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com. All right, let's get started with today's podcast. Our very special guest today comes from the Netherlands and he reached out a few months ago. And as you guys know, we're making our way through the list and today's special guests again, is Rodney. Rodney, thank you so much for taking the time to join us this evening. Thank you for having me. George. Why don't you go ahead, let's start things off. Introduce yourself to
the audience. Yeah, Well, I'm Rodney. I'm forty one years old and I live in the Netherlands. I was born in the Dutch Caribbean and I was raised in the Netherlands. We moved to the Netherlands when I was about a year old. And yeah, I've been a flat earth earth since I think twenty sixteen something like that. And as soon as I, you know, got hit to the flat Earth, I consumed all the information I could and yeah, and basically I just put it on the back burner because,
yeah, I could. There was no one I could talk to about this. A couple of people, so my wife and a close friend of mine. But you know, it's like, you know, what can you do with it? And yeah, so I put it on a back burner. I still believed it, though, but I didn't, you know, research anymore. And then I came across your your podcast, and uh,
I listened through through you know, I back to back. I listened to everything and I thought, odd, he's an awesome guy, and I just wanted to reach out to you, you know, and let you know my story. Well, thank you for reaching out and thank you for your patients. Now, you grew up in the Caribbean Netherland. That's is that like a Ruba kirosoal that area down there. Yeah, yeah, you know. I was born in Kasa, but when I was a year old, I
moved to the Netherlands. So I grew up in the Netherlands. So I'm yeah, for all intents and purposes, I'm I'm Dutch, okay. So not much of a memory of Caros for sure, No, not really. I have a very good memory though. You know, I can remember. I can remember things from when I was a year old, stuff like that. I can remember arriving in the Netherlands and stuff like that. But you know, not really, I don't have a real connection with where I was
born. Gotcha. Now, you've been a flat earther for eight years now, so you were very much on the original band again with I guess you probably mark Sergeant flat Earth Clues that type of thing, right exactly. Yeah, that was where the flat Earth Golden ages. Uh. If you can
call it that. You know, YouTube was acting normal back then. You know, you will get you get what you will get the right videos, you know, suggested if you were searching for something, And yeah, I went through Mark Sergeant, I went through I went to a lot man, I have to just dig Robs Ciba. I went to Eric Dubay, I went to even you know, the I even witnessed the thing that Joe Rogan became became a flat Earth, and then suddenly when it gained traction, he
just announced it, he up and announced it. And yeah, you know I was there. I was there for all of that. And Owen Benjamin, I witnessed him. I think everybody's watched that. That was fun to watch. Yeah, that was that was so incredible because it illustrated exactly how I felt. I took him a little a little longer though, you know I had. I had more of a compressed time of of you know,
those uh, those feelings. And yeah, I witnessed it was the Golden Agents man and and and and flat earth was going real hard on on YouTube. And I thought, at this rate, my next year, everybody's going to be a flat Earth. That's actually what you know, I really thought that I thought, you know, this is the new thing. Everybody's gonna know this, you know. So there also a lot of groups on you on Facebook popping up that had tens of thousands of followers of flat earth groups,
you know, and it was going real fast back then. So yeah, yeah, and obviously I think it was just two years later, twenty seventeen, you start to see the algorithm change. Like you know, back then, if you saw a flat earth video, the next video would recommend would be another flat earth video. Now it'll go from that to say Professor Dave, or if I'm watching an alternative news channel, the next one will be ABC News. So they're yeah, they goes certainly trying to throw you
off. It's it's it's sad. Yeah, it goes straight from an alternative news to Fox News or CNN, you know, something something like that. Yeah, they broke it. So yeah, it's it's a shame because you used to also be able when when you found someone, let's say you found Mark Sergeant or someone, and they would suggest similar channels on their on their channel. That was a great way just you know, to browse through YouTube.
Because the same people that I think that they checked which which kind of people watched Mark Sargeant, And these are the things that they would also watch. These are the channels that they would also watch. So that was a good tool, you know, Yeah, but they destroyed that. Do you think now? Obviously I think YouTube had to be kind of hijacked in order for them to pull off COVID, Otherwise people would have found information too much.
But I do think that the flat Earth phenomenon was a part of them, with Google or whoever buying it out and taking control of the algorithm. Do you agree with that? Yeah, flat Earth started, our algorithm changed, you know, I was there for it. Flat Earth was. Flat
Earth was the first thing they changed the algorithms for. They changed like the way YouTube works, just to put a little bit of a lid because, like I was saying, if that continued to go on at the momentum it had and as fast as it was going, well, it would be no telling where we would be right now, agreed. Now, according to your email, your journey started well before flat Earth though, I mean you started
you said you were interested. Excuse me, you were first introduced to conspiracies just prior to nine to eleven, so you had gone down a lot of these rabbit holes with other conspiracies prior to coming on flat Earth. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's been quite of a journey, and it's let me find the correct words, you know, because it feels like my my awakening process has been guided you know, by by God. That's that's exactly how it
feels. You know. My first running with conspiracies was when I was eighteen years old something like that, seventeen or eighteen, and I was watching a Discovery Channel documentary and they were talking about older buildings and stuff like that, and then they just briefly mentioned Freemasons, just very briefly, and I really, you know, it stuck with me because because I was thinking, and I was you know, I grew up religious, my mother is Catholic,
and they they made it seem like the Freemasons were you know, yeah, we're a religious bunch of people. You know, they were like the Knights, templar and stuff like that. So but the thing that that you know, piqued my interest is they just briefly mentioned it and did not explain what
Freemasons were. They just said the word Freemasons and just continued on and like everyone was supposed to know what freemasons are, and so I started to search on internet and I found because I've searched for the term freemasons, and I've found this old, old repository of yeah, of lectures, but they were all conspiracy lectures and I downloaded all of them. And yeah, that's that's how it started, you know. And I saw I saw lectures from Alex
Jones, I saw you know, I saw the Bohemian growthing. I saw Jordan Maxwell, Michael Terrion. I don't know if you know that guy, Michael Terrio vaguely, sorry, vaguely. Yeah, he's this Irish Yeah, he's Irish guy. He's all into symbols and symbolism and also into etymology and stuff like that. And Bill Cooper. Oh yeah, so yeah, it was it was a gold mine. And you know, that set me off
into uh, you know, a whole new way of proceeding things. And I wouldn't say I was all awake right then, I just you know, you should see it as I was presented with a couple of alternative you know, narratives and alternative choices. So that opened up the way for you know, my further waking up. And after that I think nine eleven happened, and you know, I was I was the kind of guy that watched CNN NonStop. I had CNN on NonStop if I you know, if I was
because I'm I work in it. I've always been an IT guy. So I was always working on my computer and I always had CNN on because I thought that, you know, I wanted to be smart and I wanted to know what was going on all the time. And I remember seeing, you know, the first tower was already hit and there was smoke coming from it. And I saw it just in a glance, and I thought, oh, this, this is some sort of factory or something. Smoke coming from the you know, the chimney. I didn't pay any mind to it,
but then I started seeing it. It was. It was on for very long, and then I looked better and then I recognized it was a twin tower. So it stood up and walked to the TV and I started a second plane, you know, going into the second tower. And that's when I knew was what happened. And I was like what, And I was, you know, all taken. I was taken aback by what happened. In the Netherlands, there are a lot of a lot of Muslim people, you know, you have a lot of Moroccans, a lot of people from
Turkey and what they were doing. So after nine to eleven, they started this whole narrative of Muslims being bad. Yea. Yeah, so they made us all so afraid, George's it was. But I wasn't awake enough to understand that back then, you know, And they made us so so afraid. And I remember being at home and my mom, because I was living at my mom back then. She'd ordered a package and just this guy, this guy came to deliver the package, and it was this guy with a
beard, and he rang the doorbell. I opened the door and he stood there with his package, and I was scared. I was like, what what is he? You know, is it a bomb? So I was asking him, what's what's this? What's in there? It was it was incredible, and he was like, yeah, of course, I don't know what's in here. It's just a package, man. And you know that's
