote books about cosmologies and actually they got burned and

rejected. But she was one of the first that was out doing again. Occult mysticism connected just to ac cult practices like the Nazis, like the Freemasons, like these others, and seeing the earth as a sphere and bringing that back to the Catholic Church. So you got to think about Copernicus. He came into this. He was a Catholic, he was he was clearly a

Catholic, we know that. And again he was embracing he was studying these Catholic mystics, and he was studying hermeticism, which put the sun at the center and was sun worship. And so when you put together what he was studying, it's really a belief system he created. It was a mystical beliefs.

It was not a scientific observation. Because even Einstein admitted that both the heliocentric and the geocentric views work as a model in the sense of because you have either you have everything else moving in a circular motion over the Earth, or you got the Earth moving in a circular motion. It's that circular motion that's the only true thing, or dealing with what is moving, you know.

But Einstein admitted that, he admitted that both models you could make sense out of, you know, in the sense, I mean, we know a lot of there's this foolishness, but they think ours is foolishness. But of course, again it's just what you're deciding. But but a lot of this came from Roman Catholic mysticism, and it's Satanic. It's it's Satanic inspired because once look, once you start like this sister, what did I say, or named Mary of Agrida. Yeah, once you start worshiping Mary and

praying to Mary, that's idolatry. Well, Paul said in First Corinthians Team, the moment you commit the sin of idolatry, he said. The idol's not anything, he said, but you when you do it, that commit

that sin, he said, you are fellowshipping with demons. At the moment you start fellowshipping with demons and allowing them into your life, then other experiences begin to happen, like astral projection, soul travel by location, levitation which a lot of them did, the stigmatas you know, just open wounds and bleeding, and the Satans power and can do you know, miraculous or supernatural

things. And so that's why again I pointed this out during the the series I did on the the Alien Ufo phenomena, that's the great end time delusion. And I tied in the Roman Catholics because so much of this comes from because they are operating and intertwined with the demonic forces, and all of this stuff is working. Yeah, this is why they're embracing. The Vatican even now is embracing the UFO Alien agenda and pushing it forth because they are controlled

now. The Catholic Church is fully controlled in its hierarchy and its institution. Its leadership is completely in Satan's hand for his use in the in the in fact, well theodoscope named Lucy shouldn't shock us about Yeah, it shouldn't shock us about him. A counterfeit cosmology creation model, you know, he just he he wants his own following. Let's put it out. I think a lot of it is mockery too, right, because Jesus was the son of God. They put the son, as you won, at the center of

the universe. And then of course there's all the crazy numerology that goes with it as well, all the six six sixes. That this is a good time to bring this question up, because we're kind of going down that path. One of the hot questions on the podcast within the last month, and I see it's kind of been all over YouTube too, is the talk about

the Trinity. What is your thoughts on the trinity. Okay, you know, the traditional definition of the trinity is one God, three persons, father, son, and Holy Spirit, and those three though our make up the one God hit And I don't disagree with that except in the sense of I don't think most people understand how it works. And I kind of explain it this way. I say, you have to look at first Thessalonians five twenty three. Paul said, I pray God that your old spirit, soul and

body brief, preserved blameless under the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. So each human being, you, me, everybody, we have a spirit, a soul, and a body, and those three things, those three parts that make us up are very distinct, very different, our spirits, it's a different and they're different Greek words there, right, there's numa, there's suke, there's you know, the flesh, there's the sarks whatever. So you've got the three different words, and you've got the three So and then

we go back to Genesis one six. It says that God created us in his image. Well, if if I'm three distinct parts but one person, there's not three deans, right, right, But I do have a spirit, soul, and body. Now as a Christian is a born again Christian walking with Jesus and being truly saved and my sins washed away. And I'm ready to die. And if I die right now, the Bible says to be absolute from the bodies, to be present of the Lord. So immediately

there's going to be a separation between my spirit and my soul. Are gonna go to Heaven to be with the Lord. My body is going to go in the grave until the second coming of Jesus, when my body is resurrected and made immortal and reunited with my spirit and soul. So what I point out to people, if God created us in his image and we are a three in one being, then He is a three in one being. But just like our parts can separate from one another, and which is do this

all the time through demonic power. They will ask you project out of their body and go and watch and view and listen to things in other areas. This is well known in the occult world. It's called remote viewing. The CIA calls it remote viewing. That's they've been They've been studying it and pushing it for years. That's right. But our spirit, soul it and then Solomon talked about it being connected with the silver cord and all that stuff.

