Episode 93: Flat Earth Conversation with Darren

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flat earth Files at gmail dot com And there you go. All right, without any further ado, we're going to bring on our very special guests joining us from Western Canada is Darren and we've been emailing back and forth for quite a bit, but we finally caught up. We have a lot in common and I'm really looking forward to the conversation. Darren, how are you doing today? I'm doing awesome. Good morning, George, good morning. It's great to meet you. So before we kick off the conversation, why don't

you introduce yourself to the audience. Yeah, can we start with prayer? Please? That would be great, father, and we just we give this time to you. Pray that you've got our words in our conversation, needed where you wanted to go, and I just prey would be a blessing to everyone who hears Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Yeah, boy. There's parts of my life that I usually don't talk about, but I really felt

I needed to share a bit of it today. Grew up in a home where my dad had major schizophrenia and he had nervous breakdowns pretty well all growing up, every two years around Christmas. But when I was a kid, I had some pretty spiritual experiences like four years old, five years old, six years old, they kind of of dreams and dark shapes come in the room, and some of these experiences they were I was awake for sure, and sometimes they'd get into bed with me. I'd have dreams where I'd come

home and they pull me down into the basement, things like that. Something as I got older, sometimes i'd go around in my dream. I'd go around the back of the house and look in the window because I didn't want to go in the house because I didn't want to get pulled down again. So things like that happened a lot. There was, you know, dreams where I couldn't couldn't talk, get carried away in the like up above the ground, kind of floating, and then I couldn't scream, and I see

it hurt other people. I have similar experiences like that. But the one thing I want to point when I was about sixteen and I got baptized on the Only Spirit. When I was twelve and still learning to speak in tongues was kind of normal. I remember sixteen, I had this the last dream I had of those, and I went into basement and I was a little fed up, and they weren't just dark shapes anymore, like lingering behind me

or you know, tall and thin. They were kind of floating, and they didn't have arms, they didn't have legs, and they had this kind of purple glowing center in the middle of them. And I stood in the basement and I pointed my finger at them all, and I started speaking in tongues and going in a circle and just really angry. And that was the last dream I had of those. So I don't know if that that holds anybody. That kind of formed a lot of you know, being a Christian.

When I was about six years old, baptizing Holy Spirit and those guy formed a foundation of in my dad. Adding schizophrenia, I found a lot of refuge in the church. So I would find people to to take me to church, go to youth group and things like that. So that was that became my family growing up, finding people to spend time with, go to the church. That's like just a love for God has been there since since day one. I went to Bible School and what was about nineteen she

where do I go from there? One question, would you say what you experienced was partially like a sleep paralysis type of deal I never had with sleep paralysis, like really can't move. I do remember times when they would come in the room and I just start praying and like Jesus helped me. Jesus helped me. And it was weird because I thought Jesus would just get rid of them right away, but that didn't happen. But I was able to go to sleep, so that was great. Sure, I think I was

more scared than anything, but it wasn't like I couldn't move. And I do know what you're talking about, and I don't know why. And maybe it's because I was a Christian, Maybe because I did have, you know, a renewed spirit that I wasn't able to fall into sleep for alliss I'm not sure exactly, but yeah, no, interesting, that's uh. And obviously a church was, like you said, it was a refuge for you

when you were going through a difficult time. Well my whole life. I remember twelve years old calling guys up and they'd come, give me ride, give me ride home. We sitting and drive way and talk for hours and stuff like that. But growing up, my dad was usually in bed, you know. I'd come home and eusually sleeping down and recovering from his last episode. Yeah, so my family wasn't really at home, although you know, home was it was fed well, was dressed well, but home wasn't

really where I felt safe, if that makes sense. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, uh she I got married in ninety nine. I was teaching by that time, and nine to eleven was a big deal for sure and for sure, and so the thing I wanted to bring up there is I remember watching this. I remember the thought that hit my head was like, boy, those terrors sure got lucky, right. I was like wow, because

like, how could they have just hit those columns just right? It just came down just right, and it's like, man, they got lucky that day. That kind of just was there, right, It was in the back of my head. Sure, And I was always kind of anti corporation, anti business. You know, these big corporations, they don't they don't really care about it, not much. But that was about it. Two thousand and two, my wife got cancer. I was a big deal.

And she was pregnant at the time, so that even made it a bigger deal because they had to hold off until the baby, our daughter was viable. I would say that that was a lynchpin are really that helped me go down the road. I wouldn't be where I am today without that. So and my wife says the same thing. But the biggest thing we learned out of that was just food. Like the more research that we did, the more we seem to realize that the most likely cause is just food that we'd

probably been eating, or maybe bathroom products that we'd been using. How does a thirty year old, viable, healthy woman get cancer, Like, where does that come from? And it was limpomous, so it's in her immune system. Right. So when I when I talked to people about my awakening, you know, I've been saved a whole life. And one of my big all the time a creation evolution. I just was passionate about that.

I teach kids in school about, Yeah, the woodpecker with the tongue that wraps around its head, and trees that go through many fossilized layers, and I love Kn't Hogan, the dinosaur guy and Doctor Dino. So those things I was just passionate about. So that was always rested in my crowd too. But my awakening started two thousand and four. I watched a movie called Amazing Grace And if anybody hasn't seen that movie, I just just love it.

It's the biography of William Wolverforce and put an amazing, amazing He basically poured himself out to fight slavery in Britain. And this is before the Civil War Greater around the same time, but before the Civil War in the States. And at the end of the movie, I was just like wow. And then I started going through the extra credits, the extra resources, and they had links in there about the slavery still going on in the world. I'm like, no, slavery camp you God thought we fought all that stuff.

I thought because Lake in high school, we were always taught that we brought freedom and democracy everywhere, and all these wars are about helping the world and fighting communism, and we just have the greatest civilization ever and we're just spreading it. It's like, slavery cam't be going on. What are you talking about? So I started doing its research, like, well, we

macharl, there's slavery going on in the world. I read a little story about ick Ball, this little Pakistani boy twelve years old who made soccer balls in Pakistan, and then I learned about these kids who are chained to weaving looms to make rugs for us, and just started like, oh, my

goodness, he's brick making kids. Ever read about the kids that make bricks and Indian Pakistan and over there and just slave boy all day to make bricks for other people in other countries, And I'm like, this is is is crazy? And then the big book was The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein. Have you ever read that, George, what was it called again, Shock? The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Kahin, No, I have not. I'm writing it down now as we speak. Though. Yeah, she's a Canadian

investigative journalist. She's totally on the climate bandwagon now, so I'm not I'm not a huge fan anymore. But The Shock Doctrine is an amazing book. And she's got a whole chapter in there on on what shock is, and she gets an mk ultra in the CIA and all that stuff. And then the premise of the book is this is that anywhere free market capitalism has gone in the world, it's always been preceded by a shock. And sometimes those

shocks are manufactured and sometimes they're natural. She goes into the asunami that happened in near India there and Thailand. Well that sosnami wiped out prime oceanland right like Maui right now. And uh, but so they took the fisherman and they took their boats, and they gave them the land like a mile inland, and then they took over a lot of the shoreline and put up major

resorts. That happened like all over the place. She talks about Iraq, how they bombed and bombed Iraq like crazy, and you know a lot about this. Yeah, we brought all freedom by dropping bombs on them. Yeah. Well, then they wanted to rebuild the country, George. And there's all these people, all these poor people in Iraq, and there's all these companies over there, and they actually make cement. But the West didn't use the people of Iraq, and they didn't use the companies of Iraq to rebuild

Iraq for ten times the cost. They brought in cement across the ocean, and they brought into workers and companies from across the ocean to rebuild Iraq. And the name when he gets into that, it was like this is just insane. And she gets in a whole bunch of she gets into a lande and the overthrow of different countries. What's the Chicago School of Economics is a big topic in the book. It very much matches up with John Perkins The

Economic Hitman. Basically, the West is they sell loans to countries all over the world. They want to build infrastructure, they want to make their countries better. So the World Bank and the IMF go in and say, yeah, we'll help you out. We'll give you We'll give you all this money and just sign this contract right here. And for some reason you can't make these exorbitant payments. They wouldn't use that word. Then all the resources of

your country are collateral. And that was what John Perkins did in The Economic Hickman. He talks about that, And there's a quote in a book, Oh No, I think the only kind is a There's a man named Davis and Buddy and he worked for the IMF for twelve years and I'll never forget the quote. He resigned and he wrote a letter to them and he says, the names I have, the things I've done, and the name of the IMF I'm rephrasing. I can't remember exactly, but they haunt me.