the power of the you know, of the news at that day. You know, that's because I wasn't, you know, awake enough to understand that there was a yeah, yeah, a form of mic control, and yeah, it was a long process. After that, I had little tidbits of information coming in, you know, after nine to eleven, I uh, after you know, the initial shock and all the things happening, the Iraqi invasion, I saw a loose change somewhere. Yeah, and that, you
know, it fits, It's just fit with my world view. I understood exactly what was happening. Now. I understood, you know, and yeah, sou and it's been a slow, you know, slow awakening from there. Every every time, something else, every time, just a little bit, you know, I got. I understood more of about Satanism, you know, and about you know, a lot of other things. But at the same time, I was also getting more how do you say it,
more religious. Back then, I was more religious, and I realized that, you know, and I'm not saying that's that's the way for everyone, because everyone should choose their own religion. But I started realizing that Catholic, the Catholic religion was not for me, you know, I thought, uh, you know, I felt more like Protestant. So I became more like Protestant, you know, and I rejected like the Catholic stuff and became more Protestant. And then I found out more, you know, I found out
even more. I found it out about the Christian holidays being pagan, you know, like the Easter and Christmas, you know, and I took it very seriously, so I stopped celebrating those, you know. And yeah, that's what. Yeah, a lot of a lot of my friends in my family, they thought, you know, I was growing crazy. And it's a hard one to sell, George, is it can be divisive within the family too. Yeah, And I didn't understand why they didn't understand it,
because they were all very Christian, you know. And but you know, I just kept on. I just kept on believing what I believed. And yeah, every time I learned a little bit more, and it was it was drip fed to me, you know. And there there were so many rabbit holes to go through. And then in two I think it was twenty
sixteen, could be fifteen, but I think it was sixteen sixteen. I saw on Facebook, I saw a post, someone posted a meme and it was a bunch of fall falling stars and then the tech said, if the Earth was a globe, why do you never see stars falling up? And George, I got so angry I got really pissed off because you know, I'd been, you know, if a NASA fan fan boy for all my life. You know, I used to want to be I used to want
to be an astronaut. Yeah, to be an astronaut. Right. I thought it was the most amazing thing in the world, you know, And but I didn't realize what, you know, what was happening to me at that time, you know, so and I would I got really angry. I thought, how could somebody be so stupid? They must be trolling or something, you know. And then you know, I went to read the comments as I always do, and I I found that people really believed this, that the Earth was and it got even angrier. So I set off
right away. I was I was like, I'm going to investigate this. I'm gonna put this to bed, you know, and I couldn't. And it was really quick, I think I think it took about like I think it took about four or five hours. And I was like, oh my god, yeah, because as I was saying, YouTube was functioning perfectly.
That's one video to the next, yeah, so and and and and all these dots connected and you know, it had it had a fertile, fertile, fertile soil to land on, because I was already hip to you know, secret societies and all those secret arrangements, you know, and nine to eleven, and you know, also you know, with backward compatibility, because I had stopped watching news and reading all newspapers back in like twenty ten, after way after nine to eleven, because afterwards, I understood how I had
been played, you know, by by by all the news stations and by the newspapers, and I understood that I was, you know, I was facilitating my own brainwashing. So like somewhere in two thousand and ten, I already stopped watching the news, I stopped reading newspapers, you know. And yeah, so I think I lost my train of thought there. Well, that's all right, because I want to bounce a few things off of you
from all the notes I've taken. And you mentioned Michael Serryan. I do remember he had that documentary from about ten years ago, that Where History Ends. So I was pretty good, Yeah, go ahead, yeah, okay, Loose Change was great. That was actually very early within the truth community. I think that came out two thousand and six, two thousand and seven, and that that that's one that opened a lot of people's eyes to nine to eleven. I actually it'll be on my other podcast. It'll actually come
out September eleventh. I interviewed a gentleman just this past Saturday. His father was a fireman. He was on the forty fourth floor when the tower collapsed, and you know, he mentioned kind of the same things he remembered because he lived in New York obviously, and I think one of the things we forget is the way that the people of Middle Eastern descent were treated. Yeah, so I was moving from Hanolup. I was in the Army at the time, and I was moving from Hawaii to uh, New York. I
was changing duty stations. And it was October of two thousand and one, so it had been just five or six weeks after nine to eleven. And we're in the airport and uh, you know, there was some Muslims on our flight, and people were scared out of the mind looking at them, looking them up and down and like if they had a suitcase or something. You understand what I'm saying. That really goes to show the psychological effect that that that SSI UP had on people. It was it was truly next level.
Yeah, exactly. And you know, when I was looking back at that and being more awake, you know, I I you know, I understood that that was part of the you know, the MK ultra, the Mockingbird media is and it's it's all MK ultra. Yeah, and it was. It was horrible how how how they got treated, and especially I know, I heard some some stories about New York right after your No. Nine to eleven, and I heard that Muslims were shunned everywhere, you know,
and stuff like that. People were going after him. Yea, yeah, it's it's it's crazy how how that goes. Man. And it's interesting. You had also mentioned you said you're either watching a TV show or a movie that mentioned the Freemasons. I'm really surprised that when they have these big movies and they put it right in our face, that people don't take the time
to research. So my wife and I a week or two ago, we went back and watched the old National Treasure movie from two thousand and four, and the whole movie is about the Freemasons and Nights Templar, and they're like telling us these things like these people were really playing a bigger part of our history than than what is let on and people just only see it for the
action in the cinema. They don't really see the you know, they don't peel back the layers of the onion to really understand that they're putting it right in our face. Yeah, exactly, George. And they've never been hiding it. Maybe maybe in a way back they've been hiding it. But here in the Netherlands, you know, I've you know, I traveled, I don't want to say traveled. I you know, I lived in a number of cities in the Netherlands, and uh, in every city I lived there
was at least one Masonic lodge. And they have you know, they they don't hide it because if you if you see the Masonic lodge in a city where I live right now, it's in a in a you know, in a in the market when I when we have the weekly market, it's right there, you know, and it's in the building is all you know, it's this all style and then you see the square and the compass and an
eye in it. You know, it's they just don't hide it. They just flaunted because they know that that people, you know, they don't really care you know, and another when I lived in another city. I was a couple of years ago, they were having open nights. There were there were billboards come to the Masonic lodge. We're having a having an open night, and it just said there, you know, just open and plane,
just come to the Masonic lodge and learn about the Masons. You know, they were having a flyers being you know, given out in the in the in the streets and stuff like that. So you know, they're very open about it, and people just don't care to investigate. Yeah, precisely. Another one for me was I think I read the book I just had on the tip of my tongue, the Da Vinci Code. I remember reading that book when I was one of my deployments, and I'm thinking, there's there's
a lot to this. They tried to tell us something that's kind of went down the rabbit hole with the Vatican and all that those connections, which has very very deep connections. A lot of people believe that they have the actual belongings of the Alexandria Library in the basic Vatican. Yeah, yeah, I
could could be, could be man. Uh, you know that they have the Jesuits, you know, and the Jesuits are basically the foundation of all those secret societies, you know, and they are the gatekeepers of our realm, you know. And yeah, it's it's it's funny to look back because you're talking about the Da Vinci Code. I remember I remember watching that and thinking, you know, oh, could this all have a different meaning? You know? I was I felt really, you know, enlightened, if
I can use that word. After watching that movie, I was like, oh, there's all these deep hidden meanings. But of course it's not it's not even remotely true, you know what they tell you there, So yeah, good stuff. Have you ever seen the Jesuit oath? The oath they take? Have you ever seen that? Oh? Is that? Is that the one that they vowed to have their tongue taken out? What if? You know it's creepy? Yeah, yeah, because I might. You know, I'm I have read. I read a lot of those secret society oaths,
so there's a lot of different ones. So you know, I don't know if you exactly remember what's in there. Yeah, basically, they'll they'll do whatever it needs to to maintain the mission, So use your imagination. Yeah, there's no exactly Yeah, yeah, it doesn't differ from all the other you know, secret society oaths. It's it's the same they vowed to, you know, cut your head off and you know, stuff like that and make sure that that you won't enjoy life after you read at them out.