So Shirley mcclaimed, she got to the New Age and the Satanic mantra Buddhist meditation she asked for projected up into the sky into space and was saw the civil cord connected to our body. The reason I'm saying all that is is that I believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are one God with three very distinct parts. You can say persons, you can say parts. Whatever. What I'm saying is, if my spirit is standing over

here, it's the spirit of deep. If my soul is standing over here, that is the soul of Dean. And my body's here, it's the body of being. But it's it's You get what I'm saying. Absolutely So, whether you're seeing the Father in manifestation or the Son or the Holy Spirit working like when Jesus was baptizing, you're still seeing You're seeing God, but

him him manifesting himself in his very three distinct ways. But he's one, and that's why he could say, you know, like Paul wrote in Colossians chapter two, eight nine, he said, Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead, modeling, meaning he's fully God in the flesh. The Bible teaches uh you know Isaiah UH nine six, the one we'd like to quote around Christmas time, but it really has to do it. It's more powerful. And it says the son will be given, right a son. So you

got a father and a son. The son will be given, and the government will be upon his shoulders, and his name will be called wonderful counselor the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father. And so that you have Philip in John fourteen saying, show us, you know, jeeus, show us the Father and it'll it'll satisfy us. And he said, have you not seen me? Do you not know me? Philip? If you've seen me, you've seen the Father. I mean, that's a strong statement here. I

believe in the one God. He's one. The Bible says, he's one front in the old Sentisman and the Duchess. He's one God, three very distinct parts that are all fully God. Just he is just. He just has a distinct, three distinct parts. And that's what again we are. We used three distinct parts. But there you don't see three deans stand again, you know. And then I'll say this too. I saw it in a vision form. And and I'm not one of those that has a vision

every day. Okay, there's visions that you can have in dreams. There's visions that God can show you, like in your mind, I call a closed vision. But I had a powerful encounter with Jesus in nineteen eighty seven when I when I redicated my life to him, repented of my sin and said, Lord, my life is yours. A few months after that, I am sitting in a room, you know, in my house, two three am in the morning, I'm praying. I'm up praying, and over in the corner, you know, it's just dark in the room. Over

in the corner there's no window. An opening begins to open up, and I mean and and light coming through it. And basically just like just like Stephen when he was being stolen, it was like he said, I see, I saw the glory. I mean, it's like I saw the throne. It was open up to me, and I saw the glory of the

Father. And I saw Jesus standing like in that light around him. You know, it's like huge, just it was it was almost brighter than the sun, Like it was so bright you couldn't almost couldn't see him, but I could see Jesus and his robe and everything, and then over him, extending out of that light, the brightness of that light, I saw the wings of the Dove, the Holy Spirit, and I know I was looking at the Trinity. I was looking at the three distinct aspects of God.

But what I'm seeing there is the fullness of God. Now I couldn't see into that light and see everything clearly, but I will tell you this that the power I felt from God. And I'm talking about the anointing and power of the Holy Spirit, like when you get saved or feel with the Holy Spirit. I mean it is you feel the peace of God, the joy, the love. I mean you're just enveloped in it. When you're born again. Take that feeling and met and magnify it by about a hundred.