He says, the blood is dripping from my hands. In fact, it's caked on and dried, and I can't get it off. All the things I've done in the name of the IMF. Yeah, and you can actually find that video on YouTube. He did an interview for like an hour ninety minutes. But he's speaking in another language. So I always wanted to play that as part of we do classic audio on the other podcast, but it's I don't remember which language he speaks, but it's subtitled. And yeah,

he really he gets it. He understands that, you know, the bankers. You know, you can have whatever, you can talk about your Prince Charles, you can talk about your your bidens, but the people who run this world are the bankers. Definitely. Definitely, so right around the same And I've always been involved in the church and as a youth group leader, but right around the same time, my wife and I started feeling a little bit uncomfortable, like what are we doing here? What is this? What

are we doing every Sunday? And I think part of that is we had little kids. We had a four and a three year old I think at a time maybe three and a two year old, and so go to church is hard. Just getting there is is good, and then getting home is the day is hard, just to get the church and get home, and it's a lot of work. It's like what are we doing here? It's like, what is this sting church? And the word that we started to

churn in our heart was repentance, just a really need for repentance. And I'm reading this book and I'm realizing that this life that we have here in

the West. I had always been told it's it's the residue of us living for God and all this beautiful Christian heritage that we have, and there's some truth to that, but I began to realize that most of this comfort that we have in the Western world has been built on the blacks and the bodies and the blood of the third world nation, and we've basically stolen their resources

from Him so that we can have materialism. And if you've never seen the Story of Stuff, that's a great little video and I've played that kids in class. She's got amazing quotes in there, but she says after the Second World War, there's a quote by a government official where he says, we need to make materialism the new religion where we consume stuff in ever and ever greater quantities, and that became government policy back in the fifties. And so

you can see that the Western world, that's exactly what we've done. But we haven't done it on our own. We've we've stolen it flat out. Yeah, and the church isn't you're not saying anything. We don't really talk about it that much. And my church was it was a non denominational, charismatic church, and so we weren't directly involved, but we are very much linked to Have you heard of the NR or the Reformation? Yea, so I started, you know, learning a little bit that. But this group

is all about prophets and prophecy. Well, these prophecies are these prophets are supposed to be hearing from God. God's supposed to be speaking to them, but you never hear you read prophets in the Bible. And that's not what they're talking about. They're talking about our sins. They're talking about the things that we're doing wrong, the things we need to repent of. And if you repent, then God will bless us. And if you don't repent,

then then not have to punish you there's a great verse. It says, God says, I love judgment. I love judgment, And what is judgment? It just it means I'm going to bring you back onto this narrow path again. Let's come back. We're going to go back to the ancient ways,

the true ways, the simple ways. That's what God says. And so I'm learning these things and I'm like, uh, And then I got into I found Loose Change and Alex Jones and nine to eleven, and you know, the pieces started to fall into place about what is this thing that we're living in here? What are these things that has happened. You can't have girder has cut at forty five degree angles, and you can't have molten metal that is hot for months on end, and you can't have buildings fall

at free fall speed, and on and on and on. The gold stolen from from New York the day before it happened was in two point three trillion dollars from the Pentagon. Just going to mention that two point three and there's a beautiful number that two point three seems to come up a lot. Uh. Yeah, So they're just lying to us, they're lying to us, lying to us. So Basically at that point, my wife and I stopped watch and TV. You know, Survivor, it was a big show back

then, and we just started watching documentaries, documentaries every single night. What documentary were gonna watch tonight? And that was just an amazing time, just learning so much food inc the Corporation. There's a great video ah, etcetera, etcetera. And one guest on Alex Jones and time with Steve Quaile. It's like, oh, who's this guy named Steve Quayle started listening to Steve

Quaile. Holy Moly, there's some rabbit holes. And so Steve Quail had a guest one time named Tom Horn and they did this six hour, I think trilogy podcast on Genesis six, and I in combam just the whole the Bible just opened up in a way that never ended. Steve Quail says, Genesis six is the Rosetta stone of the whole Bible. And then we just

just dove in. I just I don't know where I go from there, but uh, learning about the ephelum and giants, and I'd always been a lover of ancient history sure, and things just really made so much more sense. And you know, a big one off of that is as it was in the days of Noah social be when the sun of Man returns, and so now we're sensing okay, things are spiraling, things are going in this direction. Oh. The Book of Joshua, they practiced the mixing of species

in order to provoke the Lord. Oh, we're doing this again. We're practicing the mixing of species. Not only are we doing or passionate about it. Oh, we want to mix the animal DNA with human DNA. Yep, okay, I'll pause there. Yeah, that's a perfect place to pause and hold on. Let me write that down, because that's something I want to talk to you. I have like nine questions to ask you just on that you talked about. You've touched on a lot of important things, and

I've changed my life as well. I don't remember which document entry it was, but the products that you use in the shower, the shampoos. But the most alarming was, uh, you know, I never you know, I was. I wasn't an athlete growing up, but I played sports year round through school. In the military, I played on a few soccer teams until nine to eleven, and then we didn't really have a lot of time

for fun stuff. But you know, if you look at the ingredients on your deodor and one of the most absorbent spots on your body, I think the two. And I might be wrong, folks, make sure you check me, but just don't use Google. But it's the armpits and I think the bottom of your feet are like the most absorbent parts of your bodies, like sponges. And you put yeah, and you put aluminum in you know, under your armpit, and then you know, you look at the it's

just man, is that something that? And then you can I can go on about shampoos, about suntanan suntan lo. Yeah, you don't get you don't get skin cancer from the sun. You get it from this this untan lotion exactly. So yeah, we changed wholesale. We use a lot of

Tom's products. You know, we were into the you know, the body washes, like the old spice or whatever was the but for the last however many years, it's been you know, we use the I can't think of the name of the soap, but it's just straight soap, no fragrances, no additives. Uh no, it's I want to say it's from England, but it's it's it's just very pure. And what was the next thing?

So you've gone through a lot in your life, specifically when you were younger, and I think one of the common themes that I've noticed through interviews and then my own reflection on life is the people who go through a lot of trials and tribulations are going or currently are the stronger ones. And when things really go sideways, I think those are the people who are more likely to succeed when they really put their foot on our throats, if you know what

I mean, Oh, totally totally young. In order to build up our muscles, I have to be broken down exactly. And we will talk about your homesteading and everything else here in a little bit. The next remark, I guess is you'd mentioned the slave trade around the world. I did a podcast on this some time last year. Now, obviously, you know, you hear, you can read reports, and there's numbers out there. You

don't really know whether it's high or low, but I've seen numbers. I think the most average number is fourteen to fifteen million slaves in the world, and most of them are in Asia, particularly I would say Eastern Asia, and it's there's just millions and millions, And what you said is like the thing. And I've told my wife this, I've told my children the things we enjoy just looking around my office right now, that the computer monitors my

mix or my TV, my musical insustry's. Most of them are made in like China or the Philippines, places where the people making these things are getting like a buck or two bucks an hour. Yea, what do you say, George. I talked to a friend about this and he said, oh, but their lives are better than they would have been. No, yeah,

no, I've why don't we help them build their lives? Yeah, these people were like six sometimes seven, twelve hour days a week, and they don't get over time, they don't get dental h and they live where they work. That's what a lot of people don't understand. They will work, they'll just clock out. They'll go to their little get their soup kitchen, get you get their slop in their soup, and hang out. Yeah,

and go right back back at it the next day. Now, this one I was I did contracts in Iraq And I think you said her name was Naomi Klein. Yeah, she's right for the most part. Now, here's what they did. They would be it out the small contracts to the local people. So I did contracts for concrete pads and and like latrines. They would set the latrines and come once a day and clean them out,

you know, the porta potties. They would get the small contracts. But anything with you know, food services, laundry, building, force protection, with the tea walls, anything like that always went to either Kellogg, Brown and Kabar or some other big company. They would they would throw the minnows to the local people make them feel good about themselves. But anything over well, I don't want to put a number on it, because I'm sure there's

a few locals that that did okay. But for the most part they got they got crackers, right, They just they just got the very small contracts and man some of the contracts and the fact that eight billion dollars was missing from l. Paul Bremer, who was just flown in palettes of cash for him to use it his discretion, and then when they audited everything, he was short eight billion dollars, and nobody blinked an eye, Just like nobody

blinked an eye about the two point three trillion dollars and it's infuriating and I'm so thankful. I do a nine to eleven special every year on the Fact Hunter, and I actually had a gentleman reach out to me. His dad was a firefighter and he died on the forty fourth floor trying to get up

there and save people. He knows that nine to eleven was rus and he's going to speak out about it. So it's it's encouraging to see people, like for folks in the truth community, to see actual people who were affected directly by nine to eleven, to see those people come out and speak and say, yeah, we know, yes, my dad was a hero.