Indeed, you know, it's very fascinating to me. Are you aware aware or remember what happened been in February with the East Palestine, Ohio with
the train and the hazardous materials and all that. So this is a town of forty five hundred and extremely I don't like to use the term poor town, but it is certainly you know, on the lower side of the economy economic you know what I'm saying, yea, and they have it turns out they have this Masonic lodge there and it is just a pristine I can't imagine how much they spent to build that building in a town that is, you know, at best a blue collar, middle of the road town as far
as the economy, right, you know, the people who work hards auto, the earth, paycheck to paycheck type of people in the middle of this town that just happened to have this big train wreck where now over the last six months, everybody's selling in their house for pennies on the dollar, kind of what you're seeing in Maui. And it turns out that they have this Masonic building that is just this majestic building in this old, very small town. It is really weird to see. Well, Georgia, I could you
could. I don't know if you know about this before, just before that happened. I don't know if it was a year or half a year. It was just a little while before that train crash happened in East Palistine. There was a movie on Netflix and it explained how toxic train crashed and they had to evacuate the town. And I believe I'm not sure, but I believe it was also exactly in the East Palistine. Yeah. Literally, people from the town were in the movie. It was called White Noise exactly.
It was like six months before the incident happened. Yeah. Yeah, I have a very interesting theory about that, George. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna share it. So what most people think, and this is a you know, common knowledge, is that most people think that those uh, secret societies, they like to share what they're gonna do, would you so this soft form of disclosure, So because they have to tell the truth in some way or another. So they put it in movies, and uh that's how
you know, they knew about it in advance. And I think you know that's partially through true. But what we what people don't take an account that there's uh, there is a spiritual you know, aspect to this. And have you ever heard of sigil? Not off the top of my head, how do you spell that sigil? It's s I G I L. Sigil is an inscribed or painted symbol considered to have magical power. Okay, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, So and what what I
think these uh, these predictions in movies and stuff? What what it is? It's uh, it's a sigil. It's a hypercigil because it's used in magic exactly, and it's it's a form of magic because what happens is a lot of people watch this thing and there's subconscience, you know, strengthens the sigil. And then I'm not saying exactly that they make it happen, but they make it happen. And what I'm what I'm saying with that is, let's say let's say you're gonna try I'm just gonna use a crude example.
Let's say you're going to try to rob a bank. Yeah, but nobody knows you're robbing the bank, and there's a certain amount of chance that you will get caught and go to jail. But what if what if like half a million or a million or even two million, three million people believe or seeing you rob that bank and seeing you get away with robbing that bank? How much would that, you know, make the chances greater for you to get away. That's a little bit how this how I think, how I
feel this reality works. You know, if if a lot of a large group of people put their mind to something, even although being being up subconsciously, you can, you know, help them create a situation and create an outcome that you would want to have happened. That's what I what I believe. Yeah, I agree too. But on top of that, which in addition to the sigil effect, if you will, is with movies, it
helps people accept when it happens. Right, you had outbreak, you had contagion those movies, and you had The Walking Dead, which is again with pathogens and viruses and flus. So when twenty twenty came around, they were literally able to have the greatest wealth transfer and have people close their churches over something that nobody can see. Yeah, think about how powerful that was. Yeah, exactly, because that's how they in their in their mind, that's
how it works. So they see the worst case scenario happening if they don't comply. And uh, but there's a there's there's a you know, there's a little bit of how do you say that. You can't make impossible things happen. So it doesn't matter how how big or great your sigil is. If it's impossible, like you're making a movie about the Earth splitting in two or something like that. If it's totally impossible, it's not going to happen.
But if it has a probability, then you increase the probability of it of it happening. You understand what I'm saying. Yep, yep, absolutely. So that's how I really think these things work. That's why you have the clip of Kobe Bryant, of him crashing in a in an in an airplane or in a helicopter. I don't know if you remember. That was a January of twenty twenty, right before COVID happened. Yeah, so there was this clip of of of of him as a cartoon character crashing in a
helicopter. Yeah, the Simpsons are renowned for these type of things. Uh yeah, yeah, But because I think you know, it's a it's a it's a numbers game. Yes. So let's say the probability of something like that happening is like forty percent against you know, sixty percent, and then you bring out a sigil, and then the probability increases from from forty percent
to sixty percent, you know what I mean? Yea, And yeah that's yeah, I really, you know, I really think that's the reason why they tell us things, you know, get everybody's mind on the same way, the same wavelength exactly. I know you're a numbers guy too, And I know Zach Hubbard I think his name is. He did pretty interesting breakdown on the whole Kobe. There's a lot of people out there who think the Kobe Bryan incident was a ritual. Yeah, it could be, could be.
And what I believe, you know, it's with all these sports people, especially when you're you know, in the highest paid you know, brank of these these sports people. You're you're in the club, and the means that they will use you for stuff like that, especially when you when you don't fall into rank, you know. Yeah, Tom Brady's part of that club for sure. Yeah, because I've seen he had a huge following and then he did what did he do again? I forgot, I forgot.
People loved people really loved him. And then something happened, and what did he do? I know, him and his wife. He broke up with his wife. So he lost a little bit of cloud for that, because here you are married to a supermodel with two children, and apparently that wasn't good enough for him. But it's you know what's interesting. You know we talk about the elite athletes. What do they call the elite athletes like the Lebron James and the Michael Jordan. They call him the goat And people aren't
really aware of the meaning of the word goat itself. Yeah exactly. They just think general, oh, greats of all time, and they start using that word themselves. You know that people are really easily misled like that. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So you you had about fifteen years in the truth community looking at nine to eleven, was there any other big rabbit holes that you were passionate about? Other than nine to eleven before you
got to flat Earth, before he got the flat Earth. I've seen this documentary about It's called The Crowned Killers, and I've been looking for it ever since and I just can't be I can't seem to find it. And this documentary was explaining, you know, the bloodlines of all the royalty you know here in Europe. And not only that, it explained all the cruelties that
they made people undergo. You know, they were thirsty for blood. You know, it was like no, no, no king's reign or queen's reign would go by without you know a lot of blood being being you know, uh spilled and in the most gruesome cruel ways. You know, you can't imagine the things that that that they did to people in Europe, you know, in the back in the day, like when when you know, when
when kings were actually the real rulers of countries. And yeah, that's that's one of the things that that made me change, you know, the way I looked at things. But it was also I had this older colleague at I had this job this uh when I was I think it was twenty four, twenty five something like that, and I had this I t job and it was this guy. Uh, I never I will never forget this guy.