It was so strong that I actually thought the Lord was coming, and I said, I can't take anymore. Like I tend to tell him, it wasn't painful, but I could say I knew I wasn't going to be able to stay conscious. It was overwhelming heat it if he didn't ease up. Sure. Now some people say, well, you know your experience doesn't establish doctrine. No, but I just gave you scripture as to why I believe he's one, but yet three distinct parts, and those parts can separate from

one another, and it doesn't diminish that it's him in any way. You get what I'm saying, whether it's a holy spirit or you see Jesus or you seeing the Father as like they did with his feet and the glory, you know River Moses was not allowed to see him fully. You know, it was like he got to be in the glory of God and he got to see his feet, and he got to see his back, but he didn't get to see the fullness. And I didn't get to see the fullness

of it. But you know, Paul even admitted though that this is a mystery, that it's a thing that's difficult for Christians to grasp. But I will say this, people need to remember every single cult in the world, whether it be Islam or Joba Witnesses or Mormons or whatever, tried to diminish Jesus into being just a man who was filled with the Holy Spirit that God used, or they try to just make him the son, which he was the Word before he became the Son, and the word was with God,

and the word was God. And you know, so if as long as I tell people, as long as you believe that Jesus Christ is fully God in the flesh, you are not in error and you won't be deceived. But if you start believing Jesus is just a man, or he's just a man who understood his divinity and became a God or whatever, then you you're going to be terribly to see because Jesus is not He's not just a man, He's not just the Son. He is fully the image of God,

the fo like like God had for God to have a physical image. That's Jesus sawesome. Thank you so much for sharing that, and thank you for being so generous with your time. But before we go for now, and I really hope you'll join us again down the road. Oh, I wanted to ask you this. There's either someone watching this video, we're listening to this podcast right now. If there's someone listening and watching right now, how

can they how can they be saved? You know, it's it's you know, first of all, I will say this a person, you know, I believe Jesus said, and John he said, I'm if I be lifted up, I will draw them into me. So the Holy Spirit is drawing

people. And what that means when the Holy spirits drawing you is it might not feel comfortable at first, because he beguins to convict you and convince you that your life is in a bad place, like you are sinning and rebelling against the God of Creation, and so that it's uncomfortable, But that's actually a good thing. So I remember when you know, when I came to the Lord, the Holy Spirit began to convince me that I was a sinner and I needed a savior, and I need I needed my sins washed away.

I needed to be made right with God. And that is a revelation that you have to get. And you have to understand that Jesus didn't come to call thee think they're righteous. He came to call sinners to repentance. And that what he really means all all have sin and come short of the glory of God, the Bible says. But what he was saying there is people who finally admit, yeah, you know what, I'm a sinner and my sins have offended a holy God. And I basically have committed crimes against

the creator of the universe and heaven and earth. And need I need a way to deal with that. Well, the way to deal with that is Jesus came God in the flesh. He was born of the Virgin, and he lived a sinless life. And then he became the sacrifice, the atonement for my sin. And he died in my place because he took sin upon

him, my sin, your sin. Everyone say. He took the sins of all man kind on himself, and then he died for our He paid the penalty, the suffering, the shedding of his blood, and then finally death, and he paid that price so that we could be forgiven. And you got to realize he just a man, a normal man, could not have done that for us. Any some man dying for us. It's not going to wash our sins away. It had to be God in the flesh,

and it had to be sinless, spotless. He had to be the sinless, spotless lamb of God. And so you have to believe that Jesus died for your sins and that he is the only one that can wash those sins away and give you forgiveness and then give you eternal life, and of course you have to believe he rose from the dead bodily rose from the dead on the third day, because you have to know that he is your entire life. Because he rose from the dead and lives forever, you will rise

from the dead with him and live forever. When it's that time, So the Bible talks about you must confess with you. You must believe in your heart the Lord Jesus was believed that he died for your sins and rose from the dead. You must confess him with your mouth and say, Jesus, be Lord of my life. I give my life to you. I understand. I'm a sinner. I repent. I'm willing to turn from my sin and be your disciple. And if you do that from the heart, you