Obviously his dad was a great hero, but also to the effect that you know, I know that my father should be alive today and it's all because of X, Y and Z. I think that's very strong and that speaks to the fact, like what we're doing right now, we're having a conversation, it's going out to a lot of people and we're making a difference. I think that's how we've kind of win win over more people and eventually, if there's a tide to turn, this is one way to do it.

The other thing, you were talking about it. It's very interesting. I saw a video three or four months ago we talk about once and needs. They gave this paper to a guy who was eighty years old, a guy who was forty five, and a guy who was eighteen, and they said put a W for want and an end for need, and they had things like cell phone, food, water, And it's interesting the eighteen year old when it got to cell phone, it was an end, it was a

need. And I think that's a big part of our problem today. Is a lot of people and I'm not limiting it to an age group here, but there's a lot of people out there who don't truly understand the difference between once and need. It's what are your thoughts on that? No, they don't, And I think it's the end of empire. I'm thinking where the materialism, the hedonism, the pleasure all kind of gets wrapped up in it, and we don't truly understand what it means to have a harder life but

a more content life. We become weak, we become a spineless. It's it's all part of the and I don't know if it can be fought because it's a cycle of history. Yeah, there's a great paper out there about the end of Empires and I was written by a military man, just excellent. He has seven empires in there, and he goes through the common denominators of every empire, ends up with materialism and hedonism and pleasure, and that

the foreigners coming in and the evaluation of the dollar. So I think the best that we as a remnant can do is just get ready for those that can be take Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And man, I had something I was going to say, and and then I was just listening to and it dropped out of my head. But going back to the food, everybody heard of the roth Child. So everybody's heard of the Rockefellers and

the DuPonts. Yeah, I would encourage everybody to research this family, the Cargos, C. A, R, G. I, L. L. And they, I want to say, they own about seventy percent of the food that gets distributed, certainly here in the country, and they have

a large handle on it worldwide. And if you look at all the lawsuits, because we talk about often that we know about Black Rock, we know about Vanguard owning all the corporations, but it's the same story with our food, and that goes back to what you were saying is being cognizant of what you eat, because we are being poisoned in our brains. Right, Oh, you got a dandylion, you better go get some round up and spray

round up on something that can heal. And then we're eating processed food, which is causing a lot of the issues that we're encountering later in life. Well totally. That leads right in to the next part of my stories. About two thousand and eight, we said, you know what, we need

to get control of our food or we're gonna die. You know, I was learning, like Mike Adams had a video on they spray plastic on foods in order to make a last longer, this thin sheet of plastic, and it's been approved, Like that's insane, Like who do things up stuff like that except psychopaths. But then they saw it to us, Oh yeah,

it's just fine. So we endeavored to get out of the city and really living in Cologna at the time, So we looked around and we that we moved up to the West Coutnees and got an acreage and we had a little kids and we were able to raise our kids in homeschool on an acreage. We got a cow. I milk the cow for several years, just amazing. Raw milk is just so good. We had a jersey so my wife and I love coffee, and there's nothing better than jersey cream and a coffee

in the morning. I tell you, that's just a bit of heaven. I remember that first meal we sat down too, and her parents moved onto property with us, so we had a three generation farm and which was just beautiful, and they helped with the homeschooling, especially my mother in law. And I remember the first meal we sat down too, and there was no meat, no meat at the meal. It was all kind of like fall vegetables. And I've never eaten a meal that felt so rich and dense and

incredibly nutritious. And my body was just like, oh, it was just like where did this come from? Type thing? It was just beautiful. So this is what food is supposed to be. And part of that conversation in my heart at the time too, was like they robbed this from us.

Two. You know, there's stuff in the grocery store is just another facade of what real food is, and we've let this be taken away from us as well, and you know, so live in a life where we can take that back, like real nutrition, real health coming right out of the ground. I remember one of the documentaries we'd watched before is that I learned about in New York parents were buying dirt bacteria for their kids because their

kids were getting sick when they came in contact with dirt. So they would go, you know, and get this special thing down at the door so their kids would become accustomized to dirt bacteria. Just like, what, what what is this culture we're living in? This is It was just one of the things I like, this is loupy. This is loupy. We got it. You know, Let's get our kids in the country and do something about that. So those are those are really good years, really good years

on the farm. That's awesome. And while we're kind of still on health and things like that, you had mentioned how Genesis six kind of changed the way you looked at things and how you read the Bible, and it kind of opened your mind to other things, maybe who might be involved in a lot of the evils And then you're also seeing those things today, you know, whether it be the big trans push which also is a big part of their push for lowering the population. Right. They're big on that. You

hear Bill Gates talk about that all the time. The Georgia Guidestones. The very first rule on there was keeping the world population at five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature, right, whereas God says, go forth and multiply. So I want to real quick, and I don't know how deep dived you've gone into this, but vaccines I pulled out the CDC dot gov the ingredients. Now they say these are the excipient ingredients. Which are they just

they serve as the vehicle, right? But you look what's in vaccines and the common ingredient for maldehyde aluminum. And I will folks listening, I'll put this in the show description and it is from the CDC. This isn't from Natural News or anything like that. This is from the CDC saying what is going inside your bodies? Have have you looked into vaccine and what are your

what are your thoughts on them? I've looked. I couldn't like teach somebody about it, but what I what I know about it is it they're vial and they're just pure poison and we did not vaccinate our kids, so I think our first daughter we did. But it was right about that time that we were waking up and we stopped at pretty quick. So yeah, I mean, and this is way before COVID, right, so right, right, you know when COVID hit, we were we were out from day one

on that one, which is actually a whole nother subject. But when do you when you look at how they do vaccines, there's a couple things about it. Is a lot of the technology is based on how stakes inject venom into their to their prey. And another technology, when you get into how it works, it's like a rape of the cell. You're basically first forcing something into the cell that in God's view, the way God designed to cell wasn't designed to do. So there's a raping and an injecting that is a

violation of the way the God's designed us. And when you look at that technology, that's that's the philosophy behind how how the vaccine works. When you look at it that way, it's like, well, that's evil. It's not that just bypasses everything God's design. Why would I do that? Agreed? And the flu shot from twenty twenty one included a piece of a sell proteins from a kidney from a dog. It's called Maiden Darby cane on kidney and don't believe me, look it up for yourself. It's literally from a

dog and we're putting this in our body. It's just unbelievable. An animal semen, yep. And the worst one, the worst one is aborted fetal sauce. So now we're involved in cannibalism. So yeah, no, I mean, it's just it's just viole right from from the beginning it is. It's certainly not going to do it. No, not going to do it. If we build anything, you know, the end does not justify the

means. If we whatever we're building, if we're sinning in the process of building something, then that foundation of whatever we're building is built on sin, and it be it permeates the whole, the whole structure. Well said, let's continue in your journey. Yeah, uh, where do I go from

their all? I I mean, part of what some of the things that are dear to my heart is we were attending a local church here at the time, and some things are starting to alarm me there because they were a lot of people there that were I would call them Betheltes, people who go down to bethelert places like that and bring back those teachings and that doctrine.