His name was Pablo. And I was talking to him about you know, a little bit conspiracy things not not, you know, I was, I didn't go that deep. And then he started telling me about Satanism. And he started explaining to me how I think back in the eighties, big companies were you know, I caught uh with Satanism, you know, and
I think he was talking about Procter and Gamble. There's something going on with Procter and Gamble and you could see it in their logo, and he showed me all kinds of things, you know, and that was really an eye opener because I, you know, I've seen a lot of things about secret societies and stuff like that, you know, and but I never really laid the connection with Satanism. And because of that guy, Pablo, I just
laid the connection with Satanism. And you know, that made me, you know, get closer to God even even more because of that, you know, yeah, for sure, And that that Procter and Gamble come they've been around for two hundred years, so I'm sure they have in order for being the business that that long that they got to have some type of I've never taken the trip down for that company, but I know many many of the companies who've been around that long are either in the bloodlines like the DuPonts,
or they have some type of connections to say the roth Childs or something like that. Yeah, exactly, Now I know, now, I know. Yeah, there's there's no way that company that large, that much money, you know. Uh, And there's there's no way there's no connections with with Satanism. But I didn't know that back then, so it was like a virgin to that subject, you know. And absolutely, yeah, yeah,
we're not. We have a little bit of naivety to us. We believe everything wholesale, right, And then the older we get and the more down the rabbit holes that you go, you learn that there's very little that is organic in our world. Yeah, exactly. And it scared me a little bit, you know it really, it really scared me because you have to imagine all these all these little tidbits of information. If you if you if you know, if you believe it, if if you research it, they
all all of them, they change your world view a little bit. And that satan is some thing made me really understand why there was evil in the world, you know, I just I don't know, something clicked. I understood why why? Because before that I would still be asking why. Okay, so there are secret societies and they plan to do things, you know,
and to control the world. But I couldn't make sense of like senseless killings and stuff like that, you know, like wars and and yeah, I mean I had a little bit of information about that because then Michael Serbian as well. He also explained how when you're in the army and you wear all those ingenious on your on your you know, on your uniform, those are those are also I switched to Dutch there for a second, those are
also sigils, you know. And if you shed blood in in any form of sigel, according to Michael Sarrion, you do it for a certain cause, you know, and blood has a profound, profound effect on you know, any kind of magic or sacrifices that you're trying to perform. So I knew that, but I just didn't connect that to actual Satanism, you know. And and when that connection was made, yeah, that really changed a lot. Yeah, indeed, and even beyond the patches and things that we
wore. Every single unit were in you had a motto, and the motto was always in Latin. Even the mill you know, the brains semperify, right. Every unit in the military has their own motto and it's always in Latin. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder why that is exactly. Yeah. So, uh, and that was all prior to to flat Earth, and I think I think it all went a little quicker after flat Earth. I think you're probably yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. No, I was just
gonna say, well, two things. Number One, you maybe would have looked at flat Earth the same way if you hadn't been down all those rabbit holes. But once you accepted flat Earth, you've realized that anything is possible. So while the future rabbit holes were easier for you to accept and to look into. Yeah, exactly, that's that's uh, that's part of it.
But it also what I think, and because I was telling you earlier that the awakening process that I went went through it felt scripted, you know, it felt like I learned what I learned when I was ready to receive it. Because that's really and it's really hard to explain, but it has so many layers and for me to go back and peel back every layers. It's really hard to explain, but I can only tell you how it felt in hindsight, especially in hindsight, because then you understand, Oh, if
I didn't know this, I wouldn't research that. If I didn't do that, I wouldn't do that. And there were also offline moments of awakening because I got closer to God. I was reading the Bible, I was every night, I was listening to sermons in bed, and I, you know, I it was it wasn't really a personal experience for me, so and
I felt it was scripted, and it got me closer. And every time time I got closer because you always, I always ask questions, and and uh, you know, I asked God questions and then I get answers, and sometimes the answers are not what I expect them to be. But yeah, I think I needed this, uh this slow slow cooking. You know, if I had all this information at once, I would have never accepted
it. And yeah, I would have just rejected right away. And and another aspect is, uh, you know we were talking about that time, how YouTube was, how the algorithm was, and how how how it was easier to research stuff or to get information that might interest you. That had a lot to do with with all the things that I learned after flat Earth.
And also my wife, she was very uh. I had you know, I had to I have the best wife for this situation because when I when I realized the truth about about you know, the shape of our of our realm, I went to her and I was really ashamed. I went to her and I was like, yeah, you know, I believe that that the Earth is flat. And I thought she was gonna. I thought she was gonna, you know, she was gonna think I was I was
crazy, but I just had to share it. But she just she was okay, really and then she's like, yeah, show me, And I showed her, showed her what I you know, the video said I watched and then she was, you know, hook linen and sink her. She just went, she just did a deep dive. And then after that she
came and showed me conspiracies that I didn't know about. Really yeah, so it was you know, it was it when you know, she she helped me realize some things, you know, and sometimes she brought me this so there's this I don't know, if you heard this conspiracy, have you heard of the how did they call that? The transvestigations? Transvestigations not not that I recall. Yeah, they had like a couple of names for that. It was the same time that YouTube was you know, the algorithm was open.
They weren't throwing off a lot of people. But all those people of transvestigations that did those videos you could find it under the name transvestigation or transgender. So and what the conspiracy basically is is that a lot of like the Hollywood women are actually men, are actually men. Yes, the girl who
played in Murder by numbers. So basically the thing is they're like, look for the Adams Apple right exactly, and not only the Adams Apple, because you know there are some some females have an have a bigger Adams Apple than other female. So there was there was like this trick to it, and it was you had to look at multiple things. So you have to look at the length of the fingers because I believe for a woman the index finger
is longer than a middle finger or something like that. But if a woman, because but if a woman only has a middle finger that's longer than a than or an index finger that's longer than her middle finger doesn't mean she's a man right away. So you have to look at multiple things. You have to look at the hands, you have to look at Adams apple, you have to look at where the height of the waist. That's a dead giveaway as well. And also I think uh female most of the times, UH
can only fit on her shoulders. If you would, you know, measure it. Uh, she could only fit like uh next to next to her head a half ahead and another half a head to it to the other side of the head. And for men, it's it's a larger area, a larger service area. So you could, you know, just measure it by
looking at pictures. You know, there's a there's a couple there's a couple of those uh, you know giveaways that you you have to combine them because just one doesn't mean that you know, that's that that it's a man. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And there so there's there's a couple of those
things. But when she came, when she brought me that conspiracy, I you know, I didn't give her the same courtesy as she gave me with flat earth because I thought it was ridiculous you know, and and uh, you know, and she was like, no, look at this, come on, look look and you know, and okay, I was thought, you know, okay, let's go all right. I want to I want to look into this. And then I started looking into this and then you know, I saw it. I saw it more and more and then yeah,
once you start seeing it, it's really hard to unsee. And it's not all women, you know, it's not all of them, but there's there's a couple. There's a couple that are very suspicious. Yeah, I know exactly what we're talking about. I didn't realize it actually had a name to it because I've seen people on social media that's like all they do. Megan Fox is a big one they talk about and share, which, to
be honest, in hindsight, that's not a super stretch. And some people, I think people have mentioned Madonna and Annie Lennox, the big pop star from the eighties. I just didn't know it actually had a name to it. I know now, yeah, because you know what they scrubbed it. They scrubbed it from internet. It was you know, yeah, yeah, because it was all over if you if you if you typed it in YouTube, you got so many good videos. Good and it started for me.