mean what you say, and then you follow it up with actions. The Bible says in romans Ay that the Holy Spirit will come and bear witness with your spirit. You're a child of God. And when you feel that exchange, when you feel that peace and love and you know your spirit has been regenerated or born again, you will have the witness of the Holy Spirit. You will know what happened. I like my old pastor you say, if you be saved and not know it, you could lose it and not miss

it. And and salvation is a supernatural That's why g said you must be born again, and that born again experience is a supernatural experience. John John Wesley called it be his heart felt strangely warned, you know, it's an experience with the Lord. And you just know my sins are forgiven. He loves me, He's my savior, he's my creator. He died on that cross from me. He rose from the dead. The Bible is true.

He was born to that virgin. He lived a sibler's life. I mean, you just know it and you receive it and then you're but you're willing to repent. And this is what a lot of churches don't teach anymore. And that is okay. I before you know, when I was nineteen years old, he came back to Jesus man. I was a drunkard, I was a drug user. I was a sexual pervert and into all kinds of sexual immorality and pornography and everything else and get going out the bars and get

into bar fights. I mean it was just horrible, right. Well, I know the Bible says about those sins, and I knew how the Holy Spirit made revealed to me about so I knew I had to repent, meaning I had to turn away from those things. It was turning in a new you know, the Bible says if any man be at Christ, he's a new creation. Old things are passed away, all things become new. So there's this repentance where you say, Jesus, I really and a lot of

Christians and were never taught this is to say, I surrender. I surrender my life to you. I will try my best to obey you from the scriptures, what what the Bible says, and what your Holy Spirit leads me to do. But from this point on, I'm yours. You know. I had plans to go back at the time, when I was nineteen years old, I was on summer break. I had plans to go back to play football at Troy University here in Alabama. I had plans to continue my

modeling movie career that was opening up for me. I had all kinds of things going. I had my own plans. And when I came to Jesus and said, Lord, you're my Lord. Now I surrendered my life to you. Whatever you want me to do. And I tell people all the time, it's like Saul on the road to Damascus and asked nine when Jesus appeared to him, and he said, Lord, who are you? And

he said, I'm Jesus, whom you are persecuting. The moment Paul understood who Jesus was and what he had done for him, Paul said, look, Paul said to the to the Lord, what were you having me to do? It was that total surrender. I'm done with my life. I'm done with the sin. I'm done even with my own plans that aren't sin. Right, I'm done, Jesus, your lord of my life. I'm gonna fall eve. And if you do that from the heart, he will come in manifest himself to you, he promised, and he will reveal himself

to you. And it's it becomes a real relationship. It's not religion. And that's what you have to do to be saved. It's some people say it's not complicated, but it is. You know what I'm saying. It's it's not. But all of those aspects have to become real to you.

And then some people even get to the point where you know, my life is a disaster, and they'll say, Jesus, if you're real, I ask you to forgive me, and I ask you to save me and come into my life and change me. Sometimes and it boom, it happens, you know, But it is an experience with the Lord. It's it's it's something that you will know happen. But you can't have this idea. Like there's a lot of people that are like saying adultery or fornication, or they're

into their drugs or drunkenness. You know, they're habitually getting drunk and party in and stuff, and they think, well, I could just ask Jesus to forgive me and be my lord and savior and I'm gonna keep doing these things. And that right there shows you you're not yet. You don't yet understand what price has been paid for you and what you really need to do to surrender to him fully. Try and and if you will surrender to him fully, you will be born again. You will be saved, and the