So I spent a lot of time researching the foundations of an aar and the prophetic movement and not really not really impressed with with what I was seeing. Yeah, I don't want to get too deep into that right away, But

it's soul. It's it's based on soul. It's and when it's sorcery, it's you were declaring something, You're exerting your will through something like a lot of the teaching is if your will is strong enough, if you want something strong enough, if you pray for it hard enough, you can make it happen. Declaring things from the pulpit or you know in prayer that you're almost like forcing God to do so if you do something in the right way,

then God's going to come through for you. And Bill Johnson, there's a pastor at Bethel, has said something he doesn't believe that God would allow anybody to be sick, like God hates well, God does hate sickness. But if you believe that nobody can be sick, and if you're sick that you've just missed it, or your faith isn't strong enough, if you've sinned somehow you're missing, you're missing how God wants to raise us up. God's goal isn't for us to have a life full of peace and joy and happiness.

That is not not what we're doing here. God's goal is to build the image of his son into us, to build the character of God into us, and he will do whatever it takes to make that happen. One of my favorite writers is Oswell Chambers, and the title of his biography is Abandonment to God. You know that we would be utterly abandoned to him, and we'd be like Shadrack Mishak and the Bendigo. So we will not bow down to your idols. And we know that our God is able to save us.

But if he doesn't, we still won't bow down because you know, and there's another thing David said, even though he slay me, yet will I praise him. That's that's the attitude I want. That's that's where I want to want to go with it. Okay, So I think the flatter attorney would probably be probably next. I got a good friend and he was just kept talking about flatterth flatter, and I'm down a lot of rabbit holes. I mean, I think once you get down to neph alone, you

get to Fritz Springmyer and Bloodlines of the Illuminity Rust Dizdar. I have several books by Rust Dizdar, and he is all about what was God bless see him in Heaven No, the Black Awakening. He's good. That's where Rust Beliezer's millions of people who have been satanically and sexually sexually traumatized, they've been basically it's like an MK ultra thing. But you haven't if you you were Ruststor's work at all. Vaguely, I'm very aware obviously them k Ultra.

I'm very familiar with mister Springmyer's work. I've done research and I have all his books, but not so much. Yeah, rest would be like a satanic ritual abuse that angle dis dar d I z d a R. Thank you Dar. He wrote a book, a book called The Black Awakening, which is probably his most well known one. When people are traumatized and they go through a trauma and you get into MK ultra and what what the dark side the elite do at different levels is they deliberately traumatize people. It would

get into like an adrena chrome type situation. But instead of doing an adrena chrome angle, you know, extracting that I guess they would extract soul. You could look at would would be a great way to look at it. So traumatize the individual and when someone has that much fear of that trauma, then they regress it that they can split apart. And so what they do

is they directly split the soul. And they've developed ways of this gets into army stuff too, like there's people have come out and testify it that the different divisions of the army will do this on purpose. It would get into like a Manchurian candidate type thing. So there's a direct splitting of the soul. And then that soul split, you can in the ceremony you can then attach a demon to it. And the women Aody do this. They do

this with their their teenagers when they come of age. They go through a special ceremony and Russ has talked about it about this. They'll go to a special ceremony and they will somehow they will attach a demon to that split personality. And you could do this many, many, many times. I think the soul is I don't. I don't think we fully understand what our soul is. But you know, you look at Jesus right, we are a legion. There's thousands of demons and how do you get thousands of demons inside

of body? And there's so there's something to who we are and what we are that I don't think we fully comprehend yet. Which is a really important question I want to talk about today is why do the demons care about us, the fallen angels? Why are we so important to them? Why don't they do they just want to I just want to hurt God if they just want to cause gods. But I just want to drag as many souls down to Hell as I can. I don't think that's the full picture. I

think there's something more that they want. There's a there's an end goal in the game. Yeah, So rust is Star Rusty Star. That book is eighteen hundred dollars on I guess it's not produced anymore. Uh, it's really hard to find on Amazon it's eighteen hundred dollars and on other like ISBNs dot net where they can usually find them. There there's no new, no use, no Reynolds. But yeah, how put the link to check it out?

If you have eighteen hundred dollars dot com, let's say again try Lulu dot com is self publishing, so he did a lot of his books through Lulu. Oh, okay, gotcha, I'll check it out. That's very all right, So I think I've been out a lot. Sorry to go aheaders. No, no, I just said that's very interesting. I need to find at least the PDF or fucking get it affordable. I'll definitely get

it. Go ahead. I'm sorry, didn't mean interrupt. Yeah, Russ's a great teaching like, if anybody's interested in spiritual warfare, I highly recommend him. So I got this friend and he's not a Christian, and he's like, you're at this flat, dude. I'm like, I don't know, man, and both this time I Canary Carry Radio. One of my favorite podcasts, Gone's, Gone's and Basil There's so much fun. So I listened to them a lot, and Gone said did a great documentary. Ah,

what was it called? Again? It was about the nim and the fallen Angels. Great, great work. So he had this guest around twenty fifteen. And sky's talking about flat and ironically, I just listened to your interview it was Mark Sargeant, and uh so I'm listening to this podcast. I'm like. And I woke up the next morning and I went out my door before I started working, I looked up at the sky and I remember screaming, and I was I was looking into a hollow earth theory at the

time too. It was justin Fallow and watched his documentary and I thought, this flatter thing is a it's got to be a CIA psyop. They're trying to distract this from all over. And I looked up, I looked up at the sky and I just screamed in my heart. I don't live in a terrarium. Just it just felt wrong, It just felt weird, and I just I talked to my wife about it, and she's like, we're not talking about this. She was so opposed to it. It was just

like there's just no way. And so I dropped it put in the shelf. But my friends still needling me still every time we talk. And I said, what difference does it make whether we live on a ball or on a flat plane. We still have to deal with Jesus we have this man that came died Rose again and we have to know what who he is and what he said. That's that's the game. And he's like, no, you know, it's pretty important. She says, come out on a test

for me. All right, sure, let's let's do this. So finally we did it, and we went out on our link up here and we were able to do a ten mile test and I sent the link to the video to you to that today. And I had that camera six inches off the water, and he had his laser light a foot off the water at the other end, and dot laser light was pinpoint right in the camera, just right there. And I'm like, m And I'm a math teacher. It's one of my main subjects. And I tried to do the math once

and I gave up. And then I did the test and I'm like, okay, we're doing this. And I took about an hour and I finally got my bropped my head around and I did the math and I'm like that checks out. There's no way, And anybody out there who's talking about refraction, give me a break, Like, I don't even know how you can call yourself a lever of science or a lever of math. Refraction doesn't even remotely compensate for sixty six feet a drop at ten miles. It doesn't even

come. You wouldn't even make a foot. Come on, it's not going to do it, no matter what conditions you're talking about. So I'm like, okay, that's that's definitely a problem. And so then I dived into flat Earth and I've probably been researching nothing else for the last few years because I got Hendrew's book, and I read Gleason's book, and I David wardlaw Scott on. The biggest one is Dean Odle. I love that guy. I mean, he's he's got a book in the prophetic movement too, so

that I love that. But his book, As Clay Pressed to a Seal, that's the best book I've read on the subject because he brings it all back to Jesus again. It's that's the center of it all. He's the center of it all. Denotos video presentation on flat Earth is just phenomenal and I just loved it. And so I know you always ask, what are the lynchpins? Well, we can see too far. That's just that's game over right there. We can see too far, submarines, sonar radio waves,

line of sight weapons from the military at one hundred miles. That just throws everything out the window. For Probably the other big one for me was learning about pressurized atmosphere. There is just nowhere you can have two gases of different pressures next to each other and not dissipitate in equal wise. There's just no scientific, scientific evidence for that anywhere. And that's the thing I loved about flat Earth. I'm learning more science than I've ever learned before in my

life. The knee on gas is all shining at different colors when they get eliminated by the sun. That's just a beautiful one for me. The Aurora Borealis one of the most significant experiences of my life where God really made himself real to me. Just I felt like he really dived into my heart. Was a knight. The Aurora Borealis is out, and I just the only thing I could say in my heart again again, I never knew, I never knew, I never knew, And what I meant was his glory,