It started in Russia, I think, because there were there was this Russian lady that was taking it apart, but really like scientifically, you know, it was I don't know, they did it in a way that you really understood. Because when when when let's say, an archaeology archaeologist finds a couple of bones in a grave, they can always tell which one was a woman and which one wasn't man by the hips normally, right, yeah, by by everything. Yeah, because the skeleton of a man is different than a
skeleton of a woman. Yeah, exactly. So. And that Russian lady, she she she really went about it in a scientific way, you know. So yeah, you couldn't escape it, man, it was no escaping nuked. Yeah, yeah, I got nuked real quick. Now, not
really quick. They had. They had quite a run because there were a lot of channels popping up and then they started you know, censoring it like they would remove everything, you know, and then some some of those guys, you know, they made a new channel, but really quickly they removed
it again. So there's a lot of information that got lost because these people were digging up all kinds of pictures that that's you know, you can't dig up right now, and you know, the pictures of people in their bathing suits and pictures that have been scrubbed from the Internet. But yeah, and some of my some of the maybe also your altime favorites could be implicated, you know what I mean. And there were there was Cameron Diaz, yes, you remember. So when I saw it, like the title, I
was like, Noah, get out of here, you know. But then they were showing the pictures and breaking it down and I was like, oh my god, it's true, you know, it's it's really all it's Yes, it was. Yeah, that was a Yeah, that was a really a strange conspiracy to go through. Man. I hope I hope some of it because I think, you know, people save stuff on mine you might be able to find something about these things. But what I've seen now it doesn't compare. I doesn't hold a candle to how how good those uh,
those transvestigations used to be. That's interesting. Now did they ever say what was the reasoning behind it? I mean, I know with the Luciferians that everything is inverted, so it would actually have that type of meaning behind spiritual meaning behind it. But was there other meetings for them to do this? Why would you know, why would they change the gender or hide the gender of someone and have them, you know, play as a woman. Yeah,
and it's good. That's a good question. And at the time, at the time, we were and I mind you uh, you know, the trans agenda that they're pushing right now to kids and stuff like that, it wasn't as big then. And it was I'm talking about a couple of years ago. Man, it was twenty seventeen, maybe eighteen ish. You know, you had some transgender stuff popping up they you know, but it wasn't as prevalent as it is right now. You're seeing it everywhere, all
those transgender flags. So yeah, and uh when when this what was going
on, you know, with the transvestigations. I used to think And that's also what I think most people believe that if if they make all those stars you look at every day, you know in movies, if they give the females, if they give the male features, and if they give the males female features, because we are you know, we are we are used to think if if if a person has long hair and makeup on and address, it's a woman, and if it's dressed like a man, it's a man.
So but are subconscious knows the difference. So what the going theory was back then is that they were trying to make everybody gay. Basically that was the theory. And yeah, in a sense, there was all so this this dark baffle maat uh yeah aspect to it. But in hindsight now, with all those things going on with the transgender movement that they're pushing to kids,
put that, it puts that in in a whole different perspective. It does They wanted They were probably hoping that by pushing this, we would subconsciously maybe accept the transgenderism push a little more. Yeah, it could be. It could Yeah, it might as well be something like that, because you know, we didn't know back then that the push was going to go uh this far, that's going crazy. Yeah, yeah, do you see that in the Netherlands like we see it over here. The Netherlands is one of
the countries where this all started. So I believe that we have the first doctors that actually really performed these kind of operations. Really, so I think it's yeah, it's here in Europe, in the Netherlands, and also I think Denmark or Sweden something like that as well. But yeah, yeah, on zero is here, that's interesting. Yeah. I know a guy during the Weimar republican in Germany in nineteen twenty five. I think his name was
Sigmund Hirsch. I know he performed one of the first surgeries there that was like a hundred years ago, and I was shocked when I saw that. I thought this was something that had come about in the last thirty forty years. But now it's been around for a long long time. Yeah, it's been around for a long time, but the Netherlands had a major hand in making it a little bit mainstream, you know. That's interesting and normalizing it.
Yeah. Yeah, and again after flat Earth, maybe you know things that you might have laughed off or not even taking the time to look into, you feel inclined to because you remember, well, you know, I believe this, and I remember how hard it was to look into this. So who knows. So it is interesting how everybody's awakening process happens for a reason. Yeah. Yeah, And I'll tell you something, George. Even if you let's say you get introduced to flat Earth, Let's say it takes
a day. It takes two days for you to believe it. You have to still incorporate it in your being, if that makes any sense. It takes a while for your for you to completely soak up what what that means exactly. Uh and and and yeah for the because you can know something, but to intimately understand it, and intimately understanding it means that you you compare it to everything that you that that you encountered in a day to day life.
So for me, you know, I understood that back in twenty sixteen, fifteen, but it had an incubation period for until like a couple of months ago when I started, you know, listening to your podcast because I knew it, but I didn't research it actively. And then I came across your podcast and then I understood how everything I've learned back then fits into my reality right now. And it might be a little bit, uh, you know, hard to understand, but that's it's really how I see it.
What was it? Did it maybe permeate a little bit because you didn't have and I can understand this from my aspect as well. There's not a whole lot of people to talk about about it, No, you know, you know what the thing is, George. I had my wife, That's the number one person I talked about. I talked to everything about and I share everything with her, and yeah, we were both on this, you know, this rabbit hole we went on, you know, I went on a
quest for for the conspiracies, you know. So that was it wasn't something that I didn't talk about. And I had one really good friend that I showed it to and he took to it immediately. First he was, you know, he thought I was crazy. But because he knows me and he knows I'm not a crazy person, I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't mislead him or anything. I just asked him please look into this. And then like the day after that or two days after that, he called me back.
He's like, why you know what, You're right? Yeah, that's one friend, and yeah, so it's true. I couldn't talk to any to everyone about it. But I didn't know that in the beginning. So I tried, you know, and I pushed a couple of people away.
Because you will find out even though you have been a sane person all your life and people know you as an intelligent person, as a rational person, when faced with with the truth of what you believe in, and when you tell them you believe in flat earth, they immediately they write you off.
So I had to go through, sadly through a couple of instances of that happening, and me also losing you know, faith in a couple of people because you know, okay, you don't have to believe it right away, but you know me and I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't say anything wrong, but yeah, some people just they they're they're programming is so strong. So yeah, those people wrote me off right away, and I have no
contact with them at the moment. So yeah, yeah, And I think there's a lot of people listening to this right now that can that understand what you're saying. There's a lot of you know, friendships, not just necessarily
flat earth, certainly that's a big part of it. But for me, a lot of guys I served with, you know, I'm searching for the truth about nine to eleven, and they think in some way it's disgracing, you know, the soldiers that gave their life, and I'm I try to reason with them to tell them that there's the truth and then there's everything else. Do you want the truth or do you just want to conveniently packaged up and you want to you know, they'll sit and talk all day about how
corrupt the government is. At the same time, Uh, they don't want to challenge the nine eleven, the nine to eleven narrative, and they believe heliocentrism. You know, this spinning that hurtling at this speed, the ISS eighteen thousand miles. I mean, just the whole thing is is silly. Yeah, George, It's it's amazing how that works. It's amazing. I gotta give them a little bit of credit for the MK Ultra brainwashing. Uh. You know, they really they really got this down to a team,
and they really know how to do that. And you know, you've seen it with the whole uh in the last couple of years, with the whole virus thing. So yeah, people are very they're they're used to being in their comfort zone and as soon as you challenge their comfort zone or dare to take them out of their comfort zone, they you know, they just rejected. And that's why they're Also there were so so many people that were compliant
because there was this looming threat of UH. So, first of all, you have to throw away your beliefs that the government you know, has has the best intentions with you. That's that's getting out of your comfort zone. And and and then you have to risk your job, you know, for not taking any you know, any of the prescribed medicine, you know.