Holy Spirit will let you know that it's happened. You won't be doubting. You'll know, yeah, it was. It was a powerful thing when I was born again. Amen, Thank you so much. For this last ninety minutes, but before we go, can you please remind everybody where they can find you and your work. Absolutely? Uh, And I don't want to say I appreciate you having me on, brother, it's fun. I know it's funny. I kind of thought we were just gonna talk about biblical cosmology

of flat Earth. The podcast goes, it goes in and now the whole time we're all over but place. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. But main spot to go to would be Dean Odel dot org. So my name d E A n like the dean of the school and Odel O d l E. So Deanodel dot org has everything. It's has our bookstore, it has the videos. We also have some of our ministry schools. So we

also have a ministry school. I'd mentioned that fire grade school ministry that we've started in twenty eighteen and we already had five graduating classes, and so we have some of those videos on there. We have the all the deliverance, the spiritual warfare videos are there. We have the deliverance outline if people need deliverance, so we got all kind of stuff there. We also have Firing Grace Church dot org, which is our other website for the church, but

more more stuffs on the dnodal dot org side. And then you know, I got kicked off of YouTube, but we're still on Facebook. So Denodal Ministries on Facebook, Firing Grace Church on Facebook Rumble. Just search f GC on Rumble. All of our videos are there as well. And then if you want my email, it's simply dean Odal one one one at yahoo dot com. So dnodal one on one at yahoo dot com. And the church has a web an email address and all that. So there's many ways to

contact us. But we we have my wife and one hired staff person that helps me with thousands of emails and questions in comments. We do try to answer everybody, but if we don't, just keep keep being persistent, we will get to you. But you can order books from us. It's it's actually cheaper to order from us than it is to order from Amazon. So if you want to order one of the books like Clay into the Seal, it's better to order it from our bookstore denodle dot org instead of going through

Amazon. So but anyway, that's that's where we are, and you're not going to find a lot of you. You know, my videos. You used to could search like like, for instance, the government government documents admit flat Earth one of our most popular videos. Right you search for that, you're not gonna find it now. Google's not gonna lead you to it.

It's gone from YouTube. So you have to go to our website. And we do have videos listed by topics, so like you can go videos listed by topic and it'll say Biblical Create there's one to sevenfold doctrine of creation. That's by itself. That series. Everybody needs to watch that whole series. It's a lot of stuff to watch, but it's I go into some some stuff that's not even in my book that I learned later about the ether, and it's amazing. But all of that is there, and and it's all

free. I mean, that's stuff. All the videos you watch for free. We don't charge for deliverance. I mean the books, we do charge for that because we have to buy more. But that's the only reason, you know, we we we just bought four thousand dollars worth of books to go to the conference in South Carolina, and we won't make that back off of so we don't. It's it's not about selling books you know it's right. And then thank you so much for sharing your story. Thank you so

much for everything you do. Thanks for taking the time to reach back out to me. And I know this is uh where we're gonna get a lot of feedback. You'll get a lot of feedback, and I really hope we can do this again down the road. There's so much to talk about in all these realms. It's hard to to to get to everything in ninety minutes. But you have been a blessing and thank you for sharing all your knowledge, and most importantly, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for

the conviction that you have like many posters don't have. They may know the truth, but there's a lot of them out there that are afraid to so for that. God bless you, and thank you well. Thank you brother. It great to meet you and great to be on your show. God bless thank you all everyone. And by the way, all his information, as you guys know, we'll put it in the show description, so you

want to have to search for it is rubble channel website. Everything will be in the show description, so you can just click and it'll take you right to the site for Pastor d noodle. I'm George jobs God bless each and every one of you, and we'll talk to you again real soon. Go through my head which way do A follow? What happens to moble? And

do you and Nope, you can guide the way. Sometimes I give up just want to be even in the darkest times, you'll get feel So I lean on you when I've lost my way, I keep holding on for a better day. I lean on you when the world straight. I left my heart open so you hear my brain. I left my heart open so you'll hear my brain. In times I had to change, and when hope is fading, I know I can turn to your own brace because there's so much

beauty. I do your heaven and I'm braveful every day. Sometimes I give up, just wanna feel my own m even in the darkest times. You'll give me hope. So I need on you and I lost mine. I keep holding note for a better day. I lean on you. In the world a straight, I left my heart open so you'll hear my bread. I left my heart open so you'll hear my bread. I mean I lost my I keep going for a better day. I say my heart so you'll

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