His majesty is awesomeness. And I never knew anything about flat Earth at the time. But the Aurora was just dancing over my head that night, and now I realize that now the aurora is in Revelation four talks about the green rainbow around the throne of God. You know. Wow, you know it's that magnetic mountain that lives at the center of our creation. That's right, that reaches up to Polaris. That's what the aurora is. So when you

see the orlen hits everybody that's just dancing around the throne of God. It's his glory. So that that's a significant connection for me because I didn't know before then when I had that experience, and now that I do, I can make that connection and that's a beautiful one for me. Yeah, it

is. And it's funny because we talk about Maker all the time that the people who are not on Team God, who control the world, the magnetic north Pole, the mountain itself is called Rupus Nigra, which is also known as black Rock, and who controls up most of the world right now exactly. And Mercator it said it's thirty three French miles and side. So there's your thirty three two So yeah, amazing, yep. And you said that was Revelation four. That's right. The rainbow, Yeah, there's another person

I think in Isaiah or Jeremiah, that might be Daniel. Where it brings up the light around the throne. Yeah, Revelation four three. Yeah, that does really uh. And that he sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone, and there was a rainbow around about the throne in sight like untwo emerald. That's amazing. Yeah. And you just had to be standing there and all watching this amazing. I was lying flat on my on my back and on my face. I couldn't stand up. Yeah.

You know, being in the in the desert in Iraq is not really pleasurable. But what I will tell you is because there's no light pollution and a lot of those places you could see the stars like nowhere else. Amazing. Some of the nights we had there when we weren't getting more dirted rocket. One thing I've noticed out here is just the naked eye. Some stars are just incredible and they flash red, white and blue and sometimes you can

see it green in there, just like that's pretty awesome. That is phenomenal. Now I'm assuming and maybe I'm leaping too far here, but your wife on board. Now, when I did the laser test and I came home when I was doing the research and I started bringing it up with her. I have no explanation for it, but she was like, yeah, that makes sense. Every single rabbit hole we've gone down, and we've gone down together, and there's really been none that we've really disagreed on it. It's

just always walking down together. And it's been a really cool thing. Yeah. When when I got on board, she was right on board with me, and it's really awesome. That's amazing. That's great to hear. And have you had any luck sharing this with family and friends in the community.

No, welcome to the club. I was really excited when, like when I was learning it and I had a staff conference and I'm with my my vice principal and his wife who's a nurse, and I started sharing about James Cook and uh, sixty five thousand miles around not fine, and you know, the perimeter of Antarctica and seeing too far and etcetera, etcetera, and a lot of nods and stairs, and it just didn't get very far. That was an early experience I got. We have a home church and got

some good buddies in there. One guy listens and he's he's I think he's going to come around. My other friend, he's just a big skeptic. He's still he still thinks nine to eleven happened through terrorists. So it's but he's such a good brother. He loves a word of God so much.

I just wish he'd he wasn't such a skeptic sometimes about conspiracy stuff. But his wife is a flat earth and she's a yeah, and she's a student of the word, like she's always in the this Hebrew word means that, and this Greek word means that, and she knows that rakiya means and she knows what like the Amos four versus about the vaulted the vaulted dome, but they just completely disagree on it. So but as far as convincing anybody myself,

No, I found people you don't have conversations and I'll look at them and go flat around and they're like flat like, and then we go down the conversation. But not anybody. I have one friend in Kelowna, and I brought it up to him one time and and we didn't talk that much after that. You know, we're kind of reconnecting again. But the conversations that happened periodically, they kind of stopped for a bit, so I got gotta do a big, flat out no. Yeah, it is difficult,

and that is a million dollar question. I get emails and people saying, hey, can you call me. I just there's somebody very important in my life that I'm trying to wake up and I just can't do it. And that is you know, I've learned less is more. The two big things that I tell people is less is more and they just have to be ready

to accept the information. Yeah, and I learned that. That was one of the first things I learned about flat earth because after I woke up in my little two weeks of I guess like a locust losing its shell, right, Askato losing its shell? And then I was a new guy and realized everything. I was excited, like you, and I wanted to share it with people, and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, mister crazy pants, what are you talking about? Yeah, and it reality punches you

in the face really quick. Yeah. I want to learn to I want to get better at the Socratic method. I'm really trying to incorporate that into a lot of what I do. Just ask questions. Yep, yes, try to get You had a guest recently to talk about just kind of setting something in there and letting them go you on it and turn on it, And I really think that's the best way. One of my favorite questions is what scientific proof do you have that you're at the spinning? You know,

can you do you have any evidence for that other than NASSA? Right? Yeah, yeah, And I thought more people would That's a great one. Yeah, it is. It is. I thought more people would come around after the COVID thing, because you know that little rumor story the other day talking about that down here, Biden's talking about bringing back mask mandates, and

you know, I'm telling people they got to get the vaccine again. So I've seen on you know, even social media that the normalist of normies of people, I know, we're saying, I'm it's not going to do it. But once again and again, it really speaks to the level and how much effort they put into the propaganda into making it such a stigma. Is I mean, just flat earth is I mean, if I don't know what percent what what what percent of people just in North America or whatever, would

you say are hip to flat Earth? Is it one percent? Five percent less than one percent? Oh, I don't know. I know Dave Weiss and Mark are way more in the game on that than than I am. And they say it keeps growing. I think they're right, it is growing. They're not going to be They're not going to be able to hide it forever. Our technology is outrun their lives, right. Indeed, I think that I meant that Indian. Yes, I said that India video. But

your friends of mine this, I said it to the skeptics. By the way, the skeptics haven't replied. But you know, my one friend, she she just emailed back as you had. Wow. She was just hysterical about it. That's ridiculous, and it is. It's completely ridiculous. I don't know. Why don't they spend more money on CGI for I don't I don't get that. I don't get that. I think part of it in the Indias go ahead. I'm sorry. India's a pretty good computer India's a

pretty good computer country. I mean that's they got graphics, guys are Yeah, I don't get that was cringe between the Atari twenty six hundred level video and that. I don't know if it's their prime minister. What's sitting there with a fake smile waving their flag? It was so cringe. They're laughing at us. The friend that got me into flod Earth. He thinks they do this on purpose, you know, just trying to make us wake up. I don't know. He might be right, like daring us. Yeah,

like just how far? How far away can they get? With and still the lemmings remain lemmings. He might have a point, for lack of a better word, where do you find flat Earth in the realm of conspiracies? Number one? Number two? Number three? Oh it's number one. Yeah, I mean we're talking about we're talking about the creational world, the end the greatest engineering task of of eternity. Well I shouldn't say eternity. I don't know what God's got for us, but of this time and space.

This is the engineering marvel, this beautiful, glorious terrarium we live in. I love what the guy wrote, Doctrine of the Flat Earth. Starting to read that what's his name again? Okay? He mentions it beginning there that every engineering feed needs a foundation's right, So what's the foundation the foundation of this of this place? With it and Jesus is a cornerstone, and that just to me, that's that's awesome. So what's the foundation of a

heliocentric, spinning, combobulated universe. What's what's the foundation of that thing? Gravity? Is that your foundation? I don't know what else there would be for So the greatest engineer of all time makes the foundation gravity. That doesn't fit with this character. And here's the other one that I've mentioned to my friends when I'm trying to convince them. It's seems to me a pretty imp It's a fact that the biblical model is fat. The Israelites believe the earth

is flat with a dome. Every ancient civilization believed that that. I don't know how you could say that that isn't the truth. Okay, so this is the main viewpoint, and I think Yser even comes out kind of this point a little bit. God allowed them to believe that way because they weren't ready for the true nature of the universe. So the God of the universe allowed them to believe a lie forever, and then when we were ready, he kind of okay, well, this is really what the world's like.