And yeah, yeah, that was an easy choice for people, you know, and I And for me it's like what For me, it's the more you push it, the more resistant I get, you know, and uh yeah, but not for them. That's the you know, that's the most comfortable, comfortable decision to make. I'll tell you. And I'm sorry, go ahead, finish up. I'm sorry. No, No, you're good. You're good man, You're good. I was just going to say that there's a lot of people out there who say they're not gonna fullest again.
But I'll tell you I've seen people's convictions and that everybody has their limits, and there will be a lot of people and they're starting it now. I don't know if you saw the news, but that the President's wife came down with COVID, so you know, it's right around the corner. There's news clips from the big show here in America called the view Wood be So now they're starting to pull out the famous actors and actresses and all the big names
are getting COVID again. So it's like we're replaying this all over again. And there's a lot of people out there saying that the next time that they play this card, it's going to be a lot more difficult, like literal
job or JAB digital currencies to control you. Yeah, yeah, I think I you know, I think they lost the element of surprise because there was a certain amount of people that initially went all all in, and then after a while they started backtracking, you know, and and started realizing but and and and there are also people that actually thought, oh no, this is
bullshit after their second you know, after their second JAB. But trust me, George, I know a lot of people that are going to fall for the same thing, and they're going to switch their their anger because it should be focused to the people doing this to them. And first they're going to switch to COVID. Damn COVID, you know, not again. COVID ruins every time exactly, and then they're gonna slowly switch it to the people that that haven't you know, gotten to JAB. You're gonna that's the same thing
that they did before, you know. And yeah, I'm afraid that a lot of people are gonna buy it, George. You know, I have faith in humanity, but I don't have faith in the large groups of people. You know. I'm sorry, I just I just seen it. You know, I've seen it with my own eyes. Man, people walking into a restaurant with their mask on, sitting down and then take their mask off,
like that changes anything. You know what when you sit now, you can take your masks off, but when you walk in, you have to you have to put your mask on, and they'll put you know, the waiters in the in the restaurants will be like, put your mask. Yes, everybody took power, right. It's so weird, man. And and even to this day, they have these, uh these plexiglass when you say that, these covers in front of the cash register in supermarkets and stuff like
that. So they didn't you didn't even didn't even bother to take that down because they are expecting I think, you know, it to happen again. Yeah, people wouldn't even greet their delivery men and they just yell out through the one just just leave it in front of the door. I'll get it, like these people were. Oh, it's ridiculous. When you think back, if you're in the store and you sneezed, everybody hit the ground like a grenade went off. What George and and I have? How you call
it an English hay fever? Yes, so you sneezed all the time. Yeah, And I and I go to a work. I used the public transports. I used the train. That's a very common public transport in the Netherlands. So for people that don't know, a Nelands is a very small country. So my I work a couple of towns over and uh it's I think forty five minutes with the train and a couple of towns over in the in the US would be I think four to eight hours. I'm not sure.
I'm not sure, but I know there's a big difference in you know, in sizes. So so I went, I go to work with public transport. And the thing is the hay fever. It you know, I it happens when you're in in in a confined spaces. So when I'm outside walking, you know, I don't have you know, there's nothing going on. But when when I get into the train, I start sneezing and people were giving me, oh, there were giving me the evil eyemen. They
could kill me. And I even had people standing up from from from close to me and go sit elsewhere, just because I was sneezing, you know. And and I have to tell you this, George, because they they made it mandatory to wear a mask in the train. And I think it was the first because I didn't go to work every day. I went like
once. I had to go in like once a week. And I think it was the first four times something like that that I got on the train because I knew, you know, I didn't believe it from the bat, like day one, I didn't believe it. So but you know, I felt like complying because of peer pressure. So like the first four four times I went to public transport, I put the mask on. But then I got because I am a defying person. That's just my uh, it's just
my characters, bill stick to your guns. And like four like after the fourth time, I was like no, no, I refuse, I refuse, and then I stopped wearing it. And I have to tell you this. It took a lot of courage because everyone was wearing a mask George, everyone and everyone was looking at me like is he not going to wear a mask? And you know, yeah. So it took me, like I think it was a week or something to get used to that feeling, you know, to going against the grain, you know, not fitting in and
stuff like that. But I just had to do it, George, I had to take a stand and I did it. And no, and like the train conductors that check if you are if you have a valid train ticket, like that entire period, they didn't check. They just walked past you. They were afraid to you get in area right exactly, and no one said anything to me, you know. So yeah, I got away with it. You know, I felt good. Yeah I did. And I was the same way. And I noticed two types. I got two types
of looks from people. I got the evil looks and you know, the Walmart employees that would come up and say, you know, sir, you need to be wearing a mask and observed the city. You know, they'd lay down their little rules because they were empowered. But there was also people that would kind of even if they were wearing a mask, they would give you a little nod like thank you. You know, your people appreciated the courage of the other people who were abstaining from what was going on exactly.
And it was like also because I had for my for my for my job, I had to sometimes meet with different people from different companies and then you would know if that person knew because they would offer to give you a hand, and I would be yeah, by all means nice, you know, because everyone was scared to give hands. And and then sometimes there was this person's like, uh, do you shake hands? And yes, I shake
hands, Let's go, And it felt really refreshing. And also, you know, in the supermarket and stuff like that, I would never I would not wear a mask, and you know, because I was thinking, I don't work for you guys. You know, I'm a customer. You can't make me wear something that I don't want to wear. I'm not gonna wear it. You know, I'm not gonna wear you because I view it as a uniform. That's a mask, It's it's a uniform. Can't you can't
make me wear a uniform? I did, okay, And so where I where I drew the line was at at work because there were some spaces, uh, public spaces if you went there at my job. They wanted you to wear a mask, and you know I did that because they pay me right right right, So I was like, yeah, okay, you pay me, and as long as I don't have to wear this thing all day. So if I was in my office or you know, I didn't have
to wear it, I didn't have to wear it. But if I it was passing through the public space there, I had to wear it for a second. So yeah, that's that's the only place I complied. Good stuff. By the way, I think I send a little message to somebody who's good at research. They found a documentary called The Crown Killers the Illuminati. It's about fifteen minutes. I sent you the link. If that's it, let me know and I'll include it in the show description for people to check
out. It was kind of hitting. It looks like it was hitting on YouTube and a playlist. That's what people do now, they'll hide it within playlists. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that would be awesome. If that's it, that would be awesome because it was a really good one.
You know it really because we don't I think we know these things because sometimes you learn, you know that they had torture methods and stuff like that back in the you know, the dark ages for the lack of a better term, But you don't know how prevalent it was, and and and you don't understand why they had this need to torture people and these these different ways, you know for sure. So yeah, yeah, that's a good one, man. Thanks, And I think that that without even getting into the
subjects we got about twelve minutes left. But that does have ties to like what happened with pizza gay right exactly. Yeah, Pizza gate was another one. It was another one. There was there was a hard that was the worst one. Actually think about it, because that really got to me. And it really really got to me, you know, at at a point that I got depressed and I was like, yeah, why, you know,
asking God, why are you letting this happen? You know? And it really because I have children, you know, And yes, it was horrible and and and like I was saying earlier, if you have you if you have all those little bits of information background information about other things that they they the elites like to indulge in, this just fits. It fits, and it's horrible and it's so bad because if have you ever heard of Mark
do true. Yeah, he's a documentary guy too, right. No, no, no, no, I think you're you're you're you're talking about somebody else. I think I know what you're talking about. I can't remember the name right now, but I'll let you know. Mark through It's a guy that got arrested. I think it was somewhere in the nineties, and he was arrested because he was a pedo foule and he had little girls tied up in his basement. They found little girls tied up in his basement, and
it was it was horrible. It was horrible. It was a horrible story. And but the media because only only like I think last month of the month, the month before that, I found out the real story. The media only showed him and he was you know, he was the bad guy and that's it. You should all hate him. And it was in Belgium. There's a country club next to next to the Netherlands. But everyone knew about this guy. And because he got caught, you know, he got
a trial and he went to jail. But just recently I learned that there was a big protest in Belgium because this guy, Mark du True. He he opened up about why he was doing what he was doing. He was supposedly a very poor guy. He had no money, but still he had like ten houses, you know, ten big houses. And yeah, and he was you know, he was spilling the beans about how he was doing this for the elite group of people. And that's right. This was the
big story before Pizza Gate. This this came out on wiki leagues and then the elite snuffed it out real quick. Exactly right, this is the story. Yes, but it was the fall guy then, right, No, not so much the fall guy. He just he messed up and he and he got caught. And but what happened is he opened up and he wanted
to, you know, because he wanted to. He didn't want to carry I think I think sometimes these people they have a sort of they feel burdened, uh, and that's when they get they and I don't say this lightly, but that's when they get taken out of the situation they're in and they get put like in a prison, and they get time to reflect on what they're actually doing. You know, I'm not you know, I don't I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm not saying he's a good guy.
But you know, I think that that has to do it a little bit. That has something to do with it. And then they just open up about what he was doing. Either that or it was so normal for him that he just spoke about it openly, one of the two. But yeah, he was just he was you know, he was spilling the beans. And then victims came forward and they corroborate, like everything he said, everything
to the people involved. They could like, uh, you know, they could tell people how their houses looked from the inside exactly to you know, to the rugs and paintings on the walls, stuff like that. Things intimate details that you wouldn't know if you you know, if you haven't been somewhere. And yeah, it was crazy and it got shut down in so many ways. Like the judge that was presiding, he was a good judge because
he was gonna he was gonna get it all out. The judge got replaced by another one which had ties, you know, ties with the people involved, and it was horrible. It was like it was a perfect showcase of their power. Well sure, like there's nothing you can do, No, there's nothing you can do. They killed twenty witnesses, twenty and exactly. It was like car accidents. His corpse was never found. Suicide, you know, suicide, many suicides, and then just people connected with the case,
the policeman. Just the list is incredible. This is so much like the Clintons were involved. It's horrible, George, and and and and you want to know the most horrible thing of all. So this was common knowledge in Belgium. There was a big protest in Belgium when this was happening because they were like, what is happening here? You know, they saw, they saw what was happening. But uh, you know, Internet wasn't as you know, as widely used as it is right now. I mean we
had internet, but you know, it wasn't. It wasn't like it is right now. Did you know that I knew nothing of anything that happened until months ago when I started researching it. There was nothing on the new was here, nothing, George. It was like complete you know, crickets. And I bet and I know that people I know don't know about it.
You know, I know I can just walk to the cur to any person in the street, anyone, George, like anyone in the street, like the above, a certain age above, Like I think above thirty and I can ask them do you know who Mark the truis? And they will tell you exactly who he is. But if I ask him do you know what happened? They don't know nothing, because you know, there was complete media
silence about that. That's horrible. Yeah. In Belgium, a lot of elites there, that's the head of you know, NATO, so that there's a lot of pull over there, a lot of diplomatic community over there as well. Yeah, Sam Brussels, Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, that's that's insane. That's insane. Yeah, and yes, and that's Europe. It's not only Belgium, it's Europe. So yeah, that when I found out about these things. So the market true is just the latest thing
I just found out about. You know, I knew about pizza gate or actually you should call it Peteo Gate because it's it's much bigger than just the pizza place. Yeah, right in the US. It's in Europe. I found out about that, Uh, I think like maybe a year or six months after a flat earth And yeah, it was heart chattering, man. It it broke it really broke me. It actually really broke me. So
yeah, yeah, that's the downside of being awake. I think, yeah, I agreed, And I was at that point where I kind of started looking at it and I'm like, you, I have children and grandchildren, and then somebody said something to me. It's like, yeah, well, who's going to fight for the children? Like there there's this fine line of you want to turn a blind eye because so it's horrific, because it's so horrific, excuse me. But at the same time, who who's going to
fight for these children? If if everybody just turns a blind eye to it, it's just going to keep happening if we don't shine a light on it, right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we need to talk about it, and you know, we raise awareness because that's that's a big that's already a big step forward because if you raise awareness about it, people will know about it, people will notice that, people will talk. I won't be afraid to talk about it. And that's what we need to do.
You know, get those things that are in the shadows and get them out in the light, you know, And yeah, it's you know, and I I think from the first Conspiracy lecture, I listened to those the you know, the older, the older the og conspiracy theorists. They were, you know, they had the message that if you know, then you should share because just the owing and sitting on it is no good. You know that I should share it, and you know, and the more I know
and older I get, the more I understand. So yeah, I try. I try to share it as well. Absolutely, And as we begin to bring this to a close, I do want to mention your YouTube channel before we go, but I do want to ask you one more question. And you mentioned your six silver bullets, which I'll really I'll read real quick. No observable curvature, the moon landing hoax, the big one which has not talked about enough, which is just about every astronaut was a freemason,
no photos. Everything is cgi from earther planets, the flight the flight paths is a big one, and the firmament, which is a big one.
The firmament is a huge one. And if you read the story of Noah's Ark and et cetera, the you really realize how big of a player of the firmament is in the Bible. Yeah, exactly, And it totally changes your understanding of the Bible as well, because, yeah, if you have the scientific outlook on the Bible. You you kind of view those terms as archaic as they like to call everything now right now, the Internet, I like to call it the flat earth. They call it archaic. But yeah,
you so it. It kind of takes away, it takes away a little because you have a lot of guests coming on on on on your show that that actually just found God through flat Earth, sir. And for me, it was yeah, for me was the other way because I was already you know, very close to God, you know, and you know I have a lot of faith. I wouldn't say I'm religious because I you know, I have I had my run ins and and figuratively speaking with with organized
religion. Uh. And you know I I I applaud everyone if if if they choose to do anything. You know, A lot of my friends are Muslims, a lot of my friends are Christian. I have all kinds of different friends from different backgrounds. But for me, personally, you know, I I like to keep my my faith and between me and God. Uh
and uh. But the the way it changed because even if we were spinning on on the ball and floating through space, I would still believe in God because it was so incredible for me that that we were floating on the ball through space. And I remember asking people, do you know that where you know, flying through space? What do you feel about that? Do you think that's normal? You know, I remember asking those questions, you're like
really asking because I'm a guide of person. I like to make things abstract, just keep on thinking about something and and and you know, uh, make it almost absurd. And I thought it was almost absurd, like this is how you know that we're floating through space and and everyone acts like it's normal. I just couldn't. I couldn't explain it. But still even if that was the case, I would still really believe in in there's a there's a guy because I had a personal personal Uh yeah, I just had a
personal relationship with God. So but after after Flat Earth, this it got so so much more, It got so so many It got so much more meaning to it. You know, the stars being you know what they are, stars angels actually planets also being stars and yeah, everything it just made it just clicks, you know, just you know when you know, you know, that's that's basically how it feels when you when you start understanding that. And yeah, yeah, that's that's that's a big one for me.