Does that meet the character of God? Is he in the deception and falsity, and we're just not mature enough before he actually lied, he allows them to believe a lie that doesn't fit. No, that doesn't sound like him. That's not the god I worship. I don't know, that's my point on that one. Yeah. And like you were saying, all the ancient civilizations, and I use ancient loosely because a lot of people think that we're

so much smarter now today. Well, we may be more industrialized and technologically advanced, but the people we're more in touch with the world back in the day. And you're talking about the Mayans, the Navajos, the Inca's, Norse, Celtic, Chinese, Egyptians, Hebrews. They all knew that we were on a flat plane with the firmament over top of us. Go study ancient architecture and then tell me they were dumb, right, you know those

stones I can't pronounce a nameto, whatt coon or something. Yeah, And then Marzili has been there, these stones six feet wide, fitting like a glove with little handholders, handholds, it looks like in the side or something like that. Come on, it's like unbelievable architecture. And then they fit to the stars and are aligned, and the Great Pyramid of Egypt has never moved. Yeah, just amazing, amazing stuff. And then you know, Nephelim kind of fits in a thought. That's what I was just going to

ask you. I've heard a lot of people say that recently that the Nephelim because the Egyptian story doesn't really make any sense, right, that that seems fabricated, a mean, slaves, slaves building the pyramids. Oh well, as far as that, I've heard a lot of people say recently they believe the Nephelim were the ones who built the pyramids. I think so. I

think the Great Pyramids different. There's something about that. There's a book I have here that the author believes a great pyramid was built by Seth and an Enoch really down in that time. Yeah, the Great Pyramid has no hieroglyphics on it. It has encoded within it all kinds of mathematics, which is just amazing. It's still a line to true North. It seems like a

different type of pyramid and diverse that he uses. I don't I didn't do researching this for the interview, but sure there's a god set a sentinel or something at the edge of a certain area of land, and he uses that to say that that is probably the Great Pyramid, but I don't know it's it's it's possible. That's interesting. Yeah, I found I've been a little uh something from Sacred text dot com here about the Miracle Stone and the Great

Pyramids Seth and Enoch. That's interesting. I'll have to look into that. I got every time, I'll send it. I'll send you the look the book later. Yeah, that would be great, Thank you so much. Well so so I'd love to talk about songs chapter two, let's do it, Kase, why the lie right? And another one one? Another thing you like to ask is on before I forget. The reason I love your podcast so much right now is uh because it's people given their testimonies and their

stories. And I just love hearing everybody's story and everybody's testimony and when God's doing in their lives. Uh. To me, I just find that just so much fun. There's something very energizing about that. And then there's at verse rate they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony. So I think that's what's refreshing and I think that's what's going to keep this going as long as God wants it to, because you're not going to run it a story, s George, I know, trust me

him. I'm looking at my board the waiting list. There's a lot of people who want to tell their story. And it's obviously touching a lot of people the same way, like you said, because people want to come and give their testimony, and it's it's just great that every episode is a little different, and I've learned from every single episode. I've learned a little something from everyone, so it's been great. Yeah, I mean, we can

just encourage each other. Been so encouraged. I wish I could go back through all the episodes and just speak to everybody out there the things that they did that encourage me. Psalms too, Why does it escape me right now? Is it particular? Well? I call Psalms to the Oxyomatic chapter the whole Bible. I think all of human history hinges on this chapter. It starts with why do the heathen rage? And the people imagine a vain thing?

Yeah, exactly why do the heathen or why do the nations? I like to amplified, why do the nations assemble with commotion, and why do the people imagine an empty scheme? The kings of the earth take their places? And who are these kings? I wonder? The rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed one, saying, let us break their bands asunder and cast their chords from us. So fat earth, what are the chords? In order? The bands, operation, fish bowl, etcetera,

etcetera. Right there, all of human history, I think, I think we go, who are they? The chief religion on the other side is nastiss him, and even I think deeper than that is Kabbalah. And from my study, I think Cabala goes right back to Kane. Kane was the rebel right, and then the Mason's talk about two ball and a cane and all the things that emerge out of that and what they're learning, and I think Solomon probably put all of that together. But they are not.

They hate God. They hate him with every fiber of their being, and they hate his son and everything about him. And that's why they mock him, and that's why he's His name is a swear words. That's why when he comes back in revelation and all the Earth will see him. Is that the whole Earth points their weapons at him, and it's like here he is now, and this is what Lucifer is doing. I believe he's building Babbel two point er because Babbel two point one or one point oh didn't work very

well. So he's got a new plan, a new way. He's building another tower because he wants to break out. He's not willing to God loves judgment. He's not willing to have that narrow path that left and that right, that good and that bad. He wants chaos. He wants to do whatever the hell he wants, right, that's right. So yeah, nastissism. In nacissism, the creator of the world is a demi urge, and

the demi urge is a stupid god. He's an insane god. He's a bit of looped in the head and he doesn't really know what he's doing. And outside of him, beyond him, there's these better gods and these more glorious gods. And so they teach that if we can just have the right nosis, the right illumination, that we can actually get out and now do what we want, and we don't have to be constrained by this notion of good and evil, or man and woman that has been inflicted upon us.

So they conspire together, and the Lord in heaven laughs, and you shall cast him into derision. And and then it talks here, Yet have I anointed my king on my holy hill of Zion, which I think is the magnetic mountain, And I will declare the decree of the Lord. He said to me, you or my son, this day? Have I begotten? You? Ask of me, and I'll give you the nations as your inheritance, in the uttermost parts of the earth for your possession. So have you

ever, what is your opinion? George on For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son, How does the son get begotten? That's interesting, That's that's a hard question, it is, and I've had I've had email conversations with people that are very passionate about this particular subject. Right, if you look at the literary you know explanation for it, it is, you know, bringing a child into existence by the process of reproduction.

Right, but obviously you know that's you know, Jesus came through you know, a virgin vessel. Not uh, it wasn't produced as every other human being on this earth has been produced. And that's what's so amazing about the Bible. You could you could ask a hundred people to sit down and read a chapter and there's a chance you'll get fifty years, sixty different explanations on what it means to them and how it's read. Yeah, but there's

layers of onions. Right, we can going deeper and deeper amazing, but we need each other. We need each other on that point or else we get let off into delusion. Yes, sir, so, I I mean I I'm not convinced, but chewed on this a lot. What does it mean to be be gotten? And we were talking about it at home church of their day and debating this back and forth. I this is my theory, my working theory, right. I think the godden is when the God

had decided on this creation. There you have the Trinity. And I'm a firm believer in the Trinity for lots of good reasons. They're fully content in themselves, they're fully happy and fully at peace, but they're fully full of love, and love wants to share, and love wants to grow, and one wants to build and there's just this desire to have family and to share what they had to grow family. I mean that's kind of this desires in us too. I mean, it's so natural for humans to want children.

So what does it take for God to have children for them to become part of a perfect, holy, infinite God. You can't just I mean a lot of people to steery, like why does God allow evil in the world? Why does God do this? Why does I do that? You can't just make people and say okay, now you're part of the family. Because these created beings aren't They don't have the nature of God. And then you have you know, Adam and Eve and they fall right, So what does

it take for us to become part of that? I think, you know, the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world. There was an understanding of what would happen, so he was needed in order to have us, you know, for the joy set before him. He endured the cross, and that joy was us, That joy was his children. So we get this time and space thing where we fell and fall into sin. But he loved us so much he wasn't willing to abandon us. He

wasn't willing to let us go, so he came. But I think that's when the Begotten part. But it was a kind of a decision in the Godhead that Christ was going to be needed in order to to achieve this plan. I don't know, what do you think about it. It's quite viable explanation, it certainly is. And the Trinity, it's very interesting you mentioned

that that has been quite a hot topic recently. Yeah, that the podcast here, and I get dozens at emails and addition that I don't share on the air, But I will tell you that Michelle, who was a guest back in I think May, she wrote a substack recently that if I'll try to remember and put it in the show description, that she really hits it on the head about the explanation of the Trinity and the Godhead and the importance of it and not everything that we talk about it is in the Bible verbatim,

right, and she really explains it really well. Well, there's a few points I have in that Jesus said, it's deedful for you that I go away, because if I don't go away, I can't send the comforter. And he will lead you and he will teach you, and he will guide you, and he will be your advocate. And the word paraclet and

jer and Greek is just an amazing word. If you guys haven't gone out, look at the word periclet and then you're like study that word, like that's the Holy Spirit is to me, to us, So just just amazing.