Yeah, likewise, not for me, the Bible made more sense and it was easier to read. Now everything kind of clicked like, oh okay, that makes sense. Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly, and and and and that's you know, it gave it gave the scientists, gave them a little bit of foothold when they try to, you know, ridicule ridicule the Bible because of the terms used, you know, they try to change that. And and now we're taking that power back. It seems like, you know,
certainly are certainly are One last thing before we wrap it up. Your YouTube channel, Borean calling almost eleven thousand followers, well done. Tell us a little bit about your channel. Yeah, so this is uh the channel it started when uh, just after I I got into flat Earth and I got into uh, you know, the the changed history, you know, the Tartaria and a totally me Famenco. I don't know if you heard about him. It's a Russian mathematician. He has books on how how they changed
the times and stuff like that. So these are the things that made me want to, you know, also share share my knowledge. And you know, I started off with all kinds of videos about the different the different history or I think I did a couple of Bigfoot videos as well. I did all kinds of things. Yeah, and and but I was also in always into Jematria. I always would run things through Jematria. And the background in that is also from the Bible, because you I don't know if you heard
of the utim and the tumim uh. Those are you know, stones that are that the priest would have on their on their chest plate. But a lot of people thinks that think that those stones were used for a form of divination, you know. And I was fascinated by that concept. And with that in mind, I always was researching every I would put everything through the
Jematria machine. And there was this time that there was one YouTuber he came out with a bunch of ye phrases that he said he received while he was sleeping and he remembered an encounter with supernatural beings and they gave him this these phrases, and because my thing was Germatria, I just put it in a Jematriy machine. And that was the first time that I started noticing there was a pattern pattern in their results that I got from the machine. So what
I did I put I get there. It was sort of a message, and it was really a rudimentary form. If I look back, it's it's really rudimentary. But I just uploaded it and shared it and got a lot of traction, and all of a sudden, I started getting all kinds of emails from from and George. I got like, I kid you not, I got hundreds of thousands of emails now, okay, hundreds, I think I think about one hundred and fifty thousand emails. I couldn't keep up with
it. I couldn't keep up with it. Everyone was sending me emails for some for some reason, explaining that they also had a dream with a phrase in a dream and if I could decoded, wow. So it started. First, I started with a couple of emails I had like ten, and I picked one and started decoding it making a video, and people would would
massively send their emails. I couldn't keep up with it. George. Yeah, still to this day, Yeah, I still do this day have like, like I think I decoded like twos of what I received in the mail.
Yeah, And through this process I got better in decoding. I just got better in yeah, putting a phrase, in going through all the results and seeing what fits, and and and and these these messages that I decode, they I use it actually as a reason or as a tool, or as an excuse to talk about different conspiracies, because it's not There are so many synchronicities with these messages, and that's a supernatural aspect of it. I just I don't know how that. I don't know how it works. I
just know it is the way it is. It allows me to take things that are happening right now, so and they're all a little bit conspiracy minded things things about like pizza, gay, things about Satanism, things about you know, the elites. It allows me because it talks about these these concepts, and it allows me to explain. So a lot of the people that follow me, when they first started following me, they didn't know about a
lot of things that I talked about. And also a lot of Bible versus or Bible oriented concepts, you know, make their appearance in the messages. So I get to talk about that. So I get to get you know, get Bible verses and explore the Bible verses and see what it what it means and how it correlates to the message, and yeah, it's cool. It's a cool thing to do, and I like it. And I have all kinds of different viewers, and you know, some are Christians, are
Catholic, others are Muslim. I have all kinds of some people you know, are just spiritual, you know, and uh, yeah, it's it's uh, it's it's it's it's cool to do. I haven't been making videos the last couple of months because after I made my last one, I got the news that a dear friend of mine passed away. And she was very young, she was thirty one, and yeah, it was you know, you know, it was pretty hard for me to h yeah, to just continue. And I have a lot of pictures of her as well as somewhere
in a folder on my computer. But it's the same computer that I used to work on, so I was just avoiding actually, you know, sitting sitting behind my computer and work on these things. And actually you're the first, you know, on my thing I'm doing right now after after that happened. So yeah, mamont condolences. I know, that's uh, that's difficult, especially when somebody's young. It's never easy. Something I look forward to.
You did a video called the World's Secret Religion, the Jamatri Decoded and you the thumbnail is I think it's the guy who did that five or six hour video who was either in Hollywood or a rock band, and he just went on and emptied his heart about what really goes on, So that I'm looking forward to that one. Yeah, So yeah, if you watch that one, you can you will understand a little bit how how it works, you know, because what I do. I take the saw the title,
the title of the video that he uploaded, the world Secret Religion. I put that in the Gematria machine, and I get all the results and I see what what message I get from that, and the message that's in there it has to do with what he's talking about. So that's basically a little bit how it works and did well. We're certainly in unusual times, and I think there's going to be a lot of activity on the world stage in
the coming months. So if you do get back to videos, I don't think there'll be a lack of things to talk about, that's for sure exactly now. And George, I'm gearing up to start again because you know, I've been the last couple of days. I've been preparing a little bit for for this, uh, this conversation I was having with you, So I would also have been through the folders and I try to try to look at some of the pictures. So it's you know, it's there's no you say
that. It's easier for me now to sit here and you know, work on stuff. And I know that I have I have a couple of you know, followers that they keep messaging me from how you're doing, you know, and I need to get back at them. And I have a lot of emails as well that I want to respond to. And you you you really gave me. Also, you inspired me to start also on Spotify. I have one, so the last one I did was on Spotify. And yeah, you inspired me to, you know, because I see you working
really hard. Uh you know, every every week I see two or three, uh sometimes four new podcasts and I'm like, yo, George's George is really putting in the work, and uh yeah, yeah, yeah, man, your your inspiration. So yeah, thank you for that. Well, I appreciate it, Rodney, And it's been a pleasure. I could talk all day. I think you're you're pretty hip to all the rabbit holes. And I could go on and on, but we'll leave it here for now, and I hope we are able to cross roads again. And it's been
great. You know. We talk about technology being a double edged sword, and it's been a pleasure being able to sit down and have a conversation with a guy on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. And you're full of knowledge. And I will have Rodney's YouTube channel and all the links, and if that video was the correct one with the Crown Killers, I'll put that in the show description as well. And you'll be able to reach out to Rodney if you have any questions. You can add to those on hundred and
fifty thousand emails that he's got in front of him. So, Rodney, it's just been a pleasure to talk to you today, and I've learned a lot of stuff and I'm sure it'll resonate with a lot of the listeners. Yeah. So you know, and like I said before, Georgia wasn't I wasn't here to plug my oh I understand channel. I wanted to do it for you. I was just here because I really like the way you're again and I would love, I'd just love to have a little conversation with you.
And yeah, that's uh, it's it's been awesome, it has it's been a lot of fun and I can't thank you enough. And again I look forward to chatting with you again in the future. So thank you so much, Rodney, and thank you so much to all the listeners out there for your continued support. And again, if you'd like to join the program like Rodney did today, it's the Flat Earth Files at gmail dot com.
And for Rodney, I am George. Everyone, have a great rest of your week, and until we talk again, keep your head on a swivel and we will see you