And then the other thing I see about the teaching that there is no trinity is and what does Jesus become if there's no trinity, because usually at least the God being the Father and then sending this lesser being who's higher than us to earth, well, it seems to lend to a theology where Jesus is not equal to God, or it wasn't always equal to God, that the full divinity isn't there. But that's not biblical. We all know that. So it's pretty scriptural that Jesus is God, there's divinity is there.

We have the Holy Spirit and Jesus said he's going to send him to replace him. The Holy Spirit replaces Jesus for us. So those are two examples for me of how, yeah, we have it, we have a trinity. I had this thought the other day too, and again I'm not one hundred percent fixed on this one either. But and I really want to get into this before we end up here, what is the nature of who we are as people? Because we are entering into and this gets into rust isn't

our stuff? We are entering into the darkest time in history, Yes, undoubtedly, and we're we could get into like the transhumanism and the mk ultra stuff and rusted his star. He's like got millions of people out there who are demonized, and the church isn't ready. We are not ready for the amount of evil that is going to be unleashed on this world. Unvest We're starting to spend time with him and we start to understand our real spirit warfare

is Oh, I lost my thought? Why you try to remember? I just wanted to mention you really, Yeah, you hit something on the head just about two or three minutes ago. So parically it's translated as like you said, comforter or counselor. Also I think it translates as paracletos, And it is very interesting where it says the counselor or the paraclete is God, the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Trinity, who's been called by our side or called to our side, I should say, yeah, yeah,

it's a thick, thick word. Yeah it is. Well. So God made Adam out of the soil, He made him out of clay and dirty, and it says God breathing him numa his breath. That's spirit. So God's spirit entered into the clay, and it says, and Adam became a living soul. So we are body, soul and spirit, and this is this is huge and that really really want to encourage anybody who's sensing anything. You think this is into you study gg Member or It's earliest ages.

Jesse Penn Lewis, I'll send you atlant to her book to Watch My Knees, Latent Power of the Soul, and Andrew Murray The Spirit of Christ. All four of those authors get into spirit, soul, and body and what we are as people. And this gets into why does the dark side care? Why do they care about people? Why are they always on us? Why do they want to inhabit us? Why do they want to attack us? Where do they want to use us? What is this all about?

And Knees Watch him N's book The Latent Power of the Soul, I think is essential, absolutely essential reading for these times, and he actually says it in his book I had the quote here, Okay. He basically says that he feels that this is necessary information for spiritual warfare, and he uses the phrase at the end of the age. The feeling exists is that when Adam fell, there were certain powers that Adam had, He says, to have dominion over the earth, and he spends a lot of time talking about this

at latent part of the soul he had. He had to have certain abilities in order to have dominion over the earth. But when he fell, God didn't remove those abilities from him. He made them latent. He kind of capt them, He preserved them within us. Every religion on the earth tries to tap into these abilities, whether a whirling dervish or a guru or or any armistic there's this, there's this feeling this you go through rituals or whatever you need to do to buy I passed the body and get to the soul.

You know. The first one of the first skills in the New Age that you're trying that is often taught as astral projection. Oh you can astral project you can go anywhere. And the army actually teaches us they call it remote viewing, So what's what's going on there? What is that? These are what NI calls them soul power. He goes there tons of examples. He talks about people who can freeze water with their mind, people who can find hidden objects in a room, prophesy, even events in the future.

And I was always talking growing up these are just demonic powers, and there's some truth that there's some help. But NI basically says that these are soul powers. These are things that we can actually do and get into. But because the Bible says that our flesh is at enmity with God, our flesh hates God, that's where sin resides. It resides in these flesh, and that's when we when Jesus comes back, we're going to get new bodies. At the end of time, it's going to be the end of all flesh.

Those things, all the heavens and earth to get are wrapped up all the way and we're going to get it a different body because the sins are wrapped up in it. So right now where we are, sin resides in these bodies of flesh. And then when you're before you're born again, your spirit is dead nothing, and it's our spirit that communicates with God. That's where the communication realizes. It's our spirit to His spirit, and he says

that's where life comes from. Life has to come from His Spirit through our spirit to people. So we're not going to be able to help people if it's not spirit to spirit. But when we try to do things with soul, and that's where this prophetic movement in the church is so awry and so unhealthy and so demonic in my opinion, what's going on in these churches and Denotal gets into he wrote a book about it. And Andrew's Strom also wrote

a book Andrew Strom is in the prophetic movement. When he started, it's Kundalini, it's a it's the experiences are basically the same. There's demonic possession going on, you've got gold dust falling from the sky or even prophecy.

It's all soul. So needs premise of this book as this is that if we want to be a mature Christians, if we want to have an impact in the world today, if we want to do real spiritual warfare, we have to allow ourselves to die, to take up our cross daily, to allow ourselves to be pruned, to allow it to go through these times of pain and discomfort and suffering and allow God to do what he needs to do in us, so that every day we die, we die daily, we

die more, and we learn to walk in the spirit, with His spirit and everything that we do, because we're not going to be able to walk by the knowledge of good evil anymore, not with what's coming down the pipe, not with the a little evil that's happening. We're gonna have to know instantaneously exactly what God wants to do and be in constant communicating and practice that now. And what does that look like? And what does that feel like?

To in like a Frank bolotox, be a reservoir, not a canal, to be filled with Him all the time, and to be able to outflow from our reservoir out to wherever we go. So I I want to ask and encourage everybody, how much have you died today? How much you allowing your souls to die and allowing God to do his work in you. I think we try too hard sometimes, And when I was in home church,

I actually swore on once where right now? But we try too hard to do good, to change the world instead of just instead of just walking with God in the cool of the garden. How he wants us to Yeah, really well said, and I know I've meant it before. But the people who are trying to lead us away from God, they want you to believe that that Adam and Eve were the victim, and God had these people trapped and wanted the knowledge for himself. And it's everything is inverted. That's

why you look at the Freemasons or the Illuminati. They've got the black and white checkerboard floors. That's why they push trans that the trans agenda. Everything is inverted. A couple things in reflection of what you just said. I'll put this in the show description as well. Pastor Odel has a great series. I haven't caught part three yet. I hope to tonight or tomorrow. But it's an Eschatology, the Great End Time Delusion. The first two parts

were amazing. Part three drop last night. Please check them out. I'll put him in the show description. It's amazing how he is basically saying, hey, be aware because they're probably going to do a Project Blue Beam type of thing, and they want people. You know, when Jesus does come back to think that, you know, he's the bad guy and he talks about the pope. It's just really credible how he puts these things together, excuse me to together and delivers the message he's awesome. They hate him,

They hate him with a passion. Yeah yeah, So what do they want to do? Like how are they using us? Right? I look at virtual reality or are these our cell phones? Like you said, the constant goal is to that getting people to sin. The more they can get us to sin, the more power they have. Ye. So sin, sin breeds on sin, breeds on sin, which leads to iniquity. And if we the more we learn to forgive, Like look at Jesus and Stephen,

Father, forgive them the greatest sin in history. And Jesus's father, please forgive them. He took the power of that sin and he cut it right there. That sin was not able to move on and build up because he cut it right there. And that's what we all need to practice. I think that's one of the first rules of spiritual warfare. When when somebody hurts us we see hurt, we can forgive what's going on around us, somebody

that's where haunted. How's this coming from, by the way, you know, paranormal experiences, some great sin has been performed, and so the enemy comes in, is able to infest that place. You go in and you forgive that sin, you ask God to forgive it. That power is broken right there, right then, Yeah, and they don't hide it anymore, like I all we say right during during COVID, you know, all the mom and pop stores they were not essential, but your liquor stores and your

dispensaries remained open. And it's easier to find porn on your computer than it is any truth on flat earth because they're getting us to sin. That's a fact. Absolutely, Yeah. And virtual reality. What's the first thing people are doing in virtuality? They're making porn. They're making porn, a eyes porn, Jot Watts if it's just kind of but it's like West World, right, it doesn't matter what I do inside there, it's not. No,

you're sitting, that's right. You're gonna You're gonna go in this virtuality and sin. You don't think that's going to have an impact. No, you're building. You're building what Michael Lake likes to talk iniquity force, building up that iniquity force all around us. Indeed, Yeah, ten minutes left, I need to try to get down these last three things. Yeah. Number one is do you think the people that are on the world stage,

do you think they truly understand what they're getting into? And do they realize that while they may harvest the power here on earth, what awaits them at the end of the game. Which people exactly I'm talking to people who bend

their need of Satan and are given worldly goods. The people who run the world, the people at the top of the food change, whether it be the roth Child's, the Rockefeller that, the people who are obviously in Caho's with Satan, the people you know at the top that is encouraging all this eabil to happen. I don't I don't think Lucifer knows what he's got himself into. I'm convinced he's a father of lies. He's actually convinced himself that

he's deluded. He believes he can win, and he's convinced all his minions around him that they're going to win. So they're all walking in the delusion together. So I think I think these people at the talk they actually think, no, we're going to do it this time. Like I believe in this Internet, this tower Babble two point zero is that human beings like we are the bricks in the pyramid, like on the Great Seal of the United

States. Like the first European Union poster. If you watch that, the people or the bricks walking around, and in ancient times, they'll actually take babies and they put him in the bricks, you know, they sacrifice people and put him in the bricks of the wall. So we are the source. There's something matrix like about what's being built where our soul power becomes the energy behind what they're doing. So they actually think that, oh, this

is gonna this is going to be the right one. It's gonna work the side. We're going to break through and overthrow the god at the universe, like in the book A Sure right, they broke up into three different groups, and we're going to overthrow this and you guys gonna take on the angels indeed, And they're deluded, they're deluded, indeed. And there's also another poster that I recall when the European Union was that in the nineties when they

kind of started kicking things off. We're eighties nineties with a European Union. I think that was that was the eighties, I think eighties. There's also a poster I recall that had eleven stars. Eleven is a very powerful number to them, hence eleven, twenty two, sixty three, and nine eleven, but it's eleven stars. And then underneath of it something very very reminiscent of the Tower of Babbel being built. Oh probably, yeah, yeah,

they probably look at it with nostalgia, right, Nimrod. You know they almost succeeded. Let's do it again. Yeah. I do remember that German poster with the people being part of it as well. That's uh, I do recall that. Man, there was something else I wanted to say, Oh, George, come on, Oh, I know it's fits hard that I watched my train of thought several times. Do you want to talk a little bit about the numbers that you sent? I could just mention it if

you want. But they leave their signature, right, they leave their signature everywhere. We've probably all seen as meme about all the six six sixes and everything, and I just wanted to take some time to actually do the proof of where the six six sixes in the space math come from. So I put together a document and you can share in the links, and there's here six there or six everywhere, six six six. I think one of the

neatest things I found in there was nautical miles. I never really knew it nautical miles before, but a nautical mile, the math of it is based on the curvature or the Earth. I had no idea. So there's two numbers in there that are based on nautical miles. Once the speed of sound, and the speed of sound has to do with the temperature, and so when the temperature is sixty six point six degrees fahrenheit, then sound moves at sixty six hundred and sixty six knots, and a knot is based on a

nautical miles. Just you can't make this stuff up. It's just like holy moly. Indeed, and that that link will be in the show description as well. Folks, it's really interesting. Make sure you check that out. And you said, you know the tower, Babbel one point zero, the

people two point zero. Where does NASA fall in there? Do you think they're actually is that just simply a distraction or do you think there's a more nefarious use of NASA they're just propaganda arm Like what are they really accomplishing. They're just a propaganda arm to keep us deceived. The real power is going on behind the scene with the sin. Yeah, the more the more sin that happens, we all we all get the propaganda game, the Edward Burneese

thing that's going on, to the sheep, the lemmings. It's just a world of lies we love. Yeah, you know, like the flat earth being a chief conspiracy. It's just like when when we get that and everything is just like everything is a lie. I want to know truth. Truth as a name, and his name is Jesus. Amen. Let's close for these last few minutes. Tell us a little bit about your home school and kind of what you're using for curriculum, and have you implemented flat earth into

it? No, not yet. If anybody out there wants to work with me on a flat earth curriculum, I would love to do. That might be a long project, but it would be collaborative and that would be a

ton of fun. I would really really enjoy that. I would probably use a Charlotte Mason type method where we have a bunch of living books, which we've mentioned already, and then kind of spring off it there and try to develop some because the great thing about flat Earth is a science is so simple and it can all be done in your in your home, So that would be that would be neat. Homeschooling is a whole another great conversation we go

on for hours. My hero is John Taylor Gotto. John Taylor Gotto wrote a book called The Underground History of Education in America, and it gets into a ton of these subjects. But it's the best way to educate. It's the best to be homeschool all our girls. I tried homeschooling my adopted son, but he just wouldn't stand for it. He's way too social. So we had to let that one go. So at homeschool after school hours did

I did answer all the questions on that absolutely. By the way, John Taylor Gatto, that guy has more education than I think everybody in my town here. He went to so many college super smart guy, super smart guy, so much fun to listen to, so much information. Yeah, I think he's big on and he doesn't beat around the bush either. He comes out and says they're dumbing you down. They're not educating you, they're literally dumbing you down. Yep. He wrote a book called Dumbing us down.

Yeah, that's right, that's right. Just go take a book John Taylor gotta quotes and just read his quotes for a while. It's great. Ten minutes awesome. This has been a tremendous, tremendous ninety minutes. And I want to thank you so much for your time and your reflection and sharing your story. And I just want to give you the platform here for the last few minutes to kind of close out with anything you'd like to say. No, thanks, thanks for talking. We wish we could sit down for a

coffee sometime. I just want to encourage everybody to like, it's all about Jesus. He's the beginning, he's the end, he's the middle, he's the front, he's a cornerstone. All things are made through him, by him and for him, And that's what this thing that we're all living here is all about. It's it's for him. At the end of time,

all every eye is going to see him. And you know that day I want to be able to look up and have my arms out wide and and say I want him to look at me and say well done, good and faithful servant. So everything is going on around us, it's because they hate him so much, they just despise him. So please read Late and Power of the Soul. It will change the way you look at the way you

live your life every day. Practice walking in the spirit, be able to step back when when things get tense and conflict and you're going to get angry or you feel stuff, have you know going down, step back in your mind and your heart and say, is his soul or is a spirit? And there's a verse that says that the Word of God divides between soul and spirit. Never understood that before, But we need to understand what a soul soul is going to need to stand or what a spirit spirit is going to

need the life. So as we walk in our day and we move forward, and God builds his kingdom all around us. The way he builds his kingdom isn't the way that we think he should build his kingdom. It doesn't look like we think. It's kind of secret, it's kind of underground, it's kind of subversive. It's way softer and gentler than the way we think

kingdom should be built. So let's all just practice walking with him and and see what that looks like, and be a reservoir and not a canal amen be a reservoir and not a came out well, said my friend, and it was really great to meet you. Yes, that's Frank Bola. That's I mean still, it's it's it's it's it's great and it resonates well and I'm sure with a lot of people. Again, thank you so much for

your time. And I know you're a busy guy and to be able to take the time out and share your knowledge and your story, your journey that will certainly resonate with everyone else. I greatly appreciate it. And thank you to everyone. I wanted to throw this out there real quick, to everyone who has been a part of this who's come on for an interview, I want to thank you all so very much for really making this podcast what it is. But I do I was thinking I would like episode one hundred to

kind of be like a best of. So if you were on this podcast, like Darren is Today or let's say you're I'm just pulling this out here

Steve from episode twenty eight. If there's a particular part of the interview that really resonates you think that was very important to the folks, just send me an email say hey, it's so and so from episode twenty eight and just give me the little the time, like around the twenty three minute mark I said this, and I'll go back and I'll grab the audio from it just a few minutes from everybody who's been on here, and I want to kind

of put together like a best of podcast for episode one hundred. So you know, we'll take a little bit of audio from everyone, we'll put it together, and we'll release it kind of a as a celebration and as a thank you to everyone who's been on this show. So don't forget do that. Just send it to the flat Earth Files at gmail dot com and then the show description just put episode one hundred or something like that, so I make sure I give it priority because we're coming up on it pretty soon.

So thank you everyone, and again, thank you Darren so much for your time. I'm George God bless everyone. Have a wonderful week. And until the next time we meet, my friends, we will see. Uh. You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network, Just the Facts. Mammy